The pre-combine version of Weekly Cheddar is here! We’ll talk prospects that could “rise”, who could have big weeks, and who could exit with questions.

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What’s going on everybody welcome back to weekly cheddar J sh here with you guys new day it’s a Wednesday that we’re uh putting on the show which is a little change of pace do a little curveball this week that’s because it’s combine week and I think that we’re likely going

To have reaction shows every day uh once the combine finishes so that’s something to look forward to as well uh today I figured we’d kind of go through a little bit of a preview uh talked about it a little bit on the Pod for the pack listeners but it it’s we’re mostly going

To talk about some risers at Packer specific positions but we can obviously talk about other things as well we’re going to leave the the kind of the Q&A open of course as we always do here uh other than that you know we’ll probably do a mock draft kind of wrap

The show up in a bit but we’ll start you know with with kind of the combine and and and some previews and and also talk about goody comments as well because I see Mitch drop something in here but Peter Stone is here hello Peter how we doing

Asks so Jake out of all the players in the combine which you think will show out and surprise everyone and raise their draft stock the most it’s a good question I I think there there’s a lot of major players I think a lot of people should

Be expecting the Penn State guys to be you know lights out both of the edge rushers uh chop Robinson and Adis Isaac I don’t think anybody’s going to be surprised there I think the three that jump out immediately are Isaac gendo from l Louisville the running back uh

Former Badger some may remember him uh in the Wisconsin circles but I I think he’s going to be you know I think around the low four fours and the 40 I think he’s just going to probably look tremendous in most of what he’s going to

Do um this weekend so I expect him to take a a big jump at least in the media’s eyes I’m I’m sure NFL teams are already well aware and probably are expecting gandoo to test really well uh other than him yeah I think I think Jaylen Ford

From Texas the linebacker is another one worth mentioning as one of the big like quote unquote risers uh you know I I think we’ll we’ll see it in the media more so than anything else other than that uh you know it’s it’s possible uh that we see someone like

Kitano adopo from Oregon State jump well run well enough enough and he kind of elevates himself in the safety conversation trying to think who else you know that that probably we’re going to talk about at some point tonight that’s not going to you know but to try

To pick a few to jump way off the radar and back in Andrew Phillips had a nice Senior Bowl for Kentucky that’s another one at corner there’s some talk about expecting low four fours from him you know he’s big he’s physical uh and that could kind of really complete his

Process with a nice combine there um yeah I would I would lean those guys uh we’re definitely going to obviously talk about a few others here over the next several minutes as well uh yeah um I saw this from Mitch yeah it says Brian gakin was trolling Jake today

By say he’s opening he’s opening to drafting a wide receiver how about tooran Clark on day three that’s not a bad idea uh dor and Clark had about you know very similar 2021 20 22 Seasons uh I think he had like three snaps in 2023 uh which is tough for him but PFF

Liked the last two years from him especially uh you know he plays a bunch out wide around 90% of his snaps you know I 14ish yards per reception I I like that I think he’s you know somebody that could be interesting there I I’m still not unconvinced um that you know

Brian Thomas at 25 Keon Coleman at 41 like guys that goody wouldn’t even would would potentially consider uh that feels that feels very doable um but yeah I’m I’m I’m excited to see uh to see if that happens uh because you know they could still swing

On day three I think they have 11 picks at the moment seems like something that that um that goody could do just to do it like you know best player available you like a lot of receivers they’re not going to not Scout receiver at all right

Like that’s uh you know they’re going to be still on that you know anything could happen in the league right so yeah maybe maybe tooran Clark Omare says hello what’s going on Preston is back yes he is six years someone mentioned it earlier today and I thought it was a

Really good point it was it was somebody going like how long do free agents you know stick around for like six years you know extending past their their potential original deal like that’s that’s not that’s not very common so that’s that’s cool that Preston is back I

Think maybe softens The Edge rusher need a little bit the defensive end need but I don’t think a ton um because I think you’re still looking at the the the fact that you know if if goody finds somebody he likes in this class who you know maybe can play multiple positions is

That a wink wink at Darius Robinson yes of course it is and go from there and say okay like this you know this is a guy we’re going to have around for a long time you know for for this defensive line and I I still wouldn’t rule it out

Sounds good Omare uh hope to see you in the comments um later for sure I knew Peter was gonna bring up Malik Mustafa there’s there’s no way I know Ian Cummings was uh did his film I think earlier this week and was really impressed thinks he might be a top five

Safety in the class uh I I think yeah I don’t I don’t see why not I think there’s there are always guys who kind of jump on the radar with with really really good combines um you know some as far as Mustafa goes like guys like you know mention it with

Gendo mentioned it with Jaylen Ford like go those guys have good film and so guys are going to bring you know come back to that with with good testing they’re like oh wow that’s you know impressive and then there’ll be guys who test out of their minds and the film isn’t good I

Remember very very well last year did a mock draft um and in the comments someone was like you know would you consider Bryce for wheat it all he had a tremendous combine and I’m just like no cuz the film wasn’t very good like they’re going to be those guys they’re

Going to be those guys every year every year those guys that are testing really really well the film isn’t good and it’s like he you know track and field perhaps is is the way is the way to go so yeah I I Peter I do think uh Malik Mustafa

Could have a big combine n has to check out for Clark yes the medical part of this process is going to be important uh for several guys uh we’ll get to that in a moment as well om says he’s going to draft a QB bet on it I I would agree I

Think they need to I think they need to draft a QB I do not think their backup’s good enough uh to come in and play meaning Mr sea Clifford uh so I’m I’m good with that Adam seems hyped about combine times this yeah it’s a great

Week gonna have a lot of fun um as I said reaction shows I think we’re going to be pretty much Set uh every evening um after uh all the stuff is finished for the day yeah Mark zambo hello says is there a QB late that you think Green Bay would

Be interested in well if they like somebody like if they like somebody like Clifford was interesting I didn’t expect them to like someone like Clifford that would that could potentially open the door for a guy like Sam Hartman from from from NRE Dame um I would rather see them get Michael Pratt from

Tain I don’t know where he’s going to end up going might be more of that third fourth round range for a guy like Pratt uh but I’d be willing to go that direction I think that’s the player I want as the backup in greay right now if

I if I had the if I had the option to pick that would be my guy right now so yeah that’s that’s what I would say Mark yeah I don’t think he’s I I don’t think he’s a late round QB I think he a good mid- round QB where you know you

Spend enough that’s that’s a good enough resource to spend it’s backup QB is extremely important you got to have a guy just in case who can come in and and be able to kind of just steer the ship at least a little bit right and have help steering the ship

So see Adam wants to see how all these big wide receivers run the three cone on Saturday yeah that’s going to be interesting I think I I’ll throw it out there three cone Champion for wide receiver uh to me I think would be Jaylen McMillan from uh from Washington I think Roman Wilson

Could be in that conversation as well but I I just McMillan I I think could could far away Crush everybody uh in the three cone so uh WM says how much have they saved now via restructures of Smith and Gary I believe it also was I think it was

Rashad and Gary yes pretty sure so I think it was what Prestons was around two 2 point what was it 2.4 now I gotta find it I gotta make sure if anybody’s got the number let me know that’s that’s that’s not I wasn’t you know that’s okay it was a $2.4

Million pay cut for for um Preston Smith that’s nice Gary’s was like what two to four million right something like that right that’s what it was 4.78 for for uh for Gary so yeah so around around 6ish million which is or 7 million which is you know it’s not nothing not nothing

Is it is around nine it’s around nine okay that’s that’s good yeah because I see everybody reporting that Gary frees up 4.78 so if Preston frees up more than his 2.4 million do pay cut nice that’ll play that’ll play um so let’s see here so yes

Um yeah I mean I don’t think there were a lot of QBs left right yeah I think they only had that was their only draftable QB left potentially on the board maybe it be a bit more proactive uh but obviously that draft I don’t think there was as many names as this

One where there are there’s I think this this draft there’s more backup potential so I think this is a nice point right here that they didn’t have to spend money on a Joe Flaco to come back and play right so that’s yeah Mitch says if you’re going to swing at linebacker

Wilson is the guy assuming you mean pton Wilson which yes I pton Wilson I to me at least I think he can make the linebacker room a little more more versatile right I think there’s a chance Wilson could be the Sam and kind of be

The Mike as well and maybe you like him off the ball running as a will linebacker too yeah I I think will Wilson’s biggest hurdle he’s going to have to clear is injury stuff this week what are the doctors at the combine going to see from him for injuries obviously he’s 24 years

Old Green Bay hasn’t traditionally gone that route with a player that’s 24 and and had injuries right Devonte Wyatt was nearly 24 I believe obviously it’s a first route pick so it’s not that they haven’t gone that route but adding the injury quotient to it and and you know

It it could be uh it could be a guy who’s who’s not on their board I would I would like to have him though I think Wilson is a a good Prospect at the linebacker position I think a lot of the the linebackers unless unless Cooper’s ready to roll and

He tests really really well I don’t know if we’re going to see a lot of guys go very early there might be maybe one in the top 50 right there you go Brian has some inside info right here Green Bay has interest in Malik Mustafa sounds

Like sounds like the film room should be going up on the channel next week that sound good all right we’ll do do that um yeah yeah it’s a good point by WM here there was only a couple left for Green Bay to take there’s no doubt yeah I I think you

Know but we gota they they’re gonna have to and goody has mentioned it I think they’re GNA have to upgrade there and then that’s nice that they had Clifford for a year and they didn’t need him uh but you never know year to year so Mitch

Says Rattler and Green Bay would be fun yeah lot of armed Talent there um feels like another guy that’s in that camp of like a you know not an immediate starter but a potential starter down the line where enough arm Talent there aggressive but not too aggressive I think he’s kind

Of refined his game a lot better I still think he has work to do at determining you know where to go with the football against more disguised Zone coverage I I think if there’s any pre-to post Snap movement I I think he struggles seeing what how the picture changes but like in

Terms of armed talent development and what you could get out of a player like Spencer Rattler who apparently has matured as well that’s I wouldn’t be mad at it either what do you think of Carter Bradley you know I didn’t I actually thought that the uh the Senior Bowl it

It wasn’t too bad I I had no expectations with a player like Carter Bradley when the Senior Bowl started and so I was like oh you know we’ll see um we will see uh what he’s got if he’s got any juice playing QB I didn’t I wasn’t I wasn’t I wasn’t like

Unimpressed or anything like that with him I think relative to where my expectations were was with zero I think it was at the very least intriguing he wasn’t he didn’t look out of place with with guys like Rattler and Milton and Pratt on his team so yeah Carter

Bradley’s another potential uh day three guy there’s no doubt um Jack plumber’s an interesting guest from Adam there at as a day3 QB I would prefer Bradley I think it sounds like Brianwood as well saying plumber’s okay Bradley’s interesting for sure and don’t there’s not a lot of South Alabama tape

In hand so he’d be a good guid for me to scr around and see what we can find there um yes so Smitty what’s going on um thing is pton Wilson is a Steeler that’s fair that’s fair you want pton W it’s interesting pton Wilson if you look at like because

There’s a lot of you know differing sites and in differing mock DFT simulators with pton Wilson you’ll see him you’ll see it kind of all over the map pton Wilson has moved way way up pff’s board on the simulator he’s like in the late 20s early 30s so that’s I

Don’t know if they know anything or they’re just ranking him that high but like that’s you know that’s it’s noteworthy um but pton Wilson yeah heck of a player I I if Green Bay Waits Waits and waits and waits and waits at linebacker I’m still in the

Camp of like there are guys like cedri gray of course but the Jaylen Ford from Texas who I think is gonna have a nice combine uh Darius muasa muasa from uh from UCLA Brian uh turned me um got me on to to to him from UCLA so I think

They’re going to have options later in the draft I don’t think they necessarily have to force the issue I know a lot of people are going to be pining for linebacker a lot of people are going to be pining for running back you don’t

Have to be the first one to take if you don’t love love the player like you do not have to be first and I’m I’m hoping Green Bay’s not first at running back um Peter says do you know when they reveal the Heights and weights yeah that’ll be tomorrow um yeah it should

Yeah it Adam put it right here should be early tomorrow you should get pretty much everything from yeah Charles Robinson will be the on yeah and and you should be getting everything from you know the guys that day I can’t try to think of who uh who’s first tomorrow is

At front 7 yeah I think dline linebacker which uh we don’t want to get into all of that right we don’t need to get into the position designations that they do down here but um yeah that’s uh yeah and then that’s a good one uh Nathaniel bookie Watson from uh Mississippi States

Another pretty good player I yeah there’s going to be just a lot you’re you’re going to have to kind of Wade through the day three linebackers and try to find and just do your best to figure out who’s going to be the best from the bunch because there I think

There will be starters in this linebacker class even though it’s not it’s pretty much on the lower end of of positional like um how you’d rank the positions in this draft right like I think it’s we already mentioned it probably one in the top 50 50 uh so but there will be

Starters but Watson’s another one PFF pff’s got him way way down which I think is kind of strange so yeah um but yes yeah so we’ll have they’ll have everything tomorrow it’ll be rolling out pretty quick um yeah like like Adam said Charles Robinson just

Sends and sends and sends them out uh so yeah that’ll be it’ll be great I’m I’m excited um I’m going to be on the golf course tomorrow um GNA be on the golf course tomorrow early and then uh should be have should be having that on uh for

The afternoon when we get uh all the times and all that so G to be interesting with with a lot of the edge rushers in the three cone times so that’ll be fun to watch we’ll get uh you know everybody’s new favorite guy um Darius Robinson uh should be getting

Stuff from him tandre sweat’s going to run tomorrow I know tandre sweat’s got you know high expectations from what he’s talked about about the 40 so that’ll be exciting uh obviously uh Johnny Newton is not participating in any of that which stinks but um yeah I

Think it’ll be uh I think it’ll be exciting uh even with a couple guys opting out which again a lot of the top guys I kind of understand we were kind of we’re kind of like looking like okay could you know um could we have this be

More common a couple years ago they were talking about like you know could the could the pack uh the top prospects just say forget about it we’re not we’re not going to run and you’re kind of getting that so it it is what it is um yeah oh

Yes Brian you found Taylor demerson against TCU it’s a good stuff that is the good stuff there’s no doubt yeah Watson nice tackler I think he does a lot well and he he’s like two six 2 and E 244 pounds at linebacker so big time Big Time at the position so

I he’s he’s in that kind of mold to play potential Mike Sam linebacker so yeah um Clayton appreciate you uh everyone hitting that like button uh you know after this or you know you could have Clayton’s stream and my stream on at the same time uh when he starts up in

About what five minutes or so I don’t know why can’t the Steelers spend high at linebacker Smitty I don’t doesn’t seem like uh seem like a bad idea seems like I mean you guys Smitty you guys gotta be going jpj at 20 if he’s there no that’s got to be it’s got

To be locked and loaded if he’s available you gonna go is it going to be offensive line first two picks though is is Andy widle going to be really in the ear uh all draft long that’s what I I’m excited to see that for Pittsburgh yeah alilio it’s going to be

It’s gon to be a good one tomorrow also hope you’re doing well amilio it’s uh we’re playing stream song tomorrow so um that’s uh it’s gonna be fun it’s one of the best uh best of the best apparently in Florida um excited to see

It gonna do a lot of uh camera work and film work down there too so that should be fun um but yeah yeah it’s a new background it’s unfort temporary Amelia uh because it’s a it’s a vacation background um but uh yeah I I like it I

Think it’s cool we’ll see some people you know it it could be a divisive topic whether you like you know Harry Potter or not but um yeah so let’s keep it rolling here uh Mitch says do you think the positions of running back safety and linebacker are devalued in part because the players

Generally don’t have long careers positionally yeah you’ve definitely seen some you’ve definitely seen some of even the top linebackers kind of call it quits after about eight nine years right you Keeley didn’t last as long as we’d hoped Patrick Willis didn’t stay in the game as long as we’d

Hoped take a lot of punishment at the position especially linebacker and running back and and safety I think it’s just safety is a difficult position to play you there are times where you have to wear many hats there’s a time where you have to be elite in one hat and it’s

Very difficult and it’s why usually you don’t see the top safeties move around a lot because you know they’re the top guys are valuable enough to you know command top dollar and and are often needed with what the team X is running it was kind of surprising to see Bates

Let go uh by the Bengals and and obviously he is you know kind of maybe the exception to the rule a little bit where he’s been just a dominant single high player um and that’s maybe kind of what we’re looking for a little bit um in for this scheme maybe you know

Green Bay kind of looking for like okay can we find that that single high stud that’s you know instinctive you know good ball skills enough range enough athleticism to make Blaze and that’s you know they’re going to be maybe they’re searching far and why they you know

Maybe it’ll end up being darell Savage that they bring back it’s always fun but yeah I think the best safeties are are going to be valued a lot highly than just a start just kind of like a a baseline starter so like a lot of the Baseline starters

You know you can think of like yeah probably can find them a little bit later I do think with the with as much cordage coverage that is played right now I feel like it’s still I think it’s more valuable than maybe you know it’s presented just because there’s a lot of

Of responsibility and knowing what to do when there’s three receivers your side versus two and you know when do you have to kind of turn your attention even as like a kind of a backside safety to to the strong side of the play where do you you know what’s your responsibility

There’s a lot going on and so like processing ability and and you know just general reliability I think batters on the back end right in in this era of preventing explosive plays so you know I don’t know if the League’s on board with that necessarily I remember Ben solak writing about Kyle

Hamilton a couple years ago and and how should be valued a lot I I I completely agreed with that I Hamilton was incredible um and is incredible so yeah but I I do think running back and linebacker is tough because you take just a ton of punishment

So Adam says can we have the tandre sweat conversation don’t see how he fits at all with Green Bay either predictively or new defensive system wise want penetration yeah doesn’t seem like sweat strength yeah I mean I I just think yeah he is and Brian points this

Out well he’s way over their thresholds now that they you know have they broken the and and strained the thresholds and kind of reamed in that tension of the thresholds at times yeah absolutely uh it just feels like we’re going to get a we’re getting a weighin number tomorrow

Assumedly with with tandre sweat and for me I don’t I know there’s like there there was a 346 floating around out there seems more likely closer to 360 than that than that I know Green Bay’s gone 330 with TJ Slayton that seemed more like a pick to

Be like okay this is the defense if they’re we’re going to have Five Guys on the line quote unquote and and we need him to be the nose tackle sure I assume in the 4-3 they could use that but if they want somebody who’s going to maybe

Shade one and do a little more a few different things maybe they think Kenny Clark’s just going to be doing that so you know I I don’t know I I’m I’m torn because I think I understand wanting a player like that who can take on multiple blockers but at

The same time I think there’s guys that at 315 and 320 that should be able to handle some of the duties of a one Tech of a you know of you know shading one and and being that kind of more nose tackle than trying to go way way up

There and find the next vitao which is is not easy task so Steelers do have miles Jack yes yes they do but uh they could always use help there at linebacker that’s fair Peter yeah I I Clayton is obviously starting um so yeah bounce back and forth away should be fun

Um yeah oh yeah Mark sorry I did I saw this comment and I meant to click on it uh yeah lerus Sneed was is is a tag um obviously Chiefs give him the franchise tag and and sounds like they’re letting him explore options for a trade I don’t

Know if I’d want to be paying top taller necessarily with where greenbase cap situation currently sits I would rather do it I would rather trade for him than T Higgins obviously which was floated out there you know a couple days ago which I thought was

Funny um but yeah I mean I think he’s going to have suitors with more cap space um you know I’m I sure that there will be contenders who go after him Philly might go after him you know even though they’ve got their own thing to clean up Detroit obviously has that need

At at corner at outside corner that we tried that we tried to explain last year I I they just they ignored it um could have had jpj at 18 didn’t want him uh didn’t want Gonzalez hey you know is what it is um it’s fine by me they

Missed out on all those guys works for me if they want to if they want to not do it again that’s also fine um but yeah I think there will be a lot of suitors could Green Bay be one of them maybe I would rather see what what we

Got in a quinan Mitchell per se uh than a um than a lerus s but I get you know floating that out there is a possibility so Ian asks how can the Bears ruin Caleb Williams since we know it’s automatic well if we know it’s automatic we should

Already know how no but I think the way that it happens is probably the the the way that Williams doesn’t work out in the league is that he leans he leans too heavily on the offs script stuff and at some point defenses you know are going

To work contain and and you know find a way to kind of push the pocket internally to the point where he just hasn’t have a lot of avenues he needs to be able to continue to develop and play Within Rhythm within structure of an offense um and I think if the the way

They ruin him especially is if they don’t have a good offensive line in front of them right that’s another big part of the equation I think you have to work to build a complete offense for any Young quarterback right that should always be the goal so I I the the Caleb Williams faltering

Stuff to me is more about the onfield he plays a little bit like 12 plays where it’s just kind of like I like being in scramble mode I like moving around and throwing it all over the yard in that regard rather than you know kind of working through a two three per three

Player concept and and that stuff can get you in trouble it got Rogers in trouble for certain stretches of his career and that’s where K that’s that’s the downfall for Caleb Williams if that happens so sweat weigh in guess Brian says Adam says guess sweats weigh in I think it’ll

Be like 358 that’s my not number um yeah 346 was in the spring there you go over under 350 give me over 350 says Adam yeah I’m I’m in that camp as well I think it’s I’m gonna go 358 that’s my guess um oh yeah okay WM say SO trading way

Devonte got us Quay and Watson yep at least partially got us Watson yeah it was crucial Rogers got us Musgrave and to be determined at 41 Su gets us to be determined at 91 Goody’s doing yeah Goody’s he’s doing a nice job I I think

I think it was fair to be critical and to wonder if he was uh not the best GM right when at probably after 2021 right when that draft was kind of pushing through and pushing through and you go okay Stokes you know isn’t working out with

Stokes as Myers kind of iffy the trade up forari Rogers didn’t work so after 2021 I think there was a legitimate question about goody I think he has found the stride The Scouting department has found their stride I’m excited to see who it is at

41 and 91 for sure five picks in the top 91 is sick um and who knows I I think that a very real possibility Green Bay trades back from 25 and then moves up from 58 right in something like that where they’ll have three second round

Picks uh and we we have to wait until uh until Friday to to hear who’s going to be the first Packer selected so um is is sweat related to Montes and Josh no I don’t believe so and Brian is confirming no relation there m just it’s not a matter of how

Bears will ruin him it will be when yeah it’s possible I think someone pointed out that was really good to me was they go they’re doing the same thing they did when they drafted Fields right it was kind of they you know they um they’re keeping the coach who has

Already just not figured it out right to this point they’re keeping the coach and then they’re drafting the first ukq after you know basically you know kind of gutting other parts of the the staff and the roster and so it’s kind of like a a cyclical move here um three years later

Where trabis is out you know Fields is in and now Fields out Caleb in it’ll be interesting be interesting Twitter might burn but like if there’s a if there’s a chance right if you’re the Packers and like the corners are gone and Darius Robinson’s gone and maybe you think

Nuben and maybe you have the Intel nuan’s going to be going later than than people are projecting perhaps and so then you start to get to a point where like okay best player available we’ve got a lot of guys sitting here that we like we’ll move back move up you

Know get ourselves picks like I don’t know 34 um 41 and like 48 right and have three picks in the top 50 you know could be uh could be nice Twitter might burn but the ball knowers will will love it so especially if they pick up like picks next year on day too

That’d be kind of sick right yeah wmi great I mean I mean I don’t yeah they they continue to do this and it’s it’s not working it’s almost like kind of you know Mike Daniels was talking about like you know for Green Bay’s defense it’s just like they’ve changed Personnel they’ve changed

Coaches you know they’ve changed head coaches like it continues to be a problem the defense just really just cannot find cannot figure it out Chicago might be the same way like offensively right like they just cannot figure it out no matter what they do so there you go um

Um yeah why not have all 32 seconds somehow that’d be kind of sick I know where you’re going with this Brian that was a good one um okay so really quick as we’re rolling through this kind of finishing of the Finishing Touch of the combine preview portion

Here um couple quick things I mentioned gandoo already is like the running back who could take the massive step I’m sure Jaylen Wright’s going to have a lot more fans uh next week than than he does at the moment uh because we’re going to get potentially a really nice 40 time and

The obviously the GPS tracking already really likes him he’s clocked over 23 miles per hour so I I imagine he will be um very very popular name for Green Bay maybe even at like 58 it might get to that point in mock drafts after Jaylen Wright runs wouldn’t wouldn’t put it past uh

The mock drafters for that um so yeah I think the running backs are those two to watch there there’s plenty more of course I mean a lot of people are very excited to see what what Blake km’s gonna do I think he’s Brian he’s 5 seven and an eighth right because I saw

An over under for him at 57 and I really wanted I was really tempted to comment like I’m pretty sure he’s 5 seven and an eighth and uh it will be over um yeah there’s excitement for corm obviously Trey Benson that was going to be fun

Right he’s a home run at running back um so okay it is it is f it’s five seven and eight nice so there you go uh if there’s a if there’s a uh if there are props out there for the combine and like one of them’s over under corum’s height

At 5’7 take the over you should be you should be winning um there’s another one ese yeah like how good are the speed scores going to look at running back for a lot of these guys a lot of the bigger guys right brillan Allen right the same

Thing so yeah oh it’s 38s oh 5 seven and 38s well there you go even even even better clearing it uh clearing the over under 57 yeah I don’t think it’s 40 times as much as speed score I think is interesting to look at for running backs but really for running

Backs it just seems like do you have can you make people Miss on your own do you have a good processing skill set between the tackles and do you are you instinctual and reactive uh to things breaking down between the tackles and in space like can you create

Is a big part of playing it uh not necessarily just being fast um so there there’s a lot going on with that but I also think like you know the fundamental part of pass blocking like when when when guys are coming out in the draft and they can

Already basically prove to you that they they good pass blockers like that’s a really nice um a really nice Baseline of you know can this guy play right away like guys who did that last year Roshan Johnson was insanely good at the Senior Bowl with pass blocking stuff and Tai J

Spears was really good at it too Tai J Spears they had him coming out there you know week one not getting a lot of snaps but he’s out there week one pass blocking against the Saints defensive front uh in their front seven with blitzing linebackers in a game they had

A chance to win already like think that is that is something else when when you have a rookie coming in that quickly balance and vision are obviously two I think big parts of creation right can you create in certain scenarios when you’re presented with conflict conflict being you know Defenders leverage to the

Outside you know can I find a backside cutting Lane right is you know am I one-on-one am I just tasked to win how can I win can I win with the last Lal Quicks right can I win with an explosive cut or to like to to get past somebody

Or can I prove that I can drop the pads while at contact you know have a really good center of gravity once you’re being presented with contact to get through it there there’s so much I think that you know you could boil it down to Creation basically and for yourself uh through

Contact in space so a lot of that a lot of that and I think vision vision is some I think vision is kind of always when you look at like scouting reports Vision the guys just say he’s got good Vision they SLA a tag on them and I feel

Like that just always gets like slapped on everybody’s scotting reporter is like good vision for running back good patience for a running back as if like what what’s Patience mean though right is he patient in terms of like okay like impatient in terms of like Gap scheme where he’s like all

Right I’m letting you know I’m staying behind this pulling guard and I’m you know keeping away from like Defenders finding me back there um my patient in you know the way I step laterally right to kind of let blocks set up right and my patient in in my ability to kind of

Wait for an outside Lane in Duo to open up like because I’m pressing the line of scrimmage right IA Blake Corum um but yeah I think vision is something vision and Patience are just thrown out there without a lot of like in detailed looks at what those are so

Uh somebody said something up here I thought yeah WM said I think goody will want that fifth year option with the first unless someone offers him a hall the move back yeah if it’s a younger player right like say it’s a Byron Murphy from Texas where he’s like 20

Years old 21 years old and you want that that fifth year sure absolutely um but also like you know it’s also cheaper move back seven spots uh and and get that um get that guy from for a little bit cheaper as well so it it is what it is the first round

Pick trade out or or stay and pick I won’t be mad either way um this that’s a great that’s a good ability to have for sure it’s not necessarily one that’s a primary one Adam but I like it but I like it Brian’s already tossing out his

Day three Sleepers for Jordan Waters so there you go um WM says he might double up meaning goody on safety and running back grab a highend running back at the top 100 and then one in the later rounds find a Pacho Keat and Mitchell I think you just

Find two Pacho Keat and Mitchells to be honest that’s what I I’d rather do that I would rather get a gendo from Louisville and a rashen Ali from Marshall uh or maybe a Carson steel right I’d rather go that route than than than being one of the first to take a

Running back in this class because I think there’s I I think I’m like I might be on an island with the take for one of the running backs and that’s fine I’ll be on the island with the take um I think just some of the top guys could easily get

Passed by some of the uh some of the guys drafted on day three because I think might be over inflating a few of the top guys quote unquote top guys in the draft are running back right now so but I have no doubling up at safety should

Be it should be a requirement for gy to leave the draft with multiple safeties if he does we’re going to be sitting here frustrated again I feel like we’ve been frustrated for years that goody has not addressed safety so goody likes to double up yes he is

Very prone to to doubling up at positions So Adam asks does goody draft more safety safey linebackers or Corners with his 11 picks it’s a good question uh I mean if it were me it’ be safety probably um boy you think he’s GNA draft so it’s

Like Adam you think he might draft like three linebackers because that’s I mean the most if you’re going to say the most of the three I think like safety’s probably going to be two at least Corner could easily be two if he finds a slot Corner that he likes a lot

Like you’re telling me linebacker might be three wow wow wow I mean it maybe maybe I would say I’m gonna lean safety I think I lean safety but I I understand linebacker especially if like Green Bay kind of out on bringing bringing um Wilson not bringing Wilson back and

Maybe they’re cutting Campbell and that like opens the door up for more line linebackers but man like that would be a lot they need six linebackers we need six that’s a lot we need six yeah last year’s safeties weren’t the best no not great not ideal but

2022 safeties were were pretty decent um especially at the top and there was um then seem like there was any attempt made to go after that so uh yeah I think I think I could see two linebackers as well oh oh six linebackers for the roster I see yeah that’s possible I just

A wonder I I I don’t like to mention this but like it keeps coming up like would they would they view Preston as as the Sam linebacker like would they view him as that and then it’s kind of interesting but yeah I I get what you’re I get what

We’re saying now six total on the roster yeah to me I think that just means then I think if you draft two linebackers I think you’re getting a third as a udfa uh rather than um drafting three that would be my guess I I imagine none of the three

Truthfully if if we’re on board with two linebackers then that none of the three end up being more than I mean maybe Corners like the least of the three between safety linebacker of like total total picks at each position but I’m not sure then if if we’re believing that

They’re going to draft multiple linebackers that that we get a get a single position kind of leading the way that would be kind of sick three udfa linebackers would be pretty sick um Thiago says is Jaylen Wright the new the new or the next Aaron Jones it’s

Possible I mean I think he’s obviously he’s obviously faster right than Aaron Jones um I think that I would say no I don’t think they’re quite the same Thiago I think okay Thiago says what is the running back that’s most similar to Aron Jones in the draft probably Jonathan Brooks honestly it

Feels like they’re the same type of player where it’s like okay it’s not they’re not there’s not a lot of you know they’re not you know Electric in terms of like straight line speed right they’re not like 70 yard touchdown Merchants right that that’s not the player they are they’re like you know

Consistently good at churning out 67 yards a carry and like you know catching the football out of the back field right like I think Brooks does a nice job in pass Pro especially uh where like these guys can be really good in zone right against with Zone blocking and understanding

What spots to pick when to bounds runs out I I think probably Brooks is the most similar just is a smooth Runner good balance flexible right exceptionally quick and fle with the footwork at times when necessary that feels like I think the most comparable player to me would probably be Brooks from Texas

So without further Ado should do we get into a mock draft now Mock Draft simulator is ready and waiting um so yeah um we’ll get into a mock shortly few more questions I see here Mitch says he wants to see QB hand sizes I think Packers really put emphasis on this do

You think they do that other positions it’s possible Right you could look at hand size for um for you know off offensive lineman right defensive lineman like how how bigger your hands to be able to hold on with like good grip strength I think that’s possible obviously grip

Strength comes into play with running backs catching the football of the Back Field obviously receivers catching the ball tight ends so I mean it’s very possible Right linebackers to be able to shed blocks I think there’s there’s definitely a lot of like you know positions that could put an emphasis on

That there’s no doubt I do do I think they do it at other positions maybe I’m not sure but I understand why you could potentially do it Brian’s Brian is this a is this a question or is this a is this your I’m gonna put this out there Brian on Twitter right

Now Brian mafy thinks dun Edwards is Brian Westbrook that’s the comp all right Brian I’m putting this on Twitter right after the show Brian I’m putting this on Twitter uh all right yeah we’ll get into the mock draft here for sure yeah I think hand size for QB I

Mean there’s a reason teams do it right is it a little silly sometimes sure um but I I get it that like you believe that you know the bigger hands you’ll be able to hold on the football and all the elements and all that I still think guys

Like Jordan love who have obviously bigger hands they’re still going to have the ball slip out sometimes um but no no no it’s not a I don’t see the Brian you know I’m choosing to ignore the question mark we’re going to put that on no we’re gonna put that out there for the

People we’re gonna put that out there for the people oh is you heard it oh Brian you should have you should have stamped that uh stamped that in um you should stamp that comp for good that’s interesting I maybe I don’t remember watching Westbrook play that much though so I’m too

Young not really but like uh I would have to go watch like guys from the 2000s to comp them to the guys from the 2000s that’s a lot tougher for me to do um uh Mark Sawyer hello says which uh Position will be most affected by combine shuttle cone

Numbers I mean all of them are shuttling three cones so agility which is most affected by that I mean I know that there’s obviously you know people have floated out there that’s a short shuttle for offensive lineman if your short shuttle is under a certain number it usually means that you’re pretty good

Um it’s like a four 448 or something I think if it’s under that I think it’s something like that um but like I think shuttle and Cone numbers you know you get o line and you get like Ed rusher I think are big ones overall um usually

You’re going to see I mean you’re going to see a lot of good athletes out there every year right and so you know it’s for for probably like you know if we want to kind of put a bow on the comine talk like you you’ll see there athleticism thresholds are

Important like to to look at right you see a lot of the best of the best be tremendous athletes but obviously a lot of the best best of the best football players are great athletes like that’s that’s the name of the game in a lot of respects um but yeah most people are

Putting o line for that but I do think it’s it there are Trends there are Trends from this week uh the biggest one is tight end if you don’t testwell as tight end it might be it it might be GG’s uh you just see pretty much a lot

Of the best tight ends are are good athlet are the best of the best athletes because it’s harder to to win against super athletic linebackers or super athletic safeties right and and to you know to kind of be able to turn you know short intermediate yardage into into big

Yardage you know you have to be able to run away from guys you have to make guys miss like there’s so much that goes into tight end um and I know this really isn’t the question mark but it’s like this is stuff to glean from the week

Like usually tight ends if you’re a great athlete you have a better chance um but yeah it seems like I think o line Edge rusher is a good one but those are probably the two that are most affected by like the three cone and then the short shuttle all right should we get

Into a mock let’s get into a mock huh let’s do that let’s do that uh share okay hopefully uh everybody can see this well if not we try this that’s a little bigger there we go alrighty Packers M draft time people okay that should be a bigger screen for everybody to

See all right well we’re going to roll this unless is is does anybody does anybody want let’s put it this way yeah drafting athletic tight ends big deal it’s important um does anybody want to slow this down do should we think we slow it down at all for potential

Trade-up scenarios or should we uh should we just let it go what do we think should we just uh do we want to even consider trading from 25 Brian wants it on fast I yeah we’ll put it on Fast once we get past the first but I want to see if

Anybody’s itching to trade up at all if not no biggie we’ll let it run um I’m not hearing anything I’m not seeing anything yet so uh yeah yes Mark Sawyer knows what to say in here Mark Sawyer knows what’s up in this on this channel Mark knows what’s going on all right

So Mark we may have to move up to four to get neighbors it just depends on what the Patriots do just depends on the what the Patriots do you know Mark I’m gonna make this mock draft for sure at some point maybe I’ll post it on YouTube and uh we’ll see what the

Comments are all right Janelle hello says no from 25 go one at a time see if no one says anything okay Adam says he’s still in the dark terms of testing without testing I get that I understand that but Mark will Mark just for you we’re

GNA put this together we’re GNA put a Mal neighbors trade up draft together for sure we’ll do it not today but potentially right here the last uh oh my gosh Brock bars goes third so see Malik neighbors goes five um PFF loves wow two three corners in the top

Nine that’s tough you do not like to see that verse goes Wiggins man it’s just like Koolaid goes 19th this is the ultimate struggle right here where do you go right why is Jaden Daniels available this has been a PFF has had this problem recently PFF has had this problem I

Don’t get it and there you go pton Wilson is 28th on pff’s Big Board that’s that’s wild some wild stuff there um but yeah PFF has had this problem recently no idea why where Daniels is available I don’t I don’t understand I don’t understand why that is the case

Why there why a third QB does not come off the board earlier but that’s tough um chargers at 37 want to move up Vegas New Orleans we could I mean we could try it Thiago asks is PFF accurate uh first year Watching mck drafts I mean I think

With their simulator they try they usually do a really good job of like getting like positional value off the board earlier and then they have a setting for that um but like I I think everybody every simulator Thiago is going to have their own flavor of their

Own rankings so like you’re going to see rankings that are going to be you know guys like I think Cooper BB is a really good example like if you look at like mock draft database which compiles Mack drafts and big boards and all that and sets the board like you’ll see them in

The 60s PFF has them at 141 so like there’s rankings that that change and they’re all over the place and so that’s a difficult part of part of all this is people are going to put their own rank rankings into these simulators and so that often drives stuff because if you

Look up here I think this is a great example right like Cooper de jeene is is really high on their on on pff’s board like seventh or eighth and he’s always a top 10 pick so when you’re in the PFF simulator it’s always hard to get Cooper

To Jean now because he’s he’s up there so high but yeah this is yeah yeah very high for Payton Wilson I’m I’m very surprised about that so there you go Peter Stone would like to trade back Mitch wants to trade down because someone wants Daniels I could see if the

Patriots are interested yeah this is true yeah it is just his rankings so everybody’s going to put their own kind of Swing on on on the rankings for for a lot of the simulators pfn so um let’s see uh Lee what’s going on he says am I

On to anything here Green Bay s guys front off included of great hair that’s you know you know we we might need to look into that we need pictures man we need pictures um all right Chad do do we want do you want me to just make the pick do we want

To you know consult with each other about what we’re doing here um do we want to see if we can trade down to like New England spot that’s I’m willing to listen I didn’t really decide on who was how we were going to do this mock but kind of winging

It there’s always more time in the in the uh in the first round so we got a little bit of time to make this pick right Janelle says Barton or rake draw not mad at that I’d be fine with either of those obviously Tyler nuan’s here at

27 probably not going to be able to pick him uh after this uh what would the Pats offer I’m gonna have to make make an offer from them because right now the team that wants to trade up that’s the highest in the order is the Chargers obviously you’re looking at

Raiders and Saints as well um that are interested so that’s that’s probably for a QB um that could be a lot of return I’m going to see if I can do New England I don’t know what they’re going to want here they’re not interested at

All all right I just want to see what are the Chargers willing to give me I’m automatically taking another two from you Chargers so uh 23% chance it’s tough 5050 5050 if we want to get a two next year right here to move down 12 spots and pick up 183 in the

Process H it looks like it’s probably just stick and pick uh unless everybody’s in agreement here wanting to do that but I’m fine let’s let’s do that let’s let’s go Barton or rraw what do we want to do Barton or Rik draw H the Pats I think the Pats would have to offer

So probably a day two pick next year and their pick um you want to do Jordan Morgan Brian Brian do you see Jordan Morgan as an interior guy um Jerell what’s going on how you doing says uh if we can draft kin bulock and tyon Arnold I’m

Happy jell like I got bad news man I got bad news uh teron Arnold went ninth to Chicago so it’s doubly bad didn’t get Terry and Arnold and he went to Chicago the process so it’s tough um yeah okay I figured so yeah I figured so it just

Feels like that’s going to be more natural for him there um okay we got one Barton one pton Wilson and two Rik straw all right I guess we’re gonna do that unless there’s any last minute voting Let’s do rraw let’s grab the corner here uh and see how it

Goes I’ll start making this go faster but nuben pton Wilson Jade Daniels there goes Barton to Baltimore of course um brazwell Coleman McCarthy Isaac Lasser Mitchell B Knicks and then TJ Tampa all right get the alien Edge I think we’re going to be able to do that right

Here right here Adam if we want to do Missouri Missouri um trade for a two and a five a two and a five that would have been good obviously you can trade down here to Cleveland wants somebody bad but I think there’s there’s a lot of players available here uh for

Green Bay so um yeah okay so we there were three votes for R draw so that was good we got we got R draw um second round there’s a lot of players available Tyler gon who I think is I think you would call him slightly bigger than what Green Bay has traditionally

Done at the position at 67 328 um so you go that route Jordan Morgan’s obviously here Jordan Morgan was well in line with what Green Bay does at the position he’s like 64 65 somewhere around there and then like 312 that’s traditionally how how they how they look at um offensive lineman

Jatavian Sanders is here uh you know young young player at tight end could be the move tight end could be an h-back maybe I don’t know uh could get fun with that obviously chop Robinson’s available I think chop Robinson’s GNA be if he played in Green Bay to

Me chop Robinson’s a Sam linebacker in Green Bay because I think he can drop the coverage a little bit if you want him to I don’t think he’s gonna play defensive end at what he’s going to weigh in at uh but here’s here’s a defensive end want defensive end in

Green Bay Darius Robinson is the guy right here so you know that’s uh possible uh Kingsway satea is in the same kind of Camp as uh Tyler gon you would think so he PFF had him listed 66 315 he came in at I think above 330 so that’s you

Know interesting if you go down further there’s a couple safeties here but I I think we stick with kind of what’s here there’s three T there’s I I would say there’s two tackles I would say Jordan Morgan’s probably a guard you get your tavien Sanders if you want to look at

Safety we can but cam kinch is hovering around way down here so could chill there I mean I think I’m to me I think I’m leaning Darius Robinson uh for the defensive line here um Thiago wants to draft a linebacker I Thiago I think we’re GNA have a lot of opportunity to draft

Linebacker here late truthfully um yeah I think I yeah Adam we’re going to have the chance I think one of the Robinsons feels like a really good direction to go here Janelle likes Darius Mitch likes Kingsley uh under under 33 inch arms for Morgan That’s yeah it’s not

Ideal um do you want a legit tackle or an interior offensive lineman I I think I think we look interior offensive lineman um dar Robinson do I think he’s lighter than 286 tomorrow yeah I’m with Brian I hope not I think if he is I mean

What it’s going to be like 284 285 like I don’t I don’t think we’re going to see anything drastic so 65 286 playing defensive end uh and maybe kicking inside to play defensive tackle at times you know um I think I think that’s the move personally uh I know there’s some

Some talk about you know uh King couple guys mentioned Kingsley there but I I do think Robinson’s a really good one so okay Thiago Edan Cooper yeah Cooper’s lingering down here a little bit Thiago he’s he’s here he’s here he’s at 49th on the board possibly pushes down um to 58 or

57 it’s 57 on this but I’m pretty sure it’s 58 uh in real life that’s also weird um okay Mitch could go Robinson it seems like the consensus is on Robinson and I’m I’m very happy to go that direction I think there’s offensive line to be had

And I think we’ll get there so let’s go uh let’s go with Darius Robinson here oh okay are we on bored with this we I’m bored with this goodness sakes oh man Adam yeah pause indeed pause indeed so Janelle says trade up to 50 and get Edan

Cooper if we want to do that we could do that you want to all right let’s let’s let’s put this on slow let’s draft Darius Robinson because he’s a consensus let’s see how the first few picks go here we’ve got it on slow we’ll see what happens here penx jatavian

Kingsley okay we’re at Joan Ellis we’re at 48 Cooper is still available um I don’t think they’re going to move Eder to Edge at 227 pounds um but uh you know could be the weak side linebacker in coverage all right so Cooper’s still available how much higher are you on edge over gray

I I don’t think enough to where like the so like the Gap here I think is what’s interesting right I think PFF has gray in like the 160s and they got Cooper at 49th I don’t think the gap’s that big personally um and yes do I you know oh I

Got you nice I like that okay quality joke quality joke quality joke good one from WM there um but yeah I don’t think I don’t think the gap’s that big personally um I I’m fine with letting it go because I do think linebacker has plenty plenty of

Options um later so we do have we do have interior offensive line that’s a good point by Mark here to think about as well Brian’s in on a guy like Junior Coulson nice good good to hear good to hear WM bringing bringing the uh comedic relief right now to the draft room where

It’s very tense right now we gotta we got to get this right of course so um but yeah I think there is one guy right in interior offensive line that you know we could could make a little bit of a move up here if we wanted to and that would be like Christian

Haynes is that somebody we feel like moving up for so Mitch says wait I’m waiting at 48 I can wait here I’m goingon to Cooper BB’s weit down the list is he a fit in Green Bay that’s the question right he’s played four positions at a very high

Level um I just not sure if I I I think he’s a really good player I’m just the Zone fit to me is maybe the biggest question but um Haynes yeah there isn’t a lot of Mark to be fair there’s not a lot of Connecticut offense rolling around there

Um uh YouTube might have a few games if possible um um yeah there’s not a lot out there on him at the moment so um let’s see I’m gonna push myself down a little further okay so we could make a move up for Haynes um let’s let’s take it down a couple more

Picks okay so chop and Chris Jenkins are off the board I mean might be able to wait for for this thing might be able to wait for this yeah I I I dig this from Brian here I think it’s just a question if we want to make that move there’s there are other

Guards for sure that could fit but if we want to make a move to trade up we got to do it now because I do think the Rams who I believe they picked yeah they picked Kool-Aid might be the team that might uh might have to jump them and

Miami all right I’m seeing sit on her pick we’ll sit we’ll wait Bullard there goes Cooper and Kiran that’s interesting okay so what that tells me is our guy is here our Guy is available folks look at that man look at that man in zone according to PFF

89 look at that man he’s he’s excellent he’s here so turns out it worked I’m going to move this up to fast now so we can get through the picks but we’ve got the two missoury cats so far uh Andis rraw and Darius Robinson so I think I

Think it’s time Brian here’s the question here’s the question is he tall enough is he tall enough um is he tall enough to to be a packer I think he’s like 6’2 and a half you know is that big enough or is he playing Center so yeah there’s a lot of good there’s a lot of good stuff here um you think so all right that’s good to hear Brian I like that Mitch Jaden Hicks maybe yeah I remember bugler had him mocked to Green Bay I think at 41 in one of his two round mocks

Recently uh he’s probably going to be the Box guy I know his coverage grades really good but it to me it feels like he is more of in the hole type of coverage um I don’t love the consistency here I guess he played well against Washington um I just not sure where to

See him because I I think Jaden Hicks is I think somebody that Packers fans who should all be paying attention to what the testing is going to look like for jayen Hicks I think that’s a big part of that for sure um what’s going on good to see it

Says would trade back the top of the second round take Cooper first tandre at 41 wow yeah I know I know you’re a big tandre sweat guy for sure um yes Mark Sawyer puny is still available he is yes he is he’s in like like 108 on pff’s board here so or

Both we could well yeah trade back to see what we can get there’s no trade offers currently unfortunately Peter so we’ll have to kind of stick and pick at this spot um but Hicks could be the hammer I do like Kiton oladapo another guy who might be able to uh to

Um kind of step in and be that be that Hammer as well has have improved in coverage a lot looked pretty smooth in coverage at the Senior Bowl uh Janelle Le s still is a slot corner I think pretty much if you talk to you talk to a

Lot of people I think a lot of people would agree that they like um that they like Sr still as a slot corner I think it’s just he’s probably not in the thresholds in terms of what Green Bay wants for size at corner right you look at him in that low

180s there um even kesan Nixon who the Packers have played obviously at nickel for a while is 200 lound like it seems like they want the size of the position so as well as you know kind of being saying you know there you go too short I

I think they want more size at the position because I think kean’s like at least 5’10 um so serer still is boring that like 58 180 range and just Fireball love him good player will Green Bay you know push the thresholds even break them for him linebacker I’ll take a look at

Linebacker for you Peter really quick but I think I think we’re pretty sold on who we’re picking there’s a lot of linebacker still available I know it feels like at this point I think for a lot of people maybe not as moved by the Notre Dame guys maybe not as moved by

Barrett maybe not as moved by ikenberg right but if you peer down here a little bit this is where I think the class really starts to take shape starting with gray here Jaylen Ford Darius moau traven Wallace and then if you look even further our guy Nathaniel Watson way

Down here so Mark Sawyer says can Kiran amaji play uh inside maybe maybe but he’s got a ton of he’s got a ton of length on him um he feels like the more you know mauling type maybe even more of a gap type it as a tackle or he can really

Attack as a run blocker but you know another fast improving player so yeah I think I would prefer him at tackle but I don’t think it’s impossible that he could play uh play guard um yeah yeah traven Wallace another one good call by Janelle here traven Wallace another one

Where he’s as big from Kentucky 244 uh like like Nathaniel Watson is and I think him and him and Phillips are both Kentucky guys could have a really nice uh a really nice week down here so yeah yeah um I think Jaden Hicks is interesting but let’s get this rolling

Let’s let’s take Christian Haynes here uh we’re going to let this thing run out um we’re gonna go fast uh I know there was some talk about safety we could we oh could could take Hopper and go all all Missouri that’s true that is true yeah I understand why

To go safety there Hicks Bullard bullard’s another one it’s a good player I think they’re gonna have they’re going to have opportunities here and I think one of them is sitting here if we want him truthfully truthfully truthfully I think you’ve got a few guys and I know

Peter’s going to be pining for for Malik Mustafa as well maybe he’s the Box guy you want to go get right and maybe Adrien Taylor demerson is the guy in coverage that that you want to go get in terms of you know your single high player right so so far uh Andis rraw

Corner Missouri Darius Robinson defensive end Missouri and Christian Haynes Guard from Connecticut so those are the three picks to this point uh to I mean I’m fine with doing this if everybody’s on board with Jaylen Wright I’m on board with it um so I I like this all right so let’s

See Mason McCormick Mason McCormick’s big yeah um he I think he could fit really nicely uh as a guard as well if we wanted to double up at guard after Haynes um yeah I’m down with demerson and Mustafa I think you get Mustafa at pick 126 potentially um braid is also

Still there Bullock’s probably off the bulock is off the board um so you know we’ve I I think I think this is where everybody’s going to want to go I think Jaylen Wright feels like a good idea we could go dri and Taylor demerson to get

Some center field help at safety at 91 and that could kind of be what the third round looks like um ‘s Joy what’s going on I’m gonna sneeze chat it’s this big light in front of me um so let’s see um first few picks were Andis rraw Corner Missouri Darius

Robinson defensive M Missouri and Christian Haynes Guard from Connecticut those were our first three so that’s true no I I do think this is a good point by Brian right here I think that if we’re going to go o line again at this point we got our like I think we’ve

Got our strictly interior player and Christian Haynes I think now is the time where it’s okay find you know a guy with tackle experience maybe who could kick inside right and you have that type of Versatility which there are still guys here available how durable would Wright

Be that’s a tough question that’s a tough question he he feels like he runs a little more upright than some of the others um in the class but uh you know I I it’s always hard to say you you get a guy like Pacho who is you know obviously a bowling ball but

Also like has clearly worked on leg flexibility and how to land because like you know he’s he’s avoided some major injuries so it’s just you know part of it is continuing to train yourself to to find longevity uh in the league so yeah yeah I I get not loving the rraw

Thing in the first I I know there Barton was there nuben was there so it seems like everybody’s in on right yeah there’s no running back at this point so all right let’s take Jaylen Wright let’s keep rolling we’ll go running back early not my favorite thing to do Patrick Paul

And Cedric van pran are the two picks in between green base third round picks um so there are some options at the top of the board I like to go a little bit further down couple things I know uh we’ve already gone running back Andrew Phillips probably gonna be a

Really nice tester PFF didn’t really like him I I know there’s obviously a a big hole of inconsistency here in some some tough games against what feels like the top competition so that’s something to maybe note for Andrew Phillips uh Renardo green is still here an option of

Course uh I really like Dwayne Carter a defensive tackle from duke um yeah I those are some guys that that are are worth checking out but truthfully I think my pick here would be drien Taylor demerson um maybe he’s a little bit smaller he’s like 510 189 I

Don’t know if that’s something that’s going to be a turnoff potentially for Green Bay it might maybe it could be where maybe Bo braid makes more sense uh but obviously there’s still a need at safety and there there’s going to have to be um some uh some commitment there in

By the end of this Mock Draft so all right we took right Peter wants linebacker so gray is still there Adam and gray is gonna be there uh at 126 and he has often and I’ve often got gray at 168 believe it or not so we can wait for

Cedric gray we can he will be available at 126 if that’s the direction we’d like to go Mitch I’m with you I think I think Carter would be an excellent selection here I think it would be honestly one of the best value picks of this box so far

Truthfully uh but I understand if we don’t want to go that direction and we want to uh we want to address safety that’s fine by me um Mark doesn’t seem like he wants to wait anymore yeah I know he’s in the 160s so I understand I understand what you’re

Saying Mitch I understand that you know why would you want defense from the Big 12 I think you’re getting a pretty good player here on the back end of a defense I I truly I truly think you’re getting a good player here I I really do um forc in completion

Rate’s really impressive um he doesn’t miss a lot of tackles like that t for safeties that’s a pretty good Miss tackle rate um and he’s got a lot of experience on the on the back end 485 507 snaps the year before he’s got some experience in the slot as well like

I I think we could go that direction uh but if we want to wait at safety I think there are two names that could complement each other well and we could go we could go carter Brian we got to we might have to we got to tell him about the Kansas game too

But I I think you know could go that direction I’m I’m definitely down with going Carter Mitch and Bryan seem like they want to go carter I’m down with doing that um yeah I don’t I think I think vaky is just somebody that they really like because of the potential not really what

He has done for full seasons to this point truthfully um but yeah I am I am so down doing this right here going to Wayne Carter at the interior defensive line because it it’s going to give us there’s a lot and I already mentioned this there’s a lot of linebackers on day

Three that I think really talented um even relative to you know guys that are going in the second or third round like I think that Talent Gap is not that big and I I think you’re getting more value there for linebacker so if chat’s down for this I’m down for

This I think Carter will be an excellent selection I’m I’m not but we didn’t we didn’t really address it we didn’t really address it early unfortunately and that kind of put us behind the eightball a little bit uh I wish kinchin were still available um but I think truthfully as well WM like

Linebacker to me I think their safety’s got some options that are further down that I think could really complement each other well like I think they’re truthfully I think they’re way undervaluing oladapo way undervaluing oladapo I think they’re undervaluing Kenny Logan personally from Kansas as potentially a guy who can play in the

Back end this guy’s your current favorite I know the grades aren’t good this guy’s your current favorite in the 40 yard dash by the way um but I think Mustafa Bo braid like you know I think there are other players let’s all right everybody seems to be on board with going uh

Dwayne Carter here and I’m I’m in let’s do it let’s roll all right Dwayne Carter the pick there let’s keep it going maybe want to get one more offensive lineman and there you go there a couple guys um but yeah I I think I think the defensive line with Carter and Darius

Robinson on it is sick that would be incredible uh oh I I like the ronard reonardo green shout I I did uh I did bring him up um so yeah I I did bring him up as a potential there yeah there hasn’t been there hasn’t been a lot of a lot of safeties

That that goody has drafted he has definitely preferred free agents and maybe he does the same thing right I could be unhappy with how safety goes but goody goody hasn’t done a whole lot like you said at the position so all right now we get interesting here it’s

Day three we’re g to go rapid fire here see if we can uh man there’s a lot of names obviously Christian Jones at the top you know there’s tackle experience for you especially on the right side at least doing well on pass protection The Zone grade from PFF says that’s really good

Um played pretty well against the best teams on the schedule at least defensively so there’s that option I I’m not a fan of of going uh of going running back again this early um Isaiah Adams has some tackle guard experience as well played better uh in 2022 obviously

Had the Full Tilt of snaps on the left side played a lot of right tackle last year I don’t think he uh did a nice job adjusting which some guys don’t obviously we’re not going to do this but Mason Smith’s loaded with a lot of talent per se uh Trey Benson’s still

Available that’s fun Cole Bishop could be the box safety if we wanted to do that Ben cinate guy I really like at tight end um Mitch did mention kayin King you know it’s it’s been a tough time for King but I think he’ll test pretty pretty well

Um should we make Peter Stones we can make Peter Stones day right here go Malik Mustafa um you know he’s he’s done some good things he’s done some good things as the box safety can he play has he played nickel at all he has he’s got 300 320 snaps 321 snaps

So Janelle I think that’s fair just needs to spend that 68 mil and get an okay vet safety could be that could be the way to go I know Mark says tackle I know Mitch kayen King IR Joyce says halfly made it seem like it’s going to be important to him emphasizing

Safety though yeah he definitely could go for for Newman or bulock that’s that’s very possible um Bishop P T-Rex arms there you go Bishop look good in single high looks really high Antonio how are you doing um could see M Bishop coming down to Blitz

I think he’s going to play in the Box most likely um but yeah there you go Mark and Mitch seem to be on board with Mustafa I don’t know if Peter’s still uh flipping back and forth between Clayton stream in this one but um I think Peter

Would be overjoyed if we went this direction I think this is your I do think this becomes your box safety and your slot player ah Peter is here should we do it I’m fine with doing that I have no problem with it I just want to take a look at offensive line really

Quick okay I think there’s I think there’s an option for us later all right let’s do it guys want to do Mustafa let’s do it it does seem early but I think it’s the point where on day three Mark I think you got to start you gotta start forcing the

Issue a little bit more um Kon is still there that’s true that is true he is still available um but it seems like everybody wants to go Mustafa and I think the one thing the one thing I will say is if you want this guy might have to take Cedric gray right

Here he sometimes gets to 168 because he’s the 168th player on the board but he doesn’t always get there and so if we want Cedric gray it’s probably gonna have to be time so you’re you’re going to have to kind of choose there if you want gray probably going have to take

Him if you want Mustafa you’re probably going to have to take him oladapo we do not have to take yet because oladapo will be available yeah now now the decision becomes a little bit tougher um well I take a peek at all the interior offensive line guys really fast

I know Cooper BB is still here Insanity that he’s still available um I don’t think we’re do that um just because I think there are other things to focus on at the moment truthfully I think it comes down to you want someone like Christian Jones you want someone

Who can maybe play left tackle left guard and Isaiah Adams or we force the issue at safety with Mustafa or you get Cedric gray let’s give it let’s give it 15 seconds and then we’re gonna we’re gonna keep moving I will let the Mustafa voters revote because I know that we forgot to

Mention gray early in that um in that so we don’t have to take I know Brian brought up oladapo we do not have to take oladapo at this point Brian because he will he is like 2050th um so we’re not we don’t need to do it we Mustafa is the one where you’re

Going to have to see what ha okay all right even okay I think we’ve made the call here because even Peter’s like let’s go gray over Mustafa which is not something he says very often so it seems like three to gray two to Mustafa and then Brian wants

Olapa which I totally understand all right let’s let’s get gray we’ll grab Cedric gray right here all right I thought I saw him go oh he did go he did go it’s unfortunate um but uh so we haven’t we haven’t drafted safety yet this is this is tough

It’s a tough tough situation we’ve put ourselves in a little bit uh if Jaylen Simpson were like any bigger I think it makes perfect sense to draft him uh now we’re kind of just now we’re kind of just uh hoping at this point Point um could

Go with the with the fella from from Air Force good to see you Mark um hopefully we’ll see you uh this week uh for the combine reaction shows so yeah we could have we could have maybe moved up Peter that’s my bad probably should have probably should

Have brought that up as a possibility um yeah Peter you’re going to be you’re going to be be dancing for joy when when they actually pick Mustafa in the draft and you you’ve been saying it this long so we got we’re going to be giving you your props uh Mitch wants

Lby not opposed to that yeah Trey Taylor could be that this could that could be the direction if we want to do it uh I forget if Trey Taylor’s available usually at 203 um we could could try to put the finishing touches at offensive

Line um oh yes I will if that happens I I would not blame you at all all right let’s uh let’s try to run through this quick here to kind of finish this out I think if you want to get an other offensive lineman uh I think you go

Rosengarten here a tackle from Washington really good pass blocker and that’s really sometimes all it takes for Green Bay right so I think if you want that offensive lineman you take him now um then we kind of continue to fill in linebacker and safety uh once we get

Into you know six seventh round here Peter says sundell so my question with sundell is do we want so the question here with him is 2023 best season was left tackle so we could go that direction um he obviously has experience at Center and he graded out fine there

Too I’m fine with that as well um yeah we got to get we definitely got to get safety I think we can get two of them um once we get to the last four picks of the draft we can get two of those guys Trey Taylor would probably be

The one to potentially have to take if you want him now um I like sundell I think that’s a very nice selection here for you know to kind of round out the offensive line guy with center and Tackle experience uh Javon Foster I think he’s gone yeah yeah Foster is unfortun not

Available so I think we’re down to a few things you take Sandell or you take Rosen Garten here or you grab uh Trey Taylor Who’s I think way down the list him and oladapo could be the two safeties and we might be able to

Wait so give it a few seconds here but I think I’m leaning I’m leaning sundell because I think we can get Taylor and oladapo uh down the stretch and Kenny Logan so Peter says sundell Mitch said sundell I say we do it let’s keep it rolling

Here so we’re not here for two more hours let’s go sundell let’s complete the offensive line rebuild and and let safety abound let’s see what we can do Rosen garton okay there were some safeties that went but but I think Trey Taylor I’m pretty sure he’s available if we want to go

That direction okay yeah so yeah a lot of people a lot of people with the tackle will’ll do Kenny Logan did hear about mvs WM yeah that he got cut by the Chiefs I don’t think it was super surprising he was do a lot of money do a lot of money all

Right well now we’re paying attention to safety folks and I think to me I think we got to get yeah we could maybe I know those people like Dominique Campton but I think you gota you gotta end up with uh two of the three from Taylor from Air Force Logan from Kansas and

Oladapo from Oregon State yeah Chris we’ve been mock drafting we’ve been mock drafting we have been mock drafting um yeah yeah t 10 12 million a year yeah I I just it made sense for them they’re trying to pay they’re two studs on defense so Hopper is still there where

Said that Mitch said that that’s that’s good that’s true could go that route could go that route there’s four picks left and I imagine it’s going to be safety linebacker and running back that’ll be the selections so I think he’s I think he maybe has some right as a as a field stretcher

But you know g bay is clearly set so that’s good news yeah they were trying to Chris they were trying to Moneyball uh their receiver room clearly without without Tyreek and it just kind of didn’t work yeah WM it’s clear that Goody’s gotten goody and Company have really

Reversed course with their um with their wide receiver evaluations which is a good which is good news all right so we think we go Trey Taylor Chad Inc how’s it going says been hearing a lot about the guy from Air Force Trey Taylor could

Be a could be a big week for him Janelle did mention that that could be a big testing week so yeah that’s a good point on mvs from Air’s Joy belongs on a team with two really Dependable receiving options so you can put up with his drops

Yeah okay so yeah let’s um we’re going to be looking at safety linebacker and running back so let’s just put them all on the board shall we oops didn’t mean to fil mean to do that let’s put them all on the board all right so we got running back

Safety and linebacker all there um Frank gour jior is currently the best um but I do think Jaylen Ford is available at linebacker there’s another one that’s really good this late but I do think we got to kind of force the issue here a little bit more at at safety than at linebacker

But we got four picks um I think I think we uh yeah I think we make the Taylor Pick and we’ll see uh what happens after that let’s make the Taylor Pick let’s see what happens okay Hopper did come off the board uh yeah Isaiah Davis Isaiah Davis

Could be a good one at a running back one of the last few picks that we’ll make so we got one of the safeties we took Trey Taylor I’m fine with this lot of slot reps um yeah I’m not mad at this at Omar Brown here from Nebraska but

Um Kon Kon oladapo good player here good player um oh it was a sternberger WM corner is another option yeah haven’t gone Corner um I don’t know what’s left at corner not a ton not a ton not a ton at corner I think the options here are Jaylen Ford and uh and

Oladapo but I do think you can wait on oladapo so yeah I think we could have gone Corner Peter I just we just didn’t find a whole lot whole lot to like there so I think it’s I think it’s safety I think you could go Omar Brown if you

Want but if you want to double up at linebacker I think you take Jaylen Ford here let’s let’s do that let’s take Jaylen Ford um and let’s see what happens for these last two I imagine we’re going to go safety and running back with them so here we go make the jayen Ford

Selection oh boy okay okay great news I know we didn’t take the QB we might have to do that now um so I know someone might mention that um yeah traven Wallace would have been another one um MOA and and Nathaniel Watson’s still available so I think they’re going to end up

Signing one I think they’re gonna end up signing one truthfully I I just don’t between between uh Savage um and then you have McKinna right like there’s there’s a lot a lot to do there I would take Watson Peter but we just took Jaylen Ford we’ve got Cedric Grace we’ve

Got two linebackers in tow already um yeah no tight end could have gone tight end I think Ben Sims you know he could still he could still like what Ben Sims has to offer as well so Evan Anderson would be an interesting one if we hadn’t already Thiago gone

Defensive line with uh with Dwayne Carter so yeah I think I think you got to go safety here there are a lot of high-end guys I just wonder how many how much they’re going to pay I think mckenny might be their ceiling in terms of what they’re

Paying if they if they pay uh antoan field that would be wild it’s just kicker that’s not a bad idea truthfully I think we get the other safety here or you know that you grab a second running back there’s a couple running backs left Carson steel would be one of

Them um all right I know we want to go kicker and Long Snapper I understand PF doesn’t even have long Snappers on here to pick unfortunately that’s tough it’s tough uh could go carter Bradley at QB could make that QB swing that we’ve talked about but let’s um let’s take oladapo for

Brian’s uh for Brian’s sake let’s take oladapo I’m gonna make the two picks here let’s go oladapo and then we’ll take uh we will take yeah I think we’re gonna have to go Carson steel from U UCLA at running back so let’s finish it there just so we have uh a finished

Product here so yeah I’m sure that the the simulator isn’t going to love all these which is fine it is what it is simulator uh we could have done two to his brother we could have gone QB but I think I think this works I know QB is probably going to be

Um in the cards but I think it’s good to like look at like okay this is this is something that’s entirely possible it’s a lot of Defense I know that’s going to be kind of the main criticism of the mock here but I do think what you’re

Getting out of this mock draft is enough of a secondary boost um with uh you know rraw with Trey Taylor with oladapo so the reason that gray is an F unfortunately is because he’s ranked 168th on pff’s board and we took him 126 at a position they don’t deem very

Valuable so that’s the only reason it’s an F otherwise I’m not gonna be mad at it but so yeah you get rraw you get Taylor you get oladapo for the secondary linebacker getting a huge boost with I think with Ford and gray that’s a big big time boost for that duo

Offensive line L gets a nice boost with Haynes who can play guard and potentially Center as well the Senior Bowl worked him out there and you get Sandell who has played left tackle and Center which is kind of wild the defensive line with Robinson and Carter

Is a giant boost as well that’s a lot of talent uh you’re injecting there and then running back gets Wright and Carson steel which I think is a nice a nice little Duo to add behind Aaron Jones It’s Not shocking to see a lot of B pluses on day three that’s goody style

Right so I think it’s I I think it’s pretty good overall yeah Peter I don’t hate this ranking from the 33rd team I don’t hate that at all I Cedric gray to me I don’t know why he’s being valued this way by PFF very strange very strange one um I

Think he’s going to be as long as the testing goes very well um yeah it’s a uh you know and not to say PFF is always wrong right I just feel like the value on on Gray is is interesting same with Cooper BB yeah tawon thoron is the guy you’re thinking

Of there WM yeah BFF thoron taekwon thoron wi second yeah if the Pats take a receiver usually not a good not not good not good so yeah they did take him in the second round that was wild so yeah there’s your mock appreciate all the help with that if you got any last

Minute questions drop them in there but otherwise uh enjoy combine week because it’s going to be a lot of fun I think we’re going to gonna see a lot I think it’s going to thin the board a little bit for Green Bay which is always good we get to kind of then kind

Of uh you know kind of not widen but um really focus a little bit further into like all right this is these are the guys they’re going to like versus you know guys who didn’t test as well I know they they’re not completely R you know that’s not their system but they have

Something similar Brian has talked about that before for um yeah I mean it’s that’s that’s what we’ll see we’ll see the board shrink a little bit in terms of what Green Bay is going to look for but there you go last kind of pre-combine mock draft for the Packers

You know free agency and the combine are obviously going to even thin the board even more which is fun so we’ll be able to kind of really really get into it um towards the middle and end of March which is very exciting but like I said before uh here um after every uh

Uh combined day we should have some sort of live show even if it’s a short one just talking about a few guys maybe there’ll be a guest or two we’ll see I’ll reach out uh if anybody um is interested in that and we’ll kind of maybe have some nice banter about that

Um but yeah enjoy your week hopefully there’ll be a four few more Prospect film rooms on the channel in the coming days so uh get excited for that there’s one tomorrow on a top Corner in the draft sure you can probably figure out who it is because Wiggins is already on

The channel so but yeah there’ll be a few out there and then um yeah we we’ll get into some Packer stuff as well some other NFL film rooms it’s a little bit harder because I I don’t have the usual setup at the moment um so it’s harder to

Record videos uh this way but we’re going to do our best for you guys so um thank you guys uh for tuning in tonight I know it wasn’t the usual night but as we said it’s a special week combine week so it should be a lot of fun though uh Justin boy

I I think an interesting an interesting five3 Tech he might be in that that Darius Robinson kind of Realm as well in terms of where he plays I I I think he plays good leverage um I think he plays with really good hand placement and

Power so yeah I I like him I like him a decent bit seems like a nice mid-rounder so yeah Mark Markus big on Robinson have a great night Mark uh have a good night Peter thank you all for tuning in I know there’s a lot of you tonight and the

Chat’s been been really popping off I we had the usuals in here of course Mitch was in here Chris popped in for a little bit mentioned Peter mentioned A’s Joy uh obviously Brian one of the best out there we had some new new faces that maybe just weren’t used to commenting as

Much I I know Mark Sawyer Mark zbo were here tonight Janelle was good to hear from a lot of you guys Antonio U I’m sure I’m going to miss a lot of names trying to scroll back through but uh I know Smitty was in here at the beginning

That was fun jelle was here too Adam Thiago Lee it was great to see all of you and hopefully we’ll see all of you um for the shows throughout this week and of course um for the shows leading up to the draft and maybe the draft show

Itself which we will have here on the channel as we always do thank you guys so much uh enjoy your evening enjoy the rest of your week and uh yeah let’s um let’s Crush it’s going to be a great combine week

16 Comments

  1. Recievers is the least position of need , i dont see scenario where Gute chooses a WR until atleast later rounds.. i also dont see a QB pick in the first 3 rounds.. there are position needs on defense .. i just feel Gute will target defense early on with the new scheme , or even a O lineman

  2. Imo, Gutey still erred last yr selecting K Carlson n QB Clifford! Not because I had any idea whether they’d pan out but because there were better prospects on the board during that draft. Both could have been added to the team as UDFA offers. Yes, this yr on my dozens n dozens of mock drafts, QB Milton is always available in late 5th-early 7th rounds! He reminds me a lil bit of Love!

  3. LBs Cooper, Wilson n Trotter Jr are frequently gone by end of R1 n early R2, occasionally lasting until end of R2! So if we take S Nubin n an IOL/CB, etc, by our slotted R2/P41 draft position, we’ll miss out on the higher profiled LBs. Then if we take a LB, then we miss out on other needs. I wouldn’t want to be in Gutey’s shoes!

  4. Too much redundant chatting…just pick someone…please! These computer generated mocks are crap shoots. Don’t waste time going up…just pick…ugh!

  5. My no-trade mocks: R1 CB Rakestraw, R2 S Nubin, LB Wilson, R3 RB Brooks, DL Hall Jr, R4 LB Gray, R5 TE Sinnott, R6 IOL Coleman, OT Greenfield, R7 E Watts, WR Jackson

  6. 2nd no-trade mock…OT Guyton, S Nubin, LB Cooper, CB Sainristil, IOL Van Pran, RB Wright, OT Goncalves, E Caesar, QB Milton, CB McGlpthern, WR Jackson…3rd mock…DL Newton, S Nubin,LB Cooper, RB Brooks, CB Sainristil, OT Foster, CB Jones, IOL McCormick, QB Milton,E Watts, OT Pearl…4th mock…OT Fashanu, S Nubin, LB Cooper, RB Brooks, CB A-Draine, TE Stover, CB Phillips, IOL Coleman, LB Watson, E Watts, OT Pearl…5th mock…CB Mitchell, S Nubin, LB Colson, RB Benson, IOL Van Ptan, DL Davis, S Green, E Jackson, LB Watson, CB Sheppard, OT Coker…6th mock…CB McKinstry, CB Lassiter, S Kinchens, RB Brooks, IOL Haynes, E Booker, OT Rosengarter, LB Bertrand, S Proctor, IOL Nugent, WR Jackson…7th mock…DL Murphy, E Robinson, S Kinchens, RB Benson, OT Amagadjie, CB Newton, LB Jacobs, QB Milton, LB Watson, IOL Nugent, OT Pearl…😮🎉❤😂😅…my fav was #6 or #4…

  7. Actually, here’s my updated fav no-trade mock: OT Alt, S Nubin, LB Cooper, RB Benson, E Kneeland, TB Wright, IOL Laumea, QB Milton, LB Watson, CB Dial, TE All…last 3 picks there were dozens of options…❤🎉🎉

  8. I like your draft too although the vassilating drove me crazy! I only qx Steele but don’t know him. Otherwise, you’ve pegged some beasts n I truly hope our new DC releases the hounds!! Been awhile since we clobbered teams like that Dallas game n even SF po game…only allowed them 1TD n if not for Love’s hasty picks we may have beat them, too!

  9. Always late responding..but we need to double up on several positions, ie. Safety, corner, linebacker, running back. But we need a OL, DL or a edge. Good luck still have some time …lol but sure their board is basically etched

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