Fairway to Heaven: Peter Uihlein’s Love of International Golf, Dad Life, and Measuring Success

Peter Uihlein joins Jerry Foltz and Su-Ann Heng on Fairway to Heaven to discuss his vast experience in the international golf world. The newly initiated member of RangeGoats GC talks about the surprise of being traded from 4Aces GC, raising 2 children while being a professional golfer, and the long history of golf in his family. Uihlein also speaks about his early success in his golfing career and getting back to what he loves on LIV Golf.

Timestamps:
0:00 – Intro
1:24 – Hong Kong Recap
7:15 – Peter Uihlein Joins the Podcast
10:16 – Driving Woes
15:29 – Uihlein’s Game Now vs. In College
17:32 – Golf Runs in the Family
25:15 – Advice to Young Top Golfers
33:18 – Playing for 3 Different Captains
39:22 – Relationship with Brooks
41:05 – The Future of LIV Golf and the PGA Tour
46:29 – Creating The Best Golfer
48:54 – Defining Success
51:31 – Uihlein Interview Reaction
56:05 – Scheffler’s Most Recent Comments
1:00:55 – Outro

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Why did you have to go there Jerry I didn’t go anywhere I didn’t go Anywhere welcome to fa to Heaven a li golf podcast my name is suan hanging with me is Jerry fultz as always my co-host we’re back in our Zoom boxes because we’re back in our respective homes um how are you feeling Jerry are you uh jet lagged I I honestly don’t

Know how you do it that is such a pain in I mean that’s such a long travel day fortunately the big flight which was South Korea to Dallas I slept almost the entire flight and now you remember how last week I couldn’t get to sleep at

Night and everybody else is waking up at 3:00 am too jet lag now I have the reverse jet lag now I literally can’t get out of bed Karen woke me up today at 11:00 a.m. and I was in a dead sleep she says what time’s your doctor’s appointment I’m

Like so yeah like 12 hours of sleep last night that’s when you know you’re old you wake up and your wife is asking you when your doctor’s appointment is at 11:00 in the morning if by some chance I didn’t think I was old you remind me every

Day oh yeah Absol that’s what I’m here for Jerry that’s what I’m here for um all right well a few things happened let’s let’s recap Hong Kong last week uh first of all that was this is our we’ve had four events we’ve had had two playoffs yeah I know that’s that’s

Awesome but it was I mean it was such a we the Abraham answer T off with a five-stroke lead basically it was his tournament to lose and he did he lost it and then he he summoned up the courage the heart the guts to hit the shot of

The day in his in his words on his approach shot at 18 and got it done that was uh it was pretty cool to see him you know that was a little bit you know he’s a world class player he’s won a World Golf Championship he’s won events all

Over um at every level he’s played but that was a little bit about of David versus Goliath right there yeah and and I mean at one point he had Rah chasing him uh cam Smith obviously who was in the playoff uh who else was up there uh

Paul Casey uh big name wise yeah everybody kind of petered out on Sunday everybody who who played who shot a really good round on Sunday was so far back they couldn’t catch him wo playing his way right back up into the that’s right we had a hole in one we had two

Hole in one on Sunday didn’t we yes we did kie kie and W yeah kie I think on hold two was it and W was eight yeah yeah yeah that was pretty awesome but uh yeah was was um cam shooting a bogey free I think four under on the final day

Get him up there um but that was a a great playoff by the way the 18th hole uh if you’ve never been to Hong Kong golf club is not an easy Hole uh to do what Abe did on the playoff hole is insane to split the fa away first of all

Under that pressure and then to hit that second shot is clutch that was really clutch I know he struggled a little bit during the day um with his game but obviously found it on the playoff hole it it is one of the toughest closing shot T holes in all of Championship golf

I mean it is that tight and it’s just unforgiving either side and you’re pitching out second shot over the water um yeah but he did it twice he did it in regulation and he did it in the playoff and just laced that and that whole location too it was tough you know it

Was kind of it was right over the ridge yeah yeah it was awesome um and then Anthony Kim gotta talk about Anthony Kim he shot 65 it was one of the lowest scores of the day and this is his sixth round back being competitive yeah

I know and our guest coming on shortly I won’t give it away but our guest coming on is tied with Anthony Kim and driving accuracy for last and so we got to give him a little grief that you know a guy who hadn’t touched a club in 12 years is

Hitting as many Fairways as you yeah but um that was I look forward to you just dishing that to him too by the way oh yeah oh no no problem he’s such a nice guy um but Anthony Kim to me I don’t know about you but to me that’s

The story of the year and I know I might have been a little bit hyperbolic during the podcast but I know what it’s like to take a month off while you’re playing full-time I know what it’s I had a wrist surgery once and had to take three months off when you’re playing fulltime

I know how quickly you lose everything you think you had I mean you don’t forget how to hit a golf ball you don’t hit it as solidly as often and you certainly don’t know where the bottom of your swing is but on and around the greens and that’s where he was

Phenomenal and to shoot 65 third and putting 65 on that golf course and be third in putting and he put it good in Jetta as well um I mean his first tournament he he top Shanks his second shot in Jetton 18 his layup and he shanked another one later in the day

That’s how lost it must have felt to him at the time and then that somehow in a matter of a week and two days come back and shoot 65 in that golf course that is one of the more astonishing accomplishments I’ve ever seen in cold

And wet weather by the way yeah yeah you know I mean the elements you can’t forget that but yeah I mean I took two years off I think at one point I when I totally just decided to to hang my clubs and was so done with golf took two years

Off and I remember the first day I picked up the club it felt so foreign to me like my it was like my body just didn’t know how to move in that direction anymore you know so I can’t imagine 12 years um but you know one

Thing I love about when I got to speak to him after was he said this one thing to me he goes it doesn’t matter what I shoot I feel like I’ve won and that was I mean and he said it he I never thought that I would say that

Ever you know U but that’s kind of his perspective Now isn’t it yeah we don’t know the depths of what the last 12 years were like for him if there were depths or we don’t know what he was doing I know his story is going to come

Out soon when he wants it to hopefully we’ll learn more um but obviously he he he made it sound like he was you know could have been in a tough place for a while and he’s what he shoots doesn’t matter he feels like he’s won the game

Of life he has a little daughter who adores him and he’s a lot of she’s a lot of the reason he’s even trying to do this to you know let her know what Daddy was and and may be again and uh and that’s all he really cares about is his

His wife and uh and little Bella um so he feels like he’s got fella yeah yeah super all right let’s invite Our Guest let’s not make him wait anymore uh we do have a phenomenal human being a great player Peter Uline of the range goats is joining us today Peter let him

In there he is how’ you shocker um how are how is life with two kids Congratulations by the way you know I thought I thought with one kid we didn’t have a lot of time on our hands but then I realized with a second kid we had a ton of time

With just the one so it’s uh it’s good it’s nice though it’s fun yeah and how’s Tucker how’s Tucker as a big brother loves it he loves it he like he likes to Tucker now he’s two he’s two so they have the same same birthday they were born on the same

Day that’s right yeah so uh he loves it though he he smothers her with affection and a little bit aggressive currently so but it’s f that’s awesome I love Tucker Tucker’s so cute like little blonde kid just running around like the Players Lounge and stuff he’s takes after he takes after chel

He’s very bubbly and very nice and affectionate so it’s good you’re pretty bubbly yourself and pretty affectionate and pretty nice no just made chel spit out her drink no oh that’s hilarious wasn’t there like a little baby boom recently in live golf I remember you guys were expecting last year and then a

Few others were as well Scott Vincent Vincent and Taylor so we uh oh yeah and then obviously with AK join we he’s got a little one um and Emily I think from the range goats yeah she had one she was expecting to at the same time yeah and

Then Rah joined but he’s got two kids so it’s it’s kind of it’s I think Miami will be cool because at the start it didn’t see seemed like there were a lot of families out in the first few but uh I think once my I guess maybe once the

Once we’re back from like Singapore State side I think more or summertime more kids will start coming out it’ll be fun yeah I thought Miami was pretty crowded in the loungees like everyone’s families were there I think DJ brought his kids yeah Lou brought his kids yeah seems like seems like everyone will

So yeah nice for joining us that’s a cool setup look at that you’re talking about faulty or me both I mean you guys got like real professional yeah yeah that it’s a live golf Wayne’s in her her her house and Singapore and I’m in my what used to be a carport in in

Hicksville Orlando and everything in the background uh Peter is not his it’s all that Hall of Fame stuff is not his it’s Karen the Bud Light Signs light sign the Bud Lights yeah yeah and then in the dark on the dart board right of course and the

Long board above it you bet there you go well Jerry pointed out something before we got on and we’re gonna dive right into it as I always do I just come in with a straight punch in the face with all of our players but Jerry pointed out that uh

Blame it on something along the lines of yeah well I’m going to talk about his driving stat how thought you te him up you do it no last year he hit it as long as anybody he was the longest guy on live that’s pretty impressive amongst those guys

This year it’s not exactly staying in the Fairway and no what was the recent stats are you’re tied for last in Fairways hit with a guy who hadn’t played in 12 years honestly that’s that’s an improvement to what I was expecting so I was expecting to be dead

Last yeah it is uh it’s short and crooked right now it’s not a good combo it’s a little it’s a little it’s a little rough off the box for me right now um mess I was trying I’ve always played like a a big Titleist head tsr2 I’ve always played the bigger ones and

Then in Hong Kong and Saudi I put a smaller head in to try and it just it didn’t work those are those are the good those are the places to do that yeah those two courses it didn’t work so back to back to bigger my guy uh my the guy I

Worked with is at the Players this week and so um they they brought some heads down for me and I’ll try them out before Miami so what was the thought the thought the thought was I was driving it so bad I might as well just try something totally different and yeah

That didn’t really work so I’m GNA go back to back to kind of what I know a little bit um I don’t know I I I don’t know it’s just it’s been a little bit it’s been a little bit rough start the year I

Know I played I had a good week in Vegas but I I was probably like plus 15 in putting or something ridiculous so that uh did it didn’t I didn’t really do anything that good in Vegas other than just putt so um it’s been a little bit

It’s been a little bit rough to start the year but if in Hong Kong on Sunday or Saturday Sunday it felt better I could tell it was feeling better so that’s kind of nice and then uh and then we’ll see how it goes in Miami I mean

The fact that you last year you you didn’t drive it as well as maybe you would like to but you still came in 12th on the on the um what are we calling it FY the the tables the league standings yeah the league standings thank you um

You came in 12 yeah even not driving it as well as you like to and and stuff I mean what what do you think the strength of your game is at the moment probably putting I’m I’m a pretty good putter typically um yeah I’ll say yeah wedging putting inside 100 yards I’m

Quite good I feel like I’m quite good um and then and then converting I I typically make a lot of birdies um yeah for me it’s for me it’s just get off the Box really it’s and give myself it’s not even really hit Fairways but at least

Put myself in a position to where I I can attack some holes even if it’s on you know if the pin’s on the right side of the green you know if I’m on the left side good angles kind of things like that so um for me it’s it all kind of

Comes down to putting and and wedging and if I do those well then I feel like I can kind of contend and and compete and make a bunch of birdies which which is what you got to do and in a 54 hole format I spoke to Zach your caddy I

Think this was in jeda when I was walking with you one one of the days and he said to me he goes your game really starts after you tea off I don’t know what that mean he goes like that’s where you shine basically he goes that’s where you you

Know you really make your golf great like once you get off the t- Box you figure it out and you you find a way to score from there which is what you just basically told us Z Zach and I talk about it like trust me I would love to

Like hit it just like dead straight like a lot of guys but like I don’t I don’t view myself as like a as a swinger of the club per se like I just view myself as a golfer and you know there’s more there’s always more than one way to skin

A cat so and I feel like that’s why I like when it gets like windy and tough and cold and even if it’s hot and windy like it kind of brings in the field a little bit from you know from an accuracy standpoint it kind of makes

Everybody kind of play the style of game that I play all the time so I I feel very comfortable when the weather gets tricky and windy and um I don’t know I just I it it’s just more of a natural feeling for me but yeah I mean I don’t I

Don’t typically play the like I’d love to hit it like Louis or Serio or those guys you know uh be efficient but that’s just not the way I play and um you know I just like to say I’m more of a golfer than a than anything is your game different now

Let’s go back 15 years and 4-0 at the Walker cup the next year you win the US amateur at Chambers Bay um is your game different now than when you were the number one ranked amateur in the world coming out of Oklahoma State and how I

I’d like to say I’m I’m a lot better I’d like to think that um I I think I think a lot of it is you know when we play golf it’s obviously it’s you progress right like there there’s es and Flows In the game but as long as you kind of keep

Evol keep getting better and keep developing and I feel like I’m a much smarter golfer now than I was back then um didn’t know things like in college like I didn’t particularly know any like distances with wedges irons anything just you know I just kind of just played and tried to

Shoot a score and then now it’s like I’ve kind of f tune to that a little bit better short games a little bit sharper putting I’ve always been a good putter been very fortunate um I’ve always been I’ve always puted really well and um just kind of little things like that

That I’ve kind of learned but that’s just kind of comes with it right like when I turned Pro um went over and played the challenge tour uh right away and then kind of just grew up you know in college you kind of in a little bit of a bubble

And you don’t really experience things and then when I when I turned Pro left chall tour a European tour and just kind of learned grew up and then just kind of developed my game that way and uh loved it absolutely loved traveling and and seeing the world and playing all these

Places and um felt like it just kind of helped me grow up a little bit which was nice and which is what I needed and from a golf standpoint I think my game just kind of matured with it and um I’m still trying I’m see obviously I’m still

Trying to get better still trying to learn and um that’s kind of it’s a never edate process with golf right so yeah uh your father is obviously a very influential person in the industry and your mom was a really good golfer herself yeah um from what I’ve read how

Influential have their roles been in your life in terms of decision to to go to something like a challenge tour and and throw yourself in the deep end to to actually mature and grow up and in in that way instead of staying in the US yeah

Um just a kind of like a conversation I had had with my Dad we were talking about U what I wanted to do when I when I turned Pro and things and you know I the guys I’d always kind of liked kind of Norman Norman was before my a little

Bit before my time but like the guys I like like Ernie and um and Adam Scott were kind of the guys that I always looked up to and um you know Norman was kind of the spearhead of that with those guys just kind of those guys were Global

Players but before they became stars on in the US and so you know I didn’t really view it as any different being an American I was in my mind it was kind of the just it was golf right so like it didn’t really matter to me where I was

From and my dad kind of we talked about it and we thought it would be a good idea and I had never really traveled the the world really uh I think I went down to Argentina once and and then went over and played the open um but other than that I had really

Seen anything didn’t didn’t know anything about the rest of the world and just was really interested in and um once I did it absolutely love traveling love seeing it still do so um yeah it was pretty it was it was fun I was I I tell people all the time that first year

On the challenge tour was probably the most fun I ever had playing golf going to some some crazy places and seeing the world and just kind of like because you obviously weren’t playing for a ton of money so it’s like you bunked up with a bunch of buddies and um I remember it

Was me and Brooks and guy named Scott Pinkney and my buddy colen was catting for me we’re all four of us in a hotel room in Russia together staying together St in Catholic Stan and um just kind of seeing the world just traveling together

It was it was a lot of fun and just definitely probably at the time was the most fun I’ve had since before joining Liv now Liv is probably the most fun I’ve had I blood love it so it’s been good you uh um obviously so hinted at your father

A legend in the industry the former CEO of a kushit which owns tius um and for as long as I can remember being a pro I mean your dad was there for a while did you have a choice what you were going to do with your life when you were a kid

Yeah yeah yeah I say that I say that half tongue and cheek though no I I my dad was my dad’s been my dad’s I mean my dad’s been great you know he he he let me be my own man early um he kind of didn’t really he

Didn’t push me towards anything I mean my favorite sport is baseball I love baseball I I was before I jumped on I was I was rewatching a spring training game with the angels and the and the Royals if that tells you anything so I love baseball I I got watch it all the

Time so that was kind of where I what what my interests were was baseball but I just loved gol and obviously it’s in my it’s I think at this point it was it’s in my blood and my mom’s my grandfather my mom’s dad was the head

Pro at Woodmont for 30 years so it’s just kind of in it’s just always been in our family and uh he didn’t really push me to anything I I came to him at an early age being in Massachusetts um weather’s not great it’s not like Singapore and uh so it’s a Little’s not

Great either Peter no that’s not but it’s good year on the weather is Massachusetts it’s snow so I remember playing uh I think I was playing funny enough I think I was playing the Orange Bowl which was at builtmore I think I got and I know I got paired with Rory

The first round and he was just miles better than me and uh I think Olie Fisher was the second guy in our group but um I just didn’t feel like I could compete with them playing you know four or five months of year which is what the

The season was in Massachusetts so um so I went uh asked him what route I could do and then he they at the time IMG Academy was a was a pretty good Golf Academy and um at the time it turned out a lot of really good players so um that

Was that was kind of my decision was to go to a golf school year round and be able to kind of try and uh develop my game and and try and do it professionally a pretty I decided that when I was about 13 so I did it at

A pretty early age and um looking back on it like now that I’m a dad if my son did that I don’t know if I could let him go you know it’s it’s so funny you say that because I I said the same thing cuz I left when I was 14 I

Went to Australia for the same reason actually because I couldn’t we had at the time Singapore was such a young sport uh I’m not Singapore was a young sport golf was such a young sport in Singapore yeah and we only had like two or three Junior events and I’m like I I

Got to compete more play more and so I left Australia now I say the same thing I’m like there’s no way if if Casey was 14 that I would let him go to Australia no chance I don’t know if I could do it you guys are you guys are so driven I

Ran away once at 15 for about a week that as close as I got I’m serious I know you are oh we’ll get into that another time um Peter so so you talked about you know the time that you decided you want to turn pro the moment you knew you

Wanted to do this for a living but when was it for you when you knew I can compete I’m a worldclass player I’m going to be one of the best players in the world good question excellent yeah I mean I I feel like I’m still like I

Mean I view myself as a as a good player a very good player but I I want to get better right and like so it’s like it’s kind of dictated off results right so we live in such a result driven world and I you know I feel like when I when I

Content tend and compete and you know that’s that’s when I feel like like hey this is what I love to do this is what I enjoy doing and um I don’t know it’s one of those things like do I feel like I can cont I I do feel like I can contend

And compete with the best in the world right now and you know just having the opportunity to do that on live with guys like Rah and Brooks and DJ and those guys and compete and Cam and those are just good moments for me and um being

Able to do that on more of on a world stage is is what I which is what I want to do and um I think I mean early on I guess maybe it’s funny like because I went to college with Fowler and Rick obviously took the tour by storm early

On and then like but we played against each other and you play with him all the time and you’re like I can I can do this I can hang with him and so kind of early on I’ve always felt that and um now that you know it’s been about 15 years or so

Or 12 13 years since turn pro and um you know I just still feel like I’m just still trying to get better and compete and and and progress as a player and you know that that drive hasn’t really stopped so Caleb zat came out out of

College Hot Shot I mean one of the best play one of the best amateur players in the game formerly number one in the world amateur rank I know there aren’t that many spots in Liv so it’s not like a college kid can make that choice but if that choice were available to you

Coming out of college way back when um would you think you would have sought that same route that he took yes 100% yeah I mean to be able I mean look he gets to play and practice with John R I mean what better guy to learn from right

And then Tero as well I mean those are I mean that’s incredible um and then to have the Avenue of the Asian tour as well in the international series events to be able to travel and they’re and they’re not just in Asia right like they’re going to the UK they’re going um

They’re going all over Morocco yeah yeah yeah that’s right just played Oman should have known that so yeah they’re they’re going all over the world so for a guy like Caleb I think he’s you know he just turned I don’t know if he’s been playing but I’m

Sure he’s just kind of getting his feet wet a little bit and then I think in a year or two he’ll start playing a little bit more um David pu is a great like I I love what he’s done like he’s just gone everywhere and played every week and I

Love that I think for a kid that age and uh to be able to be with you know like someone like Sergio who’s done this for 30 years it feels like maybe I might be I might be selling his age selling his age a little bit there

But I don’t know maybe maybe 25 but you know for a guy like them to be for David to be able to learn from him is just amazing so um so seeing him going out and playing like he went to Malaysia won that got into the open like things like

That I think is just so cool um and then the be able to practice with those guys with Abe and and Sergio and so it’s just unbelievable for the development of these players and um yeah 100% would have absolutely done it if it was around

When you know when I was turning pro and um like I said I’ve always love traveling so to be able to kind of play an international schedule and then jump and play Asian tour stuff and um things like that is pretty is pretty awesome now if you were to give Caleb

Advice should he come to you for advice if you haven’t already you guys have something in common right you guys were both the number one amateurs you both didn’t really travel that much um right up to you leaving and traveling going to the challenge tour if you were to give

Advice to Caleb or anyone who’s perhaps in the same shoes as Caleb or thinking about doing the same thing what would you what would you say to them it’s a good question um I would tell him to play I think I think play like that’s I

Mean I try I’m trying to get Matt wolf to play like you know Matty’s a little bit older but like that’s what I’m trying to like just give him to play like I I love I love live I love the schedule but at the end of the day I

Mean 13 14 with the team event but you got to play more especially at that age you got to get up to 20 20 you know 25 26 I think my my first year uh on the CH I was still playing challenge tour I think you know I think

I went to I think I was gone for three months just playing I think I spent about five weeks in South Africa and then I went I played like some sunshine tour events and and then I think I went to India for two events and Dubai for a

Couple and so like I was just playing like I think that’s kind of the the best thing you can do for your development is just compete and uh you know regardless of where it is even if it’s just some games at home or you know we have minor

League stuff down here in the off season I’ll play and just just to just to compete and um I think for guys like that I think that’s having a place to play is is obviously the the hardest and that’s the trick right is to get somewhere and then you know joining Liv

For Caleb and David and those guys getting access to the Asian tour and the international series events is great so just to just to take advantage of that continue to play um like talking to James Pat a little bit about it and um P sorry I call him little

PE yeah it’s Riot Patt right James Patt so same thing I was just talking to him about just playing just go and play that’s that’s you know that’s the best thing you can do for your game and development is just play so um the access these guys have now is is

Incredible so um it’s it’s pretty cool you know in in Side Story in line with what you’re saying um because they’re basically two College Programs have turned out more uh successful professionals early in their career than any other and that is Oklahoma State and Georgia and I know Chris hack friend of

Mine I’m sure you know him and love him too I asked him one time what sets him apart from the other coaches and he wouldn’t give an answer I go what do you do differently and that’s the one answer he said he goes when the kids come to me

He goes you can have your coaches you can have your trackman you can have this you can have that I don’t care but when you’re on my time you’re going to be on the golf course because that’s where you learn how to be a good player not praon

But play so I I love that advice now uh what I was going to get out last time before old man cility uh came to you know kind of invaded the brain all right suan um was I was touching on you had early success uh came over when you

Finally came over like you’re Foreigner came back to the States got your status on the PJ tour in a year and you played really well that first year not so well the second year do you feel like for some strange reason now even though it’s not Apples to Apples because it’s live

Versus a PGA Tour record back then do you feel in any way like you might be playing the best golf of your life now is that part of the continual Improvement yeah yeah 100% I think there’s there’s a lot of things I think that kind of went into my struggles I

Think on tour um I I think I kind of picked up some bad habits pressed a little bit too much wasn’t happy um just a little like I at the end like I said before like I wish it worked out on the PG I really do like I I I enjoyed my

Time I wish it worked out it just it wasn’t for me um and I don’t think it was there was a little bit to do like I just wasn’t really happy um my wife and I kind of talked about it we hindsights

2020 do I do I wish I went do I wish I stayed on the European tour and I I probably do you know I I I wish I’d never left and um kind of preo right before Co I kind of had some stuff lined

Up to where I was going to go back to the European tour and play some events and try and get my card back and um I just wasn’t really as happy as I I felt like I could have been playing on the PJ tour it is what it is I mean there

There’s some guys who play in Europe and they come over and it just doesn’t work out it’s not it’s nothing negative towards them or or towards anything it just didn’t work out it wasn’t really for me and um I feel like I’m I’m I’m obviously in a much happier place now

But at the same time I feel like as a player I’ve gotten better like like I said I I picked up some really bad habits and um had to kind of rework it and went down played some corn events kind of was starting to play a little

Bit better and um kind of what confidence was getting there and then Liv obviously came around and um you know the O once the opportunity presented itself I felt like it was just something I couldn’t pass up and because because of the the scheduling and the traveling and getting back more

Internationally is just something I like and it’s just something I’m comfortable doing so um once that opportunity came up you know it’s funny I felt like even before that like I was starting to play a little better my results weren’t showing it but I could see that like

Things were trending and um so Liv kind of just came at the perfect time for me um I know you mentioned Brooks earlier uh you guys playing together back back in the day uh you’ve now had Bubba would be what your third Captain MH four third yeah third Captain well if

We don’t count the the 2022 year I guess you are Peter was Captain that’s right smash actually smash I was The Crushers I was The Crushers man oh you were Crushers I thought you were smash I was Crushers for one week and then Bryson took over

Oh I thought you were the fart cloud no I wasal I Cloud I like that the fart logo I remember that um and I know you have mentioned to me in passing that you know that those all three captains are so different MH could you maybe expand and share with us a

Little bit about how different they are in terms of like being on each of their teams you know um yeah I mean I I think DJ and obviously Brooks and I like we go way back have a good relationship with him um we get along we have the same we’re

Similar we’re similar Styles Sim the way we play is similar and um just similar demeanor on the of course same with DJ DJ’s DJ’s such a great guy to like to to be around and both those guys were very helpful like anything in golf asking questions um same with Patrick Reed um

Just being able to talk to those guys has been has been tremendous and um was great and uh Bubba we’re we’re it’s just new right like I never really I never I never had a conversation with Bubba until the day I got traded or the day

After I got traded I was first time me and him had ever spoken really so I think we’re just still trying to kind of feel each other out a little bit it’s a new new environment for him new team and um so it’s been a little bit of a

Learning curve I know we haven’t played as well I think as a team as we would have liked but um you know it’s been it’s been different for sure you know there he’s definitely different than than Brooks and DJ so um like I said I think we’re all trying to kind of feel

Each other out at this point and hopefully we’ll start playing a little bit better what was your reaction when you got that phone call to get traded my reaction was I my re I thought he was kidding um so yeah I was I was putting I was about

To put Tucker to bed I was making him a bottle and Colin who was with who works for the Four Aces called he was in town and he’s like hey I’d love to come by and see it I’m like no it’s 7:45 at night like no I got to put my son

Down and so I was he’s like man I wish I didn’t do this over the phone and I was like joking like go what you trade me and he’s like yeah I did I was like oh did you and so and he’s like oh I

Was like I I was like where did you where did you trade me to he’s like to the range goats and I was thinking I was like it was for Harold wasn’t it and he goes yeah I was like huh so Harold and I had actually played in Hong Kong

Together in November month or two prior and he was asking about he’s like I’d love to get on the Aces and I’m like dude there’s no way you can get on the aces unless because I knew Pat was coming back per wasn’t going anywhere and I was like the only way you’re

Getting know on the aces is I get traded for you and then sure as I get traded and I’m like huh I wonder if I put that into the universe so that’s kind of how that happened it was it was yeah it was a shock I didn’t expected it’s not like

You know because then immediately both the pths you know they’re Cal me and you know they’re they they thought I wanted to get traded and it just it’s like no it just it just happened that way and I didn’t ask for a trade and um it just

Just kind of worked out that way I’m happy I I’m happy I feel like it I feel like it’s all kind of worked out where guys kind of should be where they are I think at this point and um you know I didn’t know the Taylor Wolf trade was in the

Works um until maybe the couple days lat later I think Bubba kind of told me and um so yeah it’s been it was definitely an interesting offseason for sure and it’s it’s good for the league right like it’s stuff like that it’s good for the league and I know there’s a trade

Deadline coming up and there could be some movements there as well so um stuff like that is oh I don’t what are we hear I don’t hear anything but I think but look at the team look at the team you have now I mean it’s just there’s just so much

There was a ridiculous amount of team Talent on the Four Aces obviously but there I mean you get Apples to Apples now with the guys with your team now that’s just the potential is is unlimited I think a couple guys haven’t even seen their best play yet yeah I

Mean that’s that’s kind of how it is right it feels like it’s just potential at this point like you know we haven’t really strung anything together these first four events but um but just playing in the practice rounds you can see like someone like Thomas like from

Where it was like Maya Koba to where he was the practice round in like Hong Kong like it’s just so much better it’s just sharper you can tell and um he’s starting to practice a bit more play a bit more at home and all this stuff because the weather’s getting a little

Bit better form him in Belgium and so you could see it’s trending in that direction which is nice and um you know wolf be’s obviously Beyond talented um his is just kind of we just got to work on those six inches in his ears there

And um but I think once he kind of figures that out as a golfer let sky’s the limit I mean finished runner up at the US Open at 21 or something and won right out of college so I mean the kids kids ridiculously talented we just got

To we just got to hone them in a little bit and um you know and obviously Bubba is a two-time major winner and still long as can be and you know our whole practice round I feel like I’m the shortest one in the group so it’s it’s

It’s been a lot of fun um I want to go back to to you talking about rooming with Brooks and then obviously you played on his team and then after that you also got into a playoff with and jeda MH um what any good stories any good stories about Brooks you know your

Experience with him um has he always been the same way as he is now you know back when you were really in a motel yes he’s the exact same he is the exact same kid and uh no he’s great I mean we we we stayed in a room together in in

Nairobi Kenya um Kazakhstan Finland like we we UK we we stayed everywhere together and um Russia um India so we did it we we stayed in all these places together and um he’s the same guy just who his confidence believes in himself absolutely 120% and uh he was like that back then

And he’s the exact same now so um it’s happen like I was yeah thrilled with all the success he had it’s been it’s been incredible to watch and um from a from a game standpoint he’s obviously gotten a hell of a lot better uh but he was still

Very good he was he was he was still really good and um just kind of just fine-tuned little things and obviously took it to the next level dominating in Majors but um you know he just has that kind of that that mentality where he just he believes he’s better than

Everybody and and um you know walks the talk so it’s it’s pretty impressive and it’s awesome to see when uh when I’m G to change subject a little bit back little bit of politics not a lot I’m F firmly convinced that there’s a deal and there’s a deal

Imminent between Liv and the PJ tour and I don’t have any knowledge for that other than just a read on the situation and Jay’s words yesterday I didn’t know he had actually flown uh to meet with Y officer along with the SSG people in January that’s that’s pretty telling I

Think there’s a deal I think it’s going to be done I think it’s going to be done soon if indeed that happens and uh and there is a peaceful coexistence and and an intertwining of the two entities how many more tournaments would you play if allowed if you were

Invited um probably not many um probably not many to be honest with you I I think I’m what I personally like you know I love love live love the schedule and then I like to play some internationally like I I just don’t I’m not overly interested in playing some like but

Like you know there’s an event like in the Dominican Republic I’d go play that one like I know it’s like a small opposite f one but I’ll go play it you know Mexico Vidant like I’d go play that one you know but yeah I’d go play those

But I’m not it is funny to me like I might get in trouble if you’re saying this but like I always see quotes from guys who are like oh these guys need to do this if they want to come back to the tour do this do this I’ve not seen a

Single lived person be like I want to go back and play like yeah I’m sure like like guys have come out and been like oh I want to play one or two events here and there but like no one’s come out and been like I want to play a 15 event

Schedule so I don’t I don’t know where some of that’s coming from and I just don’t see how I don’t see how guys are going to be able to play 14 Live Events and then 15 PGA Tour events and then Majors you know like that’s just play that the thing I could see

Happening though like if you do think there’s a merger happening and and and it does happen then like events like you know like say like let’s just just say for example the John Deere is like you know it’s not an elevated event so maybe guys can come back and play events that

Aren’t elevated and so you know if like the John Deere if like Bryson wants to go play the John Deere what’s you know why not why can’t he go play you know he’s won there before the event might want him and he might bring good Fanfare to the event and

So I think that kind of stuff couldn’t exist you know we I don’t think they’ll allow guys to come back and play 15 events or I don’t think they’ll even allow them to play seven Events off invites or whatever maybe they’ll can play two or three and it’ll be non

Opposite field event or not excuse me non-elevated events and things of that nature so um I I think that that could possibly happen I I do think the the the thing that’s been lost in this whole Shuffle I think is the European tourah and I I partially feel more attached to the

European tour then or the DP World Tour or whatever and um I feel more kind of attached to that tour and I’m curious to see what’s going to happen there I don’t feel like their merger has gone maybe as well as they would have and they’ve been shafted and you know

Absolutely hos yeah so I I’m curious if there is something that can be worked out with live the European tour maybe the Asian tour and international series events maybe kind of something coexisting within that world and then kind of the PGA Tour kind of just kind of doing their own thing domestically

And um so that that could be an option and that could kind of maybe solve some guys Quests for world ranking points since live is kind of pulled out of it so we need world ranking points yeah what are your thoughts on that don’t need them I mean I’m about thousand I’m

About a thousandth in the world I could care lot at this point so yeah I mean I think this was I think they should have done it a year ago personally and me too I agree I told Greg that actually yeah but but it’s that’s a pointless argument now it’s

It’s over it’s done with I I like what Joy the guy who writes for a lot of the um Asian Tour golf the guy from India Joy I can’t pronounce his last name it’s got 12 syllables yeah um he wrote It’s like maybe some of the smaller tours

Should consider the same thing because every rule change from the owgr and the last the last three or four rules changes they have only benefited the PJ tour and now most recently the corn fairy tour and it’s taken away from every other International tour why don’t

They all just say you know what just leave us out if it’s GNA be a FedEx Cup ranking which essentially it is just just quit hiding it I agree with that but they nerfed the European tour pretty hard even Japan like I think back then you could win like three times maybe get

Top 50 in the world or something and now I don’t think it’s even possible for them and uh yeah I mean they’ve completely nerfed it unfortunately but um nerfed it I like like that expression nerfed it I like that that’s a new one for this old

Man um all right so we’re gonna lighten things up here you said before that you there were areas of your game that you’re always looking to improve there always things that you’re trying to get better at right um let’s say now we have 54 well including you so

53 uh guys on live if you were to pick each area of a game from each player who would it be does that make any sense I think I’m making sense no that makes sense um who would you want to drive like who would you want to hit your

Irons like short game putting and mental uh Brooks mental um putting cam that’s pretty easy well you’re pretty good so I thought you would say yourself yeah keep your putting really good yeah short game probably P Reed P Reed’s nasty he’s absolutely nasty around the greens um wedging I’ll take myself wedg this

Like pretty good there um irons yeah it’s a toss between probably Sergio and yako I think I think they’re both pretty spectacular steni sorry Taylor gu gu yeah yeah I was I was have his teammates with Taylor in college that was not what I remember calling him

There yeah should call him that from now on yeah I might he’ll be like what the no no Taylor no Taylor’s n Taylor’s unbelievable putter too I think he’d be he’d be in contention there with Cam um driving driving Bryson Bryson or DJ DJ’s DJ’s DJ’s really good yeah very un very

I don’t want to say he’s underrated he’s obviously unbelievable but like DJ DJ doesn’t really ever really miss it off the tea it’s pretty impressive did you ever do the math on that Pebble in the in the bunker at Jetta in the last playoff W my dad did but I can’t

Remember he I had it about $6 million that day million yeah he was like man that’s an expensive rock or something like that no my dad’s funny with stuff like that he very very cut and dry um yeah I think he might have texted me that day

Too that’s right yeah yeah so we started the interview with a punch we ending it with a punch we’re so nice he’s never coming back to this podcast yeah the meantime he made him blush with his college teammates nickname yes yeah yeah okay can we maybe ask one final question yeah one final

Question what’s your definition of success that’s a great question um I think it’s it’s varied right like if you look at it from winning and losing there’s only ever One winner at the end of the day right so you know result you can be very result based or you can be

Process-based and I feel like I’m process-based and perfect example is like Hong Kong like I didn’t didn’t my results were terrible but I felt like I was getting better and I felt like the game like I could see results getting better so I feel more conf like I feel much more

Confident going into Miami because of the process like I could have gone out played felt terrible played terrible finished higher but my confidence would have been a little bit less if that makes sense you know so at the end of the day there’s only ever One winner you

Know there’s going to be there’s 54 guys only one guy’s going to win and so if you’re living your life based on winning and losing you’re GNA kind of you’re G to fail more than you’re going to succeed so I I think for me personally

It’s just process and so it’s like if I can hit certain thresholds or or feel good or improve in certain areas that I feel like I’m getting better at then you know it’s just going to kind of that continue growth of getting better is is what you’re trying to do and you know

You living in a world where it’s just result based will drive you insane and so um for me that’s kind of what I define success is is if I continue to feel like I’m getting better each time I play awesome stuff awesome thank you Peter we’ll let you go nice and deep

That’s awesome that was a deep question that was that was that was awesome question but that I mean we don’t but but then he can now go to sleep thinking about his definition of success there you go should have said lay down on the

Couch it is past my bedtime to be fair I don’t know what time yeah we’ll let you go uh thank you so much for your time Pete always appreciate you uh we’ll see you in Miami on your side of the pond there you go cheers guys all right see you take now bye

I love Pete he is one of those guys that seriously does not take himself too seriously and he will be the first to make fun of himself yeah it’s it’s he’s such he’s so much fun honestly to be around and talk to love it I have always

Gravitated in my in my 61 years of of archaeology living as as I am a bit of a fossil I have always gravit away from yourself that much credit I’ve always gravitated away from egos in my entire in my entire professional life in my entire personal life I’ve always

Gravitated away from OS and I always love being around the people who don’t take themselves too seriously what they do too seriously or life too seriously and he fits all three of those categories yeah I remember when I interviewed him was it uh Maya COA

2023 and I think he had made a big number was it the 11th 12th 12th yeah the 12th and I think I asked you know what he would have done differently he goes skip the 12th and this wasn’t a live interview it just but that just

Shows kind of his personality and who he really is you know I mean he’s just lost a tournament you know he was in contention he messed up a hole made a big number he hit a small bucket of balls off the tea he hit it left and then hit provisional after provisional

Trying to find that Fairway and it was unforgiving hold the 12 and the funny part is I ran into him for the very first time myoba driving around the cart during a practice round this year and he’s walking off the 11th green I’m like oh this is this and it’s his first

Time seeing the 12th hole he just looks over he goes FY came to witness the scene of the crime I’m like I’ve never talked to him about it since then I’m like did you just not want to walk back and hit another because he’s he’s taken

Relief 100 yards off the te in the middle of the forest taking a penalty shot and chipping it out to where he could go back to the tea and hit his third shot five iron pass it and he and he told I’m not going back to that te I am not going

Back yeah yeah I I think he said to Don there’s no way I’m going back to that t box uh but then didn’t you see him at the next scene of the crime um in jeda was it on the 18th next time I saw him jeda driving along the car and there he

Is on the green at 18 I’m like holy Christ I think it was about well the the the the pebble and the bunker which ultimately led to him losing the playoff to Brooke um it was it was over as soon as that that bunker shot went in the

Water he caught a pebble between the ball in the face he would have finished he had a chance for um second in the bonus pool third with the individual right yeah no second and the individual which brenon Grace ended up getting he had a chance for that but that cost him

So that is four million right there and the difference between winning the tournament and finishing second which is four versus two uh 2.4 five or something so you five and a half almost $6 million doar for one Pebble one Pebble I know how many holes did they

Play that year do you remember four they play I think oh the third it was his fourth time on the hole I think the third playoff hole might have been the fourth playoff hole Yeah I don’t know I feel like his Vibe and like you said he

Has no ego you know and so he he of all people in those moments where it’s so painful you know it is so painful and he just lost a tournament and he did it again in myoba he still had a sense of humor about it you know he just feel I

Feel like he has his live in perspective does that make sense I totally agree and and you think of his upbringing I mean that has to come from Wan Tina has to because you know he was always the son growing up he was the son of the guy who

Runs titles the I mean the the Behemoth of all oems yeah um and they have I’m sure he didn’t struggle for opportunity obviously always had nice cloes clubs and he but he That You Don’t See you don’t sense that side of him if there is

If I mean you don’t sense that that was ever a part of who he was he had to have the most grounded parents ever to turn out the way he did Growing Up in a rather privileged and a family who earned enough money to lead a privileged

Life yeah yeah I love him and I I really hope to see him do really well this year he he definitely has the game for it if he can straighten out that driver find the Fairway and with that deadly putter that he has he’s definitely a chance to

Share um okay FY we didn’t get to talk about this at the top of the show but I wanted to hear your thoughts oh boy on what the world number one recently said this week Rah was talking I didn’t see any quotes Scotty Sheffer we do not refer to

Numbers anymore because we haveed ourselves from owgr speak a lingo okay well he just won the uh one of the best players in the world that’s in your backyard yeah yeah it was awesome it was awesome all right this is what he said and I want your reaction to

It because I really love it when you rent Jerry if guys want to go take the money and leave then that’s their decision I’m not going to sit there and tell guys not to take hundreds of millions of dollars if that’s what they think is best for their life then go do

It I’m not going to sit here here and force guys to stay on our tour but at the end of the day this is where I want to be and we’re continuing to grow what we’re doing and what they’re doing is not really a concern to me there’s a

Certain group of guys that aren’t getting any ranking points it was kind of the thing that you saw when guys went to live their golf games took a little bit of a hit just basically from a Strokes game perspective the world rankings I still think is a good ranking

System but it’s missing a few players for sure yeah no that’s complete I mean that’s fine I don’t I don’t have any issue with what he said just kind of head buried a little bit in the sand there toward the end that that the world rankings are working fine they’re not

World rankings they’re PJ Tour rankings he’s the number one PGA Tour player thus the number one there’s only four guys in the top 50 of those formerly owgr that aren’t PGA Tour members and they’re all four members of Liv two recently signed three being major winners within the last two years that’s

I mean it’s it’s comical if anybody anybody in the world of golf especially the PJ tour thinks that those rankings are are even every even a small percentage of those rankings are accurate they’re not they’re they’re awful and they they they don’t belong in golf anymore the majors are starting to

Realize that um there’s baby steps being made obviously with Wen being invited to the PJ and the Masters and those steps will get bigger because those Majors have a duty well above any kind of obligation they feel to J Monahan and the PJ tour and that duy is to their

Institutions and they will honor that in time and I’m sure it’ll be actually sooner rather than later but I also think a deal is going to happen um before we need to even address that yeah well I think J mon Monahan said something at the the Press I think

During Bay Hill I think it was right the bigor issue I had yeah go ahead I’m sorry go ahead no it’s okay I think he said something along the lines of we have to do it in negotiations aren’t successful when it’s out in public or something along those lines

Yeah he’s doing what he has to do yeah he’s doing I mean J Monahan what Jay Monahan is doing is it’s obviously baffling to a lot of people a lot of the members and you heard Xander shafley speak about it that he’s still the commissioner um but what

He’s doing is exactly that which he should do and he stated it is to try and put the PGA tour in the best position I possibly can now and moving forward um honestly uh obviously he’s admitted to having made mistakes and I think coming out in that that that anti live and

Empowering and and weaponizing families of 911 against us is something that he’ll regret forever and and he says he’s learned from the mistakes he made um but moving forward he’s trying to do the best he can I know that that uh the people behind our organization are

Trying to do the best to accomplish their objectives from from a uh from a business standpoint and I think there’s going to be a a a really a good I mean the one thing Jay said that I loved is we’re committed to uh GL globally growing the game of golf and I think

That is when it’s all said and done and all this smoke is cleared I think that is what we’re going to see is is a global impact on the game of golf and the communities that golf visits that we’ve never seen before yeah well I

Can’t wait for us to get to that point I almost wish that we could fast forward it because as I always point I think you know it’s the fans right the fans aren’t getting yeah everybody get them lip service don’t they everybody gives them lip service but they’re they’re totally

Not part of the negotiations yeah yeah yeah anyways on that note thanks for that Jerry that was always good you another round with FY last week I have to say was one of your best I hate to admit that but it was really freaking good dude it was good well on that note

Thank you so much for joining us this week if you like our podcast you can go and subscribe and you can find us wherever you get your podcast if you want to watch this whole thing on video you can as well I can find it on the

Live Golf Plus app as well as our live golf YouTube page for now FY I’ll see you next week same time same place back here on the zoom boxes back here on the zoom boxes yes that’s right um I miss doing this on site folks it me too I

Would love to do it I would love to do it sitting next to you every single week of the year but as sure as hell ain’t going to do that in Singapore so you need to move to floorida yeah all right anyways we’ll see you next week thanks for joining Bye