“I Protected David Beckham More Than He Knows” | Glenn Hoddle 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | Ep 11

Former England manager Glenn Hoddle joins Jeff Stelling to choose his greatest midfielders on the latest episode of the pod.

Which current Premier League star does he thinks still isn’t trusted by England management? Why does every team need a Declan Rice? And what was his reaction to the David Beckham documentary?

Glenn also explains why he dropped Gazza from the 1998 World Cup squad, reveals the real reason why Matt Le Tissier received fewer chances with England, recalls when a football legend tried to unsuccessfully man mark him and discusses why he thinks he was sometimes the recipient of criticism from the press.

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0:00 Intro
1:00 Podcast starts
2:30 Was Hoddle ahead of his time?
7:57 Hoddle’s inspirations
9:40 Spurs success with Ossie Ardiles and Ricky Villa
15:30 Getting man-marked by Johan Cruyff
19:40 Why he hardly played Matt Le Tissier
22:30 Managing England
27:50 Beckham’s red card vs Argentina
33:00 Hoddle’s thoughts on England’s current generation (Rice & Maddison)
38:00 Working with Arsene Wenger
41:30 Hoddle’s greatest regret and greatest moment

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“I Protected David Beckham More Than He Knows” | Glenn Hoddle 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 | Ep 11

Probably born in the wrong country at the wrong time the way the game’s played in this country now with the foreign influence of players and managers coming it would suit me down to the ground what he hasn’t got in an England shirt yet is I don’t think he’s got quite the

Approval yet when he gets the approval like he has at Tottenham when he does get that he’ll approval from the fans or the management or management management yeah but if that’s how David perceives it or his family perceives it I can’t stop that but fry under the bus no way I

Actually protected him in more ways than he probably knows actually hello I’m Jeff Stelling and this is football’s greatest each week I’ll be sitting down with a legend to discuss and debate some of the best exponents of the beautiful game the players that got you off your seat the

Hard men that made you wince and the moments that will stay with you for life today we’re going to talk about great midfielders with a man who’s definitely amongst the best there’s been brilliant Vision wonderful touch and a scorer of great goals he could even sing welcome

Glenn hoddle sing it who who who who had the better voice then you or Chris W oh without a doubt me so people who don’t realize you had a big hit single didn’t you with diamond lights we did actually Jeff yeah 1987 yeah both of us playing with the old

Mullets and um yeah we we we had some fun doing that it really was I’ve always loved singing I’ve always loved music I’m music mad I don’t think I’ve ever heard um an engine of a car I’ve ever had cuz soon as I get in that music’s on

And it’s loud it’s it’s brilliant so yeah but we had some lovely fun bit of fun just before we get stuck into things I should ask you how’s your health yeah now because you had that well I was going to say scare it was more SC wasn’t

It you know at the TV studios yeah no very very good actually um just take a few pills in the morning and in the evening to keep me ticking over I presume um but no I I was such a lucky man I really am to be here to have a c

CC arrest is a massive thing you got three minutes for somebody to to do CPR on you or get a defibrator and and Simon Daniel’s blessing was The Sound Manager at the BT Studios at the time saved my life that’s the reason I’m sitting here

So I owe him my life and obviously the surgeons what I had to have done and and whatever but no just feeling really strong really good and uh still playing my golf which is which is the main thing at the moment but no loving life at the

Moment well look we’re going to talk about other midfielders in a minute but I want to talk a bit about you first of all because um arson benger once called you the most skillful player he’d ever coached which is fantastic do you think that you were ahead of your time yes

Yeah if I’m honest I couldn’t say it when I was playing um because I 53 caps for England I’ve got every every one of them I’m PRI playing for your country probably born in the wrong country at the wrong time um the way the game’s played in this country now with the

Foreign influence of players and managers come in it would suit me down to the ground but we played in an era creative players it was very tough for us to to be strong and me you have to be mentally strong to stick to your guns and play like we did because of the

Style of play that we we had the balls in the air the pitches were poor obviously it was physical so if you got the ball down and try to caress it and try to play positively in a creative way you had someone that was going to try

And take you out of the game literally so it was tougher it was tougher so to play now in this era U would have been fascinating it would have been lovely I’d have enjoyed playing on them pitches but I enjoyed it anyway of course you know I think we’re we’re such a small

Percentage of people professional footballers but we’re so privileged we’re so privileged and and I’m I’ve always been grateful um to be able to kick a ball and play football for your career for your job and for me it’s always been a a labor of love really

I’ve I’ve Loved football since I was a kid it’s almost as I say in my book um it’s in my DNA it was in my DNA as a kid it chose me I didn’t choose football football chose me so I’ve I’ve loved it ever since just before we get to to talk

About you know sort of players who inspired you and Role Models just want to ask you a personal question um do you feel that through your life sometimes you’ve been not as a footballer but but as as a person misunderstood you know

Cuz I I look at some of the I go back to a time when we were in Champions League and one evening we we sat outside a Brasserie that was closing after the game had a couple of beers and we eating some crisps or snacks or whatever and

You telling some football stories and I just thought what a great bloke you know you you’d want to spend time with him and then you read stories of you know negativity I don’t know whether it touches on your faith or you know the fact that the the rumor that when you

Were a coach you didn’t didn’t you found it difficult cuz players weren’t as good as you just negative stories and and I just wonder whether you felt overall you were misunderstood yeah to a degree I was but I mean a lot of the stuff that that comes out on a personal level is

Doesn’t affect me at all certainly doesn’t after five years of having a c EES dying for eight minutes you know that’s that’s not a problem to me at all and it never really has but um on a football front I think I was ahead of my

Time as a player and I think I was ahead of time as a manager the things I was bringing in the way I thought about the game the way you know my first for instance my first um manager uh job was at swinden and straight away we played

Three at the back you know it was as if like it’s the wheel has been reinvented you know sort of nowadays it does make me smile you know a few years back oh oh they’re playing with three at the back that’s what we did when I first went in

Manager it was different I was different as a player and I think I was different as a manager and you can’t get every decision right as a manager of course you can’t as a player you can’t but I knew I was true to myself and I knew but

I don’t think that I’ve gone through an era where I don’t think people understood me in that sense um now would be a different story completely different story you know I look at that now but I I had wonderful times as a player and a manager I loved every

Minute of it um and wouldn’t change it for the for the Earth but you know misunderstood yeah as a footballer definitely as a person people don’t know you you ain’t worried about people that don’t they might make up stories about that are not true a lot of them are not

True but at the end of the day in football if you’re putting your head above the parit and you’re going to be a manager or you’re a footballer you’re going to get judged you’re going to get judged for XY Z or whatever and there’s a tribal certain fans and and

Journalists maybe have got certain look at certain clubs and whatever jealousy comes into it not being funny a lot of journalists want to be footballers and they can’t not just with me I’m talking about over the years I’m sure that comes into it as well and the club they

Support and they love all them things come in but it never really really bothers me cuz I know the person who I am my family and my friends know there’s the main people uh in my life really that’s important what happens outside is you cannot control that and you hear

People say that but it’s true the key to it is don’t let it worry you don’t let it have an effect on you you know I know the person that I am within myself I found myself many years ago um if you like Within Myself and that’s come even

More since what happened to me 5 years ago the things are happening to me in my life quite incredible on a spiritual level but that’s for me that’s my that’s my faith that’s my belief that’s me as a person but as a footballer yes I was

Misunderstood and I think I was ahead of my time and I think I was ahead of my time in football terms now thanks for watching football’s greatest on YouTube but can I ask you please to hit that subscribe button that way you won’t miss any of our future episodes and we have

Some great guests coming up on the show who were you sort of you know when you were first at Tottenham who were the people who inspired you the people you looked up to yeah I mean it’s a it’s a bit of a strange one actually because I

Think back when I was eight years of age my first dad took me to my first game at w Lane and although I was Spurs mad and Jimmy Greaves and and people like Martin chivers were playing in that era and Jimmy was special you know but my the pl

Two players were man united players obviously they won I was man united fan for a day when they won in’ 68 yes in the European Cup at Wembley best was everyone wanted to be George best besti was fantastic um but the player when I look back and had more influence on me

In a way subconsciously probably and the one that I really admired was Bobby Jon Bobby had two feet left and right foot midi scored goals from distance which I always did I didn’t score many in England I did in France but in the box but so I think his body swerve I

Remember going out in the garden in ‘ 66 and I think it was the washing mom’s washing pole the the laundry pole in the garden I dropped me shoulder like Bobby did you know both ways and hit shots against the garage door you know things like that so I think the

Influence probably Bobby Charon had a massive influence on me and he was a wonderful wonderful player yeah he he was there’s nothing he couldn’t do he scores goals from distance I think um you know we’ve talked bit before about and Bobby could sidefoot the ball yeah you know harder than most people could

Volley it things like that and and um and obviously a great man as well and I know you were you were ahead of your time I think everybody would agree with that but actually in some respects you played at a great time for Spurs didn’t you yeah because you played with a a

Couple of fellas I was going to say a couple of little fellas One little fell and one rather bigger fell who came over from Argentina which which you know sort of broke all the Norms really yeah it was such a shock to see them come they

Just one World Cup it wasn’t it wasn’t as easy at the beginning for me if I’m honest I got in the team at 17 which is Young you still learning your trade you ain’t got a clue really about the game you’re learning on the job to a certain

Degree and it was tough years Spurs we weren’t you know we weren’t doing great things we we got relegated and we came back up and that was the shock of Aussie had just won the and Ricky had just won the World Cup in 78 we just got promoted

Back into the first Division and suddenly I remember the news it come up on the news and I I nearly fell off me sofa it was like no this can’t be true they come you know watching them in the world cup and aie was such a unique

Player actually had little number one on his shorts if you remember our dealers because it was alphabetically he it was like a whip it on the football field he covered the ground so quick and I remember Ricky coming on against Peru I think it was second half and this big

Fellow with a beard and I said I remember saying to my dad Dad look at the size of this fellow look how skillful he is look how good he was going past people and and then I’m sitting there thinking you know what a month later they’re going to be my

Teammates it quite incredible really and it was such an exciting time for the club and you know for them two to come and to settle them in all the rest of the players were so excited it was like you know it was like Christmas Eve when

The day that we knew they were coming to the ground you know because I think people got to understand this was so far from the norm in those days you know foreign there were no foreign players around don’t even think was one was it no there’ been a law hadn’t there you

Know I think we only changed when you know we joined the col Mark or the EU or whatever it was that you had to have two years residency before you you could could stay and play here so that rule of been changed and then aie and Ricky V

Coming it was amazing and it didn’t click straight away it clicked with me because I suddenly I knew playing and training with them I was on the same wavelength with them and they were on the same we we didn’t speak the languages but we were when the ball came

Out we had the same language and it was wonderful you know as a young player coming in and that’s no disrespect to the other players that I played with in Midfield actually then but the these were on the same wavelength and it it improved me as a player and and I

Enjoyed my football even more and they wanted it on the deck and they wanted to play through the pitch and you know this was exotic stuff wasn’t it exactly on dodgy pitches but you know and rules that were and they found it to adjust at the beginning particularly Ricky and we

Didn’t jel as a team really until we had the great Midfield but I don’t know how it works sometimes we all let to work out we’re all creative players but until Crooks and Archie ball came up front and Mark Falco was a great I always say

About Mark cuz he came in and played two or three games and he could keep the level really high for a short period of time and then they’d come back in and then Mark would do his job big job so we had suddenly a forward line that that

Could actually put the ball in the back of the net after what we created cuz at the beginning it didn’t work we we got thump seven at anfield against Liverpool very good Liverpool side we got some thumpings we didn’t we it didn’t it wasn’t all hunky dory at the beginning

But during the 80s when we started to just get the strikers right and everything fell into place it was it was a team that was lovely to play in it was lovely to play in that in that team and going into games we would almost feel

Even if we weren’t going to play that well we’d win and that’s a wonderful feeling to have you you know as a set of players and a manager who had that feeling and fans and that’s what you get when you have that momentum in a club we

We’d gone through hard times for three years we didn’t it wasn’t like that in the late’ 70s but in the ‘ 80s it was like Wow we’ve got a team we know we’re good we’re going to put fear into opponents as well they’re going to have

To try and stop us not the other way around and then we we just Keith allowed us to go and play and um yeah it was a very very enjoyable time in in that period of time through the 80s and and obviously everybody will talk about the

1981 FA Cup Final I the H 100th FA Cup final which um I’m not sure how many people will remember the first game to be brutally honest but they’ll all remember the second game yeah I was it was incredible game of football yeah I mean the first game someone said we

Didn’t we knew we didn’t play as well as we could have done but Joe Corgan their goalkeeper still got man the match so we couldn’t have been too bad on the Saturday but the the re the replay was are just a classic game of football in

The sense of we go one nil up we go 2-1 down and we win 3-2 I mean you couldn’t plan it any better as a cut final and Ricky’s goal the third goal is is you know it’s um the slalem goal as I call it and I remember screaming at him about

Four times to hit it hit it Ricky and he didn’t he cut back in again and eventually he got the goal and we saw the game out but as a Spurs fan at eight years of age and the club had gone through those it was The League Cup and

And the uua cup back in the 70s and I was a fan and I was an apprentice when wed had success for some time so to walk up them stairs as a Spurs fan from eight years of age to lift that FA Cup which meant a hell of a lot back then

Don’t care what people say you know it was it meant a hell of a lot it was almost as big as win in the league it was the one live game on television it was massive and to actually dream about doing it and then doing it for my club

It was it was a wonderful wonderful feeling really was yeah let’s talk about some of the players that you played against um I’m going to start with Yan C so in the list of greats where would he stand oh in my opinion he’s he is right up I think I’d

Put him probably just just behind for me maradon maradon Messi and Pelle probably they’re the three real top top I and and yoan would be just Bey it’s tough to say just behind but he’s that he was that good I mean when you’ve got a skill named after you in World football and

You got a little kid on the you know on a 10 year I watch my grand my grandson now on a Saturdays or go training on T on a Thursday and you hear the coaches say oh you could have CED him and he’s only he’s only seven and then you know

They know the C skill so to have a skill named after you that you got to be special AR you to have that he was a wonderful player yeah and I know you played against him and I got quote from him where he he said of you he said you

Know I’d heard about you but I didn’t realize how good you were and I played against you and I think that’s lovely yeah he manm marked you didn’t he I can’t believe it we played F on the way to winning the UFA cup that year and um

I think there was a young rude hullet playing that game as well I think he was 18 anyway they whether it was to put us off or getting under our skin or whatever I think they knew we were a better team than them and and it said

That in the papers that Yan C was going to Man Mark me and I’m thinking oh that’s a load of rubbish that ain’t going to happen so I just turn up at the ground and whistle goes and blow me down we’re in possession on the far side of

The pitch and you a c standing next I go and make a run I thought and he he started following me and I’m thinking no this can’t be right Jeff I’m going this can’t be right he’s he’s one of the greatest players the planet has ever

Seen why would he why would I don’t know if it was Yan’s choice or the co is Cho I mean why would you do it anyway I thought right okay then let’s show you what we got and uh I had one of them games we were 4 n up by halftime i’

Every pass hit its buttons and i’ made four goals and created the and it was just incredible really I don’t know why they had that idea to do that and strangely enough they the coach must have said well we’ll release you off him at 4 nil half time and yoan scored in

The second half and they got back in the game it 4-2 in the first leg so um it wasn’t the best bit of coaching idea who ever came up with that idea really but but it inspired me to be honest to have somebody like that say

They’re going to Man Mark you and then then bloody well go out and do it I thought well you know what that’s I take that as a massive massive compliment but I’ve got to show up here I’ve got to prove that you know there’s a reason why

That that was been said and uh it was probably one of my best games for Tottenham yeah but he was a wonderful player I mean his change of pce as a the skill when he did the skill I remember me and my dad I’m sitting on my

Sofa now as a kid and when he did the C skill we just looked at each other and I said what did he do there and there was no replays as such there was one replay on it and I went out in the garden afterwards it was Pitch Black and I’m

Doing this C turn in the in the pitch black as a kid you know it was fantastic and the C actually skill isn’t too difficult but it was the dummy it was the actual body shape that he that he threw that he was going to cross the

Ball everyone in the stadium thought it everyone at home watching thought he was going to cross the ball and certainly the player who was up against him thought he was going to cross because he went out for a chalk ice and he just does this turn and he’s got five or six

Yard space and he puts the ball in and it was it was like wow it was a moment in time in football when you go what did he do then it was wonderful it really was what a player he was yeah yeah I had to make make a decision and I made that

Decision tried to explain that when you’re naming the squad and I knew it was going to go on deaf ears but Gaza was Gaza it was the saddest decision I’ve ever made actually see when you were a manager GL and obviously we look you know promotion at Swindon I think

Was cup run runner up wasn’t it at Chelsea and League Cup runner up at Spurs and so on and so forth a Rec this before aside from International Management but the clubs you were at then who who were the the real really skillful talented players that you admired in in your

Squads when you were managers when I was manager yeah cool yeah there’s so many different question answers I could give to that question actually Jeff because I could simply PL say I think one of the best I’m asked that question one of the best players I’ve coached was was Paul

Skulls Skol he was different class I loved him a bit he was such a good player clever playing four or five different positions and and play them at 9 hour out of 10 um so he was appreciated in some ways more by people like yourself and managers maybe when he

Was playing maybe than than the general public they appreciate him now but but maybe not so much then yeah I I saw things in him that that I didn’t see in other players you know and he as I say he had other positions he could play

He’s a very astute player well as his techniques and his passing uh and his ability you could play him as a man you could play him in people ask me people ask asked me and I think Tiz was a fabulous footballer I love watching Tiz

The goals is and they would say why did you not play Tiz my answer actually is po skulls because I had po skulls that could play off the front he could play as a second Striker he could play on the left hand side of a four at times when

We had to do reshape the back three which I can’t go into details cuz but he’d do it and then he’d go off the front he was clever enough so that is the reason why he was such a good player and he could play in so many different

Positions and give you so much could play in the end deep in the fourth in the center of the pitch and spray the ball about he was a wonderful player he really was and and I I could see what he could give us as a as as a manager

Because I had that Vision as a player and I knew Tiz was a fabulous player absolutely Genius of a player and and couldn’t he could only play in the one position really that was that was that was the situation as it was um but Paul was a special special player for me he

Really was so England um well let’s talk some of the players Paulin I remember I think it was the game in Rome wasn’t it where you know we’d had to go and get a point and he’s covered in blood the shots of almost very butcher likee you

Know got a great story on that but I can’t say it oh come on no I can’t I can’t it’s for Q&A or something like that yeah with that with with him getting stitched and whatever blah blah blah but no iny was a wonderful player

He played in Italy and and we were going you know into into the lions then it was like Gladiator you know 90,000 Rome stadium and um we had a very good team we had a very good team and they had a very good team at Zola and Maldini and

And they hadn’t lost for a long time but it was that was a Titanic performance it really was from the players um they uh they put in some performance there cuz we we’re a team that were growing and a lot of people respected that we kept the

Ball I remember Frank John Franco coming up after the game and saying well we beat them in the lonoa the year before we beat them well we totally outplayed them in in in NT in that Lon which was before the World Cup and he came up and

He said wow he said I’ve never seen an England team pass like that and we really did and so going into that game then a year later we knew you know we had to get the point we had to get a point so we knew the result was important but the way we

Played as well we went toe to- Toe with them and and we had the players and the characters and the experience to do it and uh that was probably as good or England per performance um than you’re going to get actually certainly in my management

Um the Argentina with 10 men for so long was a a Titanic performance as well be honest but that going into the lines then as I say and having the character and the mentality to go there and and and be as strong as we did and sometimes

Take the ball away from them they couldn’t get near the ball so it was it was a really really I remember sitting watching that Glenn and the thing that struck me was this wasn’t just you know Gallant back to thewall Englishman was it it was nothing like that you know it

Was it was playing them inste playing them off the park but certainly deserving everything that we got yeah we set a system up which was good um and and allowed us to pass that’s why that’s why three at the back was always close to my heart you know even from the

Swinden days even going to Eng I I remember being having being at 53 caps of which most of them games when you’re playing against top Continental Teams International level we were chasing we were so rigid in our 442 we were chasing the ball half the time then when we got the ball our

Energy levels were low cuz we’ve been chasing it cuz they had five in Midfield nine times out of 10 whether it was Wing backs or whether it was five and one up front similar to how everyone plays now but we were we were chasing shadows and

Then when we had it we had no options because we were too rigid in the way we played and that’s how we played in in the 80s what we achieved was a miracle really with with what we had as a we should have been coached better quite

Frankly um but that’s how it was and I thought when I got that job I didn’t dream I’d ever be England manager but as soon as I got it I thought there’s no way I’m allowing my teams to play and get outnumbered and that’s why we played three at the back

It was it was offensive reasons not defensive reasons you have to know what you’re doing defensively of course you do but it was to have that extra to have that five men across the Midfield to win the ball back and to play with and options on the ball and keep our English

Two up front in Midfield obviously you didn’t pick TI for the 1998 World Cup you know what’s coming next don’t you you didn’t pick Paul gascoin either how how difficult a decision was that no Gaza I’ve gone on record and saying and I went on record and depressed him no

One wanted to know what the what the truth is Gaza only didn’t go because of his injuries simple as that he he had been carrying in two injuries a knee in a c right the way through the season he was up at middlesbor and that’s the thing as

A manager of England you you’re leasing the car it’s not yours you’re only leasing it every 10 days for 10 days you play a game they go back so you’re not in control and and Gaza needed to be controlled with them injuries nothing nothing to do with his play he played in

Every game he was fit for me in the qualifiers why wouldn’t I take him he last game I he had to prove his Fitness and I left it to the last game Morocco and he got wiped out by the number six and I said look guys just play one two

Touch just get through the game and he went on a little dribble and he got wiped out and he had a hematoma so he had the car the knee and the hematoma which was going to be at least three weeks I was told so I had to make make a

Decision and I made that decision because it was an in it was injury that that that that I couldn’t take him simple as that tried to explain that when you’re naming the squad and I knew it it was going to go on deaf ears

But you know it was Gaza was Gaza but um that was the reason so it was the saddest decision I’ve ever made actually not the toughest not the toughest by any means really the toughest was letting letting youngsters go at Swindon that weren’t going to be given contracts

And then breaking down in your office and I’d only been a manager 6 weeks yeah gaza’s one was the saddest one I had to make but you know no one wants to hear that they were oh we got a story here this is Gaza and I knew that was coming

And as a as an England manager as I said you have to you can’t listen to the noise outside you can’t the no you can’t let the noise affect you with your decisions and there’s only a handful of people that will understand that G’s one at the moment and there’s others that

Have been England managers but if you try and do that you’ll put yourself in a mental home if you’re trying to keep everyone happy in the in in in the England job we talked about Rome and and and that performance and you said the only one

That maybe matched it was with the 10 men um against Argentina in in the World Cup up fact just take you back to can you remember what you were thinking on the touch line as David as David Beckham gets the red card well I I I can tell you exactly what I was

Thinking so when it happened I saw it and I thought oh David what you know it was like a reaction that you would what are you doing and I’m thinking for myself you might get booked here I remember it oh he might get a yellow here never dreamt never dreamt in a

Million years is it was going to get a red it’s not a red card it’s just simply not a red card if you gone over the top of the ball or whatever but you know flippantly flicking the leg out and then making into something of course that’s

What they would do at that level but no it was I I’m standing there now I can visualize myself there I’m thinking we might get a yellow here I was as shocked as anyone when I see the red come out I was like oh you

Are kidding me it was one of them it was an injust decision and we near and let’s fight it was Golden Goal we we I thought we’ve gone through when when Soul scored the header that was the most emotional scenario I’ve ever experienced in football to celebrate cuz some bright

Spark had said about gold and goal baby if you remember stupid rule that was but anyway it was what it was and we thought we’d done him and it was a foul on Alan again the referees it was a foul on Alan Sher of pushing he said not not so and

We’ve got five players celebrating we’re all celebrating think we’ve the miracle and suddenly I look over and they’re running down the right wing they’re playing we’ve got five players in the corner flag celebrating can imagine the roller coaster of emotions I went through no wonder i’ a cardiac arrest years

Later but no and and we cleared it and so that performance really was was spectacular but I can I didn’t dream David was going to get a red card I thought it was a really poor referee indecision yeah I said that after then and obviously the the reaction against

David in this country after time we look back at it you know a lot of people should be ashamed of themselves really shouldn’t they but you’ll be aware of the the the Beckham documentary and and the allegations that you sort of threw him under a bus what’s your reaction to

That well I haven’t seen it I haven’t seen it nor have I and I probably won’t see it because I know what went on it’s it was um not like that at all I think I was thrown a a mic under me on the side of the pitch

And I think it was if I remember rightly I haven’t seen the documentary but I know I I went to a press conference in France after the game and said exactly the opposite I said we David cannot be made a scape I’ve seen that conf is not

Right you know I I presume that’s not on the the dock I haven’t seen it but you know um that’s what that’s where I was coming whether going down to 10 men did it influence the result yeah of course it might have done because you go down

To 10 minut it’s pretty obvious to anyone lame would tell you that um but no so thrown him under the bus no no way it’s almost as if it’s the opposite isn’t it that you’ve been thrown under the bus really I remember that press conference where you specifically

Appealed for people him not to be made a scape goat absolutely my my daughters have seen it and they sent that to me and I said look I’m not going to try and why try and you know what happened to me 5 years ago these things don’t matter

Anymore they don’t matter to me you life’s too precious to I hope David’s you know film goes really well sure it will he was a wonderful player for me fabulous player one of the best England’s had and um and by all accounts my Zoe said um yeah but Dad his mom I

Said oh dear his mom of course his mom’s going to defend him imagine my her Nan my mom was fierce as any if anyone said anything against me when I was a player oh my word so absolutely no problem my mother would have been ex if you bumped into

Him now would you be okay with him yeah course so I got no reason not to be I mean I mean um people forget things and it’s slightly different but if that’s how David perceives it or his family perceives it I can’t stop that but I actually went out and did the opposite

Way I remember phoning him afterwards and asking if he wanted help I got people that he said no I’m okay the club’s helping me blah blah blah maybe he’s forgotten that I don’t know but I remember that distinctly so it was a it was a dreadful time for him and and he

Showed such character not about his abilities but to come through that and show the character that he showed and the mentality to come through it and and then see the rest of his England career was was magnificent from the lad it really was because um that is that is

The test of a character of all test really to you know how people reacted but find him under the bus no way I actually protected him in more ways than he probably knows actually I do hope you’re enjoying the show I just want to tell you that you can follow us at at

Footballs great pod on Instagram Tik Tok and Facebook and search for football’s greatest pod to find us on X when I to bring you back to the the modern day you know we talked about some of the players that you had at your disposal as England manager um European championships coming

Up and then World Cup and England have got you know Jude Bellingham and Delan rice and James Madison and Jack greish you know and Harry Kane still in you know PE peak of his SW is this a squad that you would expect to win a European championships

Or to win a world cup under Gareth can you expect is probably the wrong word yeah listen it’s a tough one they’ve got the players they’ve got the offensive players as well it’s not because of defensive reasons some squads you go and you look at you go oh they’re going to

Be hard to beat Italians if you like over the years gone by but we’ve got front foot football we’ve got all them players you mentioned there great offensive players and I think GIS done a wonderful job he’s taken us up levels from where they were and we’ve got a

Group of players that are capable of winning the Euros we got a group of players that are capable of winning a World Cup at this level now World Cup level and you’re it’s not as that it’s not that easy it’s not as easy as that because you got the best Squad doesn’t I

Think that we’re the best probably got the best Squad in the world actually um with the Envy of other countries where we’ve always had an Envy about the Dutch at some stage who didn’t do what they should have done over the years with the talent they had and

France when they’ controlled it and Spain and blah blah blah I think we’re in that we’re in that seat at the moment I really do Dean race what do you make AIC player every team needs a Dean rice they might not need a certain other player if you like but every team needs

A Dean rice because he’s he’s he’s got that ability now to receive the ball playing a deeper position make the team tick a little bit like rodry does for City so important for City I think deand is is is showing that he’s got a lot of ability he’s going to get better and

Better in that position I think there’s a little bit more for him but I think for England he’s going to have to play if you got Bellingham if you got a foden and mad you know you’ve got to have a balance in that Midfield and he’s a

Great balancer offer as well as somebody now who actually for arsal is going to get more up the pitch but for me playing for England is the perfect balancing off play to have everyone around him but he can use the ball he can see forward passes that player needs to have good

Vision and and and Dean’s got that he’s now putting in if there’s space in front of him he now drives with the ball as well at times certainly at Club level whether he would have to do that in England maybe it will happen and it has

To happen but no he’s an all round Midfield player that that every team needs yeah and and as a Spurs man you must be delighted at the impact that James Madison’s made yes yeah uh listen I I said about Madison three years ago I wish he’d gone to Tottenham then and

Played with Harry Kane to be honest but for me he was ahead of him and foden for me were the foden’s a great play but I’d have had him in there a lot earlier ahead of Mount ahead he’s a better player than than a lot of the players

That have been given more chances he’s he’s a he’s a 10 he’s a real 10 that can open teams up um he’s got ability to score goals he’s ability to create goals he understands the game he’s going into his Peak so defensively he knows what

The team need from him so at the moment I think you know he’s he’s ripe and he’s got that little bit of difference that ability to change a game what he hasn’t got in an England shirt yet is I don’t think he’s got quite the approval yet

When he gets the approval like he has at Tottenham when he does get that he’ll approval from the fans or the management or management man yeah he doesn’t he doesn’t feel I can tell you now cuz I had the same problem he doesn’t feel quite at home he feel as

If he’s still proving every game and for a number 10 for you can do that fullback or a center back you can get away with that but when you’re a number 10 you got to be creative that’s the toughest thing if you think still got to prove myself that’s when it’s

Tougher adds on loads of chains on your on your shoulders so it actually represses you from playing but when he’s playing free free with the freedom and he hasn’t he’s not ever thinking I wonder if if I play this I got to play this well to play in the next game if

You take that off him then you’ll see the very best of him and I think he’s topnotch I really do look Glenn just to finish off I want to do a quick Fire greatest with you okay so I’m going to ask you to name 10 great people or

Moments from your own career right okay here we go your greatest manager or coach I’ve got to say arson okay I think arson Wenger for me he was ahead he was ahead you know and I think they were in France and abroad to be honest um on on

So many uh different angles of it made you think that you were um complete football was about the mind the body looking after yourself d d the warm Downs the stretching everything it changed the ear but it was it was the same I went see I had a taste of that

Before over there so when he went to Arsenal I knew what was going to happen and I thought I looked at a few of the players and I thought well good luck with that one AR but they but they listened and learned and then they went

On and done what they did so fair dues to them players so arson arson was excellent yeah so some tough ones here I’m guessing your grest teammate oh it’s got to be Aussie I think aie Aussie grest opponent oh Mar maradon okay maradon without his hand your greatest go Glenn I can’t

Split I get asked that a lot and I can’t split the two goals the volley at Manchester United at whiteart Lane um which was just off the cuff and Aussie played it a little bit back to me higher so it made it look more spectacular and

And I had to jump and I’m in the air and a volley across Gary back and then the chip at Watford the chip at Watford come from nowhere really I weren’t playing particularly well that day got to say I was having a bit of a shocker but it

Just came from nowhere that goal it was a wonderful goal yeah your greatest match I think it’s got to be there’s two actually the replay in the FA Cup in ‘ 81 I look back on that watch that one day years ago and I thought wow okay

That’s probably one of my and the fno game against c yeah uh your greatest Maiden football I was very close with rxy Gran RX when we were 18 and you know very I hav’t seen him he was at my Academy with me great coach by the way

Fabulous Coach so Graham was was growing up was although we were a Tottenham Arsenal and on the pitch with kick lumps out of each other but Graham was a good friend of mine Johnny Gman obviously my assistant and at different clubs in England and um and yeah I think you can

Ask me about Paul Miller but he was my roommate yeah yeah okay yeah we’re going to get to him then let’s do him next your greatest roommate pauler Maxi Maxi Miller we had yeah apprentices together and and uh spent a lot of time with Paul

Yeah Maxi he’s a he’s a he’s a character Great Character made good made a good cup of tea as well your greatest roling which I guess is one you could have either given out or received yeah it’s true yeah what what that technical area does to you as

A manager it’s incredible uh Rin I’m trying to think back well I I don’t know about yeah there’s been some ricin I think we had a bad one when we lost 70 at anfield I remember on the Monday that was a that was a not a nice day but I’m

Going to surprise you now because the players that I had at AR Arsenal players of England used to say and with uh Ian Wright and and Lee Dixon and with working on TV with him they couldn’t believe that arson arson when he was younger at Monaco all my word there was

A few times when things were thrown up against the wall and fortunately for me Jeff at the time it was all said in French I didn’t understand it so but he actually used to lose it whereas the Arsenal Lads couldn’t believe at half time sometimes he’d say nothing and I go

Wow that’s not that’s not the arson that I knew yeah so I’m just a surprise element arson could could lose it a little bit is very sort of verban and Mild man doesn’t he but exactly but when you’re younger I suppose you know he’s experienced when he come Castle your

Greatest regret Glenn well this one’s going to be a bit different you’re not going to you know what even had a lot of belief in myself and my ability yeah but my my greatest ref is fear I think as a youngster when you’re coming through having too much fear as you grow

Older you you realize that there’s things back there you used to worry about and think about that really didn’t matter and you’d have played better or you’d have done things better in your life not just football fear is debilitating and I’d say to any youngster like I was talking about

Earlier these are the things that you have to get out of your the way of fear fear debilitates you so if I’m a regret would be someone teaching me a little bit little techniques or whatever to get to eradicate fear in your life you’d perform better without a Shadow of Doubt

And finally um your greatest moment that is a very very simple one after collapsing at the BT Studios waking up in that hospital and then finding out what had happened and I was out of it and then wow you know that was my greatest moment because it’s given me

Extra time it really has well thank goodness for that and Glenn thanks for joining us to discuss football’s greatest midfielders of which you are Beyond question one no doubt about that thanks very much thank you it’s been a pleasure and we’ve reached the end of football’s greatest my thanks to Glenn

Hodle for joining us today next next time on football’s greatest my thought then was the crowd were aware that we were there ready to come out and it was so noisy I just felt that the whole country was in the stadium not just the 95,000 and the Backdraft of the noise

Coming back the tunnel was really something I I would just never forget if you’re watching on YouTube please hit the Subscribe button so you don’t miss an episode of football’s greatest and if you’re listening to us on your favorite podcast platform please press follow so you get us in your feed every single

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