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Is there something wrong with golf instruction today or even in decades past or is there something wrong with us as golfers that we’re not getting it we just simply are not improving there has been a little bit of improvement I know that a lot of people say there’s been no

Improvement but there has been a slight Improvement in like the last 20 years I believe the last time I looked it up golfers had improved by almost two strokes regardless of where you stand on this issue there is no mistaking the fact that when it comes to average golfers amateur average golfers out

There we struggle to improve at the game we cannot drop Strokes we really don’t improve our handicaps that much why is that is it off the tea is it out of the Fairway is it just general ball striking what is it that’s costing us The Strokes and preventing us from getting down to

Low single-digit handicaps we’re going to dive into a little bit of that today let’s get Going Hey everybody welcome back to golf test dummy the channel where I use my game to help your game and I want to start off with a little something before we get too deep into this for any of you out there that follow my good friend Marcus edblad on his YouTube channel if you

Haven’t I suggest you go check him out he does a lot of great golf instruction and Marcus is not only a very good golfer but he’s also an excellent golf coach and Beyond even that he’s a supreme human being he’s a genuinely great guy he’s he’s a fantastic guy he’s

Been a really good friend to me and if you watch his channel you may have noticed in one of his recent videos he mentioned some health issues that he’s dealing with and I don’t presume to speak for Marcus however for the viewers of this channel that know Marcus or have

Seen Marcus I will say this if you are of the praying persuasion I’m sure that he would be just fine if you sent some prayers over his way and if you’re not just send some well wishes some positive vibes to help him through this and if

You really want to go for extra credit he’ll never ask he will never ask for this but there is a super thanks button on a lot of these YouTube channels and Marcus has one down below now the super thanks is a way that you can give a one-time donation a one-time amount of

Money in whatever currency it is that you’re dealing with for any amount when you click that super thanks button you can send him as little or as much as you want to send him and with that you can also send your comment and your love now

Don’t tell him that I told you to come and do that just go take it upon yourselves for the guys that want to do that he can really use our help and support right now let’s put our thoughts with Marcus now onto the video I’ve got

A n99 in my hand and I’m I’m just warming up out here really the things that I think about to make these videos about the things that cross my mind I want to try and put out the things that are going to help beginning golfers people who are just now taking up the

Game then even the golf who are on an intermediate level to help them get down to low singled digigit figures now I’m no Pro I am not an elite golfer I wasn’t on any golf tour but I do feel like I can help some of the golfers out there a

Good many of them the vast majority of the golfing population sits above a 10 handicap so I feel like I can help so many of you out there because I’ve gone through a lot of things myself I’ve tried a lot of different conventional and unconventional methods and I feel

Like I can help a lot of us sort of navigate the murky Waters and I can tell you this I have come to believe through all of those trials and all of the reading and research and and listening and watching and experimentation I’ve done I’ve come to believe that what

People talk about often as being the fundamentals they may not be so fundamental to everybody what is a fundamental it could be something that just applies to you something personal to you specifically but when I use the term fundamental in these videos out here in my studio I’m referring to something that

Applies to everyone I know some people that play some really great golf with some not so conventional swings I even played golf before I know a guy who plays cross-handed to a professional level Snappy Gilmore I don’t know if you’ve seen him or not but he’s a guy

That makes a lot of Tik toks and Instagram re he’s pretty pretty famous by this point he was at the Waste Management Open he plays even though he has both hands by twirling his Club around and hitting shots with his right hand I don’t know if he would be nearly

As good at ball striking if he put both hands on the club but regardless regardless he hits all sorts of clubs and all sorts of shots onehanded so when you think about things like that I know a lot of people would argue that well that’s an outlier and

Certainly there’s not a lot of people playing one-handed golf they are outliers but it just goes to show that if there is a portion of the population out there that maybe they don’t have a choice they only have one hand or maybe combat veterans who have only one leg or

Sometimes even none or not even the use of the legs there’s paraplegics that come out and play golf there’s blind golfers when you think about those golfers and their ability to still play really good golf and probably beat a lot of us out here you start to realize that

What a lot of instructors talk about is fundamental is not really fundamental at all the grip for instance everybody starts with the grip Ben Hogan’s Five Lessons started with the grip look at Mo Norman’s grip he used a tin finger I I know he also used an interlock or an

Overlap or whatever that was for natural golf I get it you look at Jim furick he uses a double overlap you look at my friend who plays to a high level he’s an elite golfer plays cross-handed Snappy Gil who could probably out drive any one of us watching this video right now

Plays onehanded the grip is not a fundamental to everyone it may be something that is a fundamental to you your specific grip but it’s not a fundamental to everybody therefore I do not consider it to be a fundamental on this channel another thing A lot of

People are going to talk about is the setup you’ve got to set up with your your knees and your feet and your hips and your shoulders all square stacked on top of each other nice balanced setup 5050 weight maybe maybe some people even go 6040 toward the front but I’ve

Experimented with a lot of different swings and I’ve seen a lot of different golfers play a lot of great golf without the conventional setup and if it’s not Universal then it’s not a fundamental in my mind I see people who set up closed Jim vetto sits up way closed you want to

Go play Jim vetos for money you want to go take him want to see if you can beat him on course go ahead let’s see how that works out for you but he sets up way closed then you look at somebody like Mo Norman who had his feet spread

Really wide really wide and had his shoulders cocked back and set the club way behind the ball thises his setup does it resemble all of the stuff that’s being taught that to tour players nowadays no not even close Jim furick sets up a noxiously close to the ball

He’s got his grip basically in his belly button Jim Fury is going to go down in the Hall of Fame as one of the greatest golfers to ever walk the face of the planet that we are currently on he is unbelievably unbelievably Elite and skilled his setup looks nothing like

What they teach in the books so again a lot of people will say those are outliers you can’t look at them but outliers give us pieces of information to let us know that maybe what everybody is saying saying is a fundamental it’s not really a true

Fundamental in the sense of the word the only real fundamentals involve the club the golf ball the lie that the golf ball is on this is universal this is it this is what everybody has to play with this is a nine iron of course there’s all kinds of different clubs but basically

You get my point these clubs are all kind of designed the same from Callaway to Ping to Nike before they left all the way through the bag Cleveland everything they all are basically designed the same way they got a club face they got a soul they got the backside of the club

They’ve got the shaft they’ve got the hosle they’ve got the feral they’ve got the grip and this club when that Ball’s sitting on the turf has to interact within certain tolerances a certain way it has to act a fairly certain way in order to get consistent repeatable well struck golf shots that

Fly as intended so for me if I were to list out the fundamentals I usually talk about four one of them and this is for a ball sitting on the turf again from hybrids Three Wood all the way down to wedges if the ball is sitting on the

Turf even if you want to hit a driver off the deck you are going to have to contact the ball first then the Earth all right let me repeat that you have to contact the ball first before your low point anything that’s sitting on the ground

Now it can be a half an inch or it can be your low point is 6 or seven in after the golf ball that’s that’s getting into a whole realm of shot shaping and different types of lies and all that but to make it as basic as possible ball

Then turf or in another interpretation hit the little ball before you hit the big ball the Earth number two the grip of this club needs to make it to the golf ball before for the club head meaning shaftan you hear so many people talk about shaing now it doesn’t have to

Be extreme it doesn’t have to be out here leading even though some people do that with knockdown shots or or even people who seriously want to deal off the club but it does have to be winning the race to a certain extent the grip has to outrun the club head to the golf

Ball grip leading in to the shot that’s number two number three you got to have a little bit of speed you can’t step up here and just move with no speed and expect the ball to go anywhere so you got to have a little bit of speed now

This is a category that a lot of people sort of get lost in because everybody is trying to get more speed more clubhead speed more Club head speed means ball go further right equals better shots better yardage and if you can hit the ball further it automatically means you’re a better golfer

Right no not necessarily but you do have to have some kind of speed and then number four this is another biggie your Club face to swing path relationship the way they match up the difference between them Square not Square little bit open little bit closed

Little bit in to out a little bit out to end those combinations if you want to hear a ball fairly straight not perfectly straight but fairly straight you need to have the face and the path pretty close to square to each other and that path needs to be headed toward the

Target not out in the woods so why is it that we struggle so much to get this little ball that is just sitting still on the ground it’s not moving like in baseball it’s just sitting there why is it that we struggle so much to get this

Ball to go in the same general direction time and time again when it should be pretty simple it’s the same stick you’ve looked at a thousand times it’s the ball sitting on the the ground why is it that we struggle so much and honestly I think it’s golf

Instruction I think that they try to put everybody in this little box because for the most part okay for the most part not everybody but for the most part we’re all kind of built the same shoulders elbows arms legs head neck it’s all kind of connected there’s not too many people

With their head coming off of their foot you know what I mean so they think by that reason that we should be able to tell everybody to do the same type of stuff biomechanically and then it should be sort of a universal methodology of being able to teach somebody how to be

Somewhat competent at hitting a golf ball and maybe getting down and break 80 a few times here and there but it doesn’t work that way people have different proportions people have different timing people have different Mobility I mean maybe some of you your hips and knees work great I know for me

Personally and a lot of you guys out out there we need a little bit of axle grease on some of these joints they don’t work as well as they used to years of brick masonry has put me into basically a 75y old man’s body at 45

Years old it’s not the years it’s the mileage just like Indiana Jones said but that that’s I think maybe one of the original sins I think you’ve got to be looking at this club not us not us I I definitely you need a good setup that’s that’s that’s very similar but it

Doesn’t need to be somebody else’s setup it needs to be a setup that works for you that helps to create the conditions at impact and the swing motions that you need in order to play your best golf now of course you’re going to say well how

Do I find that really you’re not going to like the answer it’s kind of trial and error some people are going to do really well to set up closed setup closed and hit a golf ball from that position that’s going to help them other people they might need to set up more

Open other people Square some people the ball back some people the ball forward there’s a million different ways that you can find success but finding success a few times out of 10 or 100 versus finding success almost all the time out of 10 times or 100 they’re two very different things a

Lot of people can catch lightning in a bottle and have a bucket of balls or a round of golf or hell even a solid month of great golf but then it kind of goes away another thing that plays into this whole biomechanical stuff that they’re trying to teach us is that you’re

Different than you were yesterday and you’re going to be different tomorrow than you were today trying to manage your body is like trying to solve a puzzle every single time you put a club in your hand now granted you’re probably not going to wake up tomorrow vastly

Different than you are today but there’s going to be some differences you hear the long drivers talk about this all the time ah I’m just not having a fast day today I’m just not as fast happens all the time why why is that is it because

You know you were in a car accident in the middle of night no it’s because your body is constantly changing it’s growing or it’s shrinking it’s getting fatter or it’s getting skinnier the cells that you have on your body today are not going to be the cells that are there next week

And even though you might feel the same and think oh I’ve done the same thing for 40 years and I’ve been the same there are differences so trying to figure out with your conscious mind how to operate your body in a perfectly biomechanical way every single day well

It’s an exercise in futility and it’ll drive you crazy but this is the same this is the same it’s always the same focus on what this is doing you want that grip to to lead that club head into impact you want your low point to be after the golf ball or a slightly

Downward blow on anything sitting on the turf you got to have a little bit of speed and get your Club face to your swing path fairly Square for Fairly straight shots those four things they’re the real fundamentals that’s what I’ve been arguing the whole time after spending so much wasted time going

Through all of this other stuff like I said you’re probably not going to like the answer that you’re just going to have to figure it out but it’s true it’s the best way to learn think about how you learned how to drive a car you had some things

Explained to you some of the basics how the car functioned but ultimately you got to get behind the wheel and feel how the car moves when to turn the wheel how hard you have to push the gas of the brake how soon you have to start turning

The wheel to make the turn and not run over the curb you had to feel it for yourself you had to figure it out for yourself same way with walking same way with tying your shoes Basics can be explained to you but it’s trial and error and just being thrown into the

Deep end to learn how to swim that works the best guys I appreciate all the support be sure to go check out marcus’ channel remember to send him some love and some thoughts thanks so much for supporting this channel see you next week M

28 Comments

  1. Wishing Marcus all the best…
    I've followed you for a long long time now …
    I've also followed a similar path trying many methods some due to back issues some searching for answers…I got to single figures and stayed there for about 15 years….but I've never felt I could give someone instruction….and the reason for that is what I feel is never I repeat never what I actually do..and I've seen the same things with you….this was highlighted when you went to golf tech
    So what I gues I'm saying is I'm not sure about this new teacher role you seem to be following…..
    I loved watching you rip up your swing and trying different methods….but you don't even play very often…
    I like your presentation but I'm not sure about this new direction….
    Wishing you all the best …hope this works out for you…maybe I could be on board if there was concrete proof of how much better you have got….I'm not sure

  2. Good job sir, very well explained, thank you. Continued prayers for Mrs. GTD and sending some to Sweden too

  3. Haven't been watching Marcus for a while as I wasn't able to put his method into practice. I will certainly head back over and check in as well. Thanks for letting us know he is struggling with something.

  4. Great, great stuff!
    Quick take, fundamentals are WHAT everyone is trying to do: ball first, clubface control, lag, consistent strike with speed.
    100% agree, golf instruction focuses too much on the HOW as "Gospel" to accomplish the WHAT
    Grip, stance, backswing, are HOW you do the WHAT. .
    Unfortunately, the "Gospel" is written for the tour level player, not the everyman golfer who doesn't have the body or time to accomplish the tour level HOW to accomplish the tour level WHAT.
    Great insight!

  5. Wishing the best for Marcus…

    Regarding the fundamentals, these are the only two factors for me:
    1. Consistent grip and stance.
    2. Good balance throughout the swing.

  6. Sorry to hear about Marcus. Totally agree with your four fundamentals keep the videos coming always gain perspective.

  7. I’ve been doing golf tec for a year, instructor is great but we are at a place where he can’t figure out why I can’t shift pressure forward. I discovered it was my grip and setup. My natural grip is very strong grip, once I started using my hands correctly everything has fallen into place. Still dealing with sways and getting use to the new feel of the new grip. But it’s less frustrating!

  8. Marcus is a good guy and all his friends will miss him during his absent…prayers to him daily

    Golf is a tuff tuff game to play and to move up to a new level is just as tuff to get to that level

    We can but it takes time with patience and practice…a lot of practice and the correct kind

    But I believe what it takes to get better is heart

    I believe if we don’t have that heart to want to get better and I mean really want to get better then that level may never be achieved

    You can buy all the equipment that’s supposed to make you a player or lessons … with out the drive … with out the passion … with out the heart to find the player inside the player … good luck finding him

    This game will leave you sad and disappointed but when those levels are accomplished you will feel like the king of the mountain

    It’s not a game for the weak at … Heart

    Good video GTD

  9. Don't know Marcus, but wishing him well. The resaon most gofers don't improve is because of a variety of reasons: not practicing enough; too much thinking ovee the ball; taking advice from too many different YT coaches; as Tiger said, trying to learn from YT and not getting a proper lessons from a qualified coach; but I believe most importantly, as Arccos data shows, we don't improve because we don't know what to work on. Arccos says to really improve you must improve in these areas in this order: approach shots, driver, short game, and last, putter (this debunked the adage of drive for show putt for dough). The Arccos data also shows that improvements are incremental and takes time, your improvement in each round will look like a stock market graph, up and down. But understand that you will improve if you keep at it. Cheers.

  10. Good video Chad, when you did your video grading all the different methods the traditional swing and teaching got your lowest grade, because there’s so much conflicting information taught about it.
    If you take a traditional swing and stop at top of backswing your shoulders are pointed a good bit right of target line, for someone like me who never got much golf instruction the JV setup eliminates that variable for me, each person has to find what makes the swing most repeatable for them. The biggest issue for most amateurs is managing the opening and closing of the club face, if you can do a video about what makes that easier for you it would help a lot of people

  11. This is a great video. A lot of wisdom here. I completely agree with you on the universal fundamentals and also as you said towards the beginning that there are other fundamentals but those can vary from person to person. We will hear the golf swing is a circle and it's all about the shoulders, no no no the golf swing is all about the arms and hands, no no no it's all about firing the hips and driving with the legs, no no no it's all about understanding how to use the ground force. It can be mentally exhausting.

    For me I've had to find a balanced blend of all these things (though I've had to toss out the whole firing the hips idea) that produces the best chance of consistently delivering on the universal fundamentals that you stated.

    One thing that IMO identifies a good instructor on any topic is someone who realizes if they're naturally gifted in something they probably have blind spots where they don't realize they are taking something for granted that others might struggle with. I'll always be grateful to a commenter on one of your videos that gave me a fantastic tip for something I was struggling with. I was lost and in a fog over how to work the clubface throughout the backswing and therefore had very inconsistent clubface positions at impact. The commentor said keep the clubface square to the arc of the swing in the beginning of the backswing but allow left arm rotation synced with the folding of the right arm as the backswing progresses. Eureka! I've been playing much better and consistent golf since then, so that is a fundamental for me because this idea produces a really square clubface at the top with much better odds of a good clubface position at impact. Others may handle the clubface well instinctively, but I didn't.

    Also will have Marcus in my thoughts and prayers.

  12. I finally ditched the use your body to hit the ball and thought to myself why not just swing my arms then the body will go for the ride, opposite of what other instructors were telling me.
    Well I went to the range and started to hit my 9 iron 150! Never happened before and I wasn't so much energy to do it. I got close doing the Square to Square but it's been a struggle with all of my irons with that method. With just swing my arms I was more consistent with ball speed and grouping than I ever have.
    Then I thought is this a new method, does anyone teach to opposite, and that's how I found Andrew Emery. He was doing exactly what I was thinking and was clearly stating in his videos this method may not work for you or others you have tried in the past.
    Long story short…we are all chasing something and try not to put yourself into an uncomfortable suit. It may fit some people but just do what feels comfortable and natural to you.
    Prayers for Marcus…

  13. I think the most important thing is club face awareness and being able to hit where you look. Golf has become too static, why can a tennis player who’s moving all over the place able to hit where he wants or a shortstop or quarterback throw across his body and still throw to his target. It all comes down to hand eye coordination. Look at the pros, take ten players and they all have different setups and still hit it where they want. Golf instruction puts you in cookie cutter positions, but the problem is everyone is built differently. The most important thing is understanding how to make a club move the way it was designed, and stop wasting time figuring out how to make the body move.

  14. Good stuff Chad . Lots of way to get it done . Back swings aren't as important as the down swing . It's squaring up the face thru impact with some shaft lean unless it's the driver . I'm a single planer & I appreciate your respect for moe & your videos on the single plane swing you did a while back .

  15. When I stopped trying to have a perfect swing and just played more, you tend to learn what you have to do to score .

  16. I have left a note for Marcus and will keep him in prayer. All the best to him. A fascinating thing that I have been digging into lately is release types and patterns. Generally, there iare two main types which are body release with little shaft twisting and hands release with a fair bit of twisting (or face rotation if yoiu will). Tony Luczak is demonstrating and ostensibly teaching a body release where the clubface starts to be pointed at the ball above the waist and the trail arm moves across the chest in direct lockstep with the rotation around the center line of the body and the lead wrist goes into extension much earlier in the release in order to complete the squaring of the face as the hands get deeper more quickly on the lead side of the body.

    Interestingly, Shawn Clement demonstrates slow motion swings and concepts as though he was advocating a hands release however with his current swing, he has a classic body release if you look at it frame by frame or in slow motion. He also has had a hands release in earlier iterations of his swing when his hands got less high and he was a bit more flexible. This is a huge deal in my opinion and bound to create a lot of confusion for people trying to imitate motions or even to intuitively figure out how to square the clubface and compress the ball. I also think that I personally have had both of those release types in my long golf career and that sometimes going from one to the other was the source of "finding something" particularly because I often played and even practiced intermittently and feels tended to easily change from one session to another. Also Mu and Sav are both pure hands releasers to add to the confusion that could be created. Shawn, it seems, has been able to transition seemlessly between these types because of natural talent and constant access to repetition.

    Hand releasers tend to be bigger hitters and have more of that classic arms fully extended look in the follow through because the leverage tends to be built up more on the trail side of the body and then released in a longer motion to the lead side of it. This allows the golfer to take the fullest advantage of leveraging wrist angles for a longer time through impact and even add a little speed to the clubhead through face rotation.

    Mcilroy and Champ are both hand releasers with some characteristics of body releasers Champ gets and keeps his spine so inclined with his hips back that he has his shoulders closer to the vertical plane of club rotation which allows him to turn more purely as he release his hands which is why he has such incredible shaft lean and compression. Mcilroy stays more vertical with his upper body but sucks his arms close into his body just before he performs a hands release so that he spins like a top to some degree as he does it. Both ways create tremendous power. Understanding these things IMO is extremely important if one is trying to learn to use the club correctly and particularly as one is able to play and practice less so that a clear idea of the objective becomes much more attainable. It is really hard to do something complex with limited practice without a clear idea of what you are trying to accomplish. Cheers.

  17. Have you ever thought about trying out some of the stuff Adam Young teaches where progress is gained through improving your skills rather than the swing.

  18. Been working with Jim Venetos. There’s no doubt that if you do his method correctly, you will hit the ball better than you ever have. I definitely have after having my doubts at first. It’s just way more difficult and takes a lot of work to get there. He makes it look so easy, and you’ll think it’s easy too, but it’s not. You really have to work at it especially ignoring your arms and staying still. I’ve gotten so much more power with less effort and no longer need to ice my low back from pain after a round of golf. I’m surprised you abandoned it.

  19. Glad you are feeling better, Chad. Looking forward to seeing you back on the course in a future video. When you have time, check out a video on YouTube entitled "The Best Golf Training Aid Only Costs $35" by The Golf Sensai. Easy DIY trainer for the average golfer and those who already play well. I made one recently and immediately noticed an improvement in my swing. Might be something that lines up nicely with your content. I did not know about Marcus but will head over to his channel and definitely send him prayers and positive vibes.

  20. Problem with the majority of golfers is that they have taken the game up in their adult life. Therein lies the first hurdle. A major part of golf that is not mentioned is hand/eye coordination, a very important part of golf. I commenced golf at the age of 12 and was scratch at 16. From there it was just how far you took the skill you acquired and how strong your mind was. I was only taught what to do, never what not to do. So my mind was never fed the errors. This is where what you are saying comes into play, instruction today. The money pit is big and every teacher/coach wants a piece of the action. We have hundreds of teachers on YouTube telling the adult learners what not to do. You have just fed the computer an error, so the mind is now tainted. The golfing world knows that as "swing thoughts". That is why golf as an adult learner is hard. NOW, the mind of the adult. Get him to practice his golf swing freely without a ball and he looks so perfect and smooth. Tempo, rhythm, it's all there. Now put the ball on the ground, fear enters the mind and it's all over. Get a coach to break that and you'll have decent single figure golfers.

  21. i have been golfing for about 50 years and been a 13 hdcp. for over 30 years and with all that i put into my golf with play, alot of practice and reading and research i can't get any better. it's a tough game to really excell at in my opinion but i enjoy the whole thing.

  22. i often wondered if grounding the club right at the ball at address makes me return to that spot at impact and actually causes a fat shot instead of the low point after the ball. what do you do?

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