‘The Dynasty’ 2008 Cassel Season | The Aaron Hernandez Story — 3/4 (Hour 2)

(0:00) Hardy, Wallach and Joe Murray react to the two most recent episodes of “The Dynasty.” The 2008 Matt Cassel season and Aaron Hernandez were the focal points of each episode. 

(15:00) Episode 6 of “The Dynasty” focused on the Aaron Hernandez saga.  

(29:00) Continued discussion on Aaron Hernandez and “The Dynasty.” 

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There a while you you have plenty of time to hit that post with practice happy 4th anniversary to this uh music P he’s on fire this morning man he’s just burying everything we didn’t play this one on the midday show oh someone skipped over it I don’t know maybe

That’s why we played it so much why don’t you change him out get right on [Applause] That they’re so stopping him this morning I tell you he is something else is he you all right me I’m good no I’m looking at Dan Dan you okay I’m good yep all right Jesus the other thing I found with this uh with this uh time change in my life I

Find myself caring so much less about certain things I’m like you know what I’m just numb it’s all it’s almost like a drugg feeling when you’re this tired all the time like H Dan’s got something going on with the music beds in his own world right now I

Don’t know but I can’t care about that I liked how you hit the post there is a post there there was a little bit of a thank you all right uh the dynasty Apple TV you’ve been watching this wallik religiously all right uh not even not even messing around yes I’ve seen the

Whole thing Saturday Saturday morning we talked about this before it dropped you know when it was announced and uh and how it was going to be on and and Fred said something you know to the effect of who’s going to watch this and I said everybody everyone who’s a Patriots fan

Is going to watch this you know I I I don’t know how you don’t accept that or understand that and sure enough Everybody is watching this in episodes five and six dropped on Friday uh the first one is called Torn which is uh reference to uh Tom Brady in the way the

2009 season started and um you know you know you get into the the very brief uh you know Matt Castle portion of the the documentary and uh when Castle takes over at quarterback as a coach I think you always want to try to play into the strength of your players not have a

System and force the players to play the system in Matt Castle’s case he had a lot of talent he was smart and was very athletic so we tried to tailor our offense to Matt’s strengths and and his confidence third down three Patriots L 41 snap Castle steps up first down the

50 yd line stays in his Fe 4 running the ball was a big part of my game that’s one element of the offense that I can honestly say brady could never run the ball but I was a little bit quicker and belich recognized it and he changed our offensive scheme

Perfectly here’s gel he going to run it again he’s had success and look at that SKS away from a tackle on the first down heyar to Tommy that’s the gazelle back there running they some masses coming out the they got a gazel back there now they got prepare for that

Wow you got a dog now hearing Randy Moss talking about Matt Castle being a gazelle used to have a molasses coming out of there so I I thought it was good to include this stuff and Castle getting his time being like yeah Brady could never run like

That I could run yeah they when you think about the whole the totality of the dynasty the castle chapter kind of gets skipped over so it was nice to give him you know what Matt come on in sit down let’s talk about this because what the Patriots did while Brady missed an

Entire year I mean they didn’t make the playoffs so no one remembers it but 11 and five without Brady is remarkable did they mention that in the D doc CU they didn’t they said they won 11 games never mentioned not making the playoffs once

Only one of the only teams ever to do so right uh to win 11 games make it there’s some things missing in the dock but this one overall though this is a this one makes bill look good um you know there there was talks about you know hey is it

Really about bich or was it about Brady and if you want to look at it in hindsight I think that’s what motivated Tom Brady more than anything else is the fact that he was coming off the injury he had the infection Castle played well bellich could put really anybody a

Quarterback and win games and that motivated Tom Brady and it kind of built Bill bellich up in this episode in this episode because then you know what’s going to happen next they’re going to absolutely crucify him yes they’re go yeah and we’ll we’ll get to

That there’s a lot on that but the very beginning of that when Bill talks about you know what he does with a football team and a quarterback as a coach I think you always want to try to play into the strength of your players not have a system and force the players to

Play the system which gets glossed over a lot people think of you know coming into the Patriots and we’ve seen it with with receivers for sure uh you know they come in and whether it was uh ooo not able to run the offense he couldn’t pick it up that was because it was

Established and run by McDaniels and Brady for Brady but it wasn’t like they had this offense and they made Tom Brady do it and Josh McDaniels has said this I don’t know that I’ve heard bill it more than once before this but I was glad to

Hear him say it again in the documentary because again as long as we’re propping up bellich here might as well continue to do so by eliminating The Narrative that there is a system that all players have to adhere to that’s not the case especially at the quarterback position

You see what your quarterback is capable of and then you game plan accordingly and you come up with an offense that your quarterback can do he’s not he’s not some monster that says no it has to be done this way and if you’re not a running quarterback you better learn how

To run you saw Brady ran it for so long but then you have the castle example and the fact that they were actually functional with Cam Newton as a quarterback should tell you that Josh McDaniels was very easily very easily was able to adapt to the strengths of

The quarterback yeah and and believe me we we may not have thought of it as functional especially in the immediate contrast to what Tom Brady had been able to to do here but in hindsight seeing what happened uh with with M Jones especially this last season yeah that at

Least the beginning of of the Cam Newton era here did look somewhat functional if you’re out there winning six se what do they end up with seven wins That season with Cam Newton okay that’s remarkable lost a goal line on one of them they on a couple here Seattle

Game turnovers it was a sneaky functional offense that time so yeah give him give him the the credit for that the the part where Brady comes back and again this is all an episode 5 and he returns for the 2009 season and he takes the field almost exactly one month

After The Sports Hub launched in August of 2009 Brady is back on the field uh at jillette Stadium September 2009 and um that they talk about his first game back and some of the this has a couple of my favorite quotes favorite sound bites in Patriots history in this in this one [Applause]

Clip come look’s settle down there buddy step into the throw okay right hands throw a Kevin out here got drilled when I threw it did you get hit on that yeah he was blitzing I tried to blob it over him cuz the guy was standing right in

Right in his face like the one of [ __ ] over in his hands no actually it was over his head that’s F oh that one was over his head oh that one whoops oh that gate key I I never get tired of hit him in the hands oh and oh that he was blitzing

I tried to blop it over him cuz guy was standing right in right in his face like the one to [ __ ] right his hands was over his head oh that one yeah just you know just step into it okay all right all right all right so I

Just real quick I know you’re trying to say that they were a functional offense I just want to be just consistent that that team was loaded and built for Tom Brady so Matt Castle should have been cut in the preseason that year they kept them around and so I do give Bill credit

For it but they were loaded Wes Welker Randy Moss that team was built to go to another uh another Super Bowl and the the fact that they didn’t make the playoffs even without Brady uh the one thing about that one though Brady tried to come back that Monday that’s that I

Don’t think anybody knew he was throwing balls he had pads on he was at practice the next day wanted to go play he actually said during the documentary I just give me a knee brace tape it up I’ll go out and play and they let him do

It they have surgery after the season I wonder whose decision that truly was uh you know was a craft because of the invest is it hey man we’re just going to try to win without you go get fixed I thought well it’s it’s Brady

Saying give me a e brace I’ll go play 15 more games with you know a shredded knee and then there is every doctor in the world and every trainer and say okay yeah you could do it you know if you were a caveman and you blew out your

Knee yes you could still go out and Hunt but it is a horrifically bad idea a and there’s a really good chance that you will damage this beyond belief so no that’s not I don’t think there is any planet where that would have happened Brady says he wanted to but yeah there’s

You know there’s a lot of things that players want that would just never happen I don’t think that would ever happen and there was another part of the story that Tommy Curran got a lot of flack for Tom Tom had a story that Brady’s knee gotten affected afterwards

And his you know future was up in the air and I remember he took a lot of crap for that but it turns out Tom was absolutely right and that they go into it the documentary where the infection was really bad and they had to go in

There and clean it out again before he could go play and so 2010 was a je uh 2009 was a Jeopardy because of that all right there was one other clip here I want to get to real quick before we break in that is one of my other things

I go back to and I remember this vividly from 2009 and how uh just mindboggling it was that bill bellich this you know this leader of men this guy that was able to coach and and had done what he had done with Matt Castle the previous season is standing on the sidelines with

Brady last game of the season we just have no metal toughness I just can’t get this team to play the way we need to play I just can’t do it so frustrating yeah guys like Tom Brady who got it but Brady now he can’t do it all

And that was when he was standing there with Brady saying just shaking his head it’s like I can’t get these guys to play for me I can’t get him to I can’t get him to do it and it it shows you some fallibility there you know it you’ve got

Brady you’ve got some other guys and they spent a lot of time talking about players who had left at that point you know brusi you know was gone at that point Rael gone at that point so you got a bunch of guys in there who just are

Not on board with with you know what’s being done how it’s being done and it shows you that as you know as good as bellich was at coaching and getting things together he wasn’t reaching players and this is back in 2009 he just I couldn’t get him to play for me all

Right uh when we come back tiny bit of fun just a tiny bit of fun which has water thrown all over it at the beginning of episode 6 and the rest of that episode very very dark and it’s got wall very very upset so we will uh continue with that uh backstage

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Into episode 6 it’s going to be about the draft it’s going to be about the tight ends yet I thought it was going to be you know some gr Kowski Hernandez stuff the entire episode ends up being about Hernandez there is a little gronowski portion at the beginning of it

Though when I was drafted to the Patriots it was a proud moment my family came on stage as well we got in a huddle we were doing in the Huddle jumping up and down and then all of a sudden I get a phone call from the Patriots hi Rob and

They said hey Rob like you can get off the stage now like enough is enough and I’m sitting there like wow I’m already in trouble it’s been 5 minutes since I’ve been on the Patriots and I’m already in trouble I can picture bill in that draft

Room just being like why the did we just draft this kid oh look at this Lord have mercy uh you said Mercy uh have mercy on us as now it wasn’t just the jumping around with his family celebrating it was when they were there in their suits and they

Put the helmets on and then started doing Oklahoma awesome I actually don’t even remember that happening I watched it real time I’m like Jesus this is going to be fun and you know what else I I have to give Mike Lockard our draft analist credit he said the next day that

We came in you’ll be really happy that the Patriots drafted this kid so I I it was all good news they but they needed to go with at the time as what the documentary entails is they needed to like get Talent like find actual guys

Who teams can game plan for ETC and he was definitely one of them right so he had fallen on the draft board a little bit um and he had the back barely play it was the it was the back issues at Arizona that forced him to fall a little

Bit Hernandez had fallen uh because of off field issues and this is what I think sticks in Wallock CRA or Kaka is that there is um a lot of a signing of blame in this episode starting first with not bill bellich but Urban Meyer the head coach of the Florida Gator came

To the principal of Aaron’s high school and said we want him to leave come to Florida Aaron arrives in Florida barely 17 years old still troubled Beyond anyone’s belief during that time he’s in a bar and there’s a dispute over a $12 tab in the bar Hernandez got into a fight with

The bar manager he punched the manager so hard his eardrum burst but at Florida they had a fixer for the players when they get in trouble and that lawyer was there for Aaron and everything went away so he comes away from the bar incident and he learns very early in his

Career about what football Inc is and that is that you can get in trouble and not get in trouble so early on in the episode they’re laying out two things Hernandez troubled from an early age he’s he’s got troubles where he lives goes down to Florida finds out if he get

In trouble can all be fixed because of football so number one yes blame Aaron Hernandez for Aaron Hernandez number two also blame Urban Meyer that’s how this is setting up right now mhm and it and ultimately and I know we’re going to get to it it’s blame bill bellich that’s

Where that’s where all the blame was dumped as we moved along I mean the episode’s only 40 minutes but easily half of that is Robert Craft apologizing for being duped by Aaron Hernandez and then the filmmakers going out of their way to make sure that everyone understands that bill ignored Aaron

Hernandez’s weirder traits to keep him on the field wanted Aaron Hernandez on the team even after his arrest and you know held a press conference where he was tur with the media but they didn’t show all of it I just had I had a big problem with that and I don’t know what

We got a bunch of that stuff I just wanted to say Bob holler is the one who I believe he let he let the M he left the murder at the team’s feet he’s like if the Patriots had just CAU him Odin Lloyd would still be alive oh my God as

As we’re getting into it and as far as we know Hernandez has has done anything yet other than you know gotten in a fight with the bar manager and at this point also probably shot his friend in the face down in Florida and done a bunch of other stuff that got swept

Under the rug he’s already into all kinds of bad stuff when he gets to the Patriots and I always goof on Jim Lo for this Jim lth always says he would love to be in the Patriots war room on draft day to me that seems like a big

Snoozefest if you could get me into one of these rooms on one of these days I would love to be in and sit in on some of these rookie symposiums where they bring guys up to talk to the new players zo has talked about it before how they

Get somebody up there to say like look I I know you got money now and you think you need to buy a car or you need to buy a new house for your mom and dad that’s all very admirable what you need to do is max out your 401K because we’re going

To double it the the NFL has this insane 401K it’s like a 2 to1 match J really oh yeah it’s like back the day if you put in 14 Grand they would put in like an additional 28 like it was just it was it’s something maybe one and a half or

Something like that but no it’s not a 5% M no it’s like they will double whatever you say minimum right and you know tell you you have to do this and I said to some once I’m like how many guys did he he goes oh practically none maybe a

Quarter of them because everybody gets these checks and they just want to you know start you know spending money all the time but Chris Carter is up there talking to these guys and to me this is remarkable I hadn’t seen this before when Chris Carter is up there speaking

In the room and Aaron Hernandez asks eer yeah and if you think having money going to change you in a positive way you show up fooling yourself if you like to smoke dope now you like Kush now you going to be buying up all the cush they got if

You and it’s Hernandez who was laughing and like grabbing the people around him and like oh y y y’all won’t me lie to yall like the rest of them do when they come in here first question I was just wondering what changes did you make from

When you got cut to when you went to Minnesota that is Aaron Hernandez asking the question oh man you got to get your stuff together man you got to stop lying to yourself I I stopped smoking that dough stopped doing all the things I was doing and I start getting my body in

Shape and I start being able to run all day I told my old friends don’t call me now this should be this should be right now the fork in the road for a lot of y’all man to get y’all stuff together before you get popped cuz you going to get

Called you going to get C I mean you want to talk about foreshadowing holy crap that’s literally what Aaron Hernandez did Aaron Hernandez smiled too sat down like yeah okay literally smoked angel dust and hung out with all his bad friends and I mean it

Was all laid out there in front of him now it it does it make it more tragic yeah for Odin Lloyd and other people whe whether you know the you know they they say at the end of the documentary of stuff that he was acquitted on and look

There’s all kinds of weird stuff with he was appealing one of the murder convictions uh or or the I I one of his convictions I guess so technically if you die while the case is on appeal um you’re innocent you’re you know you are not guilty so there’s there are some

Technicalities there but suffice it to say Hernandez did all kinds of bad stuff and it was laid out in front of him like this is what’s going to happen if you do this and he did it anyway and it happened um now you want to get to the the

Bellich stuff where they he starts do we have do you want to break now or do you want to keep going I I’m ready so whatever you want to do here I I think it’s good getting into this because I I hope people understand like Aaron Hernandez was one

Of their best offensive players at the time and he was part of an entire new offense now people run two tight end schemes Patriots were the first team to do that I just look back I I can’t even compare the player that Aron Hernandez was to somebody else like I don’t even

Know if there’s a comp like you know what like I and I say that on the football field I don’t even know if there was a comp out there for the way that he could change a game I know it’s 15 years ago because I I know what

You’re saying Joe it was because of the position he he played but the speed with which he played played more like a wide receiver but played as a tight end and it was uh it was remarkable and I get he had off field stuff but like even the

Thought of a trade or anything like that I there’s a lot we’ll get into about it but I just can’t imagine they ever thought of it okay you tell me bellich isn’t thinking about it though a little bit or I I don’t but there’s no evidence of that okay I

Don’t know what to I don’t know what to make of this exchange between craft and bich this is the only one I want to play and then we’ll we’ll take a quick break here and then we’ll get to the other stuff but this and I was most impressed with

Hernandez how he came in today I think he’s got such a good high he’s a good guy H okay bich says hm belich knew he knew at that point I don’t think he’s completely sold on Hernandez even even the player because he’s got so many questions about him

Character-wise and we know that you know the Patriots and the crafts they’ve got a lot to do with the production of this documentary I think it’s twofold number one yeah there’s blame being placed at the feet of Urban Meyer and Bill bich but Robert Craft is exposing himself as

Being like really f ible here and really gullible to include this part where he’s on the he’s on the training camp field talking to bich saying I’m so impressed with Aaron Hernandez he’s just got such a good heart he’s just such a good guy belich now is belich just ignoring

Robert like it seems like he did for years and years here not even listening to him or is he thinking to himself man you don’t know this guy at all he told told me he had to be careful the people around him he recognizes he’s coming to

So he’s got to be careful with the people around him he’s coming to so much money and bich just says nothing like he he knew he knew and Robert is if you need more evidence that he was completely duped by the guy than than

That I I don’t know what to tell you at that point he has no clue what this guy Rob craft falls on his sword in episode where he’s like you know what I look at people differently now specifically because of the way I was and his words

Not mine snookered by the by Aaron Hernandez and he goes extensively by himself looking at the camera and apologizing for his actions no he Robert Craft throws himself at the mercy of uh fandom in this one I know you have more to say on this but we’ll get we’ll get to it after

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7:50 I made the mistake just now Of explaining to Joe Murray how to order Town Spa Pizza and he just held his hand up he’s like I I know I got I I I got this you tried to learn Joe about a restaurant in Massachusetts what a catastrophic error that is on your part

We should qu we should quiz him about menu items on in restaurants like region wide it I’ll give you credit on this one for those who may not go to the bar pizza scene um sometimes you have to order it a little bit well done because

It’s the way that they put it in that pan you know so if you put it in there I also did well done at Pleasant Cafe and Rousy too oh that’s interesting extra crispy now the the problem is when you start getting a little too finicky with

Your order at Pleasant Cafe they might throw your dumb ass out on to Washington Street and say you know what kick rocks go the Knicks up the street why don’t you go down to Romano’s or something where they might have time for your nonsense cuz as you can see uh

We’re packed in here and we don’t have time for your foolishness at Pleasant Cafe but good for you um so let’s let’s get back to the uh the Dynasty stuff here as we get more into the the story of Aaron Hernandez we we listen to what

Chris Carter had to say at the rookie Symposium about you know getting away from your old friends and uh not messing with that stuff anymore we heard Bob Craft uh talking with Bill bellich saying like he’s he’s a good kid he knows that he has to separate himself

From those people now but there is something inherently wrong with Aaron Hernandez and U it was um um I’m blanking now it was Wes Welker uh who went up to another uh player who had his locker in between the two of themy Brandon Lloyd thank you um Wes Welker

Talks to Brandon Lloyd and kind of gives him a warning so I think we hear Brandon Lloyd speaking first in this during training camp Wes Welker makes his beine over to me and like grabs me like by the shoulders he says Brandon your Lockers in between grank

And Aaron Hernandez now Aaron he’s going to fondle his genitalia in front of you he’s going to talk about bathing with his mom what what what yeah he Welker’s Locker by the way was on the other side of Hernandez so he knew exactly what was going on in the 30 for30 documentary um

They entailed some things regarding Hernandez and in his home life bad okay all right all right you just got to ignore it you got to ignore it it was like Wes has seen a ghost the way he was looking at me you know I thought Aaron was a good

Kid I had a locker right next to him tried to help him tried talking to him but at the same time I don’t know it was um I think it was pretty glaring um um that there were issues there’s a story too about Welker that uh either zo told

Me or maybe Beetle told me and and and maybe it’s in one of those earlier docs too that you just mentioned Joe where Welker was in the facility early on in Hernandez’s time and Hernandez says something about you know how do you how do you go to the film room it’s like

Where do you you know where do you go to look at this tape I’m supposed to look at and Welker said something just kind of like a like a hazing thing it’s like like H figure it you know figure it out rookie you know something like that and

Hernandez lost his mind yeah I I heard this story too like what you wanted to wanted to fight him right then and there it’s like whoa whoa whoa yeah all right he also got into it maybe Tom Brady if I don’t know if you’re getting there I

Don’t want to spoil anything uh no I I didn’t have that there was there was the the the part where he would be on the field as they’re trying to run offense and Hernandez is is out he’s got you know maintenance he’s not practicing that day but he’s tossing the ball up on

The sideline he’s out there in flipflops and Brady tells him to get the F off the field what are you doing and then you have the cut it back to Lloyd and Welker saying yeah you know Aaron would act out and Brady would tell

Him to get the F off the field and we’d look at Bill and waiting for Bill to do something and Bill didn’t do anything nothing and that was the beginning of what I didn’t like about this which was this is just the first step in bill should have been better bill was awful

At this period of time when handling Aaron Hernandez and I don’t know how many Clips you have left there I got two left okay so here’s one of them though wall and and I understand what you’re saying you can’t blame one guy for this you can only blame Aaron Hernandez they

Do go out of their way to make bill look bad okay what do you make of this Aaron told him that his girlfriend and his daughter’s safety was in jeopardy belich asked Hernandez if he wanted help from the security department of the Patriots and Hernandez said no thank you

Instead he asked Bill bich to trade him to a team on the west coast so he’ get away from New England just get away but belich said no to Aaron Hernandez at the 2013 combine Aaron Hernandez asked to be traded to a West Coast team saying that he feared for his

Family’s lives what did you do with that information yeah it’s not unfortunate situation about Aaron and I don’t have anything to add to it all right so bill being typically reticent and he’s not going to say anything but I don’t expect you to to honor every

Trade request that a player makes of you especially a player that’s important to your football team as Aaron Hernandez was having said that this isn’t I don’t like it here you know I want to leave this is a a guy who is life is spiraling out of control he’s fearing for his own

Life he’s maybe committed murders already at this point not that bill necessarily knows that but this is something that goes beyond the the normal trade request and bill says no I’m not I’m not doing that y you want you want to help from you know one of

Our security guards here bang up job so far by the way you know the this whole notion that the Patriot Way is going to fix everybody and that they know what everyone is up to down there no they don’t not not when you got a monster in

Your midst so there’s so he does nothing he did nothing I’m not saying that he was right in his assumption what I am saying is you put one of those things in or another one of those things but there are four or five things in a row that

This documentary goes out of its way to Spotlight to make bill look terrible now the decision making he made exceptionally regrettable I mean it there was you know the day he got arrested you know they they show the whole thing of the the reporters following Aaron Hernandez to the gas

Station we were all working oh my God we all we’re all watching they’re driving P my kid time and then he dashes into the facility to try and get away and the Patriots see what’s going on they kick them back out whatever the case may be

And they cut to a clip of Jonathan Craft saying you know dead I oh you have there my dad and Bill were both out of the country but I felt strongly we couldn’t wait and so I called my dad and he very much agreed and we called Bill and you

Know Bill as is his want was always more measured in the beginning he said you know he’s not guilty yet and there there were competitive issues too he didn’t want to have to lose an amazing football player so Bill’s Instinct would be play this thing out till the end and I just

Knew we couldn’t play it out to the end and not not because of how it looked on us but because we had to set aing example I mean like it’s like this guy’s a murderer so you had that you had bill you know rejecting the request of Aaron

Hernandez and that happened at the combine just to let everyone know he did they did meet there you you want you had Bill obviously making the wrong decision there and the crafts are like well we wanted to cut him immediately but Bill Bill wanted to hang on to a murderer you

Know there there are you’ve driven the point home we get it he wasn’t a good guy here he made a series of bad mistakes and then they cut to a clip of the press conference that he held shortly afterwards where they questioned him and bill was like I’m not talking

About that not talking about but at the same time I was I remember watching that press conference and thinking okay you know there have been a lot of mistakes made here and bill was actually more human at that press conference and I can never remember him they don’t show that

And then you ju toose Bill doing that with Robert Craft at the end of the episode saying you know what we wanted to be a valuable part of the community we failed here it just seems to me like there were you put one or two of those

Things in but you put four of those things in a row he was a bad guy no no no he was a really bad guy but in case you missed it he’s a terrible guy well CRA craft also went on to say that he

Did ask Aaron hey if you did this or you must have had a reason and I can get you the best defense attorney if you need it like that that was also mentioned so it made bill look really bad really bad but there’s a there’s a difference John

Between saying someone is a bad guy and having you know zero connection to the situation where you can’t see that somebody is a literally out there killing people and still wanting to hang on and not cut the guy and keep him on the team and won’t consider a trade request but it’s not

Just that it’s they went out of their way to show his reaction to it they went out of their way and you just oppose Bill bich che’s press conference where he goes I’m not talking about that to Robert Craft giving a heartfelt apology at the end and it just seems like okay

What about in the documentary where Bill still won’t talk about it Now’s the Time to come clean with it and say all the stuff that maybe you could have said before and I do remember him saying more at that initial press conference but I think you’re giving him too much credit

I really think you’re giving Bill too much credit on this one and look the crafts don’t look great in this either Robert got completely Hoodwinked by this guy and and you know Jonathan’s saying at the end like we got to make an effing example out of him he’s a murderer

Nobody nobody thought it was WR move to cut him when they did Bill went over the top bill was wrong on so many levels with this guy this guy was a murderer on his football team and he made a lot of mistakes not trading him when Hernandez

Comes up to says my family is in danger I need to get out of here atast at least trying to do something more to get wait a second what’s going on here I’m not going to trade you but let’s let’s really figure out what’s going on here

The documentary went over the top above and beyond to make sure that they understood that everyone watching understood that the crafts were making themselves vulnerable and Bill is a dick that’s what it seemed like I going to mention that bill was still under contract with the team when they filmed

This documentary therefore he treated everything like he was still the coach of the team if this happened after I wonder if he would have said something different yeah maybe maybe um that the other thing that just struck me though is that Robert talking about going down into the weight room

That day when we were all watching Hernandez leave his house show up at jillette go into the facility and you’re thinking there had to have been security waiting there for him saying like uh you can’t be here get the hell out Not only was he there he went into the wait room

Robert goes downstairs and goes into the wait room with him and talks to him like you went you actually went and addressed him at that point did you do this no I’ll help you I’ll get you the best that’s not a great look either I’ll

Help you get I’m sure you didn’t mean it how can you be so sure he thought he knew him at this he thought he knew him at this point he needed to realize he had no idea what was going on with this guy and I think

Bill have more of an idea I think Bill have more of an idea it’s certainly possible that is not detailed in the documentary at all all right let’s um and not that bill knew that he was out there murdering people but he knew he was in trouble he knew

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