We open the show by making fun of ESPN’s Mike Tannenbaum and then get into the social media post by Gabe Davis that suggests he has played his last game as a member of the Bills.
We also discuss Beane’s logic to give money to Dawson Knox that could have gone to keeping Gabe here in Buffalo.
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The rock pile reports the pettiest hardest drinking bills podcast wome everybody to another edition of The Rockpile Report podcast I’m your host Bill season ticket old the Drew gear something definitely just got stuck in my throat as I was yelling that that’s our producer Chris Krueger
And guys I don’t know if you know this but if Chris could be so kind as to flip the camera back to his own shot for a second there you go guys notice anything different I repositioned my desk is is what I did it was a no hang on I want in
The ass I want stop you right there because when people hear oh I moved a desk they think to themselves okay a guy lifted a piece of furniture rotated at 90° set it back down and put his monitors back on it not in this Dojo all right that’s not how things work
Chris like I will say this for all the things that I deride Chris about there are a handful of things that he excels at one of them is his ability to put together one of like just his engineering knowledge and kind of his makeshift engineering that he used to
Put the put the studio together everybody who’s people who work on the radio come in here and tell us it’s more ergonomic than what they deal with it at their actual job so he’s got a lot of time and energy and heart and resources plugged into this a lot of
Thoughtfulness gets put into how things are wired how certain cords are ran so Chris how long would you say it took you just to rotate your desk 90° uh it took me over the course of I think I did three days I started Sunday night because I stay up late on Sunday night
And I when I say I disconnected everything I mean I shut my computer off unplugged all of the C cables and clipped all of the zip ties that all the wires that are run in this room and then Monday I I started the process all I I
Literally just turned my desk 90° if you’re watching on YouTube you used to see me like this I was facing this way you looked like an Alfred Hitchcock Drew was to my left this is like probably a little more appealing for I don’t about that well for those on YouTube because
You know over here I have all of my B I had Bandits season tickets so that’s all of them and then I have this doesn’t get filled up enough this Frame of tickets because nobody does tickets anymore ticket everything’s might have to do is swap
Those I know I hate I I hate as a bill season ticket holder that I don’t get a physical ticket cuz they would all be in here here you do know that you can go buy them for $5 done a guest services I will 100% do that now that I know that
And then like this Frame up here is now those on YouTube you can’t see it but most of the tickets in here are like oddly shaped tickets or season tickets and like this ticket right here Wednesday December 7th 2016 Cincinnati Cyclones versus a Fort Wayne comments that’s when I went to
Cincinnati and you brought back the hoodie delight and I found out what hoodie Delight is cuz it was dollar beer at the Cyclones game and it was either hoodie Delight or high life now I have a class so I’m not getting high life I’m going to try whatever this hoodie
Delight is and it’s delicious and then I went to I think it’s I think Cincinnati’s beer stor is called The Party Store and that’s where I went and picked up a 30 pack for like 20 bucks and brought it back it’s uh it’s memories sir and I like that you have
Encapsulated your memories that way I love the fact that you did this how many zip ties just just cuz people like oh I cut all the zip ties at least a hundred and then you had to put a hundred of them back yeah and then I did all new
Ones this is lunacy I’m just happy that his lunacy gets poured into something useful for me like selfish selfishly I’m really happy that his Mania somehow produces a thing that’s really helpful to me so for those of you who think that like oh no Chris just gets a bad rap no
No no no no he’s like Rainman about a lot of things but the the amount of the attention to detail and the amount of time he’s put into all of this is incredible I can trash him about a million things never this studio and I love the fact that I can actually look
At you now I told him I go right now we are finally for the first time since we sat together at his kitchen table 5 years ago yeah yeah when I’m four years ago was the last time he and I sat looking at each other and now there’s at
Least a little more space in between us but I like usually Li it’s uncomfortable usually I don’t have to like look like before I didn’t have to look at you I had a monitor right here with all of the cameras on and I could just look at the
Cameras I didn’t physically have to yeah I see you on this television that’s how I’m connecting to you that’s how me as a human I connect is by I see I have two shots of view on this TV right here I and that’s how I connect with you now
Now it’s a little more Awkward I have to look up and look at you know this I’m going to be recording every single one of these guys just staring directly into Chris’s eyes hey congratulations to the moveing cheers now you’ve handed me obviously you’ve gone back to my favorite class A
Coupe yeah um this drink you’ve poured me now I’m getting better at this I see I don’t think you are I see some things floating on the top and I see it leaving something on the rim so I’m going to go ahead and guess that’s Citrus like
There’s a some kind of citrus poured into this now the color is like a it’s like a watermelon pink color it smells like a clear liquor like it’s not like a it doesn’t have like a bourbon smell it’s got more of like a that aceton rum Jin something kind of a scent to
It no one likes to hear what you just did that’s interesting it’s very it’s liquor forward it’s it’s a drink that whatever you just made in this glass is liquor forward there’s a hint of the I can taste the Citrus there doesn’t seem to
Be a lot of fruit so the the pink in there interests me why don’t you go ahead and tell me what that is cuz it’s not bad three ingredient cocktail okay it is 3/4 an ounce of grenadine I am the pink obviously using uh Liber and Company’s grenadine mhm either use that
Grenadine or you just make your own grenadine 3/4 nobody’s making your own granadine it’s fairly easy and then uh three qu of an ounce of lime juice 2 oz of Apple Brandy and I use bottled and bond Apple Brandy interesting because see now that’s where I get the Citrus smell but
I don’t get the fruit taste this is incredibly drinkable so again it’s just what was it just lime juice apple Brandy and grenadine grenadine this is really good dude better than last week M much better than last week obviously we found out you’re not a fan of Campari no
Campar listen anything that has like a spice to it a bitterness I perfect I was sitting at a bar having an argument with a friend of mine about like uh not liking Christmas als’s I was like no it’s disgusting blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and as we’re sitting
There the bartenders kind of walking back and forth and then at some point later in the evening we’re arguing about garbage plates cuz I was like no no no no I just don’t like like there’s something about it not not that I don’t like garbage plates there’s something
About the meat sauce that just does not agree with me and then we got into different foods we hate and I brought up the fact that I hated Cincinnati and it was like the perfect moment because here I am bashing Skyline Chili garbage plates and Christmas Ale and this
Bartender just stops and goes well this all makes sense he goes I don’t want to butt in but you don’t like the Christmas Ale because there’s nut mag and cinnamon in it you don’t like garbage plates because there’s cloes and some of those same all you know all spicy kind of
Things going on there and you don’t like that because it shares the same family as these as the garbage plate sauce because they actually come from the same recipe and it was this whole like mind-blowing thing and then I started thinking back I just don’t like nutmeg
All spice cinnamon I don’t like any of the wintry kind of things so the second you even start to flirt with a flavor that’s like that and I have all of those forms FP out I have all of those forms in a syrup for oldfashioned allspice clove pistachio nutmeg I don’t mind
Pistachio I don’t mind pistachio but I got to tell you this is good and I can tell you I can already feel that uh that bottle of and bandness there’s a nice warm that’s the only only way to go with when you get apple Brandy is to go 100 Proof there’s
A there’s a nice warm sensation spreading across my chest I love this I’m ready for a podcast but guys I want to do this with a disclaimer you know we we like to have a good time here we like to Josh around as one will say but substance abuse is no laughing
Matter you know it’s something that affects you know wide swaths of our communities it um I’m sure we all have a family member or a friend who’s been affected by it and realistically I mean today I just want to implore people to uh you you reach out you know if you
Think that someone might be struggling don’t hesitate to reach out and asked the question are you okay now I don’t have his phone number but I’d like to ask the question are you okay Mike Tannon bomb I’m trading Deshawn Watson and a second round pick to the New York Giants
For Daniel Jones and hear me out if you’re the Cleveland Browns you have Dorian Thompson Robinson you have Joe flacko and now a 27-year-old Daniel Jones who has one year left to guaranteed money for $36 million and an enormous amount of flexibility moving forward and if you’re the Giants you’re
Getting tohaa Watson who’s 29 who’s making $46 million a year for the next three years and a second round pick and to me you need a Frontline differen making quarterback because Bart right now if you’re the Giants how in the world do you win the NFC when you
Have to beat San Francisco Green Bay Dallas Philly and Detroit with right yeah with Jones so to me Deshawn Watson hasn’t played well last couple years but he has a high upside and he’s only 29 years old that’s exactly right Hanah so when a number 412 pops up in Chicago
That’s the Pittsburgh area code number Ryan poles answer the phone it’s the Pittsburgh Steelers it’s Omar Khan and Mike Tomlin get a deal done with the Steelers that is an ideal fit for Justin fields and here’s why Arthur Smith is the new offensive coordinator of the Steelers he had massive success in
Tennessee with Ryan tanhill Ryan tanhill and Justin fields in my opinion have very similar skill sets they’re athletic stop it right there you can drop it right there hang on okay now I I have to stop laughing because this is a very serious matter obviously these are the words like we’ve
All heard lunacy you’ve heard me get intoxicated and say some wild things on this podcast but this is clearly a man in crisis I mean look at this f look at this picture this is a man in crisis what the hell is he talking about Chris Justin fields and Ryan tanah Hill
Have a very similar skill set you know athletically they’re very close you know once one’s one’s a dude who looks and is built like Daniel TSH and one of them is what would happen if you gave Josh Allen Cam Newton’s curtain throwing throwing ability what are are we even talking
About there’s no way that this man is well right no I wonder if he’s was it Apple Brandy that got M tanon bom before he went on air I think my favorite thing is he’s talking to Bart Scott at one point about this is how does ESPN put this man on TV
Chris like I have no idea this is one of those things where like I get it that like rage bait works on social media I can we use this as theage oh my God no can oh my God no can I put that on no
My god do you want me to put that on YouTube no no no Kanye knock it off all right I won’t they so this is what happens like like Chris you know clickbait rage bait all these things are working on social media that picture I just showed you would be
Clickbait oh my God it would be cons it would be it would be considered clickbait you you you flirt with this thing of being a network like ESPN where you say to yourself we need eyeballs especially during the off season like have you ever noticed like who was it
Uh not Nick Noti but the guy who looks like him uh Gary Bucy Gary Bucy was a Madman but he walks into a room and he draws every eye to him because you go what the hell not even who the hell what the hell just came in here I feel like while everyone’s
Questioning what’s going on with Mike tanon bomb over at ESPN I feel like that’s that’s kind of their stick now is they go oh man tanon bomb’s giving us gold we just throw him out there and on TV and he say he shamelessly says the things that only an intoxicated person
Would say at one point when he’s talking about how the Jets need to trade Zack Wilson to Denver for Jerry Judy straight up and they were like okay well then what about backup quarterback and he goes I’ve got it Russell Wilson Russell Wilson comes and backs up Aaron Rogers
For one year and starts invoking the name Vinnie test diie and Bart Scott leans over and takes his coffee cup and looks into it like are are you drinking apple Brandy like what the hell’s happened to you man are you boozing on the clock like Mike this
Is a Cry for Help look your friends are worried about you we’re not cuz I’m not your friend but but I’m sure there’s people out there who are hearing the things that you’re saying on television and they’re concerned about you like when you say that Kansas City should
Trade MC Trent McDuffy to Miami for Jaylen Wadd he said that on live TV he said that on television I couldn’t find the clip but it’s like Mike tanon bomb and then mikee tanom trade idea boom in the Google it it’s right there that does not
Make any sense for either team and I’m not I don’t know football it’s it’s what would happen if you caught me on a Saturday night at like 1:00 in the morning when I’m still awake in my basement bar and then came to me and said Drew
We’ll give you $20 if you just pretend to be the NFL trade like NFL trade machine you’re you want you want some ideas I’ve got ideas for you now one of these cockamamy schemes of his I mean the fact that he said the words like that’s a cry for help isn’t
It Ryan tanah Hill and Justin Fields have a very they’re very similar in what way that’s like the movie twins with Danny DeVito and Arnold schwarzen heger yeah they’ve got a lot of similarities he brought up the fact that the Bills should trade Stefan Diggs to the Bears for cornerback Tyreek Stevens
Star rookie cornerback Tyreek Stevens the Bills should trade him there for a quarterback how much does that cost us our cap actually goes up about $8 million it actually costs us $8 million to facilitate that trade it’ll move us to negative 60 million and then also you think about the logic of that
You’re adding a cornerback to a room that already has uh teron Johnson who is one of the highest paid quarterbacks in the entire NFL right now like the bills have work to do there you know some people have talked about the fact that maybe an extension and then restructure makes
Sense just to get us over this hump you’ve got rul Douglas who you just traded for who’s got a $9 million cap number you’ve got Christian Benford you’ve got a struggling first round pick in kyum who’s having a hard time getting on the field and you want to throw another sophomore player into
That mix along with a Trey white that nobody really knows what how the bills feel about it Ryan LEL loves it when I use the term hat on a hat but that’s absolutely what this would be it’s just hat on a hat you’re making a trade to see no benefit unto
Yourself you’re just making it and you’re not even getting a better football team out of it at the end of the day the whole thing it’s one of the dumbest things that ever heard in my life it’s there there’s just a lot of things here like Tannon bomb I don’t
Know what you’re doing I do know that this idea of trading Stefan digs Chris we’ve all pointed to the fact that it’s dumb right it’s not possible there’s no way to get rid of Stefan digs it makes it zero Financial sense for the bills to not have them on the roster
Unless this is kind of a tease for a show we’re going to do here in about a week with uh ski Paul weski of hash Sports usually we do our own celery cap primer but those are so I don’t want to call them p a but I feel like they’re
Everyone’s doing them yes everyone’s done theirs everyone’s done all of the gesticulations about how do we get under the cap and how do we get players and how do we how do we get the band back together and try to win a Super Bowl next year I’m going to play a little Devil’s
Advocate and just ask the question what if we don’t what if we don’t this is a a a a replay of 2019 when when did we try to get under was it 2018 or 19 2018 2018 so you’re trying to you’re saying replay 2018 I’m not saying replay it I’m saying maybe
This team is talented enough and well coached enough that you could do what the Chiefs did in 2022 which is you you could position yourself a little bit better in terms of long-term cap take a season try to get lucky and hit a stretch where you’re healthy and can
Make a run and at the same time trust the fact that your coaches can do their job and make good with the talent that you have on hand part of which includes one of the best quarterbacks in the entire NFL I’m just saying it’s going to be an interesting kind of walk through
It’s going to be an interesting walk through the salary cap for sure but it just feels like they could send these ES PN guys a flyer right like they wouldn’t don’t they have a staff like we all know Bill Barnwell doesn’t do his own work doesn’t he have a
Staffer who could just come to him and say hey Bill before you talk about this here’s the seller cap impact do you want to try to sell we can celebrate something what’s that now cuz I’m a nerd and I follow all the sports media mhm did you know that Ryan Clark’s contract
With ESPN expired without a deal so he’s a free agent correct call him let’s see hey do you want to come be a part of The Rockpile report there’s no money in it I would not hire him at all we’re hard we’re hard to work with we’re not the prettiest group why
Would he is an idiot so are you but I still like you no he’s legitimately come out in the media and said that he puts together his takes specifically for like engagement yes like you know how like skip bis works like Ryan T or Ryan Clark has that
Same mindset now unfortunately for him Jam Jamie Horwitz does not uh work in sports television anymore to make him more money but I mean Ryan Clark is a [ __ ] idiot now here’s what I will say I let Mike tanon bomb get me right I did the thing the thing you’re not
Supposed to to do where you don’t let some idiot get you all wound up about things but I saw this and I couldn’t help but like like it touched me emotionally seeing some of the stupidity that’s just rolling out of this guy’s mouth do I believe he has a problem no
No I don’t believe he has a problem other than the fact that like he’s painfully bald I almost feel like he’s a guy whose head is so round and bald he needs to go the Aaron Quinn and get some sideburns on that thing fast like give your face some definition man because
You look awful like you if you looked up Ponch in the dictionary there might be a picture of Mike tanon bomb next to it with that said with that said you know what we can do over here no you just brought Aaron Quinn up yeah I could do
The same thing as Aaron Quinn see look at this Aaron Quinn stole this from Woody pagee I can’t I can’t spell you can’t spell yeah there see that now it’s on yeah perfect in the shot now it’s real yeah you see it anybody that watches cover one uh Aaron Quinn he stole this
Idea from Woody page now I have to Google who the hell Woody page is he’s a sports columnist for or was with the Denver Post okay what did he steal from him this was his this was his move on when he was on around the horn I can’t even position he
Would like sit like this direct a camera and he would have a whiteboard over his shoulder and it would have this it would have something like something something on his whiteboard why are you taking shots to Aaron Quinn I love Aaron Quinn you’re s see we really are just a
Collection of jerks over here but God do we have fun yeah yeah so with that in mind guys I let Mike tanon bomb get me I wouldn’t suggest anybody make a habit out of it the guy’s a fired GM for a reason not just fired but like fired
Fired like if you look at like what is Mike tanon bomb’s career back Mike Tannon bomb Pro I’ll pull it up yeah you give that a goog and throw it over here on this m do you want his Wikipedia yes just bring me the Wikipedia so with that in mind I let
This guy get a rise out of me and this is the time of year where you’re going to see so much of that because there’s no in there’s no action to talk about they’re all just trying to drive conversation that they get to be the focal point of even if you hate them
You’re going to watch them I gave him so much of my time I went down a rabbit hole last night and woke up this morning told Chris we have to do a bit and I hate it I hate that we have to do it got
Me look look at how much time he spent with the Jets Jesus director maybe that’s the problem no that’s the problem dude do you notice where the problem is look at his career history on the right side 97 to 2000 director of player contracts that’s a problem if you don’t
Know what you’re talking about well that’s my favorite is he gets to walk in and go guys let me tell you what I think they should do and then talks about trading players with no con cep of what a contract is or what the how the cap
Works like they had a cap back in 2000 but also maybe that’s why you weren’t that guy anymore I don’t I don’t know what I do know is that we should all like make a packed together to not let these Talking Heads who are clearly in this self
Aggrandisement look at that you see that read what his Wikipedia says in April 2019 tan bomb joined ESPN as an NFL front office Insider he’s as much a front office Insider is it’s like hey man I worked at a bank once I’ll tell you all about how high Finance
Works points what are points those are on the scoreboard in football right liquidity rates B you don’t need those puts calls options nobody needs to understand these things they’re all just madeup words they don’t mean anything I he is as much an NFL front office Insider as I am a captain of industry
And we’ll leave it at that don’t make the same mistake I did guys over the next month and a half as free agency gets closer and as you know as these as these media people spin and spin and spin trying to keep your eyeballs on them don’t get sucked into
It give the people who do the work that you think is worthy of your time give them your attention the bloviators and the people who are out here just being like I don’t even know what you want to call them what do you call that the uh the guy
Like a Carney at a fair who’s just like a Carnival Barker who’s just yelling absurd things to get your attention please ignore them and please stop tweeting about how angry you are about what this person thought or how stupid they are we we all know we all have eyes
And we hopefully all have common sense I feel like tanon bomb gave us all I’d like to think we all learned something from like tanon bomb today which would be the first time anyone said that since I don’t even know the early like the early 90s sure I’m I’m assuming he taught one
Of his kids to walk allegedly allegedly so the idea of trading Stefan Diggs like that seems almost particularly stupid when you talk about the fact that we might be losing Gabe Davis that’s been part of the Bill’s fan base conversation this week after him and his agent released a video which cover one
Was I I I guess helped with the video production and getting all the clips and Gathering all that you didn’t know that Chris I saw the I saw the cover one thing being tagged I didn’t know that they that Eric and Eric knows Gabe he’s
Got well I know that I know that they have a relationship and he’s done mean he doesn’t have Shen gillis’s relationship with him but I get that they have like I know they have a relationship but I didn’t know it was so far where like cover one was involved
With the production of that video but I mean they sourced some the video and anybody some of the cut UPS anybody that is a Bills fan knows that Gabe is as good as gone well it’s interesting when you talk about how we got here though people go he’s
Gone there’s a lot to unpack when it comes to his situation first of all it was all preempted by that Dawson Knox contract that’s something not a lot of people are talking about and I I feel like it needs eyeballs because in hindsight that looks pretty rough
Doesn’t it Chris yeah now to walk you through why I feel that way Chris I sent you a spreadsheet last night because I this is how this is how much it irked me I made a chart I made a chart to kind of put together how in terms of rankings Dawson Knox has
Performed just among all tight ends in the NFL year overy year since 2020 now 2020 the year before he was signed to a contract extension you I mean guys if you’re watching on YouTube you can see the numbers I don’t have to read them to you for those of you watching this listening
To it 2020 he was 42nd in the NFL in receptions he was 34th in yards he had a 9% drop rate his cap hit though was the 91st in the NFL no one cared no one cared there was a million people making more money than him 2021 I believe 2021 was the extension
Year correct yeah 18th in receptions 15th in yards fourth in touchdowns and everyone went up see what a great what a great great deal reduced his drop rate everything was good because he was making the 57th highest cap hit in the NFL fast forward to 2023 and it looks
Rough 44th in reception 49th in total receiving yards tied for 47th in touchdowns with just two his drop percentage went back up over the 10% mark for the first time since 2019 and his cap hit is now the was the 14th highest in the NFL and you see the direction that’s
Trending you know why that’s problematic right because when you signed him you didn’t know you were going to draft the Dalton King Gade you didn’t need to know you were going to run is it 12 12 person and then what happened was they found out real
Quick oh well he’s banged up he’s going to games we’re going to put concade okay we have to do wide receiver things with concade we’re not going to run the 12 Personnel stuff with concade that was the early thing in the season it started off with this idea that we could run
Them both 12 Personnel it’s going to be awesome it’s going to be everything we want it to be and then Knox gets dinged up he misses some time here he’s not exactly effective here there you could almost point to the fact that like King kade’s usage was a little
Static at the beginning of the season because they were trying to figure out where he fit they didn’t want to overload him I don’t know what the case is but you see it in the numbers some games he’d get six targets some games he had two there’s no there was no middle
Ground where he just leveled off which tells me they didn’t have a plan they were just kind of feeling out how can K was going to fit in well then Knox goes on to miss some time and when they did that and then and then dorsy gets fired and they bring in
Brady and the offense gets away from the 12 Personnel stuff and they become a 11 personnel offense except it’s dton King Kade stealing snaps from your extended tight end so now we’re here talking about a 2024 season where he’s going to have the fifth highest cap hit in the entire NFL
At the tiend position and he’s not a starter on his own team that’s a problem I don’t care how you slice it that is a problem it’s frustrating to think that we’re going to lose a boundary wide receiver because we chose to spend money on a tight end who not only hasn’t
Developed into a legitimate playmaker but at the same time the production that we do get from him all the intang let’s call it the intangible stuff he’s King Kate is not a good run blocker he’s he’s maybe downfield if I have to make a block on a passing play or
A but he’s not a run blocker like gasi kind of except he doesn’t suck at catching the ball too like he’s actually good at catching the ball it’s not nearly enough to justify you being in the top five for cap cost in the NFL there’s no way you can justify
Having Dawson Knox on this roster at that cost and yet there’s no talk about us trading Dawson Knox is there is he tradable no one’s okay but answer my question when is the last time you heard the idea even floated that we should trade Dawson knox’s off
Season uh just out of your mouth okay what’s funny is that knowing let’s see Buffalo Bills Sor cap table I’m going to Google it right now can I recommend you a team sportre.com can and I want to manage the roster I just want to see what happens
Because because this is my let me can I let me throw you out my idea mhm of a team that could use a tight end they have a tight end I think in the same age bracket as Dawson Knox but just because they got a new offensive
Coordinator could we get rid of of Knox in a trade to Pittsburgh where Arthur Smith who was known for using Kyle pittz who was supposed to change the league no that’s Mel Fein no see these are Madden this isn’t Madden so what I’m looking at here is I’m just looking at
The tight ends around the NFL and I’m thinking to myself if I could offload Dawson Knox to another team that has a legitimate run blocking tight end so let’s go Baltimore Ravens and let’s see who can I get my hands on here let’s see one of their running
Backs I’m I’m just looking no no I’m looking for a tight end who isn’t well I guess they tra they drafted him all and then traded him away Charlie ker yeah I guess they’re a non-starter but either way let me just throw a dart let’s say the Cleveland Browns they’re another
Good running football team who do they have a tight end outside of David and joku they have Jordan Akin okay so I want to process this trade and I want to see what happens to our cap so I’m now looking at 2024 dead cap of $1 million so you’re increasing the salary
Cap to make to facilitate this trade and getting him off the roster like this is the most expensive year you could release him he has an out at the end of this season at the same time isn’t that kind of the Stefan digs sit situation and how come nobody in the media is
Talking about okay we’ll trade Stefan digs trade Dawson Knox trade Dawson KNX and a pick for a bag of nothing and get him off the books now oh no that’s stupid oh it’s because he has no value doesn’t that make that look like a glaringly bad signing if the national media isn’t even
Aware of who Dawson Knox is and yet he’s got the fifth highest would it look like a bad would it look like a bad signing if we had had uh not drafted concade cuz I think I think no would I think of concade being drafted in his production that he had
This year as a rookie tight end makes you look at Knox and go Bean what the [ __ ] are you doing yeah what did you do you got hammered One Night in your office you were feeling lonely you were you saw a picture of you saw a
Picture of Doss and kns on your wall and you went and had a BL checkbook you went I should call that girl Chris have you ever done that have you ever done the uh drunken phone call no I should text that girl see how she’s doing no I’ve had that happen to
Me please tell me how that went awful who was it the last one oh no really yeah yeah after the whole split well I mean it depends on which time wait a minute whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you’re dropping a bombshell on me I need to hear this there’s no bombshell
There’s you know we were on and off but then there was there was a time where we were off and then I got like a drunken text from her and then it was all right well let’s try to fail at this again which is exactly what happened what a disaster God
Chris I love you see I love what this show is it’s honesty we’re not Mike tanon bombing you here no we it’s Eddie it’s Eddie Brady it’s Eddie Brady we we give you some what do they call it the uh what they used to call that back in
The 70s with the straight the straight great talk there’s no Jive there’s no Jive here in this podcast is semi was a semipro Jive jerkey the funny thing is some of our listeners are old enough to remember when that was popular oh man right now
Vince and Jake are like God come on got me come on you got me okay so back to Gib Davis we got sidetracked polarizing player right because half the fan base will tell you if you just bring up Gabe Davis if you walk into any room and go hey so what do
You think about Gabe Davis you will get three people who go that that guy’s overrated don’t think depends if you’re talking in the context of Gabe Davis versus isai hodin Nate giri Nate you’ll have the people who tell you he’s wildly undervalued and then you’ll have the people who tell you oh he’s
Overrated we can replace what he does it’s not a big deal now every single off season since he became the outside wide receiver back in what after we let uh because he only shared the field with um it was 2000 is when we drafted him he
Shared the field with John Brown for one year in 2021 is when they if I’m my memory serves 2021 is when they allowed John Brown to walk in free agency he only had a two-year deal they allowed him to leave you talking the 2020 bills yeah 2020 they were both on the team
John Brown and Gabe Davis Gabe Davis had six touchdowns that year I believe then they went on The Following Season here we go you got that pulled up for me yeah so 2020 they shared the field and you look at where Gabe Davis is he was second on the team in touchdowns was
Seven his rookie season they let gab they let John Brown Walk the following year because obviously when you have a rookie with 600 yards and seven touchdowns you want to see what that looks like because you might have just caught especially on a rookie deal yes so they let John Brown
Walk they put Gabe Davis outside Chris if you just want to scroll up to the top and click next season it’ll show you the year stats from the next year so in the that Following Season we all expected Gabe to take that big step and he didn’t
That’s okay cuz he still scored six touchdowns I believe he went 767 and it was still a good season but you saw the drops you saw the lack of crispness that he ran his routes with you saw some of the weaknesses in his game and that’s when I started pounding
The table saying okay we need a better ex receiver and we should let him play more from the slot and we should do that because he doesn’t run great routes but he’s a physical mismatch there and if you actually look go to Pro Football Focus look at his spread chart of where
He accumulated his yards over the course of these Seasons where he was setting I think he now has more touchdowns at this age or this many years AC crew in the league more touchdowns than Tyreek Hy leads the NFL all of it came in the middle of the
Field when he was able to get on a linebacker get on a safety get on somebody who has a mismatch with think about that Kansas City game where he set the playoff record for most touchdowns in a game he was constantly being covered by safeties and he would find a
Way to split up the field get on a safety and he’s a total mismatch yet every time you Shuffle him out to the out wide good cornerbacks who are more physical and more Savvy and have the boundary they have the sideline at their disposal they can do a lot of things
That take his rare physical traits and make them worth less than they would be somewhere else along the offensive formation so I’ve been pounding the table for years that we need to get needed to get a real X or somebody else out there and let Gabe work where he does the most
Damage his numbers this season is a touchdown score I will admit could have been higher if he and Allen could have connected on a few more of those like Choice routes you look at the option route that they ran against Philly in overtime if Ellen hits that pass we win that game
And then Gabe Davis has another touchdown to his credit there was at least two or three other situations like that over the course of the season but he also doesn’t have a single season of more than 840 receiving yards and one stat that sticks out to me
And I understand that all stats require Nuance you know I saw a thing from Warren sharp yesterday where R tweeted out like it was something along the lines Chris you might be able to find another our timeline maybe slap in the the YouTube video but it’s Warren sharp talking about how the
Long like average depth of a touchdown pass or long touchdown passes and Tyrod Taylor it was like 22 point something yards he led the NFL during his time here and Josh Allen was like eighth Patrick Mahomes was like seventh it’s like this is why stats need context but sometimes you need stats to
Provide contacts Gabe Davis for all of his catching prowess everyone goes oh he can catch contested balls he’s big he’s physical he can go up and fight for the football he doesn’t have a single season with more than 180 yards after the catch Shakir Chris did not have a
Prolific year this year right like he came on down the stretch but he didn’t have an overwhelming season no he had 282 yards after the catch D ConEd 311 he just doesn’t operate well in space the way and whether you want to blame the quarterback I know there’s some
People listening to these podcasts who will say well it’s Josh Allen’s fault because he doesn’t throw with anticipation I’ve seen it I understand where you’re talking about he is to blame for some of our yards after the catch issue but it’s tough looking at guys who are making
Half what Gabe Davis is set to make and going can I make this up in the aggregate can I make up what he gave me in the Aggregate and get another body on the outside now this doesn’t make him bad or mediocre he’s a good NFL pro who excels
In the red zone and in the right system like people have already talked about him going to Kansas City it would be a great thing for him to go play with Patrick Mahomes Chris he would absolutely destroy our defense at least once a year 100% but what are you going to do those
Are the the this is the hand you’re dealt and you can hand ring about it and talk about what’s right and wrong the reality is you can’t break the bank the way some of the teams out there can and will for a player who’s got his touchdown
Production and at the same time know that he’s not especially for a team like ours right like we talked about moving Stefan Diggs into the slot last week with Joe with Joe Miller if that’s your plan you can’t pay that guy that kind of money to be your boundary wide receiver
When he can’t do it at an a high enough level to take the pressure off Diggs to move him inside you just can’t now maybe they find a way to get him under contract for less than top of Market money which would be like his price tag is interesting to me it’s
Going to tell me a lot about where the wide receiver Market’s going and I also think it’s advantageous that it’s going to happen for Buffalo now I think that it’s kind of a Brandon Bean is smart to slow play this and not rush to give to
Stay in touch with him give him your price but maybe maybe don’t even give him your price because Chris you remember how every free agents talked about that Hab Bean has always been very transparent with them yeah about this is what we can spend this is what we think
This is where we value you we we understand if you have to take another offer I’d be interested to see where the market for wide receivers is heading because more and more college wide receivers are coming into the NFL and finding success the bust rate on them
Has dropped over the years I saw a tweet from Brett Coleman about this and he was asking the question did is has scouting gotten better or has the NFL game just gotten coordinated and officiated to a point where it’s easier for Collegiate wide receivers to step in and make a
Splash your one your Z flowers your your uh Jordan Addison’s your guys like that who are not early first run draft picks but who are still coming in making a sizable impact in that world what is the price tag for a guy who doesn’t have a thousand yard
Season what is the price tag for a guy who is a Red Zone monster and who can get away have have a couple big games every year but also might disappear on you now maybe you’re the team that it all comes down to personal preference I
Guess if you want to gamble that you are the team with the scheme that can make unlock that guy make him the man God bless you if you’re not though you’re it’s a very big gamble to take wouldn’t you say Chris yeah now with that said I’m going to be very
Interested to see and I think Bean is smart to snow slow playay this to find out what the market looks like what deal does t Higgins get he’s going to get a lot now maybe he gets franchise Tagg which we’re going to talk about in tonight’s other show that we’re about to
Record franchise tags and all that fun stuff as uh the free agent Market takes takes shape but realistically you’re talking about a player who’s not qualified to be top of Market how much does inflation raise the price tag for a guy like that what’s the fit where that go
Or are GM’s now looking at the draft going look at all these recent successes we can kind of do what we do with running backs to a certain degree like if you’re not Elite then you’re just another guy in which case we could almost look to the draft to get a
Similar player unless we think we’re going to win a Super Bowl in which case you spend whatever you think you have to spend it’s going to be really interesting to watch his Market unfold and watch like this is a good case study St for where we are in terms of the NFL
And how teams prioritize the wide receiver position because he’s not the man probably shouldn’t get paid like the man and you’re entering a phase of the off season where everyone’s looking at the draft going man those wide receivers there’s a lot of them in this class does this almost end up working
Out in their favor if you’re on team retain Gabe Davis now if you’re on team upgrade maybe how much of how much of it is what is the free agent market for the wide receiver class plus what is the free agent class coming in via the draft exactly and that’s it
It’s just what can you bring in at a better price let’s just see it’ll be interesting to see especially knowing where our cap situation is I mean I look at Players like Odell Beckham Junior and Mike Evans both of them are going to get paid at least on
An average annual basis more than Gabe Davis I’m willing to bet money on that from there this wide receiver class isn’t incredibly deep so I’m just it’s I don’t know I don’t know it’s definitely it’s definitely something to consider but at the same time I I don’t
Know that we’ve seen the last of him and I also don’t know that if we have if it’s the worst thing in the world you have a dton king Gade 50th in the NFL in targets with Room to Grow was used in spurts but kind of came on late what I
Like is that his last four weeks 11 first downs one touchdown and 69 yards a game over the last month of football it’s almost like he found his stride in this offense and Allen realized hey I can trust that guy he’s going to make plays for me James
Cook cook was top 20 among running backs for targets he was eighth in receiving yards he was also eighth in drop rate so hit the jugs machine kid Jesus tied for third and receiving touchdowns with running backs with four it’s pretty good right pretty good and left plenty of
Meat on the bone whether it was misc’s early misusage early on in the season benching him for a game after fumbling the football probably isn’t smart right yeah there’s just a lot here that you look at it and then you look at khil Shakir what is his what does his
Potential development look like this is a kid who outpaced Gabe Davis every single season he’s had in yards after the catch he’s proven that you can line him up outside and he can find his way to production he can also operate from the slot he’s got he’s got what do they call
That uh multiple functions he’s got functionality I don’t know I don’t know there’s a fancy word that draft pundits like to use when they’re like oh this guy he’s a he’s a it’s like in baseball when you call a guy a five tool player cool I can’t wait to get a DM
From Terry White at 4 a.m. with the term that you’re looking for uh Terry what I love about Terry is that he’ll pick the most obs sker part of a podcast and be like well actually and just but but he’s always right it’s incredibly interesting how much I learn
From that guy via 4 a. DMs I Be Still rocking that Reed that Fedora that Reed gave me that I gave to him I hope his wife is like Furious I’m sure she hates it although I’m not going to lie if he’s survived this long she probably probably just she
Probably doesn’t much care what he does so guys you understand where I’m going with this I mean we will miss some things run blocking would be problematic like that’s that’s an issue sherfield already showed us like you can be a good run blocking wide receiver and
Still be a problem if we have to rely on you and then like I don’t know I just think that I think I just think the other intangible he gave you was that one think about how many fail the Deep passes to Deontay Hardy we watched this
Year for some reason whenever they tried to run a post or a deep route it was always like throw it to Hardy the shortest guy in the wide receiv did he get the ball the only thing that that guy’s known for is that punt return against
Miami no they tried to I could I can’t remember a time I can’t remember a time this year where like a specific play where they he was the specific Target uh touchdown against the Giants just off the top of my head touchdown against the Giants um there was another play where
Got big he got a third down converion I don’t remember that touchdown against the Giants cuz you were telling me to get out of the [ __ ] truck listen that’s what you get for Backseat driving guys know this if you backy drive me in the middle of a prime time
Football game that is not going well that I’m abandoning the stadium for I will throw you out of my vehicle or at least attempt to you’re lucky Doug was there if Doug wasn’t in the vehicle I would have put my truck in the ditch and
Then we both just just so you also had to walk home well no I wouldn’t have to based on location I would have just cut through someone’s yard and then I would have been at Reed’s house and I would have just waited for him to get home
From the game like hey can I crash on your couch what happened Drew’s truck is in the ditch on the other side of this on this Pond here yeah realistically guys a dynamic you’re going to hear a lot about is how we shop for wide receivers I’m going to be
Interested to see how the market shapes out but realistically we’re going to be looking for something different we’re going to talk about it in our next podcast but I feel like Chris for tonight we’ve talked about pretty much everything every we where are we at it’s
February I know but where are we at 5 3 minutes good is I’m happy we have time left because I got to run this by you I didn’t want to end the show without it the bill came the bill finally came from the Buffalo Bills for our season
Tickets yeah first of all I want I want I want you to take a stab at trying to guess what it was like how much do you think the invoice was for if I had to like guess and um do we have eight or nine home games
This year it’s a good question you want to give that a goog I well didn’t we have the wasn’t the Jacksonville England game ours as a home game cuz wasn’t Jacksonville y already out there yep so we had that was our ninth home game so we’re we’re going to
Have uh eight home games this year because that extra game gets played on the road I’m going to say that all are 680 per se more I went eight eight games by $85 is it a 100 bucks those are rookie numbers we got a bump those numbers up
How bad is this I don’t know about bad it is what it is dog well I mean yeah I know I get that we’re good how much is it per game let me do some quick math here because we have eight home games I think our I think our extra game
Is Detroit this year it’s $93.75 a game it’s not bad still no but guess how much our bill was for I would have no idea $3,004 $3,000 4 do you want to know why it’s 3,4 so I just did 9375 * 8 750 there’s also tax time 4 there’s also
Tax which brought it to $3,000 mhm so 3,4 why is it 3,4 Chris I don’t know did we is it something for the new stadium we had to we had to pay for bail money for someone that fell in the the pit because they charge you a $1 per seat convenience
Fee well because you’re Auto renewing online we charge you a $1 convenience fee can we stop this I’ve had enough don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining it’s one of my favorite phrases of all time you need to gouge me for an extra dollar just [ __ ] do it
And roll it into the same line item as my ticket cost don’t tell me that it’s a convenience free because this isn’t convenient there’s a you you chose to do this for you me re-enrolling instead of sending you a piece of paper with my signature on it that you then have to
Copy and file away somewhere and store and somebody has to touch it like all of that costs you money I’m saving you money you should owe me a dollar for convenience I’m saving you a shitload of over overhead by doing this online and instead you have the balls to tell me
That it costs me a dollar for my own convenience just take the dollar tell me my tickets are 9475 instead of 93 don’t put it out like am I the like I know I’m splitting hairs but I dis enrages me and you know who’s going to hear about it Zack Richards our
Ticket agent every single year I think he cring and when by you say he’s going to hear about it you just want me to clip this and we’ll send it to him we might cuz every single year I call him and give him a hard time about this and
It’s gotten to the point where it’s like you can hear the defeat in his voice I call him every year I go Zack I don’t understand this extra $4 you got to explain it to me he goes well we talked about it last year I go I want
You to tell it to me again like I explain it to me like I’m five whatever they’re paying Zack it’s it’s not enough it’s not enough to have to do with we should clip this and just I’ll email it to him like Zach I need you to
Hear how much [ __ ] I think that you’re $1 per $1 per seat convenience fee is am I am I being crazy here I’m tired of this stop inventing fees for nothing this is all bunch of [ __ ] what is fun Chris pointed this out no PSL talk last year they started sending out
Emails last summer they were ready they like they made it sound via email like they were ready to roll out PSL pricing and then it just all kind of went quiet and then this season comes and there’s no talk of people because like last year it was hey let us explain to
You how this is all going to go and we have this big interactive room where you’re all going to be able to come in and pick out your seats and you’re going to see a render 3D rendering of the stadium and you can interactive [ __ ] inside of a room full of like this
Sounds like a sketch from I think you should leave at this point because we’ve reached a place where I haven’t heard a word about psls but you know what that tells you Chris what are psls tied to I don’t know per well the person seat license no no no but beyond that
Philosophically your PSL is a direct cash infusion to the team yeah usually those go to cover construct like construction costs they like listen we know we’re getting any Stadium that’s done it in the past we know we’re getting State money we also need a chunk
Of money from the fans so we’re g to sell you the rights to buy your own seat I get why people are against it I’m not here to argue the philosophical difference between paying or not paying for a PSL but what’s interesting is this idea
That they were all ready to go with psls and then the actual construction started and all of a sudden they got real quiet about it now as we know the deal that they signed with New York state says the bills are are required to cover all cost
Overruns in most deals it’s kind of left open like Hey we’re going to we’re going to collaborate together we’re going to agree on an initial transfusion blah blah blah the New York State deal was we give you X and you are left to come up
With Y that gets us to Z and if the Y grows New York State’s not responsible for that should we deem it concerning they’ve been delaying the release of this this cash infusion that typically just gets thrown right into whatever Ledger is paying Out Construction costs that they don’t know
What that number is enough or they can’t force for what that number’s going to be enough to know what to charge us are you telling me that Ryan L’s coming Ryan lel’s coming over soon that’s exactly what I’m telling you me and Lil are going to sit here and
Do a deep dive on this here in the coming weeks all about this because it’s interesting I I mean I’ve done some research on what current con what labor rates are looking like right now I mean I work in manufacturing raw materials like that’s like commodity prices these
Are things I’m tracking on a daily basis anyway there’s a lot of interesting stuff out there and I think that it all plays a direct role cuz that was your thing first of the gate how come no PSL stuff I bet you there’s a whole can of
Worms there just to get opened up let me ask you this so with psls not being what we’re what two we have two more seasons at at Ralph Wilson yeah Rich Stadium whatever you want to call it so we have two more seasons you haven’t announced psls
Yet is it in my best interest to believe that psls are now going they are up absolutely and more poor people are getting priced out I’ll go upstairs right now and give you 2,000 cash for a PSL all I know man is that there’s something going on here and it’s
Interesting I like it now you know all season long I’ve been deploring the bills on Twitter tweeting emailing poor Zack Richards emailing poor Zach in the middle of the Season you know we lose to the Bengals I tweeted it out and then I also emailed him separately to just be
Like if the Bill’s front office wasn’t such a bunch of cowards they would just announce the PSL prices today today the day we’re already mad at you people just give me the numbers I also said it after the Kansas City loss I think I also said there was
Some other game where I like was like this is the day let’s do it after the Eagles loss just hit us with the PSL numbers we’re already angry what do you think about that philosophically bad news on top of bad news would you rather get it that way I
Don’t give a [ __ ] what the PSL is no no no in fact maybe this is an after dark topic guys maybe you should tune in later we have a conversation to have about this guys it’s going to be interesting to see where this goes but watching the lack of PSL information is
A little bit telling as far as where that price tag is going and the fact that they haven’t been able to dial into it and start because Chris you’d love to they would love to get their hands on that cash yeah they would love to be
Able to tell you and I here’s how much you each owe me in order to keep your seat so the fact that that’s not even being discussed or broached with us tells you they don’t know how much to ask for let me ask you this how many people have how many season ticket
Holders are there I think it was somewhere in the ballpark of about 55,000 maybe close edging up towards 60 so if you did 55,000 times $22,000 PSL 110 million it’s 110 mil I think they’re trying to figure out how many more million did we get in over our heads on
This it’s going to be interesting to see where it goes but for tonight we got to get the hell out of here make sure you tune in to our other podcasts because we’ve got a lot coming up we’ve got uh free agent tag talk we’ve got a little
Bit of free agency conversation because I think that there’s everybody’s rushing to name their favorites right everybody this is the guy I want here’s what I think makes sense for the bills and the landscape is still shifting and there’s a lot of things to point at there and
I’m not willing to do any in-depth research until I see how that plays out we’re going to talk about that we got an after dark coming up that I’ve got a really great topic for I’m excited about this week but for tonight we got to get
Out of here or at least this podcast I’m Drew gear that’s Chris Krueger and this is your Rockpile report
