Russell Wilson, Derrick Henry rumors + Steelers’ QB quandary | Rotoworld Football Show (FULL SHOW)

Patrick Daugherty (@RotoPat) and Denny Carter (@CDCarter13) dig into the NFL offseason news cycle, beginning with the latest Russell Wilson, Steelers quarterback, and Russell Wilson/Steelers quarterback rumors (see what we did there, folks?). Next, they debate the Ravens’ supposed interest in a pedigree running back, Tank Dell’s rehab, and Kliff Kingsbury’s impact in Washington. They end the show breaking down Denny’s recent article on QBs vs. two-high safety looks, focusing on Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Jordan Love and Will Levis. #nbcsports #nfl #fantasyfootball

Chapters:
(00:00) – Welcome to the show!
(01:00) – What Pat and Denny are writing about during the NFL “Offseason”
(07:30) – Rumor Mill: Possible destinations for Russell Wilson, the Steelers’ QB dilemma and potential Derrick Henry-Ravens marriage
(29:45) – Other News & Notes: Projecting the Commanders with OC Kliff Kingsbury and timetable for Tank Dell to rejoin the Texans
(42:30) – QBs vs Two-High Safeties: Examining trends with Will Levis, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow

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Russell Wilson, Derrick Henry rumors + Steelers’ QB quandary | Rotoworld Football Show (FULL SHOW)
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Hello everybody Welcome to the root World football show it’s the off season I am Patrick Dy joined today by Mr Denny Carter where as we do every show we will talk about Russell Wilson we’ll talk about the Ravens adopting my plan to sign Derrick Henry or some there’s relue

Reports that they’re going to sign a legit running back we’ll talk about cliff kingsberry in Washington even though we may be already talked about that we’ll talk about tank Dell coming back from a severe lower body injury and how to break down the Texans receiver AKA tank Dell versus Nico Collins in

2024 we’ll talk about the quote internal division as to which terrible Steelers quarterback should be the week one starter next year and then last but far from least we’re about Denny’s article on quarterbacks versus the dreaded twoo High safety looks but we’ll get the off season and the season the season is so

Off the season is so off and I say what have you done your first post season week you because the season in some ways the offseason begins when you’re a football Rider like the the second the week 18 games in the playoffs are actually kind of lower key but you know

Going to the Super Bowl these past few years I I feel like it doesn’t really set in that it’s the offseason till we get back from Vegas or LA or wherever yeah yeah we’ve only had like a week or two what are you doing to pass the time

Uh rating constantly you are what is the deal with that by the way oh you know you know that’s just that’s it’s who I I cannot not write you know like I see I see like one interesting item on the timeline and I’m like I just start

Pulling that thread H what is what is what is this what what is going on here and then the next thing you know I’m I’m eyeballed deep in spread sheets and I have an article which is the two high safety article so that’s how that’s how

It goes that’s how I have been brought up that’s how I what is it what’s the term cut my teeth is that yeah cut your teeth writing an article my teeth are very sharp they’re very sharp teeth I’m the exact opposite kind of writer where I’m I’m an epics only writer I only

Start an article if I know it’ll take three weeks to do and I can’t I don’t do that and you know that I can’t you’re like your your 32 teams piece which if folks should check out on the site couldn’t do it couldn’t do it too

Way too much way too no you know why Pat I need immediate gratification immediate okay so I I need to I need to write something and I need to share it immediately and I need everyone to tell me how great it is immediately that’s I

Do yeah I go for the Big Score I go for the real score I chase the big score with my you do I’ve never chased the big score I’ve always just I want just a little dopamine at a time and it’ll give me through you should chase the Big Score

Sometimes this article is currently so are social media people they like to get clicks they like to get engagement but they don’t usually hang us out to dry they had a really good tweet on my article just like quoting my bingles right up yeah and it it’s it somehow

Created like a 48 hour Chiefs bingles fan more yeah it’s been pretty it’s pretty old school Twitter or bingles and cheese fans are just like in hand toand combat yeah like always so who’s winning between the Chiefs and the Bengals by the way the Chiefs fans have way better

Gifts and I mean but you know overall oh yeah yeah overall era who’s we have to measure that sometime oh I believe it is actually the Chiefs that’s basically the Chiefs fans only arguments in the M like the Bengals fans you’re getting in like the nitty-gritty like well sorry that

Like the 37th man in our roster isn’t as good as a 37th man on your Chiefs fans are just like Mahomes LOL and then just kind of move on tweet a gift of like Mom I mean but that’s every Kansas City conversation and we’ll get into it when

We talk about my piece but every Kansas City conversation begins and ends with momes LOL I know that’s it as you know that was basically my Super Bowl analysis it was and mine was actually no mine my my analysis was absolutely not Mahomes I’m rarely as right as I was

There and I was thinking the entire I wish I had gone harder on the Chiefs the entire ire playoffs because I kept saying you should have yeah the two the two x factors are Elite defense playmaking quarterback and so I was like dabbling in it the entire postseason

Where I was kind of I wanted to hint basically I thought the chiefs were GNA win the I did tweet on Christmas day that I thought the Chiefs would win the Super Bowl so I was kind of you did I was kind of covered but I wish I had

Rode it like a lot harder right right yeah that would have been good because you I know just talking with you offline like you know that you you did you did believe that and I I never I was never in I was like it cannot it cannot be

This simple it cannot just be you have one good quarterback and a good defense and you win the Super Bowl but we’re in the momes L era um it’s like you know like the N I’m a Wikipedia guy as everyone knows and if you just like went

On like the NFL Wikipedia page the one that you know literally just says National Football League I’m sure they have like an eras Tab and the T the era before this would say like Brady versus Manning versus Breeze like rivalry in this era will just say Mahomes L like

Even the football Scholars just the and underneath that section it’ll just be it’ll say Bengals and Bills fans were coping yeah say Bengals comma Bills fans uh colon cry Mo crymore cry cry and cope you can you can try either I don’t think either will help you at this point Chiefs fans have

Suggested many variations of crying and coping in my mentions to the pingles fans but I love how real the Rivalry is it’s going to be it’s gonna be already fired up for 2024 the day on threads which is another platform that I I visit I was called I was called the

Following I was called a 40 I’m sorry I was called a fan of the 40 winers you were all in on the 40 winers got me the Boomers got me I was like oh man I’m triggered you know you’re on threads yeah like you really get well you have 40 wiers and yeah

That’s how you get served oh man listen I I have to talk in a completely different voice over there because uh my my folks my folks on threads are not as Poisoned With irony as we are over on the X you know how you get served on threads Denny is by being on

Threads that’s how you get served no look it’s uh it’s good you keep trying to hedge your ex bets this is never gonna happen you can’t kill it no matter what you do you pour gasoline on and throw a match on it and literally nothing happens just keeps on living

It’s like uh it’s like Jason Vorhees really it is it’s it’s the perfect American Enterprise it’s like major league I used to call Major League Baseball the Great American cockroach no matter what you cannot kill it you cannot it always lives despite your best efforts and Twitter is approaching its

American cockroach Fage it’ll be known as Twitter Again by the way no it won’t it actually it actually has gotten I’m bothered when you say Twitter no I’m bothered when you say x call it X it’s not what it’s called it’s not called Twitter it’s Twitter forever it’s Twitter forever it’s Russell Wilson

Forever it’s the union forever ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler reports quote virtually no one around the league expects Russell Wilson to return to the Broncos in 2024 you kind of see this coming when Shawn pyton told me he was gonna bench him if he didn’t adjust his contract and then

He did and then you could also see it coming when Shawn pyton didn’t let him do literally anything after October like he’s you get to throw 15 passes a game with a total air yards of like 28 yards and they still barely won games you kind

Of see it coming uh when they mentioned him late in the year all that all that St also you could see it coming when Russell Wilson recently sold his house in Denver are you serious he put He put it on the market I should say wow how do

We not talked about that on Galaxy brains yet oh well it was an oversite by the interns I could is that the one with all the bathrooms we didn’t talk about that we did we did not talk about that but yeah there are still a lot of

Bathrooms we really got to talk about that in an upcoming Galaxy by the way check out last week’s stunning Galaxy brains where we got into the psyche of Ky Shanahan but me Russ is the definition of damaged goods at this point he was flopping at the end in

Seattle he’s flopped as hard as you can possibly flop in Colorado the past two years producer Adam sent us the betting odds for the show the Steelers we’ll talk about we’ll talk about after this actually we’ll get into our Steelers talk a good segue that’s what you do in

The industry if two topics are kind of related you try to talk about and you also call it out like that that’s so uh well it has the Steelers as the favorite then it has the Broncos still we just take the Broncos off the board though the Falcons the Patriots

The Raiders the Vikings do you have any lean on this any desire on this because toward the end of the year you were trying to say Russ was actually good and there were a lot of people getting mention saying that you were crying and

Coping and had watch Russ look I I was I quickly backed off that take because a someone in so many words told me to check my numbers again uh and eliminate garbage time from my S sample with Russell Wilson and when you eliminate garbage time uh Russell Wilson was worse

Than Desmond Ritter last year by almost every me wa are you serious yeah yeah yeah EPA success rate like fantasy points per dropback yeah it’s yeah so well then You’ also have to eliminate garbage time from Desmond Ritter stats I’ll say also so it’s kind of yeah I and

I didn’t do that uh but uh it scans from watching them though yeah so yeah Russell Wilson wasn’t asked to do a whole lot last year um I guess early in the year he looked okay from a statistical standpoint because the Broncos were just falling behind by multiple touchdowns every week and they

Just had to let it rip right and he was rushing a little bit and it seemed like okay I I remember this Russ but I don’t I don’t think that there’s any indication that he can get back to where he was when he was uh you know not even

A dominant fantasy quarterback but a viable fantasy that the thing he hasn’t given us anything to cling to the no nothing so I you know I think Pittsburgh would make sense just because they can’t really you know we’ll talk about this but they can’t really go with picket or

Or Mason Rudolph but I don’t know if Russell Wilson is that big of an upgrade and they’re gonna have to pay for him they’re gonna they you know he’s not he’s not free he’s not free I think the payment could probably be what he was drafted for though like a third round

Pick at this point and he’s been bad enough the past two years where I don’t think yeah you can assume that maybe he gets named the week one starter right off the bat he’s officially on like every week benching watch stage of his career right that could change if he

Comes out and has a good seven or eight first games and somehow reestablishes some sort of career Baseline but he has tanked hard enough where he’s not even in like the top half of the quarterback’s the he could be again but like his floor is no longer top 16 the

Eye test has been horrible the stats the stats were weirdly fine last year even just touchdown percentage was kind of high what’s the deal with this yeah I it’s the thing is that I his metrics didn’t fall off across the board but they it wasn’t a thing where where you

Could say okay I can see him getting back to where he was I I do think he could stabilize I think in the like the perfect sort of offensive conditions he could be fine I would say for real football purposes but for Fantasy I think that those those days are are gone

It’s totally over in fantasy I absolutely agreed and he’s got to go somewhere he’s got to throw it all the way back to when they didn’t let him pass and it was a totally run-based offense Pete Carol was right all along you he was really really hate to give it

To him but you hand it to him man has anyone ever been more right than p and then they they got fired for being right and then they hired they hired a guy who said we’re gonna establish the run and Pete car’s at home thinking wait

That’s why I was fired I know that’s my move so but the Steelers do make a ton of sense he’s got to go somewhere based it’s not just balanced that it’s a run-based offense the Steelers have the Personnel for that right very much have the offensive coordinator for that they have the head

Coach for that so the Steelers do make a lot of sense because as we’re about to get into they cannot possibly run it back with what they have ah yeah it’s it is it is unbeliev I mean the other teams I guess maybe the Falcons maybe sort of

The Falcons but the thing is that what they they’re gonna do won’t be different enough than what the Broncos did it has to be a team that’s like all the way in on the Run maybe the Falcons will be with their Shawn McVey disciples they have installed there and of course the

The Block Run blocking on their back field I guess the Falcons would be fine the Steelers just feel like like mentality wise not just Personnel wise like organizationally wise franchise wise like they’re all on the same page about just running the rock I I I agree culturally I think Russell Wilson fits

Well with a team that you know wants to play like it’s 1987 you know and and that’s that’s that’s the Steelers and that it always will be if this look if the NFL lasts until the year 3000 the Steelers will always be a run first team always they will except for those that

Ben rosberger and terum how do you pronounce that word I don’t know how to say that word I read it all the time I hate words that I read all the time that I don’t know how to say but say the Steelers the beat writer Jerry Dak Denny

Said there appears to be some internal division about who should be the Steelers starting quarterback next year is it yeah talk about like Titanic deck chair rearranging when you’re arguing over Kenny picket and Mason Rudolph and well no longer Mitchell he has been mutually agreed to part ways AKA he was mercilessly

Released mercil mercifully merci mer both mercil released so I I interrupted your train of thought there officially transferred to Steelers I’m you know per the numbers Mason Rudolph was world’s better than Kenny picket last year there is no argument for going back to Kenny Piet besides if you have like a gut feel

You know about the the argument is development it’s that’s is the only argument because it wasn’t just the numbers it was also the eye test they became a competent offense with Mason Rudolph they did they did yeah and and and an efficient passing offense um and I think that’s what they’re looking for

That’re you know they they don’t want Mason Rudolph droing Back 40 times hell they don’t want him dropping back 30 times probably and and so he he got it done on limited attempts um and was by every measure like like you know orders of magnitude more efficient than Kenny

Picket who whose you know inefficiency is actually stunning at this point where there’s there’s the the the meme where every time a quarterback does anything it’s like oh he’s better than Kenny picket uh you know like Easton stick better than Kenny picket you know like it just it’s just instantly like Daniel

Jones like the Giants with Daniel Jones everybody’s better than better than Daniel Jones so I actually don’t think that there is an argument about picket over Rudolph I would go with Rudolph easily I wonder they probably can’t really do this I they should acquire Russ and cut Kenny picket and roll Mason

Rudolph as the number two that’s probably twoo I mean do you think Kenny pickets the week one starter like do they almost have to is the cost not quite sunk enough yet where they have to like we gotta give this one more go around like it’s not sunk cost territory it’s not cuttime

Territory let’s just see of the young man there has been a recent trend of quarterbacks having like a year three leap beginning with Josh Allen of course he’s no Josh Allen but or is it really is it just already totally done zo with Kenny pick um I think it’s done but I’m

Not I’m not totally discounting uh pick it as the week one starter because you know if he has like a good training camp and a decent preseason or whatever and he’ll get lots of run in the preseason I’m sure remember well he’s already had a good preseason last year he had quite

The preseason right but then he’ll he would get that job I would guess because they want him to succeed they have a lot invested in him like you said the sunk cost issue is is real it’s real with teams and they so I think I do think

They’re going to give him every chance to fail um and uh so he could get he could get one more um but there there’s really there’s really just ve very very little in pigot’s profile even when they switched remember briefly they switched to throwing to the middle of the field

After uh Matt Canada was fired the MF as you yeah and horridly love to call it they they attacked the moff mercilessly and uh and picket had one one good game against the Bengals and that was it and you know that after that it kind of fell apart so I don’t think

That there’s like a magic formula here that the Steelers can strike that would make that would make Kenny pet that would help uh make up for his deficiencies in a lot of areas including arm strength which he does not have that is like the huge problem with Kenny

Picket is that he’s n nothing that has happened was not easily foretold like it was all in his pre-draft profile were there were positives in his pre-draft profile like all these negatives were highly visible in his pre-draft profile I’m like I don’t know if things don’t go

Right he could be pretty terrible and that because you get into the efficiency stats the more ADV Advanced stats like EPA or of course he’s awful just all all the traditional stat he has 13 touchdowns and 25 career games 13 13 that’s unreal that really is that’s that’s 70 style football his touchdown

Rate was under 2% each of the past two year he has as many interceptions as touchdowns like it’s just I mean he’s going to be 26 by the way he’s going to be 26 years old already this is a like a five alarm fire it it’s about as bad as

A quarterback pick has gone in recent memory yeah I mean and they swung and missed uh I I hope that for there for the Steelers sake they don’t spend much more time pretending that this is going to happen for Picket third round pick for Russell Wilson or just wait till

He’s cut I guess and sign right right you probably have to give him a third round pick for Russ because the Falcons the Falcons and steel I hate to say both the Falcons and Steelers should trade for Russ actually maybe that’s an AB that might be a completely colossally

Awful idea actually I’m actually I’m I’m seeing uh more and more talk about C cousins to Atlanta and I’m becoming obsessed with the idea no man that’ll be a fiasco what yeah yeah yeah yeah you can’t start over with Kirk Kirk can’t start over and a team can’t start over

With Kirk I’ll say bum leg too oh man be that’d be Matt Ryan and Indian Indianapolis territory waiting to happen I think Achilles is nothing now it’s nothing ask ask Aon Rogers it’s fine my physical therapist who was obsessed with football says the Achilles is very much

Still not nothing and so that’s what I based all my takes on real quick I did I forgot to share this stat uh Kenny pick it uh on middle of the field throws and these are the throws that that create an efficient quarterback it’s why Tua is

Good right it’s why Brock why Tua appears good it’s why he’s good for for for Fantasy why sort of good for f it’s why he puts up good stats it’s why he’s efficient okay this is a Shanny thing mostly so middle of the field big big thing uh Kenny picket 60th in completion

Percentage overexp expected on middle of the field throws um behind such luminaries as Trevor Simeon and Taylor H last say did 60 quarterbacks even play last well this is a large sample this is mean even in a large sample 60 quarterbacks played oh wow yeah a lot of

A lot of quarterbacks uh did play last year but yeah I mean so what are we talking about we’re we’re talking about Trevor Simeon that’s who we’re talking about it’d be one thing if he was gonna turn 23 he’s turning 26 can he pick it yeah when does the development happened

He turn 26 in June are you kidding me I assume this was at least like December oh my god oh to be 26 again this guy turned 26 in June man yikes my kid turns eight in say in June it’s actually may we have every summer month covered except for June

We’ll do that with the next one Denny yeah oh wow too soon yeah no I mean hey you know it’s never too soon apparently please go we’ll move on ESPN Jeremy fer he’s been trying to give us a lot of content today yes he says some Personnel people

Inside the league The Raven believe the Ravens will Target a running back with a pedigree in free agency I my show note says just at Derrik Henry next time please just add him his engagements actually ever since they started calling X’s engagements down so just add Derrick

Henry right next time I I I genuinely it’s the most lyed idea ever I I’ve been beating this drum as you know for months the Ravens need a real running back like they they’re a run-based team I hate it they try do efficiency back it it they

Need they have to have a real running back Lamar Jackson this is like when he really needs the game has to be putting us shoulders they don’t have quite the passing attack to make like these big they can’t force big plays through the passing game basically and you can’t

Force a big play in the running game Beyond Lamar Jackson they need another way where they can like create I know people say Keon Mitchell on 40 yeah great when you got 40 super easy of pace touches uh yeah he averaged like nine yards per touch or whatever because he

Was getting put in the game at all the most advantageous running back touch situations they need someone else I feel they can create big plays in the running game and maybe maybe Derrick Henry’s washed maybe Josh Jacobs is washed but to me this idea makes a lot of sense for

The Ravens should be the rare team to spend on on an RB I uh respectfully disagree with my co-host look they gave up the Run they abandoned the run after like two attempts in the AFC Championship game because they didn’t have a real running back I mean it makes

Sense like look you know Baltimore is like a like a tough-nosed team okay they like to run they stress defense and running and all this stuff so and and and and they’re you know very welcoming to washed veterans so this this this would this would make a lot of sense

Okay they your last stop is always either Baltimore or Arizona you might as well make it Baltimore Tennessee or Tennessee and so maybe yeah maybe Derrick Henry learns to speak Baltimore and uh and and goes and goes to the Ravens for one year learns to speak old

B and yeah yeah right Dereck if you’re listening I will teach you how to eat a crap if you come up here um and uh he so I actually think for Fantasy be it’d be really cool I I I want to say that okay because you know analyzing the game from

A real standpoint from a fantasy standpoint get it all gets muddled up and then people throw it back at you and say well you said you didn’t like Derrick Henry to the to the Ravens and and he’s rb1 overall after week eight and I really believe that he would have

Tremendous upside with Lamar Jackson as his quarterback with defens is terrified of Lamar’s mobility and that would really open things up for him and he needs at this point in his career I think Derrick Henry needs that you know he needs that that advantage that you

Get from taking handoffs from a uh from a mobile quarterback ask Gus Edwards how that works okay G Edwards who is a guy who is just a guy this is where my I have to interrupt now this is where my argument comes in yeah because then like

The second the touches aren’t layups the whole thing just collapses like they just admit it collapsed because they don’t have real running backs and the second they’re not in an advantageous situation where like it’s a run-friendly spot where you have to be terrified of Lamar Jackson the running game totally

Collapses like totally collapses and they have to have someone who can actually gain yards by themselves Gus Edward is a joke like it’s a joke it’s a total joke joke I know it wasn’t the plan JK dobins got hurt again but Gus Edwards and Keaton Mitchell is a joke

For a run based team it’s a it’s a joke I like Keat Mitchell lot but I I don’t know he’s a CH what he’s a change of pace back he’s like oh you know it’s like second and three and you give them a handoff where they’re terrified that

You’re gonna pop a 20 yard pass on second down or whatever that’s where he shines or like an obvious screen situation he gains 32 yards like congratulations there’s like 70 running backs that can do oh no no no no Keaton Mitchell I’m not going to say he’s like generational but

I mean he led the league in explosive run rate because I I tell every time he got the ball was the most advantageous it was always when like the team had to be we it was when the Ravens were playing with a lead and like it was like

An obvious like step on their throats passing situation they hand it off and the game I would rather see the Ravens uh get some good receivers rather than what they have now which is can we about the by the way bill bich it’s all the receiver like St like maybe the

Ravens should consider drafting one good receiver like bich takes all the heat for the maybe the Ravens should make one good decision ever at Wide Receiver right I mean so the Odell thing let’s just call it what it is a complete disaster for for for Odell I mean it

Didn’t it didn’t work it was the worst case scenario really I mean I say the worst case scenario would be him getting hurting his knee again which he thankfully didn’t happen but you know he was not he was not good he was he’s banged up they limited his playing time

Throughout we kept waiting well this is the week this is the week they’re saving for the playoffs they’re saving him for the AFC Championship they’re saving him for something they got to be and no no he was a part he was a part-time player sometimes he was only running 30% of the

Routes in important game so that was that’s a disaster gotta write that off you have Z flowers who could be a good wide receiver too I know you think he should be in the UFL or whatever but psyche’s destroyed now he’s finally starting to actually play well and then he destroyed

A psyche oh yeah no I mean I I actually don’t know how you come back from what happened to Z flowers but uh so I mean yeah get get a good receiver instead of spending a lot of uh resources it’s another it’s another Ravens R the Ravens don’t spend money on

Anything they don’t ever resign anybody offensively they do sometimes they let so many I feel like Edge rushers leave who immediately go get 12 sacks somewhere else because then they just create another one like they’re so good I don’t even know what the Ravens spend money on so just spend you you’re like

The rare team that can splurge on a run yeah yeah yeah producer Adam said they they do you know bring in veteran defensive player it’s like a one or twoe deal yeah so I mean look Chase young is gonna be a raven this offseason and he’s

Gonna he’s gonna get 14 sacks next year exactly exactly that’s the way it goes with that team um I mean yeah for so for Hen Henry and Baltimore and by the way immediately Robert Griffin I third uh uh photoshopped a picture of of darck Henry

And a Ravens jersey so thank you RG3 for doing that promptly uh uh great think fantastic for Fantasy honestly um for real football I don’t know I think it’s fantastic for we saw this everyone knew to beat the Chiefs they had to run they’re a run based team I know and then

Their personnel is a joke so they couldn’t do it get a real running back I don’t know what you’re doing like stop you can’t so many teams can Moneyball running back the Ravens are one of the teams that cannot Moneyball running back it’s too important to what they do like

The Chiefs can never the Chiefs don’t need ever need to spend another American dollar on running the Bengals don’t really ever need to spend an American dollar onun but the bills I think the bills kind of do some teams have this luxury where they don’t have to invest

In running back I don’t think the Ravens are one of these teams that’s actually good I’m I hate to say I hate to hand it to you that’s a good point I was yelling enough so I just wore you down you did you’re very angry I don’t know why

This is how this is how my kids win it’s got very very angry seems like a good time to take a break we’ll be right back after this spring training is here so for those looking to get ahead on the upcoming MLB season grab your rotor World Baseball draft guide today it’s

Loaded with Comprehensive positional rankings projections and player profiles to ensure your draft is a success visit NBC sports.com draft guu and use promo code baseball 24 to get 10% off a checkout I have to put out a word to Adam that we can’t have the word success

In promos anymore because I can’t can’t say it truly I can’t I’m an adult who can’t say a word I mean we worked on this for 15 minutes before the show and you still still botched it I’m not a shamed I’m an adult and there’s a word I can’t say my kids’s

Rubbing my head it’s okay Daddy you’ll get the pronunciation I know it’s a little hard with those C’s in the middle thank you thank you for understanding I mean it’s a classic it’s a classic Roto pet overthink is and now I see it coming and then he sees beads of sweat success

Success success and Suk s they’re like oh my God we got to reread the promo yeah I didn’t bot it delete the podcast because you can’t say ex I didn’t bot it too bad that we have to do that you know who did botch it too bad didn’t he was the commanders when

They hired Cliff kingsberry was their offensive coordinator he has quote full control of their offense in 20124 according to the Washington Post we’ve probably already talked about this we’ve talked about a lot over the years what does this mean we don’t know who the commander quarterback is gonna

Be maybe it’ll be Caleb Williams probably more likely to be Drake May what does this mean giving Cliff kingsbery full reign of an offense in the year 2024 uh it means it’s probably not good is what I is what I would say you know um I I I wanted to mention this piece

I’ll actually post about it on the xplatform formerly known as Twitter later um Mark Mark Bullock who uh covers the team covers the Commanders and has his uh his own site where he he breaks down film and stats and everything for the commanders he had an interesting

Piece on Cliff kingsberry I pulled from it a little bit here uh I mean what what what you’re getting is um a ton of shotgun and Pistol stuff okay including running out of that which is our guy loves the pistol which is not not it’s not great I will say that looking at

Looking very strongly at the numbers and I’m I’m not seeing good things about running from the shotgun and uh so yeah so just just to give you an idea of how much usage we’re talking about of pistol and shotgun uh Kings Berry’s Cardinals in 2022 led the

League with 722 snaps out of shotgun or pistol formation the next closest team was the Chiefs uh with 658 okay so not not even close the Cardinals by the way and here’s the here’s the kicker okay I have a kicker here the kicker is the Cardinals were 27th in adjusted net yard

Yards per attempt out of the pistol and shotgun That season so man really like lots of stuff that doesn’t work um that’s the kingsberry calling card uh the the the the Gap scheme that kingsberry favors is very good for Brian Robinson who played with in that in

Alabama has had success I do like him I mentioned him a couple weeks ago on the show as a potential beneficiary but overall man I don’t know I don’t know what they’re doing here well cliff didn’t do a great job veloping Kyler Murray you could debate whose fault that

Really is it seems like it might be the player’s fault yeah been enough reports over the years that maybe he’s not doing the things he needs to do to develop into a franchise quarterback but I mean as the meme goes our guy Cliff had a losing record with Patrick Mahomes at

Texas Tech it’s it’s amazing I just don’t I don’t know why you really want this guy to be the one Washington who’s been in the wilderness for the entire 21st century like they’re finally coming out into the daylight like why is the plan for the most important asset

They’ve had since RG3 to be developed by Cliff kingsberry I I mean you don’t get it it’s not hard like the commanders always make it so hard on themselves just get someone who who knows Shanahan I would simply not hire a basketball guy to then hire his high school friend to

Then hire Dan Quinn to then hire cliff kingsberry and I get so much push back on the first off they’re not Eventing friends they barely attended High School to they only overlapped one year in high school they were they were barely in each other’s weddings no I actually don’t know that

But but yeah I mean that that’s uh it’s it’s it’s a weird thing Bri so Brian Johnson obviously you know fired by Nick serani who was willing to throw everybody into the bus so that he could keep his job October 12th when he will be fired um has already bought a home in

Philadelphia yeah two just in case uh and and so yeah so so serani threw Brian Johnson on of the bus Brian Johnson comes to Washington so the question was will Brian Johnson have like a power struggle with kingsberry to coach this offense because we have to

Remember Brian Johnson got a bad rap in Philadelphia he was running serani system per serani this is not these are not conspiracies this is not he said she said Ser said it was my system it failed I’m firing Brian Johnson because of it and and uh and so Brian Johnson is pro

Probably has a future with this organization I don’t really know what he’s going to be doing but apparently he’s not gonna have input on offense until maybe kingsberry I don’t know loses play calling duty something like that this season Nick serani has been forced to fire Brian Johnson for the third time

Sorry no one will get the joke but Denny and I but that’s all right so I just it’s Cliff his the track record is not do you think it means they’re getting Caleb because it was a very Caleb coded hiring do accepted a job with the Raiders all

But absolutely I mean yeah like like I I think the commanders will do whatever it takes to get Caleb Williams uh I don’t know what that means for Justin Fields Honestly though maybe there’s an understanding the Bears just want Drake May that badly and they even have to

Make a move maybe and you look we’re still a long way from the draft like things change you know and and I I I believe you know in 30 days we could be talking about well will the Bears take Drake May one over Caleb Williams that you know the discourse changes rapidly

This time of year it does we’re almost the discourse the two high safety discourse for tank Dell coming up again a really serious Orthopedic ankle leg injury I said he’s expecting to be ready for OTAs which began like six weeks that’s crazy tank was taking the league

By storm he’s taking Fantasy by storm until injury Nico Collins took full advantage with and without tank Dell on the field but tank almost seemed like he was becoming the wide receiver one for his injury yeah what do you expect to happen between tank who was looking so

Good and Nico Collins who at the end of the season just totally stuffed the stat shoot right I mean it’s it’s it’s hard to say that tank Dell is going to be I think better for Fantasy than than Nico Collins although tank Dell without tank Dell the Houston offense was not nearly

The threat I almost think it was could it be a classic tank is better for Fantasy but ni’s better in real life as like field stretcher here are some numbers just just to give some some context so yards per route run uh Nico Collins 3.1 which

Is outrageous very high uh tank Dell was was down to 2.2 um I think their a DOT kind of says it all average depth of Target so you have tank Dell at 14 and a half a Dot and uh Nico Collins around 11 um you know tank Dell was a big play

Downfield guy neither of them were playing from the slot all that much you know you had tank Dell playing about 27% of his uh snaps from the slot and and Nico playing almost exclusively outside um but uh I I I think that tank in that offense is good is good for niik

Collins down the line I mean like overall that niik Collins gets way less attention like his his double team rate spiked with tank Dell off the field um so I I I would say I favor Nico Collins but I could understand an argument in favor of Dell Assuming he’s he’s at full

Health they they got to bring tank closer to the line of scrimmage they they need they gotta get tank into the slot they gotta start using this guy I’m not an expert really on how Antonio Brown is used but it seemed like he was used all over the field and how much did

They use Antonio Brown in the slot and Pittsburgh near the I think not as much as you would maybe guess I know I I used to think it was like 80% but it was usually like half or less than half yeah so Antonio Brown maybe not a great comp

Because he seems small so it seemed like he should be getting slot snaps but instead he was just one of the greatest ever outside receivers right I mean both both tankel and niiko Collins were insanely efficient last year uh just looking at what I would call a

Boomer stat yards per reception uh niik Collins had about 16 yards per reception tank was at 15 and I think that that’s a product of of uh you know what’s his name CJ St uh being really good and up lifting up his teammates elevating his teammates unlike another rookie

Quarterback last year his last season in Pittsburgh a Ab was playing about 10 to 20 snaps in the slot tank needs some time in the slot is one of my opinions I’m sure he was getting some last year I don’t remember but 27% from the SL and

And you could see I I I that’d be cool if we get we could go more of that because a lot more yeah so PFF Bobby man I I just I don’t know about PFF Bobby I I’m a little I’m a little skeptical on

On on my my boy PFF Bobby but so tank Dell had a pretty volatile like receiving profile okay like lots of downfield stuff lots of like long catches on Long on deep balls you know very little Yak okay so like the talking about bankable fantasy production you

Don’t really have a ton of it with tank Dell and what I mean by that is like easy stuff underneath that kind of Smooths out the weeks where he doesn’t hit the long ball and and I think folks may remember when you started to play tank Dell in your lineup every week

There were there were some there were some tough weeks okay and and then there were some glorious weeks it’s just how it goes maybe that’s just who he’s gonna be maybe it is a lot of times who you are as a rookie is who you’re gonna be your entire care especially because

Coaches think that well it’s all you can do and then they never NFL they they adjust roles like less than any League I’ve ever seen like it’s actually crazy it’s pretty frustrating like an NFL coach if you hit seventh as a rookie in major the baseball’s number seven hitter

This is where I have no choice but to hit him seventh for 11 years led the league in on base percentage five years in R I should maybe hit him first or second I no seven number seven hitter I would like to contribute to this baseball discourse

But I have nothing yeah spring training is in full swing and Denny knows nothing absolutely about it the show is in full swing we’ll be right back after this Big 10 teams are looking to boost their resume for the big dance down the backstretch of the conference season and

On Tuesday evening four teams will make their case for the committee it starts when Iowa travels to East Lancing for a battle with Michigan State at 6:30 pm Eastern then stick around his upset-minded Maryland to fighting Denny Carters try to take down Wisconsin at 900m Eastern both games are streamed exclusively on

Peacock Denny will never watch one Maryland sporting event I was actually forced to watch uh Maryland the other day um at the beautiful Comcast Center um I I wasn’t there I should say uh I was at I was at a restaurant with my family and the Maryland Illinois C

Illinois game came on here’s how much I know about basketball I identified Marilyn as the wrong team on the court for the first five minutes of the game so Denny knows nothing about baseball he knows nothing about basketball yet he claims to be American sorry sorry if you’re well he’s

He knows everything about football and way too much about golf so he’s indeed very I’m grinding UFL rosters as we speak you I wish that were a bit you do I know you you you and my wife both wish that were bit I need to go see AJ McCarron though at the the

Dome at America Center in St Louis for the my beloved battle Hawks Denny you’re never not writing as you said earlier in the show you tackled one of the more divisive more of this like debate worthy topics the past years two high safeties how quarterbacks are what the actual

Effect of two high one high safeties is and what are some of the takeaway what was the thesis of your article what were some of the takeaways get into do a few more granular questions right so we’re we’re two seasons into uh the proliferation of two high safety coverages otherwise known as

Shell coverages to high Zone whatever you want to call it keeping two safeties way off the line of scrimmage to make sure that guys don’t beat you deep and this is primarily deployed against uh you know against Elite quarterbacks against Joe burrow Josh Allen Patrick Mahomes um but it has risen across the

League so I thought it was worth looking at seeing basically seeing who is being aggressive against these defensive looks and who is not and then sort of judging from that you know what does that mean for their pass catchers and what does that mean for fantasy for both the

Quarterbacks and their pass catchers I do think that there are are some things that you know we could draw on from from from from what what we found here what I found here uh um you you do have guys challenging these looks big time and one

Of those guys is Will Levis um who actually led the the league in deep ball rate against uh two high looks last season that’s another thing you’re in the middle of such a good speech here but that’s another thing that’s scanned like wow will Lis doesn’t care how high

The safeties are as I said in the article he ain’t reading all that okay like he’s he sees two high safeties and he’s throwing it and he’s saying DeAndre down there somewhere um yeah and and he also had the highest average depth of Target against two high safeties by a

Long shot so you know maybe maybe that’s good for trayon Burks if if he can you know get his head on right and be healthy and and you know he he led the he led the Titans as I said in the piece led the Titans in air yards per Target

Last year um so maybe maybe it’s good for him maybe it’s good for someone like Maris Brown who’s been rumored to maybe you know have interest in the Titans or or or vice versa uh so you know just something to file away as far as like

Will Evis is okay with throwing it deep against against these looks and it’s something I would love to see more of you know as as a as a football fan as a as a viewer because it’s fun it’s fun to see th those those shots and will Lis is

Giving it giving that to us um you also have Jordan love I was gonna say I was gonna let’s talk about Jordan love because I think we’re getting tired of the Station to Station passing and it’s the least visually appealing style of football violent running is visually appealing deep passing is visually

Appealing like the Tom Brady Drew Brees like take your medicine like 46 yard passes for finally attempting the 140 yard pass this is not that fun to watch yeah and will Evis was fun to watch he sometimes painfully bad to watch Jordan love was extremely fun to watch his

Entire first year year as starter so yeah what did you find about Jordan love against two high safeties yeah so uh Jordan love you know he wasn’t facing two high safeties at nearly the rate as as a burrow or a momes um which you know checks out because I don’t know if teams

Respected him in in the same way uh but he had the second highest a DOT against um against two highs and and uh through downfield so when I say downfield I mean at least 20 yards through the air uh on 16% of uh his dropbacks against two high

Safeties so you know I drew from that you know that Christian Watson might be interesting at some point if he’s able to draw targets which has been which has been a problem uh if he’s able to stay healthy Health he could be so good yes I

Agree I agree the soft tissue stuff is VE very concerning um every time he kind of gets on a roll he he he he gets that soft tissue thing and and he has to sit out for a month but but yeah so Christian Watson uh by Far and Away led

The team in in air yards per route air yards per Target all of it you know so it would it would be presumably good for him if love stays aggressive in 2024 I will say that maybe the heater that he was on at the end of the season into the

Playoffs will kind of scare defenses off a little bit and say okay we have to treat this guy like like an elite quarterback and we have to increase our usage of the two high look that’s one of the probably the primary adjustment coming for Jordan love in 2024 that he’s

Going to have to adjust to our our guy was living a a Charmed Life down the stret and it’s surprisingly hard to make mid-season adjustments even for good coaches for good teams there’s just only so much you can do on the Fly especially the division Rivals now like digging

Into the Jordan love film this offseason you’d have to assume they’re gonna throw a lot more of those looks at I’m looking at your article the the stats that you got from fantasy points I cannot believe Baker Baker Mayfield faced more to high safety looks than Patrick Mahomes is

That just because of their personnel I guess yeah uh yeah it’s uh insane really when you think about it but yeah Baker Mayfield faced two high safeties at the highest rate in the league and I don’t know why I’m asking about that there’s really nothing to take away from well I

Mean I think you know they were scared of of Mike Evans like they were they were just saying that we’re not letting you just toss it deep to Mike Evans um I would I would like to look you more granular granular I put that word in

Your head look uh in into into whether that that those two high looks increased over the course of the season Once Baker Mayfield showed that he could hit hit Mike Evans deep um but you know it is worth noting especially because it seems like Mike Evans has a good chance to

Return to Tampa Baker Mayfield is a virtual lock to you know to end up there again so um yeah worth noting and then and you know that I burrow and and Mahomes they have been then I when I when I call so this is another thing

That you know you the the mixing of real and fantasy football Mahomes has been forced into this Dink and dunk system uh role of game manager maybe forced to check down for the third time he has and he’s done it way more than three times um because a uh teams relentlessly play

Too high safeties against him and and B he doesn’t have anybody to beat those looks deep like he did with Tyreek Hill so he has adjusted and it has worked quite well seeing that he’s won let me count two Super Bowls in a row and will probably just win a third easily uh

Doing the same thing you know that every time you trade Tyreek Hill you immediately win two super BS the Dolphins should try that see if it works it work for Kansas City um yeah and uh uh so maybe they’ll get someone who can actually go down field and beat beat guys downfield maybe

Maris Brown I know this the second time I’ve mentioned him I don’t know why I keep mentioning him wow um but uh Rashid rice is not doing that let me let me tell you that okay maybe he could they just used him that way absolutely not in

College they used him that way too yeah he’s catching and he’s running uh so yeah so Mahomes that’s I think that’s that’s who he is I do think that limits his fantasy profile along they’re gonna the Chiefs are fighing and have improved Personnel we’re going to see The Return of to

Earth Mahomes it’s just a matter of time I know you don’t want to believe this but he’s coming back he takes what the defense gives him Den he yeah I I I get that you know I actually I sent I sent the piece to uh Ben baby from ESPN who

Covers the Bengals and I asked about like is there any chance that we’ll see the burrow from like you know 2020 2021 before the shell looks came into fashion and you know for all intents and purposes uh Ben baby said no he said uh quote Burrow’s superpowers as the staff

Likes to describe them are his decision-making and processing he’s not going to force the ball into a too high look taking the check down has also been a point of emphasis dating back to last season I can’t see that changing until defenses start to commit more bodies to

The box to stop the run that’s not going to happen no I just don’t think that’s gonna happen that’s you who was someone you talk about will Lis being surprisingly aggressive against the two High was the was the answer for who was surprisingly non-aggressive was the answer Mahomes and burrow I mean there

It’s shocking actually it’s like it’s like they’re they’re like shockingly not unaggressive uh we’re talking about you know burrow has the same a DOT against two high safeties as Bryce young okay uh it’s it was last year uh it was less than uh it was lower than Mac Jones and

Aiden oconnell against such looks so yeah it’s I mean Joe burrow went deep on six per of his dropbacks against two highs it’s just not happening and by the way this is fantastic for Jamar chase you know just just just really good for him to just gobble up short area targets

It’s really bad for T Higgins because he’s gonna return to Cincinnati and he’s going to be frustrating again so just just these are things just file away as as we get into the offseason I was seems like Tyler Boyd’s Inna walk in free agency I wonder what that means for the

The Bengals receiver course going be pretty fascinating they had already kind of phased out Tyler Boyd though where they can he might not have been being used any differently than like a replacement level slot receiver so I wonder if him departing will even have any effect anyways I I it could be you

Know this this propensity to check down could be great for a guy like Chase Brown if if Joe Mixon finally leaves ininna you know I know Joe Mixon this of the year is finally gonna get cut and he’s renegotiated his contract it’s I mean what is it three straight years

It’s going on half a decade at least it’s every single year Chase Brown is a really good pass catch really efficient pass catcher could be really fun for the the economy is just too good to cut Joe Mixon you know just too good right now he and he

He does come through he just finds a way finds a way to come through I man I I included some Jake Browning stats in there specifically for you P My Guy Browning’s looking good you love your Jake brownie but yeah so putting a bow on your like the people

Who weren’t going too high weren’t going deep against the two high very often most of not Sur jarro Goff never doing that because he would told he would be released I suppose and they also don’t have the Personnel well they kind of have the Personnel for that now but J J

Finally J MO is not gonna see a single deep ball next year bad bad Kenny pick it under 7% yikes so really really fascinating article though thanks and just like the You released it maybe too early in the you have to refresh this and put it out later when people are

Really prepping like this would be an essential piece of pre preparation heading I mean maybe you know as as free agency goes on people guys are signed as guys are drafted uh you know rosters rosters are not final yet I don’t know if you know this we’re gonna we’re going

To see some roster uh turnover in the next six months so free agency is horrifyingly soon by the way like horrifyingly do you have any idea when free agency begins yeah yeah it’s uh March 8th no thankfully it’s a little it’s 20 days from now is when the illegal tampering period begins March

11th and uh because it’s a leap year right yeah it’s a leap year and I’m not ready for this well it technically begins March 13th as producer Adam points out but functionally it begins March 11th when the legally legal tampering period still still a while away it we’ll never get there

Horrifyingly soon but I mean the fans love it as the writers were like oh man maybe it could be five weeks from now I we had a blurb today about uh Mike Evans to Carolina and I did not like that no that by the way that was maybe a bit of a

Stretch hey Dave Canalis Dave Canalis there it’s actually not a stretch at all um it’s very sad hopefully that doesn’t happen hopefully the show uh ends because it’s over so for Denny check out his article it’s really really good seriously check it out on rerw world.com

For Denny I’m Pat thank you so much for listening we’ll be back on Thursday with our friend Kyle V