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Welcome into unbreakable mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer I’m Jay Glazer really excited for my guest today because she is a very empowered woman who Rosie and I actually lean into for help with our relationship now that we’ve gotten going and Rosie really looks up to her and I’m going to get to
Her really quick here but before that if you’re like many people you may be surprised to learn that one in five adults in this country experienced mental illness last year yet far too many fa to reive the support they need car and Behavioral Health is doing something about it they understand that
Behavioral health is a key part of Whole Health delivering Compassionate Care that treats physical mental emotional and social needs in tandem Carolyn behavorial Health raising the quality of life through empathy and action I welcome into to Unbreakable a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer I am Jay
Glazer I’m really honored to have our next guest on we’ve had her husband on twice um the amazing John Gordon wrote The Energy Bus and um the reason why John is as successful as he is is because he has this gangster of a woman behind him and in front of him and each
Side of him holding him up and she’s now doing it for Rosie and I as well the one only Katherine Gordon she is a wife mother businesswoman movie producer and bestselling author of a book called relationship grit and the host of the Katherine for real podcast and the
Relationship grit is an amazing book and again Rosie’s 55 I’m 54 it’s the first time we’ve really found true love and no matter who you are in your life folks we need to find a coach but how do we find a relationship coach well good thing one
Of my best friends is married to one and that’s kathern Gord how are you hey Jay thanks for having me on you know I love you and Rosie and I especially love that you are willing and open to look at yourselves and find ways to help improve your
Relationship yeah we have to because it’s we we like we don’t know obviously we don’t we don’t know what we’re doing but also obviously I’ve been really bad at it in the past you know I was married for a very short period of time and didn’t go
Well and I’ve had I think three or four engagements I knew those weren’t right and like I’ve just always been kind of looking for love in the wrong places and I finally found somebody wow I really am like truly in love it I’ve never experienced this before and I don’t want
To mess it up so how do I not mess it up because obviously I’ve been bad about it in the past so that’s why I’ve always I look at anybody like a coach but to have somebody like you in our lives where she could look up to also has like Catherine
I can’t tell you how much you’ve helped us a thank you so much Jay and you know it is interesting um one of the biggest compliments I’ve ever received besides what you just said was I got an email from an 80y old woman and I didn’t know
She was 80 at the beginning of the email and she starts telling me that she read my book and was you know started saying our prayer and we could we’ll talk about that and was complimenting her husband and that her husband didn’t know what was happening with you with with her
Excuse me and she said her husband was turning 95 that like that summer and so I’m like oh my gosh here’s this 80y old woman 95y old man and they’re using things to help their relationship get better right so you can improve your relationship no matter where you are in it and that’s
What I love about the book and um the feedback that I get from it I I also love the fact that I could look at this go wow man there there 95-year old guy got some game he’s getting sobody 15 years younger than him I like it yeah I love
It that’s so funny you did the math on that right away that’s my brain goes through right all right so let’s you got you got it right behind you relationship grit let’s dive in tell tell me tell everybody what that is there it is so so so relationship grit is basically our
Story and I always have to tell people it’s not a story of oh my gosh look at us we’re so great we’ve made it this far and everything’s been perfect you’ll read in the book we go back and forth and it’s Katherine’s side and John’s
Side and it’s the ugly truth I mean it is the struggles of um depression addiction Infidelity I mean we really kind of kind of ran the G gamut in our relationship and the surprising thing is we made it through all that and we’re still together and our relationship is stronger than it’s ever been and we realized as we started talking to couples um that we had a
Framework and I thought you know John I think we really need to put this framework into a book and share it with everyone and that’s how the book came about and so the grit which is you know in the title of my book is actually an
Acronym and it’s g r t and the g is for God the r is for resolve the I is for invest and the T is for together and I can walk you through those if you want yeah I want you to walk me through it absolutely so because Rosie reads it and
You know me I’m like I oh and then I go to my you know my uh my the stuff that calms my brain which is you know like shoot them up bang them up you know ESP St and stuff like that but she gets into
On and I’m like man I got to read this with you I I really got to read this with you no and then but she’ll share some things but what she sharah Shar is amazing and if it helps us again we’re in her 50s it could definitely help the
Rest of the world so the floor is yours yeah well okay so I’m gonna encourage you to actually listen to it on audio then it’s I mean the whole book really will take you about two hours to read listening to it right yeah you can drive
But what’s fun all other books by the way her her and John Gordon by the way and you’ve heard me bring up The Energy Bus and me with my ADHD they’re all really small very ADHD books that are like how many pages is your book oh my
Gosh let me see my my book is a total of aund and 15 pages right but it’s small small little books so right if it a normal book size it’s like 50 pages folks so like dive in it’s easy and right I did an energy bus in you know two hours no
All of his books are like that and we wanted to do that with the with relationship grit too just because I wanted it to be a book that people are going to pick up and get through so yeah and so if you listen to the audio it’s
Actually me and John going back and forth oh wow so if you know us it’s even more fun because okay I do drop a couple F bombs in there and you know I’m not averse to that yep all right so let’s dive in you know
I I I’ll say this so being married to John Gordon um you know and he’s known as the positive guy now but he really wasn’t and he was very negative and suffered from depression and really hard to be around I mean we got married we had kids really really quickly he was
Not a good husband you know and so it got to the point but this when he was a businessman right not a a a a a motivational speaker an empowerer no no no no he um actually he owned a couple bars when I met them and then you know
Yeah and so we moved to Atlanta and opened up a chain of restaurants called Mo’s Southwest Grill we we didn’t start it we were the franchise and so you know but he was always like struggling to be something else does that make sense like he had all
These ideas and all these things going in and he was young and he had two young young children and you know it’s really hard to go after your dream when you have to pay the mortgage right right right and so but I did finally get to a
Point where I said I can’t do this anymore like you got to get out and I kicked him out and you know he he at first he he was blaming me saying I was the reason for him being miserable right but it was really about the fact that he wasn’t
Able to realize and do the things he wanted to do in his life because he was you know had to pay the bills and so he realized was wrong and came back and apologized and I said to him one of the things you need to do is I really need
You to go on medication like that’s you know one of the things you need to do to help yourself and for him and I don’t recommend this for everybody by the way I’m I’m big on if you need to take what you need to take to help yourself he
Said just give me six months I have a plan and he started walking every single day he started journaling every single day he changed Ed his health he started eating healthy it was like a whole thing that he did and he did become a better person he was able to deal with his
Depression better it didn’t go away but you know he was able to manage it and really started working on himself and so in that process and Jay he was he’s Jewish I mean by by birth and you know he’s Jewish and he started listen to
Listening to a bunch of tapes and um for him he discovered Jesus so he became a Christian and I’m not saying you have to become a Christian to be you know a great spouse clearly I’m not so yeah right no no no no no no no no and you
Know but I’m saying um but he found Faith the spiritual part of that right the God and that’s where the G comes in and I’m a huge God guy as you know yes yes you know right M and mine too and I love when you say that I was I’ve talked to
My best friend in the morning right I love that you say that and I I look and I I don’t push religion or anything on anybody else like it’s my choice to believe that God is my like a best friend type parent and like what do you
Want from your best friend parent your best friend you just really want him to listen I don’t go to my best friend all the time and go man can you get me this job can you make me Rich can you make sure this happens you you make sure that
Happens you make and then I don’t blame my best friend when it doesn’t happen and that’s what too many of us do with God so that’s not really Faith that’s a oneway street that’s asking and also like if I’m if I’m someone’s best friend all they’re doing is asking for stuff
For me me and getting pissed at me when it doesn’t happen and blaming me are they really my best friend like am I looking at them going you’re my best friend so no I I my relationship that I have with God is when I was on my journey of trying to
You know get up the ladder and and get a full-time job I was like God I got it but I’m gonna get rejected a ton on the journey I may all I’m asking is when I do just pick me up brush me off and let’s walk this walk together so I never
Feel alone it’s all I ask for of God not nothing else and that’s my choice folks that’s just my for that’s my faith and and then same way it’s great to wake up every morning to say hey I love you to someone and that’s what I do to God that’s beautiful
I um I always journaled and I need to get back to that my word for the Year by the way is Faith every year we pick a word and because I’ve lost that I used to wake up every morning where you would talk to God I would talk but I would
Also write to him and for me that was amazing so I’m GNA get back to that I love that okay so so and you know what I say to people when I actually talk on on my book is you know when I say God I know everybody has you know we’re all on
Different spiritual paths so you know it can be in higher power I mean if you think about 12-step programs they all you know say a higher power just something bigger than yourself right because we can’t do it alone right because and we can’t be God so yeah
Exactly and when we do that’s when we get in trouble yep right and so um in the book as I talk about and well in our life uh we went through a a period where um well John had I I had went out to girl to to lunch with some girlfriends
And I was not feeling connected to John um we weren’t in a bad spot but I just wasn’t feeling connected but I go out to lunch with some girlfriends and one of my girl girlfriends starts telling me that she’s having an affair on her husband and another one of my
Friends tells me her and her husband are getting divorced and this was like the husband and wife that when we would go play tennis and we were you know Crossing each other on the on the court they’d kiss and hold hands and John and I stand around they’re getting a divorce
Now so I was like oh my gosh so John gets home that afternoon from work and we’re we go for a walk on the beach and I’m kind of sharing with him like you know I’m just not feeling really connected and you know so and so and so
And so getting divorce and he literally stops dead in in in his tracks turns looks at me and says I have something to tell you and my heart dropped and he said back 14 years when we first got married I cheated on you and I I mean it was like the
Breath just was knocked out of me and you know he was telling me the very thing that I was afraid of right so now I want to divorce him and so that kind of we were we were on the outs for sure and so he was fighting so hard to get us back
Okay so he’s on a plane wait what what promp what prompted him to tell you 14 years later right there you know it when he became a Christian so this was his spiritual walk with God okay he just said he kept feeling like it was the one
Thing that was still between us that he needed to share and and he’ll tell you this it’s the truth I mean honestly even my father-in-law said to him Sean why you got to tell her that I mean honestly in a way I was kind of like really like and you know I asked
Him I go how would you even think that would be okay now but you know in his mind he said well it was so long ago like no right so so anyway um he’s on a plane and sitting next to some guy you know and starts pouring his heart out
He’s like my wife’s going to leave me you know like telling the story and the guy said you know what something very similar happened to me and my wife and I’m going to suggest that you come up with a prayer that you two can say together so under God when I say bring
God into your relationship it’s whatever it looks like for you but for us one of the things we did was John came up with a prayer and it is a prayer that we still say every single night do you want to hear what it is yes
Okay God we invite you into our marriage and family to love us to heal us to unite us to strengthen us so we can grow strong together and serve you together and raise children that glorify and honor you love that yep okay all right and um we say it every night if John’s
Traveling he will call me some nights when we don’t get to talk we will um I’ll say it just to myself or he’ll say it and so it’s it’s really interesting so in the beginning when he came up with his Prayer by the way he would say this
Prayer at night when he was still fighting for the marriage and um I did I had kicked him out on the couch I finally let him back back into the bedroom but I wasn’t really speaking to him and every night he would say this prayer and I would not say it with him
But after a while I started to kind of memorize the prayer right but I was definitely not going to give give him the satisfaction again of saying it out loud so one night and this was a couple months in he starts saying the prayer and I literally reached over and grabbed
His hand and started saying it with him I cry every time I think about this c yeah that was the night that I resolved to stay in the marriage and that’s where the r comes in for resolve you know so many times people think the grass is greener on the other side
No the grass is greener where you water it right and so you know you have to fight for your relationship and you’re both going to do things that are going to you know make you not want to be in the relationship and now when I say this and I I always
Have to make sure I say this physical abuse things like that that’s that’s a deal breaker I’m not saying stay in a relationship like that but I mean if you are having issues you know where it’s normal really to have different issues about money and sex and you know
Unfortunately infidelity but you know what if you really really love each other stick it out stay together because it’s so worth it and so that’s the r for resolve and so John I also like to say in the relationship that was him fighting and resolving to keep me in
Okay yeah the I stands for invest so Jay you’ll understand this I mean you are so busy you are all over the place and you know it’s it’s in segments right it’s like football season but it’s about during that time making sure that you are investing in your relationship and
It doesn’t have to be quantity doesn’t have to be a week it might be you’re sending a text to Rosie hey thinking about you I love you little things right so like a bank account right you just gotta keep putting it in you you know what I’ve
Realized also like part of my investment too is my communication with her it’s like at the end of football season like week 18 huge obviously week for me where we have we’re going to the pl but that’s also the time where I doing all the coaching firings and who’s who’s staying
Who’s not and all that stuff and I explained to Rosie I said hey I’m I’m probably not gonna be present even when I’m here with you but I’m I want you to know like I’m with you but I hope you could understand like I which in the past I probably just been
Me and it wouldn’t I never invest in that person’s feelings let’s say but now I say babe I I like I’m gonna be working I’m gonna be on a phone calls nonstop non-stop Non-Stop and I’m gonna be here with you but I’m probably not gonna be
Present so just understand like I like I love you like crazy I’m just saying it so you can understand me so you’re not like oh man this guy’s not present with me which I’ve never done with anybody and now she’s like oh no I saw you and
Like Super Bowl last year she’s like no I get it I understand and we’re good but I was like an investment with I like how could I again change some things that I’ve doing in this relationship which I didn’t do in the past in the past I was
Just hey I’m like hey I’m I’m doing my job I’m going after I’m getting Scoops I’m doing all this and boom boom and that’s what’s most important without ever considering the other one’s feelings of man this person if she doesn’t feel on being present or feels
Like she’s you know last on the totem pole or feels like she doesn’t matter I never took that person’s feelings into consideration now and now I know too yeah yeah you know what’s funny in my book under invest I talk about the four C’s what are the four C’s
You just said it communicate commit connect and care and that communication oh my gosh it’s so important but I know and I get it like I you know John was the same way when he was busy creating and doing he didn’t take the time right but it’s just to even just turning to
Rosie and saying hey yep because when I realized too like I know in my mind there’s no malice yeah that other person doesn’t know that other person’s like man this guy’s and I’ve had D friends of mine too going bro you’re [ __ ] not present with us and I’m like what are
You talking about like you’re you texting I’m like yeah but you guys know I’m texting but coaches and GM’s my job they’re like yeah but you’re not present with us like it’s still we know and so even though they know it’s my job what I’m doing it they’ve communicated that’s
Pissed them off so at least in this relationship with Rosie I’m I’ve taken it all into account and and I’ve definitely I don’t think there’s such a thing as overc communicating because we’re yeah we like I said like in the past I’ve just assumed everybody oh you just know what I do
You’re fine with it and now overc communicate because they don’t always know they’re not always fine with it well there’s a guy John Gordon and he has a quote and it is my favorite quote where there’s a void and communication negativity will fill it right yes think
About it it’s not like you’re not hearing from someone you’re not thinking oh I bet they’re thinking great thoughts about me why do we never fill it with positive we never do right it’s always negative so it’s always like oh this person doesn’t call me back I must have
Pissed them off someone’s mad I do it every day it’s every day that’s the my anxiety it’s an everyday thing and it’s like oh man this is this person oh my God and it’s it’s so bad and it’s 99.9% of the time folks it’s not real that story that you’re telling yourself
Is not true that is exactly right yep so communicate communicate communicate communicate love it all right so um it’s funny you said that under invest and then the T is for together and I know that sounds obvious like well yeah because it’s a couple and they’re
Together but I mean like you both have to want it and it doesn’t mean it has to be even sometimes one of you is going to be giving a lot more than the other when you’re in football season Rosie’s gonna have to be the one given a little bit
More it goes back and forth but I also like to say the te stands for team you have to remember that you’re on the same team so if you’re on the same team you don’t keep score right because if you do oh you both lose wow okay yeah so yeah I
Would I would think that’s a hard one for people like I think everybody does that in every relationship right so I’ve never I’ve never heard that before I that that’s a fantastic advice y yep you know another way I like to to to say it is just think of it almost like tug
Of-war right with tug ofar if you are on one side of the Rope Rosie’s on the other or you know who’s ever listening your partner’s on the other and you’re both pulling and you’re pulling against against each other your strength is cut in half but if you’re both on the same
Side pulling against you know the world pulling against your opponent whatever it is your strength isn’t cut in half your strength is doubled right so make sure you’re pulling for each other and and it’s the weirdest thing the more that I did this with John so when we were raising the kids and
John was traveling all the time um there was one particular uh moment when I was standing in my kitchen kids were running running late for school I’m in my night gown my hair’s disheveled uh John comes sauntering into the kitchen in this suit with his suitcase and he looks so
Handsome and I’m telling you Jay all I wanted to do was cut him down and I knew that the reason I wanted to cut him down was because I wasn’t feeling good about myself and something clicked in me and I said give him a compliment and I turned
Around and I looked at him and I said John Gordon you better watch yourself you look so handsome the ladies are gonna be checking you out today and Jay he got this smile this little kid smile on his face that was so big and that energy like something about it just made
Me realize like oh my goodness I need to do this more often and so I always say it’s like a muscle the more you start to give the compliments the more you’re lifting each other up the more you you know let each other know you’re on the same team the easier it
Gets wow right I love that yeah it takes you know so at my gym unbreakable I used to have this basic for all the coaches a 10-point system like man when everybody comes in the door we scream their name like Norm from cheers because all our people are successful and half the time
Time they’re like do I want to get in the gym do I want to give up an hour do I got it and they’re on the phone on the phone on the phone so the moment they get in there the first thing we do is screaming at Katherine right everybody because
They’re like oh wow because I’m trying to we build community over there but the last thing we do I tell everybody when our clients leave make sure you compliment them because no matter what we want somebody leaving these doors feeling better about themselves and a
Lot of time you know we beat up on ourselves oh today today’s workout wasn’t as good or today wasn’t as good as yesterday whatever it was no every day that you’re in there it’s it’s a plus we’ve invested as you’re saying yeah right and were you know that
Compliment it goes so far in how a lot of our clients would spend the rest of their day like if you walk out of that gym go oh man today was crappy because I I I I was worse today sparring than I was yesterday today’s bad day or he man
Great job today what do you mean great job man you fought through you weren’t you weren’t feeling great you weren’t this and you fought through it so think about that like you you show showed so much resiliency today great job great job can’t wait to see you tomorrow and
Just changes everybody’s mindset makes you feel great about this community so exactly what you’re saying too and and you’re right it’s like this keeping score I’ve seen a lot of couples right and they they get pissy with each other and they’re not willing to do that and
I’ve even said something like wa why don’t you why don’t you give him or her you know why don’t you tell him give him an attab boy or whatever like ah they don’t deserve it or something like that but yeah you’re on the same team and you do this every compliment builds that
That other person up and it’s um it can’t it can’t be an ego thing it’s got to be like hey I’m just I’m giving out free compliments and they don’t have to come back to me you know that’s it and I and I always say this too is be that
Person like don’t wait for someone else to do it sometimes you have to be the bigger person right and just say it you’d be surprised so I love that you do that yeah um you do this at the the gym you’re saying yes yes every CLI they
Gotta leave I want you guys come compliment him I don’t know how much my staff doesn’t but we’re supposed to I love it I love it so all right yep go ahead well no I’m GNA say that’s the grit framework the grit and um this is something you can
Use this framework not just in relationships I mean you can really use it with your co-workers with your friends right I mean it’s it encompasses everything right spirituality right a resolve to you know not walk away when things go bad invest in your relationship and don’t keep score do it
Together tell tell me some of the um and we just you know got a little bit time left here tell me some of the um like the feedback you’ve gotten right you told me about the one couple but other like just you know one or two other Amazing Stories like man someone’s
Marriage or business whatever was going one way and and use these and it’s now resounding success some testimonies there there’s a lot of them thank goodness um here’s the really interesting thing there was one couple okay and the other thing that kind of blows my mind is some of these people
Have actually stayed together for 20 or 25 years but been miserable you know that’s I don’t know if I could do it that long but so I I it’s been the littlest things I find has moved the the needle the most so one couple um that were on the verge of
Divorce and it goes back to something you said in that they didn’t communicate she started telling me some of the things that were happening he was telling me some of the things that were happening that he didn’t like and I’m like oh are you sharing that are you
Guys talking about how to work that out very basic things they weren’t doing so they start communicating oh as a matter of fact I have a free Journal oh my gosh on my website I have a free action plan that really should should be like a
Whole marriage course to be honest but I also have just a free journal and it’s something like at night it’s three prompts that you guys could just right before you go to bed look at each other and ask these three questions and answer them so it’s a little things like that
Communicating here’s another one on communication ask your partner on a scale of one to 10 how well do I communicate and what would make it a 10 oh wow do you ask scale one to 10 how am I as a partner or is that sure I mean
It’s kind yeah I mean that encompasses a lot right and then you can go into that what would make me a better partner okay I like that yeah I like that I like that I love that I love that absolutely love that um the you know it’s interesting
You Rosie and I had a thing you’d be proud of me well something then I’m not um last night I I had a crazy crazy crazy work weekend work bit and she was dealing with her own stuff at work but with her because she has an identical twin a lot
Of time she’ll lean in to Renee and call her and she’ll go well I don’t want to bother you with things so I don’t know what’s really going on and then so I’m I know I I popped off about something and then she started crying and I’m
Like where the [ __ ] is this coming from she’s like I told you I had a bad day I’m like no you you said you didn’t like where you were but you didn’t you lean into Renee not me so how am I supposed to know and Rosie do cry she’s was the happiest
Girl in the world and it just came and I was in my own a entitled space so I’m going to kind of unload here because I’m just so stressed in that and just she just started crying but one of the things we did come up with I’m like hey
Babe it’s you’ve gotta let me not your sister me I’m gonna be your husband you got let me know what’s really going on so I could be there fut she goes well I don’t want to bring you down I said no but you have to understand the more I
Could be there for you the happier that more that lifts me up I’m able to be of service to you like I always talk about being of service to help us with our mental health issues that doesn’t always mean charity it means I could be of
Service to you that lifts me up to be there for you and Katherine I had a convention for like 10 like 10 minutes like like Rosie let me be of service to you lean into me and you make me feel better no matter how crazy my workday is
This is what makes me feel great and and you know you’re you’re my you my everything so we kind of we talk that out um but it’s like came out of kind of kind of nowhere of of um like I said like the communication part you’re
Talking about like I think cther and I are both saying like lean in your partner tell them like they deserve it they deserve to be told and like again like you’re saying hey how am I on a scale of 1 to 10 if I’m a five I I may
Think I’m a 10 I don’t know right I may think we all think we’re doing great hey I’m great I’m oh I’m doing this and this and she the only thing that matters what she thinks she thinks I’m a five I better know it but I deserve to
Know I love that you know the other thing that I always talk about and John talks about it a lot too um in his book The One truth is you heal in relationship right we can do all the work in the world and and it’s all good it’s great
But once you’re in Rel relationship all your stuff really does kind of come out so then how are you going to deal with it and it’s about healing in that relationship and so like you’re saying learning teaching you’re teaching each other how to communicate with you with each other right you’re teaching each
Other how to support each other and so it takes that and so you know even like this older I’m not going to say old but older couple you know they’ve been married matter of fact they were married 46 years right all of a sudden she’s decided she’s going to start
Complimenting him every day right so it’s never too late to to change and to do you know something to help your relationship and if you’re in it you might as well make the best of it right like you’re in it together so let’s let’s let’s shoot for the stars here and
Hey I think this is really funny um during covid oh my gosh we wrote this book right before covid and when it came out during cover I mean it was needed more than ever and so you know we were on I think was Good Morning America or
No Today Show and one of the tips and in the back of of the book um we both John and I both give our our 11 tips I have mine and he has his and one of mine is to flirt in the kitchen or just flirt
Like flirt with your spouse so when John travels all the time um I will just send him a text can’t wait to see you hey handsome sometimes it might be a little bit more race you’re right I’m like this go ahead yeah I know I’m just I just you
Know it’s the it’s these little things so so during covid right nobody was traveling so I said flirt in the kitchen that was one of my tips oh my gosh that went viral like the simplest thing you don’t think about looking over at your partner and just flirting with them you
Know because we all really want to feel wanted no matter what I don’t care I don’t care who you are I don’t care how famous I don’t care we all want to feel wanted and desired but you Al you you said here and this I’m gonna then get in my last question
Here like you’re like oh my gosh went follow people don’t know because we don’t know where to turn like if I didn’t meet you and John I wouldn’t know where to find a relationship coach like I look for coaches I look for people I can learn from and there’s just not
That’s so I love what you’re doing I love that you’re on here because where do we know especially me and the center of dudeism over here we’re a bunch of Meads I don’t know where to go and so it’s it’s great to have somebody like
You that we can learn from and all the men out there listen to this so you could be better to your your wives or fiance or girlfriend because they deserve it and we deserve it but all the women out there take note you have someone here you could look up to a very
Empowered woman uh what you said your website tell everybody your website oh Katherine for real.com okay all right perfect I’m just gonna tell you this real quick I’m gonna end with this I’m telling you if you flirt with your partner you’re gonna have more sex I mean I’m writing a whole
Book on it and I don’t mean that inappropri it’s the truth right it just I mean it’s it’s known to like stimulate different oxytocin and all that so you know get back to that get back to flirting Valentine’s Day is coming up but yes you can reach me Katherine for
Real.com and on Instagram at Katherine Gordon love it all right last question I ask all my guesses give me the one thing in your life that should have or could have broken you and didn’t and as a result you came through the other side of that tunnel
Unbreakable okay I can think of a couple things but I’m G to give you this one so I moved out of my house at 16 years old I had alcoholic parents my Dad tried to strangle me long story I moved in with my drug dealing boyfriend and um he always told me
You’re never going to amount anything you can’t do anything and it was through that that one day on this like crazy binge that we did where I said that’s it I’m getting out of this I’m getting out of it and he would beat me he would just
Really was very violent holy [ __ ] and I got out of that relationship when everybody thought first of all they didn’t think I was even going to live um and I said you know what I’m changing my whole life nobody in my family had ever gone to college and I literally went in
I got aan and I went to college and I turned it all around I left that town I never went back so I think it had to be yeah going from you know being with that makes you unbreakable absolutely but it’s that TR a lot of people oh my God I
Love this because so many people think they’re trapped you’re not you’re not right you can get out I thought you also said trash for a minute and I’m gonna tell you that I did but no I want to say something you know that those thoughts
Came into my head that I that I that I was trash right right and I I just just I had to break out of that so yeah you’re right you can change it you can change your destiny you can break those chains and you can make that you could
At least try immediately like start putting things down what can I do to change my trajectory or what I’m not happy with whether it’s something as vicious as what you went through or love or business or anything like that Katherine I am so proud to have you on
I’m so proud to call you a friend and a mentor and so glad you’re there for definitely for Rosie also so we can she and I could um walk this walk together forever so thank you so much well I love you guys I can’t wait to celebrate you
Thank you and all the fun stuff you guys are doing ahead we are planning on Al loping in the Amalfi Coast like July and that’s it we’re just the two of us because and neither of us really do stuff for ourselves so we’re do this for
Us I think that’s fantastic I love you I appreciate you thank you so much for everything and for you know being a part of this journey on everywhere with me Katherine Gordon folks love you go to her website now love you Katherine love you
