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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:34 Setting the Table
6:27 Hole 1
8:09 Hole 2
9:42 Hole 3
11:13 Hole 4
12:49 Hole 5
14:43 Hole 6
17:18 Wrap Up

What is up YouTube fam robc here welcome in today we are talking about disc replacement with we’ve secured the pig is going to stay in the bag based on the video you saw last Thursday but today we’re tackling distance drivers because destroyers and wraiths might be in

Trouble but before we dive in of course we got to ask how you doing today Dave are you having a good One all right so looking at the drivers that I have in my bag one of my favorite molds of all time has to be The Wraith I think The Wraith is the slower arm Destroyer has a lot of similarities to it but The Wraith also comes in an

Insane amount of plastics so you have a lot of variance to it in terms of distance drivers in my bag I actually have six in my bag right now the setup is pretty simple I’ve got three race and I’ve got three destroyers that all do really vastly different things I guess

That’s not entirely true some of the do have a little bit of crossover I have this team Inova stamp wraith which is easily the flippi driver I have in my bag if I put too much juice on this then it’s going to turn over pretty easily

I’ve got a Halo race that came from the first ever run of Halo race this thing is so silly overstable don’t really throw it on backhands that often I usually it’s just a forehand her that I make sure is going to go right overstable I have just a star wrath from

My first ever run with foundation with the owl stamp on it this is sort of like easy for distance if I put any sort of firm power on this as a forehand is it’s going to stand up have a little bit of turn and then it’s going to fade back

Backhand I can throw it it’s going to stand up and it’s very similar flight on both forehand and backhand easy sort of like stand up but it’s not going to flip over by any means then we have this destroyer from Josh at overthrow this is a pre-light number Destroyer so really

Old and you can tell based on the fact that someone uses as a coloring disc to test a Sharpie really really beat in so easy stand up I would say this one’s actually flipp than that wraith that I just showed sort of like max distance controlled shot probably that red wraith

My max distance shot but max distance controlled is this Destroyer renegon Destroyer is my like reliable I got to put some stank into it on a forehand I’m going to see some fade there or if I’m going to throw a backhand and I got to make sure that it’s going to fade but

Not like dump fade renegon comes out there and last but not least Cav Halo Destroyer this is like crazy overstable flexes I mean this thing I have used a lot it’s gotten some beat inness to it but it’s still crazy overstable so while I like all six of these discs I’m going

To be honest from a Creator standpoint conversation that I’ve been having with a couple other creators and things like that is that as we are trying to build Creator economy inside of the sport manufacturers really have everything to gain from the Creator standpoint because if a Creator goes all in and they’re

Just constantly bagging and throwing the disc all the time obviously when manufacturers sponsor players on the pro tour and things like that there is an equal benefit there because the Pro Tour player is getting some form of compensation which is going to allow them to then throw the disc and if they

Succeed that’s great because you know like Calvin winning a whole lot last year people wanted to buy his eagles they wanted to buy destroyers things like that so there’s a benefit there but from a manufacturer to Creator standpoint most manufacturers aren’t putting any value in the creators and

What I find very interesting is is that I while the deep deep part of the sport is following the pro tour I think people underestimate how many casual disc golf players there are who are out there just slinging some discs trying to figure out what’s going on so when they don’t value

The Creator side of things they’re like well you’re not playing on the pro tour or you’re not a thousand rated or you’re not whatever it may be whatever reason they want to give to why they aren’t willing to invest in creators and this isn’t true for all manufacturers it’s

Just true for some when a Creator gets out there and they’re super invested and they’re just pushing a product over and over again it can make it really hard for future creators to have an opportunity to shine or even get a contract that’s remotely close to their

Worth so obviously here on the Robbie c channel we’re pretty invested in the pick and we’re also kind of invested in the Polecat as well I love both of those discs I throw them on a regular basis and I don’t see the pig going anywhere

Anytime soon nor do I see the PCAT going anywhere anytime soon so I stopped bagging the fire bird for that exact reason of I’m already talking about inovo with these two discs so why don’t I try to spread the love and test out other companies but the top half of my

Back is still heavily Innova and since we took a year off to work on our distance I think that we’re going to end up talking about distance drivers a good bit this year so today we’re going to be testing out a new driver from a different company that I

Don’t have a lot of in my bag to try to see can they hold up can they fill those slots so for an alternative we’re rocking four Raiders and two Defenders I think the Defenders are going to be a lot more like my overstable destroyers and the Raiders should be very

Wraithlike except for the overstable ones which will flip more into like destroyers now I can already see the comments of like this seems like an unnecessary move this feels like why don’t you just throw what you want to throw and while I hear that I’m just going to be like 100% transparent 100%

Honest because of the fact that this channel exists there are two main motivators here the first is that this channel exists because of that my bag isn’t really just for me my bag is for you guys to enjoy as well and me throwing this bag has implications

Although they may be small I’m not trying to like make my head all big and be like well is going to sell thousands upon millions of dollars because of this little weird Mr YouTube man I really don’t think that’s the case at all I do think that there are few people in the

World pushing the pig as hard as I am here on the channel but I don’t think that like millions of dollars are being made off of me but the second is truly that I not only care about beginners in the sport who are casual players care about beginners in the sport trying to

Grow in the disc golf content creation space because if people want to make this their full-time job there are only so many slots on the pro tour there are only so many tour cars that exist and hopefully as the tour continues to grow and expand we honestly will have a lot

Less no names showing up on the tour and we’ll have tour card players playing on the tour which will only make that even harder for people to get on the tour which means that if more people want to grow their brand if more people want to

Grow and have a role in disc golf more disc golf content creators are going to be needed we’re going to play six holes for six discs we’ve got six head-to-head matchups so let’s see how it goes I’m going to go ahead and predict that I think that the race and destroyers will

Still be pretty good just because of the fact that I have thrown RAC and destroyers for so long that there’s going to be like a a bias to them just on sheer like subconscious confidence of the hand feel so in this hole we’re going to start off with the battle of

The purples we’ve got Charing G Destroy versus Luc chameleon Raider it’s about 350 ft all the way around the corner there so we’re going to see what these do hanging them out first four hands of the day we’re going to go Destroyer first cuz first forand but we’re at

Least a little more confident with it I’m going to try not to let this thing slip out of my hand like that man you got to love throwing forehand when you can’t feel your fingers be easy to give this one the head to- head right off the bat needs to get

Down yeah that actually didn’t feel bad at all and I will say that the lucier chameleon this is a factor locid chameleon as opposed to the star I didn’t feel a slick on that one situation like this we can see that we’re here we went out of bounds right about

Here especially yeah no that in bounds cool cool cool I like especially if I throw it out of bounds we’re not talking about putter replacement until Thursday but we’re definitely switching Putters Trilogy verse Inova looks like Trilogy getting it an advantage here if we s syn this it’s a two-stroke

Swing only a one stroke swing but still a one stroke swing so for this one we’re going to go pre-flight number Destroyer versus this Raider this is I think it’s Lucid moonshine you guys can tell me but I’ve never tested to see if they actually glow or not Trilogy has the box

So we’re going to go ahead and not be biased here and give Trilogy the time to shine we’re going to that basket Straight Ahead here we go yeah you can see little bit of flip up gets down there rides really straight there’s something that gets in my head really fast guys crappy te

Situations there we go we gave that one much more of a chance to shine and it’s down there looks like we’re going to be all tied up still not a bad result you’ve got got the Raider was right here oh Raider was right there it’s going to

Be off camera but back here that’s interesting that’s interesting because we put a move on this and I feel like we threw it w we threw it well even throwing the Raider poorly in first technically the Raider not only went farther but it was also like

It went farther cuz it went this way but even being like flaring out it’s still it’s closer to the pin than the Destroyer was so that’s two points for Trilogy this is where I would put these two side by side because these are both discs that I’m like looking to we’ve got

A wraith the ravy SE owl wraith that I don’t want this to fade hard I want a nice little easy flip up out of it and then a crash and I think that this Fusion Raider is going to be the exact same coming in at 330 ft so this be a

Nice easy nice Easy Shot here oh that’s got to get down and it does it does crash in it’s inbounds poorly thrown so there’s definitely room for the race to uh grab a point for enova here yeah woo I forehanded that rra a lot that Raider just came back in out of a

Box so it’s going to be end of on this one I mean you can’t draw the story line any better than this let’s walk them off and let’s see one two 3 4 five 6 78 eight and a foot one 2 three four five six six in a foot so about about 25

Compared to 18 19 ft so in of a back on the board we like to see it no one likes a runaway race right we like we like a little drama we like a little action so time to test some over stability all right two super beautiful discs here I’m

Going to be honest the last time that I was here was day I want to say it was three of vlogmas where we did the roller only round and in my mind when I set up like this number of holes this Challenge and everything the basket was down actually over by those green

Uh the like push I don’t know what they’re called I didn’t play football growing up so you guys have tell me what the sled is that what it is I’d imagine offensive linemen are like setting up into that I thought it was over there but in hindsight it’s because I threw

Such a horrific roller that I ended up over there anyways so we’re still going to throw in that direction yeah there’s just not a basket but is 324 ft we’ve got Calvin Halo Destroyer here super beef even though it’s 320 ft and part of his downhill we got to put a mo we

Really got to give this thing the beans yeah still like 30 ft short I think the defender at its core 12 13503 was supposed to be like super overstable option but we’ll see if it like like actually holds in these Lucid ice orbit Defenders were gorgeous so easy

Grab okay we didn’t hit that one well either and it’s short I mean we threw that one so horribly so horribly all right so this is the one that if there was a like manager expectations Crawford step in be careful where you can like get into a I’m going to throw so far

Moment this is the one 440 ft it’s downhill for the last or there’s like a little slope and then it flattens out but 440 ft we have my super flippy wraith and we have my flipper Raider I also go aad and let you know that I’ve got someone working on two Raiders that

Will replace the shingon and renegon die if we end up with the Raiders here wraith going first team stamp game on and that’s the hard part about that is it’s just so flippy like that disc is I like it but it’s so hard to use distance-wise because it’s so

Flippy and that one also flippy now what’s interesting here’s what we’re going to do I’m going to run it back I’m going to go grab those two I’m bring them back CU basically we got the exact same same result and if we’re judging based on like sheer distance the

Raider went farther so it may have half a point right now but we’re going to rethrow all right we’re back here we go round two for all the marbles yeah I mean went far but she rolled over I mean I don’t think I need to say anything one of them flipped up and

Burned and then came back and the other flipped up and just burnt two options left time for the Vikings versus the defender tough place for Inova to be right now because Ina at best can tie this thing and if it ties it we’re still at the same impass

That we opened the video with the same same problem so Ina really needs to make sure that they outshine by a mile here it’s only like a 200t hole but these are both discs that I use for overstable flexes so we’re going to try to hit this gap on the

Right side and forks our way out and see if we can throw it with enough Annie that it flexes and gets left of the basket that’s the goal we want to throw right of the basket on anheiser see if it can get out and then still have time

To fight out I don’t know it’s going to be a tough shot CU Trilogy just now the box so best case scenario for Trilogy or for Innova right now is that I hit like literally first available with this Defender Dame on okay so it didn’t get left of the hole

Which means that I can put it on a lot more anheiser because I mean I put it on some anheiser and it just fought out immediately that’s a tough call chat that’s a tough call because the rra did much more what I wanted it to but maybe it’s I know the limits that

I can push that wraith on the defender I literally found in a use section last week so that wraith did hit my line but it also went soaring past the basket so I can get I can get long distance out of it that’s nice but it also hit a fence

It could have been way farther than this and this was 1 2 3 4 5 13 14 15 16 17 about 18 18 * 3 is 24 54 okay this hit a fence remember and it is 1 2 3 13 14 15 16 okay ends up 48

Ft away versus The Defender but The Wraith hit a fence so I think guys it’s going to come down to for the least foreseeable future inov A drivers destroyers race she gone we’re Defender and Raider people now really watching some of the this fly I feel like the Raider does get

A little more movement for me than a destroyer does so that’s going to wrap it up for today’s video hope you guys enjoyed this hope you enjoyed the trial basis sort of seeing the thoughts as we process of what we want to have in the

Bag versus what we don’t want to have in the bag I’m excited for the Raiders truly it gives me like hope for a new mold wanky its way in gives me an excitement to head to the field and test out a bunch of Raiders to see which ones

Actually make the bag so don’t worry when we get to the end of this month I’ll have done these trials a good bit more so you can hopefully see okay these are the ones that made it because I will say we are trying to play Maple Hill at

The end of this month and when we play Maple Hill we got some Revenge to get on whole one so hopefully the tea pad’s clear hopefully there’s less snow and we’re getting over this year guys I believe as always thank you for watching hope you have a great rest of your day

Please make it fantastic for someone else too but for now we’re GNA leave you with the Birdie

49 Comments

  1. the fact that Bodanza keeps selling out his initial stamps from Infinite should be a big blinking sign about the value of creators to disc golf manufacturers

  2. Glad to see you trying newer molds to compare. Very Cool to see them in different stages of ware also. Not fresh from shelf

  3. Great video! Out of curiosity when looking at trilogy plastic, what drew you to the raiders/defenders as opposed to stuff from Westside, Lat64, or even discmania or kasta?

  4. I once didn’t bag a wraith for a couple weeks….never again. To me it’s the perfect driver that can’t be replaced.

  5. You creators should form a co-op, start your own tour for casual golfers, no need for the PDGA or any manufacturer honestly, you could even contract press your own specific discs for the tour. You could also take a page out of Jimmy DiResta's book, wipe the stamps on whatever you bag, put your own logos on them. 😎🥏

  6. I wish you would have tested the Enforcer & the Raider. The Defender and Raider are very very similar. I was a longtime Innova thrower and started throwing all DD a couple years ago, and I realized the Raider is a bomber like the Wraith. The Enforcer is more like your overstable Calvin Destroyer. There is a reason all the DD pros throw Enforcers. Defenders get flippy. Enforcer is the one!

  7. I agree with why your doing this. It is more fun to watch someone who may throw the same as I do. I love westside discs but unfortunately no one really throws them anymore. The sword in multiple plastics is basically my wraith type discs

  8. Honestly if you want a disc that has a flight like your flippy wraith right out of the box and maintains that flight a long time (wear/beat-in time) check out the MVP Wave.

  9. I’m not a content creator and just started playing but I don’t give af about the manufacture as long as it flies well and feels great in my hand. I carry Innova, TSA, MVP, west side etc. just started playing with Kastaplast and IDGAF I LOVE THE BERG!!! I also love the Svea and Kaxe. I have a few others from kastaplast but just got the Rask 😂

  10. You did mention max distance and max control distance, but what would those be, for you, as a number. How much does it actually affect the accuracy and distance payoff. Been kinda curious about it. Because while distance is always better, the ability to keep it in a tight group with consistency is often better than flashy long shot. Doesn't mean that reaching for further distance stops at X, but more so: When to push pure distance to when take that controlled shot, from tee or on a longer coarses?

  11. What do you think about the Rive? It's a great option for the Destroyer slot. I think they are more consistently OS than Destroyers, so you'll have to cycle one into that turning bomber slot.

  12. My initial thought was that there was no way you were going to replace the Wraiths and Destroyers in your bag. Wow. I am impressed that you are taking the leap…(although I am sure there are many viewers asking why not the Grace and Ballista/Rive(?)) If I can add my 2 coins, Frost/Fluid/Elasto plastic from Trilogy is fantastic in cold weather. I cannot believe how well I can grip it in -10C weather. Looking forward to this year’s content.

  13. Love the Vikings stamped Wraith. If you ever wanted to get rid of it hit me up. Go Vikes!! I guess next year since they are out of the playoffs this year.

  14. I appreciate you talking about the creator side of sponsorship. There's a lot of influence from creators. 🤘 Great content as always brother

  15. Everyone always wanting free easy money. Just because you content creators have a small following, doesnt mean you deserve to be sponsored. You're lucky to even be on youtube

  16. I've never thrown anything as well or far as the Shryke. Also, the Stag from Westside. Those are my go-to discs for distance. I don't get money from any brand, so I buy most major brand's discs

  17. I clicked on this because it said you were trashing wraiths. I want one. 🙂 Turned out educationamal and a good watch. Thank you.

  18. I was all in on the PIG for a long time. Mixed in an A2 for a year and the A2 won my heart. The A2 is def my favorite disc now. Love the videos Mr. C !!!!

  19. I’m a big mixed bagger. TSA, mvp/axiom/streamline, trident, dm, Innova. I could never replace the wraith but I get why you’re doing what you’re doing. Props to you.

  20. DD’s plastic isn’t durable enough to be spiked into the ground. I would suggest something in c line or 750 for all your little temper tantrums.

  21. I mean, everyone, including foundation, is trying to sell discs. While there is value in trying different discs, ultimately if you work at it you can make most discs workout eventually. It’s human nature to get into a constant search for that one piece that will put you over the edge. As a guitarist it reminds me of people tone chasing to get an exact result someone else had. Accept and be happy with YOUR result. I enjoy throwing discs more than buying them. If I didn’t lose so many I would rarely get new discs. And I’m not an old head. I’ve been playing for 7 months

  22. Hey Robbie! If you decide you don’t want your really really flippy wraiths anymore, I’d love to take them off your hands. I prefer wraiths to be flippier and beat in so they’d be perfect for me! Lemme know if you’re interested in moving off of any of them!

  23. Hey Robbie.

    I would love to get my hands on your Vikings Wraith! I do have a Star Destroyer with a beautiful Vikings- Dye and these two would love eachother so much! <3 So if you are interested in sending me yours, I would appreciate hearing from you!

    Greetings from Germany and keep on pumping that discs!

  24. You guys in usa have the weirdest disc golf courses. So many times i see you guys throwing next to a car road or over a road and stuff. It seems like its not an actual course but rather random baskets at the most random locations 😀

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