Wind Dummies: Darren Bottom

The Little River Disc Golf man DB chats with the Wind Dummies.

Top with the Wind Dummies. Me and Ronnie Special guest up there. Well, he’s up to the left on my screen. Long time buddy, Darren Bottom. What’s up? Yup. Gerbs is in the background. Struggling with a little bit of illness. So, he’s

Just going to run the podcast. Sherry, be quiet. Well, any who. Produce, Gerbs is producing only tonight. Yeah. Yes, producer Gerber. You got just just just the two the two other Win Dummies tonight. Yup. Yep, yes, yes. True story. So, anyhow, well, let’s let’s

Talk about what we’ve done a little bit since the last episode and DB, you can just tell us something that you’ve done recently if you like. So, Ronnie, why don’t you go ahead and start anything good you’ve done the last three or four

Weeks? Um well, I had bunch of fun yesterday. Uh disc golf related. Uh got a chance to play with yourself and Luke Humphreys and the kid Nolan Ramser in a in a little king of ICT event that that Nick Hunt and and Humphreys threw

Together and we had GK Productions out there filming us and had a had a really good time out there. Uh got to walk and chat around with a bunch of folks and even managed to to take it down. You guys let me

Win. So, I appreciate that. Didn’t let you. I just couldn’t throw. So. But yeah, it was really great to have that many people from Wichita just out there falling around in the gallery and interacting with people and they saw some pretty

Incredible shots if they were paying attention They did they did see some cool ones. I mean, the kid threw one in from probably what? 150 feet? Yup. Forehand. Um there was driving through two holes later is as good as drive as you’re ever

Going to see anywhere. I mean, I, I mean, we’re walking up the fairway on that hole and I’m still asking people, that’s not all the way to the hole, right? Cuz I didn’t. Oh, yeah. It was unbelievable. Well, when I

Asked the guys, I said, where did that go? How close is he? They said, well, it hit the tree 25 past. So, it hit that tree in the air, I think. So. Yeah. That’s bonkers, dude. That’s so and uphill. Yeah, yeah. That’s ridiculous. And

Then your your drive on 17 was I mean as far as technical drives go. There’s not they’re not a drive better than that one in the entire event for sure. It was it, yeah, that was good. I, I hit, yeah, I hit

That spot perfect and and got that roller up there into the absolute perfect range to set me up for a putt that I, that I want to have, you know, it gave me 40 feet right down wind, downhill, and it was good out

Of my hand, walked it home. So, yeah, it was, it was a fun time and yeah, the, the people that were out there, I mean, it was incredible, dude. We, I mean, I kind of looked back at Danny G’s live coverage, and Man, we,

I bet there were seventy-five to a 00 people following that gallery when we when we cleared the third tee. So, it was, it was a good time. Yep. Uh, somebody said the drive on nine. I don’t even know what

Hole nine was. Oh, that was the other roller, that little uphiller where I threw the cut roller around everything. And then missed the putt. Oh, yeah. There we go. That was a good one too. Yeah, you know, that one, that one was a little bit

Lucky compared to the, the real good one. Did you, do we need to go outside of these trees or not? Yeah, I’m trying to roll the cut roller. With that left wind, I was trying to cut roller. You tried to get

Outside the trees and roll up there like that? Yeah, I I didn’t hit the the between the trees I was looking at. I was trying to hit the gap one gap further up but yeah, it was it was and it ended up really

Good. Yeah. Yeah. All for nothing. All for nothing. Drive for show putt for dough we learned yesterday. Still still in effect. So, yeah, I’ve tournament wise. Only thing I’ve done since the last one was the Miltonville. Damon, let

Me come back and run that and I and DB was even there. His first time in Miltonville and had a record turnout and I think we’ll talk about in a minute but that was fun, of course, and then, my favorite

Event of the year is started the Womple where two rounds in and I gotta win it. Riggs and I gotta win and the first win is always the scariest to make sure you’re in for the next year. Yup. And then, I got a

Win at Evergreen Park on Tuesday because I’m getting ready to go. Cruising for a week so. Oh. Mister Fancy. DB we gotta what what do we gotta do to get you into the womple, dude? That’s, that’s it’s only one, one day a week until you

Get in the losers bracket and you’re going to have to drive to Wichita a whole bunch, but I’m not going to be in the losers bracket though, so that would be okay. There you go. See, that’s what I’m talking about. Just one, one night of

Playing and you you might get in and and never leave. I might do that. But Smitty’s right. It’s the best, it’s the most fun I have all year. Um, I actually have my second round match tomorrow morning against Mike Unruh. So, little unruly

On crime. So, ready for that one. And I’m willing to share everything we have for the Wample with anybody else that wants it. All of our brackets, all of our how we what we do, how we run it. So, I mean,

Darren, it’d be awesome. In your area because you have all those little nine-hole courses. Mm hmm. That people can go to and man, you just set it up and it just pretty much runs itself. The hardest part is keeping the bracket updated.

So, you know, I was able to recruit a couple helpers this year, Ronnie and Brian Thompson. So, but it’s awesome, man. It’s it’s so much fun. So. Yeah, he could he could definitely do it in Central Kansas. You have plenty enough

People that can do it and and it’s crazy That first year, what are we nine years in now and we struggled to fill that 32 person bracket and now, you know, what what I think total we had close to 55 or something

Like that. So, that’s. Yup and only the only three people that didn’t come back? No. So. Yeah. That’s awesome. What about you, DB? What you’ve been doing? Well, you know, in no tournaments this last 2 weeks, not since Milton Vale but

Grounds twice a week, you know. And then I got a real job. You know what that’s all about. Yeah, I know, I know all about what that’s about. My number one customer. I know. You need to, I need another, you gotta,

You gotta come sell me something. We’ll get around. Oh, awesome. Awesome. I’ll sell you. Anything you want to, buddy. You just let me know. I know you want. Break out the checkbook. Let’s do it. I see Kevin on there. He says

He he’ll do the bracket for me if I set it up. See there you go, man. You’re you’re already, you’ve already got a staff. I got a staff. Oh, I got a good staff. You have no idea. Yeah, we run it for 5 weeks. You

Could run it shorter, I think, if you. Well, it depends how big your bracket is, I guess, or you could do a bigger bracket and go longer, but, yeah, it’s pretty fun. I want to check it out. For sure. Yep. Should we talk about

Points leaders? Yeah, let’s do it. Alright. All the open. We’ll talk about the open division first because it’s top of my list. We got the defending champ, Jordan Schaefer at 3and fifty-two points. Followed by his nice teammate, Darren Bottoms team

There. Two hundred ninety-nine points and then, for some reason, I’m still in open. And I endured it 295 points. So, mistakes have been made. Yeah, that’s true. That’s true. I’m learning more. Um we got Christina Miller. I I still

Don’t know Who or where she’s from? I got meant to look over the last month and I didn’t but she’s got twenty points. She’s our only pro woman. Christina Miller at his Dennis Weaver’s daughter. Oh, okay. So, she’s a little river area. My person.

McPherson. She got 20 points. She must play two food drives maybe. I think she did. Yes. Inman for sure. Okay. Or maybe she played a did was didn’t we do that something at this year? 50 kickoff. Oh yeah, she played

That game off in Marquette and then she played food drive. She’s got twenty. So, she just got the twenty from the kick off then. Guys, you guys are just dominating this thing in the pro forty. Nate Weens. I’m looking up at two one two.

Another one of your guys, right? Yup. And then, second is Levi whose Salina who basically you guys probably don’t want to claim but you do claim him. And then in third and there we got Ronaldo there. Yep. I’m I’m I’m going to be struggling with

With the travel we got going on in the summer and and and me going out of town in a bunch of places. I don’t know how many KDGA events I’m on. It’s going to be hard for me to get into the into the finals this

Year. Maybe. Last chance qualifier. I might be the have to go. Yep. Over normally with normal numbers, about half of the people qualify one way or another. So, but this year, we put 200 and whatever people will probably have. It’ll be a

More people but a smaller percentage for sure. So, in the pro fifty division, Two hundred and eighty points. Randy or Randy Mattingly making a comeback. Right behind him our boy right here, DB. Here he is. Yup. You’ve won that. You’ve

Won that division a few years in a row. Just to let you know. I’m not exactly sure how many. It’s been a few. You’re going to know by the end of this podcast. Hey, look that up. And third, we got Mosier

With one ninety-three. And then P 60. We got Lehe leading the way. Two hundred and two. Way ahead of everybody else. Advanced, Nate Taylor, good gosh, man. I think his goal is to win the Oz Tour this year. He already has 3 and

Eighty-seven points. So, he’s ahead of Schaefer and if you look at his profile on PDGA, he’s got a long list of KDJ events he’s already signed up for. So, he’s just trying to rake him in. He looks like a man on a mission, don’t he?

Yeah. Yeah, I will. The only one that I think that had shut right now might be Shaffer or Tate and Schaefer already said he’s not in for it this year. He yeah. And then Eli’s following. Yeah. Nate and Tanner Porter behind him. Both

With a lot of points also. Yep. 250 and 215. And then Natasha Bush. I don’t know. Is she Little River area Darren? Do you know? I don’t know that one. However. She’s at 20 points. Uh MA 40 we got Craig with two sixty-three. And

Phillip 219 and Kevin Neufeld. One90 Three. Another nice. Yeah, another nice guy right there. MA 50 is a battle, man. We got Money Mike Snyder, oneeighty-two, Manny at 1 fifty-four, and Greg Renfroe. I think first time KDGA got one forty-six. And then in May

Sixty, Larry is running away with that. MA two, we got Joe Morrison with oh Natasha, somebody said. Joe Morrison with two oh 6, Andrew with one sixty-one, and mister Beatrice, one forty1 from Garden City. FA two, we got Michelle, Beatrice, 100, Randy at ninety-four,

Vanessa, Beatrice, that’s Beatrice right there. That’s a whole bunch right in a row. Yep. Uh all all Garden City, all new to KJ in the last couple of years and. That’s awesome. I feel their pain, man. That’s a lot of traveling

From way out that way. I’ve done that for a few years and then in junior, we got a Ivan who belongs to a Beatrice leading that thing. So, that’s the points. Yeah. Probably, probably just over halfway through the. Oh. Season, I

Guess. Yup. So, I’ll let you cover the recent events, Ronnie. Yup, we’ll go through everything that’s happened since we we did this last. Um looks like Toodle Toss. That’s that’s Concordia, yeah? Is that right? No. Notre Dale. You know, Vale. Uh fifty-five.

Y’all y’all were both there. You you can you can speak to the terminal more. 55 players. Absolutely. They got $1$1, 000 dollars out of cash to that tournament. That’s crazy. Every year, man, working team brings in that much or more than that

Every single year. That’s I need to get up there. I need, I just need to make it happen next year. Well, people always ask me about the course and I just say, it’s interesting. And I leave it at that. It makes

Marquette look like a freeway. Oh, okay. Well, Well, that’s that’s definitely interesting. Yeah, you do a lot of, you do a lot of trick shots off the tee and it has a legitimate Par four under 300 feet. Nice. Pretty wild. Yeah. You throw

Through a door and then you turn the corner and throw it through a hallway. He threw a 00 dollar bounty on that thing for a birdie. For for a two. For a two. And nobody got it. Yep. Wow. Tate won open. Look

At looks like and Smitty Smitty got the low score. So that’s what I’m looking at. Another asterisk their own guys. Another asterisk. The old guys seem to be doing that a lot. I’m just saying. Skyview open. Uh 23 players. Uh Spellman

Apparently won that one. Um and Mister Alvarez looked like he had the same score. Looked like was that another what division did that come from? MP 40. Another old guy. Just saying. Interesting thing about Scotty Oakland with 23 players. He was

A PDJ event it. So, they actually paid zero AJA sanctioning fees because KJ pays the PDJ sanctioning which is fifty bucks and then, we we ask to collect $2 per person from an event with only 23 players. I mean, you can do the

Math. You can see that it was just a wash for us and that’s great. I mean, that’s fine. We don’t. If we can do anything to get a tournament popping up and PDJ days, cool thing dad to a tournament I think and that’s

Just helpful. Well, and and now, I mean, and and Darren, you can speak to this here here in a minute. Um and and I know it’s never really been your MO but now the ease in which the PD PDGA sanction event makes it

On the TD. It’s it’s almost becoming a no-brainer. I think it is a no-brainer. So. Well, it’s I, next year, I will be, all my events will be PDGA. Alright, there’s only, there’s a few issues with that as well, too, like, with PDJ comes more

Strict rules. Sure. So. Sure. A lot of people like to play casual disc golf rounds and drink beer and do that thing on the course and as soon as you make it PDJ, you’re then a TD responsible to say you can’t do

That, man. You’re out. Yeah, irresponsible at that point. You gotta kind of look at your who you’re trying to make the events for, I think, before you do that and decide, but, yeah, I mean, but if you like to push

A button and have it put everything in, fill your cards for you, and every, all the scores are online, so there’s no adding scorecards, man, it, it, it, it is worth two bucks a person to me. Yeah. For sure. Um looks like after that, we

Had Duda here in Wichita. Fairly I I think I think there’s no no real mystery there and I don’t think anybody would disagree. Pretty disappointed with the overall turnout at Duda this year. Um it’s the first time in quite a

While. It’s been, I think Belson said maybe the first time in four or five years, it’s been less than a twenty, I think is what he was telling us at at at the Womple playing. So, they only had 74 guys which

Like I said, disappointing but it it is what it is. Um I think I think maybe there’s going to be some things in place next year that’s going to going to bump that back up and it’ll be it’ll be everything that we we

We always expect of it. So, 157 last year, one sixty-nine. Yeah. Two years ago. And maybe it’s an aberration, right? I mean, we maybe we we can just call it an aberration and hope that’s got not going to be not

Going to be that way, not way, going forward. Yeah, I hope not, man. I think maybe the look of tournaments has changed a lot over the last few years, meaning that that format is really a thing in the past, two

Days, two, four rounds is, you don’t do that very often. I mean, all three of us have been around long enough to, I mean, that was, I mean, if it was any kind of a large event, that’s just what we did, right? We

Played four rounds across two days and now, it just seems that folks really don’t want to do that and and I’ll be honest with you, I’m kind of one of ’em. It’s it’s taxing and it can really make that if you’re

Traveling, it would make for a long Sunday home. Uh so, I I I understand I understand folks paying there. Yeah and back in the day, that’s what a B tier was. Yeah. You know, if it was a B tier, it was 2 days, four

Rounds. Yeah. Mister Alton won. Mister Alton won the dude up by by five. He he won kind of going away and I I can’t remember what I was seeing that he had said. I don’t think that was that’s maybe three Uh three

Times he’s won that tournament so. He does well in Wichita. Uh not a surprise there. Uh par flight. I’m not sure that I’m familiar with that one. You guys are going to have to help me out. That’s an Ottawa. Scott

Reek. Oh that was Scott Reek’s tournament. Okay, I I guess I just didn’t know the name of it. Gotcha. Uh 39 people for that one. Super happy to see KDGA representation in that part of the state. So, looks like Justin Farrell was our

Winner there. Be interested to see if Scott messages in or something if he’s if he’s watching him and let’s us know anything else. Um and then Norton. It’s like Norton was was Norton last weekend or week before? Uh just this last weekend. Just last

Weekend. Gotcha. Great turnout. Yeah. 58 folks in Norton. So, another one that I am ashamed to say I’ve never been to and keep promising to make it. So. Really fun course, man. That’s that’s that’s all I ever hear and I tell that poor guy every

Year I’m going to go and I lied to him every single night. It’s it’s a fun one. Uh it’s a long drive. I’ll tell you that. I made it a few times even when I lived in Winfield just to go

Back and you know, be part of that thing. So, that’s one, that’s one I’m going to have to get onto. Uh look like winners there. James King and Jacob Woolberg both both at a hundred and one. I’m not sure what divisions those came out of.

With Pro. Both Pro. Yup and must win to a playoff and they had James listed his first so. Oh, James. James won a playoff. Gotcha. Yup. Yeah. He’s he’s a Norton kid. I don’t know if he still lives in Norton but he

Was always there when he was a little kid. So, I’m sure he’s still around there. Somewhere. You know, just the classic kid that throws 10, 000 miles. It’s a good thing there’s not very many of them around. Right. Um yeah, looks like that’s what

Everything we’ve had since since our last pod. We can go through everything that’s coming up. Um and I know first out of the rack is going to be one mister Bottom can tell us about. The next one? Yeah, what

Do you got going on next week? Santa Fe Trail open. Lions school, high school course. Um got a big raffle. I don’t know if you’ve seen the the event page. The Young Life Group in Lions has put together a big

Old raffle. Josh. It goes along with this. Raise some money for them. Gotta be present to win or can someone get in that from afar? I think he could probably get it in from afar if you wanted to. It’s not, I’m not

Running the raffle part of it but I’m going to can set that up. I bet you I could probably be convinced. I think he should just come play. Well, I would like to stay married and I’m going to be gone an awful lot

This summer so. I’m going to probably have to. Is that the course you and I played when I came up and visited you? Yeah, yeah, that’s Alan. Oh, no. You killed me on that course. There’s no way I’m playing

That. Oh, no, no, no, the truth comes out. No, it’s not. It’s not a white thing. It’s You can’t just whoop me on it then try to get me to come. That’s not going to happen. I think when we play like seven

Holes. Yeah. Well, I lost by a lot. So, when is, when is that one, Darren? That’s Saturday. This Saturday. It’s this Saturday. 17th or something, right? 17th, correct. Everybody get up there. Um. Everyone see. We can weekend after that. Pratt. Well, Saturday after

That. It’s about one-day event Uh hot and cold plastic. Um you know that’s that’s a long time one that I played for on the Oz Tour. Um and it’s pretty cool. They’re going to add Lemon to it. I I’ve only played that

Park I think once at a food drive. So pretty excited to get back over there. I know I know you’re a former champion. Smitty. I’ve I’ve won that one before. That’s those guys always do it right. So pretty excited to get back to pray.

Yep. And yeah it’d be fun to play both parks too. And I’m I’m glad that they switched it to a one day. So and last I registration was it like 70 ish give or take person and what one one05 or 110 is the cut off

I think. I think it was one ten. I I I’m pretty it’s starting to feel like it it’s going to fill for sure now. Um the just the last couple weeks registration started really go up. So I would be now I think

I’d be surprised if it’s if it’s not full or really really close to it. Cool players packs, cool trophies for the winner of pro and men’s a I’ve never won a ring. So. Give us a I’m not going to win a ring

This year. I I’m I’m I’m slated to play there for now. We’ll, we’ll, we’ll see how that goes. What about you, Darren? You going to Pratt? Oh, yeah. I’m just looking at the registration. Looks like Smitty’s playing in the 50s.

Oh, I got a couple guys playing against each other here. Anybody want to throw a jab one way or the other or? Man. No, I’m just going to go there and play. Fair enough. I’ll work with that. Looks like after that when Cessna Classic, you

Can talk about that one, Smith. Yes, that’s the classic. We do it on two days but it’s basically two tournaments. Some divisions on Saturday, other divisions on Sunday. We we did that format a couple years ago and it worked out really well.

Last year, we went back to just one day and yeah, it, if you let in as many People want to play it normally. It’s too small of a park, too cramped. So, we’re doing smaller fields you play both days. That’s the

Cool thing. You can you can play one division on Saturday and if you want to play again on Sunday, you can play that a division on Sunday as well. Um KJ wise though, what they’ve done in the past is you could

Only earn What was it? You only entered your highest number of points. So, if you scored more on Saturday than you did on Sunday, you got that? I don’t know if that’s what they’re going to do this year or not.

That’ll be a Kevin and those guys questioned. So, far as I’m concerned, you pay your money, you should be able to get double dip points if you want. Feels feels right to me. Yup. It’s two separate events. I mean, Phil’s feels like it. I

Mean, if you, if you decided to go both days, I feel like both events should should count your total But my favorite Um so, we got that one, July 1 and 2, right? Um and the weekend after that, University Park Crush, I

Assume that’s Manhattan. That is correct, sir. Outside of Manhattan. No. And then that last one shouldn’t be on there. I don’t know why it is. Yeah, that one looks like somebody didn’t quite update. So, that’s everything coming up between

Now and the next time we’ll talk and still yet to be determined on next month’s podcast. Maybe maybe a little. Something to say about that later. Rule school. Well, you got it, buddy. Alright. True story here. Two weird things happened. Both at Miltonville,

Darren. Darren, I don’t know if you saw either one of them. Um you may have saw the second thing I’m going to talk about. Alright, so here it is. Player A, throws his disc and it lands in the middle of the fairway.

He then grabs the floppiest piece of junk frisbee you’ve ever seen in your entire life. And in fact, I asked him if it was even legal for disc golf before he threw it. And he said, yes then he’s later sent me a link

To the PDJ that proved that it was legal and he threw this thing from 45 feet and stuck that sucker dead square in the face mask. Like, I’ve seen Omega Super Softs do it a gazillion times but this thing just stuck right in there.

Stuck the squares? Right in it. No doubt about it. Went in from the outside of the cage. You know the rule used to be. If you see it going from the outside then it’s no good. But if it’s like a blind shot over

A hill and you come around or stuff you had to assume it’s good. Well according to rules what do you guys think Good foot, bad foot. It’s good. Ronnie, yes, it’s good. It counts. Never got over by the unit, right? Yup. Never got

Above the face mask and booyah, good. Then, the next hole, I think it was the next round though but these are back-to-back holes within the course. Person throws from the tee. Hits the band coming in, shoots straight up in the air,

Hit a tree, top of the basket. I was on that card. Darren, was this you? No. No, not me. But it, it It was better than an ace. I had I I watched it happen. Luckier than an ace? Luckier than an ace.

Better than a shot that never got above the cage. Yep. But he had to putt. He had to putt. No good. No good on top. Yeah. No good on top which it makes it makes the rule seem strange, right? So, one supported by the

Unit and got high enough to go in and doesn’t count. One supported by the unit still was never high enough to go in and doesn’t count. Correct I’m okay with it actually being either way but both of those really should be They should be

It should be the same for both putts. Same result in my my opinion. Okay. Rule 807 B is the rule. In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest,

Supported by the tray, wedgie, or the chains below the chain support. Yup. So, just that last little bit Got it. Yeah, that’s that’s what, you know, that’s what sets the rule there but it just it doesn’t seem right. It’s just so weird to

See those two things happen. In the same tournament, probably the same tournament. Yeah. I I can’t remember. I think the last time I saw somebody stick the squares was years ago, Harv hit an ace at Mulvane. Stick in the squares on that little hole

Back in the corner. I haven’t seen it happen in forever. Well, Darren uses super softs. He probably sees it. I see it every now and then. Yeah. Not as often as it as I used to. But Yeah, the super soft will

Stick in the side of the cage. And that’s pretty popular putter in your neck of the woods. It’s very popular over here. So, alright and then, this really is a rule school but something that’s come up the last two tournaments that I

Want to talk about with you guys and it’ll be interesting to see Darren’s, hear Darren’s perspective as a a TD but at the last two tournaments, there’s been a two baskets on every hole. Okay? And it determined at Duda, I was

Vending outside of the clubhouse and two times I saw a person’s throw hit and chained out of the basket because it’s in the direct route. It it’s the best line of flight. Hole three, you throw right over that basket on the short pin or

From the short tee to the long pin and on hole four from both T pads, the only only true is right over the basket. So, I just, I don’t know. I don’t I don’t like him being there. I understand that it’s It’s a job

To remove em or at least remove the ones that’s in the way, pain in the butt to store em. So, but it just seems like they shouldn’t be there. Ronnie, what do you know about? Um well, I mean, I I heard

A similar thing happened over the weekend, right? Diff, different but similar, except a tournament left baskets up and there was a lot of confusion because you know, when the rules did or didn’t say what was going on and and it was

Pretty vague and I I really can’t. Say for sure but people play to the wrong basket. You know, because and and penalties were enforced and then, later removed and then, who knows what was played right and who knows what wasn’t

Played right and you get yourself and and you and I have had these conversations about having two baskets on a whole just in general, right? In in the park, not outside of tournament play and we don’t really agree on on whether that

Should happen anytime and I I think you just put, you set yourself up as a TD for for trouble if if you leave multiple pins and on the same hole. Um someone just said, put exactly. You put trash bags on

There. Um or just remove the basket. Set it up against a tree you know, on on the edge of the hole or something, right? I mean, it’s not going to go anywhere while everybody’s in the park. You know, playing the

Golf course and you can slide it right back in there as soon as the round’s over. So, I just think you set yourself up for a for a chance for bad things to happen and people to get upset and and just go down a path you

Really don’t want to go down. They did have trash bags over met Dudah but What if it’s on the only, if it’s on. Players the only, playing to the basket wasn’t the issue there. The the issue is the basket is in the way.

Yeah, exactly. Like, I saw Tate literally chain out of hole three on his way to the the basket he was supposed to play and then luckily he made a putt from 80 miles away to save his birdie because I mean his shot

Looked perfect shot right at it and then I know Schaefer on hold for it Herman Hill flicked over the hill and blew up the trash bag covered basket at the top of the hill going to the one you know, down below and and

Noah Schaefer, that’s a flick, tried over that hill, it’s perfect, Boom. Down the way. So, I think, yeah, you’re right. We we disagree for casual play. I love the fact that they’re all over at Herman Hill. I think he gives you so

Many options. I think, you know, it sets the course up for more people to play. You can do whatever you want but I do think at tournament play, they should be out of the way. You know, there’s some holes where

The basket’s not an issue. Mm hmm. You know? I think I think I kind of remember seeing a picture with Scott Reek throwing to the wrong hole at his tournament Or not maybe it wasn’t his tournament but A tournament. It was that par

Thing or that par flight. The one in Ottawa. Yeah. For sure. I think he but I think he maybe just takes the wrong ball. He hit the wrong hole. Yeah. Yeah. Titan. This tight quarter’s wrong park. But it’s you know

It’s it’s just right in the lines. If it if it’s the only if it’s the only way to get to a basket. Why play through play through a basket to get to another whether it’s covered up or not. So. Yeah just pull it

Out. It’s and you just pull it out. DB, what do you think? I think it’s a tournament. I think it should, I don’t think it should be in the way. Especially in sanction play. I mean, it should, one shouldn’t be any different than

The other but definitely in sanction play. It, yeah. And I think the issue at the other tournament was different divisions played different baskets. So, it wasn’t as and maybe even different tea pads which, you know, that totally makes sense.

If you have Servpro out there throwing a five-hundred-foot hole and you have a hundred and option, yeah, let juniors play that. Last thing you want to do is have juniors out playing monster holes and you know, and four women playing these

Monster holes. That’s no fun for anybody, especially them. So, I think the intentions were right there but I think. Yeah. The amount of work you’d have to do on the the front end of that to make it feasible would be incredible. You’d have to I

Don’t know man. Two different colored baskets maybe. You’d have to have all the T side T pads marked. You’d have to make sure that that PDJ scoring app said exactly what to do hole by hole by hole. So but I know

Canton, Taylor, he played pro. His first pro event at he just has a birthday just turned, I don’t remember it’s 15 or sixteen but he threw to the wrong basket twice and didn’t get stroked because you can throw wherever the heck you

Want. He just had to throw an up shot to the real basket and bug him both times but Yeah, I mean, in in in the deal with people playing multiple courses and that kind of stuff, I mean, I I I almost think you

Just gotta go down the road of of one basket and just change tees. You know, that’s it’s just you just set yourself up for too much confusion. Hell, I get confused playing at Clatt Park when there’s two courses in the same park. What basket

Am I looking at? Am I looking at a basket on my horn? I’m looking at a basket on another hole, right? So, I mean, you gotta, you gotta, unfortunately, you gotta set it up for the dummies like me. Um not to cause confusion for

Everybody else. That’s just my opinion. Right. So. Yeah. That’s a good discussion, I think. So, I do want to bring up one thing before we go to our interview with Darren but the Kansas State PDJ coordinator spot is going to

Come open. The person who’s currently running, who’s currently doing it, has done it for the last couple of years, is probably finally fed up with dealing with everybody’s **** and or maybe you just got too much other stuff going on. I

Don’t know. But that job’s coming open. So, they’re going to need some candidates to apply and I’ve done it in the past when it would have been a lot easier back then because there was less than 15 PDJ tournaments a year in

Kansas but you know, now you got multiple tournaments on the same weekend to deal with. So, yeah. Somebody who’s in the chat but they certainly is not a job for Ronnie Unreal. I’m pretty sure you don’t have enough to do already. I mean, I

I love all y’all and I and I and I love that I I love doing stuff like that but that’s too, that’s too much of an under Who even said that? Oh, I see. I can’t see who said it but whoever said it’s on my ****

List. Now, we have some people out there that I think are capable of doing that kind of stuff though. Um I I still can’t see who’s saying stuff but I can see the comments. Well, I tell you, if there’s somebody that wants to do it,

They need to they need to. they need to get on the list and they need to make sure they have thick skin because that’s a job where you’re not going to please everybody. It’s impossible. You know, Darren has a tournament. I have a

Tournament. They’re Little River to Wichita Park but we’re still he mad because I’m taking his people. I’m mad because he’s taking my people and yeah. Yeah. So but somebody’s going to have to do it. But he’s gotta do it for us. So, I

Mean, whoever, you’re a hero, whoever does it. Um. Dang right. We have, we have some people out there that are capable. Um I I. We don’t want wrong people to get it. Right. Yeah. That’s that’s and that’s a fact, right? You want to make

Sure that that that doesn’t happen. I mean, Yeah, you don’t want to you don’t want to get in the situation where somebody does it to help their buddies out and piss on everybody else. Which the rules are in place. So if that

Was the case you could contact PDGA and you’d be able to trump whatever it was said but. And the hope the hope would be there’s some not someone out there like that. But I mean Anyhoo, it is what it is. Let’s

Get to DB. You ready, buddy? I don’t know. Well, we’re going to start it off It’s three from the T. You’ve heard us do it the last few months. You’re going to get the three questions everybody gets. You ready? Yup. What was the first

Disc you ever owned? Spider. Kind of a spider. That one kind of like almost like a putter. It’s a putter. It’s kind of a fun approach. Fun approach. It’s kind of like a gator but not as over stable. Gotcha. Okay. I think I

Remember that one. Um okay. If it’s your last round of disc golf ever, right? You want to get a go. You only gotta go one more time. Who’s in your foursome? So it could be any, it’s my last round. So, it

Can’t. It could be anyone in my world. It could be my my dream card. Your dream car. Even if it can’t happen. Even if it can’t happen, sure. It’s your call, buddy. Last card. Um Dennis, well, he chose you. Are people going to, the people

Will murmur Tom Bierthaler Chris Jones. How you going? Okay. And I think Man, it’s tough on here. I got, I got two. Greg Barsby Wow. That’s that’s a cool card. Could be a cool card. Yeah. Have you played with Barsby before? I

Have. We played Marquette. Oh, really? Oh, really? It was a good time. How do you do that? Highly, highly-rated ground. I would, I would, I got pictures on my wall that were taken at that at that round. Wow. He’s a super cool dude. How’d you,

How’d you do against him? It was, we were, it was, it was more of a fun round than whatever. Did you beat those phenomenal putts that he makes, he made them? Yeah, Tina. Yeah. It was a good time. That’s cool

In DB. That was a good. Yeah. That’s for sure Jonesy was going to be on there. I was hoping he would be. Yeah. Dude, how did how do I leave him behind? Yeah. Um I forget who I was talking to. Um maybe I

Forget who it was but they didn’t know that we had lost that son of a gun. So they were really shocked to to find out. How long has that been? I know I’ve done two tournaments at Marquette. It was, it would be

Three. The first one we had the we did the benefit. Which he was supposed to be at. Mm hmm. And he didn’t make it. Well, he made it. Just not. Wait. He didn’t make it to that. And that’s it, Bennett. And then

I’ve got no, then there was two more. We’ve had we’ve done two since then. And his as have been there. His ashes have been there at all of them. The first one, I got to take him to the pizza place in he he traveled

Around with me for. Probably a couple weeks. Just riding in the car, going to courses here and there. Yeah. It was a good time. That’s cool. That’s it’s just weird that, you know, we all love that son of a gun but

God dang, he could get under our skin. But dang it, man. Ugh. Uh huh. Yeah Yeah, I miss that guy. Yep, absolutely. I’m going to I’m I’m going to give you one more, Darren on the on the three from the tee. Okay. It

Could be anything, anything you want it to be. What’s your, what’s your, your favorite disc golf memory? Favorite memory. Okay, here’s a good one. Um Dennis and Annetta flew me and Sherry to Dallas. We rented a cabin 10 or 15

Miles from Selah. Played Selah one day. Played Trey Deuce the next day And then we drove back and played courses all along the way. Probably the best one. Wow. That’s cool. Uh huh. It was a good time all four of you

Flew up there and then all four they drove. Oh okay. And then we we flew up. Met him. They picked us up at the airport. I can’t remember whose house we went to in Dallas. We played with the I think we met. And I

We met one of the boys in Dallas and we played a course in Dallas. And then we went and we got we had a cabin at Bear Lake. Something like I don’t know. I still got the business card. I’m going to go back

There. The deck looked over the lake. Wow. And then there was kayaks and stuff. We spent the whole weekend. It was good. It was played those courses are big. See the ranch was big? Yeah. She was big. Both courses are big big courses. I think

They might be gone now. They’re not. I heard they I heard you can’t play them anymore. I’m glad I got to do it before before it happened. I never got to plan. And you golfed your way back too. And they golfed

Your way back That’s cool. Cut. One, two, three, four rounds. Coming back. With minutes. Pretty sweet. Yeah. With Dennis. Here’s a question from one of your fans, Evan. And you may not know. He says, how many tournaments do you run in a year?

This year. Eight this year? Uh huh. How many think you’ll play? 14 or 15 And then I’m registered at five now. I don’t know. There’s so many man. I know. So many. I still haven’t worked once in a while. Yeah

Well. Some of us. I’ve been there. There ain’t a whole lot of work going on there. Ow. Come on now. And then his final question and I don’t know if you know the answer to this was what’s the most you played in a

Year? Tournament? Yep, do you have any idea? 22? I bet you played more. I’ll we’ll talk about that in a little bit. Oh boy. Oh boy. Is this a free ballpark or a game? Twenty-four? I don’t know. We’ll see. I I think that I

Think you’ve done more. It’s possible. Here’s here’s a question for you. Um Hold on. Let me let me let him. Okay. How many aces does that yellow? I seen that one on there. I don’t know. Ten. How many of you on that? How

Many are on that short hold, Marquette? Smitty’s name’s on there. It wasn’t Marquette. Where’d I get it at? Food Drive. First hole, first throw. Whole one in Inman. Oh, I remember. Yeah, right over the rim. Okay. Well, yeah. If you

Play all those courses, 10 aces. It’s it’s a mortar. It’s I mean it’s a tweet. Yeah, it’s easy. I like, I like those little courses too. What’s currently in your bag that mortar. What else? How long’s it been in there? You know,

It’s been in there since it was since they were first runs. It was, I got it as a new one. Uh, six years maybe? On that one? I’ve traded in, traded it in and out a few times. But it always comes back. Keeps the

Goodies are in there. Oh, I got a Astra X Calvin Calvin Draco. Four scores three quasars solstice, New Glow Solstice. It made the bag. It’s it’s it’s I like it. Um is it that standard plastic or is it? I like the glow. It’s it’s

It’s more tacky. It’s tacky. Just the the quantum plastic is a little bit just a little bit stiffer. It’s it just feels good. It feels like a first-time mortgage. The comments I think have it right. What do you say? That’s me.

What’s in your bag? In my bag. Oh. Beers. Somebody said. Beers. Ruby’s. About an XD. Nope. Dennis would love an XD. He would love an XD. I can’t believe that in that whole place, there’s not one stash somewhere. I can’t

Believe he hasn’t gotten any mail to that place since last month. With the millions of people that see our stream, I can’t. I know. Yes. Man. Seems seems unlikely. He’s got a he’s gotta he’s got a super soft in there that seems to be doing

Just as good a job at. I believe it. What’s the chances of of ever playing Little River again? If I win the Powerball, that’ll be the first thing I do. I’ll buy that house and and build that course back. Too many memories in that bromfield

Never got to play it. Ain’t that a shame? Oh my god. You probably missed mowing it though. You know what? That would I’d have to hire. If I won the Powerball, I could hire it then. You can hire a guy.

You gotta hire me. Well, I don’t I don’t think Sherry would allow me to have it back. The hours that I spent mowing. Yeah. Oh, it had to be a tremendous amount. It was a lot. Word to Phil? No, yeah. It

Was a good course. It was a bunch of fun. Lot of people had a lot of memories there. There was things that happened in Little River that happened on that corset. Yeah, they should stay there. Like the concert. The concert was good. And they

Asked about the concert. I missed the concert. I don’t remember what happened but I I had to come home but I remember the next day seeing videos of Randy Brown singing his songs and Randy Brown the daughters, the band I had to go, yeah.

Yeah, Sherry came and got me and said, we’re going home now. Yep. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Kicked out of your own concert. I got kicked out of my own concert. Yeah. It was good. When did you start playing disc golf? Man, I was trying to

Figure that out. You know, back in probably ninety-six, 97, I lived in Washington State and some guys I knew took me out to the still at Stillicum course and gave me a putter. Really didn’t, it didn’t get, you know, it’s a bunch of

Trees. I threw it in trees. It was lost. I I didn’t really catch my thing. Probably 2002 or three in hutch. I ran across the maces, Jack and Diana. Mm hmm. And they’re a little club that they had going and I started playing.

That would be, I would say two thousand, I mean, that would be when I really started playing. I think that’s where I mentioned. When I just said, this is something I want to be good at. Yup. I’ve still been working my way toward trying to

Be good. I think one of the first times I remember you was Lakewood Park is probably 200 3 or four Is and there must have been a tournament there. But that’s one of the first times I remember meeting you and

Hanging out with you. That’s a long time ago. That’s a long time ago. Yep. Yeah. I I I definitely remember seeing you because I used to go play that little Saturday morning league up there in Hutch every now and then. And and then obviously

Beloit for several years has always been the boom. Always been the mood as well. Is that your favorite Bullock story, The Boom? I love that story. Do you know about that, Ronnie? Uh I I wasn’t there that year but I’ve I’ve heard plenty of times

About it. Smitty was walking up on the hole when I when I boomed that off. Yeah. Well, you guys, you guys were throwing into that hole. I was thinking that everybody was moving and you had one more boom. Oh, I did. Man I got

Boyd and me are both stacular. He had one more boom and he was lighting it, right? As a cop was pulling up behind him. It was like it was a train crash. You just couldn’t look away. You could just see Darren

Vandez’s little like this thing in the cob slow rolling in. Boom Oh. Awesome. I walked over to the cop and said, hey, man. I’m on my way out of here. Are you cool with that? Yeah, you’re on your way to jail,

Son. In the 2G, in the two GRV. Yeah, Did you get a ticket? No ticket. I got one. I got one for the big one. What was that? Two years ago. Year before? Two years before? I don’t know. Oh I do remember that one too.

Yeah, that was the huge one, man. Yeah, it was big. Yeah. Man, I’m going to. This bigger was Spence. Huh? I’ve heard a bigger one since then. Yeah, you and I both have. A guy that lived right between Ronnie and

I, right in the middle of us. We’re probably, we’re a mile apart probably. Mom and a half. Guy was making his own fireworks and blew up his entire house. Killed him. Blew the roof off of that son of a

Buck. And I mean it shook. Uh I I I texted Smitty right with him. What the hell was that? It’s I I thought I honestly thought that the deck fell off the back of my house. Man. I mean it shook. It shook the

**** out of it. It was crazy. It was big. Yeah it was wild. It was it had whatever you did that I’ve heard about for 15 years it didn’t have nothing to do with this. Yeah. Well, no problem. Hey, how many courses have you designed?

I don’t know. I did ten. I probably done ten on my own. And then but helping Dennis do stuff. All over the place. I mean we went the Wakefield courses ours. The Hope course is ours. Almost everything close to here. Ten, 12, 14

Which one ranks number one? Marquette ranks number one. I love one new place. It’s a fun place. Yeah, when you get a guy gives you a call and say, hey, I got some property. I’d like you to build a disc golf

Course. Is that how that worked out? It’s how that worked out. He found my, I did Wallpark and in the in their brochure. It’s it bliss me as course designer. He got a hold of me. Found it found me there. Ask me to come

Over to Marquette and check it out. He showed me this grove of trees. I was like, oh yeah. This is going to be good. So, the guy works for Marquette or something? No. He used to. Fred Peterson, he was the city

Clerk. For years, Retired. Came across came into some money at some point and has been spending it on his town ever since. This cool dude. Wanted a disc golf course. So is that a that’s a city-owned land though still right? Is it? We had to

Go to the council to get them to allow us to put it there. Which is kind of fun. I did. It was alright. No, they weren’t using it for anything else. No, it was, the trails were already there. Were they? But we I

Mean, we worked, we worked around them as best as we could. Mm hmm. That’s cool. Mm hmm. Yeah, I didn’t, I never knew how that. That all worked out. That was 100% donor money. He, he, he sprung for the whole

Thing. He still is. I’ve got sleeves for second placements in all of, for all the holes. I just gotta go get them put in. How many now. You probably gotta leave mine now, don’t you? Eight. I’ve got eight eight alternates. And That’s that’s

On most. That that one’s on most people’s list of favorite courses in Kansas. Yeah. Most people I know at least. It’s just unique. It’s fun. Yeah. It’s not like anything else. That’s what. Yeah Do you remember the first term you ever ran?

It would have been Mac attack Yep. And then did you, do you remember anything that you learned after that first tournament? This comes from AJ. Carl Hm. You never know how many people are going to show up. You do nowadays. You know, you

Have a better idea. You know, you know now. Yeah. I remember. One year of Mac Attack, I think I had 40 scorecards. You know, back when we still use scorecards. And it. Oh my god. 93 people showed up in McPherson. Mm hmm. To play Mac

Attack. Yeah, scrambling to find somebody with a printer. Just print some scorecards because there was a U disc then. Right. And Next year, you had a hundred scorecards and eight people showed up. Eight people showed up. Twenty-six, I don’t know. Yeah, well, you

Just, it was just so hard to to plan for what was going to happen because people would roll up the day of and expect to pay and you know, since at least since the COVID boost, most tournaments you know, once

In a while, you can still get in Daya but a lot of times, the tournament director likes luxury having everything done before he goes to bed that night. So, no day off. If you’re not in, you’re not in type deal. It’s a luxury

Though. I think I I’m still, I’m still going to let people in day of. Yeah. I I got somebody that can run the computer. You put Kevin behind the keyboard. If he’s there, man, it’s it’s like it’s like it was happened the night

Before. Mm hmm. You gotta have, you gotta have good help. You you don’t want to run people away. Help me. I like them better that they when they sell out in advance so and you are done. How much do you pay those

Guys? Man, those guys just like to hang out. There you go. Payman Ruby’s. Rubies. Everybody gets everybody gets a nice shirt. You know, then they’re just good. They’re just good people. Yep. No, no. They’re on the, they’re on the

Team nice. I mean, we have a we have a pretty good finals every year. They’re automatically in. Yeah, you guys do a lot of fun stuff that builds towards a final Tournament. Yeah. Every league ground builds into the into the end of the year. Yeah,

You keep we’re doing a $1thousand-dollar skin smash at the end of the year, every year. Right. You gotta have twelve rounds. It’s flighted. Wherever you land in the in the the thing. If you got twelve rounds and a bag tag, you can

Come play in my $000 skims match. How do you fund that? It’s with every every league takes a buck. Puts it away til the end of the year. Man, it’s not just, I mean, there’s more than 1 000 in the fund. Sure.

Mm hmm. I mean, donation to Kansas Discords sponsoring a hole at a tournament with Little River Sign on it. You know, we, I, we use it for lots of different stuff but there’s always going to be a 000 at the

End of the year. So, you do a $5- league entry and it’s just understood one dollars coming out or what? Yeah. Dollar Cup. Dollar goes to that. Dollar goes to the Ace Fund and three bucks goes out to the into the

Into the payout. Man, that’s so cool. What do you think you average at most of your leagues? People wise. 12 to 30 Depending where it’s at. Depending where it’s at. Depending what tournaments are going on. If I’m if I’m working

The weekend I’ll have a league round some, you know, somewhere around here. If everybody’s at tournaments and I can’t go, you know, it might have, we had 10 in Lions. No. Yeah, we had ten. It was four 3 three. We had ten

In Lions on Saturday. Is it every week all year long? Every week, all year long? Twice a week? Twice a week all year long. Uh huh. And you go busy? Why can’t you get on this? We need something like that. Me? You can

Play league anytime you want in Wichita. There’s one every night. We have enough for points and all this extra cool stuff. I’m out. Darren. You guys cover a lot of ground too. How far, what’s your farthest south? Cary Park?

Yeah, I don’t. I play Cary once in a while, not very often. Orchard for sure. Okay, so you still do it. I do a every now and then we go to Rice and I do a a skip a hole at rice. I

Forgot about that new place. So, you hit much and you hit the first in Wallpark once in a while. Eeler? Oh, Bueller. Bueller’s every month Bueller Inman every month. Lynnsburg. We don’t hear Lynnsburg very often. I don’t like, I know,

It’s my design but I don’t they came and they changed things around to the point. It’s, I don’t know, it’s just a baskets in a college. And Marquette, Lions, What am I missing? Orchard. Bueller. Yeah. Lions. Pretty much. That’s cool.

That’s cool. You guys have that big an area and people. Yeah, that is real cool. Oh yeah, Kanopolis. Somebody said the lake. Yeah. Kanopolis. Yeah, all the we do all the holidays at Kanopolis. Something. Why is that, Darren? I don’t know. I

Might already be there. At least to our next question. What’s the? What do you, what are you camping in this year? I got a 2022 reflection. Fifth wheel. Saw pictures. Brand new. Yeah, I saw pictures. Thought I’d get a chance to check it

Out in Belloy but I ain’t going to make it. You’re not going to make it. No, be in Arizona the whole week before and will this goes back to the wanting to stay married thing. So, yeah So, I’m I’m going to

I’m going to unfortunately put my but my camper might make an appearance. The boys may the boys may take my camper to Beloit for me. There you go. Keep the tradition alive. There you go. Smitty, I think that’s about all the questions. Do you

Want to is it game time? Did we, did we lose Smith? I don’t see him. I don’t see him. He’s back. Mary, he’s back. We we just changed verses. Musical chairs. So, alright. Well, we’re going to do a game time. Game time. It’s not as

Good a game as what we had last week or last month. That was fun. Our cabin must be on its chat. He’s got he’s doing stats. Oh yeah. Talking about your your league, your leagues. Uh huh. Let’s go. Forty-eight rounds.

That’s how many you played this year? Uh huh. That would be since 48 rounds would have been since the third weekend in November last year. That was the underfinals. We started back up right then. Everybody that makes it to finals and

Shows up gets gets into the league for the next year. Free bag tag. So forty-eight. And I think I’m I think I missed one. I’m not Kevin. Kevin knows the answers to that. And everything’s flighted. Everything’s flighted. So no

Udisc. No Udisc. No. And lots of lots of paper scorecards. Never any complaints about how it breaks down? Nope. I guess they just they come. They know. Split into thirds with the if there’s a more one number one group that has to have more

It’s the top. I like the flighted stuff. We’ve talked about this. I like it. It’s the fairest way to do stuff. And how do you do your skins at the end? The people that show up. You see Kevin’s round ratings

There at the end of the in the in the chat. So like I am a 14. 15. Mhm. Take that number. You show up in in Marquette or wherever it’s at. It’s always in Marquette. It’ll be in Marquette. Put my name with my

Stat and everybody else shows up at the same time split that into thirds. And each of each of those three groups plays for Three thirty-five. Three thirty-five. So it’s like a handicapping system. It’s a handicap. It’s basically a handicapping system that just

Continues to roll. Mike Shonifer tried to do something like this with the Air Captain Club 100 years ago and it was great because I’m I’m going to I’m going to just go out on limb and say him and Newfeld are probably get along pretty

Good. But we never got to this point. This is cool. It is cool. I think I’ve been doing it for four. Oh, more coming in. Here we go. Water. Here we go. Kevin’s on the, Kevin’s on the keyboard. Kevin’s on me.

Miguel. Alright. What should we play again then? Game timers. Game. Alright. I went back and I found as many stats as I could find back to twenty fourteen. And they all revolved around that man right there in the red shirt. Okay. Okay. And

It’s simple. Either say you either say thumbs up. If you think it’s true, thumbs down if you don’t. Okay. Alright. Simple enough. We’ll just keep track of points. Whatever, whatever. We’ll see how it works out. More than anything,

It’s just a cool way to say some facts about mister Bottom there. In 2014 Darren, you played in 13 KDJ events and scored five and eighty-2 points. Did you win your division? In 14, 2014. Thumbs up. Thumbs down. Ready? And go.

Point for Ronnie. You did not win your division. Ronnie, I’ll give you the opportunity to earn. What division? Wait, what division was it? 40. Oh. I’ll give you the opportunity, Ronnie, to score another point. If you can tell me who did win

His division that year. In 2014, good luck. Randy Brown. Nope. Give you a shot of point. DB if you can tell me who beat you. 14. Yep. Sloth. Nope. That’s a good guess. Good day of yours though. He drove all the way

Out to the lake in Manhattan wants to bring us an onion. Cuz we were cooking hamburgers and we didn’t have an onion. And you and you caught him and said I need an onion. He drove right all the way there. Yep. True

Story. Cancel. Yep. Good I remember that. Yeah. So, we’re camping out. We just. Yup. We’re both in Tampa that night. 2015. You only played 11 events and you scored 4 45 points. Did you win your division On three. Ready? One, two, three.

He did not win. Point for point for BB. Alright, DB. Bonus point if you can tell me who beats you and I’ll give you a hint. It was not Kinsel. Sloth, negative. Dang it. 2014. 40. Yep. 40. 40. This while you’re out. You

Don’t guess again. No I’m not going to say I’m not going to say it out loud. Bonnie this guy would have probably barely been forty. Well, that makes it harder. I was going to say, I was going to say Don. Who? I

Was going to say DM four. Nope. Hmm, that’s a good chance. And man. Oh. Oh, yeah. Goes. Little little bonus. Sweet had a thousand points that year. Thousand KJ points is what won overall. That’s a lot of points. It’s a lot of points.

2016. The next year. DB you played nineteen events. You scored 4 and93 points. Did you win your division? Come going with that theory. You did win your division. Yes. Ronnie, I would probably just go with him from now on if he

Goes early. Um alright. Must have been about when the streak started. Did you have more points than me that year? Warrior twenty sixteen. How many points? You had 4 93. I’m not going to tell you how many I had. It’s just a is this a

Sure. For you. I didn’t beat you. You are correct. You did not beat me. Ronnie Did he beat you? Oh. Time was I a member? You were. I’m I I I confuse my retirements. You were. This was the year you went into retirement for good.

Winfield broke in. Oh, I didn’t play a ton that year. I’m going to say Darren beat me. He did. Give me the point. Yeah, I didn’t play a ton that year and and that was the last round I played for about 18 months.

2017, you played a lot of events, 16. But you only scored 3 and80 points. Okay? Did you win your division? On three? One, two, three. You didn’t win. I didn’t win. You didn’t win. Oh. I was digged. What? Darren, you go

First. If you can guess the person that beats you, you can get a point. If not, we’ll give Ronnie a shot. Was he still in forty? Yep. Man. Dawn. Nope. Was Mosier old enough by that point? Oh, dang it. Is that

Your guess? That’s my guess. Nope, Cody B. Oh. Cody B. Curti B. He was even part of this. You were close. I don’t remember how close it was but it was really close. Alright, here we go. 2018. 21 events.

This is what made me think you probably played more than because you said 21 was the most you’ve ever played but I’m sure you probably play an event outside of KDGA as well. So, you probably hit twenty-two, twenty-three, twenty-four, I’m

Guessing. But in 2018, you played 21 events and only scored 3 hundred14 points. Yeah, I know. That’s not good. It’s rough sledding. Yeah, you were. You were rough year for you. Did you win your division? On three. Three, two, one. I’d

Be on one actually. You did win. You lost a point. Ronnie won it. Ronnie, you get the question. Anything special in 2018? About this guy right there in the red. He I I have no he he was too old to be playing

Forties. Correct, sir. First year of MP 50. Wow. That’s a good good score. Yep. Yep. Another one. Gives Ronnie the lead. Four to 3. Buy my books. But this is like whose line is it? The pointer for nothing anyhow. Alright, here we go. 2019.

15 events, two hundred and fifty-9 points. Did you win your event? Your age group. Ready? One, two, three. Alright. So, you both get a point. We’ll give it to DB. Would you have had enough points to win MPforty? No.

Ronnie, do you think he woulda had enough points to win MPforty? No. He would’ve. So you went all those years getting second place. Turned 50 and would have won forty. Ain’t that crazy? Okay. So, let’s see. 2020 15 events, hundred and

Ninety-nine points. Did Darren When is division? Three, two, one. What’d you say, DB? You did. He did win it. I don’t have a bonus for twenty 20. I try to forget 2020 as often as I can. So, we’ll move on to twenty

Twenty1. By the way, that’s That is a one, two, three, MP50 wins in a row. Three P. 2021, he played 17 events. Man, you you played a lot of events. He scored two and eighty-three points. Did you win your division?

Hey, DB. Next time you’re at a poker game, let me know. I’m on in on it. Well, I’m starting to see a theme. I don’t think he’s ever lost it. Correct. He has never lost it. Since you’ve turned fifty, you have not lost

MPfifty. Yeah, I know. Crazy. Man, if only we had a guy that was 50 that could maybe change that. Db oil. Yeah, we’ll start with you. Darren, did you have enough points to win 40 MP40 in 2021? How many did he have? He had

Two hundred and eighty-three. Wow. You did. You did. Because I didn’t have that many and I won forty. Bazinga. Gotcha. Alright, last year, two and 2-2 points or excuse me, two hundred and eighty points, 17 events We already know that you won.

Would you have had enough to win MPforty? Three, two, one. You would have had enough. Okay? So, Ronnie, any idea who won 40 in 2022? Um Correct. I’ve also started a shriek, Mister Bottom. There you go. There you go. You skate

Down there for you. How old are you then? Fifty-six? Fifty-six. So, you’ve won six in a row. Alright? You’re currently 22 points behind Randy Mattingly. So, the streak is in some serious jeopardy. Yes, it is. Because mister Mattingly is on

A mission. He is playing a lot of tournaments. You’re going to have to do something here. The streak’s going to get broken. So, bonus question here. Got two of em. Darren, you get the first one. Since 2014, that my first year? Yeah. Since 2014.

How many KDJ events have you played? No calculators allowed. Oh man. 10 years basically. That obvious? Hundred and 18seven. Hundred and 18seven. Ronnie hierarchy. I’m going to say lower by a pinch. I was going to say one seventy. One fifty-three. Yeah.

150. A lot of tournaments. Isn’t that incredible? That’s a lot of turn away, gentlemen. 153 tournaments. It’s nuts, man. During those 153 tournaments, this one goes to you first, Ronald. How many Darren accumulated? Mm hmm. What was the question? How many

Points have you scored in those 10 years? Twenty-four and150. Higher or lower. God, you’re worse than Gerber at this game. Dang it. Kobe’s worse than Gerber. It’s higher. Gerber had a good guess. He scored three thousandfour hundred and eighty-three

Points. Oh, wow. Gerber was really close. He also has the document. No, he didn’t have this one. So, any who, that’s the end of the game. Ronnie wins. Again, he always wins. Uh yeah, I just I I win even when

I’m hosting. So. Would you have guessed played that many tournaments? Well, 3400, 3400 KDGA people you’ve beaten last ten years, Darren? Beaten or tied? That’s a lot. That’s a lot of people. That’s a lot of people. Ain’t that awesome? That’s pretty cool. That’s a

Good stat. I like that. Those can all be found on the KDJ website. You can just go to the points and toggle back the last 10 years and and see em. I probably could’ve dug into the form or into the archive of the

KJ Forum and found some other stuff but. Don’t do that. I’m going to need that for future months because I I that’s that’s where that’s where I try to get my treasure trove from. Yeah. There we go. So, any who

That was fun. Db appreciate you coming on with us, man. Thanks for having me. It’s just fun. Hey, bro. You know, Dennis Dennis was the one that said you should be next. So, and we do have the right to trump your

Trump your pick if we want to. But we thought it’d be kind of cool to Let the current guest pick who the next guest might be. Well, you’ve gone old the last couple. Dennis, me. I’d kind of like to hear how you

The young buck in my club, Tate. I’d like to see him come on to sing. We I call him, let me call him out. The the newest newest millennium-sponsored player. Mhm. Alright. We will reach out to Tate and see what he says. Hey, what’s up?

Danny’s playing DDO so he’ll have lots to say next month. Well, is he playing? He’s playing. He got in. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Then, that’s that’s super time. That’s cool. Yeah. I’d love to touch tape. Yeah, Tate’s cool kid. Great disc

Golfer. Mm hmm. Really good. Yup. So, yeah. That’d be a good one. Cool, man. Alright, dude. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Alright, dude. Appreciate it, buddy. Thanks,