Big Jerm shares his rare discs and talks disc golf history! | Catch

Brian Earhart hosts a new show where he interviews pro disc golfers on the practice field. Jeremy “Big Jerm” Koling joins Brian in episode 5 of Catch!

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What I am so delighted that this is happening right now I don’t even need to do anything he’s just he’s just going to throw Boomerang to himself I don’t have I’m going go get it before I Forget you got a mural made about you well I wouldn’t say it’s about me but it does feature me in a way uh and in in a crazy way so so the story behind this one Brian um is uh a couple years ago a friend of mine Darien Fleming uh

Contacted me out of the blue and he said hey uh are you friends with the ne Round Guys and of course I am so I said yeah just actually got a phone with him he said well I I had this crazy idea um Darion is a mural artist obviously and

He wanted to do dis Golf Art to kind of just bring art to the city of Charlotte which he already has art all over the city but he wanted to bring dis Golf Art to the city he said Charlotte needs that and what better place than the side of

Another round and so he had me be a liaison to get a hold of Joe and the crew and then they started working on it and uh Darion was gracious enough to offer this beautiful piece pro bono I I don’t know how cuz it’s like his job and

This took months um but yeah he he put a lot of thought and time into this and um he initially asked me if I felt okay with using my face and likeness and I told him absolutely not like Charlotte disl is way way bigger than anything that I’ve ever done people that brought

The courses here and managed the club and run tournaments and done all the hard work to make sure the courses are beautiful and make Charlotte what it is they deserve all the praise and stuff like that and so we initially or he initially ditched the the OG idea which

Was I don’t remember what it was and then they had some other Concepts and they’ve ran a couple ideas before they eventually landed on Julie’s backhand and my forehand it came back to me somehow and um I was okay with it as long as it wasn’t my face cuz I didn’t

Want that representation yeah he felt like juli and I had done a lot to bring awareness to Charlotte and put us Charlotte on the map in some ways because of our content we’ve done with Jes and I thought that was really kind of him to say that and so this is what

The the Beautiful final piece looks like this and it was all spray paint yeah it blows my mind you get up close and the details are more impressive the closer you get well well show me like as an artist what about this is like the most impressive thing to you well the lines

Are so good and the blending is just beautiful look at the shirt like look at the wrinkles in the shirt look at the belt darion’s the man this is like one of the coolest murals that I’ve ever seen yeah I mean it’s unbelievable because another round needs no intr

Uction anyone because they’ve really established themselves as one of the stores it’s now becoming a chain there’s I think three of them now and there’s going to be more I’m sure over time and this store has got a lot of popularity but bringing art to the side of it and

Really like putting dis Golf Art in Charlotte is just it’s it’s beautiful I know how much you love it here and I know that there’s so much history here for you even outside of dis golf I want you to take me to a park oh yeah I want

You to play Frisbee with me oh please and I want you to tell me some more stories about you and Charlotte is that is that okay it would be an honor Brian let’s go throw some pris man what a blessing Yeah I knew this was going to happen every time I play catch with germ it’s not just like a oh yeah this is a cool disc let’s throw it you get the Pro Shop all of these have stories all of these have like history to them like he has such a

Cooler collection than I have so I’m going to share some stuff with him but I have a feeling we’re going to hear about a lot of discs today we’re filming have been so how perfect you had a stint of ultimate in your time mhm yeah I mean very illustrious two- termic career y

But you but you called yourself an ultimate player you played yeah I mean I was I was into the culture I I I brought an ultimate I brought two frisbees with me and maybe one textbook in my backpack well we’re going to throw the ultimate disc that came before the ultimate disc

This is a wamo 80 mold in the uh high durability experimental plastic the HDX plastic these were ran I believe from 1977 to 83 and this is wh’s uh attempt to make a scratch resistant plastic and this is what was like the gold standard of ultimate it’s only 165 so when the

Ultra star came along to be the standard that people like the lower profile they like the 175 and then all the other iterations in the future like the 81 or 82 molds they just they kind of went by the wayside this is like the Last Frontier of like ultimate disc that whmo

Made that is so cool yeah well light Carolina blue is my color man so that this is perfect I didn’t know you only played two tournaments of ultimate yeah so um it was basically a thing where uh so I played for App State the the nomads

And um they had a team of really dedicated disc golf or U sorry ultimate frizzy players and they were meeting for practice about uh four nights a week two hours at practice and I had other interests like I played a lot of basketball in college and I still had

Aspirations of of taking my basketball like career somewhere and playing University level basketball and so like I couldn’t really commit myself to as much ultimate as far as the practices go to really warrant any playing time in tournaments yeah and uh i’ I’d show up

And I was the deep deep threat because I was pretty athletic and I could run fast and I could jump high and so I was I was definitely a threat in the tournaments but I never traveled for the team I just played in the local tournaments that

Came by and so that’s why I mean I don’t really have much of an in-depth uh tournament record but uh but I uh I definitely hung out with the team a lot you know I pared with them and they were my guys um but yeah didn’t play many tournaments just really

Loved Ultimate Frisbee though that just blew that just blew me away I I thought because of how good you were at throwing traditional frisbee I thought you were just like ultimate guy forever I was a freak I was a freak BR it went everywhere with me I played catch every

Day like every single day I would just be waiting for somebody that I recognize in any of the quads like hey let’s go I just sometimes I even just throw the frisbee at them and just hope that it would Peak their interest that’s actually kind of creepy because I did

The exact same thing and I would look through the syllabus of my courses and I would say how many can I miss and I would keep an ultra star uh in my in my backpack and if I saw one of my teammates or I saw other people playing

On the quad done yeah class is over totally yeah class is over man I mean that was the same with the pingpong balls like if I if I heard someone playing ping pong the in the uh the middle of the dorm I was gone it was no

Question like I I had zero Focus like I was in school for one reason to have a good time and not party but just have a good time yeah and so that eventually led to me being like Hey we’re going to Usher you out of this institution

Because you’re not here for the right reason well they ushered you out yeah well they were just kind about it they’re like hey yeah you’re not going to class uh and your grade point average is reflecting that uh so we’re not going to allow you to go to class anymore so

You won’t have to worry about missing classes anymore so so hang on so there’s a gap here that I don’t understand yes when did you get good at throwing traditional frisbee like did did ult start that all right so let’s go to the beginning then Brian um I grew up in a

Hippie household right and so when I was a we lad this frisbee which we throw this way quickly becomes a plate so when you go to rainbow gatherings and you’re hanging out with hippies and you’re in the in the the national forest and whatnot and there’s kitchens that are

Serving different meals in different places you got to bring a plate with you well yeah entertainment and a dinner plate all in one with the Frisbee so I grew up in a in an atmosphere where the Frisbee was was a a craft it was it actually had other meanings than just a

Flying object but when I wasn’t throwing I was sitting there watching the adults play and frisbe culture in the 80s and the early 90s when I was growing up was huge right and so this was like how people communicated and so there’s these big circles of 20 adults playing catch

And there I am as a kid watching this being like hey me too too me too this was a cool thing for me so I grew up loving the idea of flight and just not being like couldn’t wait until I could actually do it myself and I remember I

Do remember having a mean little thumber forehand can’t really do anymore but like when I was a kid that’s how I got the zip on it wow this thing flies great man the it’s kind of windy out here did so like did you have like mentors that

Would teach you how to throw oh God no what I don’t I mean my mom was had a short stin with this guy named David Alexander English who now paints uh in Venice Beach that’s what his job is he he lives out of his VW bus and he and he paints uh sacred

Geometry and he was the first person that I really remember having a a proper uh catch sesh with and that was in like 1993 and so I was like seven or eight at the time and that was when um I really play catch with somebody who who had

Like I’ll give him credit and say he had freestyle skills but he just knew how to do like cool shots you know like he could do different things other than just like Stand and Deliver and that was when the artistic like how you could throw these things was kind of

Introduced to me that being said I didn’t pick up disc golf or actual like proper frisbee ultimate until I was 18 years old as a senior in Myers Park High School and I played for the club team in high school oh and I took that frisbee love with me to

College but that’s really it man when I got out of school my sophomore year uh of college I came to Charlotte I had no idea what dis golf was and I found out that Charlotte was a bit of a Mecca and then I I started playing dis Golf and

And it just it brought back all of that childhood love for for flight for catch and and it just gave me something to do because school was out yeah you know I didn’t have school anymore so like what’s next and this disc golf thing just became

It we’ve been friends for a little bit I thought me introducing this this like OG like ultimate disc would like bring back these flooding ultimate memories but you played two tournaments two tournaments I totally didn’t realize that I didn’t like gave you that that detailed description before like my yeah it’s I

Say I played ultimate because I did yeah but I wasn’t like traveling around man I had my interests were spread out they were spread out and I just I couldn’t I couldn’t dedicate the time in college because I was so dedicated to my schoolwork you know yeah oh wait that’s

Not it basketball that’s what it was oh wait oh wait table tennis or just hanging out and doing whatever the thing that wasn’t focused on what I should be doing that’s why I didn’t have time for for Ultimate you have a gift for me I have a gift for you because I think I think there’s not many people that can truly appreciate this in the way that I think you can and this is before X Classic this is before any other stuff this is

Oh no OG comet this is this is when are you serious this is when discs were just discs they didn’t have a plastic name or anything like that this is like I don’t know if that has it 1996 1996 Comet so this is 1996 deago yeah that’s sick yeah

Oh my god dude thank you so much think of you I think of you is floaty control finesse game and that disc literally exudes floaty finesse dude thank you so much thank you man when you talked about the idea for running the show called catch with me you talked about it a long

Time ago I just was like you running you said hey let’s get like a a disc that’s special to you like a a unique oneoff rbe or something that might be unique I’m like bro I’ve got so many I’ve got like like you want to play catch with

Wendy’s bro you want to play catch with Wendy’s hamburgers or like SpongeBob obviously those are silly but like there’s stuff that’s kind of cool and unique here like this Nike frisbe that’s made with the womo fb15 and it’s actually made with uh recycled shoe rubber like this is stuff that you don’t

See out there like this is kind of random stuff put that on the ground put that next to the other stuff that’s so sick yeah we’ll have to we’ll have to play catch with that at some point but like I got this set of three um that all

Fit in one another this is the 1980 North American flying disc series and they all stack inside one another which I think is just terrific um I knew this was going to happen I I knew this segment was GNA was gonna you ever had

High SE before yeah I have too this is a 1979 World frisbee championships disc one of my favorite High one of my favorite stamps ever I love the stamp this this was one of those like I one day will have this disc when I saw it

Online and now one that is this day now that this is the day that I have that disc you know about this original regular frisbee still in the package never taken out I’m not playing catch with that today so don’t even don’t even think about it um anyways it’s just old

Collectible stuff but I think one of the more more unique discs I have in my collection is this golf disc the 44 mold this was apparently made by Victor malafronte pdj number 02 and I was told there’s not there’s no more than like 40 of these in the world so this right here

Is very special I have no recollection how I acquired this disc again we’re not playing not playing C of that one today but um yeah just the old midnight flyer and the old Discraft Sky oh my gosh dude don’t put your thumb through that you might break it if we’re playing

Catch you know what man there is nothing better I think than a good old M I think this is one of the best catch discs released in a long time just the lightweight Zephyr mold but you know what I also want to throw this Nike

Rubber so you want to go two yeah let’s do a couple what do you say this is what I expected playing catch with you I know I’m this is this is why I’m not in college still let’s go oh boy let’s come back to me that is

The gladious rubber I’ve ever seen holy moly let’s come back to me again tail and going to help that thing fly nice what are you doing oh boy I think dude this might be too much might be too much let’s see if we got a little floaty glidey oh

Boy so wait this is like Nike shoes Nike shoes bro that might be one of your old Nike shoes where did you get this dude I don’t know where I got any of this stuff what I mean some of that stuff has memories based on who I acquired it from

And some of it is just the cool stuff but the story behind it as like where it comes from not necessarily the person but you know I don’t know are you a history guy in general you like I don’t think I ever cared about history until I

Got older and then I started really caring about history and I think that maybe one of the things that got me interested in how things are all interconnected was through frisbee I wanted to know everything about every person that had anything to do with why

We were or where we were yeah so then tell talk to me about Charlotte disc golf like what what do you know about Charlotte dis Golf and like sure our first course was REI Creek I believe it went on the ground in 1989 and that was the first permanent

Course I should say the original course is l park and that’s oh boy that’s over in the Dilworth neighborhood and it’s a very popular walking neighborhood that has like steep embankments on either side so you kind of were going through this little tunnel and it’s actually a

Park that I used to play a lot of basketball in my high school days and anyhow um the parks had an agreement the parks had an agreement with the disc golf club that they could use lot of Park as a temporary course and it was actually used at the world championships in

1984 I believe nice um but they could use l park as a disc golf course until they had a permanent course so once re Creek went went in then l park got taken out then in ’92 or 91 kilborn Park went in that was the second disc golf course and then

From there on uh I believe you know like as far as Charlotte is concerned um like horn and Renaissance went in like 9697 and there was some other course that came in right before then uh but that was like really when this golf was really establishing itself uh in

Charlotte as like wow these courses here are different and for a long time the the um the well-known thing about Charlotte is we had the courses that was smooth bro we had the courses but we didn’t have the players because Raleigh had all the players really Justin Jernigan Jack scheld Walt Haney Larry

Leonard uh Brian schweber like those guys they had the talent we had the courses and uh you know we eventually we didn’t like that so much because we wanted the courses and the players and I think that now we’ve got like five or six guys from Charlotte on tour and uh

We’ definitely solidified ourselves as as having a lot of talent down here why why do you think that is why do you think like Charlotte is just churning out so many good players if it’s so wooded and so many of the courses on tour are so

Long you know I I think it’s just because the courses themselves are engaging and it doesn’t necessarily have to be a shot that you throw in tour if disc golf is fun and you’re drawn into it and you have a connection with the sport and you just fall in love with it

I think that’ll take you to other places and that’s what it did for me and I think it’s what it’s done for a lot of other players from this area is that it’s it’s got us hooked we’re in love with this thing and we want to know more

About it and so we go and play all all all these other places and then we learn how to throw downhill shots we learned how to throw over the water we learned how to throw big open shots and stuff like that so that’s what it did for me

Um but on top of that charlott’s hosted several World Championships we hosted uh the 1997 World Championships Ken clo won that one Stan McDaniel the guy that’s responsible for most of the course designed from here uh won Masters that year uh one of three Masters World titles that he’s won um and that’s

Smooth again sick yeah so then we hosted the pro World Championships it was actually proam first tournament ever to host over a thousand people in 2012 that was where pal MC Beth won his first world title um and that’s where Sarah hok won her uh first world title or her

Only World title and um then the amateur worlds in 2018 so we’ve we’ve hosted a lot of Worlds but also just a a ton of events down here and I think it was it was nice when another round came around and really solidified an actual like big presence this golf store not that

Charlotte like didn’t have the big presence nationally but like them coming up also I thought I thought was a pretty cool thing um especially with their uh social media presence and the entertainment that Joe brings with all the Aces and all that I think it’s just charlott just a well

Oiled machine for dis golf like I haven’t even look dude I’ve been playing disc golf for 17 years I haven’t even played all the courses in sh yeah I know yeah I haven’t even played all the courses in my hometown because there’s so many of them and it’s just like it

It’s hard to keep up with because there’s courses going in all the time like this one Veterans Park this used to be a little six hleer I think it might have been a nine hole at one point but when I started playing I think it just had six holes left

Wow that was sick yes that was sick that was so cool that was so good sorry I like spaced out no dud I mean I I I got spaced out bro that was nasty wow that was cool that was so many I haven’t even done any cool shots I’m

Just like watching you do all the cool stuff this is sick but this was like a this was a course where I would come um because it was actually pretty close to where I was living at the time to just get some night practice cuz down at the

Bottom of the hill there there was a basket right by the road and there was a street light so I could actually get disc golf when all the disc golf was done I would drive to the side of the street here and I’d putt at night sick

And you know I I was just a freak and that wasn’t like a common thing at that time I think people probably do that a lot but this is before I had a basket and I and I just couldn’t get enough of it I got one more disc that I want to

Introduce to you I have one more surprise bring it let’s go and we and we’ll wrap this ba this baby up all right let’s do it first off thank you so much for the comment of course man it is like the one golf disc that I will like collect we

Talk so much about like playing catch playing with just like toy Frisbees and playing golf for fun like you talk about all these fun things that you’ve been doing but then stuff got serious for you like you started to have success you committed your whole life to the game

And then you got like a job as a disc golfer yes I did to segue into this conversation cuz I want to get into like the seriousness side of the game okay I have one last disc which is not that serious but it’s a really cool disc this

Was gifted to me by uh Arthur codington from California oh cool uh he comes to OTB every year he’s a Hall of Fame freestyler he’s just an incredible Steward of Frisbee and disc golf and just is so supportive of the community this to my knowledge this whammo 160 G freestyle disc was the

Final tour series disc stamped on a catch disc this is like the last ever catch that was made as a tour Series so this is a triple Tour series disc Arthur and his two partners Dave Lewis and Dave Murphy won I believe 97 98 99 for this the co-op world championships for

Freestyle wh did a commemorative disc for them which was a paid disc like they got paid for this disc I want you to look at the packaging on the back wow oh I can’t wait because this to me captures your essence as a person but Dave Lewis said it I want you

To read the the top quote from Dave us out loud like that’s how much I love these old frisbee players whether it’s dis golf ultimate like free style they don’t care about money they like love what they’re doing so much I want you to read

That quote out I happily will I just had to get through it once because I don’t know if I could read it cleanly on the spot here we go Dave Lewis pulling off a twisto juice to an Oliver pool to a triple spinning guy this really gets me fired up

Pulling off a twisto juice to an Oliver pool to a triple spinning guus really gets me fired up and you know what JM that speaks to me yeah on many levels first off I know you love packaging I know you love art I know you love history this is a piece of History

Because now all the Tour series discs are golf discs and it took you a while to get that first big time Tour series disc will you unpackage Arthur’s Tour series disc and then talk to me about deal history of your sure yeah so starting playing uh uh

Dis golf in Charlotte uh we’re really close to Rock Hill South Carolina a short 30-minute Drive Away um oh nice I think’s crisp the Charlotte disc golf club was like essentially all Innova so when it came down to getting discs from like amateur events or just going to the

Local stores that sold anything it was all inov which meant everything that I saw was K clo or Barry Schultz right everything like all the great discs had either those two names on them and so like to me that was like the ultimate goal is to

Maybe one day do so well at this thing that um you could be recognized and honored with a uh a signature disc um but you know good luck getting these guys names off the disc CU they’re the best in the world I wanted to you know my my very first goal in the

Sport before I even started playing disc golf like in tournaments my very first goal is this is going to sound crazy and I haven’t told many people this and I definitely have never said this on camera before my very first goal in the sport I didn’t even know it existed but

I wanted to be in the Disc Golf Hall of Fame if it existed like after three or four rounds of playing disc golf I was like this is it bro I’m in you said you wanted to be in the Hall of Fame Disc Golf Hall of Fame if there is one I want

It that’s what I wanted and so my ambition was great from the start and I didn’t know like how could I know I didn’t I didn’t know where I stacked up I just knew that I wanted to do this for the rest of my life yeah you know

When you do enough in the sport and and at the time all all the only way that you got your name on a disc was winning a world title which kind of at a certain point seemed a bit archaic you get one tourament a year and there’s only like

One or two guys that are winning this thing like that’s the only way I can get my name on the disc like doesn’t seem very likely yeah but then you know like they eventually uh that was really good effort they eventually kind of uh I think they opened the floodgates for

Signature discs going to different types of Majors when the Tour series program was introduced in by Inova in 2015 and when they did that they they were seeing that these names Paul MC Beth Nate ston so on so forth when their names were on a disc these discs sold

Well and so it was a catalyst like you know obviously you could save this same thing about uh King climo but could you because he had the champ Firebird he had the star wraith he had the KC Rock he had the kcr like those are the best discs available of course they’re going

To sell it’s the best thing you could possibly buy yeah so how do we really know if a disc is going to sell with a name on it unless we put Paul MC best name on a Myster yeah which they did and it sold you know what I’m saying so like

Yeah that really opened up in of his eyes as to like okay maybe we can put uh uh maybe we can award these players this this Grand gesture this honor of putting their name um on a disc for something other than a world title and so they they started with

Putting Nate on the Excalibur and then the next off season I just said hey like I really like the abx3 like I think I might like it more than anyone else in the world and I’ve won the US dgc just like Nate do you think maybe

And and they called me back the next day and they said you know you asked for the right disc yeah and the answer is yes and so um that’s uh that’s what happened and and and when I got that call the next day after asking I uh it it’s like this

Crazy thing because the the difference that you get from a tour series with a signature is like night and day I don’t even know like we’re talking pennies to a dollar essentially in a in a way but I don’t know if I’ve ever been more excited about any sort of new news in

Disc golf than getting that call that day saying your name’s going to be on your favorite disc did you did you ever like when you first started getting anything like whether it was that disc the Thunderbird like more sponsors did you ever feel extra pressure did it ever

Start to feel like oh wow now it’s no longer just for me like it’s about all these other people now too uh uh initially no actually initially no cuz I was very comfortable in my place in the sport and I was still very determined and I think before Joe days when I

Didn’t have uh a side income disc golf was it and I was very focused in on it and so like when I went into my first year with Inova I just came off of winning the uscgc and um I was ready to prove myself with a new brand I don’t

Think I started feeling pressure until the critics started talking about you know he’s done and all that and then I I felt this pressure to shut them up because I was sick and tired of people saying that you know just because I hadn’t won a tournament in in a few

Months like people are saying that he was a never was not even a has been he was a never was and it’s like dude what do you mean yeah like what are you talking about like how many how many tour events and how many majors does a

Guy have to win before he’s given some respect in this game like I mean I I don’t have to prove myself to the haters and the naysayers and all that but it it it hurts seeing those kind of comments coming in through YouTube channels and stuff like that because it’s like dude

Like you clearly either don’t know or or I did something really upset you a long time ago and uh and I think that you know certain point you start believing that you’re not you’re not it anymore and then at that point you know I think there is some extra pressure to like

Prove to yourself like dude I can still throw the disc as far as I could when I was 28 and I’m 38 now and I’m actually more accurate in many ways my back hand’s way better my putts more consistent yet my placement is down in the 30s because the competition’s all

Gotten better so what do you do well what I think you just appreciate the the opportunity that my career has brought me to be in this position where I can enjoy going on the road I can still play tournaments and get my endorphins out that way yeah and then I can also

Compete as much as I possibly can I can and you know just be happy with that and if I if I if I like shock the world but not Shock myself and I get top 10 or if I’m even in the mix of the tournament then great but if I’m not like guess

What I still have a a really amazing job working with JZ and with the disc golf Network and like that to me is like you know we’re we’re good we’ve done it m like I’ve I’ve I’ve had such an amazing career and I don’t have to be a top 10

Guy anymore yeah as amazing as that feels and as as as much validation as that brings me in a way to say like hey dude watch out gon I still got you those days maybe have come and gone yeah yeah yeah but but when you do when you do put

It all together for one tournament and you do beat those guys who are just whooping your tail all the other weeks feels good feels pretty good yeah so we talked a little bit about me being into design one of my things that I like to do in the offseason is do graphic design

Logos so on so forth I just got to get my creative juices out so I got into 3D printing a couple years ago and um last year I wanted to print out a disc and see if I could and see how it Fly and I

Tried to get my AVR three as close as possible and I came up with this mold here and uh it’s pretty dang close it’s pretty dang close the first one I printed was pla which is very stiff very rigid and on its maiden voyage literally taking off the plate taking it to the

Course this thing literally printed overnight morning of grab it come out here first flight from this teapad to that basket shot goes in disc breaks on impact and there’s a guy down there at the bottom of the hill actually that basket and he said did you just ace and

I said yeah and he’s like I just aced that basket 10 minutes ago and then he’s like that’s awesome he looks up he’s like is that big germ and I’m like yeah and he like runs up the hill and there’s this cool moment and like anyways so I

Figured we’d uh we end the segment maybe we’ll try to Ace it again with this disc that won’t break hopefully go for it let’s go man I did that one backhand this thing’s a little Beaker so I think I’m going to go forehand that is a beepy boy not even close that

Is a beepy boy J yeah hey thanks bud R dude I’m so happy we finally made this happen I’m glad we’re doing it here in Charlotte it feels right you want to do it again sometime I would love to man okay we’ve talked about this before

There are bad days in disc golf there are bad days in Ultimate I have not once yet Had a Bad Day playing catch I agree it’s the greatest frisbee sport in the world as far as I’m concern thanks for having man night good night yeah man

Unreal coming up next on catch the man the myth the legend James Conrad joins me for a game of long toss and an in-depth discussion about juggling we’ll see you then Moment of Truth you have such a beautiful sidearm James are you ever going to throw more driver sidearms like off the tea