Tyler joins the show to recap a crazy weekend in D1 wrestling.
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(0:00) fun and easy banter
(3:45) Michigan – Ohio State
(40:23) Oklahoma State’s weekend vs Iowa State & UNI
(52:50) Missouri – Cornell
(1:18:18) Penn State – Maryland
(1:26:09) Jax Forrest beats #1 Luke Stannich
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Oh what’s going on everybody Welcome to episode 995 of FL wrestling radio live I am your host Christian piles joined today for episode number two in our new studio James Dean Raider to my right looking good and calling him from the Frozen north of Wisconsin he’s got
The he’s got the short sleeved hoodie look Ben funky asome I wear this like every day now and my wife gets mad at me for wearing it every day and I tell her what are you do about it nothing I’m going to keep wearing it every day why
Doesn’t she like it did your biceps detonate the rest of the sleeve I don’t know uh coach Wagner up in Green Bay he’s our fashion Guru so you know when we do the orders he’s the one who kind of picks what we’re getting and he picked these and I love it I prer
The SE cut off Hoodie all the way sleeveless JD is what you want yeah yeah yeah or like right at the shoulder that’s the I like this one it’s comfy it makes me happy so I throw it on a lot like Bill bellich kind of look yeah been here a
Few years from your bellich era you got to get way crankier he’s cranky I don’t watch football so you know I miss all the references when you guys say this stuff well hey you say that but it was last week where you corrected me on uh who
Luke fickle was and I didn’t that he was the listen he was also a wrestler I don’t know if you know this I do he wrestled someone I think really good in this state finals or something I think he did I think you’re right did he wrestle
Tommy no he’s older their buddies is but he’s older than Tommy by a handful of years I think yeah I think you’re right anyway but hey we also have another friend here sitting at the bar this time we’re moving this position round but this is Tyler minger coolest guy at flow
Sports according to uh well a few I think everyone pretty much everyone but I no there’s this there’s this crazy why is he on the show he’s gonna be crying today seon seon cries every day I don’t I don’t know no he said why is he on the
Show oh why is he on the show cause Tyler um Tyler’s gonna be crying I forgot that we were gonna be talking about that Friday duel I might have rejected oh cryan Tyler is here well yeah he has to answer for for Michigan uh no actually it’s because Ally was
Gonna be on the show and last night he’s like yo I can’t I’m really sorry and so I brought on Tyler you couldn’t have just lied and said plan a I I’m not very Al’s been on the show because I couldn’t make it all the other times all the
Other times including before you worked here yeah which is crazy but yeah no so we’re we’re happy to have Tyler on um he’s my main Nemesis here at flow Sports and so I think you guys are going to appreciate that tension but yeah should we start with the man there there were a
Lot of both great dual meets but also some really interesting individual matchups another high schooler beat a number one ranked wrestler in America the second time this year um you know everyone always like hey let the D2 and D3 guys into nca’s no let’s just let Jax
Forest and Marcus blaze in at 125 let’s see what happens I think that would be let them be the 33 and 32 seed wrestling a pigtail that would be way cooler but Ben what’s top of your mind after this weekend of wrestling well I mean yeah
Dual meets I had we had a sad dual me for missou fans also because we lost to Cornell and that was no good um so I I think we talk about either the Cornell missou duel or the Ohio State Michigan duel both those were awesome fun duels
With a lot to talk about all right let’s start why don’t we go just chronologically because that just kind of makes sense and I don’t want to start uh the show on a bitter note for you Ben I’d rather start on a bitter note for Tyler because Ohio State at the buzzer
Nick Felman has now done this three times this year against Hunter kka against Lis Fernandez and now against Lucas Davidson digs deep in the third period it looks like he’s going to lose and he figures out a way to win but let’s go back before we get to the
Feldman match it looked like Michigan was gonna kick Ohio State’s NEX in for for two hours straight Ste rolling they were crushing um we talked mean we can JD can refer to the picks but we had the deagostino mcon match and I don’t remember what the line was but it was
Certainly a decision and he comes out and text him no problem uh and that set quite a tone for for the match yeah the line was two and a half two and a half and he got a tech so that was a cover for Di austino you got that one wrong CP
Well since you bring it up since you bring it up since you want to get chippy already this morning after all his boasting he lost this week now it doesn’t mean I lost by one pick after nine weeks this good weekend for the house it’s a good weekend for the house
Yeah it was it was a rough week we took some we took some El but you know what I’m just I’m thrilled to get back in the wind colum and this is it doesn’t take but one little thing it just takes a spark of inspiration for me to have some belief and belief
Can turn into something very powerful Ben so I’m going to run you down possibly there’s something about you guys in this fancy Studio crossing your legs acting all hoyy toyy this makes me angry want to fight you guys look at the both of you this makes me hostile just
Want to start getting throwing daggers how many of us would it take to beat up Ben um Tyler helps Tyler help I think with three of us we got you I three of us could do it dang it 100% three of us could beat you up all right that’s not exactly a
Flex mcro mcon uh mcon he puts himself in some really unnecessary positions I don’t know if you guys realize that that one way tried like I don’t even know what he was trying to do jump back over the top at dieago stino right to his back you guys know what I’m talking
About that was like what is even happening right now yeah he’s a freshman and uh you get some of that I guess he’ll he’ll learn but then ragis he kind of had everything he wanted with with bakis and this was another one where I forget what we had for the line ragon
Four and a half point point and a half or four and a half four and a half four and a half so he covered that easily dominant wi we all we all got that one wrong actually and I I thought buaka was going to be more competitive buaka his
Best POS on this one did you guys realize buaka his best position in this match was actually bottom he scored two reversals one of which he almost had back points off of the first one um and rasan just kind of killed him on his feet which I did not see that one coming
At all I thought he would be competitive on on his feet and then rason would just uh you know he would struggle on bottom which is somewh he struggled on bottom a lot this year raggon loves giving up reversals oh really really I did not realize this in that match he was giving
Up decent amount of reversals but it to me it felt like Dylan’s like lateral motion was just way faster than um yeah buak bakis he kept gohing him yeah yeah he he did look way faster um yeah bzach is just very explosive and Powerful underneath there I think it almost like
I don’t know say that but um yeah he’s he’s a he’s explosive underneath there so okay after 33 Tyler minger check in how we feeling about the boys in blue yeah at this point I’m like wow this is great okay this D’s awesome and then Jesse Mendes just walks out takes the
Stage and gets his hand raised at which point we like what is happening a for at 141 did no one know about this because it felt like no one knew about this no one knew about it because he got flagged at skin checks and Big 10 Rule and I is that you can
Only travel with 13 guys is that right yeah what that when I was in college that was the r 13 13 wrestlers so you really have to guess where I mean and obviously 65 they brought somebody can’t you just bring someone else and say like they’re a workout
Dummy that that’s yeah they usually use it on guys who need Partners right that that AR yeah like you bring a heavyweight you bring you bring guys that need Partners who you don’t have someone in the lineup that they can practice with yeah that’s it’s a we it’s
Such a weird rule like I don’t know what what other sport like basketball you can’t you don’t travel with just like three extra starters you just get to bring the team it’s like no one thinks you should bring 40 guys but like I don’t know 20 15 yeah so seems like you
Should be able to have a backup at each quote position un yeah because it’s very reasonable that someone well one some of the times they’re weekend trips and you’re gone so a guy gets hurt in one weekend and then it’s like all right well I brought one 141 pounder and he
Got hurt this week like that’s a very reasonable thing to happen having only three backups makes makes no sense is it travel are you guys sure on this okay listen I’m not gonna I I I didn’t do an official count but Nebraska stopped and worked out um at my place on Saturday
From on their way from Northwestern into Madison and I didn’t do an official count but I there there sure seems like there was more than 13 I don’t know that to be true or not because I don’t want to get him in trouble well sounds you
Already did no I didn’t I don’t know I don’t know how many it just seemed like there was a lot of them yeah well I yeah I don’t know what the what the rule is or officially but I’ve been told it’s 13 everyone pirate listen if pirate doesn’t
Know the rule Nobody Knows the rule the rule isn’t real okay and the pirate says it’s you could call him like a manager or a video guy for the weekend for sure that that’s true yeah I’m sure you would find all those loopholes regardless the rule is
13 and yeah they didn’t have a backup that’s why they didn’t have anybody yep and they didn’t have a backup crazy so that’s okay even then even then they forfeit there and you’re like oh wow that’s kind of you know kind of figured they were probably going to lose that
One anyways and then Gomez comes out and smashes and you’re like oh okay is is Austin Gomez now your picked to an NCA does he the favorite rich and Caleb are probably I’m not no I’m putting him in the tier one without without a doubt he looks he’s
Tier one yeah he looks good enough to win a title no no one is getting that uh I don’t think anyone at 49 is going to get that strong of a well no no no I’m not saying he separated himself but I’m saying like has to be pick you say he
Has to be the favorite Ben no no no I’m saying I’m saying there has to be a favorite you can’t say one it’s like you know even if one guy’s 32% one guy’s 31% one of the people is still the favorite yeah well who do you think the favorite
Is I think it’s probably him or Ridge I think Austin wow just based off of how he’s looked um he matches up pretty decent against Ridge um I think so which did they wrestle Big 10 he beat him that’s what I thought that’s what I thought
Yeah yeah um so I actually think maybe Caleb Henson could give him a little bit more fits 100% I so getting that one seed could be very important dude I don’t know he looks really he looked really good didn’t he he looked really good he looked I mean Dylan demilio and
We didn’t say his name yet but Dylan demilio’s All-American really really tough um and he was all over him he looked so athle he looked fast to the leg he looks healthy which has been a concern in in previous Seasons so it it I think it’s like Henson I think is a
Decent match up for Gomez I think Gomez matches up well with Ridge and ridge already has a win over Henson so I’m not saying it’s going to play out that way but I think each guy has their own potential position of advantage against the other so that’s that’s kind
Of what I’m how I see it um um yeah I suppose I’ll go rid Ridge one uh Gomez 2 uh at this point in time but they are I mean he has beaten Ridge in the past I believe two years ago yeah so they’re close they’re really close for
Sure and so then you’re like okay just Michigan is just on one this uh this for this duel they just look fantastic 57 lean gets the job done in in dude what he’s so boring it was a terrible match covered he was that an overtime cover yeah it
Was it was the exact yeah that should not be a cover guys this what I was trying to tell you last week shouldn’t be a cover should not be a cover you know what’s funny we’re wa as we’re watching watching The Duel with Caleb and he’s like the takeown should be one
In overtime you shouldn’t get to win by three it’s like he was already had heard our conversation was like yeah yeah craziest one is the craziest one is and I think this might happen to Jack’s Forest but no malany had one in overtime against um the Army kit but it must have
Been to his back he said it said 92 and I’m like oh whooped him and then said sudden Victory wait 92 sudden Victory is so crazy you can almost get a major I suppose if you got a penalty point taken out of the back you get a major in
Overtime if I’m going to my back in overtime I am going to give up a penalty point too it’s going to be dirtying the head technically you can get a pin in overtime too get the most team points yeah I’m cool with it so yeah Will Will
Wins um will will Cox was right there though that was actually double overtime that wasn’t even regular over that was double overtime he got an escape and a taked down in the 30 second window which is crazy yeah because he was about to lose right he was in trouble and then
He’s like all right let me score and he immediately scored that has to be something that has just like Shan just punching the air or maybe Tyler I don’t know the thing the thing with Will is um I feel like he can get he can escape
Super fast at NCAA two years ago he needed an escape with one second to win a match in like the second round and he did it like he has a really good sit out so in Ultimate TI Breakers you usually favor him but then Willcox was able to
Get out in 4 seconds yeah so that’s where will turned it on and got the take down he did man and unacceptable his his behavior is unacceptable to stand around and not go for takedowns dude if I was his coach I would be like whatever he’s probably a likable
Person I like you I’m just not coaching anymore because you just don’t do nothing so I’m just gonna stand here and sit here and do nothing here’s the thing though outside of Ben like we can all critique but he’s pretty good at what he does yeah it’s like do something about
He wins both doing nothing listen it’s a style Ben hates winners yeah yeah what is it against what do you have against winning what did what place did he take in nca’s last year eighth eighth sounds like three losses to me sounds like an all American to me yeah
SS like a two-time in place winner yeah two time going for his third maybe if he shot some more he’d climb that Podium a few steps higher yeah may maybe maybe it would go worse did you ever think about that what that’s a Poss possib it could go
Worse it actually probably will go worse for a little bit of time before you start Dev when you develop new skills it does go downhill for a little bit which is why I know most people like struggle to develop new skills once they’re already kind of skillful because they
Don’t want to take that painful little down to go back up uh so that is why people stop well I’ll say it’s too late he just needs it’s probably too late you’re probably right he needs to commit to the commit fully which I believe he has 65
Bowman oh my gosh he is so fun I thought he had it but then Bryce hner went and got it late 1210 Thriller that got Ohio State injected some much needed life after losing every match in the duel essentially I thought it was still a good showing from Bowman yeah uh but at
The same time it’s like if you’re Michigan you’re thinking if we put out a mean and he wins you win the duel yeah I don’t know if I mean I listen I don’t I don’t know if I mean when that match he h a rough patch this
Season uh but historically he he’s I know he lost but he’s probably the favorite there I made him the favorite in the line so I mean Bowman he was up seven points you just got to finish the match you know he was yeah what were your thoughts on that on that bout and
Bose’s performance Ben yeah I mean after we T we talked about cam Amin last week where he wasn’t maybe wasn’t 100% healthy um and his lack of results and uh man but this feels like a duel and maybe they thought by the time they got up by this much they didn’t need him
Anymore that they were good and I mean I think probably most people thought they were that thought this result wasn’t going to happen but yeah they could have used him uh fun from Bowman but he’s got to close that one out does he look a little small do you think Tyler is is
The thought that he’s a a 65 long term or could he go down uh no term I I was bringing that up to uh the guys while we were in Michigan cuz I don’t know visually cam looks small to me but um like at least same size to as
Will but talking to the people that he lifts with they said he’s way bigger so some of those dense guys you can’t really tell uh but but Bowman is a is a 65 long term is your thought maybe 74 yeah dang he still looks like a boy yeah significant weight cutting this
Is not it’s not effective in college wrestling if you got to get off the scale an hour later and you’re cutting a lot of weight it’s going to be long-term detrimental it’s two hours now it’s two hours now so you should cut I mean you
Get twice as much time so you should cut twice as much weight just by the math shut up safely math I’m sorry guess he wasn’t a math major at Missouri all right I saw I saw your Tweet on this one Christian piles what was it auto bottom
Wrong choice oh my gosh I agree totally I don’t know what they were doing there I would what do you think Michigan was just praying to the Lord above that that Roco West was going to say in that third period the last thing they want is that
Dude coming at him uh on his feet another two minutes he was all over him he got a stall point I I don’t understand it and listen do you know nothing of Shane Griffith’s skill set and I don’t care how confident you are in rocco underneath there it’s like this
Guy’s a he is a different pedigree from the top position and it it and more than anything that’s his opportunity to win that’s his chance you’re already you’re tied you’re tied right now you don’t if it was if you’re down one it’s like okay I I guess I understand yeah I don’t know
If it had been right but you’re tied you don’t have to go out you’re winning the hand fight like what’s more likely that Shane Griffith is going to be feeling better at the end of the match or or Worse on his feet with the way you’re
Pressuring and he took bottom and he was honestly never really that close to getting away either and I listen I’m not picking Ohio State I’m not picking on anyone I just think it’s bad tactics I don’t understand it you I would not ever understand him going under Shane
Griffith in that situation and it’s not Monday morning quarterbacking I’ve been talking about this a long time and it didn’t make sense then and they put him under there and it very nearly lost him the duel yeah I I I agree there was another I mean honestly Feldman at heavyweight
Also so why is he going on bottom didn’t make sense um you know he he did get the stall point which I actually disagreed with um but yeah I don’t know why these guys feel need to go to bottom especially the new scoring system with a three-point takedown bottom and top are
Semi devalued and so if you are not great on bottom I don’t understand why you’re going down there it just doesn’t make sense dang but Tyler from a value perspective it doesn’t make sense the the one point doesn’t make sense it’s a point one point I I the and to Shane Sparks
It’s hard to get off bottom do you know how hard it is Christian piles it’s hard to get off bottom yes and griffith is really good there and yes listen Roco Welsh is a beast and at ncaas I don’t know how that match goes it could it could go differently
But right there Shane Griffith is definitely licking his chops when when when Rocco goes underneath there so I that was a surprising move uh and I think it cost Rocco a really big win I’m not ready to say Shane Griffith wouldn’t have gotten a takedown in the third
Period I know wellsh had the advantage but well that Shane Griffith I think also um has a bit of that kind of winner in him kind of that that gamer dog in him that dog in him some would say so I’m not ready to say going I’m ready to
Say going to choosing bottomless bad tactics I’m not ready to say it cost him the match yet uh okay I will say I don’t disagree that it’s possible that Shane Griffith gets a takeown he’s a national champion but we had four minutes of information that said it was not a great
Matchup and that was your true freshman’s Advantage he had an advantage there’s no way you leave that four minutes and say Rocco does not have an advantage on the feet and they left their position of advantage to go into at at best unknown at best you don’t
Know you don’t know if he can get away but at worst is what what we saw happen that’s my point it might have been Michigan goggles for me but to I only remember Shane getting in on Rocco’s legs I don’t remember Rock I remember Rocco having really good pressure yes
And maybe feeling like he was suffocating Shane a little bit but I don’t remember him ever getting to a leg do you yes well he’s not a super good leg attacker uh he does have a decent was it post High crotch to the his left side I think I’m right on that
One um but he does not shoot a lot but his pressure is very strong his go behind is very strong and he has really solid solid defense yes yes agreed but at the end of it I would love to see that match again at Big 10s I thought it
Was you know good match great probably will right yeah you would think I mean 74 man and we can what do you make of we all got Kennedy wrong Ruth that’s right where I was going to go y’ an apology I made it a pick them and you poo pooed
That a little bit I’m going to be the bigger man here I’m going to be the bigger man here and absolutely not apologize for that we were wrong that being said that being said I I did take Ed Ruth too and yeah that’s why uh yeah we were way wrong on
This uh I I thought I just been impressed with Kennedy this year so far I’m I’m now I’m very impressed with with the job he had a rough start I’m trying to remember who do you wrestle in the beginning that we were like well the guy match was crazy is that
It it’s the one where he gassed but you know the the background there was he had a I don’t know if his knee got scoped or he’s coming off of an injury and had had very little mat time and now I mean we saw him Gass for the first I’ve never seen Patrick
Kennedy Gass and he gassed against gon he still won but yeah he hadn’t go ahead he got killed by Nico incanta right afterwards also got Majed that was it that’s crazy so but now it’s pretty clear that Iowa is not use Gabe Arnold at least at 174 as a starter um
They may I think he has two more du he could use Gabe Arnold and well I think it’s shown to Gabe might at this point might be a slight jump up but it’s no longer the significant jump we thought it was going to be at the beginning of
The year I still think Gabe Arnolds probably does better at ncca’s than Patrick Kennedy at once 74 oh yeah for sure but also at this point now you’re given a guy who’s been in your Rost on your roster uh what four four years five years um you’re you’re giving him kind
Of his due and you get gave a a you can get him a full competition year under his spell before going into big 10s and ncas well and I mean the other thing for for Gabe Arnold is and I don’t know why people don’t like to look at this to me
It’s annoying because I’ve brought this up with some of my athletes and they’ve also ignored me but it’s like uh staki is probably gonna be done most likely makai’s done Shane’s done mako’s done lenx wock done kigo done Adam Kemp done like all these guys are done you
Get to the top 10 you’re like oh it’s gonna be K DeVos and Ed Ruth back yeah like it gets a lot easier why not just wait the year that’s why Keegan’s moving up he’s heing everyone that might not get easier he hates tough matches he doesn’t like it that’s why he’s
Wrestling 65 well I mean I I’ll tell you Keegan but year wasn’t now was it it was one of the years I’m like dude you just should red shirt because he had it so he wrestled the first year because it was the free year and then I think it was
The year after that I’m like why don’t you use red shirt part of it is like I know you’re G to get better like you you’re just getting better at such a rapid rate and then it was like I don’t recall it was like two or three TP
People were going to graduate that year you know so it’s was like hey what’s the hurry why don’t you just red shirt and then you know and he said nah I don’t want to want to wrestle and he won so good on him I guess right good on him
Yeah absolutely yeah okay so all we’re we’re cruising through this match Ryder rotski looks he looked really oh my God he looked so good but then I was like man he might be a thing and then I looked up his wrestle stat and I was alarmed did space mountainer Oh My he’s
Space Mountain he is absolutely Space Mountain yeah he’s been Space Mountain yeah High School career freaking Conor Mir Sola got up 9 Z on him at we did the AWA Pinnacle du last year and Conor got up N9 Z bro and got stepped over the gut
Wrench and got pinned d g it all right this is we need to check in very dangerous from bottom I want to check in check in with Tyler on this because Tyler was was very uh up I say upset he has words about how 84 played out Tyler
Well it they Big 10 played a replay of what happened on the first takedown that rotski got uh Jaden was in on a leg and while rotski was defending he accidentally I don’t think it was on purpose at all but Els like you might think it was elow Jaden straight in the
Back of the head and it obviously shook Jaden like back of the head hits no joke um and then they still gave him the takedown and then also let him have choice so I just felt like that was not like a not a great start to the match obviously getting getting quasi concuss
Taken down and giving up Choice that’s not how they drew it up I I kind of am with you on the one perspective well the injury happened before the takedown so don’t give him the takedown But ultimately I’m not sure it’s it’s hard to say it would have gone
Differently because we don’t know but they that is weird right though when it goes when you go take down an injury because then it’s you can get an escape and a takedown be up seven nothing like that yes and that and RI is the last
Person you want to be in a hole against because he’ll exploit the hell out of you obviously yeah as we don’t swear on the show sorry what the heck broes he looks okay um so rotski smashes and you’re like okay this is kind of happening and now it’s uh Luke on can we
Stay stay on rotski for one second yeah well because Trax had a very close match with Jaden Bullock last week I mean it was very comp we’re talking about did bullet get the Tak down were they out of bounds and now rotski comes in and does
This and I did the same thing I’m like I don’t think he’s had that good year but I’m going to go check on Wrestle stat just like you did and he’s got smashed by some dudes smashed so it’s like what do you do if you’re Ohio State do you
Use do they have one more time can they use him against Trux this weekend I think he’s better than shoemate is Hoffman just gone do you start rotski just fully like what do you do there I would I would use him I think he’s
A I mean well one I do think he’s their best guy at 84 um even Hopman may be out anyways just for for injury but just based on what we’ve seen it it feels like at least with rosi you’ve got a you got a dice roll with him that he could
He could be some good guys um yes which we were shooting dice this weekend me JD Tyler we were up at alli’s we were shooting dice for for a while money yeah yeah JD was actually was the big winner was the big winner I think I upended SP at well he won the
The Royal Rumble yeah he won the Royal Rumble too um this it was quite a scene Ben you should have been there but anyway I think you go with the dice roll of rotski over over shoemate or you know Hoffman’s not happened to Hoffman is he just done not wrestling like what’s the
Deal injured oh he’s done James knows we got word that he’s done okay so you go rotski in my opinion but maybe if you can preserve the decision before Big T like use them in another duel or so I think that makes sense well this weekend Penn State
Friday night baby I think you should use them use them yeah hey that venue they have is so great for duels I love I love what’s happening in wrestling where it’s um these I don’t know we’ll say between four and 7,000 seat venues that just get really packed and full of excitement yes
I freaking love them I completely agree it’s so cool it’s a really yeah Cavell Center is definitely one of the the the sweetest best I mean kind of Penn State sort of got it start I I’m not g to say they had people starting thinking about smaller venues super intense and loud
But um everyone is trying to replicate that atmosphere and yes I thought it was it man when he got that takedown it was insane Feldman so goog beats uh Rogers pretty not not a super competitive match and then it comes down to heavyweight and man Feldman is just so
Good on his reack go behind stuff and that’s how he get a take down at the end well I thought you know I thought Davidson got a little lazy in the first period on that finish in the beginning and he you know he would have had if
There’s two or three more seconds um but I just and then there was another scramble he got in where I thought maybe he could have got one and I think he was just I don’t know kind of a little I don’t want to say complacent I don’t
Know right the word is he wasn’t he wasn’t on point enough to actually get it maybe underestimating Feldman I’m not sure yeah I’m not I don’t know how do we feel about that stalling where Davidson was behind him and they run out of bounds he’s on top I hate it Ben hates
You love that stall call though no okay well here’s why this is to me it is so easy to see and I don’t know why I wish we could bring it up so we could watch it play back okay so I’ll just here’s two people right here’s the person on
Bottom here’s for those just listening Ben is just holding his hands hands well I don’t if I I you know I need two stick figures where I need like two little dummies I should go get ay’s little toys or something but if I’m going to push
Him if I’m if I can’t stand up and push him this doesn’t work right so if I’m gonna push him I need to get my feet behind me and I need to drive this man out of bounds right so I hate the drive out of bounds and generally when you see
That the top person they got their butt low the shoulders in the mid to low back the feet are behind him and they’re driving them does everyone understand what I’m talking about I hope you do understand you’re not watching enough wrestling you don’t understand talking angles and levers here yeah angles and L
Okay so if you watch that Davidson was not in that position Feldman was generating the majority of the force going out of bounds and so at that point the bottom person does in fact have to chase the top person because if they try to pull them back that’s going to be
Weird that’s not going to go well right it’s G to be super awkward so at the top person if someone starts moving forward on bottom you have two choices you can either follow them right or you could do some type of tripping motion which actually ends up pretty well when people
Do that Davidson did not do it he chose to just follow in which case I did not think was stolen in any way shap or form okay because I didn’t think that was GNA be your perspective because I thought you in previous years I don’t think we
Talked about this season you were like it’s always but you were like it’s always the top guy and it it is 94% of time is top guy I mean well honestly I tell my guys if you’re a bottom okay here’s the deal I use this example why
Can you guys do this for me you guys you guys are on set okay you guys know the little game where if one person’s walking down the hallway and the other person’s walking behind them they can kick their as their foot gets light they can kick their foot and kind of like up
A little bit I was very familiar with high school yes of course okay good can you do it to can you do it to Christian can we do this in slow motion can you put I would love to start walking Christian all what are we doing come on
CHR put him on camera put him on camera put him on camera you just got to talk me through this uh oh look Okay so here’s I explain as Christian’s walking JD knows it get him jie get him jie come on J he sucks you suck JD you’re
Terrible at this I didn’t know I didn’t I didn’t know the drill oh my go sorry all right well you kick the right foot it hits the their uh calf on the back of their heel and they fall over so yes this is what I’m but you didn’t do it
Right I want you to get him so you really want him to Matt return me through the the bar so my gosh as two feet move as two feet move right the back one steps up and becomes light do we all understand this the back one steps up and becomes light
Because it has to move forward so as that foot becomes light it takes almost no Force for the top person to grab it right so this is why I tell you don’t move if you’re on bottom don’t move because as you’re walking forward one of your feet is always becoming light and
If the top person times it they can get that foot without generating a force okay does that make sense or no yeah yes so the bottom person should not want to move they should want to stay put because that makes them a solid more defendable position but Feldman was
Moving and so he had David had to follow but it does not happen that way most of the time all right I’m with got Dr all the time yeah uh the I mean the position we drill if you guys want you want youth wrestling tips here and at high school
Honestly is like most of the time as the top person is starting to clear hands the top per the top person will drop to the leg right as the bottom person break hands they’ll H but if if that if weight if there is no weight on that inside leg
They’re going to get the leg kind of easy right so you have to have some force and some weight on that leg as you’re hip heisting that way they can’t they can’t grab it simple like you should be kind of leaning into it pressure over that a little bit as
Opposed to away from it okay sorry I feel like I’m getting very technical and maybe it’s being lost I I feel like I need a teleprompter and I need to be able to draw angles and you need you guys need to get me one of those so I
Could just draw it out here on this TV right here as long as you don’t use a stupid Podium I think that would be a good tradeoff but right now I think we just need some of uh Aussie’s Power Rangers and then we’d be in good shape
Stupid Podium you know the one oh my gosh are you kidding me all right I don’t know why you even brought this up Christian I don’t know what are you guys what are you guys talking about the PX podium oh my gosh what is wrong what happened literally your favorite thing talking
About this that’s not a Podium Ben there’s a there’s a cartoon what are you talking about there’s a cartoon of us on a Podium oh Podium oh I think Ben was thinking of like a Podium that like a president uses to yes that’s what I was
Yes I was trying to figure out what they were talking about Tyler I couldn’t figure it out obviously we talk about presidential better than you guys I know normally I’m like translate normally I know where he gets off the track off the rails like I could see oh I see where he
Got there but I that one I was a little confused but anyway yeah just get some of ozy’s Power Rangers okay uh what else on the Davidson Feldman I mean it was electric when he got that takedown yeah that was awesome um yeah so I don’t know
That he beats him again but Davidson absolutely on his feet can hang with the best guys I’m actually curious to see how he does against Kirk because Kirk has kind of been killing everyone so can Feldman stay in the match and then he’s not great on bottom I mean he got ritten
Out the whole and kirkit kind of has a nice tilt so you know is this one GNA be competitive or is kirkit goingon to blow him out I don’t see it being competitive Kirk Kirk fleet’s been really good on his feet too yeah I think felin struggled with big guys and Kirk Fleet
Is not only huge he’s also moves super well they should not go under this man that would be a bad idea this is free advice from a bad wrestler that you should not go under Nick Nick Felman should not go under Greg Kirk Fleet not if there’s a fire nothing don’t do it
Not there’s a fire no nothing no there I mean honestly so your your best your best bet in this match is to just hand Fight Hard move well right don’t choose bottom keep it close and try to get a taked down at the end would be the
Strategy to win this match don’t shoot in the first period yes uh yeah 100% let it let it come down to and kirkfit will and he’s so athletic he gets that he will kind of shoot from a little too far out sometimes yes and lots of times he’s so
Powerful and athletic that he gets it but I like when I watch the range I’m like oh he shouldn’t be shooting from that far out and then he he freaking covers the distance and gets there yeah somehow he’s got long arms and he’s quick and yeah yes I feel like he does
He used to get run behind a little bit more but I can’t think I mean he’s undefeated this year I’m not sure if he’s yes given up a takedown yet I don’t think so yeah I don’t either okay we talked going into that Feldman Kirk Fleet match I think it was kak that
Brought it up in the office just how Feldman hasn’t like he does well against guys his size right and Lucas is not like a huge heavyweight so y I was nervous going into that match and i’ see why yeah good performance for for Feldman I I did think it was a decent
Match what did we say on the picks for that one do you was a me four and a half four and a half oh for I hope I took Feldman we all went Feldman yeah we all Feldman that was so easy okay all one you guys hey I’m mad
At you I wanted to pick Ohio State and I did in fact pick Ohio State on the team and my reason was just like Michigan sometimes and I didn’t know it was G to be a forfeit but they did at 65 also they sometimes don’t have a great backup
Where if they’re missing someone it can sway the team thing a lot um I wish I wouldn’t have let you you guys talk me out of that one I didn’t try listen I don’t try to convince you of anything if I was on the show I toally would have
Yeah he would have he would have talked you out of it okay um do we want to talk about the the two near upsets or do we want to just I don’t know if we want to talk through every duel in this level of granularity yeah um I was actually funny
Enough I was just scrolling down our picks uh Ruth Edmond Edmond Ruth and Patrick Kenn we already talked about that one plot versus kising was kind of fun um Parker’s learned how to cradle people he cradled them twice he got two swipes on one but then they W waved it off on a
Challenge which I didn’t really love um but he looked really good against DUS and plot and then plot looked which I picked Feldman like a dummy killed Fel so Fel sorry Fel Camp fil so bad it was like holy moly dude he was the only one that took
Plot brutal matchup there um that maybe we should have realized that he would have that big of a advantage on his feet so much more athletic was able to get in consistently and finish with little issue which great great pick JD great pick by JD thank you thank you it
Enabled him to tie me um pulling within no closer than he was the previous week I’m running down Ben no I’m pretty sure I’m beating you this year at a break next we deter listen last week on the show you said you were down by like four and
Then JD I think especially if we like uh do the testing where you take out your worst score if you take out my worst week where I went 0 and six why woulding you well let me do that too okay it’s not going to be as bad as 0 and six yes
It won’t be that you’re right I would never do that bad in any week ever in the history you consistently just do worse than me no you’re losing we did this on the last the very last show I think his point JD his point if he takes
Out his worst week which is worse than anyone’s worst week my percentage is much higher than you yes okay hey yeah if you take out the bad weeks you look better I’m there’s no I said weak not weeks there’s no denying that there’s no denying that math okay all right
Oklahoma state two of Iowa yeah they did what does that oh because they beat two oh that’s funny iow goes there February 25th which is gonna be a fun duel yes yeah uh no Chum um which obviously that wouldn’t have been able to make the difference fully because if they uh win
That match instead of losing that match then they still lose by three points so that wouldn’t have made all the difference the surprise I think the match that caught us most off guard I think us collectively as Pickers was chimia versus Jameson where we kind of had we were all
Feeling pretty good about chandia cover and I think that was my lock yeah that was your lock and I mean Jameson well I guess the the surprise that he said edman really didn’t have many chances to score he didn’t get in much at all no I no I disagree Christian there was two
Multiple times he got to a single leg on I believe on uh his his right leg uh Sprout not Sprout Le James’s right leg and just wasn’t able to climb up and finish it and if you remember Sprout uh keep call him Spradley Jameson didn’t get to ET media’s legs till overtime and
When he got to his leg he scored on it but he didn’t actually get to like a locked shot prior to then whereas Chim Mia was in on his leg multiple times and wasn’t able to convert yeah and that was actually I mean honestly that’s kind of if I’m Iowa State’s coaching staff
That’s what I’m going back on because Terk Keno is in deep on sproutly and if he finishes that match that match might be different same thing with uh 41 and then 49 swederski won but he was in on Alvarez’s legs so many times and wasn’t able to finish so there’s a few
Different matches and then maybe even 74 all also somewhere in their where they they could have definitely finished more shots and it would have helped them win more matches for sure give swerski a pass first weekend back and Alvarez is just tough for everyone to finish on he
Is I thought true yeah I thought he looked right yeah he did he looked good but I mean he was in on the legs probably seven times and scored two something something like that like his finish rate wasn’t super high and you’re you’re right Christian uh Alvarez is
Tricky and tough to score on yeah uh back to the plot kisen match you know I I kind of caught the end of it and then I went and re rewatched it later but plot had the lead 54 in the third period and then kisen was able to get two late
Takedowns to make the match look less close than it really was but yes man it’s I don’t know why I just didn’t think we would be saying yeah plot is like kind of the hands down number two guy right now but it seems like he probably is I think he probably is
I mean Bernie and Parker’s match was super close yeah at the allstar closer than this in my opinion I know that one was officiated weird with with the Stallings and everything but you could also guess the plot guys in match was super close this weekend but
You could also look at it didn’t plot get his takedown early in the 1 and then after that um how close did he come to get the take down Parker got the first one I think Parker got the first one and he got the second one and then Parker
Got the third and the fourth take correct if I remember but Parker also almost they had the two swipes on the back points that they wiped off uh which I I did not think was correct um so yeah I think there’s Parker uh I don’t know
I’m put him as tier one Island because he’s just beating everybody and I think tier two these guys are all close plot Pinto Munoz TRX yes maybe even Salazar but then the other guy uh you know unfortunately their whole team looked great yesterday I feel like it was
Corner El’s best showing in the season but fol looked really good kind of beat up on Clayton and Clayton’s had a great year so far and we’ve all fola has shown the ability to wrestle with the best guys previously he’s kind of had some downtimes as well but I mean if he shows
His best performance NCA I think he can compete with any of those guys also I’m with you when when he moved up to 84 I was like this is a guy absolutely could could win could absolutely make the NCA finals I could see him going with a moon
Is going with the TR going with Parker and then Vegas happens you’re like whoops bad read way off but yes these things happen man wrestling’s weird and everything’s so much closer now than it used to be normally like a bad tournament is just like sort of disqualifies you from you know kind of
The perception but anymore it’s just like man if you’re down a little bit if you’re like at 90% you can get killed by some guys that are ranked you know outside the top 10 I think that’s a little bit what happened with Chris but yeah he did look so good and dynamic
And yeah I I’m with you I don’t think you can take him out of that consideration either but one thing I didn’t think I would was GNA say this year is that Parker is just far and way the number one guy island kind of guy
And I think that’s where you have to be right now with him yes I would agree he’s he’s really got a lot of ways to score so it’s hard to shut him down um he’s getting better on top he he never gets written by anybody so um yeah he’s
He’s looking really good yeah hey what’s with the the bullhorns thing he does I don’t you know what I tried grilling them on that one time there was someone I it was someone on their team just did it as a thing one time and then it like stuck and I don’t recall what
The exactly the back it’s something like that like someone just said it and then it just stuck and then everyone uses it and it doesn’t make any sense because they’re the Panthers uh not anything to do with any type of horn okay yeah I know weird right all right
We got to the bottom of that he’s he’s going to be one of my favorite guys to watch wrestle this year too he just brings the energy man really does seven minutes he tries to score he kind of I think we talked we’ve GED up Parker a
Lot on this show I think but like and you said it and made me think about it I think you said it at Vegas like Parker wrestle is like that like the guy that every coach tells you to wrestle like wrestle hard try to scrore the whole
Time he really does and he’s got the bruising sort of pace and like physicality about him but he’s he’s really slick and quick to the leg and he’s got a lot of ways to score he’s a complete package that’s for sure yes you know he’s even himself
Vulnerable though for horns down oh yeah that’s bad at which point he they can if they if he complains then every team will cow because if someone goes you see see BU BYU which you know BYU they that is pretty aggressive for them they’re they’re a nice bunch of guys and
Gals they got in trouble for a horns down sign they were probably all 25 plus um yeah all right back to uh Iowa State Oklahoma State um so Oklahoma State and missou this weekend so mizou is coming off of which I’m sure we’re going to talk about their loss unfortunately um
Oklahoma state is just winning all these close matches you know uh we talked about their match with Oregon State last weekend where I think they had six or seven onepoint wins uh they win the overtime match at 41 the close match at 25 um and just get it done in this duel
You know the other one I guess which is it’s funny because we probably won want to talk about this one um 97 uh he got killed by Jersey Rob which I don’t think Jersey Rob is the permanent starter or anything but Jersey Rob is like a solid High School wrestler
But not like a number one recruit or anything he has beat up on uh oh my gosh I’m for help me out we’re talking about J robers jul BR right now um yes that did happen that surprising cber that was surprising cber still hurt um if he
Comes back they could be but at this point now it’s January I don’t know yeah okay um yeah Jersey Rob is one and three against division one opponent so I and he’s a 84 I was shock by the result I’m pretty sure an 84 power yeah maybe he’s been wrestling at the wrong
Weight class that’s possible Oklahoma state is known to make people cut too much weight um the other one that was crazy did you see did you guys see Bren Thompson MJ gon when he picked him up yeah I did see that my first thought was out of bounds for sure
But then when I watched it again it’s a cylinder it goes up inity like Thompson like puts his foot backwards in like he wants to stay I mean I’m sure his accent right but it was like he wanted to stay in the cylinder he puts his foot and
It’s very very clearly in in this cylinder and so that keeps him in bounds then gon gets the take down I I don’t know that it was definitive that it was still in the cylinder I I I watched it a bunch of times too it’s I’m open to the
Possibility that it was in and out um but yeah it was him he was thinking defensively like how I need to keep my feet back whereas if he just like brought his heels in it would have been clearly out of bounds and he wouldn’t have given up the take down but like the
Tactics of Defense versus the tactics of where you are on the match like sometimes they they conflict with one another but yeah that was a weird one did you see Jer versus heinselman that takedown he got Ben picked him up and threw him down Ben sorry I uh the producer was talking
To me so I didn’t hear anything there gotcha I was just asking if you saw the younger takedown against that screenshot you posted was so funny you know what I actually didn’t see it cuz I went to Shane Gillis on Saturday night so I I turned it off after plot versus Fel Camp
You did you where did you see Shane Gillis he was in Wisconsin he was in Milwaukee he moved to Austin you know that Shane Gillis did I mean Austin’s a great place to live when are you coming bro I’m coming no that’s not what I mean uproot your entire family and move here
Moving when Texas Deeds from the Union uh that’s what I’m moving okay done done it’s done when they love freedom and they make Bitcoin the currency of their new uh okay new country I’m in all right now we now we’re getting to F Fantasy Land here we’ll kick CP out
Then CP if he doesn’t like it he ain’t welcome he’s gone I didn’t say that I’m just you know thinking pragmatically okay fine fair enough we don’t want you anyway all right what we haven’t talked about a high schooler beating uh the number one ranked wrestler in America we haven’t talked
About almost losing which I thought you would bring up already well there’s a lot there’s uh frankly a lot to get to Let’s Talk About That pton Hall comes out gets two takedowns against Keegan OU it’s looking dire and then Keegan just gets the he dug deep got it done he did
Dig deep he dug deep in both his matches in my opinion he almost got got with the locked hands he oh yes he did which was not I didn’t think it was a lock it was close but he gets the take down what were your thoughts on that Performance
Pton Hall has wrestled him tough the past yeah he uh I mean I don’t make excuses for him but it maybe not his best performance uh for a couple reasons and he’ll be back and have better performances in the future but he like a champion he showed up and he figured out
A way to get it done the entire Missouri team did not have their best performance this weekend and I think I was talking a bit a bit on the last show when you see an entire team or 70 plus percent of a team not have their wrestle to the level
We all agree they are capable of that’s generally a sign of you know sickness going through the team uh a weird training cycle whatever travel getting messed up and they couldn’t cut their weight tonight before finals week something like that yeah yeah so so hopefully hopefully missou has a nice
Bounce back against uh Oklahoma State this week um but I mean if we’re going that cor I actually thought besides probably besides uner and veto the first two matches Cornell’s guys like Meer looked better than he has all year um I think fogus look better than he has all
Year so their guys kind of wrestled really well I was so I was most surprised by the elim cardinas match I really felt like I had a good read on that and wrong big wrong cardinus kind of I mean I feel like elim was he even
Close to at any point really didn’t seem like it yeah man I mean cardinus is really athletic you got to be able to like push a little harder against him that’s kind of what Michael beard did when we talked about that match a couple weeks ago yes and then so let’s talk
About the the Julian’s up 4- Z he it’s a beautiful duck under goes up 40 in the second and at that point it it’s pretty nerve-wracking and then as soon as Keegan gets that takedown and ride out in the second you’re like all right back to regular scheduled program but I did
Not anticipate him being able to pour it on enough to get the major yeah I did not see that either I mean he does he has strong pressure um and it’s kind of like it’s subtle so you don’t recognize the pressure but then obviously you know Ramirez felt it in
The third and was just you know kind of took a dump in the third took a dump great line by me six and a half points great pick by me picking to cover uh I I think Ben and I said it last show Keegan uh you can tell it’s really pushing for
For bonus points this year um I’m surely thinking about hod trophy yeah hod is going to be interesting it’s man he’s got such a gauntlet to run I’ve been thinking about this 65 seating it’s going to get it’s going to be weird I think there’s a really good chance that
Carr and Keegan are on the same side um about if well obviously they’re gonna wrestle at the Dual me in the conference yes so because of that so okay if if Keegan runs the table then he’s the one yep and then Mitchell’s the two and Ramirez very likely the three you’re
Assuming Mitchell goes undefeated and wins yeah everything’s an assumption they could all be they could be you know outside the top 10 seed but yes so in the big in the Big 10 you’re G to have humidi kandoo Mitchell I mean and fish that’s that’s number five six seven
Eight and and 10 and then in the Big 12 you’re gonna have Keegan Carr Alik one two three and then number nine Payton Hall so you kind of have like two groupings of four guys Ramirez uh the next guy in the E eiwa is who is probably no malany actually at
Yeah 15 so it’s kind of a big decent drop there yeah so yeah what I’m trying to say is if Keegan beats Carr twice I think that’s gonna bump Carr to the four very likely because he’ll have the Ramirez loss and which is kind of oh yes
And then right or if they split then I think it’s likely Mitchell goes undefeated and there’s a good chance they could be on the on the same side down below or two and three they could be two and three bumping Ramirez up or you could have Carr gets shot up to the
To the four against Mitchell that’s possible but I think there’s a lot of scenarios that point to Keegan and David being on the same side of nca’s yeah let’s just uh you know wait a month and then talk about it yeah we’ll talk about it I don’t want to wait for
Our lives to be over so funny you love Dawson’s Creek okay uh I actually never watched that show I hope you didn’t either no I didn’t watch it he actually told me he did I love it I’ve never show I’ve never seen it but but so certain comes out he gets the
Mixer on hry you’re like all right this is looking good Cade Moore is the broken neck with oh my gosh what is up with I didn’t see that match but we had people in chat talking about Noah CT’s neck brace he’s wearing a full-on puffy neck brace Ciro Brock or not Brock merer
Uh Grant Le Grant Le 2015 or 16 he wore it for several he wore it for a couple decades Grant Le was in college a long time um yeah yeah I don’t listen I got no I got no defense for that I can’t imagine it does anything I
I remember giving Grant Le the hard time about it I remember him saying it actually does something I still don’t know if I believe him it just doesn’t look like it does I wonder if it’s got to make it harder for like a stuff head no because your like head literally your
Chin literally can’t go all the way down to your chest then wouldn’t it be choking you just like a I mean in the same way a turtleneck choke well no because to choke don’t you have to thicker than a turtleneck you have to go you have to go
Like chin to your chest to like really start to to choke right but if your chin can only go down an there’s like a thick pad there it’s isn’t it going to compress I mean it’s surely it’s not hard enough to not be able to compress like it’s got to
Compress like onto that part of your neck if you’re squeezing there maybe I don’t know man all I know is it’s funny I mean not I say funny no it is funny to see someone wearing a puffy neck seriously neck brace I don’t know why it’s funnier than a giant knee brace
Which Pat mcke he switched out his knee Braes it’s it’s black now but it’s still just as audacious looking it’s still got the backwards he let us down he did you were you were full on Pat mck’s back he’s and then boom gets taken down us
It’s 125 baby 125 yeah it to to pretend roller coaster to pretend that we have any read on any of these is just uh yeah 125 that’s good but yeah what were your thoughts on the veto K Kade Moore he’s got something man he is tough he’s got
Some weird feel you know um I actually didn’t think it was two and four that first sequence I watched it multiple times and I know college refs they’re they’re actually they’re really good they’re in position quick right but I just couldn’t figure out how he got four
Four four swipes on that one he must have been speed swiping or something um I thought it was like a two and two type situation um you know Cade Moore was able to hang on through the whole second period not give up a takedown and V had
Some injury issues or I think that’s what was going on maybe elbow or something that effect yeah was interesting kind of descript sort of stoppage like elbow or Stinger I don’t I couldn’t get a full read on what it was but yeah it kind of looked like an elbow
To me is what it looked like um and then yeah I mean VTO gets two takedowns like back to back in the third period like really really quickly it’s one of those things where this I told Conor Mir solo when he was able to beat Max Dean um you
Know he was kind of smoking he was up 5- Z but winners aren’t going to give up winners are just keep coming at you they’re just and that’s what veto did veto just kept coming at veto’s not like I guess I’m just gonna lose this one to
This young guy like no he’s gonna keep coming at you you know and so he just kept coming till he got what he wanted and then he you know he rode out the third period and won the match so that’s what that’s what guys like that Doo
Winners win he got two takedowns in like six seconds it was fast got it kicked and immediately got the one immediately in just like you drill it and then rote him out and got it done it looked bad I was like because he was down big and
Then he had the injury time right before he he had started mounting his comeback so at that point you’re like this is not going to be this is not going to be good and then yeah Champions find a way and he is a champion but yes so you guys are
Cool with onepoint matches when veto does it but not when will does it that’s what I’m gathering here yeah it is kind of hypocritical tiny bit tiny bit more action a little more action it’s well I you would say that Ben to the untrained eye it does look like there is more
Action in those matches but to the to those of us that understand at a higher level it’s sort of clear and I don’t know why Christian saying us I’m I’m saying me I think you know I’m not gring in with myself that’s too funny
Okay um um what else you know at 40 41 Edmond was doing all right and he he got a take on third I don’t think they should have chose bottom after the injury time yeah cuz it was cuz you remember Cornell had 55 seconds ride time so they choose bottom and then
Cornell gets up to you know a minute and 10 and yes Edmond does get the Escape but you’re essentially swapping one points like one point is one point right you’re wasting yeah 15 or 17 seconds or whatever when you could have been going for a takedown then like he almost gets
The takedown at the end it’s like well if you had 17 more seconds you probably would have got it yeah how did you feel about not calling the taked down for Edmund but calling the takedown for Canelo with reaction and I thought they were reaction I thought they got the
Calls right yeah I think they were kind of right unfortunately yeah it was close you know the one that was infuriating it was because and it was it wasn’t because of the refereeing but it was because edman wouldn’t make the adjustment did you guys watch edman vers
Titus on Friday night oh my gosh this was so crazy oh my God Titus he wasn’t passing the leg he was just like front he just kept rolling it’s that n it’s a n Roll that n started against when they have a double it was a single but it was a single
But he does it Titus does it from everywhere he spammed it and he could not take him down he got it like five times it was it was infuriating got to go back and rewatch this I didn’t oh this match was crazy it was crazy God
And then I actually uh I I didn’t love the takedown call for tius in overtime but uh now I feel like I gota I watched so much drling this weekend I feel like I gota go rewatch it before I comment on exactly why I didn’t like it but uh dude
That b match was so frustrating oh man because Edmond got in places where he should score like I don’t know six seven eight times and he just kept freaking getting rolled through and not scoring yeah it was funny um okay so Titus that that was a wild
Match yeah he didn’t adjust that so oh yeah we were on sorry Cornella and Edmond uh Edmond I was but then you know missou this they I don’t and I don’t know I don’t have any inside information I didn’t ask but um you know Joffrey is
Their normal start at 49 he actually had he lost to Waters but it was a tough match on Friday night and Waters is really good um and they started Seltzer who Seltzer has been the 33 most year and he he has bumped up to 41 recently
But Seltzer you know lost that match and that’s a match where if they if they joffre’s in and they win then they win the duel so maybe we’re feeling a little bit different about it yeah they I mean there’s a lot of little should have what has but yeah not having Joffrey
Definitely hurt that was undeniable talk about Myer Shapiro’s performance Ben is he back dude he looked good he looked so good the the duck he hit on him where mer had his right wrist and then he faked arm drag to that side and went opposite side you can screenshot it at
One point and it’s so funny cuz he’s almost like doing a splits and then all of a sudden M just basically fell on his face behind him yeah that was I mean you know I guess that kind of t i don’t say takes us back but um you know I mean Christian
You were calling for a Meer national title to being the year and I I don’t think I was as aggressive as you about it but I’m like he’s he’s probably right like you know like there’s a definite chance of it and then obviously because of some performances or expect
Expectations of it have been tempered and while I’m still not um probably where I was in the preseason after that performance I’m like well if he wrestles like that he could probably go with anybody so I feel with Meer like I think du suit him gear up one match one Focus
He’s going to be really tough to beat in that scenario every single time the question is going to come you got to string five of them back to back and you know from round from round two on it’s going to be really really tough so that’s that’s the next test for him and
I’m not we’re not going to see him really tested tested like that until NCA again right his gas tank was uh a cause of concern for me but he looked he went to full seven minutes against merer so now can he do that when it’s when it’s a
Tight one toone match that’s maybe a different question but he the gas tank is less of a question now for sure I part of me feels like he shouldn’t be in that many I mean it’s going to happen right he gets in but he gets in enough
Exchanges that he won’t be in like a one to one type yeah yeah I it just seems like he can get in seven minutes he can get two takedowns on just about everyone now he hasn’t I’m not saying he has but it seems like when he’s going he can attack
At such a high rate yeah he’s got a lot of weapons at his disposal I never sold any stock I bought it maybe too early if I you sold the stock don’t lie no listen I you’re going to say you had Diamond hands but you took a step back on him
For sure I I would love to be able to just just talk I was just saying listen I picked him I’m out in front you guys don’t get to I listen no no no no I pick him after the bottom after he won a World title after he won a World title
That’s not exactly buying the bottom and he was like the number one and the number one overall recruit so let’s not say you bought the bot I am yet to make my point because of the incess interruptions I was saying the bottom would have been after cklv so I didn’t
Reby then but I was high on him and I didn’t get rid of any of my stock after Vegas but certainly was concerned about the probability of him winning a national title listen you can check my portfolio you can talk to my portolio Tyler Tyler is a was a finance major or
Something and migan economics and economics and he manages all my funds and he can confirm to you right now I didn’t sell I can confirm that he sold everything that’s private yes you’re busted that’s private information what you can tell only the good I didn’t sell
Any I bet there’s some people in New York and Maryland that bought super low though and maybe now that’s definitely possible more value than you yeah but anyways Christian is like the uh distraction that would have bought before you before he was the number one
Overall recruit oh I did 100% I did I’ve been out in front of this Meer thing for a while when he won Cadet trials in I remember I I’ll when he made 17u he won 17u when we were like damn he’s really good yes 100% I was
Like that’s the best kid in high school I said it all along he was never pound-for-pound number one I said to me he’s the best guy in high school um so no it’s not true it wasn’t world world title related one of the first events I
Did when I started my job here was who’s number one and I I didn’t really watch any high school wrestling at all at that point I’d been not watching it for a while and Meer just like stunted and I yeah I was like this guy’s legit he’s
Really good he’s really fun to watch uh okay so Myers’s back that was Big Win okay edmin Titus was so much fun you guys should go watch especially overtime he even in the overtime I think he spams the rooll thing four times in just the overtime not even the regulation but
Then I remember the part I didn’t like so Titus wins two to two and this was riding time but but Edmond gets to his feet and Titus kind of has a seat belt but Edmond is facing him and I thought it should have been an escape and the
Ref did not award an escape so therefore Titus won because he had more ride time yeah there’s uh the uh the timing of great criteria win the timing of Escape being given is is interesting and it it came up in the Caleb Smith Eric Barnett match
Where Eric turns and faces and he’s just standing straight up and gets double Ed immediately and so they don’t give the uh they don’t give the Escape so when Smith attacks in there they don’t give the Escape but it’s one of those where I I think it’s the right call to not give
The takedown there but really but it’s also like the only reason he’s not giving a takedown right now is because Barnett cut lazily and didn’t get in position and he let a guy it should be his fault that that’s what I’m saying but I also know fact like they had not
Given one until they give one you can’t be taken down yeah I I obviously agree with that statement but I was watching a k through2 tournament yesterday and something like that happened Andy had her first tournament it was hilarious oh yeah uh she she did not win a match but
You know she was so we’re all happy our children have something in common from this weekend Ben so but I saw one of the K22 match where the it was just like Barnett CES did and the referee gave one and two and I said whoa whoa whoa like I actually I
Didn’t say anything I just kind of laughed about it uh and it was like okay but these are K through2 so you got you got to let them kind of like Get Set and whatnot you know because they don’t really know what they’re doing but at
The college level I can’t stand it when referees hold their one point Escape yeah yeah it’s like dude these are college athletes you’ve been let go get ready to not get taken down like you know what the heck you’re doing here so I hated that that was not a one and then
Three scenario because you’re a college athlete you know you know you’ve been let go get ready to get ready to defend yourself what would be the counter to if you’re facing each other it’s an Escape why would that be bad what do you mean well I’m saying I mean I’m I’m basically
Agreeing with you but like all right if as you poke holes into what we saw there when Barnett turns faced they’re not touching each other and he shoots in what would be why would that be a bad thing to say hey that’s just an escape you even yeah and even but even even
Take a step back from that Christian sometimes when these bottom guys they do this like really sneaky slow turns they get a few extra seconds it’s like no if the top gu let go you call one it’s you freaking face them yeah like you’ve been let go you’ve been let go defend
Yourself right so like that I hate that sneaky slow turn it’s like why is the referee waiting to give one point it’s like we’re we’re adults here you’ve been released that is an escape face him get in the defensive stance they are adults there’s no denying that yeah like dude
Like ridiculous I mean that could be gamed really easily if they’re not facing you because you can just go optional and let go and take a step back and then you know double you should hustle off bottom yes the bottom person should I could take you down I could
Take you down obviously if you’re on the bottom you’re you’re not on your feet Christian so you yes you have to get to your feet right but yes um like once they you go maybe like a one count boom then yes neutral defend yourself yep yep
Okay I have two messages from the chat I’d like to read okay first one okay CP is a Drive Turkey dang everyone’s no eyes detected um that’s from Uncle he oh he actually just retracted it so it seems as though he didn’t want you to see that but I saw it
Before he retracted it and then we got so was 157 stronger or weaker this year just pretend that andonian comes back fully healthy at acc’s I say weaker I think oconor and humph beat anyone in the field including Haynes that’s what Ted Carrera says well that could no I
Would say yeah last year was probably stronger because it had Austin o’ Conor in it and is it is 57 deeper though I don’t know I think 57 this year may be deeper with guys that can win like cardinas has been pretty good this year he beat shapy chaparro’s up there too
Franic looks great shapy looks really good um Rob I mean Vegas Rob was incredible Rob’s gonna come back Rob’s gonna come back and also jakori teamer Cody CH no 57 is better this year I think it’s way def change your own mind like that yeah so well there’s there’s
It’s it’s all on how you look at it right the final Boss versus the yeah the final boss a de of AOC versus the couple more more really solid High a harder to win versus deeper 57 ver harder to take third harder to win harder to take third
There is a difference there last year’s harder to win Austin was better can I go can we go back for a second to the Caleb Smith and Bernett match please okay because there was one there’s one sequence that was there that I don’t really like and this sequence also
Happened in um t a what was the other match I was watching that I really uh remember there two there were two different sequences but the same thing so if I have two of your legs right um so in this case Caleb Smith had two of
His legs and Barnett was in the crotch but Cale Smith was now covering the hips right so he had stepped over with his leg U and they actually initially called two and they waved it on the challenge and in the other match I was watching same thing double leg and they have the
Hips covered all the way right so they’re facing peric but that the the defensive guy was hanging on to an ankle like leaning off the side hang on to an ankle um I feel like the refs would save themselves a whole bunch of hassle if they would just call that situation two
And I feel like it is two if you have the hips covered head is on the outside and you have both legs that is a takedown I don’t care if they’re hanging in the crotch or grabbing the ankle they don’t have anything they’re hanging on
For dear life call it to let’s be done with it and then the bottom person knows his job is no longer to hang on it is to INF fact Escape especially when you juxtapose J steber takedown which we all know but I seriously Peterson Peterson um Peterson mcke that’s how and you know
Pat mcke is really tough with that kind of head pinch situation chest wrap yeah so he s he sat on his butt hold on he sat on his butt Dean gets the Tak down he never gets his head to the outside or anything right but they give the three
And I’m not mad at I don’t I’m not saying that shouldn’t be three but I don’t understand how that’s three and you could be doubled and Caleb had the the top leg scooped and because Barnett just had a lot hips covered hips covered hips covered top leg scooped yeah I
Think it was top May bottom but hips were covered and that’s not three I I’m kind of with you Ben that I think it would be a lot easier and simpler I don’t think having a hold of what was a damn match yeah what was the match where
The guy had the ankle it was a big match this weekend like I’m bling what it was but when when they have the double get the hips covered but the bottom guy has the ankle you know that’s one where the top guy is kind of screwed because if
They kind of take weight off the ankle that’s then they’re going to get leg past right so they can’t do that so they’re kind of stuck but they’re like well I have both those legs and I have the hips covered but I can’t actually clear this ankle it’s kind of I don’t
Know it’s impossible but it kind of is from a technical perspective it’s not you can’t do it right so then you just have this like stupid hang on cling situation or you force the guy who has the double leg to take some type of asinine risk right in which he’s going
To get leg past or otherwise so it’s like if you just call two the bottom person then lets go of the ankle then starts working off bottom and you have a progression that makes sense and it doesn’t make sense to to to hold the taked down in that I’m with you with you
Dog yes okay there’s still so much we haven’t got to yet boys we want to talk about Maryland Penn State oh yeah do you want to what what’s the what’s the um well someone in chat brought up uh can we talk about stach’s Beast with Maryland coach oh you’re not uh you’re
Not the only blow bag anymore apparently yeah we got two blow bags they both have Missouri Tiger don’t know what means um I think it just means blow hard um yeah so I went back I I I want Ben’s perspective on this so I know I have my
Opinion I actually meant to go watch it this morning I didn’t watch it so uh and it wasn’t on Big 10 plus I don’t think soz I think I Big 10 Network it was Network okay it got uploaded to the internet I can find it real quick if you
Watch to the end um via a pirate via a pirate you will see him playing video games right in the middle the warmup line so it’s some gamer that illegally like downloads and uploads these du to YouTube and then at the end of it it’s just him like streaming on twitching on
Some video game right at the end of the line but the uh well I I can just describe it instead of having you uh wait for you to watch it but for well I don’t know what the the Genesis of the beef is other than I I think coach
Cunningham and Clemson are are not too friendly and I think they’re both clemon obviously can be chippy and I I think coach Cunningham can be to a degree too in the corner and I don’t know what what brought it to a head but a lot was discussed about Carter stach’s match
Against Stein of Maryland who’s like I think he’s our second or third string guy walk on and he comes out and he’s just taking him down cut him he’s not making any attempt to to turn him or anything and then at one point I think
In the first period it gets to the point where if Carter gets another takedown it’s a tech and he hits a duck or he getss almost to a Tak down and he kind of like shoves him off because he didn’t want to get the tech he wanted the pin
So he didn’t give up a takedown and then in the second period he gets a near side cradle and pins him so I don’t know if coach Clemson took exception to the fact that Carter didn’t try to pin him right away like um maybe he thought he should
Have but I don’t know bro this big that’s my point it’s like bro dude I if I see that little Le I’m like come on bro just put put this kid away um even in high school I’m like cuz you know there’s kids you talk them into why
I did it in high school and now I feel guilty about my former self a little bit like I mean I know why I did it and I actually think it probably helped me with like some long-term success because I learned how to just keep getting takedowns over and
Over even when I was like really exhausted you know because I was pushing myself hard um but now when it’s like one person is significantly better than the other person they keep taking them down it’s like uh just you know maybe maybe hit a few and then put them away
After that yeah well well I mean to to Carter’s defense I mean that is what he did he got four takedowns I think four or five takeown but Carter this I’m saying for them it’s the this is the Big 10 bro this is the one of the highest
Levels of college wrestling like and we’re talking about the 0.1% of all wrestlers very few make it to this level like you get your ass kick get your ass kick deal with it yeah I’m I I totally that that was kind of my perspective after watching the match because you know there are
Things that that can cross the line in terms of you know if you’re shoving off a guy or punking them or there’s things like but man if you’re just running up the score and pinning a guy I this is kind of what I I sort of feel like
That’s what you signed up for like you wanted to walk onto a big 10 school that means you might get used you’re wrestling the Big 10 that means you might get used against Penn State and you might get used against a sun four time NCA Champion like those those are
The breaks I just think it’s a yeah I don’t I don’t have any issue with with it what whatsoever should I read Carter’s tweet I agree sure I think I read it uh Carter said blowbag coach ktie Casey Would fold that man like an accordion I would have had to come over
The top with a hook though I don’t think that’s good now we don’t fight we wrestle and then that’s it you know say your say your peace but um yeah I don’t know um coaches shouldn’t fight I don’t think they were G to fight but I think B you
Know how it is if you’re well Ben doesn’t but you know some people lost if you lose a lot and it’s tough you get a little get a little it’s easier to let the frustration spill over a little bit more if it’s if it’s not going your way and
If you feel like that’s why I said you I I said this last week the bottom of the Big 10 right now is rough and so some of these teams are just taking butt kickings weekend after weekend I mean these duels between the best Big 10
Teams and the not as good Big 10 teams they are not comp competitive they’re not even slightly competitive yeah you need to talk like almost none of the matches are competitive the D crazy yeah yeah no yeah there there really is a a growing kind of bottom half of the Big
10 that I I think it’s a combination of things I think there’s a team you got a team like Illinois that’s red shirting a lot of really competitive wrestlers and next year they’re going to look a lot different um but I’ll say on the one hand the job Minnesota is doing right
Now when you can consider all the people that left all the people that left consider who could be on their team right now and who isn’t I think they’re getting a lot out of their guys but yeah you’re right you’re you’re you’re right it it is down a little bit but you know
I think much to do about nothing with the the Maryland pin thing do you guys have another perspective before we move on agree uh yeah I didn’t think it it was too much and I don’t think it’ll be really a thing between them moving forward anything but I love strictly from an entertainment
Perspective Carter srra he is so entertaining like even this stuff like I love that he gives fans something to hate or something to love yeah that he creates discussion that even when he doesn’t wrestle he’s willing to do an interview with the media and say yeah here’s why I didn’t wrestle and also
We’re way better than these guys and my guys are way better and I would have whooped them even more and we’re going to go whoop these next guys I love that he says that he took shots at the Aman family Tyler in his interview I don’t
Want to talk about that you don’t want to talk about that all right we talk I will say that I I agree with JD like I think a lot of guys because everyone’s connected to like a educational institution right so no and everyone has wor about their SIDS and stuff and um I
Think Carter is interesting for sure he’s fun to watch and I almost wish he would be at Iowa because then he would go full it would be full villain it is undeniable that more people would hate him if he wrestled at Iowa yeah that’s probably true yes um and that it may be
Getting viewed in a slightly different lens if he was saying these things if he was wrestling in the black and gold I think that’s a that’s a fact I think there would be a lot of a is this good for wrestling and there that is happening a little bit but I I would
Think it’s just ridiculous if you wrestled for Iowa Penn State or wherever you wrestled I I agree I think it would be the same but there would be this narrative would be a lot more and I think it would be getting more publicized yeah yeah 100% I remember
Yeah I actually when you when you guys say that like I I can’t think of uh too many things you to like entertainment like I can’t think of that many Outlanders things he’s said this year or done I guess this is the first one that I said my coach would beat up
Your coach and I would too that’s the first one that’s kind of funny yeah I agree I agree but it’s absurd to think about like if an Iowa wrestler said that people would be like he just said he would commit assault like all this stuff yeah okay um we talked about that we
Still have we only have like a few more minutes and we have not got to I keep trying to get to the high school thing and you guys go well let’s go back to this Luke there’s so much College stuff and it’s you know what it is college
He’s number one because high school kids are beating college kids all right jack SPS he’s really really really good at wrestling he’s a s I think he should reclassify he should reclassify and be a senior next year yeah I mean he’s he’s a holdback anyway it’s not agewise him and
Sinclair are the same birth year and Sinclair is a senior he’s a sophomore Sinclair’s younger for his grade so yeah let’s he should Rec chitam did this chid did the same thing reclassify BS next year go to college snap SN snap is is that difficult from a like educational
Perspective you can figure it out probably not probably not you can figure it out I’m sure yeah because he could be taking like junior level class I mean I don’t know the bishop heul I’m assume I’m assuming um man the race for these these uh lightweights is gonna be I mean blae ja
Knox is already going to Cornell Bo there’s there’s so much talent um so much yeah it’s crazy yeah so I would say uh he he should absolutely reclassify go be a senior next year go to college he’s kind of being a pain in my ass as the 125 ranker [Laughter]
The curse of 125 continues yeah they Luke s number one you’re You’re Gonna Leave Him number one you’re GNA leave number one aren’t you maybe I mean we dinged Ramos when he lost to him because he lost in the finals of that same tournament to Braden Palmer yes yeah I I
Think what you need to do is look at Jax’s D1 resume from this year and where would he be be number one where would he be ranked right now and was blae in the pool also or no I guess so um and if if you say hey ja would be
Ranked number two right now anyways and he beat stanch well then that doesn’t really make that doesn’t have a huge bearing on it um I don’t know I I think you you look at it because he has enough data in college matches to be you know
It has value right um yeah but it’s crazy how much it’s happening how good these kids are and just it’s a perfect storm we talked about it when blae beat Ramos it’s like this is about the high school kids being really good but it’s also about this is just so unprecedented
With with 125 and I talked with Jack Mueller this week and he was at the same tournament I was I was coaching that he thinks 25 should move up too he’s like d the weight’s too small he’s like it’s just like really yes what do you propose
What would be the new lightest weight I don’t know 30 33 you know what’s funny is um I was my daughters were asking about something and they used to have this is insane but this is why I’m going to say 125 is okay in my opinion there used to
Be 105 pound men’s weight class for Olympic wrestling I know that’s 105 there’s a lot of things that used to happen Christian could make that I could make that yeah 105 Christian think about that I don’t think I can make 57 we use special effects to make
Christian look larger on camera than he actually is as well yeah I’m 4 fo8 Chris you could make 57 I could yeah I think I mean I think I could I mean I weigh 105 55 pounds and I’m you don’t weigh that much come on you’re exaggerating I
Do though you can tell just by looking at you dude with the 146 Max 146 Max come on all right I mean I don’t there’s nothing wrong with you saying I’m not offended I’ve been a small guy my whole life Christian does does Flo purposefully hire smaller college wrestling
So no one can know your guys sizes we all all the same we’re all pretty small Spade D dwarfs us when we like walk into events giant um people have come up to spade and be like oh wow I didn’t realize you were so tall yeah
He’s he’s the final boss of Flo Sports he’s a big boy um no we’re all kind of around the same size I bet we’re all within 15 20 pounds I think that’s just the nature of wrestler sizes okay fair enough yeah okay I’m pushing 200 don’t know all
Right it’s 10:01 we’re we’re way over they we didn’t get to any the questions we didn’t get to any of the fact that Cornell brings out the bad boys in these Ivy League schools because Brown and Harvard both lost team points against uh Cornell they just they just must
Antagonize like Ben asrin does really stuck the dagger in them with that graphic oh 47 to negative one so bad your team if your team can’t win a match you ain’t got it right to be mad you better just shut up because you don’t want to be negative well no one
Complained but oh you’re saying the coaches yeah yeah the coach the coach like you better sit there and be quiet well I don’t know what happened but anyways we got to go this was fun and it also went too fast Ben thank you Tyler thank you J thank you thank you
Especially to you for listening we’re going to be back on Thursday this week you won’t be here no I won’t are you going are you going to Missouri no okay so he’ll be here Ben will be here maybe Olie will be back maybe not he’ll probably put a heater on that ashtray
There but we thank you guys so much for tuning in we’ll be back then hope you have a happy Monday thanks for uh keeping on FL wrestling we’ll be back thank you see You [Applause] A P
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Yeah the new setup sucks. Ya need the desk back with the computers. Your setup looks like a one on one interview type show. Plus it kills jd and looking shit up.
I hate watching will lewan wrestle
@1:07:56 That's because it wasn't 2 and 4 swipes, it was 3 and 3. You're welcome.
Flowrestling live from the Regency lounge. Cringe
Guys please listen to youre sound,gotta sit down and zero end,to hear!
Something about you guys in that needs studio with your legs crossed all hoity-toity makes Ben want to fight you guys is the funniest comment of the day and it's only a couple minutes in😂
1:25:15 that’s actually true if carter wrestled for Iowa he would be HATED!!!! But it’s PSU so it’s fine lol I love the dude, think “blow bag” is lame term but he’s the man
This new studio is useless if you can't hear the show. Cactus wrestling has a better sounding podcast. Did anyone at Flo do a sound check?
Volume of broadcast is very low, YouTube Ads when they come on, very loud….need some balancing, old broadcasts did not have this issue.
Ben is Rt
U guys with crossed legs
U need a table or something
Please
Please keep Ollie gone. Much better episode this week than weeks prior, he gets everyone distracted.
Also he’s a grown man saying things like “gang gang” and talking about his fake glory days….
Unfortunately, I agree that the new studio look is off. Look at Pardon the Interruption if you want to see how the show should look; large desk, split screens and close ups. The PTI model is also better for creating Tiktok type 30 second blurbs. Bringing in a proper desk would fix it.
The worst thing about the Caleb Smith takedown being overturned was the ref stalemated it quick after calling the 3. If it wasn't a takedown he should have had more time to convert. It was terrible.
Cp was saying Meyer going undefeated and four titles. Tyler is MUCH better than Ollie on this show.
Ben you’re pushing hard for JD to bully CP. I’m in favor of this motion.
Nice studio. But you’ve lost all credibility. So I guess it was worth it? V
Not to be annoying but Champions***
Tom Ryan after the dual “We want Rocco to believe he’s good on bottom” the issue with that is he’s not
yes, rogotzke is ohio state's best 184, but no, do not burn his redshirt. if you do that you are wasting a year of shumate's eligibility. i don't think ohio state is winning a trophy at ncaa's this year, and rogotzke isn't going to be a big enough difference to get them one.
somebody tell ben, peyton hall controlled olejnik in the dual. he's going off of rankings and not results. i think peyton hall gets 3rd at big 12's.
This atmosphere needs some work….plz go back to the split screen….Filming Ben on a TV makes it seem like he’s an OBJECT in the room….Plz keep Ollie away….much better without him….ur sound is way off compared to what it use to be…..It looks like you should have pipes with an ashtray stand next to you.
The Maryland coach in the handshake line said, you didn’t have to pin our guys….Ben said it best, this is Big10 wrestling, and if you get ur butt kicked, so be it.
The show direction is much better in this edition. The split screens used in the first episode in the new studio was terrible. This is much better! Thank you.
I can finally say 3 for a takedown instead of two, only took 2 months. Unfortunately, I am still writing 2023 on checks. Progress?
Ya Levantine must have gone to stall camp I have never seen anybody that’s good wrestle like that he could be a great wrestler if he changed his style because he is powerful
Feldman will place top 5
Sound too low.
Please fix the audio issue…..did not have this problem with the old set
Braedon Davis May win is this division !