Nick Wright on Chiefs-49ers Super Bowl, Mahomes & Kelce, Taylor Swift haters | Colin Cowherd NFL

Colin Cowherd & Nick Wright discuss the upcoming Chiefs-49ers Super Bowl. They talk about Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs NFL Playoff success. Who is next in line in the AFC? Jim Harbaugh is now the coach for Justin Herbert and the Los Angeles Chargers, so when do they expect Harbaugh to have the Chargers in Super Bowl contention? Colin and Nick defend Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce and don’t understand the hate. Is the NBA in trouble when LeBron James & Steph Curry retire and where does Jayson Tatum rank amongst the best players in the NBA? Is Patrick Mahomes the 2nd best QB of all-time behind Tom Brady already?

Timeline:
00:00:00 – Intro
00:03:10 – Will Jim Harbaugh & Chargers challenge Chiefs?
00:12:31 – Stop the Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce HATE
00:22:52 – What happened to local journalism?
00:33:49 – Is NBA too dependent on Steph & LeBron?
00:43:10 – Is Jayson Tatum a top 10 player in the NBA?
00:47:31 – Is Patrick Mahomes only trailing Tom Brady as QB GOAT?

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Welcome to the official YouTube channel for the Colin coward podcast go on hit the Subscribe button there you go right down there if you want to be among the first to hear my weekly takes NFL college football more right there all right Nick Wright’s about to

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Minute tickets lowest prices guaranteed all right Nick Wright we do this on Tuesdays it comes out on Wednesdays we do close to an hour we we talk about a lot of stuff we don’t normally talk about uh you know on the show which I like Nick has an updated I can see an

Updated a lighting scenario set up here for the podcast sometimes it’s got you know sometimes to sometimes I forget to clean the camera lens sometimes it looks like I’m in a submarine sometimes I’m trying to show off uh my wife’s beautiful interior design because as we’ve discussed we’re both married to

You know kind of different types of artists but then I’m told there’s glare of lights and everything so I figured you know I should probably just go ahead and get a real setup so yeah hopefully this is better for the viewers because as everyone knows when people are like

Hey I want to hear Nick Wright and Colin coward talk it’s because they like looking at us like that’s going to be the thing that really puts this over the top is the aesthetic um but yeah but uh I’m happy to do it I’m delighted to do

It today we can talk anything you want we like as we always do but you know kind of where my head is in so I I was saying this today on the show and I I touched on it briefly um after I’d had you on um what when you interviewed tomn

Brady yes right after you had me on first time you ever batted thirdd on my baseball I know I mean it’s unbelievable I mean hell of a lead off but go ahead sorry we had to move you up the order a little bit exactly right um I was saying

This that we judge coaches on a different scale Matt leflour goes nine and eight and I think universally we look at it and think that was a hell of a coaching job it’s the youngest team to make the playoffs 70 bills and I said this with Jim Harbaugh let’s consider

Everything you’re in distracted Market that you’re literally lost and you just came from San Diego where you played in a soccer stadium for two years so what is success for Hardball and I said today there’s a very real possibility over the next five years that to get to the Super

Bowl he’d have to face Mahomes and read three times yeah to and beat him in the last one right it’d be nice to at least beat him once in the first two but that if he won a division title twice in five years and he never got to a Super Bowl

But lost thrilling games it was Mahomes Herbert harb three times in six years I would judge that absolutely as a successful charger run that Phil mikkelson’s great he would have had 12 more Majors without Tiger Woods the Utah Jazz teams were actually really really good you know very well

The Houston Rockets yeah things are shortened when you’ve got magic tiger MJ LeBron how many people did LeBron keep out of the finals in the East and that Harbaugh and Herbert have to be judged on a scale of yeah you got Tiger Woods in his prime here so right which is why

I thought it was maybe an odd job to take I understand your point and it’s the right point which is it was the only job available with a great quarterback but let’s talk about if the goal is to get to the Super Bowl you probably have

To go two out of three three in a season against momes because if you lose both in the regular season you you don’t win the division very very hard to get swept by the Chiefs in go 0 and2 in the regular season but then win the division

Like how’s that going to happen so you’ve got at least split in the regular season so when you play in the playoffs it’s in your building and that’s the other sneaky tough thing about the Chargers is it’s eight or nine Road games and then eight or nine neutral

Sight games like they’re not going to have a huge home field advantage is a really really rough position to be in and so I don’t I wouldn’t necessarily hold it against them this is why people are wondering why it took so it was so quickly the Chiefs went to somewhat hate

It in in some circles so hated that some of the dumbest people in America think the Tale As Old As Time of super popular celebrity female dating Superstar athlete is a scop by the CIA get Biden reelected like ah man we got Jazelle and Tom over on them let’s try it again they

Didn’t know when it was Mickey Manel and oh my goodness uh the most famous woman ever to live Marilyn Monroe Marilyn Monroe we tricked them then let’s try it run it back one more time like give me a break um I think one of the reasons

People are I don’t think people are so sick of the Chiefs I think they’re so sick of the Patriots right into the Chiefs yeah so you the Patriots dynasty was 20 years and then they played the Chiefs in an AFC title game handed them the Baton

And now the Chiefs thing is started so in the AFC Colin 2011 to now there have been 13 AFC title games all right so 26 teams could have played in it 14 of the 26 are the Chiefs and the Patriots there have been in the last 13

Years the the 13 Super Bowls from the AFC five were Tom Brady four were Patrick Mahomes two Payton Manning and then flacko once and burrow once so if you’re in the AFC you’re like you’ve got to be kidding me like the Patriot thing just ended and now this thing is going

On and it just feels like you have so many if you’re in the NFC Matt Ryan gets to a Super Bowl Kurt Warner as a cardinal gets to Super Bowl cam gets Super Bowl Russell wasn’t you know there’s almost a democracy there in the AFC it feels like well I didn’t have

Tom pyton or or Patrick I’m drawing dead and so yeah I do think that did well let me ask you this was Philip Rivers Chargers tenure successful do you think the fans belt it was did they how did they feel well it was I said this today

Do you think San Francisco’s happy with Kyle Shanahan they have no rings do you think the dolphin fans were happy with Don schula whose last 22 years 16 times he didn’t make the playoffs or was one and done didn’t win a playoff game in 16

Of the 22 years he had Dan Marino do you think Don schula is no but he was facing other great teams in their Prime and so I I just think you have to grade on different scales I people this is why I don’t take um I don’t take championships as the be

Allend all Bill Russell had 11 Jordan six I mean Dicky Simpkins had three I mean we got to be honest about this stuff is that um the Utah Jazz were not a great team they were a very good team I don’t think Jordan kept them from greatness why because Malone’s an alimer

Stockton is and then it was kind of guys right like most of your great teams have three four five six and so but there are times where I think Harbaugh and Herbert we’re going to have to look at it and if they could get to a Super Bowl that is a

Big effing hurdle in the AFC now well yeah and I mean that’s the right now active starting quarterbacks who have been to a Super Bowl forget win it been to it I’m gonna try to do off top of my head obviously momes Jimmy grappo is not a starter anymore I don’t know if

Russell Wilson’s a starter anymore like he might not be he’s gonna get cut Rogers but he’s at the end so we’re talking about in their Prime so momes burrow Stafford there’s an obvious one I’m forgetting pry now obviously and we the list is running short you know what I mean like

The it is just getting there is so incredibly difficult that I agree with which is why I what here’s what I think does matter I do think these guys who want to be Kevin Clark who I know you know your Pal’s with he’s been on your

Show I think he’s great he said that that there are guys great Players whose entire NFL Legacy and history is going to be thought of entirely differently just because Mahomes existed the same way what Jordan did to a lot of people in the 90s like we look at them as X

When they should have been why because of Mahomes but it’s also why it’s so incumbent on those guys to not blow opportunities either when momes trips up or before you get to him so like Lamar Lamar’s going to get killed in the short term because of this game and that’s

Fair but he didn’t lose to the Texans before he got the chance you know what I mean like you lost to the champ like what I think is probably a tough one that Wilds asked me this today off the air like which AFC team right now is the

Most like Jesus like watching the Chiefs doing what they’re doing and I said I wonder if in a weird way it’s c Cincinnati I wonder if Cincinnati’s thinking man we beat him and then had a chance to win the Super bowl couldn’t close it out then next year had the ball

90 seconds left tie game could have beaten him again and didn’t close it out and then the next year when the chiefs were super vulnerable our guy gets hurt we don’t get their chance and now the next time Burrow’s on the field maybe T Higgins isn’t there do the Bengals

Quietly right now think man our best chances one that we just had and now we’ve got to kind of build it back up the bills thinking the same thing like the Ravens in a weird way I don’t think they look at it this like a massive

Blown opportunity I know it was but they they got beaten significantly the Chargers I think are just saying we would love an opportunity to have our hearts broken like I know that sounds crazy but we would love to be back playing in the games where there’s an opportunity to have our Hearts broken

And we look at Philip Rivers as a fringe Hall of Famer he made the conference title game one time because he had Brady pton and big Ben to go through and that’s hard man that’s hard you know what’s interesting uh we’ll kind of pivot to this the Taylor Swift thing

Where uh apparently mag is upset and uh and people are upset with that I did a rant today U that made you know it got a lot of play on I guess I guess I don’t see it tick Tok and something like that is that it’s so here’s what’s weird to me I

Think about this a lot how would my wife and my daughter and my stepdaughters judge me if I was bothered by 30 Seconds of Taylor Swift in a broadcast that lasts three and a half hours here’s what I always wonder about men they can’t have strong

Women in their life the fact that a man if I went on the air and I was outraged by Taylor Swift and I had like I have a really bright daughter and bright stepdaughters and a smart Savvy outspoken wife I have a sister who doesn’t really follow me but she’ll get

Stuff on Instagram or Tik Tok that’s my sister too not that all interested in what I do but sometimes gets sent to her yep always the non sports stuff but I always think about this if you’re a man and you have women in your life that you either love or

Respect don’t you have the self-awareness to know what an fing idiot and insecure dbag you look like being bothered by 24 seconds of Taylor Swift shots from a box in a three and a half hour broadcast all right listen Taylor Swift was shown almost to the

Second the same amount of time in the Chiefs Ravens game as crabcakes were so anyone pretending like oh it was too much they are projecting their own issues on it and it is it is partially yes everything like the I am it is hard to shock me these

Days at the things people will get mad about but this is shocking yeah this is this if there was ever a Feelgood story it’s hey this guy who prior aside I guess people don’t like Travis because he did the commercials for fizer like this is mean Nick Shaquille O’Neal and I know his

Agent will has taken he’s done 600 ads for a I mean he’s if you ask the answer is yes the answer is yes he’s doing it for the general he’s doing it he’s a tight end they don’t get commercials he’s at the end of his career and people

Are going hey will you do it for a million and a half the answer is yes a and also by the way even if so here’s why all right I’m going to be very honest here for a minute I find a lot of some of the people angry

About the vaccine stuff to be very intellectually dishonest because if the stance is like you have said don’t do mandates my body my choice whatever it is so be it but that must then also mean if Travis Kel’s like man I love the vaccine I think could save people’s lives

Scream from the mountain tops good for him like do whatever you want but they hate him because of it they they hate Travis Kelce and Aaron didn’t help this situation G Mr fer whatever Taylor like shockingly the vast majorities majority of Pop young pop stars throughout all of

American History tend to lean liberal now maybe she won’t in her 60s but there’s not a bunch of super popular 20-some year old musicians in American history who’s like man I’m hardcore conservative that is not what the you know what I mean what the artistic Fields typically are so these two people

Coming together and they just hate them they just hate them and they I think they hate them because they’re young they’re happy they’re goodlooking they’re successful and they are jealous guess what everybody’s probably a little jealous of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift it’s like well you got a billion five

Between you he’s the best ever at this you might be the best ever at that you do whatever you want but there’s a level of happy for you seems awesome there used to be a something of almost aspirational happiness on behalf of others I feel like when people saw Brady

And Jazelle there was an element of goddamn man it’s why you practice so hard in high school like you might literally end up marrying a supermodel like that’s and I know that’s kind of you know no I get what you’re saying guy stuff but that is part of it it’s like

You you know the the prom queen and the Jack athlete and all that stuff and I I I can’t conceptualize the people who hate these people they they get angry at it and they’re angry because Taylor Swift is shown Jason Kelce was shown more in one playoff game then Taylor’s

Been shown in all of them and I’m not talking about a playoff game he played in but go ahead well years ago one of the um really interesting pieces of advice I got years ago and this I remember where I was it was Las Vegas and it was a warm day in the

Summer and uh don Logan was my boss and I got hired at the baseball winter meetings I’m like 22 years old right out of college 21 22 and he had a big sales meeting to go to and it was a big one with the president they were trying to

Get some money from him to buy some Billboards and season tickets and so Don said this is a big one I’m going to do this myself I was really young out of college and uh he said go just here’s 20 bucks go play poker and so I sat next to

A guy at the union Plaza and he would he looked like he was Texas he had just sold radio or TV stations um in Texas or Arkansas and at the time that he looked Rich he had a really nice watch he deep tan white shirt good-looking guy with a lot of

Hair this a guy that lived life he was about probably 60 probably probably drank a little too much and had too much damn fun I without knowing what this guy looked like I know exactly what he looked like and I don’t know why I asked this

But I’ve done this with older men who I think are successful in in over the course of my life don’t do it anymore but I did at the time because now I am an older man but I asked people when I was in my 20s and early 30s we started

Talking about stuff and he told me about his life and he was playing and I’m just sitting there trying to twiddle in my thumbs I don’t really play poker and I said this is a weird question but um if you could give me you’re a really successful guy if you could give

Me um one piece of advice what would it be and he said um celebrate other people’s success not just your own you’ll be a much happier person and they’ll remember it and then the second thing he said we talked after that he said now this was this is Nick This is

40 years ago close to it 35 years ago I remember the white shirt the watch I mean I remember him he said go up do a test and he says tell somebody you make a million a year now at the time that was like time that’s nobody except maybe

A casino owner and he said their reaction will tell you if they will ever make seven figures if their reaction is no you don’t no you he goes they’ll never make it if their reaction is they lean in how’d you do it tell me more he goes you’re looking at a millionaire

Surround yourself with people that want to be on that journey and so my point is the people bothered by Travis Kelce Jazelle Tom Taylor Swift those aren’t successful people they resent success people that that want to be on this journey and they just love doesn’t matter what you do you

Don’t have to be rich but you love the journey you love other people you’re happy they’re not the ones outraged by this so I I agree with you to a degree I think you’re right that the people who didn’t like Tom and Jazelle and now don’t like Taylor and Travis those

People resent success my fear is that there are a different group of people maybe with some crossover who were not bothered at all previously by uh Tom and Jazelle but now have gotten so political tribal yes that if I know affirmatively you are on the other political team as me I hate

You I just I I I I actively hate you and that and and that is it’s like man I get it I I don’t get the hate but I understand if so if you feel someone is constantly preaching their politics even if you agree with them you can be like

Man it’s a bummer I’m you know what I mean I’m not here for it all of it but I don’t look at Travis doing the commercials as preaching politics at all I Taylor once every election cycle I think sends out a link about like registering to vote and I think she

Endorsed Obama I think like eight years ago that’s it if that level up like I I’ll give you an example I if I had the opportunity to sit down with Bill bellich yeah I would I I’d pay money for it if I could sit down and like pick his

Brain talk to him whatever ever it is I he doesn’t preach his politics I have you know he’s at the very least buddies with Trump I’m pretty sure like I think that’s where aligned politically I know conservative and I think he’s a trump guy knowing that doesn’t make me be like

Man I hope he never gets schula’s record I hope he’s unemployed forever like it’s like okay we we wouldn’t talk about those things and it is there is just a level of anger toward and a not only anger but also what I think has to be intentional stupidity the idea that

Important influential people including people who up until a few weeks ago were running for president were on the debate stage was like oh fix is in for Kanas City and it’s all the way to help Biden get reelected I’m like man Colin on the

On my drive into and we laugh at it all right on my drive in to work Monday the games were Sunday driving to work Monday the guy driving that I’m riding with him uh says to me he’s like hey you’re in sports right I’m like yeah he’s like man

What do you think about all this talk about the NFL being fixed and I’m like huh and he’s like yeah man it’s I mean it’s all over the Internet like that the and I and that moment kind of gave me pause cuz I’m like this guy clearly like was not a big

Sports fan just you know what I mean his youngish guy who’s just like man seems like a lot of people are saying the games are fixed and so we can laugh at the absurdity of it but then you wonder how many people see it like yep I buy

That well this is all this whole relationship’s a sham and it’s to help Joe Biden get elected does it feel like it’s gotten worse over the last five years the answer of course is yes here’s what I would theorize because over the last 5 to seven years the best media has

Gone behind a pay wall and people like streaming services have a limit on pay walls so I I have about 25 Services newspapers magazines the athletic 25 and I can write it off it’s my business but so what is free Twitter the internet so this huge group of people in America who

Just are tired of they go get their information from the internet it is a and listen I I went to New House journalism was my major this is something I I I don’t consider myself a journalist right you know in what I do right now I feel like when people ask me

Are you a journalist I say no they’re like you have a journalism degree and I say I feel the same way as like I’m not a cyclist I know how to ride a bicycle but I wouldn’t call myself a cyclist I I can do it but but it’s not what I I what

I currently do is you know Give opinions and and smoke fake cigars and do silly bits you know what I mean like I do the um but I think journalism is super important super important yeah and I think the the death of the local news local journalism is the wide ranging impacts

Of it that and the fact that the lack of faith and some of this is well earned and some of this is Bad actors kind of seizing on it that people have in authoritative sources and information and all of it to go along with the disintegration of local news is like a

Real crisis point in America and I this will never happen so it’s just pie in the sky but I would fully support fully support if you could get and you could make sure it was as bipartisan people from every political stripe imaginable being involved in the process of it

Making sure it’s true news not opinion just information uh in having what they have in other countries which is some Public Funding for hey yes here’s what’s going on and I yes the BBC works I understand what people hear from that like a state controlled media and right which is it

It’s the the well has been spoiled here too much to ever let that happen but something to where it was true news not opinion not anything because what what I don’t think people when we talk about like the biggest stories like and maybe you and I have talked about this before

So I apologize if I’m in reruns and we move on like Watergate will get broken no matter what the White House will be covered no matter what but if you don’t have a local newspaper there’s no one at the local courthouse right because there’s and there’s no way by the way

Subscriber based journalism pay journalism is worth having a courts reporter someone go to the waterboard meetings someone go to the school city council those things in small towns and that’s where the corruption starts from the slowest level and if all of a sudden you’re in a Medi you don’t have to be a

Tiny Town just a medium-sized City you know smaller than average town and you’re a judge that wants to be corrupt as hell on the take and you’re like there hasn’t been a reporter in my courtroom in six weeks yeah well guess what do whatever the I want to do

You know what I mean if you and so that is that and that could be liberal conservative it could be anybody oh 100% the no the corruption is does not have a political affiliation it has a greed affiliation and every there and so and so I think I think that stuff’s really

Important and I think it’s really important that there was an accepted level of what reality is not what you have to do like you know what you have to believe in but what reality is like it should not be in my opinion a viable opinion held by people and I that you

Know yeah Super Bowl might be fixed because Biden’s got his hand on the scale and I think right now one in 20 people believe it which is you just sounds like not a lot that’s 5% what’s 5% of 330 million people that’d be 7 million people are like no more than

That sorry about that it would be uh 17 million people are like yeah that’s probably it it’s un it’s unfathomable to me yeah um you know I was thinking about this I saw the ratings for both the AFC and the NFC Championship like 56 million people watch both unbelievable and I was

Saying this everything back baby yeah TV’s back so did I tell you my theory on this about everybody said Cable’s dead but I so if Tick Tock lost 40% of Their audience but it was only a platform for recipes Food videos restaurant reviews it would be an incredibly

Powerful but not weapon um platform for The Culinary industry so we always shared television with soap operas sitcoms dramas we no longer share it it is singularly ours cable TV is all sports and occasionally politics so people say Cable’s dying it is my ratings are up 40% yours are up 2,000%

It is now it is now singularly a platform for games opinions on games Stephen A’s numbers are up yours are up mine are up so this idea everything’s done no it’s not we don’t share the platform anymore and you that’s why I have 10 years left in this business TV

Is going nowhere that that’s right and so and by the way people are like how can your ratings how can Nicks ratings be up so much guys the key to Great increases in ratings is start from a very small number if you start from a small enough number you can increase by

Massive percentages um but uh the yeah so I think listen I think it was Contracting Contracting Contracting and then a the contraction slowed a bit you know and B the people who stayed are our people there people that want news information sports or they’re just really old you know what I mean like

Those people we probably weren’t getting anyway so I totally agree like if you were it it’s and the people who wanted sitcoms and dramas and miniseries they those people might have transferred you know I mean those people might have said I’m G to just just do Netflix and Prime

And whatever but the people that were into sports still are getting cable you know like and so the and they know how to get us so that is I have been amazed at the NFL the numbers this year you the conference Championship games did 56 and 57 or whatever it was the divisional

Round Chiefs bills two of the smaller markets some of Buffalo’s audiences in Canada that doesn’t count did 50 million people 50 million Nick I said this today on the air everything now in sports is Niche everything except the NFL and I do think because of college football’s 12

Team playoff the ability to bet on football and its connection to the NFL it will stay viable it will it will remain viable the NBA though hockey and baseball mLs are getting increasingly International and the downside of that the skill levels never been deeper and greater for all these sports hockey

Baseball soccer in America MLS and in the NBA the skills never been greater but it is a harder ask for busy Americans to say hey do you follow the European League you don’t know these players they they usually go to bad teams they don’t make a playoff impact until year three four

Five people are busy college football makes it so easy to follow the NFL I watch Marvin Harrison with a Buckey crush and then all of a sudden he shows up on the Arizona Cardinals I’m just a huge fan people already people are gonna have and probably somewhat unfairly

Towards him in some regards people are gonna have strong opinions on Caleb Williams before he steps onto the field you know what I mean like you’re familiar with him that never happens in college basketball I so and I don’t know if you saw it DraftKings the leader in

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Collins c i n the crown is yours a week ago a women’s college basketball game yes outr an NBA game on the same time yeah real NBA game which a is a testament to the women’s college game right now is Elite and with stars the the the quality of play is super high

Because nobody’s turning pro early obviously because you make more money as a Star College female player than you can I shouldn’t say more you can make maybe equivalent money as in the WNBA so you have cohesion you have stars you have all this stuff um but I can you

Know how much I love the NBA right I am disappointed right now in the league and a little worried about the league yeah same same so I’m disappointed in that Saturday should have been an amazing day in the NBA I had it written I was like oh I want to watch that yeah

Yic embiid and embiid can’t play and then the night cap Steph LeBron these two guys who are are combined 75 years old put on a show okay we’ll keep doing what we’ve been doing for the last 10 years which is carry this goddamn league on our two backs these two guys yeah and

Love and respect to them it’s unbelievable you know I’ve told you I think Steph does not get enough credit for being as great as he is at 35 because LeBron is doing what he’s doing at 39 so people think 35 is not that old when 35 is Jordan’s last year with the

Bulls is 35 like right um but I think the NBA though from a strategic perspective has made a mistake which is that Warriors Lakers game you know did almost four million people that’s a real number for the NBA on a Saturday night that’s the night you take out your

Wife you go out and hang out party I I think the NBA can’t help themselves but to put those two guys in Kevin Durant front and center yeah and I think it’s a mistake I think that if just sorry I’ll mix metaphors a bit let’s say you told

FS1 I’m gone in two years you told him I’m gone and they looked at the numbers and they said okay Colin shows the strongest show he’s our biggest brand he’s all of it and they put all of the marketing behind you because they’re like well it’s it’s it gets the best

Numbers it’s this then the moment you leave right there’s there’s not uh they haven’t built anything up the NBA in my opinion should say okay Lakers Warriors will do the best number but we can get 80% of the audience if we feature Anthony Edwards and we need to

Start getting the public ready for when LeBron and Steph aren’t there and instead the NBA just keeps riding these guys and they got away with it because they did it with Jordan yeah and they only got away with it because Shaq and Kobe you know what I mean came together

And we’re we’re there there’s no sha and Kobe right now you’re going to have to create Anthony Edwards Tatum this NE you’re gonna have to make them stars and to still put all your eggs in the LeBron Steph Durant basket from a ratings perspective well don’t be disappointed

Then when LeBron and Steph’s teams one misses the playoffs and one is out in round one and all of America’s like you want me to give a about joic against the Timberwolves I don’t like they haven’t primed the audience for that and I think it’s a mistake I think

It is a shortterm thinking Mistake by Adam Silver so I’ll defend him so the bottom line as a business owner um is ultimately you need the revenue and I need the revenue to hire new young people and so what leagues the leagues are going to squeeze every last ounce

Out of momes in 15 years and there’ll be other quarterbacks that come up but if the other quarterbacks are great they’ll be able to start fresh hot out of college and get popular but the legacy is so imprinted with Brady and Tampa you just had to put them on every week you

Nobody Jaylen Herz not interested uh young Kyler Murray not interested we’re going to at CB at Fox we’re putting Brady on we’re squeezing every ounce of think the NFL can do it because people will show up for the football the NBA they show up for the stars and you’ve

Got to create them if they’re not natural that’s what I’m saying like I the NFL I think can do it the NBA needs to teach the audience to care about Anthony Edwards like that you’ve brought up and you’re right they’re in a weird spot already because all the best

Players are international guys but let me argue this doesn’t the end ba get in trouble when it tries to teach people things be black lives matter we’re going to teach you about things well it turned off a lot of fans who go to sports to escape it doesn’t bother me it doesn’t

Bother you but I’ve never thought I’m the audience I think leagues get in trouble when they try to tell you hey we’re going to teach you a few things about politics about business I think you just have to put the popular people on and just it’s not boxing where if you

Put an old fighter on you worry about his mental health and what do you doing to his brain it’s like Stephen LeBron are still by the way they’re both still insanely good yeah I listen you and I the this is one we might just not even

Be able to we’re not going to agree on because I I would take on this I agree with you if you’re trying I don’t want to learn my civics or political lessons from my sports leagues it’s was stupid to begin with um even if I think for a

Lot of these guys their the message was right or their heart was in the right place that’s right um I think they can take a a page out of the book of wrestling wrestling creates Stars you know like they they just say this guy is gonna be a star and our

Audience is GNA know it because he’s gonna headline WrestleMania because we’re going to put him last on Raw because we are going to make it and for a guy we decide is going to be a star for him not to end up being a star he’s

Going to really have to screw this up because we are pushing pushing it I think that you can I don’t think you can turn a nothing player um average or just Fringe Al I don’t let me put it like this I don’t think they could trick America and

Being like listen and Nick fans are gonna get mad at me jayen Bronson’s the new face of the league you can’t make the 17th best player to be like he’s taking the chorch from LeBron I understand that but you can pinpoint a few guys and be like we are going to

Market Luca Giannis Anthony Edwards and Jason Tatum and we are occasionally going to take 1.8 million people watching a Celtics Mavs game over 2.2 million people watching a warrior Sons game because those those people that were were are going to be playing for the next 10 years

And Stephan Durant aren’t so I just think that would be the longer term better decision because I don’t think they have a post LeBron plan I don’t think they do yeah well they struggled with David Stern to have a post Jordan plan and and Kobe saved it it was you

Know what I mean like Shaq and Kobe saved it go ahead so you you keep lists on the NBA I have always been not lukewarm I don’t want to be marginalized I’ve always been I like Jason Tatum but he sort of lack uh we talked about this last time yes

Yeah it just kind of lacks but I can acknowledge I like him a lot I’d love to have him on a team he’s a one I’m not denying that yes I’m not sure he’s a championship one so I want to ask you our domestic players and I think a lot

Of this has been coming over 30 years due to a I don’t think it makes better players I think it it sells better players it it it it heightens their uh hype and and and awareness of play players Jaylen Green’s a great talent nobody knows who he is it’s the aou guys

Don’t go to had he gone to Duke for two years you know who he is because we watched Marge Madness so I like the college route for marketing not the academic side the marketing for the kids but right now domestic players there’s not many great ones there’s a lot of

Good ones I want you to rank where Jason Tatum is and I’m talking game seven pick your star okay so who do you go with all right does it hold on are you saying I’m I’m pulling up right now just the NBA standings because that helps me Orient

The players I’m talking about it’s a game seven this is how I judge great players of course who would you watch critical spot in the playoff series yeah um and you’re saying only intern only American or all the whole league everybody I want to see where Tatum

Ranks for you okay all right guys I would have ahead of him Giannis no doubt it’s very interesting because embiid throughout the in every situation except for the one you just said embiid I don’t know about him you know what I mean like in a game seven spot but so

But embiid’s I he’s 35 a game put an asteris next to him uh no one on the Knicks not Brunson no one on the Cavs not Donovan put halberton with a he’s not there yet he’s close Jimmy Butler yes Jimmy Butler is ahead of him in these

Circumstances sorry he seven so I one two three four five I’m at eight before I get to him I’m at eight right now okay so I’m just going down the list hold on uh are you writing down who I say or no no I’m gonna give you mine but you go

I’m gonna tell you okay that’s fine said right no order I’ve said Giannis for sure Jimmy Butler no one on Orlando no one on Chicago no one on Brooklyn Atlanta okay Minnesota and I don’t know about Anthony Edwards uh I mean he’s very very close he’s amaz

Oklahoma City joic yes if he’s healthy Kawai yes like again if we’re assuming health I’m gonna jump in I’m gonna tell you right now game seven and some of this is unproven but it’s the way I feel about their game okay two minutes left I take jic Luca

Giannis SGA KD kawhai Lebron Steph Jimmy Butler and a game seven that is nine players over him I at 10 and now we can argue I don’t even think those are arguments I trust SGA two minutes left to make a shot so I and again Tatum is

At this point better than LeBron over the course of an entire season right but if I get him in the that part that part I totally agree with you the only one I can’t go with you on yet is SGA because he now benefits from the fact that we’ve

Never seen him in those spots so we don’t know if he be bad in it like SGA right now is First Team all NBA oh yeah and Tatum is not it’s going to probably not SAA is a pure score he’s a he’s not as good both but as a pure he’s not as

Big I agree with all that I just need to see him in the it’s the same reason I couldn’t put Anthony Edwards there because I got to see him in the spot before it but yeah so that that is and that is why and we talked about this

Last time that is why PE and people get mad but for Tatum needs the exact team he has which is a great Supporting Cast because in every meaningful playoff series he plays the other team’s going to have the better the better number one like you know what I mean against the

Heat against the Bucks maybe not against the Sixers just because embiid hasn’t proven it in the playoffs yet and anyone out west that makes it to the finals pardon me the other team’s gonna have the be and again that’s not indictment it’s just reality of how the NBA Works

Which is why he needs to have the better two three four five which he very well may that Celtics seems damn good but it’s it’s going to have to be in the model of as we’ve talked about the 04 Pistons kind of the model of the 08

Celtics where it’s the collection of all of the talent around it to overcome the Superstar right let’s end on something um fun so one of can I ask you before we end real quick just because you said lists and it got my brain going yeah right now this

Moment is and I have to ask you a Mahomes question before we end is Mahomes in your opinion a top two all-time quarterback yes so that’s a that’s that’s that’s interesting you just found our final topic so okay I have no problem separating Raw Talent from productivity

I don’t think Bill Russell’s nearly as good as Kareem was or is dominating his Shaq um but he was more productive I can separate those two I think most fans can you certainly can where momes I think Marino is significantly is one of the most gifted throwers if not the most gifted thrower

I watched his prime he was a machine big strong fast quick he was like Aaron Rogers with more size more of a power arm I mean he had all it was just he was he he was better than lway at just throwing a ball and lway was great

Marino I never seen anything like lway think of Aaron Rogers was it just he was bigger and more natural no JC he was the best high schooler the best college guy he just had those rumors that hurt him in the draft but he wasn’t productive like a Brady or a Manning so

What you’re seeing with Mahomes now is the the most naturally gifted player including Marino he’s the most naturally gifted yep and now the production isane it’s insane and and I pushed back early when Tom beat him a couple times I’m like let’s slow down okay now he’s stacking

Chips like Po he stacking everything you have to win a couple World Series of poers you know you could be the bigger brain let’s say you’re an academic and and you you’re beating the late Doyle Brunson and who’s a smart guy but you’re like viewed as this Elon musky smart guy

But you can never win the World Series of Poker you win six out of seven okay then you’re the greatest so so that so listen momes it just on the accomplishments route I look at it like a marathon and if you ever or look at the Olympics if you’re watching someone

Run the 1600 meters after one lap they tell you are they on world record Pace right yeah no one can to be like up hadn’t done it yet it’s like well the race ain’t over all we can do is Judge the pace so Brady we did this on the

Show today 22 Seasons as a starter because you take out both of their rookie years because luckily both of them didn’t play the rookie years 22 Seasons as a starter seven Super Bowls which is bananas that’s 31 32% 10 Super Bowl appearances that’s 45% 14 um Conference Championship games that’s

64% momes as of this moment two Super Bowls in six years that’s 33% just ahead of Brady four Super Bowl appearances in six years that’s 67% way ahead of Brady and six for six on conference Championship games that’s 100% that’s way ahead if he wins in two weeks now

He’s 50% of his years as a starter he’s won the Super Bowl 67% he’s been there and the other two years he lost in overtime the round before so the production he is on Pace to shatter everybody’s the numbers he’s on Pace to shatter everybody’s so this is where I

So you said I like lists so this is my quarterback lists and it it is um kind of a rich tapestry of raw talent accomplishments eye test all of it Brady is one for now momes is two Hatton Manning is three Joe Montana four Elway Marino is really hard

5665 because lway went into five Super Bowls has more MVPs has more rings and I kind of feel like but Marino was better like I I know that sounds shitty but and then rounding it out of guys like what I would call modern era so like post Bradshaw starbu post that is Rogers

Brett and the guy who I think is the most underrated um of all time in Steve Young yes yes he is Young was the closest thing to momes before momes as far as creativity athleticism crazy so like I think if momes like I’m ready to say

Mahomes is was is better than pton manik like I have him ahead and pton won five MVPs and I think he can run down Tom I don’t and I don’t think he Tom did something interesting because Tom was on with you you know he did a couple

Interviews today and in one of them he was asked about momes and Tom said you know was talking about how great he is and all these things and then he was like listen man because he was asked about someone else being the goat and he said at the end it

Was so it was so slick he was like listen if anyone can get to Seven Super Bowls like I want to shake their hand cuz I know like he’s he made it very clear oh yeah someone else can be the goat they better get seven Rings though because I don’t want to hear

Nothing about someone because he knows Seven’s gonna be hard but and so he’s like that’s the standard and just to be clear get to seven and we can talk but I don’t think you have to get to Seven like the point I always make forget Russell Michael Jordan retired the first

Time retired in 1993 um had three rings magic was still playing at that time had five Karim had just retired had six you know what they put on Michael’s statue the greatest there ever was the greatest there ever will be they weren’t counting rings then they were like no we

Saw him he’s better than everybody he’s the best nobody ever started by the way counting Rings until Michael got the most and then people were like oh we got to count the Rings um and he’s still I mean the kind of the most uh and so I

Brady Brady does have it’s not like Brady doesn’t have eye test up Brady is yeah as great of a leader clutch all of it by by the way by the way throws as good a bad weather ball as I’ve ever seen super important super important Thea stuff all the great organizations

Are North right yeah exactly right and so all that matters so I’m not trying to discount Tom at all but Patrick’s got a path here if they can win they they traded away Tyreek Hill and said we’re taking the Long View of it yes it was right defense we have the

Second this year the Chiefs have the second youngest defense in football if the first two years without Tyreek Hill they peel both Rings yeah then all of a sudden you’re back ahead of the pace and people throw the two and 0 at me all the

Time he was two and 0 listen the Super Bowls the Super Bowl Tampa kicked mahomes’s ass everybody go rewatch the 2018 AFC title game that’s one of the two wins and tell me who played better that game like don’t you can’t hold that one against Patrick Brady got Rings

Before and after Randy Moss I’ve made this argument the dominating star receiver is actually not good for titles you can win but it becomes very important the receiver wants to be fed the quarterback wants to feed him you start calling the game to appease or appeal the star is that the truth is

What always made Grady good he always had two it was Ron and then Edelman it was Welker and then Moss so he did and by the way James White yeah Brady had I mean Edelman goes down is one of the great playoff GES ever but it was never

An Edelman he’s great on your show by way oh he’s fantastic can you hold on can go ahead finish but but it’s interesting it shouldn’t be lost that I can argue uh uh Tyreek Hill was terrific but not having him allows you to have Dimensions defensively that you wouldn’t

Have and it also allows you to be less predictable so two things one is do me a favor and I never ask you to do this but the next time edelman’s on off the air tell him please Nick Wright says I love your spots with Colin and I would like a

Truce years a years ago he’s one of the many people that in my maybe feistier days I talked to little online too and he talked back to me and now I’m like gosh darn it we’re colleagues I think he’s probably like a that guy’s an so if you can maybe vouch I’m

Not that bad of a guy I tell at the very least tell him that I think he does awes I love his spots with you I love it I think he does a great job um so here is you know in the 10 days we have of

Content between now and the Super Bowl I talked about this today it is you putting your brain on this I think would create days of stuff the last pass momes ever threw to Tyreek is one of the most fascinating moments now that we can look back on it so it’s

Also the last time he threw an interception in the NFL playoffs it’s also the end of the only bad game of his whole playoff career it was an overtime to Cincinnati it was they had a dominating lead if you remember Patrick screwed up before the half like tried to get a

Touchdown and threw it short of the Zone they didn’t get a field goal but no one cared because it was 213 or something close to that and then they lost they lost and Patrick fumbled through two thre a pick they go to overtime and on

Third and 10 he throws a perfect bomb to Tyreek hits Tyreek in the hands but it’s double covered and it’s 40 yards downfield even though it’s perfect pass Tyreek doesn’t quite get it hits him in the face mask bounce caught Cincinnati four plays later field goal and the Chiefs lose yeah since that

Moment Patrick stopped taking sacks in the playoffs and has not thrown a single pick alltime NFL record for longest stretch that moment and and also while his passer rating has stayed the same his yards per game have dropped by 70 from pre from that up to that moment to

Right now and you saw it in the second half against against Baltimore Baltimore’s got a great defense and they did some good things but the other thing that happened was the chiefs were up 10 points and Patrick said you know what if I don’t turn the ball over we can’t lose

Yeah and I am going to do something Tom did forever which is manage the rest of this game to get us to the finish line and I find it to be a fascinating like fork in the road of my numbers aren’t going to be as good it’s not going to be

As flashy my not be as fun but they haven’t lost in the playoffs since then he has taken five sacks in six playoff games three of them he had a broken ankle essentially two of them were against the number one defense in the league it hasn’t mattered when you can’t

Rely on something it’s almost like if you do well in life how much money do you give your kids in their 20s right if yes can depend on that $3,700 a month check you’re you’re incentivizing them to take the $3,700 check de incentivizing them if you can throw a rainbow to Tyreek Hill

Why read through your progressions you take an extra second in the pocket waiting for the big play you become innately less patient more willing to sit in the pocket bad things happen for even momes when you hold the ball a long time so I think it’s it’s the classic it feels

Good but it doesn’t necessarily make you a better quarterback what makes a great quarterback is efficiency get rid of the ball uh multiple reads mix it up don’t be predictable you can become and I’ve saw this with Dak and Dez Bryant Dak Dak was actually better when he had a little

Zeke you got a little you got a little maybe it was Jason Whitten you got a little lamari Cooper when you became very and by the way Dez would get into the end zone but people know Dez demands the ball so you kind of know big play

They’re going to Dez well what does a defense want to know what you’re doing and so that’s why this Chiefs team’s interesting because we know where he’s going with the ball it’s Travis Kelce which is why the defense matters even in this game Sunday they’re not dropping 34

Anymore in these games that’s not who they are they are more predictable in this brief window so they weren’t last year by the way they were less predictable in the Super Bowl this year they’ve been a little offensively predictable so even though they’re not and we can leave it to this here’s the

Here right now and it won’t if next year the offense struggles again this will wear off yeah but right now despite the fact they’re not dropping 34 they still benefit from the fact that every team they play is terrified they will and they with themselves about it the

Bills the third play of the game Josh Allen’s like oh my God if we don’t get this first down we are screwed he’s throwing a lateral 10 yards past line scrimmage because and in the fourth quarter it’s a three-point game in the fourth quarter they’re fine sh mcc’s

Like fake punt got to do something because Mahomes on the other side the the Ravens were never down more than 10 and they abandoned the run immediately because I think in part because they’re like oh my God we’re playing Patrick Mahomes like even though they’re not scoring that they instill this fear that

Gets the other team out of what they normally would do because they think they’re going that the Chiefs could at any point drop 30 on them even though they haven’t done it throughout the whole year it’s unbelievable you know it’s it’s the it’s the legacy of greatness that they terrify people

Without actually doing what they used to do yes they’re in everybody’s head you can see it with Buffalo you can see their game plan they didn’t want to throw the ball down the field they wanted to control the clock so they didn’t give it back to Mahomes exactly

Right average 17 a game over like a nine game stretch I mean let’s but to your point okay that’s what happened this was all right an hour um next listen I uh I then I don’t think I’m available in a week which is uh gonna be great

Because it means the next time we talk will be you know right after we’ve won another championship in Kansas City the new title town and we can really talk Dynasty and all that stuff and then we turn our attention to the NBA it’ll be great maybe I’ll have an even better lighting

Setup I don’t know I think this one was good I love I love the pennet and oh look that’s the original Dream Team oh this camera moves with me I can’t even move it that’s the original Dream Team and that’s Satchel pagee in the Kanas City Monarch who’s running your camera

China what’s going on I don’t I I’ll be honest I don’t know I can’t believe it moved when I moved which means there’s some artificial intelligence thing going on here which is I didn’t sign up for I think I was probably a mole in my house yeah I’ve been living on artificial

Intelligence my entire career that you know what that’s what they always say I’ll talk to you soon see you col all right see you Buddy