Fully Equipped’s Jonathan Wall is joined by one of the most revered master craftsmen in the game today, Scotty Cameron, to discuss everything from his new line of Phantom mallet putters to never-before-heard stories from his time working with Tiger Woods. This exclusive 90-plus minute interview is one you truly do not want to miss!
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All right well it’s been a minute since I’ve been here Scotty normally you and I talk and it’s over the phone but it is really good to see you in person oh thank you how you been wow busy busy um a lot of changes going on Staffing and
Setting for the future and and getting people that I’ve respect in the industry and and um you’re only as good as your people and the people create the products and the products create the sale so without the right people so just uh busy you know trying to focus on the
Product but build a staff around me to take it to the next level we’ll start one off okay with a biggie okay what was your car choice for the ride into the office today it’s a GMC Denali okay but I just got a new Ford and I’m a Chevy
Guy but I love this Ford uh King Ranch okay I saw this car three years ago and I I was on the lookout and last three years it’s been tough to find trucks any found this truck I’m in love with it though I’m a Chevy my father was but I
Bought a Ford and it’s a uh the biggest engine it’s a 7.3 liter called a Godzilla gas motor and it’s so ridiculous I don’t even want to know what the miles per gallon is it’s like six but I I love my trucks I have an old
Ford I have a new for and I drove it Den Alan today but the cars inspire me they make me happy that was that was the reason why I kicked it off with a car question so I want to know how old were you when you first said I want to make
Putters for a living wow so my father passed when I was 13 and I spent from n age nine to um early 13 um dreaming with him he was an insurance investigator and two handicap great golfer and he loved tinkering in the garage he liked peman Woods he liked
McGregor he liked George bear he loved Tony Penna and I got hooked over the head just got hit when the zebra came out and it had a head cover it had a leather stripe had all the stripes and had adjustable Soul so it was interactive you could adjust the weight
And I got hooked on Putters so I would try to make putter he bought me a tabletop meal for the garage and at age 10 I’m working on a meal with aluminum and my father overseeing it then he’ let me go and um when he passed I just kept on making
Putters because I love the game um and I would make Putters and every time I made myself a new putter I was excited and I puted quite well but then as that putter got old I got bored with it then I started not even thinking
About it and put it poorly so every time I had a new putter I got excited yeah so I think even in today I when I get excited you know about a new product I got some new titles irons um Bill got them for me and
Um T 100 t00 15s 15s yeah little bit little bit more speed and forgiveness with a new shaft and um game changers I’ve been I like when I like a club or I like a wedge I stick with it m but my clubs got late shipped from Japan I was
Going back to Hawaii clubs weren’t here they put together a set in the tour department for me and they kind of recommended and Game Changers I mean I’m hitting I’m a a club club and a half further the feel is better so I don’t like to switch Yeah but I switch to the
New and I won’t go back to the old it’s just a little bit better a little bit further um makes the game more enjoyable do you find that the way you are with Putters when like the putter in your bag do you do you find yourself ever going back to
Like maybe the one one in your bag isn’t working do you go back to an older one or is it like okay what’s next what can I do to improve this so that I can get more enjoyment when I’m on the course so it’s weird in my brain I’m always
Thinking how can I do it better so the look The feel the aiming the alignment the finish the shaft the shaft the grip down to the head cover down to the colors of the paint the site dots the site lines so I’m always thinking so
When I do a new line like the new Phantom it’s a little bit of um did I miss anything last year did was it a feel so I’ll go out to the tour and the guys come here to the studio and pick their brains do you like this do you
Like this because a lot of guys can’t tell you what they want but if you hand them two things they’ll tell tell you I do I don’t I do I don’t do you like the sideline no do you like the Finish it’s too shiny do you like the grip eyes do
You but they can’t tell you what they want until you hand it to them they’ll tell you exactly if they like it or not so picking the brains of these guys a lot of that goes into the next line and it’s like I didn’t think of that so
Therefore in the next line is always a way to bring the new stuff that you’ve heard felt and feel into the next line I feel like it’s a really good segue into into Phantom got a new Phantom line coming out D Phantom is has been wildly successful and you know for me I’m
Looking at it through the lens of like wildly successful on tour I know a lot of golfers everyday golfers out there love Phantom Putters but I always find that whenever there’s something that’s really good it’s like what’s next like how can you how can you make it better
Kind of to your point so when you’re looking at a putter line like Phantom that’s had so much success like what is that first thing when you were saying well we need to let’s come up with a new Phantom like but let’s do these things
To try and make it better what were some of those like top of mind for you that you wanted to improve well when you have a really good something like um the Justin Thomas the Phantom 5 um that all started here with him and his father in here talking about he’s a
Newport 2 forever and he wanted better alignment he couldn’t see the the line on the back so I said let’s do something a little longer so anyhow we uh put together a putter we cut off a neck he wanted a plumbing neck he wanted a little neck so
We just experimented what do you like what don’t you like let’s look at this um but sometimes when you hit something so good for example right now our new Port two and our select line is so good the shape the face profile the sole the soft triole the back the way it
Flows sometimes when you get into as you said what do you change sometimes the goal is don’t screw it up yeah that’s a good point you know I don’t everone to hands a putter to somebody and said what the hell is that that doesn’t look like
That at all so sometimes when you get really good at it cuz we have Putters on our tour side we call masterful and Timeless and Craftsman I think those three names are cool because when you get really good at something whether it’s piano or violin or you become it becomes
Masterful then when designs are really good doesn’t matter when they come they’re Timeless so those names to me mean a lot masterful and Timeless um but the Phantom line yeah we have a new one coming and I have a new uh gentleman that helps me now and I
It’s always nice to have a great design person with you that can you know you can feed stuff to looks good looks bad um he’s got a decent resume too he does he’s been around a while I’ve you know what I’ve always been a fan even though we were direct competitors for
Years he’s always a gentleman always a nice guy but I think he was governed from their price point you know yeah make plastic make make a casting my goal when I started with ti list was I don’t care what it cost I want to make the best but he he never had that
Luxury he was always so um did did Wally kind of when you when you started working with idolist was was that one of those things the conversation of hey I want to make the best and was Wally on board with like the best isn’t GNA come cheap like
It’s it’s gonna it’s gonna take time it’s gonna take money it’s gonna take like R&D to to get there was he on board from the start me our talk it really never an interview with wall it was more of a talk and we hit it off about cars
And stuff and he says I want you to do what you do best and what you don’t want to do let us take care of that so he was just the absolute master and he he said during that talk when I was joining with
Him it took six months for us to come to I didn’t want to do it right but he made it so enticing why didn’t you want to do it I had worked for bigger companies before I set on my little putter company Scott Camp Scott Cameron Golf
International and I just wanted I was building Putters for other companies without my name like Ray Cook like Founders like Cleveland Classic uh Max Fly um and everybody had you had to keep it under $100 and I’m like just charge more for it had to be under
$100 but you use it more than any other club in your bag that makes no sense and also it can dry for show putt for dough um so Wally had this hey you do some great stuff do what you do best and let us do the rest and I may have told you
I thought my little company hit it big when we got a fax machine cuz I went International so he was the absolute Gem of a boss he told me one time he goes uh let me know if you need me to block and tackle he says I want you to stay
Innovative I want you to stay on that dotted line and if you cross over that line let me know so I can block and tackle for you I mean and he said let the kid dream I was back then I was a kid and I thought well why can’t you um
So I just wanted to build at the end of the day I wanted to build cool that’s my goal every January I have a talk with my art people and my uh staff and if we won’t use it we won’t put it in the market and I love when I hand a
Putter to a Jordan or a just or BR Faxon or whoever and their eyes light up yeah cuz I want that feel whether it’s a car in my eyes light up or I got a new watch and my eyes light up uh but golf equipment speaks to you and when you
Find the right stuff that’s such a great feel yeah all right so back to Phantom what is it about the the new one when people see it like they’re they’re going to say well it’s Phantom what’s what’s new what is what is that one thing that you would say makes this
Version different than the previous few things in that um Austy rollinson came from another company um my major competitor the largest putter company at the time until we surpassed that um and bouncing ideas off him and him off me and taking the best of what
He’s done and the best of what I’ve done there’s a certain things in this we talked about alignment if you can’t align a putter isn’t that a kind of important so in the design not necessarily in the sight lines but in the design of the product without you knowing it it aims
Itself you what what how can that be but when I show you in the product it’s kind of subliminal of the design everything even the shaft Bend aims down your target line because I was beating up osty and some of the shaft bins he did in the past were just
Horrible so we beat each other up say now now you guys can be honest with each other you’re underneath One Roof it’s awesome it’s awesome like we beat each other up like why would you have done that that was so stupid but he did some
Awful shaft bins in the past and I told him why I like this why I didn’t like that and um so it was great working so this is really the first of having somebody to run things and what a great guy because his experience of you know 30 plus years like mine
Um magical but you’ll see the product and when I point these things out you’re like I didn’t see that but that makes perfect sense there’s like four or five different alignment things that we put into the product so the goal is the Phantom Line’s been very successful don’t screw
It up make it better and we can point out the things that make it better on why sound feel performance alignment shaft Bend a new grip well how can a grip make big believer in grips when you hold a grip in your hand it kind of matches the head
Or it doesn’t match the head um because first thing you feel you’re not feeling the head you’re not feeling the shaft you’re feeling the grip and the grip starts talking to you on what you expect the head to look like MH um great players of the past just talked about
How skinny grips worked with softer hands and release so we have found and through working in the studio with great players what grips mean and what it says the head should look like so I I love that kind of stuff we’ve had some great players I I wish I
Could mention all these names great players in um but just to have the time to sit and talk design with these greates and having an access for them to come into the studio and just talk you know you can learn so much then you come back and you know six weeks say
Is this what you’re talking about and their eyes light up yeah so finding special things or listening heavily enough to them and coming back with something working together and getting ideas and confidence on products they want to use yeah when you are talking to tour Pros
Are you are are they mostly just coming here to have those conversations are you going out on tour um every every way okay um for example I’ll go out to seven tour events a year and I always like the great ones like Hawaii I was to
Say but I have a great you’re not going to John Deere Scotty try cities oh man um I used to I know you did but now now you get to pick your schedule exactly exactly but as I get older I’ve just turned 61 you know these
Younger touring Pros uh want to kind of chat with more of what younger guys that they can but when they get in here I always give the courtesy of going down checking on them what can I do to help and um I learned so much from these guys
Even the young guys um so the generations that I’ve you know I’ve been working with the Arnold Palmer’s of the world then you had your other Marco mir’s of the world then you have your younger Justin Thomas Jordan speed of the world now we’re getting into the
Next phase of these young kids so over you know I’m approaching 40 years in the golf business that that actually brings up an an interesting question which is how has your time working with tour Pros changed over the over the years over the decades um like what were working with
Those guys when you started early on like what were they looking for in a putter versus like today’s touring Pros that have you know launch monitors and and motion capture like how has that changed and how has that kind of forced you to evolve right right so way back um
You didn’t have all the tools you know at couldn’t afford CNC computer numerical controlled machines and Milling machines so a lot of Putters were castings or full forged um working with some of the greates know you had forged items you know um Tommy armor IMG 5s and you had
Wilson 802s great heel shafted Putters uh that felt soft but then when you got into the later periods of castings they were very hard so when you talk to say Arnold Palmer what is soft to him versus a David Duvall years later um he liked more of a with a
I’m not going to use the company name because I shouldn’t but they had a slot in the bottom of the Putter and it made us sound like Ping and um and it was a different sound so a David Duval and a Justin Leonard would talk about the sound a lot they called
That soft well the era prior to them or a couple they called something else soft so you’re trying to pick the brain of the touring Pro what do you want to hear MH so then you start working on these sounds and speed slots and Trillium inserts to hit
Sound then people come along with hard golf balls and you’re like wait a that just threw a whole Monkey Wrench in there of tuning Putters around what they want to hear then you put a different golf ball in and that changes everything so you’re trying to stay up on things on
Golf balls because it sound uh changes but of what the player wants so if you ask you know an era of a Arnold Palmer versus a David Duval versus a Jordan spe sound and feel are different depending on what they grew up with that’s a really good point so it I’m
Thinking I’m thinking Phantom and how the guys that have their current ones did they give you any sort of feedback going back to just the feedback you have with the tour Pros what kind of feedback did they give you during the during the design process anything they
Wanted to see I mean you you talk about the alignment which I think is so fascinating because not a lot of golfers really consider that they’re always looking at like what does the putter look like how does it how does it does it so correctly but what was what kind
Of feedback were they giving you during that design process for example um face height um and the way that looks to their eye mhm and I found I had this thought and I but having it confirmed is kind of eye openening I had a player in he said
Scotty your New Ports New Port TW a face have been getting taller I said they have been I’ve gone to a little high toe right he said it’s gotten to a point this player said where get so tall in order for me to hit the center
Of the putter I feel like I have to forward press it okay if the face is too shallow I feel like I hit the top of the face so I have to come up on it so the way the putter looks face height it makes me do
Different things just like if you were to look at a driver and it was dead hook faced in order for you to hit it that thing’s telling you you’ve got to change in order to get it opened or vice versa the face it’s de open you manipulate
Because you’re an athlete and you will enough be able to close that face somehow you will but I don’t want you to have to manipulate on a stroke so alignment this new phantom um and I’ll Point them out of these features of alignment but it’s part of the
Design and yes the other thing we just don’t have lines we have some with dots we have some with lines and we have one with an arrow but I didn’t want I love the arrow I didn’t want to put it all on everything because if you don’t like The
Arrow then you’re not going to buy anything so I wanted something for everybody but this arrow is quite cool and it’s not that distracting it helps but if you don’t like The Arrow then we have lines yeah so just learning from guys from tour on those little things
Like confirming face height now we can test and tell you what works best but it’s funny how these touring Pros first look at what they see and what they like because if they don’t like the look of a putter they’re not going to use it yeah so I always love how you you
Take ideas from outside of the industry whether it’s Automotive or or wherever you find inspiration and you put it in your Putters is there anything in this new Phantom that you took inspiration from outside the industry something you saw or something that looked cool to you that you decided to
To put into put in this one as we’ve talked about grips um grip speak to MH um I like bicycles Schwin bicycles I I grew up with it I live at the beach and I like Cruisers and I like twin bicycles that’s just one of those weird things I like
Um and I found a set of handlebars and had some grips and you don’t remember the name Huffy it was kind of a low end oh I had a huffy when I was a kid it a it was like if you drove up on a Schwin
You were like driving a Ferrari if you drove up on a huffy it was like driving a Yugo or a Pento so I found set of grips and they were fast and on this new Phantom line and I wanted everything looking fast um when it’s standing still it
Looks like it’s going 90 M an hour so the angles which help the alignment also make it look fast but the grip had never been done before and it came from a set of Huffy bicycle grips and there’s angles so I’m looking at this why is it look so fast and the
Angles for example that doesn’t look fast yeah that looks fast so when you look at the top of the grips there the top of the grip is at the same angle as the floor so normally the grip is straight this is angle so when you’re at
A proper y angle that’s flat to the ground and I have the collar flat to the ground I wanted that to look fast as the product looks fast um and that had never been done before we came with a new grip shape where a lot of the guys in the past Andy
Beans and Landy Watkins and Tom Kites and great golfers loved a grip and it was larger in the right hand and the USGA made it uh taper you couldn’t taper you couldn’t have a waist to a grip so anyhow learning from the past of what was there uh Golf Pride made a great
Grip and it was um but we went to the past and brought out some of the new thoughts and created new grip even from its shape and we’re working on this grip and we wanted texture because we found when it’s too smooth and it gets wet or
Rainy or dewy um we needed some texture to suck up some of that moisture or water so the grip instead of having dots in the back or uh cross lines or little markings Car Guy Audi has a fast looking station wagon RS6 Avant and they’re grills and
In their interior they use this kind of shape so I modified that shape because it looked fast like the grip looked fast like the head looks fast and thought let’s do something not conventional but something out of the box so nicknamed it looks like a chain link fence but
Faster um and the grip I put it on um a gal’s Putter and she says there’s less voids I’m touching my hands are touching more of the grip compared to other grips there’s voids in there so full contact is the other name that we use in marketing full
Contact um just the grip feels better in the hand so you the first thing you touch on the club is a grip yeah so that’s got to speak to you then you look down the shaft and I always take off steps I want the same step pattern but
No steps I want the performance of the shaft and we spent a lot of time on shafts but I want it clean even down at the bottom of the grip I don’t have any paint for my eye to get stuck I don’t have a shaft band cuz I put it on the
Back the long ways cuz I don’t want my eye getting stuck goes all the way down into the bend of these new Phantom mallets and if you look down and say where is that bending it’s pointing at the hole if you look at others they kind
Of go S Bends and all this and they’re going all over the place well let’s not complicate things let’s make things simple and you’re aiming at the hole so why don’t you have things help you align that or aim that at the hole so there’s
A lot that went into the new Phantom of first off don’t screw it up how do we make it better and how can we make it sound better look better align better perform better and feel better in the hands also uh with the grip a lot went
Into this but it’s been great working with Austy and using his knowledge of the past and of the future it’s been great to have him these I would say look meaner than the last one they’re angles yeah for example but I think that maybe that’s why it just it’s got It’s got a
Little bit feels like a little bit more of an edge to it if you look at a lot of Mercedes and and cars and you look at the headlights BMWs they’re squinny they almost look like they have a meanness or a character to the headlights coming at
You you are correct these have an attitude uh kind of badass yeah uh Angry um Smoky dark um kind of cool yeah yeah all right I want you to compare your passion for putter design when you first came into the industry to where it is
Now I love the classics my father is a classic Club guy I started looking at Classics at uh 8802 Arnold Palmer design buys um I love Classics my favorite putter to work on is I call them Craftsman and they’re flang blades and I get heel and toe weight out of putting
In a um a bullet bottom soulle which looks like he shot a a bullet and it it took some weight out of the bottom some call it a catamaran Soul came from a set of Wilson 1969 Wilson Staff irons and they call them bullet bullet backs so I
A bullet bottom so I can remove weight instead of having a visual of a pocket in the back I can put the pocket underneath at the bullet bottom Sole and I can shape pin tails Square backs Coronado round backs and by shaping those it adds character so I love of the past Classics
For example you do a new Port two I think we make a not the best in the marketplace and that that came from a company that I really enjoy watching over time the New Port 2 started off as something and they’ve done a heck of a
Job in the years past but some of the materials I used didn’t sound too good some of the shapes got tired my goal was to take something very good and make it great and and the New Port two if you’re going to make a new Port two make it
Look like that don’t change it so much where the players’s going to come back say ah you messed it up so I’m very protective of don’t mess it up but make it better yeah you know I feel like we all struggle with this days where we’re
Just not feeling creative but I want to know how do you get the creative juices flowing on days when you’re when you’re not feeling it when you walk in here and maybe you’re not feeling as creative as as other days I am get inspired by a lot
Of things um for example when I struggle I can’t feel like I’m into shaft bands I’m into head covers but I think things make you think you know fast or slow or or classic or elegant or craftsman looking Timeless um if I’m looking for a font for a head
Cover if I’m looking for a font for a soul plate I’m fascinated by wine bottles and their labels and I’ll walk down what hits me why do I stop at it why do I look at it is it the color is it the shape is it a character is it a
Font I’ll get inspired by wine bottles I’m also bit intrigued by um cigar labels MH Rings how much work goes into some of the graphics on wine models and cigar bands and I always look at that why would I stop to look at that and what catches my eye so inspiration from
Cars um inspiration from a wine label um and for example we talked about the grip and the Bic the Huffy bicycle grips being angled to make it look faster um Schwin bicycles they had I had a candy apple red Schwin as a kid that red look is what I want in the cherry
Bombs in my Putters M it’s a translucent candy apple if you just put red paint in there not cool at all but if you use this translucent lacquer red paint that look like a candy apple that just is cool yeah so things that excite me I found that some of my friends and
Followers um it excites them also so I am constantly looking of shade and I’ll be at lunch and I’ll see something I’ll take a picture and people are like what are you taking a picture of that for I I see a font there I want to use um so
It’s everywhere I’ll take a picture so when I am suffering when I am having that writer’s block I can go through the phone I want to pull that one in I also have an art department where I can actually pull up my phone and share these thoughts and text everybody in my
Art Department hey that new girl my girl we’re walking working on for next year look at this font because it says the character of the my girl that we’re using this font says what I’m trying to explain I think I work with one of the great in the golf
Industry um Barry Grimes was an art guy and he was a right-hand art guy for John Ashworth back in the day you remember some of the ads they did with they’d be in like a big boat cat Cadillac or a Pontiac the top down and you had Jim
Nance you had Freddy Couples you had John Cook uh you had John Ashworth all super cool guys but um that was all thought of the brain of Barry Grimes who passed away last two years ago I spent a lot of time with him and he taught me about fonts and how they
Speak to you so uh the every head cover that we’ve done I have absolute I love those because they excite me but fonts I was taught by Barry Grimes and using fonts to say what you’re feeling for you what’s more enjoyable getting into the weeds during the
Creation process or seeing a lot of those ideas bring a product to life at the at the finish line I love to see products come to life I’m a product guy and there’s so much thought and I’m so proud to go to a PGA show because
I’ve been working on that baby for a couple of years and finally showing the world this baby I’ve created um so people talk about trade shows and being tough to go to and I always was so excited to go to a trade show because I wanted
Show um you know whether it was 35 years ago when I was making Putters then versus on a Monday I come into work and I’m as excited because things are changing um golf is changing but especially Putters you know I’ve gone through the era of the long putter of
The belly putter of the anchored putter of different styles and the USGA governs what we can or cannot do and we tiess Scotty Cameron we follow the guidelines of the USGA though we try to walk on that fine line of taking things to the extreme but never crossing the
Line but I think it’s our job as a Design Group to design things that are stay on that that Leading Edge so I want you to to tell a couple of origin stories because there are um iconic aspects of your Putters from over the years people see it and they just
Assume like oh Scotty just kind of came up with this on the fly the first one is cherry bombs where what’s the origin story there where did that come from sure there few that made me go to it because it’s that story of why does my
Eye go to it for example started off when I was young 10 91 my father would take me to Orange County International Raceway which is a drag strip and um would be sitting in the stands and he loved cars and I loved cars and he got me into that and we’d be
Sitting there watching the races and a car would come to get on the track and when you’d cut a hole and you’d have whether it’s a blower or something coming out of the hood there are three red dots of the the C them butterflies for the carburation for the
Carburation to to breathe and when they’ gas it these butterflies would move and they were actually aluminum and they’re anodized red so had that translucent look so three red dots coming out of the hood I knew it was going to be fast and knew it was going to be
Exciting years later my wife wanted to have a new 35mm camera and a friend of mine said hey this is a great one here um I think the Leica was the name of the brand yeah and they had Coral’s ice lenses which were the best lenses and so Leica so I went out
Hunting for a Christmas gift for my wife and going they all camera shopped and whenever I’d go in I’d look for their logo was a Red Dot from Leica so when I was starting to do some New Ports uh when they were silver they started looking like another Brand’s
Putter so um I was putting these Cherry dots on the back so when they get on tour you could notice a silver putter with red dots would be a Cameron just like the Leica Putter and just like the race car when I saw red dots they were exciting yeah and couple
Couple of Putters that are used by a few Legends of the game those those are the ones that everybody notices it’s like they see that they see the Cherry Bomb and it’s like that’s a Scotty kind of similar like you’re talking about like going into a camera store and looking
For Leica and seeing seeing that red dot it’s it’s just become synonymous with with your brand so I read sometimes I read some of the when I bring out a new product what are they saying about it you know on our website and sometimes they talk about I’m so sick of those red
Dots and believe me I do I am also but I’ll go to the Marketing Group of pists say hey I’m looking to take off those red dots like no don’t go there we love the red dots so I always like in the back of the pockets of Newports Newport
Twos are the select Super select I want movement in the back of those Putters I want um industrial mechanical with elegance and I want movement of milling and I want Mill marks so in the back there I don’t have any red cherry stuff right now in the back of those but I
Have some bombs in the back um because it’s boring in the back of a putter but how can I use those to make it stronger sound better more vibration dampening so I’ll use the back of the putter to speak but also to feel yeah all right so
We go from cherry bombs to Circle te this is a this is a great story I love it but I but I want you to tell there there was a reason why you had to start adding the circle te to boxes you’re correct um and it’s weird how things happen and they evolve
So hopefully I don’t bore you a long story short um when I was in Orange County and there was a great uh steakhouse called Black Angus do you remember that as a steak house and Commercial and they’re promoting their stakes and at the end kind of the
Quality would come down in it’s uh cattle prod would come on the Stak and sear this kind of Western looking cattle prod in the steak and burn it in there and um so I’m making Putters and about 4:00 every afternoon I had to ship I had to have
Everything in the Box I had to check the grip had to check this had to make that put them in the box and I had a rep on the LPG tour and uh I had a rep on the PJ tour and I in the boxes while I mix
The boxes up and the one PGA Tour went to the ladies so not a big deal they sent them back and I SW them and sent them out but so that didn’t happen again it was going into the box for the PJ tour um on my head covers which back in
The day nobody really put on head covers but I put a t and I circled the T um and it looked like a cattle prod in my mind because I didn’t finish the circle I just ended the circle and the thought was to mark it like that state
Um so I put a Circle T on it and I knew on that head cover it went into this box and made it to the tour and the ladies didn’t have the Circle T because I was going to the tour um and the ladies didn’t have it so
I could tell if it had it it’s going to the tour if it didn’t have it it’s going to the LPGA Tour um so sent them out and my tour rep at the time said hey players are asking what does this te thing mean I said well that just I know that
That putter goes into the tour box for the PGA Tour so don’t mix them up to the different tours so why you ask him that he goes well players are wanting it said why so the next week he calls and he says Hey two young kids walked up to my my uh
Staff bag full of Putters and they took a couple the head covers and ran up something’s desirable about those Circle T’s so instead of me every time marking it on I thought well the head cover manufacturer I’ll do some artwork send it to them and they can embroider the
Circle T on there so some say it stood for tour Cameron because it wasn’t really a circle or a circle te so why why do they want that I just make sure it gets in the right bag so the circle te was out of necessity and it came from The Branding from the
Stake from the Black Angus restaurant that’s how that happened I mean would you would you is it fair to say that the circle te is is the one that that you when people see it like they know that it’s a it’s a Scotty Cameron out of all
I mean you’ve had so many we were talking about jackpot Johnny hoad hary I mean there’s so many but but I would is it fair to say Circle T is probably the one that that people know the most like by far Yeah by far cuz I think you
Inspire to have a circle te and the circle te um oh it is it is aspirational I mean everybody everybody wants everybody wants Circle te yeah that’s like that’s that’s it’s like a status symbol almost you know the most famous player to ever he’s a Cameron Putter and
I would love to say his name because he’s a friend of mine and I love him yeah but because of Corporations and business I can’t say his name um but what’s so funny is popular is that putter is for him and for us right it doesn’t have a Circle T yeah no you’re
Right which is weird because you would think it would but it doesn’t yeah I I mean I do I know that you’ve got like you can’t say his name 97 Masters is the one that comes to mind I think people people know exactly who we’re talking about here but that that
Sort of felt like a turning point for for you for you for Scotty Cameron well the first turning point was burnhard Langer 93 yeah that was that was huge for for you was which was bigger because that’s that’s that’s something that I’ve always wanted to know which was which
Was the bigger one for you 93 with longer or 97 probably 97 but 93 Bernhard put Cameron on the map right no doubt about it yeah um but what was so unique about the 97 um were those white dots there’s a cool story behind those too
We just tell we can tell or stories all day but now Scotty this is something that that you and I talked about before before we started before I record but I think what I love most about your Putters is that there are so many neat stories behind them and it’s not just
You sitting in in a studio just like doing something like there there’s a real story what’s what is the story behind the dots sure okay sorry to bore you on this one um I can promise you nobody listening to this podcast is bored right now so w Uline my boss
Greatest guy in the golf industry and one of the greatest gentlemen I’ve ever met um he said the golf ball is changing it’s getting harder and this is back in 97 they’re going from bada to harder stuff and uh says how are you going to combat that with your your Putters and
Now it gets the Mind thinking and um gosh this just crazy story so I’m working on one of my cars and I broke your muffler hangs off of your suspension with a rubber bracket and that bracket broke and I thought well rubber I can do better than
This let’s just weld a piece of metal in there where it makes it more firm and would never break again from being rubber right so I uh put this uh hanger of the muffler and uh did it out of steel done cleaned up start the car and
It shook the inside of the car like no tomorrow it was just vibration and and uh running it through the whole car I thought oh that rubber is an insulator between to not vibrate the car so rubber got into my mind so I had met with a bunch of different glue type companies
To glue in an insert because Wally said hey how are you going to combat I thought I was going to put an insert in there how can I affect the sound and feel of the golf ball at impact so I had I what’s the softest material I could make but I didn’t want
To use plastic or inserts in a putter I wanted things that wouldn’t fail in the world for example if you put plastic and that plastic goes into a airplane and it’s call it uh 29° MH and you go to Palm Springs for Bob Hope and you put it in your trunk and it’s
170° in your trunk then you go back to the airport so you got 30° to70 de Plastics get brittle and Plastics crack so I didn’t want to use that I wanted to use a material softest material I could find was something called and there’s another story here um
Tarium tarium is the name of the softest copper and I’ve never heard of tarium at the time a company was doing a lot of burum burum copper burum nickel but I had found that brillium was really hard so this tarium so I wanted to use something
Burum but tarium was softer so I used tarium and called it terillium MH so that’s how the terrum but I back that up with this um the dots in the back when I was Milling this I didn’t want to have a big pocket in the back and and filling it full of
Goop so I milled in I told in the insert I had four screws on the outside but I didn’t want to see the screw so I embedded the screws and put this white um it looked like glue over when I was making that putter at the time I was 36 years
Old and I designed 36 dots in the back for 36 years old so I did 36 dots but four of those dots I embedded deeper so I could hide the screws that held in the insert so I went to different glue companies and manufacturers like 3M I was looking for something vibration
Dampening but you could poke a tea in and it wouldn’t rip it so I worked with dobert chemical I worked with different chemical companies trying to come up with a vibration dampening membrane that wouldn’t poke pop or fall out and um one Sunday I’m watching Golf and it
Hit me so I’m trying to create from the car something rubber learning from the vibration of the car into the vibration of impact of a golf ball and um hit me and my daughter was like four and I put her in the car and we went to Target and went into their HomeGoods
Department and went into silicone and silicone they had nine different types of different colors and different types and whether it was a bathroom tub water cocking or a window cocking or a cocking of glue so I bought nine types and I went back to my garage where my
Workshop was and I milled nine holes into a piece of aluminum and I marked them A B C D each one so and I marked the tubes of the cocking and I squeezed it in with my glue gun with my cocking gun and came back then and I squeegee it
Off that so I had nine dots of silicone marked and I marked the tubes took a te poke poke poke poke and the one that I wanted that wouldn’t rip wouldn’t puncture but I could feel the pressure mhm with a te uh was a tub and tile window cocking also
Universal cocking that added a rubber and that became the back of the Trillium Putter and it is what we called it but it’s a vibration dampening membrane is tub tile and window conking with 32 dots and all that was was to make make it softer feel right I’m experimenting with this and it
It makes sense and it actually affected the sound and feel because those holes went right in the back of the Trillium insert it didn’t stop at the back wall I injected that all the way into the insert what you may not have known is in the back wall there when I would
Actually embed that uh silicone in the back if it had a pocket I couldn’t squeegee that out of the pocket ET it would get stuck so trillian Putters never had a pocket it just had a back wall so I could squeegee that up and not get it stuck into the
Pocket so I’m working on this and this great I just picture you doing doing all this like I’m in my garage doing this and it’s tub and tile cocking and I don’t care what it is can it affect the sound and feel and is it is it going to
Do what I expect my mind to do soften the vibration and damping off the putter face on a harder golf ball so I’m having players come in some of the greats are coming out I’m explaining this and they’re like either he’s a whack job or also to say they they might
Be giving you some weird looks oh yeah yeah so I had this one with all the dots and this great player comes in he goes what’s this and he goes that makes perfect sense let me try it and takes it out and don’t really know what happened
And he uh has it a few weeks says it’s awesome yeah he puts it in play and damned if he doesn’t win the 97 masters with this tarium being terillium set in with four screws with this silicone for bathtub tile and window conking with a vibration dampening membrane which is rubber that
Learned from the car he wins with this and people nicknamed it the Domino putter because it did oh yeah and it was unbelievable during that Master is how many camera views you had at the back of this putter it was that in J time place and it just
Hit yeah and Putters went crazy was it overwhelming in in the aftermath for you with all with all the demand that you were that you were getting I mean we talk about comparing longer to call him the goat sure sure was was was it was it a little
Overwhelming just with with all the demand that I’m sure that you were that you were getting for your Putters after that win fan I’m a huge fan of manufacturing and I I’ve always when I go into my factory or my Milling Factory or embroidery Factory sound um and I love to hear machines
Running because when machines are running you’re making money yeah and when I say making money you’re in business right when it’s quiet and machines aren’t running you’re going to go out of business so it was always a great motivator for having machines run um but I do remember learning about we
Could take the the tubes and The Guns of cocking which we started injecting and we went to five gallon drums and I remember we hired in this Warehouse that we have we had 17 girls with five and we had injectors and they had a foot and they could inject it with
A 36 times oh my gosh 17 girls all these dots and the manufact so I love manufacturing of how do we get this done the cleanest way the most efficient the cost effective and that was just an awesome time for me we redid that putter um 22
Years later and I was amazed when we redid that trillian putter uh how many touring Pros grew up wanting that putter that couldn’t afford that putter that actually now on tour they couldn’t use it but they still wanted it and we gave it to these guys because of the awe that
Was created not only at that time by a great product but the one of the greatest players ever I’ve seen some some putter Brands I’m thinking more kind of bespoke that have started to pop up in the last few years um and I I would say they certainly it feels like
They’re trying to emulate something that you’ve made very successful you know Brands built around like a person versus just a name and and I wonder because they are emulating Scotty does that does that flatter you does it motivate you to keep your foot on the pedal like how like
Where how do you feel about that you know if it’s done respectfully and um there’s a new one coming out and he um had mentioned about Scotty Cameron you know one of the great putter makers of all time so I gain respect it’s the ones that kind of knock you off and
Don’t give you Kudos y for example have I borrowed 100% who doesn’t um but then to give kudos to that company or that person now that’s the pat on the back um through patents um most design patents are 14 years whether it’s a Utility Patent like
Inside of a metal wood and you have a honeycomb that would be a Utility Patent but a design patent when you can see it so there’s different patents in different years but after certain years that patent is now expired and anybody can do it so ethics of when you’re going
To emulate something just make sure that uh legally um it’s proper but if you’re going to borrow at least give credit to the credits due so to answer your question all depends on the way it’s done if it’s done with class I really enjoy it if it’s done um not the right
Way kind of bugs me yeah so as we record this pod we’re we’re here at the the Scotty Cameron putter Studio you have a a more of a consumer facing which is the gallery in inas and in Japan and in Japan yep for sure um
And and those I mean you could you could walk up if you wanted to and you were you were here in the San Diego area you could make the drive up to insanas and and you know take a look at all the incredible Creations there but this
Studio is really special because this is where the pros come this is where you spend a lot of your time um but I want to know what what about this studio do you feel like gives you an edge over your competition well the studio was created
Because of I wanted to see what happened between the player the Putter and the golf ball because the way you use a putter or I use a putter is different it’s very personal so where do you play the ball in the back of the stance or the front
Of the stance do you have a pop stroke for me to design the best player the best Putters for the best players best amateurs what do you do with my Putter and how can I help you with my putter make balls go on the so I now
Call it the art of putting which is the the player affects the Putter and the putter affects the golf ball let’s go backwards the ball’s affected by the Putter and the putter is affected by the player so if you have a forward press so we have found that through high-speed video
Which the gallery I’m sorry the studio was set up as what happens why does it happen so being with a great company of tius my boss wallu line I said in order to me for me to make the best Putters for the I need to know what they do and
I need to capture that high-speed video I need to know what the ball’s doing off the putter incred he when he saw promise he would help fund these things and I wanted so I worked with different companies to try in my mind I wanted to see what the ball did versus the putter
Then back up and see the player with the Putter and the golf ball Earth shattering so I brought Wally in and after I developed this kind of half-ass camera system it started in my garage and originally Scotty’s garage ended up being the putter studio um but we started in the garage
And we had a warehouse and it it became the putter Studio while he left he hit three putts and he look back and goes do we have a patent on this I said not yet he goes before you show anybody else please get a patent so we have nine
Patents on this apparatus of how many uh uh the camera frames per second and overhead and back view and it was just so good so I remember asking players to come in the great at the time I remember David Duval was having a tough time and Wall-E he was with titles
And Wally said hey you got to go see Scotty he’s working on something and he thinks I it can Enlighten what you see so David Duvall comes in not not really says Wally said I should be here what do you want to do blah blah blah
And I said well let me just show you what I’m up to and he gets on there and I said this is what happens to the ball this is what we expect but you may affect it and your putter may not be perfect and blah blah blah he hits three
Putts and he looks back and goes I’m not half as screwed up as I thought I was meaning he thought he did different things he didn’t know until you could slow it down and show him and um we worked on a few things and he’s he’s just a talent you
Know he saw where it went wrong and he could fix it and some of the greats that we’ve worked with are that quick guys and girls that uh they’re just athletes we’ve worked with some amateurs that aren’t very good and they can’t make the fix but true athletes and great players
Can so um any know the studio here is a place that I found that I can learn and I worked with these great camera companies and there’s Dave Phillips is a friend of mine from TPI and um he was a camera guy working with another company
At that time said Dave if I want to look at this and blah blah blah and he says well I can’t help you with that because that’s highpe speed I can work with this this this but I have a guy he says this guy um he sold his company but he works
Um on programming and he did a phone system and he sold it for gazillion dollars so when you have area code it transfers here it transfers this and he does this he goes I think that’s a guy you need let me give him a
Call so I get the access I call this guy and uh I said I’m working on the system I need for this to show this and I want to see impact of a putter versus a player player affects a putter putter fects ball got it so I’ve been working 8
N a year on this project CU I need to see it to know what to make for the great players nobody could figure this out the timing when you take it back and impact and capture at impact this how crazy this guy had such a mind um from this programming of
Programming this of what I wanted I’ve been working on this a year this guy comes into my warehouse and my garage actually and says give me a half hour and I’m thinking you’re out of your mind mind I come back in 45 minutes and what
I wanted and trying to work on for a year this guy did in a half hour wow ingenious and I basically we spent the day together working on blah blah blah got it fine tune fine tune I said what do I ow you I had the thought I had the
Dream of highp speed I needed to see it so I could make Putters for the best he was as crazy engineer of programming I said what do I owe you he says one Putter and a set of golf clubs done done so Dave Phillips turned
Me on to this gentleman Dave is a thank you Dave thank you Dave Dave’s a great genius in this kind of stuff but it was out of his field and he knew he could pass it he opened up a door and um that’s how that began but we still have
This studio I wanted the best to come and understand it but it was so cool I wanted amateurs to have that same experience thus opening the studio in inanitus California and outside of Tokyo and Hama matu were the best amateurs or any amateurs if you want to get fit I think
It has to be done through high-speed video and when you get fit and it doesn’t show the body should question it if it’s just a computer screen showing your Putter and golf ball well that is all affected by you the player and your alignment and your shoulders and so I think it’s three
It’s the ball Putter and person coming together to create the art of putting over the years since you’ve had this studio who’s who’s the one pro who spent the most time here Brad Faxon I love that I love that answer because he I feel like your your relationship with him is like so
Intertwined that that fax day putter yeah that he has um what is it about about Brad that that like inspires you like from your time having worked with him what what does he bring that inspires you when it comes to designing Putters well Brad was one of the best
Putters on the PJ tour when he played um great putter if he couldn’t putt he wouldn’t have been on the PJ he hit it a little sideways with a driver but he could putt like there was no other so I was intrigued with him because he was really good I remember I
Was at a Tournament of Champions at Lacosta Resort and I was young and I walked up to him and introduced myself and um he I had a putter he kind of L liked and he put his putter to the side on his hip and he’s putting like a a
15-footer and he had like six balls he was just practicing and he took my putter set his on his hip took my Putter and he made every single putt I’m like oh my gosh but his stats were he wasn’t the best he he has all this down and it’s
Intriguing to me because he was like 19th in the world in putting and he has that curious mind of he’s known as a good putter he’s can always get better so I worked with him the putter he used carbon steel we made a putter together he put it in play but the key
Was the fitting system of high-speed video intrigued the heck out of him because he never was able to what he did can I see it because we have the highspeed video and on a normal recorder you couldn’t see this because I happened too fast so his stats go from like 19 to
Number one and to this day he’ll say it was such an enlightening experience to see what I do versus my putter versus the ball that my my mind understood it more that I could trust that I was on track or off track so he’s such an in he just wants
To know more but was so funny over the years that great player we keep talking about when he would come in hey can I see the footage of Brad Faxon that’s interesting so he wanted he wanted to see footage of of other great Putters no
Of Brad just of Brad I don’t know why but then Brad was a great putter so Brad would always ask what is this gentleman working on and I would share a little information of and those two would always compare notes about each other and I found that very
Very strange because they had such high um they thought so highly of one another’s putting stats and putting Styles and so on but if you look at the great and his posture and a lot of things that that he does looks like Brad Faxon yeah interesting um so if you weren’t creating Putters
What would you be doing designing Furniture really yeah see I would have totally thought you’d have been in like wanting to be a mechanic or or working for one of the one of the like Mercedes or really yeah why I don’t know um I love chairs I love Charles and Ray
Ames great design of chairs and I make furniture for myself but was intriguing to me when we wait you make furniture for yourself I do for example when you go into my gallery in Inus and all of the eye beams and the glass shelving right made that in the putter Studio
Really all of that was industrial mechanical with Elegance recycled I beam from large construction jobs I love furniture and I’m not a wood guy I’m a metal guy um I love furniture and to stand back and the form and function on how it weighs back or or how
The arms come up or um I don’t know why that is I collect chairs and in my in my galleries you’ll notice chairs all over the place from chairs that I’ve either made or inspired um chairs and furniture when I did the Galler and incus I just wanted it to be
Manly industrial and couldn’t have green fake carpet and crossed golf clubs it set inside of a Crest it had to be cement metal elegance and glass the doors you open to get into the putting Studio studio in my gallery in inanitus each door weighs 300 lb created the doors created the
Walls bought the glass man with all this free time you have Scotty but I have three guys back in the putter Studio they got my vision of these shelvings of these eye beams of these large bolts and welded and we did this as a team effort
In my putter Studio of guys just get my crazy sense of humor and vision to create cool I feel like we probably already talked about it so I may know the answer but I am curious weirdest place you found motivation for a design aspect or component on a putter you know
I get it from everything but yeah that the silicone is so far-fetched and working with a chemical companies to create what I Envision in my brain and it just turned out so I was in Target with my daughter and she’s four and I’ve got nine tubes of this
Um working with chemical companies I couldn’t get what I had in my mind that I was trying to create and it just happened so that’s it’s got to be well one that’s kind of crazy crazier than that from in my mind I was working too much forgive me long-winded story
I’ll cut it short um whenever this great person putter would come into town whether he didn’t have time to come by he something would happen to his putter when he’s in town and he would always call to see if I would help yeah or jump when he asked I jump and today when
He asked I jump yeah and uh long story short my wife’s getting upset we have a a four-year-old daughter uh we had tickets to go to the Harlem Globe Trotters downtown San Diego we had tickets I get the call I watched this happen on TV San
Diego he uh missed a putt and hit the bottom of his bag right and I said oo that’s going to affect mhm so I told I was having lunch and I said uh to one of my uh people I said we’re going to get a call two hours you’re going to have to
Jump Scotty two hours later I had a bad speaker system in the warehouse and I’m grinding on some Putters and pick up the phone I knew it was him mhm I knew it was him all I said was how bad is it he he says it’s messed up I said
Where you at and he says I’m at this hotel and um I’ll you and it was funny I can’t even say the name but I’ll use this name and leave it at the uh Bell desk yeah so I’m thinking okay my wife’s mad I gotta
Go maybe I can go downtown and stop by there and it was just an alignment benett he had just bent the heck out of the neck so I loaded up my truck I laid down the tailgate and put a loft and life fixture and I drilled it right in to the
To the uh tailgate of the truck when you laid it down I bolted it in put a rubber bungee cord shut it Tools in a tool box that I thought I might need put it in the back of the truck boom picked up my girls honey we have to make a stop at
This hotel she goes I thought we were going I said we are but I need to make a quick stop yeah so in the tool box I put a a flashlight and all the tools I thought I might need to fix the putter right P underground of this uh hotel and
There was Pulled Under a light in the underground parking laid down the tailgate got my wife’s in the car grabbed my daughter’s hand she walked with me to get the putter um we walk back to the truck and I have all the tools I thought I would
Need so my I lay down the tailgate take off the bunge court set up my lo andly gaug I give the flashlight to my daughter four four years old I’m here sweetie flashight hold it so Dad can do a little bit of a quick uh quick work
Right here so I have a crescent wrench and I have all my bending tools to get it back up there to get the next straight so we spend 15 minutes on this you know I know my wife’s hotter than a heck in the truck and we finish it we walk it back
Uh we give it to the Bell guy I got it from said it’s for this name and he knew the name and um damned if he doesn’t go out the next day and win the event and sometimes when you jump it ends up it
Ends up paying off and if he you know if he called right now I’d take the phone call I will always take that phone call because of the respect I think we have for each other yeah but crazy things over the years like that you know with
My daughter was that gosh I bet that was 9 8 okay through 2000 okay um and some of these crazy stories like that just right place right time right tools right product right player right home run you you made you made a a pretty important putter for this for this player in
99 and was did did the GSS that was used for that putter was that the first time that you had used GSS or or or or did it did it have and for those that don’t know GSS German sayless steel corre which is a head material that a lot of
Pros now use nowadays on on their on their Newport Putters but we’re was that the first time you’d used GSS what’s what’s kind of the the story behind there well I always what is the best deal what is the best copper what is the best trulum what is the best that I can
Use and I was um I was you know when sometimes when you get melted down to make a metalwood or an iron and melted down you know as crazy as it sounds melting down um knives and forks and spoons and they throw it and they liquefy this and that’s what they’re
Using and I’m like I want to use Billet blocks of great materials and by the way what’s the greatest stainless and it came the crup or C family out of they designed stainless steel for um guns and knives so they wouldn’t rust and so it it was always coming back
To this crup family in Germany so I got a few bars from this manufacturer of this German stainless steel and ungodly expensive um but again I was after the best and had a few blocks and I made a few Putters and this great player was in says what’s the best
Steal and I say it’s this goes well make me something and that okay and for example he has a DOT on the top of a sight line and he said I remember when he was in he says some days my eyes when I wake up I see the sight line left or
Right not even just just so sometimes a line messes me up but he says I need a focus point so what about a DOT cuz you know where to put it it’s a focus point but the line goes let’s do it and he was there for a short time when I could have
Set up the mill and blah blah blah I put it in a vice and I take a uh punch hammered that sight dot after I Teeter tottered the head to find out exactly where The Sweet Spot in that dot was so I Teeter tottered it found The Sweet Spot hand punch boom hand
Drill so the dot in that putter was done by hand and by eye oh my gosh in the in the Cherry Bomb in the back though that was correct me if I’m wrong that was to to kind of hit a certain weight let’s just call it it was more of
A look let we call it that a look of that you knew it was a Cameron like we talked about the light mhm the red dots so I could get it from the back or I could get it from the face um it had a look just like like a
Camera or the race car with the coming out of the hood the butterflies that red dot was kind of in a putter that’s a Scotty Cameron so I always made sure it was cherry red just so funny that his favorite shirt he wears is red Sunday red i’ I’ve seen it
Recently I gotta say it’s it’s looking a little rough the the Cherry palm of the back is is missing some paint and it’s it’s I mean it’s one of those Putters do you ever look at a putter like that and it might not just be his but one that’s
Like a true gamer and you see it and you’re like oh man could probably use a trip to the to the spa does do what’s so funny about that is Jordan Speed won’t give me his putter I was about to say there’s another one there falling out
And I’m like come on Jordan he goes nope if it’s not broke don’t fix it and the great also is the same way but what’s so funny about that how things Inspire um on the endmill when I would put the dot Mill the dot in the back and
The End Mill it’s not always flat sometimes it’s domed so make it deep enough so when I would put the uh red ink at the time red ink right it would cover it to be cherry red yeah but because it was domed and you wipe your putter off all the time
The midsection that was higher would always rub off first so it created which we call now a lifesaver look so in some of our putter designs you’ll see just a red line instead of a big Cherry dot which was inspired by that putter of wiping off and it would leave a lifesaver ring
Instead of a full Cherry Bomb inspired by that yeah do do you ever think about that you you created arguably the most famous putter of all time I mean does does that matter to you I mean you you seem like somebody who loves who loves history and and loves just designing
Cool things but does does that matter at all to you at at the end of the day when it comes to your legacy I just want to design great stuff and have great players use it um I try hard and I think the pat on the back is
When you turn on the TV on Sunday and see somebody win especially um a major um that that means like you’ve done a good job but leaving a legacy yeah that’s that’s cool that’s cool um the end of the day I love creating cool stuff I and I get really
Inspired when people love it they use it they talk about it uh whether they collect it or use it I love even today the goal is to design just stuff that gets you excited okay couple more for you I could spend hours but I know Scotty has other
Stuff to do than just talk to me uh which pro has the craziest Scotty collection I’ve heard hidis is pretty legendary but does anybody Come Close Tois you know kind of a secret closet collector not collector user faxon’s got to have a good one Faxon but faxon’s friend forgive me senior Dory just
Won um Brett Quigley really Faxon says you would be amazed because he was forever and always a Scotty guy right um Brett Quigley and a Gentleman a guy that you want to help and and and make stuff for it his head cover collection and putter collection is scary good but you’re correct
Hiaki I would I would love to like get a chance to see how good it is I mean it’s it almost feels like uh like an urban legend now like Ki you wouldn’t believe how great it is it’s it’s the most incredible collection I mean I see him
Out on tour and he has four or five Scotties in toes at all time and some some of the times pulling off head covers they’re they’re Camerons I’ve never even seen before but they’re incredible Hideki is that good when he asks you to jump you say how high and is
That like a handful of guys that you would say that about yes yes yeah yeah and like the Jordans and the Justin’s and yeah and the Faxon and Davis loves and many many many many Nick prices and and and and and and we’re not supposed
To talk about named like that and I get beat up on our website because we’ll say so and will say this player we can’t use our name right and we say uh this Sunday this player used a Cameron Putter and a lot of people are saying hey you idiot
Just say their name well we can’t say their name I want to say their name but legally we can’t so it’s like it’s not that I don’t want to it’s like they think I’m saying not saying their name because I want to give myself more Kudos
Right we just can’t say name yeah yeah yeah but there and that’s I think it’s a good point right there which is there are so many players out there that use your Putters that again they use your Putters because they like it it’s not because they’re being compensated or or
Anything like that they just simply have grown up or they found a camera that they really like and that’s yeah you got you got to play the game I I know I know how that how that goes um want to get your take on the future of the putter
Industry it feels like there’s a lot of room for growth right now now what’s what’s your take kind of if you were to take a pulse on the industry like where where do you see it right now and where do you see it going well a little bit putter wise
You’re governed by cost M you’re also governed by the USGA um of design you know I’d like to make a a TR stand and take the player out of it I but usj States and I believe in following those rules cuz they kind of uh keep the game safe you know that
You can’t get goofy or weird or have crazy machines putting for you um so we follow that um costs are getting crazy um so design is going to be governed by USGA and costs well I can do wings I can do big things I can make Moi High than any Moi
Of any putter but you wouldn’t want to use it because it’ be so ugly and so big and so bulky so taking all the rules and taking all the costs and then creating things that look good that you can afford again the gallery was set
Up excuse me the gallery set up to um I wanted to create crazy things and be able to sell those things not be governed by costs all the time time um so cost materials the future um anchoring the putter um I don’t know if that should have gone away
Not not my call right I follow the rules and do what we we can work with um anchoring was a great thing I don’t think it changed the sport at all I think um but costs materials um different grips I’m using 17inch grips I’m making 38 inch Putters right
Now in this new line we have one putter that’s 38 in with a longer grip um that has become popular very popular I never hopped on the arm lock butter I just thought it was so awkward MH and the guys went to that sometimes for
Desperation and for me to use it it was so awkward I didn’t think it would take off but I do think this new 38 inch putter that some guys are requesting on tour quite a few guys that we needed to put it in the line because it is a very
Nice way to putt it’s heavier it slows things down it creates a great product unlike the arm lock I just always felt it was awkward so where’s putting going uh it’s going to be materials it’s going to be you’re going to have to look at costs because as you know Putters in the
Industry you know you used to be able to buy putters you know for you know when I started um you know the high most highest and putter was 79.95 and that was brillium copper so now Putters on average for nice Putters are $450 in the Pro Shops
Yeah um and the engineering and the manufacturing of casting versus Forge versus m Billet blocks um it’s cost it’s design it’s materials and it’s being creative with all those things that you have access to um and I’m not bored with this at all I wake up every MTH and come in and just
Try to be the mad scientist and listen to the best players say how can I do this better yeah last one for you how much longer do you want to do this you know I enjoy the heck out of this as I’ve said and I wake up on Monday
Mornings and still feel like coming to work um but I I definitely that’s a good question I want to enjoy life um with my family and my girls and my daughters and and um what I have been doing is trying to hire the greatest people I could hire
So if I want to take a little time off I don’t feel so guilty of not being here 100% of the time but I will always have my hands in this and um ideas and thoughts and milling and my own Workshop um my own studio um but sometimes I have
Those days where I want to enjoy life a little more but I want to make sure that I have the best people working with me so we can make the best products and continue on like we have Scotty this was incredible fun thank you so much for
Your time oh my pleasure thanks for coming
