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00:24 – Introduction
04:12 – Starting calisthenics and sports background
08:24 – Training system & preparation for competition
33:34 – Diet
38:33 – Breaking records
40:47 – The importance of mindset and surrounding
44:42 – Statics & Reps combined
47:26 – Thoughts about steroids
50:16 – Progress and future goals

The guy who beat Max True at the endurance  competition from beast of the bars Beast   Wars 2 weeks ago Bruno is now in the interview  he shares a lot about his endurance workouts   about his nutrition you see all the topics of the  interview in the time stamps here so you can jump  

To the topic that is most interesting for you in  the name of team gornation I wanted to say thank   you for an amazing 2023 let’s rock 2024 together  thanks for your support and let’s jump into the  

Interview so Bruno welcome to the podcast I’m  super happy to have you here we met the first   time I think two weeks ago uh round about and in  in Sweden Stockholm where you’ve stunned everyone   with your extreme power and endurance during  the the uh Beast Wars endurance competition  

And you’ve won there so congratulations again um  and yeah super nice to have you here thank you so   much man uh first of all uh hi to everyone who is  watching this um yeah it was a it was a a blast  

You know the whole comp comption uh crazy story I  almost didn’t come um which was because like the   qualification round that we needed to send online  was just after the like uh World Cup that was uh  

Hold down in lattia so I was fully injured and I  was like I should probably skip this one you know   but something in my head tell me no no you need  to come you need to come and I was like okay I’ll  

Do it injured disqualifications so if it passes  it passes if it don’t it don’t and it passed so   yeah um this was definitely a life changing moment  this year a highlight definitely nice that’s super   cool what kind of injury was it uh from latva  it’s not actually from latva I was also going  

In the World Cup injured uh there it’s a 10s you  know I have uh overuse injuries from high volume   trainings and stuff like that so yeah it’s it’s  pretty hard to get rid of that’s true nice so  

Yeah uh was super nice to get you get to know you  there I’m super looking forward to this interview   and to get to know you even better uh can you tell  us more about yourself who are you where are you  

From what do you do yeah of course uh so everybody  know that my name is Bruno I come from Croatia uh   I live next to the capital city of Zagreb so um  I right now I’m working at the television house  

It’s like I’m actually proud of it it’s number  one television house in Croatia uh I really love   my job so uh I currently do Street workout as like  a hobby something that uh will eventually maybe uh  

I’ll be able to you know uh make a fulltime job  out of it uh outside of that uh like my other   Hobbies I really love shooting videos I love  editing videos I’m a pretty C creative person  

So I can kind of like to connect you know Street  workout with uh shooting videos so I uh always   try to make some dope pedits and stuff like that  nice and in the television house your uh your job  

Is uh videographer or what are you doing uh it’s  not uh really videography I don’t shoot videos but   it’s pretty similar I kind of edit them I work in  softwares that are made for like uh graph designs   something like after effects uh Photoshop um stuff  like Adobe Premiere and yeah something like that  

Interesting and about the hard facts because  I know people always ask about them how old   how tall and how heavy are you oh yeah uh that’s  true uh I’m 172 cm uh tall about 76 kgs um and I’m  

Natural so we can cover that that fact as well  nice and how old are you right now oh yeah I’m   uh 25 years old 25 nice yeah um maybe just tell  us about how you got in touch with the sport how  

Did you start doing crazy rep numbers like today  you you you have to have started somewhere as well   yeah yeah I mean it’s a uh it’s a a story that’s  probably every 14 yearold can attach to because  

Like you know when you hit puberty in your 13s 14s  you always think about man I need to get shreded   for the girls and you know stuff like that I need  to be handsome for for for the girls and uh that  

Was basically the same story with me I kind of  wanted to get buff because I thought that girls   are attracted by uh a muscular guys and uh not  much after I realized that’s not the case because  

In all this 13-year-old career I kind of attracted  more guys than girls so guys if that’s your main   goal by starting it don’t even try it uh but yeah  anyway I started like that uh I think it was like  

Seventh or eightth grade uh of my elementary  school um I remember going out and there was   like a empty space um outside my school backyard  that uh guys that were like maybe one or two years   older than me Made A Primitive Street workout  park there and they they were kind of having  

Just regular workouts and at the time I didn’t  know what street workout is and when I wanted   to get buff I was always thinking about you know  going to the gym but for that you needed the money  

And I didn’t have the money at the time and also  there were rumors that you shouldn’t go to the gym   leave weights if you’re that kind that young so  that sport kind of uh that’s why I get interest  

Interested in the sport and there was that one guy  I think yeah he was probably one year older of me   but when I saw him bro you get you had to see how  shredded he was I was like do you really can you  

Really look that way by just you know doing basic  Basics exercises like pull-ups push-ups dips and   he had he had that uh Max true uh apps you know  so I really got attracted by that so I was like  

Okay that’s the sport I’m gonna try and work out  you know and basically that’s how I started I   was pretty uh strong for a beginner I would say I  was already able to connect a couple of pull-ups  

Push-ups um dips so I kind of started with  circular routines a couple of you know pull-ups   push-ups dips separated by a minute minute and a  half rest and everything else is history I guess   interesting so uh yeah because when you said that  you wanted to get buff for the girls I think the  

The most common thing would be to go to the gym  uh which as a young guy with 13 14 is difficult   because I also had the the rumors or I don’t know  if it’s true but that young young guys shouldn’t  

Lift weights because uh it can stop their growth  or like give problems later um but um yeah yeah so   you started at a high higher level um in in Street  workout like higher level in terms of most people  

Struggle with their first pullup pull-ups in the  beginning but you had a really good foundation   already did you do any other sports before  yeah yeah that’s what I just wanted to mention   uh because I have such a good foundation I was  actually uh training wrestling which is like a  

Straight strain sport you really have to have some  power and I remember after every training session   a trainer will told us uh before you go home you  need to do this this this exercise for this amount  

Of reps and that was kind of motivating because  we couldn’t get home before we finished all the   the Reps and that’s kind of actually that was my  first uh touch with Street workout just I didn’t  

Realize it back then but yeah I was doing pull-ups  even back then and we were climbing ropes doing   push-ups and stuff like that interesting can you  take us more on the the way to uh becoming the  

Bruno you are today uh the guy beating Max true at  the the Beast Wars uh competition um can you take   us more what was your training system why did you  progress so fast is it um because you trained uh  

Like really disciplined and uh with a good system  or do you think it’s more more your genetics can   you take us more on your on your way from the 13  14 year old to now sure so I think all that you  

Mentioned I think it’s a little uh little less  everything in a certain amount so I definitely   think that I’m uh gifted genetically I’m as you  heard I’m pretty short I mean 172 76 kilograms uh  

But of course there is a lot of hard work behind  it um I think that I started with a pretty good um   foundation and uh training style because I kind of  even today I stick to the same kind of um approach  

That I began with which is crazy because uh I was  fortunate enough to even start uh to train that   way which is kind of circular routines with short  amount of rest uh I didn’t really know anything  

About the sport back then but somehow you know I  managed to get it right because many people start   one way and they kind of uh change it uh on the  way forward because they kind of look the other  

Video videos uh hear what other people are talking  and they think you know that’s the way to go with   it and they kind of change it and their body just  doesn’t you know have to adapt on uh new training  

Style so yeah I kind of started um correctly  I was uh I actually wanted to be a freestyler   back then uh I mean that was pretty popular at  the beginning of Kelly tanks you know freestyle   doing uh planches doing front lers but I never  spee uh specifically trained for a freestyle I  

Was always uh doing regular trainings with uh  pull-ups push-ups dips and then when I felt   like I have a strength I would like just you know  try to do a strle plch or a back lever and that’s  

How I climbed up that’s how I you know realized  okay I’m powerful enough for this let’s now go I   don’t know to bigger element but then I realized  even though I’m good in Statics uh acrobatic was  

Never my strong suit uh which is uh very important  for the competitions you want to have like static   Dy Dynamic and acrobatic if you want to win you  know uh so that’s when I realized okay maybe maybe  

This freestyle wasn’t for me but I still realized  that um every night I’m doing sets and Reps so I   kind of sets and sets and Reps wasn’t popular  back then uh it was getting popular maybe four  

Years after I started uh to train Kelly standings  but I always kind of stick to it and when it got   popular I remember that I signed up for uh a first  competition I was already going to college back  

Then and I realized I have potential you know  to to be good in that so I kind of stick to it   I realized uh I were there were a crew back then  that I trained with uh and we were basically on  

The same level on everything but I always realized  a deep for some reason I’m especially good you   know better than anybody in dips I was doing the  same am amount of pull-ups as everybody s l to  

Pushup dips for some reason you know I’m just good  at it I guess uh genetics plays a big role in it   so that’s why you can see me doing crazy sets like  uh with dips today but everything else is purely  

Hard work I guess but interesting that you say  that you didn’t change your training style too   much because uh I remember when I started with  uh strength sport in general uh it was always  

Said that uh you need to change uh like you need  to shock your muscles you need to give new stimuli   to your muscle um to and change uh training Styles  like from uh many reps to slower less reps and  

Stuff like that to always have like new um yeah  new stimuli for for the muscle what do you think   about that um I definitely think that’s true uh  uh but if you compare I don’t know smart approach  

With just a stubborn approach I think you end up  you know on the same level at the end of the day   because I think uh on the number one number one  uh how would I say that on the pyramid scale was  

The most important thing uh it’s being uh how do  you say it um how you say in English consistent um   cons actually yeah ex exactly L consistency is the  number one key so even with maybe a little worse  

Approach I ended up doing uh good because I was  consistent enough I’ve doing this for 13 years you   know so actually it’s a really really long time  when I started and where I am today there was a   really really uh big path in between that’s  super interesting because we just had a live  

Q&A with with Max true two days ago and he was  saying basically the same thing that there might   be smarter ways there might be more scientific um  better ways than his training style but he’s just  

Um yeah he’s just doing it and being disciplined  and like uh he’s having a lot of volume and a   lot of uh reps in in it and this is why in the  end he’s uh yeah he’s he’s making more progress  

Because he’s just sticking with this thing and  that’s super interesting that you say the same   thing um that’s uh yeah might not be the smartest  but if you stick with it if you’re disciplined if   you do it consistently you’re you’re winning  exactly at the end of the day doing what you  

Love is the key you know yeah wow cool um so can  you take us into a typical workout week uh into   your split for the week uh right now of course um  right now I’m actually Del loing for the obvious  

Reasons I’m am injured as hell but let’s say I’m  not so my casual training week is like um one day   is like a circular training where I’m doing um  70% pull exercises and then active rest uh that  

Are 30 uh 30% are push exercises so I use them for  active rest actually they’re not hard they’re just   there you know to keep my uh metabolism going  um and then the second day it’s uh push focused  

Training it’s like a push endurance uh 90% of the  time that’s like some kind of a pyramid where I’m   you know doing uh dips on time or push-ups on  time let’s say 13 31 pyramid with um 45 seconds  

Interval rest can you explain the 131 uh what  you oh yeah sorry uh it’s like a pyramid style   so let’s say you have an mom but in mom you do the  same amount of reps on the minute but I do like  

Pyramid style mom so every 45 seconds I do one rep  more I go from one to 30 and then I lower it down   from 30 reps to 29 28 27 and back all the back to  one you know so that’s kind of the the principle  

And on the third day uh it’s it’s kind of mixed  it’s between push and pull 50/50 or I do legs the   third day I often uh listen to my body you know if  I if I’m sore from uh the day before I do legs if  

I’m not I’m doing the push and pull kind of uh  training routine uh the fourth day oh wait let   me think was the four day um I didn’t I haven’t  done this in a long time because I’m so injured I  

Forgot my training routine I think it’s uh I think  yeah I think it’s uh a push routine another push   routine similar to uh the one before uh fifth day  is another pull routine and the six day is leg day  

So pull push legs or pull and push and then again  pull push and legs I think it goes like that and   then the rest day of course okay okay nice so uh  you’re quite balanced between pull and push even  

Though you’re like uh that’s at least like what  I see is uh like your your strength is uh mostly   in in push um but uh you put the same effort in  pull and push throughout the week right exactly  

I like to you know keep it balanced because even  though I’m good in dips that’s like the only push   exercise that I’m good at I’m in push-ups I would  say I’m equally as good as in Pull-Ups so I can  

Do thousands of thousands of dips but push-ups  are for some reason you know much harder for me   to do so I like to keep it balanced for you know  each case okay yeah but push-ups at least at the  

Competition was uh the the exercise where uh you  had a lot of time one uh in comparison to Max who   is like not not the strongest and push like it’s  it’s both on extremely high level so it’s but he  

Himself says like push-ups um was was the weak  exercise in this routine where he lost a lot of   time yeah exactly exactly that kind of saved  me yeah but how did you prepare for uh Sweden  

Uh so you had your um uh your Rehabilitation after  ltia um and how did you prepare then for Sweden uh   actually all this time I was having Rehabilitation  I was doing de loads for the whole time when I was  

Uh because I felt like is if I’m about to uh turn  up the volume I’m something’s going to snap you   know I’m going to get injured so I didn’t want to  risk it I actually to be honest with you I really  

Didn’t plan to win uh because I knew that I’m not  done my 100% so winning was just a even crazy for   me when I realized that I in finals with Max  through I was like you know you can actually  

See it on camera I was in disbelief I was you know  shaving my hand like what the [ __ ] is happening   right now so yeah I really didn’t plan to win I  glad it happened uh because I I already told you  

It’s like a high life of my uh of this year know  great experience but yeah I I did like basically   everything I just said I did but maybe 60 to 70%  less uh of what I usually do sorry 30 to 35% of  

What I usually do so I was like on 65% of my true  potential on my trainings when was the uh your   strongest point that you’ve been at your strongest  um I think it was last year that’s when everything  

Started to go downhill because uh I felt you know  it’s because of kind of I would like to say I was   getting cocky with it because uh I really felt  strong I so I wanted to push my Instagram to  

Grow you know and what I realize is when I do like  crazy sets like I don’t know uh breaking records   or anything like that it goes kind of viral you  know so I wanted to do that you know I was like  

Okay so all I have to do all I have to do is break  a record every week you know uh at that point it   looks it looked possible but then injuries started  to come uh and I realized it’s not it’s it’s not  

Like that so because of my cockiness I’m today I’m  going through what I’m going but that’s a super   interesting learning and I think a lot of athletes  have have to do this learning uh because you can’t  

Post a PR every week you know you can’t uh post  uh only the like uh as you said a record every   week um it’s the body is not not made like this  it’s uh exactly I think do you have any endurance  

Do you also have like Peak phases and phases  where you just uh like maintain uh because in in   Street lifting you have like these um yeah these  different phases you go through in your workout  

To finally Peak after a few month uh and uh do a  one rep max lift um how does it work in endurance   time is a big factor in my training so uh I mean  weather and everything so when I train in summer  

It’s hot so I’m not physically able to do my Max  so that was kind of my Del loading phase summer   and winter winter it was too cold to give my Max  you know so more naturally I lose the strongest in  

Spring and out out that’s when I that’s when my  pecking phase like uh came in so I wouldn’t say   I was really uh thinking about it everything was  happening so naturally you know and it worked so I  

Am learned that if something something worked you  don’t change it you know okay so if we would um   have someone because we in the in the questions on  Instagram we received a lot of general questions  

You know how to get it to this level of endurance  explosiveness and your favorite uh way to progress   fast I think it’s really general questions but  what I felt and what I saw also with with Max is  

That a lot of things that are normal for you are  not normal for for other people so um maybe let’s   let’s try to find some principles that you have  about training that brought you to the level that  

You are here um do you have any like principles  any rules for yourself um that you think um yeah   M the Bruno who who’s sitting here today uh well  I think I have a good one uh still maybe a lot of  

People uh wouldn’t find themselves uh in that  principle but when I do my trainings I’m more   considered about um the rest time to shorten it  than to to put volume up so in that way I kind  

Of adapting my body you know to rest quicker and  not to do uh more reps so my trainings are always   like do this amount of uh reps in this amount of  time and what’s uh what matters to me is amount  

Of the time so uh in which I done the Reps so  when I feel satisfied with the time let’s say   I don’t know I’m doing a thousand push-ups uh I  want to do them in less than 25 minutes you know  

If I don’t do it in less than 205 minutes I’m  doing 100 push-ups again the next time I’m not   changing anything per forms can be perfect but  if I you know satisfy my rest periods my time   I don’t uh change anything about my routine so  many people are uh consider considering changing  

The volume you know across the time but what I’m  looking is uh like that rest in between you know   to rest as as short as possible between the sets  so you set yourself a routine your training you do  

It and then you feel oh I could have done this  uh much quicker and then like when you’re just   not maxing out uh you try to put the um the rest  shorter uh and repeat the same thing just quicker  

Exactly exactly that’s my Approach when do you  go up in volume when there is minimal rest like   I don’t know 10 seconds or something or when do  you go up in in volume that’s a good question  

Uh I often like to go I mean it still depends  of on the on the routines but when I doing my   basic circular routine uh that is mostly pull-ups  I lower my rest to 30 seconds uh so when I’m able  

To do everything in 30 seconds that’s when I’m uh  with perfect form of course that’s when I bring up   the volume even more okay so you bring down the  rest to uh 30 seconds and then you like keeping  

The good form Etc and then you go up in the volume  and maybe you have to go up in the rest again then   to 45 seconds or something and then you try to  have the new volume uh push it down to 30 seconds  

And then again you go up in in in volume exactly  like that yeah yeah interesting because that’s a   different kind of progressive overload um but  without having to add like 1.2 5 kg of weight   or like without um adding the weight incrementally  but with shortening the rest time yeah that’s the  

Thing because in body weight I train I train  p uh pure body weight I don’t have another uh   way to you know turn up the intensity but this  one that you just mentioned yeah I lowered the  

Rest so that kind of comp compensates uh with that  intensity that I’m lacking you know if I turn down   the rest that means the density automatically goes  up because right now now I I I have much rest to  

Work with and that’s why you know it’s it’s more  intensified and I think this training style leads   you to regenerate quicker and add competitions  to just be like more enduring because I think  

The the term uh how do you bring up your endurance  or how do you get to this uh level of endurance is   basically um another question for how do you  regenerate so quickly how how are you capable  

Of uh yeah taking back power so quickly would you  agree to that is is endurance the capacity of uh   being able to regenerate quicker yeah being able  to do uh the same intensity for long amount of  

Time yeah it’s like Marathon yeah you you kind of  find intensity that works for you for your body to   cope with for the rest I don’t know 30 minutes 1  hour and the closest training that you can do for  

That is like emom you know so you have a certain  amount of time to rest which is always the same   you try to keep the intensity same and then you  go for it for like as I said half an hour an hour  

So yeah that’s exactly this uh what gives you  that uh endurance during the competitions ex uh   even though you know competitions rounds are more  like five 5 to seven minutes not more than that   but still it gives you a great starting point you  know increase your endurance yeah because what I  

See also uh when in the first set like um I think  someone like me an an average athlete let’s call   it is always like it’s easy to have the first set  quite close to to someone like you but then the  

Performance drops so much and uh like uh someone  who isn’t doesn’t have a good endurance is like   after the second third set he’s like dropping  a lot and he needs a lot more rest um yeah and   that’s that’s what I love about these competitions  uh about this especially this competition that  

Happened in uh in Sweden because whoever uh  made the rounds did them perfectly because I   don’t usually rush in my rounds you know I have  my own pace and I realize if round is good if it  

Really tests your um endurance your strength you  don’t need to rush just keep the same Pace uh if   you are truly more endurant you’ll came up first  in the end which which is what happened you know  

Uh because people were were rushing it uh for  first couple of seconds and they fell down and   I was able you know to keep my um intensity the  same throughout the the whole round so that’s why  

I didn’t really rush to know put up my weight uh  weight waste take down my weight waste on those   little you know because uh if I can mention uh  at the World Cup rounds uh rounds were made a uh  

Little less uh perfect than uh than this because  they were more like a race you know uh rounds were   like um I don’t know maybe three to four minutes  and people who were really good in Street workout  

Who were which performance were was pretty High  um those rounds meant nothing you know uh and uh   the considering Factor if you’re going to win or  if you’re going to lose was uh will you put down  

Or up your West quicker than the other person you  know so that’s why I really really uh love this uh   competition that in Sweden because of it that’s  super interesting because uh yeah we had the  

Same I tried to also bring some of our athletes uh  more a leads to to Sweden uh to the competitions   a competition um but in the beginning um when I  talked with uh with ffield as as the organizer um  

The rounds had like the were planned as more short  like the year before and um then a lot of the a   athletes said hey um the the high level athletes  hey it’s too short if it’s like only three four   minutes it’s more like a speed competition and  less endurance competition because the true  

Endurance is shown at yeah seven eight minutes  something um and like more simple routines like um   less switching between the exercises but um more  reps uh of the of the exercises and um yeah it’s   interesting I I’m writing it down because we’re  currently also planning the endurance competition  

For the fibo uh which will take place in April uh  2024 um and uh yeah uh it’s it’s really good uh   like conf confirmation for that to have longer  rounds um and to more focus on this um because  

It’s it shows really more the difference between  an average athlete and an high level athlete in   endurance if the round is longer because I I will  admit when running you see the people who are not   experienced they start like running quickly in the  beginning you know and then they fall back you see  

It everywhere and I have to admit when you said  your 131 uh pyramid routine I also Al thought oh   he only starts with one and oh 30 doesn’t doesn’t  uh like seem that high as well and I thought oh  

I think he he he can can do better or I can do it  but I think in the beginning yes it’s easy but um   then in in the middle I think when you do the 26  27 28 and only 45 seconds when it starts to burn  

Yeah exactly so uh yeah I think like having a good  knowledge of your body uh having the confidence to   not rush in the beginning but to uh keep the heart  rate or the the intensity the same throughout the  

Whole round and uh not uh Rush on the unimportant  things I think that’s um yeah really good feedback   and good uh yeah advice from you for for  competitions yeah of course thank you uh I   wanted to mention one more thing uh especially  those kinds of workouts help you when you are  

Competing and when you got you know we get uh our  rounds on the paper for the first time we saw them   on the day of the competition you can kind of  mentally go through every exercise and kind of  

Know when it’s you know going to get hard and how  hard it’s going to be because you’re already you   know training exactly like that so you kind of  know how much to push at the start how much you  

Know uh intensity you should uh have how much  rest you should take in between every so uh it   also gives you that kind of an experience you know  having similar training routines like the ones on   comp competitions that’s true do you change your  diet uh when preparing for a competition maybe you  

Can uh share your general diet way of eating uh  with us um and then if you change something when   a competition approaches uh first of all no I I I  don’t change my diet my diet is pretty flexible uh  

I watch out what I eat but not uh uh the in the  way like I count in my calories uh more like I’m   just not eating simple sugars or you know uh how  do you call it those pets that are not natural but  

You know uh saturated refin refined F refin yeah  trans fs and things like that I’m trying to keep   my body healthy in that way uh the only uh thing  I keep in the track of is my protein intake which  

Is uh 2.2 to 2.5 uh grams per my uh kilogram uh  of my body weight and that’s really basically it   I really don’t uh watch out too much for you know  what I eat okay cool yeah but it also reflects my  

My experience that the protein intake is the most  important um how did you get to the 2.2 2.5 grams   um did you um yeah like just did you ever try more  uh I I would like to you know do more but uh it’s  

Hard to uh put so much food in my stomach uh 2.2  was like uh something that I’m I was just you know   eating and I was measuring okay if I just eat like  I normally do how much uh at a day can protein can  

I you know uh intake so the results were like  uh 2.2 and I was you know doing so some reading   and some research and for a bodybuilder that’s  completely flying F you know two to 2.5 grams  

Per kilogram so I was like okay I just need to  stick to my you know uh automatic routine that I   have and I don’t really need to change much about  it which is great for me you know yeah generally  

How do you get to like what kind of protein do  you eat what what do you you eat in general uh   so right now for breakfast uh I had some eggs I  usually you know try to uh intake all my protein  

From the food but I also I’m drinking away uh  protein shake protein powder um so that like   fulfills all the gaps uh during the day where I  where my protein intake is kind of low you know  

In between in between eating you know uh I kind  of uh do my protein Shades and of course after the   workout that’s when I drink as well but multiple  per day or uh one per day or depending on how how  

Your meals were so I would say uh I drink like  probably one scoop to one and a half scoop a day   of protein powder and everything else is you know  from the food okay and so 30 G to 45 G through the  

Powder okay and do you eat a lot of uh meat like  you already said eggs um what kind of protein   sources do you prefer exactly uh I eat a lot of  meat most popular uh is the chicken of course uh  

So basically chicken and eggs like 90% of the time  what I eat they are also the most cheap ones for   for for what you get get you know for the price  so it’s pretty convenient when you try to train  

And eat healthy I guess that’s true and I think  it’s super important to find a protein source   that is uh that your body is uh is is well uh well  digesting and that you can work with um because uh  

Yeah I’m uh always seeing like people trying to go  vegetarian or uh even myself I had the experience   that if you try to force yourself to eat protein  sources that your body is not digesting well and  

Using well uh it doesn’t make sense and then you  can uh you have like big troubles bringing up the   protein intake but um it’s really something that  I would recommend to everyone uh checking uh how   much like checking your protein intake as the  most um important metric and um yeah seeing  

Seeing Bruno triceps and shoulders uh definitely  is a is a good motivation for that to eat enough   protein yes that the chicken and eggs nice um  yes you you sent me some um of your craziest  

Per like the of the performances that you’re most  proud of uh before the the call and for me it was   super stunning there you wrote 100 pull-ups 200  push-ups in five minutes yeah that’s absolutely  

Crazy because it’s like the I think it’s an OG  routine from back back in the days from uh like   like to have 50 pull-ups and 100 push-ups in 5  minutes which is already a a crazy thing because  

It’s an eom of 10 pull-ups uh and um 20 push-ups  in yeah in in five minutes um and you just doubled   that um tell us H how how well I actually saw  that from another person you probably know he  

Was uh at the competition in Sweden his name was  Ur rash he was third in the competition bro his   performance is just crazy he was like my uh one of  my Idols back then because when I started he and  

KES they have back to the basic Channel they were  already pretty high and I will always respect them   because uh when I was you know just beginning  with sport they recognize my uh performance my  

Talent and they did a couple videos when I was as  I told you nobody know know about me so I always   respect him for that and yeah I remember ashki was  uh doing that set he did like uh he did it in like  

I don’t know four and four minutes and 45 seconds  something like that and I was like man I have to   try it and I really didn’t know the origin story  of that set I always I always thought that that  

Was the set and not uh you know the other one so  I was I was kind of it was kind of easy you know   to mentally uh go through it I guess because I  thought that’s what has to be done and I think  

I did it on my first try it was I mean I I were  I was already you know uh pretty high with my   performance that’s that was like uh on my very  close to my Peak Performance I think it was like  

Maybe two or three years ago I don’t know when  I recorded that set crazy yeah it it shows again   that standards are super important and um this is  why we often see um like people training together   who are all really strong because if you surround  yourself with strong people they become your  

Standard you know in in our gym we always had uh  Freddy as our uh like standard he always did his   90 95 100 kg additional weight pull-ups and for  for us it was like um the it it is possible you  

Know we all looked up to him and we had many uh  guys uh like um pulling 70 kg 75 80 because for us   the 100 was mentally prepared yeah exactly I like  that I like that and even the girls that’s like  

Like my girlfriend who were only training with  guys for them for her like 20 pull-ups is normal   you know that that she does 20 clean pull-ups  is normal but if you go if she would only train  

With uh with uh um let’s say girls in who just  started kenic I think it she would have different   standards and um this is why I’m super interested  in how do you have like a surrounding do you train  

Yourself alone and you get your standards through  YouTube or do you have uh like friends who you   train with and they are also Advanced who is  your training partner so when I started with  

A sport uh I would like to say that I that I was  a standard to others because uh as I said uh we   all started at the same time but for some reason I  would always you know learn stuff quicker because  

As I said uh at the start uh when we first started  with Street workout we wanted to do freestyle not   sets and Reps so uh I was always first to get I  don’t know uh stle plch front lever you know and  

For some reason those guys didn’t take that as  a motivation they take that as a h he’s better   I’m not genetically Built For This and they kind  of quick uh quit uh you know training along the  

Way but if they you know take a different approach  and uh told themselves look if he can do it I can   do it as well maybe I need uh more time I’m taller  I’m uh not genetically built I’m I just need to be  

More consistent they will definitely do it yeah so  it’s all about the Mind mindset I guess and when I   was go growing through the sport uh I think having  a standard standard that is better than you is uh  

The same as having no standard at all because I  was training completely alone so I didn’t know   what’s good what’s bad but I was you know shooting  for how you could say shooting for the Stars right  

I always because I didn’t know what’s average I  didn’t know what’s bad I didn’t know what’s good   I was just aiming you know I need to be better so  that’s probably the same as having someone who is  

Uh actually uh better than you well yeah like as  you said when when you have someone who who is a   lot uh stronger than you you can either take it  as a motivation or as a as an excuse um and this  

Is where where it’s uh like with everything in  life you can always you it always depends on your   reaction to it you know you can injure yourself  um but you can can take something from it and more   concentrate on on learning the theoretical things  about your sport or working on your weaknesses if  

You injured your elbow you can work on your legs  or something um but there are people who stop   because of it and people who double down you know  who say oh now now I’m going to going all in um  

That’s interesting that you also had this the best  things that I learned I learned from my mistakes   which is crazy you know so yeah I completely AG  agree with that you talked about Statics about  

Stradle PL and front lever uh how how do you what  is your level in Statics right now uh probably   close to zero I was pretty good at it you know but  uh when I realized that I’m uh having potential  

With sets and Reps I was you know going 100% at  it because uh if I would try to build myself in   sets and Reps and uh do Statics at the same time  uh I’ll probably be be average in both of those  

Uh you know so yeah I kind of left Statics behind  I think if I give myself one month two to three   months maybe I’ll be able to you know uh bring  back some of the best um elements that I could do  

Which is like uh full plch maybe for two to three  seconds but I’ll definitely be able to bring it   back and heest I heest was probably my the hardest  element that I did I don’t know I’m I guess I’m  

Better in pools some people I see pulling hero  like like it’s nothing but it was like much harder   than full plch for me so yeah heest I’m the most  proud of it do you think there is a direct benefit  

Of training reps and like a transfer of strength  when training reps that you automatically improve   your static so that you automatically learn  the front lever by doing a lot of pull-ups   and when you’re Elite in pull-ups oh yes yes of  course uh because that’s how I basically learn  

My Statics through the sets and Reps so yeah  it’s it’s basically the same when you see uh   when you compare I guess Street work outer with  uh bodybuilder because I saw many Street routers   when they you know try to lift weights they will  do much better than any guy who lifts weights and  

Try to do pull-ups you know they’re just kind of  because of that maybe high volume training type of   training they just build themselves you know for  uh other things uh they they basically have more  

Power I would say so so yeah definitely sets and  sets and Reps can build a good foundations for uh   Statics I think one reason is the high volume as  you said uh maybe another reason is the full range  

Of motion because if you train in the full range  of motion you also have strength everywhere and   not like a bodybuilder who has problems holding a  stradle plch because he doesn’t have that straight   arm strength because he only and if you compare  compound exercises with the iso ISO exercises as  

Well yeah yeah exactly in the beginning you said  uh you’re natural uh and uh why do you say that   bro I have like uh hundreds of questions from uh  other people bro are you natural it’s always funny  

To me to ask that question because even if I’m  not do you really think that I’m going to know   to to tell you that I am but I am uh I’m natural  um yeah I guess people we talked about standards  

And people today have a really long St standards  because there are not a lot lot of people that   are that are truly putting in work and that are  natural at the same time I would like to say and  

That’s why you know when you see and of course  uh Street workout uh sets and Reps high volume   trainings are pretty new to you know uh human  population I would say because uh there are uh   many people are most familiar with bodybuilding  and you already know what you’re are able to you  

Know uh achieve with bodybuilding natural but no  one knows what you’re able to achieve with high   volume body weight trainings uh natural so if you  see a street work outer you know that is Better   Built than uh a bodybuilder he’s automatically  you know on STS or something like that which is  

Not the case I truly think that uh for a great  body Street out is probably much better options   if you are starting with and you want to you know  do it natural and not compete on the stage like  

Other bodybuilders yeah it’s interesting because  it’s so much simpler you know you don’t have to   think about a lot of things as you said maybe  it’s not the most effective way to get there but   uh it’s like really simple by just doing a lot  of volume uh in pull-ups and dips and push-ups  

And muscleups um and um yeah I think this way is  also underrated to to build a physique with with   kenics and Street workout because there is still  the rumor you can’t build muscle with uh with with   Street workout yeah of course and it’s I guess  it’s pretty hard to follow through just because  

You know of such a high volume it’s much easier  you know to go to the gym and do I don’t know four   reps uh eight reps for you know four rounds  of these exercises and just you know kind of  

Switch from one uh weight to the other keep your  trainings simple but it’s really really hard you   know you really have to love uh Street workout  that way of training to you know so you’re able  

To cope with that kind of uh intensity that the  training can give you do you love your trainings   do you love every training that you do of course  of course and that’s the that’s why you know uh  

I still progressing because I love it so much I  I think about training but I’m not training you   know so uh yeah I 100% you know I love it the same  that I loved it the first time that I started it  

So yeah because otherwise you wouldn’t do it for  12 13 years now um it’s you have to love it to to   be able to continue it for such a long time and to  stick with it and uh put in the discipline because  

Discipline becomes easy when you love it you know  when you just love it so much then discipline is   like really easy and I think it’s actually hard to  call it discipline even you know when you really  

Love it so yeah then rest rest days become the the  torture like sitting sitting at home and not being   true that’s the discipline yeah taking a rest day  and yeah that’s true that’s true this is why it’s  

So important this is where I love kinic it’s like  it has so much variety you know uh I never judge   someone because he wants to freestyle or one rep  max or like reps or only Statics because I think  

The most important for everyone listening and for  everyone in the kelenic scene is that you find the   workout style that you love that you that fits  your personality your your passion and then it   becomes easy to uh achieve something great and  to uh reach your goals because um you will have  

It much easier like uh showing discipline and uh  you don’t have to fight against um not wanting   to train every day but if it’s a passion it’s much  easier that’s the best approach for me and this is  

Why people for example stika he switched to more  hybrid training uh we saw V Molen switching more   to to CrossFit which is all okay in my opinion  because I think the most important thing is that  

You don’t get bored and that you that you don’t  get set through your workouts but you really enjoy   them and this is what I feel when I see you you  know you you burn for it you you say oh you know  

[ __ ] tonit go away you know I want to I want  to uh yeah continue working out at full full   speed but um yeah of course yeah I can agree with  that 100% nice yeah what are the next goals what  

Are the next steps so for this year uh all that I  have planned right now is the competitions you are   um doing in fourth month but other than that you  know I just want to give my body the rest that it  

Needs right now because uh this last year I only  had planned one one competitions and I did three   of them you know uh in like four months I think  three competitions is four months um so yeah for  

This year I don’t think I’ll do anything uh until  the fourth month I’ll just uh do some deals go to   some sport massages you know and stuff like  that just feel better yeah and I guess we’ll  

See about uh what’s happening after that you know  nice so recovery advice uh from your side uh you   do de lo which means uh is it comparable to your  30% active rest uh dip training that you talked  

About on on Monday or how does the D Lo look for  you um so D loads for me are yeah basically the   same routines I just did less amount of reps  or I kind of increase the rest periods uh so  

I can focus on my range of motion you know and  stuff like that so yeah because I heard that for   the tendons uh the best way you can uh heal  the tendon to make it make it stronger is to  

Focus on uh is it decentric right uh type of M so  what I do right now is I just try to bring out of   uh the explosive explosiveness in my workouts so  I basically do everything slow uh so I still can  

Feel the burn of the workout even though it’s not  as int as intense as it’s uh usually is you know   because of that uh slow moments so those are like  my deals I also uh have I had one rest day a week  

Now I have two rest days I bring uh I had one leg  day a week now I have two leg days a week uh just   you know to get my upper body a little more rest  and I think that’s about it really uh yeah I I do  

Some form rolling as well stretching as well uh I  I realize it helps really really a lot you know to recover um and then the sport massages that  uh also help from time to time of course I  

Never been to one in my life so this year I’m  definitely going yeah I think it will change   my life man yeah I think you deserve it now  your body deserves it nice so it was really  

Really interesting uh to talk to you I really  enjoyed this uh this talk and I’m really looking   forward to see you perform next year at full  full power after these days of rest and uh d  

Load and um yeah thank you for sharing so much  thank you man it was a pleasure for me as well   thank you so much and uh Merry Christmas have  a good start into 2024 and yeah we’ll stay in  

Touch brono of course wishing Merry Christmas to  you and your family as well thank you bye-bye see You

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  1. Damn, been watching his channel lately and didn't knew he can beat max true. I guess there always bigger fish out there.

  2. I love the interviews you conduct. You ask the questions I would ask myself; you're a great interviewer. Also, the interviewees always show great predisposition. Keep it up!

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