Kalen DeBoer should replace NFL-bound Jim Harbaugh after Washington-Michigan Natty | 3 & Out Mailbag

John Middlekauff opens up the 3 & Out mailbag and answers listener questions about Kalen DeBoer replacing Jim Harbaugh at Michigan should he leave for the NFL, whether Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills are scarier than Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the NFL playoffs, the best landing spot for Michael Penix Jr. in the 2024 NFL Draft, if Philadelphia Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni could be fired, and much more.

0:00 // Intro
0:49 // Would Kalen DeBoer replace Harbaugh if he left?
4:35 // We are overthinking the Lions situation
6:30 // The transfer portal changed College Football personality
11:01 // Why the Bills are scarier than the Chiefs
14:05 // How can the NFL refs get better
18:08 // Penix would be great in Denver
23:31 // Sirianni is not getting fired
24:59 // Commanders off-season moves
27:06 // Tomlin messed by starting Trubisky
29:35 // Where does Vrabel coach next season?

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See if I can find my Instagram there it is we’ll start here for the mailbag you have mentioned previously that if Harbaugh was to leave for the NFL one of the top targets would be dbor do you think that now that they are meeting in the National championship and

Washington is joining the Big 10 that would still be a possibility especially if Washington beats Michigan what kayin dubor has done at Washington is remarkable he’s clearly really good it is easier to consistently win at Michigan than it is at Washington now when you’re a really good

Coach no matter where you go you’re going to have success so if he stayed at Washington they would be good but I think on a consistent basis Michigan is a much better job than Washington and washing is a damn good job Michigan’s top five job in the country right I mean

Michigan’s the cream of the crop as you’re seeing what Harbaugh’s doing right there with Ohio State which is easily one of the best jobs in the country LSU Georgia Bama it’s it’s a small list you know you could argue Oregon’s really become that because of Phil Knight’s backing but I I think

The question would be if Harbaugh leaves if they lose if dubor were to beat him and Harbaugh leaves let’s say to the Raiders or the Chargers or the commanders or wherever I I got no clue where he’s going to go I would guess the Raiders or Chargers because he’s been a

West Coast guy but now he’s been in an oror for whatever since 2014 so who knows would be I I I do wonder if Chiron Moore the offensive coordinator would take over pretty risky though and I know he won some games but I that to me feels a little bit like a

Stretch um I think the likelihood that Dore would be their first call and then Ryan grub the offensive coordinator would probably take over Washington would be my guess but is possible I guess they could give it to more they also could call Mike McDonald who’s now the Ravens offensive or defensive

Coordinator who was at Michigan but he was only there one year uh I I I think if dubor beats him if duor beat beats Michigan and then Harbaugh bounces how does Michigan not offer him the job now I don’t know listen dor from the dtas you know he’s not some elitist this

Isn’t Steve sarkeesian who was born on third base started coaching at USC at 26 years old right I mean this guy beat the bushes in the shitty programs nobody was paying attention coached a bunch of guys were probably laying sheetrock a and uh you know running delies right now or

Cutting trees whatever you do in the Dakotas right so he this guy came up the hard way I’d hire to Bor in a heartbeat are you g to give out golf bets on your goo podcast once the season gets underway does a bear in the

Woods I mean come on I I was looking at the board for the century for those of you that don’t follow golf obviously the PGA Tour and Liv are still kind of going at it there’s a golf tournament this week it’s called this the tournament of champ Champion so everyone that won last

Season is playing no cut event in kaaloa uh I’ve never played there my brother has it’s pretty awesome TR property and uh the problem is there’s no cut event I it’s it’s hard to bet on I’m I’m not messing with this week I I might dabble next week depending on what happens now

The only guy missing this week is obviously John ROM who won last year not there but I’m not going to wager on this tournament if I was theala 50 to one I’m not gonna lie I checked the board but it’s hard you know Scotty Sheffer just I can see Justin Thomas having a

Big year Kendall from Atlanta if you ask me Dan Campell and the lions were screwed and I believe this all began with the player eligibility the NFL recently put out a statement saying that players 50 to 79 must declare eligibility same old same old but the NFL has done away with number

Eligibility we have D lineman wearing single digigit numbers to me the craziest number this year by a mile is Clowney wearing 24 whenever I see Clowney 24 I’m like this is this weird not gonna sound like get off my lawn old guy don’t really like it he’s had an

Awesome season I I’d rather have him wearing single digits we’re in the 90s 24 don’t love but listen who each his own should the Lions give all the lineman numbers in the 40s that way no one has to declare the well you you can only have six again I’m no rules expert

Not everyone can be eligible right you you have to have five people on the line of scrimmage that block that aren’t eligible you can have six people eligible one including you know is always the quarterback so you usually have five players whether that’s running backs tight ends wide receivers I I

Think there’s a DM I was kind of scrolling through that ask me why don’t you have a guy eligible every single play you know an offensive lineman why would you want your offensive linemen they’re way easier to cover the they don’t move as well even if you get like

Lanee Johnson or Jason Kelce in his prime it’s like they don’t move as well as wide receivers and tight ends so it’s I I think we’re overthinking this a little bit we’re overthinking it ref screwed up lions got a little over aggressive had multiple guys scking up their hands even though that’s allowed

Uh listen screw up referees constantly nothing new but I just listen I don’t think it’s as complicated as we’re making it uh been wanting to write into the mailbag for a while but I had a conversation I wanted your opinion on been a long time Penn State fan and just

Today we got Julian Fleming in the transfer portal A co-worker of mine went ballistic about how he thinks a guy who went to Ohio State should not be welcome and that if he wasn’t good enough there he should lay in his grave who I I think he means stay there right

I’m on the belief that anything that could potentially Elevate this team especially on offense is never a bad thing what are your thoughts keep up the amazing work we live in different times right in the history of the sport free nil and the transfer rule where you don’t have to sit

Out I would say most transfers because when I got to Fresno State we had a couple guys that were like Oregon transfers they turned out to not be very good players but when you get a chance to get a bounceback at a smaller SCH it’s a you kind of take them right

Because you never could have recruited the guy out of high school turns out like they didn’t play there for a reason they couldn’t play for you they weren’t any good now it’s a lot different right you get Jordan Addison’s you get you get high-end players non- quarterbacks transferring all the time I do

Understand the older players going like if I went to a school especially a good school right let’s pick the top 20 schools like if you go to Oregon you go to Washington you go to USC you go to Penn State I know they’re not winning any real games but they’re they’re a

Real program Ohio State Michigan B Georgia LSU right Texas Oklahoma and then I transfer to a direct rival little weird because you’re taught at those programs like if you go to LSU you’re taught to hate Florida and hate Alabama right then well what if I transfer to Alabama now I understand

Once you get money it kind of shows you we’re just kind of numb to everything which I do think big picture like one problem listen I I I can talk about problems in the NBA as much as anyone not name Ethan Sherwood Strauss the NBA when I was a

Kid when it was humming Michael Jordan you know carrying the league making it as big as the NFL everyone hated each other right even though Michael would like play golf with Charles Barkley during the finals it turns out he was playing mental Warfare because he tried

To kill him on the court and the ultimately did but like the same guys stayed at the same places forever and they develop rivalries you knew Gary pton and Shan Kemp and Reggie Miller and his crew and Scotty and Michael and Patrick Hing and you just had these same

Guys on the team forever in college football historically the same guys on the team until they graduated or went pro now you know you have like I play at USC it’s like ah I’ll go to Oregon I was like it’s a little weird right like it’d be really weird to go

Michigan Ohio State or Alabama to Georgia but it’s gonna happen it’s inevitable now you can say money talks walks and it’s true or Texas and Oklahoma but I wouldn’t say it’s diluted the product but if if you’re the other team and you think the guy’s an upgrade

What are you gonna do say no I I understand the the coaches wanting him like I I do think from a player stand point be a little weird but maybe I’m just kind of old maybe you’re just numbed everything because we do it in Industries all the time Jump Around

Competition it’s all about money it’s all about having success so maybe it’s not that crazy I I don’t know the specific player I’m not super locked into every College roster but if you’re Penn State and you can get one of Ohio State’s good players what are you gonna

Do say no I it’s just bizarre I I get where older players I heard T-Bob on snaps talking about this like we were bred to hate certain teams despise them right so if you transfer into our program I’m supposed to like you it’s kind of weird but it’s 2024 different times

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In bonus bets only on draftking sports book with code JN jum on the crown is yours I enjoy your insights on the NFL that being said I have to question why you think the bills are scary but you can’t trust the Chiefs if you’re giving the bills a chance because of their

Quarterback how does that not apply to momes when I say scary it’s because I’ve seen their highend this season a couple weeks ago against Dallas and that was better than the Chiefs high-end like the Chiefs offensively have just kind of sucked this year and they have an elite an

All-time great offensive coach have an alltime great quarterback I I was watching last week mvs twice on a Crossing route that he would have walked in The End Zone it went right off his belly hit the ground it’s like I I whenever I read on social media like why

Do they keep playing him they don’t have anyone else I mean they’re not doing this because they don’t have a choice I just think this year they’re snake bit it just feels a little bit like their snake bit it does the Chiefs they won the division easily

They’re down is 10 wins in a playoff Victory do you know how many teams in the league would line up that’s your shitty season so I I I think that um if I was a betting right man right now Chiefs are win a playoff game I think

The Bills beat the Dolphins then the Chiefs beat the Dolphins in the first round and then depending on the matchup I I do think I don’t think the Chiefs would be a lock not to win another game but I I would say this year does feel

Like more than likely they’d be out in round two could they easily win two playoff games hell yeah Elite coach Elite quarterback feisty defense but the receivers can’t catch I mean valde scantling that drop he had on Sunday guy would have walked into the end zone it’s listen it’s football guys drop balls

Every time you watch the Chiefs the ball’s on the ground they lead the league in drops and it’s not because they don’t have good offensive coaching they have Elite offensive coaching they have Elite offensive scheme they have an elite quarterb back their offensive line Personnel wise is kind of struggled this

Year too is there something stopping a lineman from reporting every play I I just think this gets back to we’re kind of overthinking it because it’s the topic of the moment you don’t want one some of the best players on the other team are consistently their defensive lineman so

You’re gonna want your best offensive lineman blocking so more often than not the lions are going to want Decker to block your pass rushers right and two he’s not getting open consistently right the reason you do the trickeration you did this back in the day with JJ Watt

You do it now with some tackle eligibles is because it’s a trickeration if you constantly do it like I can run pass plays all day long with Tyreek or Devonte Adams or my you know um David njoku because they can get open part of it is getting open and most offensive

Lineman can’t get open without the uh you know deception right and that’s why the tackle eligible play is about deception it’s not because these guys are good at getting open you’re good at what you practice right what do offensive line practice blocking I’ve heard other pundits say it

Doesn’t make sense for the NFL refs to be full-time because they only need them to work one day a week my question is why couldn’t get them do training three or four days a week going over game tape reviewing the rule book or even playing dodgeball so they are agile enough not

To trip over Lamar Jackson I would imagine a a lot of these guys work throughout the week spend time studying their craft may maybe I’m naive Maybe I’m Wrong maybe they don’t do but I would guess you don’t just memorize you know the the rule book you’re constantly going over that you’re

Constantly doing some stuff throughout the week kind of like a side job I would imagine some people listening have a normal W2 job and have a side hustle and you spend time on the side however many hours 5 10 20 hours on the side doing stuff I would imagine now this is you

Know it feels different than a side hustle I just don’t know like all day game tape like you’re just they’re just not going to do that I I think a lot of this stuff sounds good in theory it’s like Academia a lot of stuff you go into a classroom makes perfect sense you’re

An econ 101 or accounting you’re like oh that makes perfect sense then you get in the real world you’re like yeah that ain’t going to work so it made a little more sense on the Whiteboard it happens in football too you draw a play up on

The board then you get out and it’s like well that made a lot more sense till ran Smith was running at me you know that made a lot more sense till my right tackle whiffed and TJ watt was in my ear hole so I doing game tape

Practicing the rules like I I think they’re doing that I I just think it’s one of those jobs that you could invest more I don’t think the ROI changes much I I truly believe that maybe I’m wrong Maybe I’m Wrong I I I don’t think making them full-time what would they do all

Week what would they do all week I I just don’t know what they would do all week they would justify cuz one some of these guys probably making three four 500 Grand off the field you’re going to pay them a million dollars is the ROI does anything change

I think a lot of people think that it would just be seamless no chance we’re dealing with human beings some of the best athletes in the world going rapid speed they’re going to be screw-ups I’ve said forever as a fan you hate it when the refs screw up your coaches hate it when

The players hate it when the refs screw up me as someone if I’m betting on the game or rooting for a team or against I it pisses me off the league office does not care they they do not care money is Flowing ratings are up they’re not changing and the the owners ultimately

Ain’t going to pay more do you think the NFL will ever address the half the distance penalty discrepancy for example at the end of the Lions Cowboys game they were on the two and then they were penalized five yards back to the seven then the Cowboys were penalized five yards but

The lions were only given half the distance so only back to the three and a half seems if you commit a 5-yard penalty and your opponents immediately commits a 5-yard penalty the ball should go back to the two that’s a very interesting question I don’t quite understand now

I’m sure the logic in the competition committee and when all the coaches and you know the gmms and the officials are in there I makes sense to me you get the penalty for screwing up even though they technically didn’t screw up the refs did but they might have because he might not

Have been covered but we’re not going to keep getting into that if you go to the seven well then you commit a penalty and you know because it’s not 10 yards we don’t get an even amount I only get to go half the distance I I’m with you it

Should go right back to the two even even Lions fans have to admit going for the two at the seven little nuts little crazy kind of stupid Broncos fan we’re going to draft a quarterback this year I absolutely fell in love with penx this year especially in the Texas game but his

Injury history scares me I can’t help but think B Knicks is a better pick especially for pay system what’s your thoughts I think Michael panx would be really good in shot paage system he gets rid of the ball fast he processes quick and he’s very accurate so even if it’s

Dinking and Duncan or short passes like he’s good at that and he adds a vertical element I think the B knck thing gets back to the Oregon thing that quarterbacks make me nervous I I’ll never forget Mariota who’s you know you could argue one of the best players in

The history of the program I thought he was kind of overrated wasn’t very accurate you know if you watch him play he missed some passes and physically like unlike Herbert he wasn’t as thick didn’t have as big of an arm and that offense guys are just wide open more

Often than not because they’re just they’re just a well- coached offensive machine and they have been for a long time uh you know with with this staff and obviously previous staffs with Chip Kelly and even early on in the hell years but I the bonick thing would scare

Me a little bit to me penx is dramatically a better Prospect but I do think penck or excuse me Nicks would have some similarities with what I think he always wanted when it came to tames Hill Nick’s a better passer ta’s bigger now ta’s you

Know 40 years old at this point but I mean legitimately I think T’s like 34 years old uh I I could see B Knicks I Can See Shawn pyton like B Knick I think Bo Knicks is an interesting guy I think a lot of people I think the Oregon offense a

Little bit like the Ohio State offense makes people nervous what do you think about the Patriots keeping both bills keeping both bills and drafting Michael pennx at number three whether they end up uh wherever they end up I honestly believe that if penx was on the Patriots

This year they could have won nine to 10 games hell they would have swept the bills this past week I have pennx as my number one player in this coming draft but totally get Caleb Bean the number one because he the better Prospect and penx has the injury

History but from watching penx I think he’s going to be next year’s stoud bur look well I I would say roud would be different than bur or luck because bur and luck were viewed as lock number one picks and then went in immediately were sweet Stroud while he went number two I

Think there were a lot of question marks on him I don’t think there were any question marks with BR or luck I think when the dust settles how does penx not go number top five overall like I said I think he easily could go two maybe listen the draft is about you

Know traits as much as it is what you do on the field which is crazy but some some’s going to fall in love with this guy he he’s going to get drafted really high the only thing to me that could really derail teams from his scent would

Be if medical is like he has a degenerate knee which happens sometimes it happens to running backs who have had knee injuries they go to the combine they go to the medical check and it sets off red flag alarms and I if there are Buzz or word that we don’t know if his

Knee will hold up for a second contract that that could derail the situation now as we’ve seen like doctors aren’t always right like they they said Drew Brees was never going to be the same it’s why the why the uh Miami Dolphins didn’t sign him I’d say that turned out pretty well

Now 15 20 years later Drew I saw Drew bre his shoulder doesn’t even work now he can’t even throw his kids so they just they were just off on the timeline hey didn’t Harbaugh lose the NFC Championship Game In The Rain having aook catch and fumble punts didn’t he

Almost blow the game having a freshman fumble a punt on the three the dude deserves to get a 35 to3 beat down in the finals well I think if you go back to Kyle Williams who was the returner against the New York Giants in Eli’s second Super Bowl the Niners offensive

Weaponry was not great they did not it wasn’t exactly like uh Debo auk you know in company their wide receiver sucked so he was out there I would say more on the necessity than him just throwing back a rookie it was also pouring rain uh what was your other thing

Have listen it’s easy to blame special teams coaches I like doing it you like doing it eventually the player has to use his head right like what are you doing one I think the player freaked out because he called a fair catch they weren’t even that close to him I I think

He kind of just had a mental brain fart calls fair catch then just gets scared drops the ball and let’s face it they got very lucky if they would have lost on either a safety whether you know he had fumbled it in picks it up and they

Tackled him or he fumbles it and they fell on it in touchdown and that’s how hard ball lost that game I think that would have been the worst loss in the history of football beside Harbaugh’s play against Michigan State then he get a punt block for a

Touchdown or a field goal block for a touchdown like his first or second year I I forget the exact moment moment but definitely had one of those longtime Eagles fan very disappointed with their recent performances in coaching what are your thoughts on harbot of the Eagles

Seems like a good fit can Howie and lurry pull it off I would be a little stunned on that one um I I don’t see that I don’t see that happening I don’t see that happening I I I think even if serani were to lose out

Lose to the Giants and then lose in the first round he’s coming back he’s coming back I mean just a month ago he was 10 and one uh but but I do think he’d be in major trouble I I do think he’s getting another year but like I said you know on

The podcast part if your head coach is an offensive coach and your offense is a question your quarterback’s underachieving like that’s kind of a reflection of the head guy it’s being a head coach is about more than just motivation it’s about scheming and developing and improving

And right now serani is feels like he’s kind of dropping the ball on that I would be stunned if serani no matter how ugly it gets I guess if they got shut out this weekend and shut out in the playoffs you never say never but Jim Harbaugh Philly I don’t quite feel that

One this is a real question would you have sex with Brock P’s log of poop in the toilet thanks and keep up the good work that was a real DM just got question for the three and out podcast I’m a Washington Commander fan sadly what quarterback would we go after in

The draft and number two we’re not going to get Caleb Williams but I’m not convinced Drake May is as good as advertis I agree do you recommend we get May or Daniels in round one or Shore up our o line and try to get a guy like Bo

Nicks in round two he also said penx But I think it’s pretty clear penck not going to be there I say this all the time anytime we have these questions Patriots commanders any offseason question until I know who your coach is it’s a wasted exercise like to me commanders obviously

Ron’s getting fired Monday morning who’s their next coach who’s their next coach if you told me Bill bich in their coach I could see him just loading up the roster and playing a season with Sam how or drafting a guy in the mid- rounds I

Do not think he’d be locked to take a quarterback at number two do not think it but if you told me like Ben Johnson was their next cach coach they would take a quarterback a young coach more likely to take a quarterback to me than even Jim Harbaugh you told me Jim

Harbaugh was the next coach I I can see him taking like an offensive lineman so I until we know the coach the management structure of any team it’s impossible to guess what’s going to happen moving forward it really is and I I think obviously Oakland or Vegas Chargers who

Else am I missing terer commanders you know the Saints if they miss the playoffs he’s getting fired um you know the Patriot situation I’m sure there are going to be several others that we don’t even quite Atlanta it’s just impossible to know Chicago it’s even guessing like well

Who’s making the decision who’s making the decision because if you tell me the Bears win this weekend and they bring everybody back like yeah maybe they do keep Fields if Fields outplays Jordan love because if he outplays Jordan love you feel pretty good about like that’s

The guy you gotta beat Jordan love’s not going anywhere he’s through 30 touchdowns so if we can beat him on the road in Lambo when they got a win to get into the playoffs maybe he survives how did Tomlin have Mason Rudolph as a third string quarterback coming into the

Season I know he has only played two games at this point but he’s clearly an improvement over trabis and even pick it the mismanagement is the reason I feel the Steelers need to move on from Tomlin if you want to argue with me about Tris and I I’ve seen some comment

Whenever I’ve said that tris’s contract is the worst in the NFL and people like DeShawn Watson Russell Wilson those guys are starting quarterbacks deshaun’s obviously not wasn’t very good this year but when he played their team W they went like five and one Russell’s not a

$50 million guy but you play him he can throw touchdowns he can keep you in Games you start trabis you are guaranteed to lose guaranteed to lose that’s with TJ watt Fitzpatrick some other good players High Smith guaranteed to lose guaranteed not just lose but look terrible 8 million you paid

$8 million for a guaranteed loss yeah Russell’s overpaid but I can win a game DeShaun Watson’s overpaid I can win a game you could you lose you miss the playoffs because of Mr bit you don’t even sniff the playoffs if he’s your starter and when you make him your

Backup he’s one snap away from starting the whole season so you can’t blame mat mat Canada for that I do not believe you can blame the the ownership for that maybe there was organizational pressure from the new GM I I don’t know I’m with you that move it’d be one thing if like

You know they haven’t looked that much better they’ve won it they look dramatically better they look like this team would would be a real wild card team this version is like God if they were the six se could they beat the chiefs with this Mason I don’t know if

They could but you would take them seriously if I’m a Steeler fan I’m pretty pissed off right listen Kenny pick it under a chevs you drafted him you had to play him whatever the moment he gets hurt we we we not only went to trabis we went with him for a

While what was the game oh was the Colts game when they threw in Mason at the end the like two minutes left to go in the game why didn’t we do this at halftime that game alone cost you the playoffs if you could have just WI to him in the bullpen at

Halftime there was this loyalty to trabis like he was rothberger crazy Michael Lombardi mentioned that vel’s contract is up if true he’d be a top candidate for most teams no Chargers yeah he uh one thing’s pretty clear is the buzz on Vel was not that he was going to get

Fired which kind of felt like a couple months ago it’s like what’s going on there he doesn’t like it right and what he clearly doesn’t like the structure something with ownership this new GM uh and he’s got options because anytime you’ve won Playoff games you have his resume as a player uh

You have his respect around the league he would be a lock higher you you could argue if him and Tomlin were available like who would you rather have same similar guy right in terms of just tough old school uh the other thing if Arthur Smith gets H fired if you’re Mike Vel

You just bring Arthur Smith as your offensive coordinator and after what we just witnessed in Atlanta I mean Arthur Smith like he ain’t getting another job for a couple years so you basically get Arthur Smith and brael it’s why I think bich is kind of interesting as a head

Coach obviously he’s bill bich but like he’s he gets to reunite with Josh McDaniels if he wants to so part of it’s a package deal if I’m gonna hire a defensive coach who’s your offensive coordinator it’s why I like you know colins’s big thing on offensive coaches because when

I hire you you call the plays I I give Shawn pton $90 million listen we might have issues I know that guy’s calling the plays Andy Reid McVey Kyle laflor what the Irani doing even Dall CEO head coach your offense is terrible I dall’s offense is atrocious you’re the offensive coach

Your defense is good the defense coordin doesn’t want to be there anymore uh I think we’ll end on that so keep firing those DMS at John moff have a good uh hopefully everyone’s having a good week we only get to say Happy New Year for a couple couple more days so

Happy New Year see you soon