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Get in the know nonstop Vikings talk it’s purple daily on scor North and scor.com welcome to another year of purple daily here actually we hit you with our first episode of the of the Year yesterday and now uh we’re rolling along here on this Tuesday presented before we get into
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For 400 plus yards JJ McCarthy leading a game tying drive against Alabama Bo Knicks carving it up setting the NCAA season record for completion percentage uh if that didn’t spark your quarterback curiosity yesterday I I don’t know what can oh nothing can and and it was also
Great uh especially in the two uh semi-final games wasn’t it fun to watch college football that means something that where guys don’t opt out because it’s a playoff like I can’t wait as much as as there are certain people some dear friends of mine who love the Bulls
Right next year the expanded playoff is going to be so much fun more players not like yeah it’ll be like FSU won’t 25 dudes skipping a game and getting their ass kick because they’ll be one of the eight teams in the playoffs there will be blowouts I get that because we saw
Two semi-finals Monday that were fantastic okay so if you have a bigger field there will be more or there will be some games that aren’t great but at least they’ll try and be competitive and I thought La I thought last night like how do you judge a quarterback now in a
Ball game that’s not a playoff yeah it’s hard it’s hard they’re playing an exhibition in which to your point guys opt out left and right and if they do play you’re like well he’s sort of half crazy he’s playing at all like I get it but like
Last night pennx to me like you’re watching that that is the game of his life right there right that’s the most important game that he has played in his he made millions of dollars last it right it was awesome to watch and you’re right as a Vikings fan follower we’re
All like hold on a second here that translates that looks like it translates so yeah let’s I’ll start with deck on this one which quarterback that you’ve sort of seen bonick you know on the national Spotlight here JJ McCarthy Michael penx last night which one are you most interested in wearing a purple
Jersey in 2024 or or none of them K bring Kurt Cousins back lifetime contract jiren Hall Nick Mullin give me more of it give me more of both those guys uh I would say of the rookies the ones that intrigue me the most are penx uh penx is pretty interesting to me he
Know always the Lefty and Lefty quarterback are a little interesting because they’re rare breeds you have to flip your entire offense uh but penck athleticism and just his size man like I like McDaniels too but um I think panx with all the size and the tools that he
Has like that that stuff intrigues the heck out of me I don’t think they’re going to be in the market to get a drake May or a Caleb Williams for the most part um and we talked a little bit about this on PD on on purple daily on draft
That launched yesterday of hey if the F’s first two guys are off the board are you scared that the Vikings are going to reach for the guy at 11 and Forno and Miles brought up two good points of well two things if they’ve identified you know McCarthy or pennx as their guy and
He is available at pick 11 or pick 10 you take him because you’ve identified him and you trust him it’s not a reach at that point but the flexibility the Vikings have here at pick 1110 to either move up or he maybe move back a couple spots gain like an extra third round
Pick which is I believe what the Saints did when they got Chris alve last year or two years ago they basically gained a second round or a third round pick for moving back one spot in the draft so there’s plenty of options on the table
And that’s why this top 10 pick is so intriguing but I think of all these rookie QBs that one that right now at least interest me the most I think it’s pennx so this is what makes us great too you guys is we are at the we are are um
In the Quarterback restaurant right and we’re just starting here like we’ve got the combine coming up we got the pro is coming up so so like last night was an appetizer pennx intrigues me a lot and I loved what I saw except for the Medicals at the combine will be incredibly
Important he tore his right ACL at Indiana twice he he um separated the shoulder in his uh throwing arm once I think he broke the his right collar bone but I mean the Medicals for him it’s become incredibly important there feels a little like Sam Bradford where he those
Knees probably aren’t holding up at age 38 necessarily well will they hold up at age 34 like that’s the thing but anyway um I guess if you were to ask me about the quarterbacks from last night the sugar high is pennic for sure like what
We saw he made the throws um that looked like a dude that can run an offense for sure but I got to be honest with his age I understand the Curiosity or fascin on Michigan’s J JJ McCarthy too um there’s something about how he’s wired that I think is going to knock team
Socks off and you got to be a little careful there but you know what this is the potential CEO of your franchise for years to come and here’s what I like about McCarthy it doesn’t come off as an act and I’ll tell you why he comes back out there after the whole celebration
Last night right and there’s ‘s a photo of him on the field just like soaking this in an appreciation and when you see him talk to you know after the game when he gets his postgame uh opportunity to talk to the on field reporter there’s a certain maturity there that is really
Impressive pennx knocked my socks off like right now I’m like Michael penck it’s great but when you know that there’s going to be questions about his knee and when you know that there’s going to be far more prodding done with him and McCarthy and all of these guys
To be upfront about it uh I’m not going to dismiss McCarthy he’s a kid who doesn’t act like a kid and I’m guessing that there’s a lot more there potentially so I thought if you’re a Vikings fan if you’re a Vikings fan and you think they’re going to move on from
Kirk which I they might not but if you think that they’re going to I think what we’re seeing here is pretty exciting you know I I will I’ll preface CU we’re going to be doing a lot of this the next four months talking about quarterbacks because right now the only two
Quarterbacks under contract starting in you know I guess I was going to say starting on Monday of next week I guess technically it would be the league year on March 13th jiren Hall is under contract Nick Mullen is technically under contract but there’s a huge gap
They can save a lot of money by by cutting him yeah so if especially if they feel like hey jiren Hall at least he’s done enough in practice like he could be our backup quarterback I don’t know that fans would agree with that after the first performance against
Green Bay but they don’t have quarterbacks under contract is the main point here and I just want to preface this whole season of Reckless speculation discussion and I will only speak for myself by saying it’s impossible to have a strong opinion on who is going to pop and for sure be a
Star NFL quarterback and not even if you are the expert of all draft experts right is it Bryce young or CJ stra I don’t know I think it’s without a doubt Bryce young I think it’s well looks like it’s at CJ Stout right in previous
Drafts you know look at some of the guys that fall into the second third rounds that never should have right so it is an in exact science and any opinions that we have I think are more conceptual right it’s more about the value to me of
If you can nail a quarterback be at a penx or a JJ McCarthy smarter people than me are going to have to decide which one is the right quarterback if you can nail that guy now you’ve got five years of Team control and you get to save like compared to a kurk cousins
For instance 30 or $40 million in cap space to spread across other positions of need that’s the pipe dream I don’t think you should desperately reach for it now if you have a huge gap if you don’t maybe you see some flaws in pennock’s Medicals or whatever maybe you
Don’t think McCarthy he’s 20 years old right now maybe you’re just maybe those guys are later first round guys and there’s an edge rusher that could change your defense okay don’t be stupid and reach 20 picks for a quarterback but I just want to say say that like
Conceptually I want the Vikings to find their quarterback of the future not because he’s immediately going to be better than Kurt Cousins day one but because he affords me five years to save that extra money and make my team better thus making my quarterback better perhaps and last night only served to
Make me thirstier for that quarterback like the best version of Michael pennick you can see him threading a needle to Justin Jefferson in the back of the end zone JJ McCarthy dusting himself off after a bunch of adversity in the second half and finding way you got one drive
Against Alabama and Nick Sabin make it happen and he finds the open receivers right um it was yeah it it’s hard not to be excited for the future watching some of these guys play if you’re a Vikings fan and don’t forget outside of Williams and outside of May for sure and and
Probably Jaden Daniels as well there’s a chance that if you know penck physicals go wrong he might drop dropped to the second round JJ McCarthy we not positive I’ve seen him in in very different places in mock drafts and there’s always that one QB there’s always that one guy
Who were like well he’s a first round pick and we say it right around this time and then we’re doing the draft party and it’s like we’re in the second round we’re in the second round what’s going on here right so like that’s the that’s another uh factor or variable to
Keep in mind but the one thing that we know now though is the Vikings can put themselves in a far better position if they accept their fate on Sunday and if you weren’t going to play the Packers hard wait well you’re being a bad fan you’re being a bad I thought you root
For the Vikings root for the three-hour sugar high no matter what or you’re a bad I am well yes I’m a terrible fan I am rooting for I am rooting for the higher draft pick not just in the first round but all the subsequent rounds too because if McCarthy Falls guess what if
I li if I lose to the liance on Sunday and I really want McCarthy and he’s in the second round far better chance I can grab him now without a win that’s going to be absolutely worth nothing if they beat Detroit quick quick side street
Here for a second because I heard a lot of you know just discussing this before the game on uh New Year’s Eve this this notion that you’re a bad fan if you root for anything other than a win in the game that’s being played today the three-hour game being played today right
And there a big debate on the other side for I put a poll up and it was like 60% of people actually wanted the Vikings to lose that game at least the people that that voted and and and the other people were calling those those you’re a bad
Fan over here it’s like wait a second okay so let’s let’s call that three-hour football game on New Year’s Eve and the one that’s coming up against the Lions Let’s uh let’s call that your your pay your Vikings paycheck okay so you get by the Vikings playing a game
You get a Vikings fan paycheck you can either deposit that that thing right back in and you can let’s throw a party right now this will be great three-hour party right now and light that money on fire or you can take that money that Vikings fan paycheck and you can invest
It in your Vikings fan 401k or your Vikings fan investment account for future Viking success in 2024 25 isn’t this the most responsible way to be a fan right oh yeah boring rooting for a Vikings loss against the Lions is the thing to do as a fan I just want to make
That clear my my Tik tok’s all Financial ad it’s like 50% Financial advice right now it go through different cycles and right now it’s like what should be investig in should you do a Roth IRA or should you do a normal 401K but also if if you’re a Vikings fan and you’re
Looking at this like they have a chance here if they lose the Lions who apparently are coming in what was the word Dan Campbell used controlled Fury yeah yeah R it’s rage but it’s very controlled now D oh my gosh and if the Bears beat the Packers this means also
The Vikings will have a fourth place schedule with some of their common opponents so next year they have the NFC West and the AFC South those are locked in they’re going to play those teams no matter what but they also if they finish in fourth place next year would get the
Patriots at home the Panthers at home and also they’d have to go to the commanders so like you have a softer schedule if you do end up in this weird scenario end up playing fourth place but you’re a bad fan if you’re looking at that because I’m looking at 2024 right now
Here here’s what I think I I think Phil you got caught in the Packer Vortex though I think the people were like I saw a lot of outrage about how can you root for the Packers against the Vikings this is Detroit it’s laundry I’m rooting for the long-term success of the
Minnesota Vikings but I’m saying now I think now I think that that you know with the debacle that we all watched on Sunday night and Detroit now I think you’d probably get yeah I can see that now but you okay you want to play that game okay
If you are shaming I know you don’t I’m saying like the like the Royal you Royal right so if you’re if you’re shaming fans for rooting for the long-term success of the Vikings then should those fans shame you let’s say they lose to the Lions and they draft ninth or 10th
And they get access to a franchise quarterback whoever it is maybe Jaden Daniels Falls to seven by the way I was looking this up Josh Allen fell to seven Patrick Mahomes fell to 10 now the chiefs were like mid to late 20s they moved up you can move up I get that
But let’s say you get access to a franchise quarterback and you have to give up either nothing you can just draft him because he falls to you or you don’t have to give up future first- round picks to move up 15 spots if I was a worst fan and a worst
Human I would say you don’t deserve to cheer for that quarterback because you rooted for the Vikings your short-term Sugar High you didn’t eat your broccoli wow you shoved it in the garbage can for a 3our sugar high you’re flipping the script on these people you’re a bad fan
Is what I’m saying no no you’re a bad fan so let’s let’s stop the fan shaming here Spider-Man meme no you’re a bad fan you’re a bad fan um but yeah I mean like we can all come together and say now that that game is over whatever you were rooting for
What’s done is done and now there’s like a 2% chance of them making the playoffs like five different things have to happen including the Vikings going in and beating a clearly pissed-off Lions team that it is kind of fun to speculate on the the future here so uh one other
Thing to get into and and we’ll we’ll get into some some other questions and uh a p pecking order J Will guess the PFF grades but we’ve talked about this I feel like we have to reiterate this and set this conversation up every year on this show going back because it’s always
Kind of a are they going to resign Kirk are they not pretty much every every year there are three categories of quarterback situations in the NFL I don’t think there’s a fourth there might be a fourth but I’m pretty sure every team falls into one of three quarterback
Categories number one you have a rookie scale contract starter and ideally that guy is healthy and playing and leading your team Tua Jaylen Herz um CJ stra with Houston right now or you’ve got a guy he’s a stud he’s young he’s cheap relative to what his market value would be and you
Get to build out the rest of your team to help push that thing forward right so that’s Situation Number One the Vikings haven’t had that situation since Teddy Bridgewater like almost 10 years ago MH category number two you have a Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who can make up for deficiency
You’ve got a Patrick Mahomes Tyreek Hill we’re going to trade you we can’t afford you and still win a Super Bowl because Patrick Mahomes is that damn good right now some teams have Hall of Fame caliber quarterback on a rookie scale contract like Joe burrow until that recent
Contract might have qualified there so I think I think Patrick Mahomes fits that category uh Lamar Jackson I think is going down that path especially if he wins another MVP like he can just kind of he can just kind of Juke his way out of trouble and win games uh maybe Josh
Allen is a franchise carrier type of a guy and then the third category is where the Vikings have sat for six years and it doesn’t mean you’re doomed or you’re going to win only like five games you can win games in the third category and it’s the you have a good quarterback
Making big money category it’s the comfortable category but you could also say it’s where the lions are at right now with Jared gof it’s where the Dallas Cowboys are at with Dak Prescott you can still win like 10 11 12 games and and make a run if you are excellent at
Filling in those holes with draft picks hitting on late round draft picks finding free agent Bargains and whatnot what category do you want the Vikings to be in long term well Kurt Cousins is not a Hall of Famer he’s a good quarterback like if you were to win a couple Super
Bowls you might have a Hall of Fame conversation I want them to get out of that third category I don’t want to be paying a good quarterback a lot of money I’d rather either start over I think you can win more games with a less lesser quarterback than cousins making $30
Million less if you spend that money on interior defensive line a good running back all these other things but those are the three categories of quarterbacks that we should just be aware of like situations over the next few months and I think what you have to do is and this
Is the question and I honestly as we were discussing on the scoop with duges about I you know I tend to agree and I’ve talked about this before that the Wolves feel like they like Category 3 cuz they’re like well we got a good quarterback and who knows it’s safe yep
Yeah it’s it’s safe but it’s it lacks real probability of a championship I mean you can win thir 13 games you can probably make a playoff run but here’s my thing too is and there’s uh I I would call category one and two there’re sort
Of a half on each of those which is this do you draft a quarterback in the first round which gives you the fifth year option so so like with Herz it’s four years that goes by really quickly the fifth year option gives you the extra year and yes the fifth year he’s well
Paid but not like an elite QB would be paid and so like that’s where I thought that this was supposed to go when quazy and more importantly oconnell got the job right like we’re going to get the most that we can from Kirk and I think oconnell gets full credit for that I
Think oconnell and Kirk have done a very nice job I I would not say that I have been surprised or disappointed I think as a team they’ve done a nice job I expected that but that to me was not the end game the end game was to get to
Either what you’re talking about category one or two but at least you start off in one which is okono gets his hands on a quarterback and develops that player but as he is that player starts to come of age right and now he’s on a rookie scale contract preferably five
Years and you’ve got a lot of time there then so but I guess I’ve started to question that now because it seems like the push to get Kirk back back is real it seems like oconnell really likes to work with Kirk got to admit I know the three slappies
Who have have played have not been like there are problems with each one of them jiren Hall young and he’s incredibly green um Joshua dobs great start but when you asked him to run the system you sort of Saw things and Mullin to me is a
Lost cause I I think the arm strength is gone and like did I just didn’t see enough there to say that I would have any interest in continuing on there but I guess I’m a little bit taking a back that from all three of those guys
Oconnell did not get more from at least one he did from and and this is the indictment the Atlanta game so Josh dobs comes in no experience in the system just got here SE of your pants play uh play calls right and it’s like it worked pretty damn well but then the more
Experienced dubs got here and as oconnell was like okay this is what I want to do and this is what I want to do it got worse and so I guess where I’m a little bit afraid now is and this is unfortunately going to I’m sure strike
The wils as well is this not can he take a bad quarterback and develop him but can he milk the most from a quarterback who might be mentally swimming at times or might not might not be on top of things but I would I mean I really do
Think that the end game should have been to draft a quarterback here and allow oconnell to develop that player I guess I just have more question marks about the probability of that being a success now that I’d like to see answered I would zoom out on the oconnell thing and
And just say this yes the the the low level of quarterback play like the basement the floor of how bad a quarterback can play was a lot lower than when he has Kirk Cousins you don’t Kirk Cousins isn’t in the grasp three times in a game like Nick Mull and
Trying to like make a hero play uh you know he’s not missing Kevin SE put a bunch of screenshots of the all 22 of poor jiren Hall is just missing these wide open Crossing patterns we had a guy come on vent line the other night and uh
And said like the Vikings can never hit on these slant these Crossing patterns these Slants like why don’t they hit on these Slants well they’re wide open all night on Sunday and jiren Hall just like wasn’t seeing them or whatever it is so like I get you’re seeing at at its worst
You’re seeing a lower level of quarterback play because these guys are backups they’re not they’re so my two points on this to to sort of poke back at the Kevin okan criticism is and I agree that there is some things to be there are some things to be criticized but there’s a certain
Level of quarterback talent and play you need to be able to any coach Kyle Kyle Shanahan had a bad win loss record with Nick Mullen all right if Kyle Shanahan couldn’t win with Nick Mullins Nick Mullins probably isn’t he shouldn’t be out there starting more than like a half
You know or a couple games in an emergency situation number two the vik Vikings with Kirk Cousins this season averaged 21 A2 points per game without Kirk Cousins they averaged 19 points per game including the highest scoring output without Kirt cousins they had a 31-point offensive Outburst against the
Falcons with Josh dobs so I know that our eyes are telling us correctly that we’ve seen some atrocious quarterback play and that is true but if you zoom out and say okay just the overall offense with Kirk without Kirk this season 21 and a half points per game
With Kirk 19 points per game without Kirk now I think that number was like 23 points per game with Kirk I want to say last year so the turnovers early in the year had kind of decreased I would expect that if Kirk had stayed the starter that number would have been
Higher than 21 and a half but for there to only be a like a two-point gap between Kirt cousins lead offense and train wreck Josh dobs Nick Mullins jiren Hall Le offense I think it puts it into perspective it wasn’t like people are making it sound like they were scoring
30 points a game with Kirk and now they can barely scratch across field goal that wasn’t necessarily the case yeah and do and dobs in that Falcons game with uh KOC as well were brilliant absolutely and the first half of the Saints game was great um but I’m just
Saying that that there are things that make me afraid that they’re going to pick bin three because of the fact that I think we all have seen that the Kirk and oconnell thing works and if you’re going to pick bin three are you really going to draft a quarterback high in
April it’s my question back to the whole like investment stuff that we were joking about but like and we’ve used this comparison before but the wils and Kirk are combined into like a bond ETF they like if you’re investing bonds are safe right they’re lowrisk they’re consistent they’re never going to like
Make you rich but they’re safe Investments and they’re not going to shipwreck you but you also if you’re looking to like retire and make a bunch of money and and kind of cheat the system to a degree and win a championship you’re going to have to
Take some risk RIS you have to put that money more in stocks you have to put that stuff in more risk adverse things and for whatever reason they are so comfortable with how they’re investing with how they’re building their team how they want their team to be they don’t
Want to go into that scary bin of the risk factor that could honestly go make them go bust too I’m going to keep this analogy going one more step you know how uh you ever sit down with like a financial adviser or somebody and they you’re like I don’t really know what I’m
Doing you help me or whatever right and they say okay so here is a sliding scale of how risky do you want to be with your assets right uh do you want to be like not very risky at all and there’s like kind of a like a I don’t know if it’s
Like a frown face but it’s like a conservative Emoji or something and then there’s the do you want to put it all on the line on a on a an obscure startup how crazy do you want to get here right I would say for the Vikings for the wils
You guys you’ve owned this franchise for for mathematically what like 25 % of the franchise’s existence so so 60 plus years they’ve owned the franchise for over like between 15 and 20 years so like over a quarter of the franchise’s history the wils have owned this team so
They are embedded ingrained in the fan base in the historical failures to win a Super Bowl you guys have done everything you guys and your predecessor owners going back to the early 1960s you’ve been to Super Bowls you’ve been to the NFC Championship Game you’ve won a million divisions right the lions are
Celebrating their third division title since 1957 the Vikings win division titles pretty much every other year right you guys have done as a franchise you’ve had Hall of Fame players Ring of Honor players up and down the only thing you haven’t done is win a Super Bowl why
Would you play it safe with your football Investments at this point unless your only goal is to maintain fan interest year after year that writing that nine- win line it keeps people interested all the way through November December and by the way this is the other thing this other mistake that
People make they equate because of our post-traumatic Ponder stress syndrome they equate drafting a quarterback in the first round with taking a gigantic step back why does that have to be the case if you’re a well-run franchise people you want to be the Browns do you
Want to be the Jets the Lions do you really okay you’ve been watching whatever however old you are as a Vikings fan if you’re if you’re Jud and you’ve been watching the Vikings for damn near 50 years if you’re me Dean you’ve been watching since the ’90s you’ve watched enough Vikings football
Do you really think that they are as poorly run as the Lions historically or the Browns or the Jets the Vikings have overcome so many quarterback failures to still bounce back and win nine games 10 games 11 games the Houston Texans just drafted a quarterback they took a huge
Step forward the 49ers whiffed on a top five quarterback pick in which they gave up a ton of draft capital and they went forward they got better because their organization is well run so I would just say this to the Wolves trust yourselves you guys it’s a well-run organization
You barely fire anybody you know you put together pretty good rosters don’t get scared and don’t play it safe at this point in time in the franchise’s history do you realize if I’m correct on this this this franchise has never drafted a quarterback and started him immediately call Pepper sat for a year
Teddy eventually replaced Castle who got hurt against the Saints I believe um Ponder sat behind NAB for six games month yeah y I don’t think this team has even done that in his franchise history Tarkington Tarkington was behind George shaww and he was not a first round pick yeah jiren
Hall sat for a couple months Kramer didn’t start right away did he no no the behind Fran tson you know yeah I don’t think this franchise has even done what Phil just tried to explain so yeah and again like is there still a possibility
That it makes sense I I I will say this about Kirk Cousins I don’t want him back unless it’s a huge team-friendly discount and if if a if if a b War opens up like I am I am no longer interested in okay and it’s it’s not going to be a
Joe burrow contract cuz he’s coming off like there’s no way he’s coming off a massive injury the only way I would take him back is if I can get out of the contract after the first year and if it’s nowhere near top of the market value that’s the those are the only
Conditions I want Kirt cousins back so let’s go down this this path that we talked to duges about and that he cleared up and got good Clarity from Joel Cory a former player agent who now is at CBS Sports and this comes back to the whole thing with Kirk and and the
Fact that the Vikings have uh the dead cap hit which will go into effect next season if Kirk is not on the team or if he is on the team because that is going to take effect if Kirk does not basically res signed with the Vikings before free agency before the league
Year which we all love starts right in which case you can then Kick the Can down the road again y But but so Phil I think you just hit on the most important thing because like all of these discussions and I I’m not completely adverse to Kirk returning it as well I I
Would like the franchise to take a good long look at where things stand but all of these discussions really hinge on that they really because I don’t see a way that you allow Mike MC who represents Kirk to tell you we we’d like to examine the market but we might come
Back okay and then you’re going to take Mike McCartney by the way Mike mcarty fact that he can be a coach of one of the topam just well great with quarterbacks so Mike McCartney if he says hey you know what Falcons are falcons are sniffing around at the comb
By we got teams sniffing around and you might be able to resign us but if you do you’re also going to take the dead cap hit that’s not to me acceptable that’s not going to work so you literally have to decide on Kirk and Kirk has the hammer there that if you
Want me back you have to pay my price um that I will e agree to before the league year starts that’s where I think this conversation really becomes important because the you know we could talk about the pie in the sky Kirk comes back it’s great Takes A Team friendly offer
Everything works out Kirk wants to win but the but what you’re really looking at is a fin final decision here in which Kirk is going to have a ton of control and how much do we think Kirk is going to give when he has the team up against
The wall just based on the dead cap hit alone that will come into play if he’s not signed by the by the time we get to the start of the league year in March so I’ll ask this as we did two weeks ago when we did our first state of the
Vikings quarterback episode and we’ll we’ll keep asking this as of right now today January 2nd 2024 what is the percent chance KK cousins is back with the Vikings in 2024 I think I told you guys 40% last time I don’t know if we can can we keep
Track of these sure I’ll start keeping track right now I’m gonna at least mine I’m gonna keep track of mine and Jud good luck with you um look that up Dex yeah I’ll look that up for you I so I said 40% last time honestly I’m gonna I’m Gonna Bump this
Up to 50 oh so it’s higher okay it’s higher for me now I said High yeah yeah I think you guys were initially higher than or no macki was but I I’m going to bump this up to 50 I’m I’m going to say it was a little outside of a coin flip
Chance now I I think it’s trending up I think of what they’ve seen what they want with stability I think it’s going up uh for right now I think it’s 50% I think I said 60% I think I was really high Dex was the lowest actually
I’m pretty sure yeah last time yeah I said 65 or 60 and I’m staying right there because here’s what I believe pick one for our recordkeeping 60 60 okay 60 so here’s why I believe this to be the case because I will pound this table and say
I think this is probably a mistake but what I believe is going to be the case in my prediction is I think the Vikings keep Kirk I think they extend Jefferson I think denal might walk but I think at the end of the day they draft defense because if you keep Kirk and
Then Jefferson’s like yay we’re keeping Kirk can you really go sell we’re drafting JJ McCarthy first round who by the way is not going to help us one bit in 24 but what s to who Sela Kirk or Sela Kirk and JJ and can sell any of
These dudes that like these dudes that Lit it up last night in that semi-final I I I think you can sell Justin Jefferson on Michael penck pretty easily Jaden Daniels is an LSU guy like you’d be able to sell him in a heartbeat but my point is if Kirk comes back and then
And I’m not saying that they wouldn’t like the quarterback I’m saying that if I want to win and I’m looking around at our holes and this team’s got a lot of holes okay I’m not saying that they wouldn’t like the player I’m saying that they would say why wouldn’t you get us
Help at positions of immediate need and this that’s what I would say as a player but this is the problem the Vikings historically run into they do this a lot like they drafted Garrett Bradberry because they needed a center this year you know it’s like you should be as a
Front office you should be looking at a three to fiveyear window not what what do we what do we need right now to immediately pop it’s like we need to you know like Lou seene we need him to play right away it’s like well okay it’s look
At the three to five year Arc I guess if you’re the I agree with you completely what I just predicted I don’t I would not do just to be very clear I’m just saying if I’m a player and I resign and I’m Kirk and I’m back okay boys let’s go
Let’s go win a Super Bowl in 24 and you’re like but we’re going to draft your replacement really high and I’m looking at the defense and I’m saying got a lot holes over there gentlemen that’s what they say I hear you uh I’m also at 60% right now so I think there’s
Better than a coin flip chance that Kirk comes back to the Vikings before we get to a pig skin pecking order and Jud guessing the PFF grades let’s tell the audience how to make it even more fun than it already is to watch and play uh
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Going to buzz through this uh so we can get to Jud guessing the PFF grades but this is where we all three rank our top 10 teams in the National Football League throw it into an Aggregate and we get this Baltimore Ravens consensus the number one team in
The NFL just bludgeoning other really good teams no that change that changed because I think the last time that we did this was two weeks ago and I think we all had or I had San Francisco one and for the first time I’m like Baltimore’s easily the best team right
Now we all have Ravens Niners one and two in that order Cowboys at three bills at four lions at 5 here’s how it shook out so Jud and Dean had the Cowboys at three I actually I have the bills still at three I get that their record isn’t
Quite as good but they’ve been playing like one of the two or three best teams in the NFL the last month I have the Lions at 4 Cowboys at five Jud has cowboys three Dolphins four Lions five Dean has cowboys three bills four Chiefs at five after bouncing back with a
Win let’s see what the other five in the top 10 look like Miami Dolphins dropping to six Chiefs at seven Cleveland Browns jumping to eighth 11 and five 11 and five man stefansky coach of the hell of a job man Coach of the Year material four quarterbacks got him in the playoffs yep
Joe Flacco that defense they’ve stuck to the running game too uh Philadelphia Eagles Ninth at one point they were number one number two and then the Rams yep at 10 after clinching a wild card spot I put the Rams in there this week for first time in forever we all had the
Same 10 just in slightly different orders so yeah Dex you had the the Eagles at 10 I had the Rams at 10 Jud had the Rams at 10 so there you go those your your pig skin packing order and where do the Vikings rank who cares I
Didn’t I I didn’t even include him this week I didn’t even try and make up a position for him it doesn’t matter where the Vikings rank it doesn’t matter as The Rock would say it doesn’t matter what you think dude the rock came back to WWE last night saw on Twitter last
Night and it was it was going to be kind of a fun thing right he’s going to just he comes back once every few years and just like you know beats up some bad guy whatever and then he gets done with his whole Spiel and he goes just one more
Thing San Diego the rock is going to be going out to eat out on the town tonight when The Rock goes out to that restaurant should the rock sit in a booth should the rock sit at the bar or should the rock sit the rock likes the
Bar The Rock does like the bar or should the rock sit at the head of the table which is where former Viking Roman Reigns sits at the head of the table thus setting up a mat I audibly gasped and had goosebumps on my arms what he
Said oh my God or should the rock sit at the head of the table oh God Crow pop uh Jud it’s time for you to put your old grizzled oh I don’t want to do football viewing eyes to the test okay against the Pro Football Focus Scouts this is a
Segment we like to call Jud guesses the PFF grades we’re looking for the top three and bottom three offensive performance in that game minimum of 20 snaps you get three strikes total to get the six oh God I mean this is so bad so top three offense um yeah oh my God uh
Jordan Addison top three Jordan Addison not in the top three a 57.8 out of 100 grade darasa had a bad game darasa did not have a normally good good game so I’m guessing he’s not in the top three um Brian O’Neal top three who’s fourth who’s fourth I’m at a
Complete loss here because this was so bad um oh boy who else could have who else would have qualified um Justin Jefferson third highest 67.1 grade for JJ God there were two people higher than JJ on on this list huh all right right um Josh Oliver number one 77.8 grade out of 100
Oh God all right um I feel like the offensive line was sving out too much for anyone to be included now that I’ve eliminated Brian O’Neal um down to his last strike offensively here folks KJ osbor KJ Osborne no no I’ll give you the rest here
No no KJ was bottom three he was the third worst at 50.6 all right Stella’s mad about this you go Stella she did not enjoy that game on Sunday night Ed Ingram was the second worst at 43.5 and Garrett Bradbury with one of his worst games of
The Season said the line the interior the line was awful 36.8 and a 5point three run block grade out of a 100 or a pass block grade I should say nice job um Johnny Mt was the second highest graded player 73.4 I got Go Johnny mut pass receiving tight end now without TJ
All right now same drill but on the defensive side of the ball and we’ll draw the line at 20 snaps oh God okay top three I will say there was one extremely high highly graded defensive player that was that was about I mean some of the other guys weren’t train
Wrecks but there was one that was like whoa okay this guy played his ass off surprising well just surprising that they had a player that graded really high so not a surprise not a it may or may not the name may or may not be a surprise I will withhold that
Information I’m just surprised that anyone had a 92.6 grade on defense I feel like none of the safeties played well uh Makai Blackman top three top three yep okay um this is so feudal I just I don’t even I mean I don’t even know where to start I I I am surprised that
There actually was a high grade um denil didn’t do anything I feel like Harrison Phillips was banged up again and didn’t do much um Ivan Pace top three Ivan Pace was the third highest graded defensive player pretty consistent this season uh Jordan Hicks top three Jordan Hicks two strikes okay Jordan Hicks was
A 65.2 grade in this game okay and Um Josh matelis top three man yeah I me I don’t blame you I feel like he had a terrible game but I I don’t know who had a good game 60.7 grade for Josh matelis so yeah this this is a really tough exercise here so the highest graded player by a by a
Landslide with a 92.6 grade defensively was kyres Tonga oh God couple pressures couple hurries four tackles two stop tackles got that one yep and then Harrison Phillips was the second highest graded player Ivan Pace was third Harrison Phils wow okay yeah he had couple press presses uh he also had
Three Miss tackles I don’t I don’t know at the bottom Makai Blackman was the lowest graded player 29.2 grade out of 100 Jonathan Bullard 29.4 and a Caleb Evans 30.1 Evans yeah I Smith might have uh worked his way into the bottom three he did not have a good game when
Targeting a Caleb Evans Jordan love was 7 for 10 for 119 yards and 46 yards after the catch G yeah yeah he’s had a real rough couple weeks so yeah that was there there’s Jud guess’s the that wasn’t good the PF you know what I give a performance worthy of
Sunday night’s Viking performance so proud of myself it’s pretty similar pretty similar hey before we go I want to hit you guys with it’s mock season baby I want over on the scoop so we’re keeping track of all the mock drafts that we do on purple daily and on our other scor North
Podcast and just keep keeping track of where players you know which players the Vikings are drafting so we did do a tanon and a fantasy pros from today and both that was on the scoop podcast with Doogie um Minnesota sports with Macky and Jud podcast feed if you haven’t
Already subscribed Edge rusher from Alabama Dallas Turner going to the Vikings with both those I have one from CBS Sports here this is the latest from Ryan Wilson updated this this morning he’s got big trades happening early so he’s got Washington taking Caleb Williams trading up and taking Caleb Williams
He’s got the Patriots taking Drake May number two then he’s got the Bears taking Marvin Harrison Jr number three Jaden Daniels as the third quarterback off the board number five to the Giants Michael penick’s going to the Raiders at 11 one spot ahead of the Vikings yep who
Select out of the University of California Los Angeles Edge rusher I believe it’s pronounced uh Liu is it Li wow latu Liu latu is his name l latu l yeah latu latu dark God bless your soul pack 10 after dark I was asleep those nights let’s see the write up says
The is this a trade uh I don’t think they’ve updated this yeah they have not updated the right up here so but yeah they they take it essentially is the third Edge rusher off the board after Dallas Turner and Jared verse go to the Falcons and de beis the Vikings
Desperately need help rushing the passer and so they take this guy from a actually you know what same school as uh as Kendricks and bar right UCLA UCLA y see it’s it’s been a good pipeline for the Vikings Zim will call and be like I
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If Kwesi resigns Cousins And don’t draft Penix or Daniels, Kwesi will not be the GM in 2025 because the Vikes will miss the playoffs. Write that down!
Vikings will never be a serious contender until they sign a mobile QB. Never.
I want to see j j in the jersey
OKC needs to change up the system. He kept the Kirk Cousins offense playbook with players who weren't kirk cousins.
There's a 4th category of QB, the journeyman. Like Foles, McCown, Mayfield etc. And how bout a hired gun, like Favre, Moon, or Rodgers?
People keep sleeping on McJones. He did well, before Bill Belichick went crazy and started putting defensive coordinators as offensive coordinators
But by being risky with a drafted QB on a lower 5 yr contract you are diversifying by being able to invest money you are saving on said QB in high quality non-QB players, lowering your overall risk team risk via the diversification concept
Y'all are hurting my ears! I've been a fan 1968 . I have never wished the Vikings would lose …ever. This is Blasphemy.
Don't worry, Kwesi will take that 10/11 pick and promptly trade it for picks passing on a potential franchise savior because this is game of 'watch this' to him. Smartest guy in the room like his predecessor.
We need to address the growing nonsense from Kirkistan about how they think the "haters" should appreciate Mr Gravitational Pull Toward .500 more because the QB whisperer failed with 3 backup QB's. The analogy I like to use is, I'm not going to appreciate getting punched in the face simply because I hate getting kicked in the nuts. It's ok for me to not like either option. The "haters" have been asking what's behind door #3 the entire time.
This notion that Kirk was playing like an MVP is straight up revisionist history at best, and delusional at worst. He had 2 marginally good games against the 49ers and Packers in October before he got injured. That's it! That's why we call it Kirktober and not Kirkuary. He does that every year. The only thing missing this year is his late season reverting back to the mean and reminding everyone why he's a waste of money.
Josh Allan .kirk. Watson. Goff.are in the same category. How can you say Josh Allen is a franchise QB
Four injuries?Why would you want to sign Penix? We have enough lame guys that either can't play, don't want to win, or are injured all the time.
Start with hiring a competent GM before the draft 😂
i predicted that they would lose out 3 wks ago. its going to hapoen.
So you guys call O'Connell a guru a quarterback guru? . Are you wondering why he didn't get anything out of Mullins dobs? . O'Connell's not a guru . He's not a quarterback whisperer . What did he do in LA? . This guy's a con artist man . Cousins has made order over a quarter of a billion in football . The coach and the quarterback are con artist .
The owners are committed to one thing . To make a profit . They want to win . But they won't go high risk. They won't . Money is more important to them than the trophy . As long as the customers are happy and they win 9 12 games . The owners will be okay with it . Because the fans in Minnesota . They're not troublemakers . If the owners own the team in big cities . Then they would do something . Minnesota Viking fans are not till makers
Vikes need a young healthy QB.
I'm thinking to 2024 Judds guessing the top and bottom 3 pff grades with 3 strikes. If he gets either the top or bottom 3, he should get it correct.
Example: KJ was bottom and he guessed for top which would have been correct in my scenario.
Also did the same with Blackmon in this episode.
No stabb at Judd cuz its been hard to guess lately but we havent gotten to a bottom 3 in offense and/or defense in a minute.
Judd they are to young to u understand our way of thinking
Of course 60% of people polled answer that way. They listen to this show.
Trade back, snag a backup special teamer, accumulate 6th rounders 🎯
Go lions.
I recommend the new Peter King video about the Bears and Justin Fields, and first round draft choices. They point out that most times in the first round, unless you are absolutely positive that you are going to be taking a surefire franchise QB, which they use Mahomes and Burrow as examples, that you are better off taking the best talent available based on your needs. I understand getting excited about college QB's, but just keep in mind they are playing college level talent, many opponents that will never even get an NFL tryout. Like Mackey said, it's an inexact science. I say bring back Kirk, focus on the lines, defensive backfield, and get another running back. Also draft a QB every year until we hit on someone.
How do you guys have the Lions so hi? They have 1 win against a team with a winning record, UNO, SINGLE, ONE! And if Kelce had played they wouldn’t have that. WTD they will lose in the first round.
This team is doomed to repeat mediocrity. Kirk has put up good numbers but where has that gotten us. Frustrating we can find our own rookie franchise Qb.
Im sorry…im not mature enough to draft a guy named penix. Im just not
I hope the Vikings go QB in the draft. When will they have a better chance? A great QB class and a pick near the top 10! At the top of the draft: Williams, Maye, Daniels, Penix, Nix–and McCarthy if he declares (which I think he will). After that group, the 2nd tier has some interesting names Ward, Ewers (if he declares), Pratt, and Jordan Travis (who would have been higher without a season ending injury). I fear they won't because…Kirk/Wilfs. But I'm with Mackey–I only want Kirk back on a deal that also allows signing Hunter, and only 1 year guaranteed. It's time to move on.
Draft should be about adding talent to the roster period, not filling needs. Needs change over night. Needs should be filled in FA, trade. Drafting for need increases chance of missing on a pick. If you establish a track record of drafting best players you eventually will be able to fill needs with depth and/or trade area of depth for an area of need. Drafting best players makes everyone better…packers drafting love lite a fire under Rodgers ass and made him better, propelling him to an mvp award it started to look like he didn’t have in him.
I think the Vikings should sign a veteran qb (ideally cousins within reason contractually) and draft a qb if one falls that they really like and isn’t a significant reach. QBs are one exception on reaching in draft because the position is most important and expensive. Anyway, this approach, drafting qb and signing veteran, allows them flexibility to develop the qb if he isn’t ready year 1.
Qb wins mvp every year because they are most important to wins and losses…look no further than the Vikings in 2023…JJ is a better player at his position than cousins but what player being lost had a bigger impact on wins and losses?…it’s not close, cousins. For this reason it’s not wise to be reckless with the position, doing so is how you become the jets as a franchise..and yes it is possible for them to get there even though it hasn’t happened historically. To suggest they can never become that franchise is simply false.
Here’s the question I haven’t heard asked yet, Cousins will not accept a team friendly deal so knowing this because he offered before this season he’s not going to give in to this team friendly and will want that top dollar offer, he’s proven this with all of his deals with this team, start talking about that reality and talk who the Vikings will draft at QB
I don't care about the injuries. KOC has unfortunately shown us all his ceiling. KOC and KAM don't have what it takes to be champions. They need fired. I know it's only two years but they've shown that they're just missing that it factor.
I'm still not over the pass on Harbaugh, that scarred me. I remember that day they were interviewing him I prayed for the first time in a long time "God please let the Vikings just do the right thing for once." Why Godd?? why. Is God teaching me how to be a stronger person by enduring more pain as a Vikings fan?
Dont move back move up to get what you want!
The “Bad Fan” saying by some fans is hilariously ridiculous and just flat out wrong. You could argue you’re a bad fan for wanting to win irrelevant meaningless games just for a two hour high. But then you don’t make the playoffs and you’re getting crap pick the next season… like why is that attractive to any fan? Now I get it none of us want to lose any games but to win meaningless games each season or barely make the playoffs just to get blown out in the wild card round?.. why is that attractive? I think fans have to much ego and pride to think big picture and smartly about the future of their beloved team… I think it makes you a dumb fan to want to keep being a mediocre team year in and year out every single year like this franchise has been since its very existence…
I want a franchise QB!! Not Kirk, those days should be over. This franchise needs to quit repeating the same BS mistakes year after year. Get your head out of Kirk's ass and move on for God sake!!
To all those who "say" they want the Vikings to win a Super Bowl, "and", insist that you never tank, or God forbid, never hope they lose, or worse, be happy when they lose…. I have a simple question.
Tell me, how exactly does winning this upcoming game Sunday advance the cause of winning a Super Bowl? Because I and many people can easily explain why losing this game DOES help advance the cause of winning a Super Bowl, and, winning this game actually sets you back.
You're not a bad fan Mackey. I'm with you 100% Cousins is not getting it done. We need to turn the corner and stop pretending we are something we are not. We aren't serious SB contenders.
I definitely want the Minnesota Vikings to resign Kirk Cousins! Meanwhile the Vikings draft JJ McCarthy or Drake Maye or Caleb Williams! SKOL 💜💛😈 or Bo Nix or Micheal Penix Jr!😊😊😊
when you talk about big picture you have to look at consistency not just outliers… if kirk would have been in the bears or broncos games they most likely win. Either way no one predicted Kirk goes down for extended time period which is the actual reason why the vikings arent going to the playoffs this year
Double acl surgery scares me on penixs
I just started listening to this show a few days ago after that terrible Packers loss. You guys are awesome. The tagline "We just want to win a superbowl before we die" is hilarious and accurate, but is also the same short-sighted mentality that I feel like the Vikings FO has. That kind of mission statement is the engine driving us to try to back our way into play-offs year after year. Our mission needs to be to build a DYNASTY. If our goal is to win MULTIPLE super bowls, we're not sweating the small stuff (Kirk), and making BIG moves (moving up to get someone like DRAKE MAYE)
Bruhh just listen..
We re sign kirk.. right, like 1 contract.
We pick up jj in the first round like pick 11 or whatever.. , he sits and learns behind cousins for a year.
Then we draft Corum in the 2nd round due to him falling in the draft due to size.
We need a qb for the future and for depth. And we also need a damn rb.
Even if we keep Kirk we have to sign a QB no matter what!!!
Kirk Cousins 2 year 60 Million fully GTD take it or leave it if he wants money go to Vegas or Atl good luck where is he going to go with a better opportunity to win this late in his career coming off Achilles it shouldnt be about money anymore. If he wants money we go to the draft. Right now I like 3 QBs better then Caleb Williams who everyone is projected number 1. So picking 10th or 11th one of them will fall to us. Drake Maye Jayden Daniels or Michael Penix i love all 3 best QB class in a long time. BIG NO to Bo Nix in the first round trade back into early 20s and taking JJ McCarthy im fine with but I really want Jayden Daniels or Michael Penix GIANT UPSIDE