Charlie Parsons spoke to Sam Jones for Boxing Social. Sam Jones provides an update on Josh Taylor vs Jack Catterall 2, stating this week is the deadline for the fight to happen. Sam has more signings on the way, looking forward to 2024. He discusses Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk and the rumoured bout of Anthony Joshua vs Francis Ngannou. Sam gives his thoughts on USA Boxing’s stance on transgender boxing.
00:00 – Intro
02:38 – Josh Taylor vs Jack Catterall 2
07:55 – Sam’s stable.
11:00 – Anthony Joshua vs Francis Ngannou next?
14:00 – Deontay Wilder’s comments and Joseph Parker loss.
16:35 – Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk
19:56 – Conor Benn vs Peter Dobson and opponent criticism.
22:50 – Big January month for British Boxing: Smith, Ryder, Jonas & Davies.
24:45 – USA Boxing Transgender Boxing Policy
27:35 – Katie Taylor vs Chantelle Cameron 3 & Leigh Wood vs Josh Warrington 2
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Out of control put to do with anything this is Charlie Parsons for boxing social in association with forged Irish Stout Empire fights. and freebets.com always a pleasure Mr Samuel Jones how are we sir I’m all right so about to Steve Parson see good mate how are you
How you’re in Dubai at the moment aren’t you that’s my cousin Steve Parsons yes I am I’m I’m I’m living the dream I’ve not really taking in the rise as much as I should but enjoying myself taking in the ra you definitely don’t tan either you
Have to put sud on a little bit like I will come back and my mom will definitely mug me off like how can you go and be in a hot place and not come back town but we’ve got time also I’m actually in an office speaking to you
Doing my job so I’m not really enjoying it I am enjoying it you get my point okay so you reluctantly reached out to me 50 times to can we just do a bit and then you just and then and now you’re on holiday like I don’t really
Want to be doing this like wow wow ego is out of here we go 2024 new year new me little bit less of an ego and it’s now just through the [ __ ] roof you know what it is so for the viewers watching bit of context Sam’s all lovely we had a little
FaceTime last night having a this is true this is true don’t try and deny it let me explain you Tred to meet you no lies you messaged me yesterday saying you want to do a bit Yeah yesterday couldn’t do a bit I a bit busy and even today very busy today and
I’ve literally giving you this and now you’re like you’re moaning about doing I’m not moaning where where have you got this moaning stuff from anyway you FaceTime me you’re very nice I’ve said to you before the recording I bet you act up when the recording’s on and that
You have anyway why just quickly before we start does it say Zoom user rather than Sam’s iPhone no idea okay is this the normal thing that you speak to me on or is it a laptop or you seem a bit clearer than usual I’m more clearer than usual yeah like your
Picture okay who knows maybe your Wi-Fi is better this time it’s shocking in Siren sester isn’t it it’s not actually to be fair mate I think it’s you usually it it definitely isn’t but right go on passing the score where are we at with Josh Taylor and Jack
Catell and I’ve seen a post that says um the Hitchins fight which is an Eliminator has been postponed uh well the purse bids have been postponed because there’s hopeful of an agreement like what’s going on here are you explain to me what’s happening Jack Jack’s been ordered to to fight
Richardson isin for the ibf title right I’m not sure Richardson itchin wants to fight Jack apparently he doesn’t want to do the rehydrate but ultimately the Josh Taylor and Jack catel fight is in discussions one thing is for certain top rank want the fight Josh’s lawyer wants the fight Jack
Catell wants to fight Eddie Hearn wants to fight the only person I genuinely believe doesn’t want the fight is Josh Taylor which is fine if he doesn’t want to fight Jack it is what it is at the end of the day he can fight Steve clag
It for a fifth of the money he’ll get to fight Jack is what it is is that or you you can’t just finish what do you want me to tell you that they’re in discussions we’re in discussions for the fight right we’ve agreed our side we’ve agreed so let’s do
A bit of a timeline so the first offer was made Josh obviously that quite vocally the second offer was made deined again hear much okay declined again we now heard a third offer his mate is that where we’re at now yeah we’ we’ve agreed we’ve agreed out Jack patol has agreed
His side of a deal to fight Josh Taylor it’s over to Josh Josh wants to fight the fight’s there now everybody that’s saying oh go this F Jack catell and I’ll say this for the billionth time gets stopped every single day of his life to say when are you fighting Josh
Taylor he’s bored of it and I’m sure Josh is bored of it as well so it needs put into bed it needs put into bed so let’s um let’s do it but ultimately like what I just said top rank one to fight Josh’s advisor lawyer wants the fight everybody wants the
Fight it’s over to Josh t what sort of time frame are we looking at in terms of like it’s got to get done in the next it’s got to get done in the next week or so I don’t really like giving time frames because it doesn’t basically it needs getting sorted pretty
Soon do you think got feeling that we see this fight and if so when and where the um I don’t I’m not sure where because that’s not been agreed yet but we’ve we’ve uh We’ve uh We’ve agreed our side to a deal to fight Josh Taylor next
So do I think the fight’s gonna happen literally all depends on Josh Taylor I don’t personally believe he wants the fight that’s just what I genuinely believe I don’t believe he said because in every interview he mentions he wants to fight Lopez again he wants to become
World champion at 147 but then he’s calling out Devin Haney the 140 Champion seems a bit of a confused person but mentions Jack catcher always but at the very end of any interview it’s like yeah yeah I’ll fight Jack just if he comes out and says don’t want to fight Jack
Catel no no problem we all can we can all move on but don’t kid people into saying that oh it’s to do with this like like because the third offer he can’t even say he’s been lowb anymore so this all the excuses have gone out the out
The window now like it’s not like oh I want to become this I want to do you said that you you you deserve paying well which I agree you do deserve getting pain wall but realistic because you’re coming off two defeats so ultimately the fight’s there if Josh
Taylor wants to correct something that he knows needs correcting same way Jack does to move on it’s there what needs to happen within the next week and do you tell to agre to the fight simple honestly that the ball is in his court and that is all that needs to be done
Jack C Parsons I’ll say this again Jack catell has agreed to his side of a deal to fight Josh Taylor next so it’s over to Josh okay got a feeling if I said to you does this fight happen in the first six months of 2024 what you going to say I
Don’t think the fight will ever happen I mean if if I’m really honest I mean I’m hoping it does because it’s the fight to make and it’s all this like cryptic speaking oh Jack needs him or Josh needs to write this they both need each other
For this fight it’s the bottom line it is Josh Taylor’s biggest fight sadly for Josh and it’s Jack’s biggest fight fight needs to happen the British public want to see it the world wants to see it we’re ready to go we’ve agreed we’ve complied to everything we’ve agreed absolutely
Everything balls in his court parings and that’s like that’s the that is that is literally the the the the top and bottom of it all right let’s talk then the rest of your stable uh I know we done a little recap on 2023 but a lot of
The young Chargers having a a very successful year we see Cameron vong putting a couple of prospect of the year list which is always good to see off the back of 2023 moving forward now we know he’s the co-main event for that Newcastle nextg um and then just sort of a run
Through with a rest of the guys any any think that you’re working on that you’re able to hint to us I mean it looks looks to be a good year for you yeah list we’ve got hamon in that in in in a in a big step up fight in a co-main event the
Second time he’s co-main event at a show in his four fight which is I can’t remember too many kids doing that um he loves the pressure though Cameron really does I know just saying that but he absolutely when lights and cameras on him he comes alive which is what I
Believe stands him out to a lot of people I think he’s a real special talent so yeah big year for Cameron more activity um hel mid he’s going to be uh his fight news is going to be announced very soon um big year for him he’s going
To really kick on after a big performance against Tom Farrell got Muhammad Ali who’s um four I think he three or four and I think he’s four and0 um he’s going to really crack on this year as well continuous prodction he’s only a baby so it’s B literally baby
Steps with him uh Dan [ __ ] may had two fights in three weeks uh in December um so he he literally main evented on his first fight in on channel five so it was a it was a cracking start for Dan he stopped there stopped a very tough
Opponent and then he put on a clinic in his in his next uh in his next performance of a week or so later uh Mark Dickinson huge news coming for Mark Dickinson yeah I know you know what it is I think everybody kind of knows what
It is but it’s not for me to to to to announce I’m sure it’s going to be announced very shortly but um it’s gonna it’s going to be like people are gonna not think it’s not what people think it is people gonna go wow that’s big so um
Yeah so we we we uh it’s a huge huge it’s a huge uh opportunity for Mark Dickinson in his very young career but we have full belief in uh in Mark that he’s going to do the business um’s that I hey what was that that you just did just did my
Hat why being weird I’m not I just asked because you just were random mid Center don’t give the big one now because you’ve got a bit head you got you’ve given it the big one that that’s already been done right Joshua Francis and G it seem didn’t even
Let me R through Hamin as well but yeah his de is going to be as well no it’s all right we can move on no problem Parsons I might even have I might even have a couple of signings coming as well yeah but you’re not gonna tell me about
Them all right then move on then Anthony Joshua Anthony Joshua now you’ve skipped Anthony Joshua go on yeah but yeah but Anthony Joshua let’s go to let’s go straight into AJ like talking about AJ we will come back to this at the end Anthony Joshua Francis andano looks like
It will be the next fight um yeah perfect fight Saudi Arabians want it I know you’ve tweeted about fight it makes sense you can fight herovic later in the year when the belts fragment obviously it’s a b there’s no other there’s no other big well there is lots of big
Fights Anthony Joshua was fantastic in that last performance and anybody and I saw a few like miserable tweet say oh that’s what he should have done no a lot of people were saying Anthony Joshua was going to get [ __ ] in that fight so it’s we’ve got to give him credit he
Literally looked like his former self welcome back kind of think he was he was fantastic in that fight and uh in that form he can beat any heavyweight in my opinion so he’s Tyson Fury obviously had his struggles against andaru um pipped him on the cards but he had his struggles
Against him so Anthony Joshua’s next fight it’s a perfect fight for it’s absolutely massive um absolutely massive fight and while he’s waiting for his world heavweight title shot which I’m sure will be a vacant World title against herovic because um Tyson fur LK are contracted to two fights so the
Belts will fragment after the Undisputed fight I believe will will happen and AJ will box erovic for the ibf strap in the meantime keep busy keep the momentum March the 9th massive fight against really looking forward to it how does that go and obviously I think AJ AJ
Stops him within six branis and ganu the performance we saw against Tyson Fury obviously showy was a much more Superior boxer than a lot of us suspected but also we can take away from it as much as Tyson Fury doesn’t give sort of facts too probably wasn’t the real Tyson in
There so what level really is Inu like I still listen I I like Ang really like him but I don’t believe he wins English title something like that me personally I think Anthony Joshua will do a right job on Onana that’s just what I honestly what
What I believe I really like G I’m so happy he’s getting paid loads of money to to to have these contest because he deserves it nobody probably deserves it more than Francis but I do think AJ will will knock him spark out Deontay Wilder came out after the fight I think it was
On Christmas Day actually and obviously there was so much talk in the buildup about AJ’s mental state and then people Eddie included come back and was like well hold up this guy’s being open about doing psychedelics since then he said that he didn’t have his sort of old side
In him that sort of tenacity being being yeah and then he said that AJ was happy that he lost and he didn’t mention it until the end I mean it’s all a bit bizarre isn’t it honestly I really like everybody loves watching Deontay W when he’s at
His violent best like it’s almost like watching it behind the pillow because it’s just he’s so entertaining he was absolutely awful against Parker he was awful but massive credit to Joe Parker he fought fire with firing there but Joseph Parker looks strong like I said before the fights
Again I I I put I put a bet on yeah I put a bet on that that Parker’s gning because I just had a feeling he was just because you when you put it into context Parker better feet yeah physically stronger not a bigger pun but he’s a physically stronger man
Much heavier better head movement but better everything than Deontay Wilder just not a bigger puncher and I just thought he’s gonna win this fight he’s gonna win this fight and and not only did he win it he it was just incredibly one-sided it was it was genuinely it was an easier
Fight than Jack Massie was for Parker that’s just the bottom that’s just the bottom line um and unfortunately for Wilder with his resume showing that his biggest and best win is LS Ortiz at the age rip old age of 65 it doesn’t really look good for his for his
C know it doesn’t though does it it doesn’t look I’m saying Tom I get I get what you mean though yeah yeah yeah it’s just it doesn’t really look good and like you look now if he doesn’t really box again who’s he actually be is he the biggest puncher of all time
Probably is he one of the most exciting Fighters we’ve seen for for decades in the division yet all of that but who has he actually beaten I always said and I got loads of stick for it Anthony Joshua would ruin Wilder but then Wilder does have that
Possess that power to knock anybody out you understand mean but I always thought AJ would have the better of him imagine if he boxed AJ that night oh my God be disaster Tyson Fury on the topic he started his Camp really early uh well not really early but he’s come out to
Rad really early he’s not he’s not he’s back he’s back in he posted a video yesterday of him training back in morham so no he’s set up in Camp in Riad so well he’s playing games then because he’s posting videos if you look at his Instagram
Today I’m pretty sure I don’t want to say I know for a fact but from from certain you look at you look at your phone and look at your Instagram stories like saying good run today this morning with the team in the fields have a
Look yeah I’m a bit bit baffled now yeah so I think he’s just playing his playing his games but he did go into Saudi so they say no definitely well he’s come back then or he’s or he’s lit listen Tyson’s being Tyson isn’t he he’s probably just G keep
People guessing are we convinced that he’s even in moram he may have posted that video today but that could also be my games well he’s not in a a windy field in Saudi Arabia is he mate that video could be from like a week or so ago yeah that’s what I’m just
Saying it’s probably Tyson being Tyson um if you’re gonna ask me who I think is gonna win by the way I do think Tyson Fury is g to be usk yeah a significantly improved one based off the last performance because it I just genuinely think he didn’t train a
Single day for that fight I think he just went through the motions probably did a few pad sessions but just thought this guy’s not going to get he just didn’t he wasn’t there he wasn’t with it in that performance and I do think Tyson knows the pressure is on him and his his
His reputation’s on the line a little bit here because he’s coming off a very very strange performance against unano so but I do think Tyson’s going to do the business I I really do and then it’s setting up for the biggest fight of all time against Anthony Joshua which is
What we all deserve who wins that you just base it on current form ask me ask me this question after Tyson Fury fights usk will you give an honest answer like are you do you feel we’re in a position where you’re able to come out and say the winner of that fight
Absolutely but ask me ask me after the usk fight and I’ll give you a full breakdown I’m not bothered about telling you who think who I think win fights when have I ever like cared about that I’m not worried about all getting a prediction wrong I’ve got loads of good
Predictions right I think Callum Smith’s Gonna Knock Out better bef but could be wrong oh got a prediction wrong I must not know what I’m talking about no because people just sit down they break down a fight and go this is how better bef wins a fight this is how I think
Callum Smith can win the fight no say who you think’s going to win because there’s too many [ __ ] that don’t say it because they’re worried about get they’re worried about getting a prediction wrong I’m not bothered about that I’ll give you my smoke today no it’s not smoke I’m just saying I think
Smoke today but no but people are like just like be real just give your honest give your honest opinion I’m going to ask you to keep that same energy uh Connor Ben is fighting Peter Dobson next Conor Ben by knockout no um the the opponent has
Faced a little bit of criticism I spoke to Frank Smith yesterday and I get the reasons by the time that the Eubank fight had fallen through realistically as much as perhaps Conor would have wanted to face one of the best you make the sort of corporate decision behind
The scenes as who’s available yeah who who’s available right now right he wanted to fight baros I know that for a fact baros is unavailable wanted to face uh um boots ERS not available on that date Conor Ben had a date given to him by the the zone right who’s available
For that for that date Chris huban didn’t want to to do the fight now but again they’ll probably revisit that fight afterwards because that kind of needs put him to bed as well that’s one of those fights that kind of needs put into to bed um there’s the Brooke fight
There but yeah listen he’s fighting an undefeated opponent um which everyone will be tuning into because Connor Ben no matter what anyone says about him he’s must watchat television isn’t he so let’s uh look forward to that I think it’s going to be held in UK prime time
They’re going to do the show in the afternoon so the UK viewers can watch it in their time which I think is brilliant Johnny Fisher is on that card really looking forward to see Johnny it’s Where it All Began for Johnny by the way um when Joe just give people and I know
This story’s been out before but just to reiterate it when Joe was training for debois the first time before it got called off with covid we flew Johnny out to Vegas and this is when Johnny was a full-time uni student just finishing off his uh is it his dissertation he was he
Was just finishing it off um and he came out um while he was and he was studying for his degree while he was in Vegas that’s the truth so Johnny was sparring Johnny and then when Johnny sparred Joe um we thought W he can he can actually
Do something Johnny in the in the in the in in boxing like like and because the the idea was never to it was it was all organic it never like oh let’s have a look at this kid we just knew that Johnny was tough and game and strong and
He turned out to be Joe’s lead sparring partner and he was smashing up some American heavyweights out there as well and like where it’s ended up now so good things happen to good people I don’t want to credit him too much because I like giving him a stick every now and
Again but he deserves everything he gets John he’s worked incredibly hard and I’m really really excited to watch his uh his American debut big up the ronford bull Army yeah I’m just just thought i’ give it a bit of a half half epic speech there but
That was too good a moment to not hit with hit you with a Johnny fiser calm down calm down yeah just B it is a bit of a calm down moment as well okay moving on from Jo now we start talking about um quite a big month for the Brits
Historically a a bit bit of a dry month and no month for boxing January but obviously John Ryder fights h m we have Callum Smith like you mentioned against p Tasha Jonas against Michaela Maya aara Davis I forgot that F was happening good fight aara Davies has his um us debut in
Vegas this week against barriers it’s it’s quite an exciting time for British boxing in January of all months yeah it’s yeah listen you’ve got the ha Mong gear fight is an interesting one I think uh that’s a really really close fight I actually don’t know who’s
Going to win that fight I would tell you how know I’m going on record and saying that John R is winning that okay well I literally I won’t be shocked if either be either it’s a great fight so looking forward to that I think Callum Smith’s
Gonna not better be out I do I think it’s gonna happen quote me saying it’s no problem Oh Sam might get it wrong I think Callum Smith is Gonna Knock face plant him I think he’s going to Chin him proper so and then who we got after that
In the in the uh for the Brits aara Davis I think aara Davis is going to beat baroso tough fight Natasha Jonas against mck La Maya good fight um don’t know who’s going to win that fight love to see Natasha win it but don’t know who’s gonna win that
Fight Samuel couple more from me USA boxing have come out with a absolute bollocks what a load of absolute bollocks literally what a load of bollocks like it’s if transgenders Charlie Parsons want to box right I’m G to quickly interrupt I just spoke about this with Gareth not too long ago and I
Know we’re in this new politically correct World in that but I just can’t help myself from laughing in in in it don’t give a [ __ ] about this politically correct will when it comes to stuff like this if you are born a man you are not you shouldn’t be competing against women
In any sport let alone fighting yeah if transgenders by the way transgenders and before anyone says oh he does transphobic no absolutely not transphobic if transgenders want to box you can box each other in the Undisputed transgender WBC champion of the world thing in a in your own category no
Problem no problem you’ve got full rights to box but box amongst yourselves not against other women who and and then this one about oh levels Let’s test the levels no if you born with your your your [ __ ] then you box you you you will box another person that’s had
That it’s just what honestly this world that we live in it actually really winds me up and I’m probably going to get a hell a load of stick for this interview but yeah well to be honest with you genuinely hand on my heart don’t give two flying shits what anyone thinks of
What I’m saying here because I just I just believe it absolute nonsense do a transgender category and let transgenders box fellow transgenders stay well away from from fighting women that were born women piss off you know what I find so mad about it all though there are like you like you
Hear about in Gareth gave a few examples earlier and I don’t know my my my other my multiport well enough and CER transgender athletes in multi Sports well enough to reference some example but we hear of cases weightlifting being one swimming yeah remember that big New Zealand weight that big New Zealand weight
Bre you talk about this transgender you know they can they can fight each other and stuff but I don’t know of any transgender people that even want to but who’s asked for this what trans people have I honestly and it makes you worry about the fact that is
There already transgenders boxing in the female category do you understand what I mean like like it makes you worry though doesn’t it makes you worry I think probably guess that there’s there’s not transgenders fighting in the okay well all I’m saying is is the in the answer
To question I don’t want to keep on this subject because I’ll say something that gets me into trouble but no absolutely [ __ ] not if transgenders want to box fantastic brilliant brilliant absolutely brilliant box your [ __ ] selves please and let’s just not the world not go [ __ ] crazy like already is but yeah
Let’s move swiftly on because I’ll get into more I get into draw wood Warrington uh two May 18 at the city ground and Taylor Cameron We Believe matum are in talks with the government uh the Irish government to try and get that quot part we know bril would like
It in the UK but financially and everything we sort of get yeah the fight’s not happening in the UK the fight’s never happening in the UK it’s not big enough over here over there it’s a monster so yeah really looking forward to that hope the fight happens it’s 1-1 so it’s
Rightfully there needs to be a winner of that so good luck to to both gos absolutely amazing two fights as well two great spectacles the Irish fans are unbelievable by the way some of the best fans in the world um wood Warrington horrible football ground is the city
Ground but lee wood does actually deserve it um he does really deserve his his moment there to to walk out in front of his uh his fans on the in the uh the city ground um but yeah it’ll be fantastic won’t it the leads fans probably going
To be putting the away end and they’ll probably do it as a as the way they set it up as a football match would so yeah it makes perfect sense wood against Warrington too ham and more signings yeah a couple more signings a couple of signings there potentially on
The way some really the it’s going to be really big and uh yeah ham Adin will make his debut uh early spring little bit hypocritical from you because when you tried to give it lemon 15 minutes ago I said lemon you know know now don’t interrupt me right you
Said I said to you I said there are new signings but you’re not going to tell me who they are and you went yeah I would have so now I’ve asked you and you’re not you’re not tell deserve also sat there honest to God spin this camera
Right now so the people can see what you’re actually doing you sat there like Dr Evil in in a spin rotating like a little honesty listen with that little plant next to you as well like you’re already like your lord sugar ready to tell someone to get fir
Listen I’ve had enough of you for it’s not my office Sam Jones always a pleasure thank you for speaking to us at Box’s social genuinely always lovely to catch up we’ll speak soon take care mate see end of it we need to think of a new adver for freebets.com
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