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Philadelphia baby you’re going to love it best sports fans in the world actually the worst but that’s what makes him the best hello everyone and welcome to the first episode of the 2024 campaign I am your I am your who let you take the reain here Benjamin
Because you’re being an idiot and you’re taking forever so I’m just gonna take I’m just I’m not doing anything of that sort let me I was on a roll all right fine play it back go ahead hello everyone welcome to the get in the hole podcast I am your favorite
Co-host Ben Pio that is Stephen maaf frod over there casually 17 minutes late per usual New Year same old Stephen I am so excited for this year I have a microphone it doesn’t work but it’s here for effect and hilariously Stephen said he wanted to do more live episodes and I
Said that would never work because you’re always late hence we are recording this so but I’m very excited for this we have a lot in the docket today as Stephen likes to say that’s like his favorite word to begin every single episode he looks fresh I look
Like I need a shower let’s get this show on the road ladies and gentlemen it it’s funny because uh technically I told you hey I got to be ready for 7:45 because I I have the distinct honor in my household of making dinner for my for my
Future wife so uh unfortunately I can’t be done until I finish [ __ ] dinner so you can wait on me and I’m sure when you have when you have a wife one day if you are ever desire roll up to get one although then if you’re ever desirable
Enough to get one or if you choose to not be a I am plenty desirable enough to get one give me a break I I just think I think you’ll be a 70-year-old man living in a highrise in Manhattan or or Miami probably and just soaking up the Sun as
As a single man your whole life well is I’ve literally said to both you and KB I I’m going to get my penthouse in Miami I’m gonna get a dog I’m gonna get a goldfish I’m gonna have the boys we’re gonna party that’s like you’re literally
Just did did you give a name to the Goldfish yet yeah I told you it’s Connor it’s Connor and then what’s the doll’s name probably Spike because that was the fir Connor was the first goldfish I ever had and then Spike was the first dog I
Ever had had so like kind of what what breed of dog Jack Russell Terrier is that all right that’d be really cute right hey K and I have always said she wants to get Labs so I would love to have two Labs have you ever seen Animal
House yeah you know otter and Boon I want to get two labs and OT I think it’ be the most hilarious thing is they’re I I don’t know if in the show they’re considered gay lovers or like they’re just best friends I I there’s some like odd dynamic dynamic between the two of
Them but whatever happens to be uh I really want two dogs that I can just have have as my my homies I always wanted actually a bulldog but Kay got mad at me when I bought it up because um they have like breathing problems because of because of their natural like
Scrunched face yeah and and she felt bad that that like taking care of a dog that literally cannot [ __ ] breathe uh would have been too much of a burden to have so I will settle in on the labs for now uh but hopefully one day I will get
My wish but as Ben said yes welcome it everybody sponsor this this show wow particularly uh is special because first show of the year new season New World of Golf to get into there’s like every it almost feels like more than just a new season because of
There’s new rules in place there’s new modifications there’s new things happening new names to get to uh so let’s just jump right on in Patrick Klay leads off the year with couple of quotes from Mark SCH schwach shach what it is on vspn uh chatted about the current
Negotiations with the PF the SSG which includes of course John Henry Arthur Blank and Company uh as the private investment firm and as well as the DP World Tour we’ll talk about that on the other side in about five minutes but can’t L particularly asked about all
That as he leads the PGA side of the board handling the negotiations working alongside being the liaison towards the players was also asked if he had considered at all going to live he quashed all all rumors that have been circulating for the last couple of weeks through the holiday season I thought
That he might be the next guy to go alongside his best friend Xander Schley squash that that he has no plans to go to live wants to be in the room where it all happens shout out to a little Hamilton lyric and is continuing it continuing his tie raade through the PGA
Tour despite a lot of uneasiness within the room as we had heard from I don’t know a month ago um Dan Port reported that he was that that there severing ties within the room for the PGA tour with the um negotiations pending we’ll see how how that how pans out but do we
Make anything of the Klay rumors the Klay uh confirmation that he’s staying on the PGA tour or should we be taking this with grand assault uh I would take everything look I would take everything as a grain of salt uh regarding who says they’re not leaving it
Because wash well here’s the thing I mean Rah said he would never go right and he did yeah yeah you know Brooks kka said he would never go and he did you know and then there you know then guys like you know Phil was very outspoken
About it you know and then guys just you know even Sergio like he got um he got kind of picked up on a hot mic when he was having one of his uh bonth B month ly that’s a word right bonly yeah yeah bimonthly tyraids on the PGA tour I
Think like a boom mik picked him up and he was like I can’t wait to leave this effing place um you know so it was kind of obvious he was leaving um I would just take everything that they these guys say with a grain of salt um you
Know I think it would it really I don’t know I I I would lean more towards him not going because he is kind of like front and center yeah um in trying to figure this stuff out for the tour uh which is kind of concerning because I
Really wouldn’t want him to be the primary decision maker or primary spokesperson for the tour uh that should be the commissioner who is shockingly um nowhere to be found nowhere to be seen uh unproductive and you and I both correctly predicted that they would not have this done come December 31st
And it is January 1st and they’re pushing the date back even though they said they made great progress but at the end at the end of the day one thing I know one thing I realize I just kind of had like this realization the more that PGA Tour
Players speak about what they think the PGA Tour should do or how they should or how they become more involved in said negotiations I become less of a fan of those players I don’t know why but I feel like it’s almost like this this should this should not at all be Patrick
Kentley’s concern and I feel like he’s just inundating himself with big issues when he should just be taking a step back and Maybe not maybe try maybe he should try to not be the leader or the loudest voice in the room because that’s kind of how it appears that’s how it
Appeared with Rory for a while and I think he kind of wised up a little bit um but I just I don’t know I feel like the players themselves should just like just kind of like let the professionals as in like the negotiators such as the commissioner
And the higher ups of the PGA Tour let them handle it but that’s just me I mean look I we’re obviously not in the room so we so we don’t don’t know what’s going on but I think you bring up a an interesting point but to play Devil’s
Advocate on that it’s the same thing as and it isn’t a perfect science here but I think the PGA Tour is in a different situation because the players aren’t technically owned by the tour much as like the NBA obviously pays their players they’re all within the
Union stuff like that that it’s a very different Dynamic and we we we touch on this all the time how the idea of being a independent contractor you are really fighting for yourself but also I think that actually gives the players even more of a say because of the fact that
They could very well leave whenever whenever they so choose now that there is an alternate setting to go to and and for the most part I don’t think anybody would would deny somebody particularly those with in the top 5100 that want to jump to a live knowing that they have
The opportunity to do so and you could replace somebody like a I don’t know Richard Bland from the list if Xander shley wants to join so I think they have to have more more involvement I think when it comes to players like in the NBA like when LeBron James wants to stand up
For like political activists and um and give his opinion on certain things it’s a different different sort of situation but we kind of we always praise the players for wanting to get involved in those things I don’t see a problem with anybody trying to get involved within
The negotiations because at the end of the day they only want what’s best for the tour there’s a reason why they’ve all still stuck it out and have hung around here but I think it’s it’s weird because with Klay who claims to be quote unquote in control um of the room for
The players and standing up for them there’s no more Rory Jordan Speed can’t do anything because because he’s now on the policy board so he’s totally uh exnay of anything going negotiation wise his full his sole focus is the PGA Tour tiger clearly isn’t doing anything and
On top of that you have a inept front office and a general management of the PGA Tour that clearly doesn’t have their own ducks in a row so naturally the next step is to have players get more involved and and have heightened involvement in trying to determine hey
Where do we go from here but the problem is is that because it’s so split I think we’re kind of we get that sense that we lose respect and lose appreciation for these guys because I our imediate thought is let the professionals handle it but the professionals can’t even
Handle it themselves well that’s the thing like and like I don’t know I have a hard time buying in that Patrick kley is fit to kind of like lead the room like I was a fan of him and then progressively over the last year or so I
Just became less and less of a fan and just based on his personality his demeanor I just don’t see why he should be leading the room you know I think you know I I don’t know I think it’s the lack of leadership from the top of the PGA Tour that the players
Themselves who aren’t even really employees are the ones getting involved and I just think it top to bottom it’s a disaster that’s but but but equ it’s as much of the players league as it is the front office and the management so I I’m not going to denounce them for wanting
To get involved I also think when you look at the the people who would take on that top roll I don’t think I don’t think anybody like you need a strong figure in the room and as i’ said tiger isn’t there Rory isn’t doing it I think
A lot of these guys are a little bit more uh let me stay away and let me focus in on my golf and my sponsorships to not upset anybody in ruffle feathers Patrick Hanley at this point really has nothing to lose he’s already he’s already bailed out on title as he’s
Bailed out on Taylor Maid in the past he bailed out now with Goldman Sachs and and Hugo Boss all of his sponsorships are are all out the door for whatever reason it is and partially it’s it’s because of his um his demeanor during the Ryder Cup but like what does he have
To lose I don’t think Xander schofl is going to be the one to get involved nor is he nor nor do I see him as being the vocal guy in the room room Justin Thomas is probably more uh probably more strong stronge headed than than anybody else
There’s a reason why he hasn’t gotten involved I think everyone’s also focusing in on like Tony fow’s got more got more things to do at home than he is to be handling something for the PTA tour I don’t think Victor havin wants to get involved I don’t think like again
Scotty Sheffer I don’t I don’t think they want to get involved because they have more things going on in their lives and trying to focus in on negotiations whether or not that that’s them being uh being like a pushover to this situation or not really caring I I feel they all
Do but at the end of the day I think Patrick KL just kind of fits the mold as being the one guy in the room who doesn’t really have anything to lose and is also older and more more senior than everybody else there that that kind of makes
Sense but but I agree whether he’s the right person is to be seen But the right people are not there so someone has to get in and someone has to get involved and someone has to make it make some sort of a decision or bring together the
The the players in some sort of Consortium to understand hey what do we need what do we want and then present it because quite quite frankly I think the PJ tour does a horrible job at representing their players to begin with and that’s in all facets and you can and
You can probably attest to that well yeah so yeah I mean they they suck at marketing I mean they’re a they suck at marketing they suck at at operations they suck at managing their own personal I it’s a problem so the players do really need to get involved and if anything I commend
Kentley for it um and going back to the original Point here the reason why it why I’m fully on board with him saying that he isn’t going to live because he’s in a heightened position like this he has no reason to want to go um he’s
Taken up this this brunt of the of leading the players to the point that why would he even jump at at this point as we had alluded to though the PJ tour did announce that they are extending that their deadline between negotiations with the SSG which of course as I
Mentioned includes John Henry Arthur Blank Steve Cohen and other uh Sports owners that are trying to get involved in a private Equity Group as well as the PF also has has now has now listed the DP World Tour as a minority investor they’re hoping to get this done have not
Announced a firm deadline but a agreement will assumingly press upwards of 11 billion doll into a new for-profit entity called PJ T Enterprises what that entails we don’t we still do not know yet but they are hoping to get a agreement soon according to ESPN uh negotiations are going on quite
Well and should be wrapping up eventually again whatever that means I don’t really know uh according to J Monahan he wrote he wrote in a memo as you know the pj4 policy board unanimously unanimously directed management to pursue exclusive negotiations with the SSG I am pleased to report that we’ve made meaningful
Progress and have provided the SSG with due diligence information they requested as we move forward in our discussions we are focused on the finalization of terms and drafts for necessary documents um allegedly according to ESPN $3 billion do will come straight from the private Equity Fund if the pif is involved more
Than 7 billion will come and then an additional four billion will come via the DP World Tour in a three-prong effort according to manahan our goal for 2024 is to reach an agreement bringing them on board as minority co-investors and PJ tour Enterprises Partnerships will allow us to unify innovate and
Invest in the game for the benefit of the players fans and sponsors just a little update for you I don’t know when the hell they’re gonna actually get get get this thing figured out and at this point I think the uh everything we’re hearing probably the best quote that I
Heard all weekend the commentator from the Giants game yesterday said it looks like makeup on a pig it sounds hot but it most certainly is not are you done I am done finally uh look we don’t know when these this whole deal is going to take place
If it ever will um I still have my doubts regarding it um I just find the whole thing very messy and there’s a lot of different moving parts now I’m about to make a comparison and it’s not a perfect comparison but once I explained it I think you’ll kind of get what I’m
Talking about yeah before Steve Cohen bought the Mets Alex Rodriguez and uh Jennifer Lopez had put together basically a group of successful athletes and celebrities to buy the Mets I mean it was anywhere it was like Brian eracer was involved it was like all these you know famous athletes or famous
Celebrities and you looked at all the names that were involved and all the different Avenues of where the money was coming from and you were like this is never going to work this has the potential to just be like a total disaster because you have all these different moving Parts in this
Like negotiation process and the main party doesn’t have enough money themselves we have the PF obviously they have the most money the SSG and the DP World Tour all being involved in essentially trying to save the PGA Tour that to me that’s just a lot of different moving parts and I know that’s
Only three parties it’s not a it’s not like a one-on-one negotiation but the fact that there’s four different entities discussing this and trying to negotiate where we really haven’t made much progress I don’t really understand what they’re trying to sell by saying they have made progress because everyone
Knew they weren’t going to be done this wasn’t gonna this wasn’t going to be reached by the end of last year and it obviously wasn’t because now we’re in 2024 I just feel like it’s a lot of moving Parts um and when you factor in the the
Lack of leadership I mean hey it’s nice that Monahan said something I mean I don’t really I take everything he says with a grain of salt for sure I think everyone should because I just think he’s almost like I I feel like at times he just kind of like talks out of his
Ass a little bit so that’s all I really have to say like that’s all I really got for you I just I feel like there’s a lot of moving Parts with this and that concerns me what I don’t understand is is that the P the PF
I sorry the DP World Tour and the PG tour is supposed to be in Partnership already as the European sector basically of golf versus the American side yeah I mean they kind yeah they are yeah like why why do they have to get why all of a
Sudden now being named in this agreement that they can’t just say hey we’re going to get give a give a $4 billion doll loan to the PJ tour to help grow competitiveness I I mean also questionably what what do they get out of it what is what does the DP World
Tour get out of giving the PJ tour4 billion dollar that all of a sudden becomes this massive thing that that they have to get involved in this is it is it possible that this is all just they’re the PGA Tour is trying to just create one big entity
Again we don’t even know what the what the PGA Tour Enterprises is well no but like I I know that but what I’m saying is like maybe that’s their idea is that we can get the SSG the PF the DP World Tour and obviously the PJ tour if we can
Get everyone on the same page we can basically create a monopoly again but like the PF they fund live so if the PF is going to basically help fund the PGA Tour what’s going to happen to Liv then is Liv just going to go on as like
A separate thing and just like a sideshow that’s what I’ve been trying to figure out the last the last six months well because like and the thing is though like you have like I remember there was there was the rumor that like remember it was like live and the PJ
Tour going to merge and I remember seeing a quote from like a tweet from Phil Mickelson he was just like anybody that left the PGA tour for Liv they don’t want to go back to the PGA Tour it’s never going to happen I’m paraphrasing obviously yeah but that’s
That’s essentially what he said so it’s just like I I don’t like when I see if he if look if the headline was the SSG and the DP World Tour and the PGA Tour I would buy into that much more but the fact that the PF is now is involved with
This because initially I thought and this was prior to Christmas it was the PJ tour SSG and the DP World Tour and it was basically like that was the backup plan if the PF and PJ tour kind of merger or partnership or whatever fell apart yeah now all of a sudden we’re in
The new year and all four parties it’s really four parties now they’re all working together so here’s the thing and this can go go back to I don’t know you three months ago when you and I were talking about this when and again we still don’t really even know what the
Hell’s going on but let’s just say the PGA Tour and live merge come together will include SSG and the D World Tour for shits and giggles at the end of the day we’re going to create one Mega group called PGA Tour Enterprises which will be owned and operated by the PGA tour
With minority stakes from the other three groups so no matter what the PJ tour is going to own this I don’t think Liv goes away I don’t think the PJ tour uh merges in with Liv I think what happens is the trademarks and the the patents and whatever it is that comes
From Liv the idea of Team golf because obviously you cannot afford to fight Liv at this point which is why they emerge in the first place they’re going to bring on the team the team aspect and bring it to the PGA Tour they’re going to try and get private investors and
Ownership teams let’s take Fortune 500 companies AT&T Goldman Sachs IBM whatever it might be to own these teams them along with the players will receive Equity within those teams and from there I guess the pif is is is going to Simply profit because because you’re right they can’t bring all four
Of these in because it’s going to create a new Monopoly and and it’s going to all fall under the antitrust law anyways which they’re already trying to fight to begin with which and that’s a whole that’s a whole separate thing because the government’s never going to figure
Out the their own timing to even get involved in figuring out the antitrust trust lawsuit considering you have more prevalent issues like for example nil and college ports that’s been fought on for two years now and no one has made any progress on it so this will never
Get figured out by the government but they also cannot get a new Monopoly so Liv won’t go anywhere the PJ tour will create this new arm which I don’t know what will result the tgl is going to be created come come 2025 now that’s not going to be a serious thing I don’t
Think it’ll be a serious thing but it’s going to be a wing of the PGA Tour or or actually might even be a a independent independent Enterprise I don’t think it is or it’s in partnership with the PGA Tour I think the whole the whole point
Of this is now to try and avoid an Anti-Trust lawsuit from the government and bust things up bless you to try and avoid whatever it is they can do to stop fighting with Liv and avoid government closure for whatever it might be but as
Of right now I have no idea and I think we’re just going around in circles and until we figure this stuff out it’s almost like it’s the dumbest part of the new cycle it’s become a NeverEnding circle of BS that not even the people who are involved know about
It the people in the room have no [ __ ] clue what’s going on the players the players only know know a fraction and honestly the only fraction they know is oh well well Liv’s getting involved or the PF who’s now synonymous I guess it would live is getting involved in this that’s really it
Well well that kind of goes to like the last point you were talking about that’s one of the reasons I don’t want the really I I don’t really want the players involved because they don’t know I feel like what they need to know that’s of course that’s that’s separate at this
Point that was our last point but you’re right I feel like there’s it’s like there’s so many layers to like just there like so many layers to this onion right now and then like I don’t know like you I don’t know you peel a layer back and something else comes up four
More grow it’s like just like it’s like it’s like let’s peel this one back it’s like ah we have four groups now trying to figure this out it’s like well then what happens to live like what’s what’s going on with the tgl like what’s going
On I feel like it’s just there’s so much uncertainty and it’s almost I don’t want to say it’s become a a joke but it almost feels that way I mean I feel like could agree like this is like it’s a joke like anybody in the golf media like us we’re just kind of
Like we don’t really know what to say about it because we don’t we’re just they add another wrinkle that just gives us like three or four more different outcomes of what could happen and that’s the worst part that’s that’s what I’m saying it’s like it’s a different story
If the media knew what was going on can report on something and give you more detail but we can’t do that the players can’t do that no one on either side is going to tell you anything it it’s a closed negotiation nothing’s going to move we don’t know
What what is happening and quite frankly I’m tired of I’m tired of having to talk about this and Phill news on this show because at the end of the day we’re stuck talking about it but no one knows what’s happening so until something is agreed
Upon and all the and all the details are out I we honestly shouldn’t even be talking about it it’s a waste I mean we could literally just like kind of maybe like find funny Instagram reels of golfers or just like funny golf articles like I don’t know
Like like there was this one you know let’s just how about let’s just like stop talking about this whole live thing because you and I are just going to keep going in circles because like and it’s not our fault we’re just trying to figure it out but there’s like nothing
We can do to figure it out I will say there was this really funny thing I think my sister sent it to me this is so off topic but we need to like because you and I are both kind of frustrated with this like whole news cycle thing
With Liv and the PGA Tour and the PF there was this wife she has like she like tracks like where her husband is at all time like like and she’s he’s playing golf and he was in the bunker and she goes I it’s funny uh because she’s next to me
Right now with her headphones in but um K and I like share our locations because got for bid if anything happens and she’s the kind of woman who like who like will sometimes track me for fun and I’m like stop looking my location uh like she’ll see like oh that I’m at like
Chick-fil-A what I’m like taking too long to get home because I’m G to surprised to word food or something like that I’m convinced that like one day that will happen that I will I will be in the buker and she’ll be like oh hanging out in the bunker I see she’ll
Be like she gives me a look no it it’s bound to happen all right should be like gez Steve Ben’s on the green like right next to the pin and you’re you’re give a break you and I already know that that that it’s bound to happen that I will take five or six
Strokes to get there probably three shots three shots out of the Trap just to uh get you out and two yeah you’re also a pro and I’m a Joe with that being said the 2023 season is now in the rear viiew it’s finally a new year 2024 the New Year’s resolutions are
Already getting underway the gym is [ __ ] packed and I hate it it’s so bad dude I will say I went early this morning no one was there and it was awesome I was talking to my mom about this I was like Mom like I’m just it’s it’s like that month you know like
The first month of the year you get all those people that want to get on their Fitness Trends and everything and and they gum and and give them a month and they’re gone but I was like Mom here’s the thing they never show up on January
1 because they’re all hung over from the night before so it’s like why start on January 1 we could start on January 2nd so you know you be shocked I I went at 6 and it was full I mean like granted granted it’s prime time but like yes
Like like everybody in their mother I I’m G I’m gonna have to make it a point of emphasis like to go before I have to get on the train in the morning like I’ve got got an 8:20 train in the train every morning I’m gonna have to get up
Like 6:00 AM go for my half hour and um and do that at least for the first month because it’s gonna be it’s it’s a freaking nightmare and the worst part is too dude these people who go to the gym they don’t they don’t rck anything dude
They’re they are leave it all out like like slobs it’s the worst bro here’s the thing so this might this might be bad um the audience is going to appreciate this joke so when I started rehabbing my injury it was my first day at the at the Orlando Magic Training Center and they
Were doing like all the measurements and stuff and the guy that I primarily work with he actually lives like two minutes from me which I didn’t I didn’t know but he was like oh like you live I was like yeah I’m like kind of w by he thr he’s
Like oh yeah I’m right around there too he’s like what gym do you work out I was like for our fitness and he goes is it nice I was like you know it’s good you know like I have a really good deal so I kind of like I can kind of stomach some
Of the crap that goes on there you know yeah I said you know there’s a lot of high schoolers you know look I’ve never done drugs before in my life that’s actually I’m not even lying that’s just true yeah um but when I was in high school the the cool thing for high
School kids to do was to do drugs now it’s to go annoy adults at the gym oh my God right it’s it’s like there is this one kid bro he’s walking around Barefoot okay and on top of that no no no it gets better he’s eating pasta out
Of Tupperware and he’s like leaving it like on the he would like he’d like do like he’d like do like dumbbell bench press like not a lot of weight and then he would just like his pasta up and just like start walking around the gym like and eating it I’m like you’re so
Disgusting like I hate all these kids all right all right hold on so the the big thing at my gym is all of the teenagers will go in like groups of like seven and just hog them hog the one [ __ ] shoulder press machine or or or whatever it might be and they’re all
Wearing the same thing they’re all in like joggers like joggers SWAT pants some form of some form of like like a t-shirt or a hoodie and they’re all wearing like Uggs or like slippers bro down here they wear Crocs or um or birken stocks and they wear pajama bottoms I biggest pet peeve
If you’re gonna go to the gym wear athletic clothing thank you like like I I’m totally fine like for me when I when I do uppers I I’ll go in Vans because I I have no reason to have to you be athletic on my legs that’s well Vans
Dude they make like baseball cleats or like Michael like that’s different like but like like van slipons when I’m when I’m hitting uppers yeah like like I’m gonna go and like do legs right there are kids that are wearing their like Ugg slippers hitting legs on the [ __ ] uh leg
Press wear sneakers why are you wearing pajama bottoms my favorite is when is when rack my favorite is when they’re on the squat rack and they have and they’re not even wearing shoes or socks that’s that’s that’s my favorite I’m just like you guys are disgusting
Like you have no idea the foot traffic that has gross that you that’s just I I sit there and like these kids like the other this was a couple weeks ago I asked this guy a random dude to like film me doing dumbbell bench press with
200s okay like slight Flex I know but there are these three high schoolers that are just like they were so annoying and they picked the bench right next to me and my level of just my annoyance for society increases every single time I’m at the gym and
They’re over there like flexing in the mirror just oh so stupid dude and they lift up their shirts like oh like look at my abs like you don’t have ABS like put your clothes on kid like I don’t need to like you’re making I I would love to know if like
The State of Florida has a law where you can’t like secretly record people in public because I know it’s I think it’s different from state to state yeah I you can send for some I would love to sit there with just like a secret little video camera somewhere and just film the
Crap that’s in the gym that goes on it is awful the people that don’t react they put the weights in the wrong spots they’re eat kids eating pasta like it’s disgusting I’m like this is what this is what the world has produced this is is okay so so you can technically so it’s
Florida is a two-party consent State meaning that um both parties involved in a private conversation must consent but in terms of just straight up recording somebody they can technically uh sue you or or ask for it to be taken down but if but you can openly record
Somebody what’s the you you took a video Once at Planet Fitness at home I think it was uh of some woman on the cables those people are the funniest [ __ ] people this so all right little story here now my uh do you want me to find that video and do we wanna like
Please do please do and we we’re gonna put I want to make a minseries for you and just be like dumb dumb [ __ ] people at the gym and we’ll throw it like on on your social we’ll collab on it it it it’ll be a segment on this show
Dumb people in the gym and we’ll show the videos on the on on camera but final thing though because we’re we’re Tangen thing we are so my uh my mom’s fiance is a former bodybuilder and we uh we go to Planet Fitness he hates like gold and
Planet Fitness because a is a lot of money and B he wants to just like like do his own thing so so so he goes to Planet Fitness it’s cheap he gets the uh the tanning booth the the massage chairs afterwards and he goes and he has been
Kicked out of the this gym at least 12 times for sounding off the lunk alarms I’ve set it off a couple times I didn’t even know it’s real thing so so his name is Daryl he grabs the heaviest weights to do uh to to do um bicep curls and
This guy goes hey bro when you’re done can I have those and he turns to him and he goes Buddy you can’t lift these and they yeah can bro biggest pet peeve is PE people who [ __ ] can like the hardest part of my gym day was finding a 45
Today and like like like this shouldn’t be difficult it’s always the it’s the weights that you need like if it’s leg day for some reason everyone’s doing leg day but like the people that are doing leg day like aren’t doing it right no [ __ ] W on this video dude it is
Classic your face too oh I didn’t realize I got my face dude you’re you’re you’re just smiling like what the [ __ ] is going on bro that’s so funny but yeah no like uh it was so hard for me to find this one weight and Daryl constantly will set off
The L alarm just just like Flex himself and it it’s so funny when I go to the gym with him because he gets so mad about everything he used to manage gyms he used to like he he’s a big like anal need to take all the weight off put it
Back in the right spots once you’re done undone using the equipment when he sees [ __ ] getting get like lying around or like some guy put uh like um one of the straight bars on the wrong um spot he literally said hey 30 goes here 40 goes
There if you can’t count get out dude it’s like I I remember seeing like 50 like I remember seeing 55s where like 35s go and I was like yeah apparently uh the United States doesn’t teach math anymore in the school system like we can’t like you know they teach you to
Like match like shapes school and like match you know colors and and stuff like that like God forbid we could match numbers together I mean and also like and and people people will carry these dumbbells like across the gym to where to wherever they’re working out do it in
The area or they’ll take like the 25s then they’ll take like the 45s and then they’ll take like like the 20s and they’ll bring them to one spot and they’ll just like they’ll do a couple bicep curls and then do some tricep overhead extensions and it’s just like like how
Much longer do you have with that you’re killing me right now it’s so bad all right anyways so with despite the the ridiculous new gym goers that that that Ben and I must deal with on a daily basis now for the next month until they all wind up inevitably leaving leaving
And quitting and the gyms take all their [ __ ] money the 2023 season was a very very like crazy and um best way I can describe it was possibly one of the best years in in golf history in my opinion like when you look at everything that everything thing that went down the
Number of story lines could not be um as Bountiful as we had this year and I’m so excited to see what full swing season two can bring but Ben what were some of the best moments for you in 2023 what what were some of the most newsworthy
Moments that you remember like I was here when this happened kind of thing uh I have three in particular uh number one my main man John ROM one of the Masters um I think it’s not the fact no obviously yes he won the Masters I mean the Masters
Every year there’s some type of like incredible story something incredible happens either incredibly good or incredibly bad I he played Fant I mean the guy won by four shots um but I remember the shot he hit on 18 he like kind of like hit a bad t- shot on 18 I
Think he hit it left he laid up short of the bunker and it was a short set pitch like up and over this bunker it a short pin and you know look some people be like well he was up four shots and so you know there wasn’t much pressure he
Spun the C crap out of this ball and it was just to me it was just like the ex like this just the exclamation point to an unbelievable Championship um I thought he I thought that was e that was easily one of my top three moments for sure um staying within
That tournament um seeing guys from Liv compete at a high level in a major because I think that was kind of the knock it’s like well I mean are how are these guys going to play you know I think there was a lot of there there
Were there were a lot of n sers that were like I mean are they going to win are they going going to be able to compete like I mean Phil with a final round 65 in the you know in the final round this past Year’s Masters finishing
Tied with Kea Patrick Reed finishing top five at tied for fourth at at uh seven under I mean right there the top five at the time three of them were on live right so I think it proved the fact that the guys on live can definitely
Still compete with the big boys on the PGA tour or the DP World Tour um and then lastly um actually guess two more for me uh kka uh winning a major again I believe that’s his fifth major six um six fifth me right two P oh three PG and two US
Opens I want to look it up just to make sure I know he’s never won a Clara jug and he’s never won the the Masters um Majors five he’s one five yeah yeah because he won the PGA this year um him winning the PGA uh it was kind of coming
Down to the wire on the back nine and he hit some incredible shots and to kind of get that major monkey off of his back you know because he hadn’t he hadn’t won one and he this guy he was all about the majors you know he openly not openly but
Everyone kind of knew it’s like for Brooks it’s the majors and that’s it that’s what he cares about you know uh that like that’s like his like that’s those those are his championships that’s what he cares about the most to see him go and win especially with how his
Mentality uh was portrayed and how he was really struggling with his game when full swing kind of caught up with him in the first season Y to see someone like that come back and look Brooks is not I’m he’s not my favorite player in the
World you know I I don’t love some of the things that he says um but I always root for comeback stories and I always root for professional athletes to to achieve to if they’ve been counting out if they’ve been counted out or or if they’ve been written off I love seeing
Professional athletes get back on top you know and get to the top of their Sport and watch them be successful and he C he overcame a lot of mental hurdles he overcame a lot of physical hurdles because he’s had a lot of injuries and um it’s it was it was a fantastic
Championship I remember I was in Knoxville when that was going on um that was the day before my 3-wood broke um and literally um and then lastly Victor hin just absolutely as Aaron Rogers would say running the table during the FedEx Cup playoffs just just a I’m gonna
Coin a word here a studly performance I mean just making every putt hitting every shot every approach shot exactly where he’s supposed to hit it playing smart yet confident golf um not a not a single putt looked like it was going to miss that whole week and he
Was fully in control his short game has become really a world class short game he’s top to bottom when you look at his game top to bottom he’s now easily a top three player in the world easily and I’m not looking at owgr rankings I’m just like I test the stats
He is he’s up there man and when he’s on no one can beat him I’m convinced so I had three um two of which are directly linked with you um actually kind kind of all three of them are this was the year of three guys that I and
Liv is kind of the the overarching theme um of one of them the first half of the year was the was what seemed like the year of John ROM and the second half was the year of Victor hin and I’m going to kind of link them both together because
John ROM won four events in the first four months of the year completely shut me up when I said it was in clutch and completely turn like like you said ran the table on basically everybody that first first four months of the year he was down he was down nine shots to
Victor havin I believe at the Sentry and won with a back-to-back final final weekend rounds of 6 three a piece one two weeks later at the American Express in in California one at the Genesis in February and Then followed all that up with he won the Masters so you go four
Four huge events and then after that Victor havland finally figured out his chipping post Pebble Beach won the memorial and then like you said ran the table on the BMW and the tour final and I remember you and I you and I were watching the BMW uh third round I think
From the best page Clubhouse yeah and we were saying that that he was not [ __ ] missing every single shot was perfect it was dialed the shaping was terrific he took out he took out Fitzpatrick and Sheffer in the playoff at the BMW and or sorry late and won by
Two strokes and then and then ran the table in the final up up what five Strokes I think to win it all just an absolute crazy number I think at the end of the day I think Victor hin is Head and Shoulders the best player on tour right now because while everybody has
Their things scote Cher had the worst putting year of his career which albeit um kind of hard to say when he still gained two strokes total but when you look at his past he was up he was up in the 12 13 14 Strokes gained putting at
Durations of the Year Victor havin is now top five in every cial category by Year’s End and that was with a really bad shipping performance for the first two months of the year has completely turned around has been all about Improvement and his game just gets better and better and better every
Single week and it’s showing even now in the uh DP World Tour race to Dubai and then during the offseason you constantly see he’s getting better and better and it’s it’s crazy one of the things I really enjoy about just like watching professional athletes I enjoy the player the players
I enjoy the like watching the most are the ones who don’t get complacent because I think when you’re one of the best players in the world and you you know you have you made a lot of money you’re young you know it might be easy to get complacent right he has just this
Determination to just improve in different areas it was like like for the longest time people like Sergio Garcia was this amazing ball Striker and he sucked at putting and it’s like dude okay when are you going to get like a putting coach okay or if you’re if you
Have a putting coach when are you going to fire him you know like what’s going on here yeah whereas Victor hlin he just sat there he’s like you know what my short game isn’t good so I’m just gonna hire one of the best short game coach as I can and I
Don’t care how much it costs I don’t care how much time it takes I’m just gonna do it you know there’s I think that there’s always something to be said for a professional athlete who is one of the best in the world but continue to just refine their game add components
It’s like when LeBron he was like you know what I’m not a very good three-point shooter and this was years and years ago he’s like I’m two threes because that’s where the league is gonna go and look at him he’s 39 38 years old and he’s averaging
25 eight and seven you know like that’s that’s the mark of a champion to me is someone who not only wins but has the desire and just the determination to go and to just get the very most out of their skills that’s what I that I love
That about him and I think Victor hin has that and the fact that that that he’s doing it at 26 is even is even greater like again again Scotty Sheffer is arguably the best player in the world but despite this year and look the jury’s still out we have to see what he
Does putting wise this year but he kind of it almost felt like Scotty got a little complacent because he already knew he hit it further than everybody else and he already knew that his his his approach game was Elite when he won his what six events in eight weeks La
Two years ago including the Masters over cam Smith I think from that point forward it kind of was a little little bit of complacency and he showed flashes uh when he won the waste management when he won the Players but that level just isn’t there in comparison to havin over
Over the last six months and it’s over the top been just Victor’s year and I think this is going to be the be another year where the guy’s already now won a TOUR Championship he hasn’t won a major yet but I think he’ll most certainly win
One this year I think this is going to be the year that he wins player of the year and this and honestly it’ll be tight probably tightest it’s ever been considering people are already putting l uh obber in the top five but like I think this this is a this is the year
For havin the other storyline though that that I think got really under undercard and it all happened in the last two months of the year in in the illusion to you where you said that live players showed out in the majors I’m going to actually take it a step further
Live players won eight of the Final 14 tournaments on on any golf tour in the world the last 14 weeks of the Year all of which happening in Europe Asia and Africa eight live golfers won 14 events in fullon DP World Tour fields which included PGA Tour
Players lives legit and I’m not even talking like Dustin Johnson’s winning these events Patrick Reed won Louis usas won two Dean burer won two um Richard Bland won one like these are not even the biggest names on these tours and they took Home Hardware in every single
Event now you’re only adding on the biggest storyline of the Year being next to the ball roll back John ROM joining Liv like like like this is now the year that that Liv golf is going to solidify itself as as far more of a force that
Than it ever has been and it’s going to and it’s going to come to light even even faster than than once we get the once we get to Major season because now we’re at the point too this is the fun part where now most of the guys on live can’t
Qualify for the majors because they because they fall out of unless they have exemptions the owgr rankings to get to those spots so we’re so we’re kind of hitting the precipice here where the Live players are going to have to do the most with their opportunities and I do
Think that even though they’re going to play on live courses which are not harder slope wise and rating wise than PJ tour courses they’re going to have better weekends and I think if you put them head toe Head Live golf’s going to be a major force and they’re only
Getting better and stronger every year and some guys will jump there are more spots to fill there are more guys to go so give it time and live live will bounce off the page in 2024 I have one thing to add before we go I’m assuming into our season predictions um
Yeah I found it so laughable when people were saying well if you give these guys guaranteed money their play is probably going to slip because they you know they’re already getting paid they they’re not going to work as hard I had this conversation with uh with an
Instructor um from who’s from Europe and I looked at him and I was like you do realize that these guys in all these other sports whether it’s baseball football hockey soccer whatever it is that sign like these big fat guaranteed money contracts they continue generally to be
At the the highest the the height of their career you know like the best of their they continue to play their best sport basically their best version of themselves in their sport well what you just said the fact that they won eight out of the last 14 of
Those tournaments just proves that even though they got guaranteed money they’re not complacent they’re still just as motivated because they sit there and they’re like you know what fine I can’t play on the PJ tour anymore but you know what I can do I can go play on the DP
World Tour or I can go play on the Asian tour or the sunshine tour or whatever it is and accumulate world ranking points that way and if I play well enough maybe all get into some Majors you know like uh I mean you know it depends like some
Guys have exemptions into Majors already like yeah like Patrick Reed I mean he’s in the Masters forever right but other guys that you might not have heard of it’s like or you might not be as familiar with or don’t have the championship pedigree of a Kea of an us
Haen of a Patrick Reed they’re gonna be like you know what I’m still motivated because I want to play the majors exactly I’m just gonna I’ll play on live and I’ll play these other tours that will give me world ranking points and who knows because remember the Masters
Is By Invitation as well okay so obviously yeah you have to be like in the top whatever but you also have to be invited and I do think who knows they might make exceptions to certain guys on live you never know about that so yeah um and not nothing too it would be
Ludicrous to see like someone like Louis usas not playing the Masters think about that yeah insane that would be insane so like and and the crazy part is too is that right like they are I don’t even think it’s a matter of complacency that that this all
Happens I think the funny thing is that we we almost forget that that that that they exist because they aren’t in the PGA news cycle and we don’t get enough like live media quote unquote um we only really ever hear about Liv when it comes to what’s happening on the business side
And not the actual performance side so like for example right like if I threw a name out by the way uh Michigan just be Alabama um let’s go in overtime the when you look at and I and I’ll throw out three names that I heard in I heard them
Recently and I was like they’re playing golf still like Jason kokra Xavier Lum completely forgot that he that he was even playing golf anymore of course he’s playing for Liv like the those names are like even like Kevin Na has not had a lot of recognition on on
The live tour with the exception of a handful of names it almost feels like they kind of fall into media irrelevancy but they still hold the same desire to win golf offense I mean at the end of the day even though you’re making guaranteed money every single event
You’re only playing 14 events a year so there’s still more money money to be had for sure so that’s why I think I think Liv is going to be um as impressive as um as in years pass and they’re they’re only going to get better because the competition is getting better because
DJ’s still really good and now John Ram is getting involved and it’s going to be huge we’re going to take a short break on the other side we’re going to review our 2024 predictions for the season we’ll give you every single breakdown and of course we Overlook the century
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Rush through the second half of the show here with ease we lead off our 2024 predictions with our major winners this year give me your four picks each of the majors and this is going to be a uh we’re going to have to hold a a contest
Here for how many for how how many of these we get right across the board but you’re your major winners this year at the Masters US Open Open championship and of course the PGA god um loaded questions Max hom wins the Masters um Ricky Fowler wins the US Open
Because it’s at Pinehurst this year isn’t it yep yeah he finished second there albe it he was like 10 behind Martin kimer last time they were there but he has played well there Um where’s the Open Championship this year uh I’ll tell you right now 2024 Open Championship will be at Royal trun give me Tommy Fleetwood that man is overdue he has no I’m a sucker for good golf swings and where’s the PGA this year uh the PGA Championship Valhalla this is a great
Year for Majors holy [ __ ] dude holy [ __ ] I’m gonna go the PGA Championship that’s crazy Dustin Johnson wow yeah uh all right so my picks for the majors um the Masters I think Brook keco wins it I think BR I really wanted to pick
Him but I don’t know I just max hom is such a good putter like he’s so good at putting and you have to be an amazing Potter so my my two picks for for the Masters as of right now are kka and speed and I think spe’s always in the
Running just because his putting is always better than everybody else’s um but I’m leading Brook Capa to win The Masters and because I for him I think the Masters is gonna be harder to win than the British so to get that to get to get the Grand Slam I think he needs
The Masters more uh so I’m gonna take Brooks at the Masters at the PGA right now on the odds board it’s cheffer mroy ROM I don’t want to hear any of them I like col morawa at vajala okay the US Open for Pinehurst this is this is this is where
It gets like uh like thing I think Victor havin is gonna win a major I don’t know if he’s gonna win in Scotland or he’s gonna win it win a Pinehurst um I’m gonna take I’ll take Victor at the US Open and at the British I’m gon I’m gonna take John ROM
It’s the Open Championship get it right sorry the Open Championship I apologize I think John ROM will win that one too I think that I think you have to I I have to get a European uh on the board for trun so those are the four early picks
They’re probably apt to change once we actually uh get to these but I think as of right now a pretty solid o overall pick at this point though Justin Thomas is probably going to win his 18th uh PGA so let’s be honest uh all right who will
Win their first PGA Tour event in 2024 couple of names that stand out Min R Le Cameron young Eric Cole Tommy Fleetwood you know what I I really I mean this is It’s not like a one one person answer is it technically well give me one guy who’s guaranteed to
Win his first PJ Tour event this year it could even be someone that I didn’t just rattle off it could be a rookie you know what I’m gonna go I I think Cameron young is such an obvious one so I’m just gonna like yes Cameron young is gonna win but my my
Pick for this question is gonna be Tommy Fleetwood I think that this is the year he breaks out I do I think this is the year that he breaks out he wins a major he wins a couple PGA Tour events and he has just like that like that like three
Wins in a major kind of year you know I I could totally see him doing that I think that that’s very reasonable I think that that’s so doable for him and his talent level so he’s just like wait it’s just like we’re just waiting for it
To happen you know yeah yeah no I I I I agree I’ve been sitting on on on Fleetwood for probably what three or four years now I think he’s he’s played in at least he’s played in I think 170 something events and not and is not not
Won on the PGA tour nor is w a major so it’s more than due for him um my pick is easily minw Le probably the most underrated player on the PGA tour top 50 player in the world he has two wins in the last two months he won the Australian PGA
Championship uh the weekend of Thanksgiving and he won on the Asian tour at I think maau uh in October he’s 25 he’s the he’s one of only three players to have finished top 25 in every major this year he finished he finished T5 at the US Open finished t18 at the
PGA and he finished top top 25 at both both the Masters in the open I think this is this is the year Mino wins on tour and might very well might be in contention on Sunday for a major at some juncture he is that good and and again
Pure golf swing pure player really good all around his sister is arguably better than he is and he has all the potential in the world C can you imagine like being like having those jeans like those jeans like could you imagine it’s like it’s like uh like the like the mccordi
Brothers yeah you know like it’s like it’s insane to me I think like the Kelsey Brothers you know D the you don’t you don’t even really H have to even go far the cordas the daughters are both are both on tour the father and I think the mother were both Olympic tennis
Players and Sebastian is now is now going to be um on the front line at the Australian the at the Australian Open in tennis like a studly athletic family or like the Joneses despite being mentally insane Chandler Jones and Jon Jones that’s freakish but like like the the Le mini
Lee and minwu Lee are just like both absolutely amazing at at the sport I think uh I think minwu won the 2016 Junior Amur and she won I think the the woman’s Junior Amer they’re the only brother brother sister PA to ever win the USGA championships in the same year
That’s insane like that like they’re just absolutely sick I think uh Min W Le is going to win his first event and look I really hope that Cameron young and um and and Fleet would get theirs as well because because it’s been a long time
Coming but minu is my guy there is no technical award for the comeback player of the year on the PGA tour but we have won it’s the get the whole come player of the year that is so criminal that there isn’t like a that ridiculous if
They don’t have we we each said said it was the Resurgence of rookie Fowler in 2023 and guess what it was who is gonna win the second the second annual getting the whole comeback player of the year look it’s it’s between two players I I think everyone can agree it’s between
Justin Thomas and um ohus yeah and will zat Torus that being said I am more inclined to pick the player who does not have the injury history uh so that being said I’m going to go with Justin Thomas I think he’s Prime for a bounceback year I would not
Be shocked if he won a major I would not be shocked if he won multiple times in the PJ tour this year um I think I think he’s going to have a very nice year and I think his head’s in a good spa I think his head’s in a good
Spot uh he played you know he played pretty well at the Ryder Cup um I think he’s motivated like you know look I’m sure I’m sure was I’m sure will elor is as well but physically I think from a health standpoint from a physical skills standpoint uh I know will is a probably
A pro not probably he is a better ball Striker I would assume than JT but the all-around game let’s be honest Justin Thomas is a better putter than will alot torus uh even though I will always uh support will um it’s got to be Justin Thomas man for in my in my
Mind part of me wants to kind of take the T take the high road and go with someone totally different um what like tiger could you no no no no I just messing we no no we uh we know what to expect from Tiger Woods um the fun part
About it being the getting the whole player uh comeback player of the year is that it doesn’t even really need to be on the PGA tour uh and I don’t even really know if you can call it a comeback in this regard but if he wins a
Major I think it’ll most certainly be a a comeback story for for the decades if I’m gonna take a PGA Tour player Jason day who won late in the fall series I think will give um another run for run for their money performance as he’s just
Now just moved um to malbin golf as his apparel sponsor I think he will have another resurging year where it almost seemed like he had it for the first couple months and it tailed off um but Dustin Johnson if Dustin Johnson can can come out hot on the Live season possibly win
A major or two or be in contention I think there’s uh there’s placement for a comeback Player of the Year love if I’m gonna take it between JT and Z tus I’m gonna lean Z Tes because JT pisses me off too much I’m I’m I’m instituting a
New getting the hole award as well uh the underachiever of the year who is going to the who is going to achieve the least that has all this hype going into this year oh man who’s who’s gonna suck ass in 202 oh man this is a tough one
Um I think I have the perfect pick I’m trying to think you know what you go first I don’t know who I want to pick yet he will not win a major in 2024 and and the the drought and the dry spell will continue who I think Rory
Mroy is going to be the biggest underachieve of 2024 he won’t win [ __ ] and if he does win he’ll win like a European Tour event or like the Scottish open again I at this point I’m until he wins a major I’m not buying anything on the Rory malro
Train I mean I old old used Goods I mean I also said uh I said I wasn’t going to talk about him until he won a major yikes I still stand by um I was G to be fair I was gonna pick him but I’m like you know what he’s like finally
Kind of shut his mouth and so maybe he’s like actually focusing on himself now which is probably good for his golf game um I’m gonna go with someone at the left field and I don’t really know if this even qualifies because his career has been so up and down Lucas Glover I mean
Just like a back door like top finishing what top like was was top five in FedEx Cup points going into the Tour Championship like I just I think his career has always just been like this you know I think like there were probably four three four five years ago
Or something like that you know guys started getting on CBD and they were like endorsing it and it was one of his like big sponsors like he I think he was like one of the guys like put it like in his coffee like would drip it in his
Coffee and stuff and he was like this has like really helped me and he had a really good year he did he he won a tournament he made to the Tour Championship and then this past year he’s like I got this Putter and it’s amazing because I’ve never known how to
Putt before and he played amazing he won two of the all like two of the biggest events of the year you know excluding the majors essentially um but I can’t IM I can’t remember a time where he had back-to-back good years you know he’s it’s almost like a
Little bit like Cam Newton es like cam would have a great year and they have a bad year they have a great year they have a bad year I think I think Lucas Glover is kind of like a shoe in for that I think a second name that I think
Stands out out for underachiever and I I don’t really know know if you can give him call him an underachiever because he’s been he’s been so consistent but he can’t log enough wins from you to be like hey he is really a top five goer in the world like Xander Schley
Oh like I just does not ring like the like outside him winning the Olympics it’s like the biggest achievement he’s had in the last five years hey that’s a great achievement though come on fine great but at the end of the day he doesn’t win Majors yet he’s a shoe in
For for a top five like every single time yeah I I just like like he he can’t get over that hump and I don’t know what it is about his game he always comes he like it’s the final three holes and while he’s taking one step forward he
Ends up for us back every single time and it’s always on Sunday Al think Xander might also very well um underachieve 2024 the Rookie of the Year lots of names coming up this year from the corn fery tour I know I was really hoping like if like if
Mickey had gotten his tour card I would have just I would have been like Mickey Mickey deor all the way Um I’m gonna go with uh you know what Gordon Sergeant I feel confident with that pick he’s a solid young player I think uh very motivated motiv motivated seems to be motivate motivation motivated that seems to be the word of the show today motivate you know what’s that it’s the J Cole song
Motivate yeah I don’t know I I think you look in all seriousness this this guy he’s a solid player um as with almost every single rookie every year not much is known about him so this is kind of like a crapshoot in a way it’s not like L viberg you know like
Everybody’s like oh yeah he’s gonna be a stud you know once he got his starts he’s like well yeah that’s just gonna work yeah um but yeah that’s see Gordon Sergeant I think he’ll have a good year might win you know win a PJ Tour event I could see
That gord’s really good um you know it’s really hard honestly because there are so many players coming up this year that have like a pedigree that stands out like amongst the rest so for example like Pearson and Parker Cy both both from Texas coming in we’re
Gonna be like like fighting love love VI abber to get their PGA Tour U card in that in that inaugural swing uh Michael thoron I think is going to graduate this year from Stanford he’ll be in the running Gordon sergeant from built um I think Chris gup is going to be in there
Too Travis Vic from Texas there are just so many names to to throw out there Gordon Sergeant hits the ball so [ __ ] far though that I’m just like convinced that this guy once he gets on tour fulltime is gonna be nuts um but I think he’s only a junior at Vanderbilt so I
Don’t know if he’s gonna play the year out and then come on tour um or or or try and get like a ex a partial exempt exemp Redemption sponsorship uh opportunity so I’m going to go go with somebody who will in fact be on tour this year I’m going to go Ben Kohl’s
Finished top of the kft last year does he I have a question does he count though because didn’t he play on tour a long time ago does he count um he not LED enough what’s that he might have not logged enough service time no actually no the
No no no mind he’s played in 55 events yeah but I don’t know if those I don’t know if those 55 have been concurrent throughout his whole career no I I’ll help you out here come on H my phone sucks you’re all good um let me keep on on looking around here and
Trying to see who else falls on this list that I can I that I can run with with um here we go if I have to give you a different name though which I’ll go with uh all right so all right so so Kohl’s does not qualify because he played uh to many
Events in the 2021 season all right so with that said then I’m gonna have to go with a different fun name Um all right here we go is my guy uh I’m going to totally butcher the name but it’s easy for me to to go with this plays at the UN played at the University of Illinois for four years was a top five player in the Amador rankings all
Four years of college he finished 11th on the kft points uh yeah sorry 11th in the kft points ranking he had one win six top 10 on the kft on a sponsor exemption he has one c p to start Belgian golfer Adrien Dumont de de chasa [ __ ] yeah you butchered that name
Did I I have no idea it’s Bel that was this kid’s [ __ ] crazy though and I at 23 people have people have compared him relative to like the grouping that L oberg was in when he when he came up it’s like it’s like ham Joe heis Smith
From Pepperdine who I watched uh from my from my sister um going there Mt mner is another guy who who’s who’s within that range these are all guys coming in again Chris GD up as well and the cies that can all make a huge impact early on but
I think adrien’s goingon to be a uh a force saw him play play a little bit uh at on golf Chanel or college tournaments he hits the ball far his approach game is really good and his pting is really strong too so I’ll take him for a early
Prediction for for the Rookie of the Year finally the biggest news story of 24 who’s going to dominate the headlines is a player is it a is it a story we’re going to be following what will it be biggest news story of the year we come
On Stephen it’s gonna be it’s gonna be the PF the PGA Tour the SSG the DP World Tour you know Patrick kley running the show or maybe Tony F now you know running the show eventually that’s what it’s going to be it’s going to be the
Fiasco that is the PGA Tour merger with whoever whoever whoever’s attention they can get that’s what it’s gonna be that’s what it’s gonna be I hate to bring it to you but that’s what that’s what it’s gonna be whe whether or not the merger even happens by the way whether or not
It happens I think this think the the storyline of the year is going to be a major player is going to go to live and join with John ROM and it’s going to absolutely shake up everything and we’re going to start to get a push here where
People are going to be vying for a PGA Tour vers live event similar to a Ryder Cup I think it might happen What like some private company is gonna do something something like the match and they’re gon to get as many players as they can to sign up for this
And do like let’s say a 6v6 or a 8v8 whatever it might be and do a weekend Ridder cup event sponsored by some big time company could you I think it’s gonna happen could you imagine like if that happened like live beating the PGA T players could you imagine and and tell
Me I’m tell telling you right now Greg Norman will sponsor it oh for sure and Big Time companies will get involved and people are going to want to make this a huge [ __ ] thing and it’ll happen and it will come together very quickly that would be awesome all right yeah that’s
That’s the gist it like live will will overtake all right really quickly uh quick chatter the century formerly called the the century Tournament of Champions caloa this weekend for the 18th year uh we’ve we’ve been playing the century the fifth time we’ve been going back to caloa uh all
All former Champions all players from the Tour Championship that qualified uh a bunch of new guys in the field love overberg listed third on the odds board third shortest odds making his debut event uh making his debut here at this event par 73 7 7500 yards all very
Getable par fives it’s a resort style golf course everything is going to be reachable low scores um I think the what the PJ tour scoring record occurred here a three-way between Matt Jones John R and cam Smith in 2022 was there was 34 under pass winners here include Harris sing Justin th Ander
Schley Jordan spe the the field is loaded it’s it’s one of the biggest one of the smallest BigTime Fields we’ll have all season and with that we get into our Beer Money picks presented by our friends over at Kenwood beer get in the hole is brought to you by Kenwood
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Go to me this one I feel like the the fact that ox’s so low on the odds board I just feel like that’s like kind of a I feel like that’s a little bit bizarre uh I’m gonna go with AA baa top 20 uh top
20 for me I’m gonna go with Cory Connor um last year he was a really he was really good off the tea but he was really bad around the green and putting uh but the nice thing about this golf course is that you can hit it so damn
Far with the winds blowing out blowing out in Hawaii that I think the ball will carry enough that that he’ll be able to hit close enough he won’t have to worry too much about being around the green uh I’ll take Corey Connors for a top 20
This week your top 10 pick I’m gonna go with Eric Cole he had a great year last year uh he made made like like four and a half million dollars I think it was uh I think this is a perfect course for him I’m goingon to go Eric Cole top 10 Uh top 10 for me uh I know I said he’s going to be a super underachiever but I know that he is able to do a lot of things around this golf course alander schle for a top 10 it’s almost a lock but again uh always a bridesmaid never a
Bride he’ll finish top 10 but he probably W won’t win this year top five top five I’m gonna go with Max hom he putts it way too well and I mean look everyone out here is going to hit Fairways everyone out here is going to hit greens it’s who putts
The best really at the end of the day um I’ve played this course before um the greens are enormous very ulating and a lot of grain and when you factor in Wind which is what they are 1,000% going to be encountering they they will 1,00% be encountering that on the beautiful
Island of Maui putting is a premium it’s the it’s it becomes an imperative skill Max hom top five uh a really fun pick here for me uh he got his first win at the 40 net during the fall series pushed him all the way to the top he’ll be in
Every signature event uh SC thalo for a top five he’s finally won his first event he’s finally gotten over the hump he’s now uh firmly within the top players in the world uh and he still isn’t even in the top 30 yet so I like scye for a top five your
Gimme pick this week okay I’m going to go I’m gonna go with Tony feno uh this course fits him well he’s a bomber obviously he’s a great ball Striker um so it’s hard it’s hard for anyone not to have it’s hard for it’s hard to not have
A good ball striking week on this course the reason I say top 10 though is his putting does kind of scare me and this is going to be a putting contest at the end of the day on this golf course because the scores are going to be so low um um and
Because ball striking it really just evens out out there uh so I’m gonna go Tony F now for a top top 10 uh I’m gonna go top 20 Russell Henley if I can put Corey Connors in for a top 20 and being B on the greens and putting I think I
Could do the same thing with Henley um it’s almost the same story he’s really good off the tea and his approach game’s really good but his putting hasn’t uh translated yet he’s managed to come top five in multiple events in Hawaii including a runner-up finish last year
At the Sony so I love Russell this week to capture me a pretty solid figure your winner this week at the century as we hope to lock in a one for one the begin the year to me I think it’s gonna end up being a two-horse race I think it’s
Gonna come down to either Victor hn or or LV gber I know sheffler um is the highest on the odds boards but with how he putted coming down the stretch last year uh that just really concerns me I want to see a couple events out of him
Um I’m going to go with Victor havland I think he picks up right where he left off um I think that this is like the last you said it so well you said you said it very well the last the second half of last year was like it was like
The year of Victor havland kind of um this could very well be the year of Victor havlin so I’m gonna go with Victor getting off to a great start in 2024 yeah I the way I see this it’s a it’s a two to maybe three horse race and
It’s Victor it’s ludvig and I’m I’m gonna Loop in Jordan Speed solely because again it’s a putting contest and I can never count him out um but Victor’s just been so dialed in and focused on getting his game to a level that is so much better than everybody
Else’s I think Scotty’s great I think Scotty Scotty will hit it so far and be on every par five and two but then again I think most people will be will be able to do so in these conditions um it’s wide open the winds are going to be
Blowing for the most part I think almost every hole is downwind on the back nine which is where you really need your scoring to be high so I think with that being said I will go with Victor havin as well with you and hopefully we can
Lock in that first play but I do think that it’ll be a two-horse race between Victor and lvic come Sunday that’ll be a a almost definite final thoughts before we hit the road any resolutions that you have for uh the new year I have so many
Number one you know I was a loser last year I really was I felt like I was a loser I had a loser attitude I had a losing mentality um I’m just I want to get back to being a winner you know and I have a
Lot of goals for golf for Fitness for like you know friendships and relationships and stuff um but you know what I just felt like a loser I felt like I honestly I I felt like I surrounded myself with people that have losing mentalities and I felt like that
Negatively rubbed off on me and uh clean slate in 2024 for me so yeah get back to my winning mentality and my winning ways in just the game of life not just in golf but like the game the game of life we we’ll love to see Ben pero fighting
For his PGA for his PGA Tour card come Sunday at s grass at in Q School final let’s let’s speak it into existence uh my I I hate the idea of resolution because I think resolutions mean that you’re going to wind up breaking them just like all the fat asses who go to
The gym for the first month and then leave so I think it’s more so uh just continuing some really good habits really strong habits and uh being just a really good person I think at the end of the day we still live in a world where
Things are are really uneasy so to go into 20 go into 2024 and uh love everybody be respectful you never know who you’re talking to uh and always give back to to what will be your future self I think is a really important thing to take away and 2024 I’m getting married
So this is a uh exciting point in my life I’ll see you and KB at the wedding in December but oh I’m gonna be twerking so hard you have no idea then I can’t wait to to see you on the wall I am going to steal it’s not gonna be about
You and K okay people are they’re gonna look back and they’re not going to think they’re gonna be like yeah you know it was Stephen and Kay’s wedding it was great but that Ben Pio man can he dance and man can he twerk on a wall better
Than anyone ever in the existence of humans better than Nicki Minaj oh I don’t know if you uh I went to want to go see Pitbull a couple years ago and and Iggy iselia was the opener that woman twerked on everything oh my God like I uh so I was
At uh Christa Tino’s house uh a couple this was before I left for before I went to New York for Christmas uh she had me over for some chili and everything and i g i I dropped off a Christmas present and there were a couple people over there and uh a couple
People it was myself and her partner Claudia that was literally it but I somehow we got on the top IC of like twerking and I was like I can twerk if you want and I think that they were like looking at our podcast actually and they
Were like wait like is something in like the title mentioned me twerking or you twerking and I just I twerked for them and Christa and Claudia they lost their minds it they they and then and then she texted me last night she goes in one in
A group chat she goes my New Year’s resolution is to twerk like Ben Ben I can’t K Ben Ben’s very excited to uh to twerk at our wedding did any comments on that no no comments apparently Ben’s like all pro amazing All Pro Twerk Team 2024 like people thought like Antonio Brown could
Twerk please give me a break I got bro I got this thing covered so long as you lead the uh the party when when get Lo’s on and you’re the one guy in the front going to the window wall that’s what dropped down my
Balls oh my God all I all I ask is that you you play just like a classic twerk song and you just give me the dance floor for like twerk twerk twerk give 30 seconds bro give me 30 seconds that’s all all right we we’ll we’ll make it happen we’ll make your all
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