Darren Bent and Andy Goldstein debate if Luke Littler winning the World Darts Champions could become the best sporting achievement of all time.

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There’s no reason I don’t want to add more pressure to him but there’s no reason why he can’t go on and win it which I think would be as a teenager the greatest achievement ever if you win excuse me if you become a world champion

In your chosen sport at 16 that is M line yeah it’s incredible but as I said we we would talk about it earlier and I think there’s so many other Sportsmen out there that have done achieved more even if they’re not as young as him in

The same kind of ballpark that is is more so one of the things that came up in the meeting that and poo pooed it no I didn’t no no I didn’t poooo it I was on the side of it if he wins the world title 16 Y in a sport where it’s just

Him yeah that is that a better achievement than when Pelle won the World Cup of 17 and you said and he scor two in the final and you said yes is and and I said yes and it’s ridiculous no I’ll tell you why right I’ll tell you

Why winning the World Cup yeah is the Pinnacle exactly right for you and I and the majority of sports fans because the majority of sports fans are football fans this is a fact football is the biggest sport in the world come get with it okay but you are in a team game MH

Okay the fact any any teenager that wins a world title in a sport where it’s just them I I personally think that’s a bigger and harder achievement so a golfer a tennis player a snooker player darts player it’s harder to become world champion because it’s just your ability than if

You’re in a team event you can get to a final have an off day in a team and still become a world champion yeah so but my my my thing is is not so much for for prime example eating up a time here jiru won the World

Cup didn’t score a goal as a striker so so you can you can have an off but that’s what the point I’m making no the point I’m making is K won the World Cup at 17 but scored two in the final so he if you look at their run when he became

World champions in the quarterfinals that year in 58 you’re alluding to they beat Wales doesn’t matter one nil doesn’t matter it’s not the World Cup then I’m not taking any way but the World Cup then was nothing like it is now scoring scoring two in a World Cup

Final un being the youngest ever scor in the World Cup final of 17 is a bigger achievement than if he wins the dots yeah but if if for I don’t know the team but if like giner doesn’t thread the through the ball through to Pelle yeah he don’t score that goal so you’re

Relying on other people yeah but also in DS you’re relying on the other guy not to be as good as you no no it’s irrelevant it’s irrelevant how good the other guys is if you’re hitting your doubles no one can beat you either way Pelle at 17 World Cup fin is a bigger

Achievement than that I think I don’t think it is Y Serena was 18 when she won her first US Open TI but not 16 okay but she hold on hold on hold on no let I’m this whole liste 17 World Cup final Serena 18 I tell you why you need to slow down

Right so Pelle say it again 17 team event next one Serena 18 right what does she win US Open right this four majors he’s got one chance to become world champion carry on car doesn’t matter mbapp World Cup final 18 squ 18 16 K still a teenager event still a teenager

Uh Brazilian Ronaldo he was 17 when he’s won his first it don’t m still won the work he didn’t play it most expensive teenager ever didn’t sorry that proves my point most expensive teenager ever that proves my point he didn’t even play in it Simone biles 16 World Champion

Gymnastics that’s that’s down to opinion doesn’t matter people hold up numbers got Phelps yeah 15 world champion broke the world record 200 meter freestyle okay I’ll give you that if if he was 15 15 I’ll give you that are you sure you got that right 15 okay I’ll give you

That fine Boris Becker 17 17 yeah i’ all I say at wi you don’t have 10 and a half thousand people screaming at you me me personally would rather any one of those achievements over winning the darts and by the way he’s not even done it yet

Right no he hasn’t I said if I said if right but going back to what you’re saying ranu Us world yeah unbelievable unbelievable achievement what do you think expect emad Carell or someone winning at 17 in a team event I think the world I think World Cup finals a

Pinnacle to score two in a final but you there must be something in your head that tells you that winning it in a team event is easier than winning it on your own no I still think 17 years old to win to do that na final at 17 is okay what

What’s the hardest sport this hard almost the most difficult sport to play on your own to win golf um let’s just say it’s golf did you say golf on your own probably okay if you win the world cup at 17 or you win The Masters at 17

Yeah what do you think is a better achievement I would probably still say the I’d probably I’d probably go golf so that’s my point no but D darts it’s more difficult to win on your own would you agree with that no Dart and gol are completely different and to score two

Goals in a world cut final at 17 about that that’s I think you’re team event you said take away from Len to me what I’m saying to you on your on your CV you’d rather say on your CV because this is the biger achievement but you’re asking me what I’d rather

Have but I’m a football fan no but I’m asking you would you okay what you think looks better on ACV then right well they played Sweden 16 or or do you want mvg in the final it doesn’t matter what’s what what looks better on a CV 16y old

World darts champion or World Cup winner 17 two goals in the final on Whose CV on a sportsman CV who’s whoever I ask Luke he’d take PDC CH I bet he wouldn’t I bet you Luke liter would swap his world 16y old title for two goals in a World Cup

Final I don’t think he would you’re crazy of course he wouldn’t he’s crazy you’re absolutely nuts if he could become a footballer he probably would and he would if you said to him what would you rather do win the world darts championship at 16 or win a world cut

Final at 17 which you scored two in the final I know for a fact he’s choosing World cut final what’s more difficult so become World CH become world champion on your own or in a team World Cup World Cup to win a World Cup is the most difficult thing because you’re a big

There are people that don’t like football they would go Benny what you talking about no won’t you won’t find you won’t find anyone saying that Luke L winning in the world championship at 16 is a bigger achievement than Pelle than Pelle kle Frampton’s listening to the

Show KL sent me this voice notes have listen to this Khan win an Olympic silver medal at 17 is far better than a kid no disrespect to a kid but a kid winning a Dodge tournament at 16 te mental T is even classified as a sport to be honest but Khan had to

Qualify and then he got into the final against the great and lost a close fight to Mario kin way better achievement right can say first see we love C firstly firstly most importantly our Whiskey’s not turned up yet Carl where’s that by where’s that secondly right Luke

Ller to qualify so both had to qualify one of them is older Amir KH and he lost if luk he got robbed no you lost got silver medal if FL L goes all the way he is a world champion like P world champion two in the final but younger let’s speak to

Dan he’s a f fan hi Dan how you doing boys you all right I’m great I’m very well how are you yeah very well mate Merry Christmas to you both Merry Christmas th this debate has divided the office what’s your view on it Dan I I don’t know is you letting people

Come into the office drunk what’s benty up to here what’s he up to who I’m I’m drunk because I’ll take someone who scored two goals in a World Cup final at 17 you you benty you just said Luke ler would change his world if he gets there

If he wins this tournament he would change his he would give it up to win a World Cup final at 17 are you deluded he has trained so hard to be where he is today and what if he goes on to achieve it it would be the best thing to happen

In sport and that is a guaranteed mate so clearly you’ve been drinking then because that’s not the best thing to happen in sport I’m telling you’re right Pelle scoring the world in the World Cup final two at 17 is it’s bigger achievement in a in a CH football team

Doesn’t matter if it’s a team or not he he individual scored 2 and a final the youngest ever in history of the history of football the youngest ever to score two goals in a final why are you so blind that just football is the only best sport there is mate like this isn’t

It’s the most popular SP on the planet it’s the most popular sport on the planet achievement it is yeah it is but there are other sports available on the network and darts this little kid has gone to Q School to get he’s he’s 16 years all his boy all his mates have

Going out doing what they’re doing he has dedicated himself to darts if he gets up back stage and lifts that trophy at the end of this cament it will be the greatest achievement in sport yeah honestly Dan’s been drinking because that’s that’s the most ridiculous thing

I’ve ever heard in my life is ridiculous he makes a very good point at 16 and even younger all his mates are going out right okay none of them are as dedicated and as focused as him none of them P 17 what’s he doing about P what’s he doing

Same event doesn’t matter does not matter okay if P wouldn’t have scored in that would you still say p but he did you can’t it’s okay but Luke’s not even won the title yet no this is all based on if well I don’t need to if it cuz

Pelle did it you do need to if it I don’t CU B did but your argument is based on if he does as well no mine is based on fact yeah I know but you’re you’re arguing on fact on fact no but you’re arguing on the fact that if he

Does become world champion p is better no but yours is your argument is if mine’s a fact mine but but you’re arguing about my if otherwise there’s no point you yeah really if irrelevant so you’re that’s what the whole show is based on yours irrel my guy did it if

Luke becomes world champion go so you answer the question Richard’s up next hi Richard hi guys how are you I’m good how are you not too bad not too bad um yeah uh uh 17year old winning the World Cup just is is the one sorry with all due

Respect to the 16y old can’t remember his name Kevin ller is that his name Luke I’ve been keeping up sorry Luke ller yeah so I’ve been keeping up if he wins it it’s a big big deal he will obviously put a lot of Spotlight on

Darts uh but it doesn’t stand up to the whole world watching the World Cup final and a 17 or 18y old at mbappe winning it it’s just the Pinnacle of all sports in my opinion okay I didn’t thought about we’re not we’re not talking about how many people watch it we’re just talking

About what’s okay let me ask you this then Richard right what do you think is a more difficult achievement becoming world champion at 16 on your own in the sport or at 17 becoming a world champion in a team event what do you think is more difficult to

Achieve I can’t take away that disres that that that hard work he’s put through I mean it is going to be probably difficult in an individual sport it doesn’t mean that hold on hold on hold on so what what great achievement no no no but what’s the

Answer to that question what’s a more difficult achievement on your own at 16 or in a team event at 17 to say yeah individual at 16 okay so so on that basis would you then say that if he wins at 16 it’s a better achievement than Pelle I’m being biased

No do you know why well Richard as well I agree with you know why would I wouldn’t say it is because with darts right and darts is a great sport you there’s no you there’s no change in the elements so you got to worry about wind

Yeah it’s always the same well it’s not the same is the same temperature in the room is different fact there’s no okay elements don’t play a part in a darts match whatsoever at all it’s always the same football the same you’re right no it’s not the same you’re right football

Conditions play its part his teammates might have been awful they might not have played well might brilant might not have there’s so many different factors when it comes to playing football the crowd you got World Cup and not be a great player I don’t think you can win a

World Cup no no no that’s not my argument win the World Cup I’m asking your question no but you cannot be you cannot be a great player but scoring two in the fin two in the final 17 okay can can you win the world cup and not be a great player um

There’s can you win a world professional darts championship and not be a great player yeah probably there’s probably been a few probably a few Smithy is next up hi Smithy hi yeah hi yeah I just want to say it’s the first time I’ve ever agreed

With you Andy to say that if Luke wins it will be the greatest achievement for a 16 year old because with Pelle D Darren’s writing a away that he 17 scoring two goals for Brazil but what was the final score in that in that game Darren I think think it was was it

42 okay 42 so who scored the other two goals I don’t know about that that couldn’t answer well there you go it’s a team sport for a 16y old if he does win it it’s a lot harder than winning the World Cup with 10 other teammates a it

Really no I see I’m I’m still taking I’m still taking P yeah but that’s a team sport it it was five 52 it was 52 it was 52 yeah V and zigo the other saying he’s darring saying that the other three players that scored for Brazil doesn’t matter or is it just that

Pelle with 17 scored two goals he won the World Cup for Brazil no I’m saying in a World Cup final to score two goals at the age of 17 is incredible and also back then when you think about football back then the tackles the physical Demand on being a footballer at that age

The tackles you can be a to get away with for me that is with darts there’s no it’s you against yourself which I get but the elements in football as I said weather about that it was that’s important that you have to take that into consideration by the way varvar

Also scored two he was 24 well it doesn’t count cuz P was 17 so I’m just telling you 17 years old I’m just saying someone else did it in the final Paul’s up next firstan hi Paul are you okay mate how you doing Merry Christmas you all right yeah I’m fine thanks what

Would you like to say Paul yeah I I have to age Darren Ben because a concerning on Pelle and that young kid because if you look at football football itself probably the biggest sport in the world by far but if you look at darts I mean

Who watches darts is that a sport or game Millions watch it I don’t watch it oh sorry know Paul I’m with you I didn’t have viewing figures I didn’t know viig were based on you but no but that that you got to take that into consideration no you don’t 110,000 Paul have you’ve

Seen any of the darts okay when when I was younger I I watch um John L gist does about 100 years ago but I watching now if you if you compare football to darts football is an absolutely massive sport it’s worldwide yeah and for you to with a

World Cup medal and scoring two goals that’s that’s that’s that’s Pinnacle you can’t you can’t get better than that yeah but argue that I’m asking what’s more difficult is to become world champion on your own or in a team to to be part of the team it’s more

Difficult to be part of a team than win it on your own let’s be honest d right I mean if if you win a world title on your own right is that is that a great achievement I I can’t argue that however like I says

Right you have take you to put in the context that football is a much much greater sport much much more difficult you talk about the physical demands the arm discipline things like sleeping properly eating properly Paul let me ask this who’s a who’s a better player Dean

Rice or Calvin Phillips who’s de rice Calvin Phillips on a treble last season yeah we didn’t play yeah it’s my point is in a team no it’s not that’s not your point because my my point is you can become a world champion in a team my

Point is solely Pelle on his own 17 1A World Cup by scoring two in the biggest game on the planet would would you agree with that yeah the World Cup and also when you look at the pulling the pulling power in terms of what football generate how many people want to be footballers

Compared to how many players want to be darts it’s a lot wider so to get to that level at 17 score two cut final that may be a good point as well yeah very few players get to the top in football but very few dark players become world

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27 Comments

  1. Darts isn’t in a comparable level of physicality to football. A more interesting debate would be something like golf or gymnastics vs football. I’d probably say winning the masters/the open would be more impressive than winning the football World Cup.

  2. It will be a fantastic achievement if Littler can become world champ but let's have it right, I dont think a darts player is ever going to be mentioned in the same breath as a legendary football player. Pele is known by everyone but their will be lots of people who don't even know who Phil Taylor is.

  3. Again – it's andy "what's better?" – goldstein. Who / what greatest ever conversations have people shitting all over perspectives other than their own. It becomes just noise rather than an actual debate. I keep hoping for better

  4. In some ways littlers achievement is tougher but football isn’t big and global that it will always be better.

  5. How many professional football players are there in the world? How many of them ever get a chance to play in the world cup, reach the final, score in the final and win it? Also Pele is playing against the 11 other elite professionals at the time.

  6. Darts is a closed sport- only thing stopping you from lobbing darts at the dart board is you. Maybe a little pressure from crowd and cameras but essentially, you're missing your shots cos of you.
    Football is an open sport with many many factors affecting performance. Also, you could look at it as a 17 year old trying to shine against opposition 11 players and 10 players on his own team – added pressure.
    Pele greater achievement imo

  7. there are kids that are under 13 that are chess world champs so this convo is pointless

  8. martina hingis….16 years won 3 grand slams and got to french open final. case closed.

  9. Pele winning was great but he was on a field of 22 and the only world class player there, this kid is up against fierce competition

  10. To reach the pinnacle of playing for your national team in the world cup final, ahead of the massive amount of competition the hard work and sacrifices it must take to get to that level this isn't even a debate.

  11. Boris Becker won Wimbledon at 17. Sharapova won it at 16, but Littler is English, so he's the greatest of course. Happy now Goldstein?😂😂😂

  12. No the team is harder because you have depend on the other players…. Not just your self

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