Rob Gronowski ppeared on Kay Adams’ show to talk about the Chiefs and specifically calls out & questions Kadarius Toney’s commitment or lack thereof to the game of football. Chiefs sign a new TE & WR; Izaiah Gathings & Anthony Miller.

You to Do Do [Applause] [Applause] Going to do I thought the what you going to Do [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] yeah Do ACU Chief’s Kingdom welcome back welcome back it’s Wednesday Wednesday war room it’s just me for a few minutes Steve gets off at 6 o’clock he should be home any minute he’s going to join me he’s going to jump on we’re going to talk a little Chiefs football with you guys

Tonight so I’m holding down the fort till he arrives welcome I see a lot of uh the usuals in the chat we got Cole we got chiefer Mike Burton Dylan Nikki Gary Taran good to see you guys uh thanks for hanging out with me this Wednesday

Evening uh 6:00 here on the East Coast I guess it’s 5: uh in KC so uh thanks for being here smash that like button we’ll get going if you haven’t Sub sub already and uh let’s get it going uh so the big news today grank grank was uh doing a little

Interview with K Adams and K Adams I guess opens the door they start talking about cadarius Tony grank did not hold back So for anybody that missed any of this I’m going to go ahead and play it for you it’s about 4 40 50 seconds uh if you’re watching later you

Can skip it if you need to uh but for now here we go let’s play this cadarius Tony is an athletic freak the guy can run routes like no other he can he can return punts but when you’re making costly mistakes like that in and out I

Mean from beginning of the season to the uh to middle of the Season throughout your whole career it’s kind of like you just don’t love the game of football you’re just out there because you’re just so athletic that you born with that type of athleticism but you’re not out

There to be the best teammate you can beat or best football player that you can beat because those mistakes that he’s making should have been corrected after the first time if you love the game of football you go back to the locker room you take accountability of

It all you go you go hit the practice field you make sure you look that ball in catch it and tuck it and secure that ball well and that’s what you do if you love football and then you don’t make that mistake again but when you keep

Making mistakes like that you must must not be that much into the game and you must not love the game yeah so he didn’t hold back um coming from a place in which I played the game I do not think grank was meaning that maliciously I do not think grank was

Meaning that in super negative um in a super negative way I don’t believe that because grank kind of is saying what I feel like some of our leaders on the team needed to have said a little bit yeah it’s good to show people some some love but it’s good to have a little

Tough love and I understand what he means by this um I don’t think he’s a lot of people were saying he thinks that because he dropped the ball he don’t love football it’s not as simple as that um I think what he was trying to say was is that cadarius Tony is very

Talented but is he just in the NFL and is he just doing this to make a paycheck and then he’s more worried about this off the field concerns in which a lot of of people in New York said that about cadarius Tony and they were like you

Guys wait uh he wants to be a rapper he wants to do this he wants to do that football’s not on his plate he’s always had that stigma and every time you thought he had got over the process and he was like well no he come to Kansas

City he’s ready to go he’s ready to he’s ready to win he’s ready to do this ready to turn it up a notch he’s kind of taking a step back this year and so I think all grock is trying to say was look this is a game where

You have to give your all every day every day every day you’ve got to get better you got to get better you got to be a good teammate you shouldn’t be making the same mistakes in week one and week 15 you can’t it’s mental mistakes and I don’t think he’s just talking

About the drops per se I know that’s what he listed but look just last week week before his toll goes over the line again I I’m pretty sure he’s signal to the ref I don’t know if he waited to get a answer from The Ref that all happened

So quick but by the way he was off sides so it didn’t matter he’s just having mental mistakes um is he taking care of his body body properly this guy’s had bad injuries the whole time I don’t know I’m not in there I don’t see how he

Handles himself and I don’t know if it’s fair to say cadarius Tony just doesn’t love football but maybe it’s fair to say is cadarius Tony giving his all to the Chiefs is cadarius Tony giving his all to the football career or is he just so gifted and talented that he’s just in

This position because of that as grank was stating but his heart’s just not in it I don’t know that’s for somebody to decide that’s for somebody to decide not me that’s for him to decide that’s for his coaches that’s for management that’s for the players his teammates that’s for

Mahomes to decide I I I feel like something like that could have been said by Patrick Mahomes would he have said it no you’re not going to throw your teammate under the bus like that but if grank says it grank has no affiliation to this team and A lot of people are

Just saying hey gr’s a hater gr’s a this I kind of get where he’s coming from I mean you can’t really say the tak’s wrong wrong um we all love Tony I don’t want people to badmouth anybody on the Chiefs I don’t want that I’ll stick up

For my players I’ll stick up for my team but you can’t you can’t uh you can’t always take advice and I’ll say that I think that was advice I think if cadarius Tony hears that that should fuel him that should be advice that should be something like grank one of the best

Tight ends to ever play the game because the best is still playing for Kansas City right now one of the best tight ends playing the game is telling me look get it together get it together and maybe maybe you just take you know you take some heed you take some warning

From that and you just apply it to yourself and if you want to play football then you got to get better look you need to be working on those hands all day every day be at The Jug machine for six hours a night who knows uh you

Have to do it if you’re not going to do it if you’d rather be doing this doing that doing this doing that it’s whatever but yeah he he prefaced it by saying cadarius Tony was super super talented he runs routes he’s quick he’s Shifty he is cadarius tunnel’s got all the

Potential did I call him cadarius tunnel cadarius Tony has all the potential in the world but it’s almost like he’s not applying it and he’s not a dumb guy he’s smart uh so so it leaves a lot to be desired as in does he want to do it is

This where his heart is um I’ll let everybody decide that let me know in the comments what you guys think uh if you think cadarius actually loves the game he’s just struggling or do you just think maybe his heart’s not in it fully and that’s why he just keeps making

These things I guess we’ll find out in the in the next few weeks in the off season again he was supposed to be wide receiver one coming into this year Brett V the entire team come forward in the off season and bestowed upon him the reigning Super Bowl champs

Gave him the title of wide receiver one to the greatest quarterback in history and nothing a Monumental failure let down this year so it’s like did you take that seriously did you take it I don’t know we’re gonna find out a lot of people are saying is he going to get cut

Blah blah blah Chief signed a new wide receiver today you seen that in the title it’s nobody special it’s nobody special if anybody thinks Anthony Miller is going to come in and be the Savior to the Chiefs you’re crazy I it I don’t see there’s no way this guy last played in

An NFL game in November of 2021 it’s been over 2 years since the guy’s been on the field uh the Chiefs did sign Isaiah gathings I said yesterday that’s going to be the one they sign they won’t sign the other kid they’ll go with gathings he played on the team during the

Preseason but yeah back to back to Miller he played at Memphis he was pretty decent he played with naggie and Chicago he’ done decently um in 2018 they targeted him 54 times he only started uh four games but he played in 15 he was targeted 54 times he had 33

Receptions for 423 yards to seven touchdowns they used them in 2019 52 receptions 656 his touchdown production went down a little bit two touchdowns year three 16 games six games started 76 targets so he went from 54 8576 so he’s still getting a lot of targets 49

Reception so he had a 52 reception season and a 49 re reception season 656 yards and then his third year with Chicago 485 two touchdowns again and then after that he kind of roamed and Roam and roam he went to Houston he went to Pittsburgh um I’m pretty sure that’s the

There’s yeah yeah I don’t think this guy’s going to be anything that’s just groundbreaking um I seen somebody today saying that this cat was going to come in and this was the uh the cadarius Tony replace replacement this was the mvs replacement this guy be lucky to see the

Football field this year and we better hope he don’t let’s say that let’s hope that a guy that’s not played in two years isn’t the guy that’s going to come in and turn it around if that’s if our wide receiver court is that bad we’re in

Trouble let’s hope we don’t get on the field let’s hope it’s just a practice squad guy let’s hope we have some receivers actually step up a little bit let’s hope that Sky gets a wakeup call let’s hope the mvs seen that as a wakeup call let’s hope that cadar Tony seen

That as a wake up call Rashid rice has been on a tear let’s keep him going baby let’s keep Rashid rice going uh let’s let let’s let our boy Richie James get some more snaps some more meaningful snaps and let’s see what he’s got in the

Tank and then of course we need to let Justin Ross the man the myth the legend just see what he can do I don’t think Justin Ross is going to be the Savior everybody thinks he is either espe this year anyway he may develop I don’t want

To say he’s never going to develop in the history of football but I don’t think it’s gonna be Leaps and Bounds big enough to just put us over the hump but that’s where the news is today so grunks calling out cadarius Tony we signed the wide

Receiver we signed the tight end a lot of people are wondering like what is this is Brett V guys everybody’s W Zack hers we don’t sign Zack herds we sign Isaiah gaing we don’t sign a wide we don’t go get Jarvis Landry we’re going to sign a kid that’s not played in two

Years to the practice squad this is what you get it’s it’s what you’re going to get with Brett ve he’s doubled down this is the team that he thinks is good enough to win granted why he didn’t do nothing the off season why he didn’t do nothing at the trade

Deadline he thinks that they’re just they need to come together and they’re good enough to win he may be right we’ll see he may be right we’ll have to wait and see I think if you get us in the playoffs we’re dangerous anytime you got momes on the field you’re

Dangerous but anyways let’s get to to the comments let’s get to the comments um Steve should be here in a little bit I don’t know unless he gets held up at work he should be rolling in at any time if he don’t come in well it’s okay we’re

Gonna have some fun without him that’s all we’re gonna that’s all we’re gonna say we’re just gonna just gonna have some fun without him uh Gary says mike what do you think Justin Ross will do I don’t think Justin Ross is going to come in and get immediately um 30 40

Snaps a game I don’t I think he may come in they’re going to ease him in they’re going to ease him into certain packages even when he was healthy they didn’t use him on the Golan packages a lot which is kind of weird that’s where

His size is uh the jump ball ability but we didn’t see it a lot we really did not see it a lot in the first you know six seven weeks of the Season whatever it was till he was injured didn’t see it a lot I would love to see that uh moving

Forward maybe a few fades in the end zone you know may maybe you know like the one against the Vikings where momad throws it up and he just lets him go get it that’s what I’m hoping for let’s see if we can get Justin Ross I just want to

See what Justin Ross is is Justin Ross good enough like do you see enough to move forward with Justin Ross or not uh that’s all I want to see out Justin Ross I’m not expecting nothing crazy I don’t think anybody should expect nothing crazy out of them I think

A win for Justin Ross here is that Justin Ross just increases his snap counts every week because what that’s showing is that he’s getting it Mahomes is trusting him and he’s trusting him they’re letting him build the same way with Rashi rice you’ve seen him it took

Forever to get those snap counts going and now that he’s getting it he’s getting it so that’s all I really want to that that’s all I want to see out of Justin Ross that that’s it um kiwi what’s up has anyone asked who’s on the practice squad there’s a bunch of

Players on the practice squad uh that’s where Anthony Miller is going that’s where Isaiah gathings is going um I don’t have a current list I can find it really quick if you would like um let’s find it for you I mean we know there’s a lot if I’m not mistaken right

Now gez I don’t even know there’s a lot here we go you put in something on Google and you get the craziest amount of stuff like it’s just absolutely insane uh the practice squad is what they’re showing right now they’re showing Daniel Aras wide receiver 63 216 from

Colorado that’s news I I don’t even remember this guy being added to the practice squad uh Matt Bushman well on Matt Bushman we love Matt Bushman Cole Christensen linebacker they have now added Isaiah gathing uh Tyreek Gillespie the safety from maou you guys probably familiar with him Jason godric the

Offensive tackle Darius Harris the linebacker Keon Ingram we signed him a few weeks ago Truman Jones I like trumman Jones I think he’s somebody that that could maybe develop sort of like a Malik Herring type player not their production not their body type but just a guy that you’re going to put

On the practice squad see they can develop uh you got Chris Ola doen quarterback you got Daren Canard our boy from UK Mike panel they’re still listing them for the practice squad I guess they just move them up and down P Ryan Cornell pal deneric Prince Austin Ryder Keith Taylor corner

Out of Washington and then of course montre Washington wide receiv R of Sanford that also played did some kick returning special teams played with Denver so that’s who they got on the practice squad right now that’s what they got uh Doug what’s up brother he says Big Mike who’s at fault 70% the

Wide receivers and 30% Mahomes and the coaches for this season what your thoughts I don’t know I it’s if you look at it from a purely if you look at this season from a purely standpoint of just an outsider looking in that don’t know anything about the

Chiefs don’t know the ins and outs and you just look at them and you compare them to everybody else you say this team looks middle of the pack to top tier we don’t look like Elite so you’ve got a few Elite teams and we’ve shown flashes we’ we’ve tiptoed we’ve cadarius Tony

Tiptoed into the elite category for a little bit um against the Eagles we played pretty well I thought we should have beat the Eagles we beat ourselves against the bills for the majority of it we struggled but I’ve seen signs of the offense we’ve never played at full

Strength I give the most and and people dog me for this I don’t know what Steve would think I give the most the majority of this to Brett V I’m just going to say it I think Brett V and Reed because Reed too I I know Brett be makes it happen but

Reed kind of decides hey I’ve got enough at wide receiver I don’t can you go find me somebody can you do this can you do that and then but and a lot of people just blame V you know V is cheap he didn’t go do this he didn’t go do that

But I think he listens to it’s all a big revolving everybody throws their ideas in so I’ll say we’ll just put the the coaches and the management together I think that’s where the problem this year has lied because they just missed they missed on the fact that they thought our

Wide receiver core was good enough and I just don’t it didn’t pan out on the field it didn’t um I don’t think they thought Ross was going to be anything special special like instantly but I think they expected decently good things from Richie James especially after the

Preseason I think they they we know they expected cadarius Tony to be a wide receiver one they said that all off season I think they thought mvs was going to step up a little bit this year I even thought mvs was going to step up a little bit this year especially after

The the playoff game against the Bengals last year and then you kind of thought he was going to just you know catch we all thought Scott Moore was going to develop a little bit better this year than he did so that’s where I’ll also put it on the receivers because it

Strictly is the receivers it strictly is the receivers um some of the tackle problems have reared their heads but for the most part the tackles have been decently solid I mean momes is he’s had to venture in and out of the pocket but that’s what Mahomes does sometimes he

Gets a little you know anxious and this and that but I think the majority of it is the the wide receivers not developing and then sometimes the play calling and this and that and not really finding the right spots to put so I think the management but then again the players

Have to get out there and make the plays at the end of the day too so right now I’ll say it’s who I mean I don’t know who to blame I don’t everybody wants somebody to blame but it it’s tough I think it’s just all a team effort and we you win as

A team and you got to lose as it and you got to evaluate it as a team and I think from top to bottom I just think everybody kind of missed the mark this year Mahomes hasn’t looked himself this year but from time to time he has and is that

Because they didn’t put the players on the field for him is that because they didn’t put the players in the right positions on the field for him possibly so see it’s just a carousel it’s a revolving door of who’s at fault and it’s a blame game and I don’t know I

Don’t I’m I think you have to look at is hey as bad as we look this year to a normal to a normal fan base they would still kill to have a team right now that’s won the same amount of games we are they would kill to have a team

That’s just locked up the eighth division ninth division in a row something like that they would they would kill to have a team that if you put us in the playoffs you’ve got a chance like you’ve got more than a chance to make a little run so I think

In a sense we get a little too caught up in it but I’m also under the camp of I don’t want to be like hey we won a few let’s go back to the days where we struggled and just be happy go lucky we

Won a little bit I’m not that guy I want to keep continuing to build so a lot of the stuff comes off as negative people say that all the time it’s not negative it’s just me wanting to grow and grow and grow and hold people accountable and

I wouldn’t ask these people to be held accountable I didn’t knew they could do it like we see how this team can perform but they don’t tend to do it on a week toe basis and then that’s when it falls on the players and the coaches

So that’s what I’ll say thanks for the question Doug it’s good to see you brother um Nick what’s up man he says listen when I when I wait okay sorry there was so many listens there in the first word I thought Andy Reed came through so I’m

Going to try this again he first he listened just like Andy Reed so he says listen when I listen to this podcast my wife gives me what is this Nick what are you doing what are you doing I hope that’s not even I hope that’s not even um a joke at this point

I really don’t I just hope this guy’s just happy uh Lynn do you think the Chiefs will throw more to CH since he made that great catch last Sunday he appears to have better hands than our wide receivers he’s got decent hands I mean that’s what they wanted Claud for that

Was Clyde when he come out it was Clyde can catch the ball of the Back Field Clyde could do this he could do that that’s what Patrick liked about him I don’t think they’re just going to line them up at wide receiver and let him go they may run packages where he splits

Out wide he goes to the slot this and that but I don’t know will they throw more to him I don’t know how many targets he had last game what do he have three four targets maybe maybe five somewhere around that if they were smart what they

Would do is they would continue to have a little bit of designed you know screen game setup for Clyde maybe sneak him out in the slot see if you can get them on a linebacker but that’s the thing about Clyde too he’s got pretty good hands But

Clyde also don’t have that burst and that quickness to separate necessarily either so if you put him out wide I mean he may outrun a linebacker he’s not outrunning most Corners he’s not outrunning most safeties to be honest Clyde barely could look I’ve seen times where Clyde doesn’t look like he

Could outrun Creed Humphrey so I don’t know and that’s not a knock on Clyde it’s just Clyde’s not that guy like he’s not Alvin Kamar you can’t just throw him out there let him go so I think it’s a pipe dream if we think that he’s just

Going to be like this gamebreaking guy but to answer your question they may throw to him more I don’t know they may um Roy what’s up Roy he says what about Jerick in the slot for a few snaps that could be a possibility I mean you could

See that I don’t I don’t think we’re going to change anything like to do all this kind of stuff I think you have to completely have given up on your wide receivers at that point and they’re running backs for a reason they don’t run the route tree crisp they don’t

They’re not you know they’re not Elite Speed getting in and out of breakes they’re not deceptive route Runners I don’t see us changing our entire offense to put a bunch of running backs out there wide like I this has been a narrative kind of put and this is so

Weird this is what happens because you’ll get some of the talking heads and the The prominent Chief people and they’ll start throwing stuff out there and then like everybody kind of gets it in their head that hey this might be the way to go and then everybody repeats it

And then by the time gets to me or something I’m like this is crazy like could that happen yeah possibly but I I don’t want a team okay I don’t want three weeks till the playoffs to me have to start relying on running backs to be

My pass catchers I don’t want to have to start relying on Anthony Miller a guy that’s not played in two years to be the Saving Grace or Justin Ross who’s literally played about six games in the NFL and with six games probably less than 50 snaps total it’s crazy I just

Can’t do it um Chris rright what’s up Chris what’s up brother he says isn’t that Hardman guy back this week you know I don’t I can’t keep up with MCO Hardman I can’t I don’t know when he’s injured when he’s not even when he’s not injured he says he’s injured and when

He’s injured he says he’s not injured he said he’s never had a history of injuries that’s what he said all off season and then we make a trade for him and then he’s right back on the IR can’t keep up obviously I could care less too

MCO Hardman is um good in small doses MCO Hardman is maybe a Red Zone threat but other than that MCO hardman’s not I don’t even know why they traded for him let’s let’s be honest I don’t know but uh yeah thanks for being here guys thanks for being here I’ll uh look

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Talk had to take a little break had to take a little break let’s see who do we got up here let’s find us another question Amira what’s up she says you think we can get the number one seed there’s a lot of things have to happen for us to get that number one

Seed off the top of my head I can’t remember it it’s something like the Dolphins have to lose one the Chiefs have to win out and the Ravens have to lose two out of three is that how it works something like that is it is it possible yes is it likely

No I I don’t know if it’s likely I really don’t um the Ravens have been playing well they play just they play a style of ball that’s it’s a style of ball that should be fit for this time of year you know you go outdoors I think I don’t know if

They go to Pittsburgh or what but anyways it’s designed it’s a ground and pound uh they don’t don’t take a lot of chances they got a good defense they run the ball it it it’s designed you would think it would be designed to do well in the playoffs as well even though they

Routinely choke but I will say I don’t think that um I don’t think that the Ravens are anything that are super super scary out of one seed we’ll put it that way do I think they match up well with us the way we’re going this year it

Looks like they could match up well with us because um our we’re defensive Orient team and they you know they they can ground and pound which means it limits our chances on offense keeps M homes off the field and we’re not a quick strike offense anymore we don’t put up a lot of

Points anymore it becomes very um strategic and and Andy doesn’t do well at those games that’s why we struggle so much against the AFC South be it the Titans or I think the Jaguars were we do pretty well with the Jaguars but they kind of you know they’ve got that more

West Coast style but all the other teams the Colts they play that grind you know the ground and pound and all that crap and just play defense try to keep clock management going so yeah I don’t know if I’m super scared of them but we they do

Match up well probably with us this year uh the Dolphins they haven’t really shown they can beat anybody but do I think we can get the number one seed it’s possible not likely I would say we probably fall some I’m going to say probably two seed is where we end

Up too bad we don’t get the uh too bad you don’t get a buy for the two seed anymore or do you no you don’t get to buy for the two seed man you used to I think back in the day I’m so old I can remember back in

The playoffs man wild times wild times of course we never really made the playoffs much we did in the 90s we did you know we’d make the playoffs or we’d make the playoffs under dick verm and then we’d get to the we get to the playoffs and just completely uh screw

The pooch every time that’s what happens uh what’s up Taran Taran says we need to adjust our pass game strategy not one player that’s true too we need to use um N More throw short more and limit the rotation Noah Noah gray I got you and limit the rotation let the best guys

Play um yeah I think uh using Noah greymore would be great I do think gry is something they need to start maybe featuring a little bit more down the stretch I I like the uh I like the 12 and 13 formations and things so yeah that that’s a good idea

But but you’re right I think a lot of it is they some of our receivers just don’t they play out of position I’m telling you Sky doesn’t play in the right position he doesn’t play in the right well it’s not that he don’t play in the

Right position cuz he will play the slot a lot he just don’t run the route tree doesn’t fit him or something something about it it’s weird weird but uh almost all of them down through the list don’t play well and again this Anthony Miller guy is another slot receiver like how

Many more slot receivers can we possibly get on this team Samuel says I see a lot of the same stuff offensively from week to week almost as if we’re stuck and can’t generate new plays are you seeing the same thing you see the same stuff

Out of Andy Reed from year to year it’s just the I mean it’s pretty close to the same if you remember back with Alex Smith the Reon we okay so the reason the Chiefs took a step forward with Patrick Mahomes not I mean he’s got immense Talent don’t get me wrong like he’s

Generational but he took Andy Reid and he took the uh we’ll call it a West Coast style he took that style and he was Patrick transformed a little bit like he could get out of the pocket he was mobile and once he was out of the pocket he was dangerous uh he didn’t

Care to throw the Deep ball he didn’t care to be a Brett Favre Gunner on the outside and I think that’s what transformed the offense to what we were used to and accustomed to and now all the weapons have kind of dwindled and now I feel like we we’re falling back towards a

More traditional West Coast dinking and dunking kind of stuff the big plays just aren’t coming and I don’t know if it’s the coaches calling it that way because we don’t have the players or it’s just the players not actually being in the right spots not doing the right things I guess one of

The two but yeah it does look like we we kind of we look very vanilla it just constantly we always look vanilla like we look like we’re playing in week two of the preseason every single offensive possession just about I’ll say one of the best possessions that we’ve done all

Year long off the top of my head was what was it three four weeks ago I don’t remember who we were playing and we may have even lost the game but if I’m not mistaken yeah we did lose the game I don’t remember who it was but we come

Out in the second half and that was the best offensive Drive I’ve seen us run it was pass pass pass they used Travis Kelce they used Noah gray they used um they used Sky Moore properly they they put him on the outside through a little bubble screen to let him get up the

Field they used Rashid rice it looked good they ran the ball with Pacho it was an even amount of run pass it looked beautiful and I don’t even remember if we went on to win the game I think Andy kind of bailed out on it I don’t remember if that was Green

Bay or the one before it but I tell you we’ve had flashes but they just can’t keep it together uh Lewis says the Ravens ain’t dropping two games I don’t think it’s likely I don’t think it’s likely they Dro two games I don’t uh Casey fan says yo Mike who do

We sign up wide receiv c r been out of the loop Anthony Miller uh he played for Memphis he played for Memphis uh he played in Chicago for 3 years he’s 511 199 he’s 29 years old he hasn’t played in two years he’s

Not I bet he don’t take a snap and if he does we’re probably in trouble if he needs to I mean it is what it is I don’t like people think I actually seen people posting this on Facebook today they’re like who who is Anthony Miller replacing nobody

Man they sign Isaiah gathings I think he’s going to be here to replace uh Travis Kelce next year what are you talking about like he even if Kelsey does retire there’s no replacing Travis Kelce there’s a um a fill in until you find somebody but yeah there’s no replacing

And if Kelsey don’t retire you’re not even if he did Isaiah gathings isn’t the guy it would be Noah gray people are crazy in the streets out here people have gone nuts in the streets it’s wild it’s wild times but I appreciate you guys being

Here let’s see how many likes we got on the stream today ladies and gents we’re up to 258 appreciate all you guys being here we’re at 119 likes if you don’t care hit that like button for me let’s bump it up let’s get to like 125 150

Let’s go hit that sub button too we’re closing in on 19k so fast some guy yesterday said that uh we were um bad sports analyst I’m not an analyst bro I’m not an analyst I’m not a news anchor I’m not a pundit I mean I guess technically you could say it was a

Pundit I’m just a guy that talks Chiefs football I don’t claim to be nothing else I’m a guy that talks Chiefs football I’m a Chiefs fan I talk two chiefs fans we talk Chiefs football I give you my unique perspective on things I’ve played the game I’ve not played

Professionally that’s it that’s it and um 19,000 Subs so if you don’t like it start your own start your own see what happens um yeah look C de Roose is this a burner this is totally a burner is there cold the Roose burner out here even though he

Isn’t good doing good I still believe in cadarius Tony Co burner here’s what I’d love to see out cadarius Tony this exact what I would love to see all this ignite a fire in him flips the switch he gives us every bit of the effort he’s got for the rest of the

Year we make a nice playoff run we win the Super Bowl and then cadarius Tony something switches in his head flips and he says I can be great at this I can be great at this if I’ll just assert myself and and and take this seriously and then boom it clicks in the

Off season and this is his number one priority and he works on his hands and he gets that mental game going and he learns this and he comes back next year and he just goes ape because it’s a contract year I think unless we can put

The fifth year option on him which he was a first round pick I just don’t know if you’re allowed to once he’s been traded that’s a question for another day I have to look that up but yeah I do uh I do uh I hope that’s what he does I

Hope he has a good year I I hope he figures it out not a good year I hope he has a good rest of the year and just gets back mentally if he can’t get back mentally he’s gone uh I’ve seen people saying sports psychologist this and that

It’s true I mean they probably got one in house but at some point A lot of people are proud they won’t even do it I mean it is what it is what’s up Chief Kelsey he said Chiefs never said Tony was wide receiver one they said wide

Receiver by committee as they all have different skill sets I believe James Palmer said Tony wide receiv one but Chiefs did not media podcast all just ran with it uh I don’t I don’t know if it was James Palmer that said I don’t I I honestly don’t know but here’s what I do

Know if he wasn’t wide receiver one who was so you’re saying that they said that they’re just we don’t have a wide receiver one we’re just a committee that’s a horrible strategy as we’ve seen um that’s a Miss by Brett v as we’ve seen and maybe next year they’ll find a

Wide receiver one so yeah so if all that’s true and I’m not saying it’s not be better because you definitely need a wide receiver one wouldn’t it be great if Mahomes had a wide receiver one it’d be so fantastic if we had maybe a Tyreek hou wouldn’t that have been great

Um I know he didn’t need a last year but we had gu guu and JuJu was pretty close to a wide receiver one he had a thousand yard season Mahomes trusted him he made big plays when he needed to even when he was injured he played through the

Injuries I think he missed one or two games but he played through some of the pivotal games he was a rock for that team he’s the one that Drew the flag in the Super Bowl for running a nice little route uh mvs isn’t going to do it he’s never

Going to be a wide receiver one in this league cadarius Tony I don’t think he’s got all the intangibles but I don’t him doing it now Rashid rice is a wide receiver one in my opinion I think he could get to a wide receiver one I think rash rice

Could get there which is why a lot of people say well we need to maybe draft a wide receiver this year in the first round I still don’t think they will because I still think now they think wi you know rasid rice we hit that so maybe

He’s wide receiver one so I still don’t see them W wasting draft Capital that early but it is what it is we’ll see I I feel like the whole um by committee thing that might work with running backs and to be honest it’s not even great about

With running backs either it’s not we’ve seen PCO this year pretty much take the Reigns as the number one even with his running style he runs so hard like you knew he’s going to get injured and stuff but Pacho getting the majority of the carries is the way to go

I think um if Pacho was getting nine carries and jerck mckinon was getting four and Clyde was getting four or five and maybe they had a fourth one on the roster and he was getting four or five I don’t feel like anybody can develop Rhythm like that I don’t like it uh I

Wish they would just I I wish the Chiefs and general would change their philosophy on wide receivers and they’re strictly not going to they’re always just going to try to find the 511 guys that runs the 44 to 45 and just slot slot slot slot slot receivers and you got to play every

Position though so you’re a slot receiver it’s only 4 foot 10 but you you got to go on on the outside and you got to stretch the field and win the Deep ball it it’s outdated in my opinion it’s it’s not changing with the times um the NFC they struggle because

They don’t have a lot of franchise quarterbacks in the NFC they never will go do it where AFC teams make them priorities they’ll draft them in the first round you’ll see burrow you seen momes you see Justin Herbert you see Tua they they will pick players early

For qub backs and even with Jaylen Herz he wasn’t a first round pick they just got lucky with it and I mean over the past few weeks he’s looked like a not even a second round pick this kid looks like he should be playing in the

CFL but that’s the way it is so you got to change mentality so until they change mentality this is a quarterback driven League this is an offensive driven League we all know it the big wide receiver is the thing besides Tyreek I get it he’s he’s kind

Of that unicorn but you can have wide receiver one Tyreek potential if you’re Tyreek I get it but I do believe Mahomes just needs that number one Target that is very very reliable like you don’t have to be 6 foot5 like don’t get me wrong you can be Tyreek

Size maybe even Jaylen W I don’t know if he could ever develop into a wide receiver one per se but like AJ Brown come on that’s your your stereotypical guy even maybe a DK metf which actually DK I’ll say DK’s kind of polarizing some people don’t think he’s very good some

People think he’s great who knows but yeah I just kind of wish they would change with the times a little bit and kind of go to more just bigger guys maybe a little bit and they’ve had a horrible track record with those I mean they tried Josh Gordon they’ve tried Kelvin

Benjamin good Lord look at even John Ball when he was a bigger guy I believe but yeah I don’t know I just don’t think they’re going to do it under Andy they’re not going to do it they they they like what they like it is what it

Is I I wish they had changed but they’re probably not going to uh let’s get down here let’s ask let’s answer some more questions that’s the wrong one and it jumped every time and it makes me look stupid because I’m always showing you nightbot but I tell you what Doug says

Man since the wide receiver coach Greg Lewis left we have missed him a lot yeah I mean even even under Greg Lewis I don’t think Demarcus Robinson developed very well I thought he kind of stayed mid uh Byron Pringle was okay he had derer all that time derer never

Really developed into anything much of course derer wasn’t like a huge physical trait kind of guy either I don’t know I don’t I don’t give Greg Lewis all the credit for developing Tyre Hill into the guy he is I think a lot of it is physical talent and I mean and

Willingness to work that’s one thing about Tyreek Hill he takes football seriously for the most part he’ll put the work in and he wants to be good at it and I think that’s kind of what grank was getting at today like does cadarius Tony want to be good at

It we’ll find out um Andrew says trade up from Marvin Harrison he is the new Tyreek Hill coming up it would take every pick we have and five next year to get up that high and it’s they they’re not going to do it I wouldn’t be

Surprised if let me go look I want to find I’m gonna find Marvin Harrison he’s a good run or running back he’s a good uh wide receiver but D on it look at me but the thing about Marvin Harrison Jr is and I’m about to find out if my

Dag on computer would type properly or maybe that’s me and my fingers I want to see how big he is he’s 6’4 man we ain’t gonna take him we won’t take nobody over six foot tall like we had one person they were going to draft in the first round this year and it

Wasn’t Quinton Johnston it was probably going to be Z flowers because he’s the slot guy I just don’t ever see the Chiefs draft in 6’4 uh rasid rice I thought I think rasid rice is 61 that’s what they got him listed as 6 foot 61 to be honest I didn’t I thought he

Was going to be too big for the Chiefs but that also shows that hey you can be that big and if you can maneuver and you’ve got the skill you can be valuable within this offense you just don’t have to be five foot 10 180 lbs so I wish

They would do something but yeah they’re not going to I don’t see them going up uh and getting him Brenda how are you how are you um let me see what we got predator predator King 300C what’s up man did anybody think about how they actually

Use Tony as a running back because he works pretty good out of the back field and any of those pieces or places they that they are using for me and Steve actually had um talked about using cadarius Tony as a running back I don’t know if anybody will

Remember I don’t know if anybody will admit because they don’t like to admit things that we say do come to fruition but I’m pretty sure Steve actually said that during the Bills game he would have liked to have seen them using cadarius Tony more from the running back position

And they did they used him a few times and then that’s when he then he toed the line out that the wide receiver so yeah it’s something they’ve done and look we actually said Sky Moore would have been pretty good at that and they did that with Sky Moore back uh back at

Camp this year maybe even a little bit his rookie season they may have had him in for a snap or two at running back throughout the season maybe more than that but I know he never touched it but yeah I mean we’ve talked about it

I think that would maybe be a way to get the ball in his hands without him actually having to catch the ball that’d be that’d be amazing maybe if you could give him three or four carries a game and then maybe you could leak him out of

The back field and get a couple screens you know maybe that a little bit there something to get as confidence going I think cadarius Tony is all confidence I think if he feels um if he feels confident if he feels as though he he’s in a moment that is a big

Moment and he wants to make the play not just saying he’s egotistical but I think that most most people the ego kind of takes over a little bit and you’re like I’m going to make this play and then it’s just about making the play and I think we’ve seen that in the Super

Bowl on the punt return we’ve seen it a few times I I think it’s a lot of confidence I think it’s confidence uh Chris right says Marvin Harrison Jr’s a top five pick yeah he’s going to be he’s going to be way too high we’re not going to be able to grab him

That’s that’s the biggest pipe dream that’s going to be the pipe dream all off season for Chief’s Kingdom we’re gonna have to hear this all off season what do you guys think about Marvin Harrison Jr love him you ain’t gonna get him like I don’t even no I have no idea

What Brett V is going to consider our number one priority and I bet you it’s not wide receiver and that’s going to explode people’s heads but I guarantee it’s not wide receiver and even if it was wide receiver he’d probably take one that nobody wanted and or liked that’s

Just what Brett Beach tends to do so yeah I think he may go to the he may go to the free agency pull for the wide receiver maybe I think he’s got to get the right guy at the right price and some of the guys that we think are the right guy be

It Mike Evans be it Michael Pitman I don’t know if Brett Vach sees that as the right guy I don’t know if Andy Reid wants him I don’t know if he they fit the mold to what they want so yeah we’re all going to be waiting

Around in March you know hoping to hear about Mike Evans signing over here and I’m telling you we’re all probably gonna be very very disappointed when that happens Doug says I know it’s way early but can’t wait for the ACU draft evaluation for 2024 yeah um it feels like this year I

May have to get into it earlier than usual uh and I hope the Chiefs prove me wrong I hope we run it all all the way out to the Super Bowl and we win that bad boy but usually when the Chiefs are eliminated be it if they don’t make

Playoff contention which they’re making the playoffs so about the week they lose at any point and it’s the last football game of the year within two to three weeks I’m now Dove right back into the draft and so they will dictate when I start doing my draft stuff so it could be

Hopefully the 1 of March and hopefully it’s not the 1 of February let’s put it that way but I’m curious I’m curious to see some of these players there’s a lot of big names that I want to go back and evaluate a little bit I thought I was pretty close last year I

Don’t I don’t have it over here I thought I was pretty close on the um the Rashid rice evaluation last year um I said that he had a lot of hand like a lot of drop issues that that was my one thing and to be honest that’s about the

Only knock there is on rasid Rice so far this year is he does have a lot of drops he’s got like eight or nine but they’ve not been the most egregious drops at the worst times and he’s also had so much production that it’s made up for those drops when he

Gets the chance so but that was his one knock I think that and then I said he didn’t run an extensive route tree so it take him a little a little bit more time than you would think for a round one and round two wide receiver to start getting

Into the mix and sure enough I thought by weeks four five and six he looked like he could do it the coaching staff apparently didn’t think so but by about week 10 they have thought so and now he’s starting to get up so the hands and the

Uh what in the world the hands and the uh and the the routes you know what’s up Steve what’s up man where you can you hear me okay yeah I can hear you what are you doing I just got home just got home just hanging out on your phone yeah

I jumped on here before you jumped off so I uh started in the car oh what’s going what going on what’s going on we were just talking about stuff I was answering questions um the big news today was grank calling out cadarius Tony do you have any thoughts on that

Did you get to see it I did I got to see the clip for just a second and I don’t know I have mixed feelings about it I kind of see where gr’s coming from by what he’s saying uh but at the same time I think it’s unfair

To uh kind of assume that about cadarius Tony I mean he could just be going through some kind of have The Yips you know how getting golf or whatever he’s probably just overthinking himself right now um I think Tony’s got to quit thinking about it so much and just get

Back to the basics but I I see what gronowski is saying but I just don’t know if that’s fair to cadarius or not right but it’s fair to question cadarius Tony because he was getting these same questions by the fans in New York maybe even the coaching staff that’s why they

Got rid of him right and I think that’s where grank was coming from I don’t really think he was doing it like super maliciously though do you I was I was hoping it was a wakeup call yeah I I would take it as that I don’t think grank would be just trying

To start crap with Tony for no reason um and like I said I I see where gr’s coming from with it because I mean if you’re continuously messing up the same little things over and over again it kind of looks like you’re not working on your craft or you don’t really care that

Much so so I see what he’s saying uh so maybe it’s a wakeup call for Tony to like I said I I think it’s more like he has The Yips or something man like a golfer that just can’t get it together or maybe a basketball player just a

Little off on their shot and they’re thinking about it too much I think the same thing that’s going on with cadarius Tony right now right yeah I think so too I think cadarius is it’s it’s lot of you know just him being in his head um the

Other thing that was making the news today man was uh we signed I guess Isaiah gathings to the practice squad but they also signed wide receiver Anthony Miller do you remember him I do um if I’m not mistaken I think it was a second round or third round pick he play

For the Bears yeah he played for the Bears yeah um short fast slot guy right yeah same old for the Bears and he’s also I think he played with Houston for a little while as well Houston and Pittsburgh I wonder if this has something to do with naggie because I

Think he was with him in Chicago yeah naggie used him a little bit so yeah maybe maybe uh maybe it was some familiarity there and maybe somebody he thought could contribute uh with Sky Mo going on the IR for whatever reason uh Justin Ross we still don’t know exactly

How that’s going to play out yet I I think it’s just a depth thing yeah but I don’t think do you think he’s gonna even do anything like do you think he’s even gonna get snaps I would not expect it at first no but I think if they have to get to that

They will because I mean obviously what they’ve been doing hasn’t been working for how many other weeks so they’re kind of hitting a reset button here with skott going out Justin Ross coming back in maybe this is where you see mvs snaps dwindle completely and they start using Rashi rice and trying

To work Ross in and if they have to get to the point to uh putting Miller in there I don’t see why they wouldn’t dude he hasn’t played a game since November of 2021 yeah see that makes me think that it’s a long shot for sure I think it’s a

Very long shot and like I was saying earlier if we have to get to that point I think we’re worse shaped than we thought we were yeah I think so too but you know I think we’ll be okay um I just hope that they do limit mvs snaps because I feel like

It’s it’s just not beneficial to the team at this point um might as well get other guys in there and see what we can do and what we can get together right here at the playoff run you know yeah I’m ready for uh I kind of I’m ready to see more

Of said it time and time again I’m ready to see some of the three Ys going I think Ross rice and Richie James I think that’s where the majority of my Snaps go for a few weeks and let’s see what we got and of course you still got Justin

Watson there you’re going to sprinkle a lot of Justin Watson in but nvs the snaps have been dwindling I I don’t remember the exact snap count this week but pretty sure he was under 25 so what see that what are you doing can you see it can you read it I do it

Says Merry Christmas you filthy animal there you go merry Christmas everybody uh yeah I just want to hop on before you got off uh instead of doing a whole solo thing I had to crash it you know oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you can’t always be

Having all the fun while I’m at work I hear you I hear you I told him you’re at work I told him uh you might come back on you caught me right here at the last little bit but yeah I think I’m about to

Bail out too I got to go to work now like we trade out see this is what we talk about Steve to work and then as soon as he gets home I have to bail and then we’re like this is getting ridiculous like this has been like this

Now for what months we can’t get on the same schedule man it’s it’s insane but yeah man I guess that’s going to wrap it up I appreciate you guys being here with us uh hit that like button on the way out be sure to hit that sub button we’re

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Be sure to follow us on all the social medias everything and we’ll catch you guys next time thanks for hanging with me today by the way Steve good to see you for like five minutes I know right I I barely made it I near made I was

Clutch I was clutch you come in clutch go Che My go

48 Comments

  1. KT will be figuring something else out with another team real quick if he can’t get his act together. Consistently failing at something every week or injured. Mahomes has lost it with KT. If he is caught throwing games the fans will want his head. Lately he is looking mentally incompetent.

  2. Maybe he is focusing too much on football and he is over thinking things, making nervis errors.

  3. Miller signing sounds like another John Ross signing. FYI Ross decided not to retire so he is available(keep it that way).

  4. 13:00……I like Justyn Ross but I read on about 3-4 sites that he ran a 4.7;@ the combine and 4.69 at his pro day. He is going have to run perfect routes against man coverage and read zone coverage with that type of speed.

  5. @Mike, J Ross does not have to be a savior. This is exhausting to hear fans keep saying this. Can he catch the ball, secure it, move the ball up the field, and maybe get 1 or 2 touchdowns before the season ends? Good.
    He has had no practice time for 7 weeks. No one can expect too much. He needs time to play and get into game shape.

    He must be better than S Moore who is treading water and MVS who is doing cardio to make it to the bank to collect his bags of money.

    Why does J Ross have to be judged so harshly when he has had no snaps yet.

  6. Mike also B Veach said J Ross would have a slower development before the season started. If he had not missed 7 weeks he would have had more of a role now. He will probably have a few limited snaps now to see what he can do. They need to take advantage of his size.
    Other fans have said it, use him kind of like they use Tee Higgins, they are similar.

  7. Gronk is just speaking facts. Toney is so talented. He has elite level talent but he hotdogs everything.

  8. Anyone who thinks Toney was going to be a #1 WR needs a mental evaluation. I agree with Gronk 100% Toney doesn't have it, its time to say goodbye.

  9. Trade Chris Jones next season and spend that money on 2 elite Receivers. Eagles WR is taking 8.5 million while our butterfinger MVS is raking around 11. That's ridiculous. Chris Jones needs money over rings. He already got 2 rings and he openly said it's just business and if he wants to part ways with Chiefs, he will have respect for Chiefs. That's a big indicator that he will go to Miami next season. He even was talking to Tyreek after the game. Won't be surprised if he is asking his help to land in Miami(where he was in pre season, not sure if thats where he is based.)

  10. Told you Chiefs fans about Toney when the Giants traded him he was a dog. But you thought you were stealing him from us. Lol. Its beyond the drops. He gets 2 catches and 25 yards a game.

  11. In all my years of being a fan of the game. In the past I have heard of sports psychologists working with players in all sports. Toney should consider something like that or kick rocks. GO CHIEFS!!

  12. Listen first of all I think you and your brother have the tightest podcast out right now because you give it right to the people like it's supposed to be and I'm cheering that y'all get bigger and bigger now all two Kadarius Tony he is an athletic freak but like Gronkowski said you have to work at this craft every day you have to bleed Blood Sweat and Tears then you playing with the greatest quarterback that's in the NFL since Tom Brady you have to take advantage of that as a fan I like him but as a fan I don't like him because he calls so much disruption but I'm going to give it to you guys you and your brother y'all tell it just like it is y'all keep the people up to date on everything that's going on and you tell the truth just like it is my favorite podcast

  13. Mike also I think it's time for upper management to have a sit down with Brett Veach because I know we had some salary cap problems which is true but Patrick Mahomes made his contract Team friendly so he should have made a move no matter what the case here to get a receiver that won't drop the ball so I feel like he dropped the ball he might need to be replaced tell me your thoughts real talk

  14. I am late on this, as I didn't pay attention to what Gronk said because people labeled it as him talking crap on X/Twitter and I simply don't care about what most players say when it comes to KC. Now that I have actually heard what he said, I agree with him. Toney just seems like he doesn't care. I like his potential, and I had much larger hopes at the beginning of the year than I do now. But Gronk is correct. If he really cared, if he really wanted to be better, he would fix the issues. He wouldn't just shrug his shoulders and keep making the same mistakes. He knows better, he's not stupid, so the only explanations are 1: he simply sucks and getting into the NFL/collage teams was simply a crazy fluke that he's been able to pull off for years. Or 2: he simply doesn't care to fix the issues. Every issue he's had so far, is fixable, imo.

  15. Gronk is 1000% spot on, KT is an athletic freak but he doesnt love football, if his laughable rap career took off, he would leave the field in a heartbeat.

  16. See what I mean they go get Anthony Miller but pass on Dhop, etc😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, great as the Chiefs are, they do some dumb things sometimes.

  17. FUCK GRONK! I’m so sick of ex patriots player thinking they can just spew their opinions on everything football like they’re the oracle or something. They act like they weren’t the ones cheating for two decades. Even eddleman forgets he was using PEDs when he’s in front of the camera acting like a drunk Ben stiller

  18. like Rob can voices his opinions on the situation now he’s not wrong that Toney has not looked like he cares about football but the thing is Rob does not know Kadarius like that to say that he doesn’t like football and he responded on Instagram about the post on cheese account saying like this dude talks like as if he knows it that I don’t love for football or something like that I think his role in the offense might need to change to bring back his confidence to bring back his style that we saw last year who Kadarius is not gonna just let someone that he doesn’t know personally say he does not love the sport

  19. Kadarius Toney was the most reliable college receiver coming out of the 2021 draft class as far as catch percentage. There is something mental going on.

  20. You're right Steve, some of our players have some form of the yips. Something mental. I wonder how much pressure is on them being Patrick Mahomes receivers? Maybe more than we think.

  21. Tyreek's last year he had 4 tipped, bobbled passes picked off. The difference is he had 100 more targets to make up fore it. Im not comparing the two but this stupid ass rotation is hurting the wr corps

  22. (((WOW)))

    What a fantastic introspective statement, a real bell ringer. What's Nick Wright always dripping of?

    -Anywho, that statement polished the lens Bro.

    9:46

    Toney was bestowed with the honorable title of wide receiver #1 by the reigning Super Bowel Champions. Paired with one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. (HOLY NIGHT) -think about that……. The most incredible opportunity and he drops the Ball.

    That hit the nail on the head Mike, sooo disheartening.

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