How players from LIV Golf might get back on the PGA Tour.
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If you are correct, golf will be over…. meaning, all big stars go to LIV….PGA events will be so boring and I'll never watch professional golf again. LIV team events is stupid imo
The format will have to be adjusted to allow some semblance of competition and world ranking structure, I believe LIV goes away, the team concept would throw a wrench into everything that has defined tournament golf. You cannot have these stupid teams since there is no continuity if players are going to be floating all over the place on any given week. I mean, we have all fallen for the rangegoat herders but can they survive in the mean old world amongst the techno geeks…
There are only, I believe 48 spots available on liv. Due to the shotgun tee times. Will LIV be the elevated showcase international event tour?
LIV is only going to grow
The model is working and expanding.
First and foremost this is NOT a merger. It's a partnership into a new new league and everything you're saying is absolute PURE SPECULATION. Additionally, PGA and DPWT players already play both tours, adding in LIV wouldn't be that difficult.
No one talks about how with limited players playing designated event on the new PGA tour that the Korn Ferry tour should become a much bigger tour. Why? Less players playing events on the PGA tour and where are those players going to play? These might even be former major winners on the PGA tour that don't qualify for designated PGA events. I say, make the Korn Ferry tour bigger with more money and then 2-3 times during the golf season tour swap the best of the Korn Ferry tour players with the worst of the PGA tour. A PGA tour player playing poorly might get relegated down to the Korn Ferry Tour. But then that same player might move back up the the PGA tour during the season at the next designated time slot. At the same time a top Korn Ferry golfers wins a slot during the PGA season but will only keep that slot as long as he plays well. It's like Major League and Minor League baseball! What do you think?
The best will go to LIV, if you doubt this, you don’t understand how Saudis do business!
LIV team format will culminate in a Rider Cup style format called the LIV Cup.
WGRPoints will be adjusted by formula between 3 and 4 day schedule.
Rory is out and will become the sacrificial lamb of the merger unless he bows and begs.
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Ok so the PGA is broke……PIF is worth Kabillions. N ya LIV is just gonna go away….cmon guy. LIV is now the boss. Only option pga had was to join LIV. Ed herliy n Jimmy Dunne are merger n acquisitions attorneys….they started this whole deal last year……time for you to visit (thinking man show). It will clear up all this
I think NO Liv golfers want to go back to the PGA, unless they can't play on Liv, the kicker is there are PGA players that want to play on Liv. RIGHT now but can't. I see this as Liv will have the Top players in the World, because of this Merger / Deal, whatever you want to call it. Thats how this is gonna play out. Liv golfers only want World Ranking and allowed to play Majors,,,WHY would Liv players want to play on the PGA now? The 3rd tour they keep talking about? it better be a doosy, it has no choice but to be Super good, as Liv is Leading everything now, cause the Golfers now believe in Liv golf. Liv is a winner NO matter the out come!
I don't watch PGA Tournaments they're boring, if LIV goes away I'll just watch YouTubers instead. I mean I didn't watch the Travelers this week but I did watch Grant play with the Bryon Bros in a match, and Gabby Golf Girl vs Caitlyn Jenner in a match.
You have come around to my thinking and made it even more clear. LIV seems the choice tour for the highest quality players as long as they can still qualify for majors. Less demanding schedule, shorter days and support of friends with huge additional sponsorship upside. However LIV still needs a real TV deal and a model that generates revenue. The stale US Open was a huge misstep for PGA, even if not their fault, as it was less exciting than the Australian LIV event. Everyone needs to remember that 60%+ of golf fans are outside the USA and it has been wildly underserved.
I think that what you are saying is very smart. Makes waaaay more sense than what Chamblee and that crew are saying. I want to go to a LIV event, they look fun.
I'm more confused now than ever
I think ultimately team golf will be on LIV tour. They will still have individual winners but the focus will be team golf. I think that's the growth area particularly on a global stage. PGA and the elevated events will probably see the top LIV guys playing as well.
As for pathways I think that will come simply in the form of ranking points. This deal will obviously mean that ranking points will be award to LIV golfers and quite possible that they will back dated to include all the events already played.
There is absolutely no benefit in not having the best players at every event so the tours will continue to not schedule elevated and LIV events on the same weekends. This has been LIV's policy from the beginning and it was done with the future in mind.
Norman should be the commissioner. Monahan is a fraud
i think the real question i have is does Rory Mcilory retire from golf now that he is not needed by the PGA Tour, and LIV golf doesn't want him ?!
Here’s a prediction: This video will not age well.
You just nailed it imo . If the LIV is expanded to 15 teams and not just 4 players but say 8 players in a squad players can move between events. A top player like say Rahm could sign for eg 6 events . It's how players can be made whole as they said . 15×8 rewards a lot of players. Controlling the schedule means there can still be a non elevated event on pgat when say LIV Valderama is on . There will be possibly 6-8 events in USA so there still plenty of weeks for a big pgat schedule
I think you’ve nailed it this time Matt …. 2 weeks ago I misunderstood the keywords PATHWAY BACK …. I think Justin Rose misunderstood the keyword PATHWAY BACK also but what you’re now saying makes total sense !….. it’s there only for the lesser players who can’t keep a place on the top tier LIV league.the PGA will become a feeder back up training ground for the LIV teams
I cannot believe that anyone could present such a disjointed podcast. On God's earth what are you talking about. Howmany times can a person make a statement and then withdraw and correct it. You obviuosly speak without any idea as to what you are going to say, an example and I quote you "guys aren't going to want to leave LIV to come back on the PGA Tour, see that's what threw me, what's going to happen is guys are gunna be on LIV and they are no longer gunna be eligble to be on LIV, so they are going need a place to play and that would be the PGA Tour. Why would they not be eligible on LIV? because so many people are going to migrate over to LIV to play on LIV that it's gunna bump a lot of guys out who came from the PGA Tour" What does that piece of senseless diatribe even mean". And just to help me support my criticism of your woeful presentation you come up with this little nugget "because I guarantee you, I don't, I don't guarantee anything, I almost guarantee this" WTF
If LIV and the tours shorten the regular seasons, put all the stars into the teams for a 6 week season same as IPL cricket its a hit. Pools, 18 hole team v team. Single matchplay, stableford Matchplay, foursomes matchplay. 3 points available each match. every day and night with double headers over the weekends. Every team plays every other team over regular season. The regular season could be held in numerous countries. Then a finals series. Final at night prime time. The franchises would be worth a fortune same as IPL cricket franchises are
Plus its only a few hours to get a match finished with a result each day or night. Advertising dream. This brings golf in line with the other major sports
You are forgetting the Asian tour, LIV already set up a safety net via the Asian tour International series, which is very good tour
Valderrama Friday for LIV, love to see Rahmbo there
I don’t like the team events Mr Short Game. It’s golf, why don’t we keep it that way? I’m 16 and all for speeding it up and growing the game but teams just seem so corny and forced. The only reason teams work, in my opinion, is because of the legacy behind them. I hate the idea of forcing guys into teams in an individual sport. Great video as always, as long as the majors keep their prestige and we don’t have the Masters in Jeddah or something I guess I can’t complain 😂
God this guy talks some shit. Rham ain’t going nowhere he’s already said he ain’t going ffs 🤦♂️
WELL PATHWAY BACK IS BOLLOCKS THE GAME OF GOLF WANTS THATS US LIV PLAYERS AND PGA PLAYERS TO PLAY IN THE SAME COMPS IF RORY IS SO STUPID AS HE DOESENT WANT TO PLAY BECAUSE HE HATES EVERYBODY JUST DONT ASK HIM HE WONT BE MISSED
Yeah naming rights will disappear and Liv will be rebranded to PGA tour and the team invites will be the "invitational" events we currently have on PGA tour. Then other weekends will have regular PGA tour events. No more FedEx cup….
Finally someone gets it. PGA becomes the US feeder for the World Tour.
So the PGA tour will be a second tour to the LIV tour except for majors so most of the top ranked players will be on LIV that is weird but interesting to see how it all goes down
If this turns out to be truth, Mcllroy has a very big problem, as he openly told the world he hates LIV so bad and wants it to go away ….. LOL
I hope that this turns out just as MrShortgame predicts.
Call it liv give it a new name. There will be a super league. 12 events for the top 50. With a season begin and season end. Everyone else stays on the pga tour. All the majors will stay the same. And if the top 50 want to participate in more events pga events will be open to them… than the Korn ferry mini tour stuff never had to change either. Korn ferry feeds pga. Pga feeds super league.
I think your theory does make sense. But I still lean towards LIV disbanding. At least up to this point, it’s been a complete money incinerator. Maybe that changes, but not sure I see it
I think that is exactly what will happen. I also believe it will be good for everyone.
Liv won't survive if the PIF stops financing it or I am missing something?
We aren’t ALL wondering what’s going on. I will watch the best golfers with the best tournaments.
Don’t care where or how they are getting paid. Anyone who does and uses anything that requires petroleum to make… (shoes & 1000’s of others) is a complete hypocrite.
I kind of care, just for gossip sake, how does Jay Monahan Vs Greg Norman shake out? I say they go at it in the octagon! Last man standing stays! Other than that? Who gives a crap! It will all workout how it works out.
LIV is dead You did not figure out anything. LIV was and is a failure no matter how much they pay you to promote
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Thr OWGR is going to have to stop pretending like LIV events don't exist. DJ should still be top 5. Cam Smith has won. Brooks should be 1 or 2 in the world.
I think you missed it, in my opinion. I believe that LIV players will not be let back on the PGA Tour unless the players agree on a fine, penalty or whatever the group decides. Remember, they were promised that LIV players will be band for life from the PGA. This cost IMO will not be cheap! Now, the crux of the problem is will the LIV golfers pay this fine…… of course the answer is, yes if it's not too much. I believe that the PGA Tour players and LIV players will not agree on this amount so the NEWCO will have to find a way to compensate the PGA players or another solution to be able to proceed. I don't believe this will be an easy agreement or solution and will take time. Probably until next year in the final year of LIV's current announced tournaments. How does it end, I guess we will have to stay tuned!
There's only one American player on Liv playing well enough to really warrant a Ryder cup spot. Thats keopka. And Rahm isn't making the jump now.. I just don't see that happening.
Team merchandise is a big part. Look what keeps most major teams afloat is the selling of merch. The Suadis have been buying teams and are team orientated. Big money in merch.
The plan you describe makes sense and seems to be equitable for all players. Two Tours with elite world golfers.YES….Just provide proper viewing access to the fans. Jumping to various broadcasts is so annoying. Plus, many of us like to see s many of the players we can during a tournament. Not just the top players. Way to go MSG.
errr…wild speculation…main issues right now 1) what business structure to sate PGA, PIF, players and legislatures, 2) How to reinvigorate sponsors / TV on PGA tour and how to get on TV for LIV (so they can get sponsors in the first place)….everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic