The fastest discs will allow me to throw the farthest? Yes and no. In this video I try to help shed some light on speed ratings and high-speed turn. Understanding what the disc is trying to do in-flight will allow you to control and shape your shots better.
Make sure to check out this great/crazy disc invention video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwIiw3Rz3I&t=1339s
Chapters:
00:00 intro
00:26 flight numbers and speed
01:49 turn
02:01 @StuffMadeHere segment
02:54 speed rating
03:34 minimum speed
04:35 illustration
06:02 number 1 traded disc
06:48 speed = distance?
08:26 Ideal flight
09:10 why fly different?
09:37 Tilt example
10:43 Flight line examples
12:19 Wind
13:19 Elevation
14:32 Hyzer-flip and power
15:32 Lost Firebird
16:02 Good news
16:41 Relax
17:15 Wrap up
18:37 Bonus Illustrations
*for the 8 people who read this… My camera messed up on me and that was my third or fourth run through and my kids got hurt (again) at a soccer match, so I am looking a bit tired and not real crisp on some of my words. The concepts are solid, but looking at the edited video… I wish I had more time to clean it up. sorry.
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Good food for thought. Thanks
Thanks Pete, I like the way you think man, myself being over the half-century mark plus a few I like all the input I can get keep em coming
Great video, great explanation. I was one of the eight…😂
I’d be very interested in a discussion on disc weight. I was told to throw slower speed discs….I’m 63 and throw about 280’…however, my longest throws are with a Tern, 12 speed disc, but at 156g weight….
Great video, wishing you had spoken about weight and how it affects the disc. Should I go heavier or lighter etc…
The flight of a disc is acting upon by three forces. LIft, drag, and gravity.
Because the disc is spinning it acts like a gyroscope (all discs).
Turn and fade are caused by gyroscopic precession.
When Lift is the larger force, turn occurs.
When gravity is the larger force, fade occurs.
When gravity and lift are equal, glide occurs.
SPEED is an index to a set of three velocity phases.
Phase 1: The high velocity creates higher lift and causes TURN.
Phase 2: The mid velocity balances lift and gravity and causes GLIDE.
Phase 3: The low velocity causes higher gravity and causes FADE.
The rate at which the velocity declines is controlled by drag.
I believe that GLIDE is most affected by drag.
For a flat angle and trajectory:
So, if a disc has a high velocity of 60mph, and mid of 50mph, and a low of 40mph, but the golfer is only able to achieve 40mph, that disc will not turn. The flight will start at the beginning of phase 3 and the disc will just fade out.
The big problem is that nobody knows what those velocities are.
Not even the manufacturers.
They are derived through a suggestive empirical process.
They just go outside and throw them and decide what the numbers should be based on how "they" throw them. There is no universal standard.
So a TURN of -2 at DGA (130FT elevation) could be a a turn of 0 at Innova (925ft innovation)
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Lots to digest in the video. May take repeated viewings to take it all in, but I did have one aha moment. I thought my discs were just beaten in when they started turning more than they did previously. I have learned to ‘hyzer flip’ them, but these discs were not old. From what I gather, I was just throwing them harder? Interesting.
What about OAT and how that affects turn? Because many beginners throw with OAT, I think it is very relevant. Because they will wonder why their discs get more over stable the better they get and be very confused, especially knowing what you have just told.
Wow! Very down to earth explanation of how flight path is affected by disc speed/release speed/etc. Had a couple of aha moments. Also liked example of tunnel shot and how release speed afftects flight path. Concise and to the point. Thanks.
Thank you Pete, just starting throwing the disc last week! Majority of my drivers have been fading from the top right to the bottom left. Any tips on how to keep it more level before it flips?
Nice compliment to your 'cheat sheet' video! This was a great explanation of some of these concepts. One of the issues troubling me is not really knowing my discs yet, combined with not throwing consistently (I assume). The latter is inhibiting the former. Any tips for how to surmount that dilemma? Perhaps a future video idea? Thanks again for making and sharing these videos.
But….I can't drive 55…….😂
I hope your kids didn't get hurt too bad and healed quickly. (yes, some of us do read the descriptions).
great advice! love the content
Nice done – excellent information.
Great Video that explains this better than other videos I have watched.
Just a reminder: I am a scatterbrained artist who is just trying to give folks info to help figure out this game. Most of my suggestions may be crap… test it for yourself – go throw some discs! Things I didn't include in the extremely complex process of throwing and flight dynamics: Spin, Weight, Humidity, Plastics, Nose angle, Moisture, OAT – Off Axis Torque, Above or below sea level, grip, lag, inks, dyes and foils, ground plane, footing, other wind directions, parting lines, rain, hail, smog, disc surface imperfections and laminar flow, and probably a hundred more items 😀 I welcome questions and comments and I endeavor to answer every single one as soon as I possibly can (unitl I get so famous I can't be bothered with any of you folks :D) but please remember I am not trying to be an expert and cover everything. I am just a 52 year old dad with a wife, 4 kids and two bouts of cancer who loves disc golf and has been playing it for almost 30 years… and I am just trying to talk to the camera about what is in my head… and some folks will be weird enough to understand my ramblings… and they are who I do these videos for. If however, my videos don't resonate with you… thank you for watching but don't get stressed out… life is way too short and there are way better channels out there for you. Peace my friends!
Awesome thoughts, Pete! Your passion comes through very clearly and that is incredible. Thanks for putting yourself out there and helping others!
you the man Pete Love the vids! I'm so glad I stumbled onto your channel. I've told all my friends!
Great information thanks for spending the time and sharing your knowledge.
I had the ahh ha thank you so much Pete this was amazing and the flight number cheat code video.