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Here is our original BENDING video that I think makes it pretty clear as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03apsBYYckI&t=514s
I think Milo needs to put on a gears suit and crunch the numbers with the inventor to see if what he is feeling is actually happening
I guess the AMG video is hard to counter, they pretty much clarified everything. Also the best coaches in the world (pete cowen eg) are far more focused on the hands. Having people bending and rotating is just very hard, not necessarily wrong imo, just difficult to achieve.
Milo knows exactly whats going on what a coach and must be a hell of a player thank u 🏌♂️👍👍👍👍👍😎🇦🇺
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Milo bends his knees and lowers his upper body so much as he turns into downswing and into the ball. For the average Joe, this is such a variable that will introduce so much inconsistency.
Try assuming the ideal impact position (that you see the pros making, with forward shaft lean/hips and shoulders open to various extents, and then try to get to that position without increasing flexion/lowering.
I am of the opinion that as long as you have a little bit of left side bend then the transition will pull you into the right side bend without any concious action and the club won't go OTT/out to in. Adding flexion just adds to the shallowing goodness.
Hogan did have long arms, and I think he also maybe forced his elbow more towards his right hip as he rotated and had the right elbow beneath the left at impact, which Milo I think mentioned in a video of his (might not have been referring to Hogan). Moe Norman also hinted that this right elbow beneath left at impact was his and Ben's 'secret' to their consistency. That movement also shallows the club, obviously.
Really good questions from Brendon and really well going to the details of a golf swing, good job. It would be interesting to hear more detailes mentioned about Badraig Harrington swing changes with Gangas.
Seems that there is no end to the debate of the correct sequence and how to feel the shallowing from the top. Don’t the player have a choice which direction his hands are going meaning that dropping those hands too much ends up going under the plane. This player may need to feel to go over the top. Turning your back to the target more or less means different amount of shallowing as well.
I think the huge problem in golf industry is the lack of notice of the basic sequence. 90 % golfers suffer slice tendencies because of that. In the basic sequence the hand and the body work seperately and the hand allways speed up from the top. Pros don’t feel that because it’s so automatic. You can’t show to slicer a drill where body and arm go with the same speed!
I think it’s what works for you but a bending swing become more and more difficult with age. My body just doesn’t work like it used to and a more arms swing has allowed me to keep on playing good golf without putting too much pressure on an aging body. There are also lots of top golfers who start their swing or have the feeling of starting with the arms. Tiger, Ernie, Justin Rose to name a few. It’s also hard to argue with the AMG response. Milo may be a good coach for the right person, but he has a way to go on how to use Gears.
The AMG video said there was no rt side bend in the dswing–but that there was increased left sidebend! I posted a comment on AMG 3x yesterday with a link to videos showing Tiger, DJ & others showing what Milo is talking about and asking for how Gears would account for that. Not an inflammatory question by any means. All these comments were taken down from the comments section within 30 mins of posting! I have followed AMG for quite a while and even had in-person lessons w/ MIKE and Shawn. If they are going to try and be the Tony Faucci of golf, i.e.. Believe me because I am Science, they shouldn't duck questions!
I just wanted to thank you both!!! I have been following the Doctor, shifting weight and the the shoulders from opening. It took one swing to know that this concept it going to fine tune my swing!!!!
Brandon I message you and said Milo’s way I would be in traction but I was wrong after watching and listening to Moe Norman he said what Milo is saying about sitting down but then he said what I think is the key and Greg Norman said it too and if you watch Milo he is doing it but not explaining it because he is concentrating on side bend but Moe and Greg said at the top when you start coming down bend your left knee and pointed to the hole this will cause you to sit down the club will be in the slot too rip it . By bending your left knee depending how much you can go down most likely not as much as Milo or a guy in their 20’s but you will not be in tilt and I did that back to the hole bring the arms down the Justin Rose way it worked for a short while then I had problems.
I watched the "other video" and was initially confused (not unusual) but this helps re center me and further my understanding of the issue. Good example of lay people trying to find someone who is explaining the scientific data to trust when two interpretations of the same data exist. It becomes a matter of faith, so to speak for us when we have to pick the expert:). Also, I use Swing Profile and really like it, but lately I found another app that I think is very useful. It's called Mirror Vision and I set my phone up as the camera on whatever angle I want to show and then place my Ipad on the ground right in front of the golf ball so I can practice and see how im moving in real time without having to take a break to see what it looked like. It also allows you to pre mark the image so you can try to stay inside those parameters and it will take video in reg and slow motion which you can clip and mark up post shot also. Just another tool for the tool box. Thanks for doing this.
Why won't Milo just go to AMG and see for himself? This is just gonna be more confusion for people, when we have different coaches going against each other. Not good
All I’ll say is that AMG is the gold standard when it comes to Gears interpretation. You cannot argue with the numbers they collect from the Tour pros they measure. It’s objective fact. I felt bad that Milo was called out in the AMG video, but my understanding was that they were simply correcting Milo’s misreading of the Gears data. I enjoy Milo’s instructional videos, but misinterpreting Gears data to back up the feels in his swing is not good, and should be corrected. My two cents.
The AMG guys know how to read gears data. This is an obvious example of feel and real not being the same.
B, you have gone to so many different coaches…. why have you avoided the AMG guys? They have all the gears equipment…. why not go, get measured up and see whats up? Would make for some amazing content for the channel.
Video really starts at 14:30
I think the confusion is both the AMG guys and Milo are both right, but not taking about the same thing. It is clearly possible to have lateral side bend left in the upper body and in the mid to upper thorax lateral right bend at the same time
This is what you get when a baseball player attempts to be an “expert” in 3D golf swing analysis 😂
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It's all here ! Brendon doesn't seem to follow /understand your simple clear sequence logic
Is Milo’s concept about thoracic bend the old kelvin miahara spine engine lumbar lordosis deal?
Once again Brandon is making things so overcomplicated and taking a swing something that happens so quick and trying to break it down to certain steps that really prevent people from getting better i feel bad for Milo someone who is simply trying to help people be better golf needs to do better this is ridiculous 👎
I’ll say one thing, nobody looked like they lowered the body more in transition than tiger in his prime. it was glaringly different than the rest of the players he was competing against
This downswing move helped me better understand what I have to do. I tried it in my hitting area and it really helps dampen my over the top, early extension move.
In the downswing the lower spine appears to be in left bend, and upper spine in right bend. As you say this is the confusing part, where we are actually in both bends at the same time. hence the argument
I think a major problem here is the difference between the way AGM and Milo define side end. Most golfers think of side bend the way AGM do – side crunch with hips not moving but the head free to move laterally. Milo demonstrates side bend as side crunch with the head AND hips held from moving laterally. Try it – stand in front of the mirror with your head and hips restrained from moving laterally and move your shoulders up and down generating side crunch. During the movement the shoulder girdle structure needs to move with the rib cage. As far as I can tell this is the movement Milo was demonstrating. Even at 73 a significant amount of this movement is possible in my case. Let’s just reserve the term side crunch for this movement pattern and leave side bend for the movement where the head moves laterally.
If this side crunch movement is as important in the golf swing as Milo claims he will have made a significant contribution to understanding the kinematics of the swing and GEERS will need to include measurement of it in it’s output.
On the gears video mike shows the rib cage numbers. Would that not show the type of thoracic spine numbers milo is talking about? When Milo demonstrates the motion you can tell ribs are going up and down
Lateral side bending of the spine is defined as the angle between C7 and S1. I suggest that all of you left lateral side bend close to your maximum range of motion and estimate what angle your head is located relative to the ground and where your head is located relative to your left leg. Adding rotation does not change the orientation of your head relative to left leg
Some have commented that AMG and Milo have different definitions of lateral side bend . The ONLY accurate definition is one in which is consistent with basic anatomy , the angle from C7 to S1.
If Milo’s or AMG definition differs from this definition , then it is wrong plain and simple
Any discount from BBG for Milo Lines site
I will repeat what I have stated time and time again
There is no difference in the definition of side bending or any body movement .Milo is completely wrong in implying that there are differences
The ONLY definition of side bending or any body movement is the well known and accepted ANATOMICAL definition
Please go to “ Medico-spine lateral flexion” on YouTube .
This clearly shows the movement of the head during lateral flexion .
As posted elsewhere, I've always thought the AMG guys were great, but the early side bend "intention" added to my swing from Milo worked amazing for me. Here's my question: every teacher talks about how little time it takes to get to impact once you start the downswing, hence the importance of the right backswing. Every DTL photo of pros at impact shows various degrees of trail side bend, that C shape and crunching of trail shoulder toward trail hip – Joaquin Niemann hitting driver has most of all. That crunching doesn't happen in 1/100 of a second, it has to start before impact. Knowing that ams can't move as well as or quickly as pros, it seems we might need to start that transition earlier in order to get to the best impact postion. That's what I feel has happened with me. I can see where that could be challenging on less flexible spines like mine, so I'm trying to limit reps and add flexibility work to protect my obliques, but on the course, the results have been huge.
PLEASE. give me a task. Not focus on my body parts, which is impossible and detrimental to do in .5 sec
@milolinesgolf Hey Milo, what years were you a collegiate all-american ?
Rib cage sway see on Eric cogorno golf channel and supports Milo lines rib cage movement
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Is it that gears shows numbers of degrees of side bend compared to horizontal or compared to another plane in your body? If it is compared to horizontal you can easily get confused because side bend in your body can only be calculated by using two body planes.
If you keep your head back on the downswing IE rotate around your head, do you really need to think about side bend! Another thing I don’t like is “using the ground”! Can anyone demonstrate a golf swing that doesn’t use the ground!
Since Matt Wolfe is better than Milo should we all swing like Wolfe? Maybe since there are so many crappy Wolfe copy cat swings Matt should change his swing.