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49 Comments
In addition to growing the rough at 300yds in, make the pros use a smaller head driver.
Reducing MOI makes it more of a gamble to ‘go for it’ on these long holes. Risk vs Reward.
The monopoly tour zealots who hate this rule are going to love it as soon as the pga adopts it and liv doesn’t bend the knee and keeps the regular ball.
Any tour that adopts this (they say it’s optional) is going to alienate their fans
You can not put the Genie back in the Bottle!!!!
I can’t agree that it would make the game boring. Instead of going at a par five in two with 7 iron in hand maybe they have to pull a 4 iron or even maybe a wood. I think that’s exciting. Maybe just me.
My question to all of this which I haven't heard answered is…what is their intent/goal? Is it ONLY to decrease distances? Is it to decrease distances AND produce higher scores? Because if those are the intentions/goals then rolling back balls/equipment is ridiculous. Those are easy fixes on every course on ANY tour. The amount of time and money spent on manicuring the perfect "pro" course setup for an event could simply change to make it more difficult for that event. If the course or the tour don't want to see players driving their Par 4's then add a bunker or severe deep rough to collect those shot attempts and make it impossible to drive. Then short hitters may actually end up being able to play from the same distance into a green as a long hitter. If the USGA and R&A want to turn pro golf into nothing but "target golf" (or Pro TopGolf) then setup courses to make it that way…and kill the game in the process. So much for "growing the game". Golf is already HARD…let's make it HARDER so no one wants to play it. <insert eye roll>
They don't need to roll back anything. Just grow some rough and put a premium on accuracy.
If the PGA did this it would help LIV who would seize upon it. They'll never approve this idea.
The biggest issue is that golf course hazard design is light years behind the equipment.
Longer grass is not the answer, bad shots should be equally penalized from 100 yards to 300 yards.
i like golf but will fall asleep watching pga event on tv… making them shorter dont fix this issue
So, on EVERY hole the average pro uses his/her driver and drives it 270 to 300+, including the Par 3?! My point is that it is about course management. Not every hole is straight and 300+. Also, if the USGA/PGA want more people to go to LIV, which I do watch too, this is the way to do it. It doesn't make sense to have a ball go shorter for the PRO's, but what about taking the ball out of a divit rule? That would be more important than making the PRO's hitting shorter.
Tiger Woods supported it… So I'm surprised that all the anti-LIV PGA fan bois are against this. If Rory comes out and says it's a great thing, I bet a lot of people are going to change their tunes.
It's hard to believe that there's only ten more yards in driving distance from twenty years ago… Drivers have been delivering 10 more yards every year, so by their calculations,, driving distance has increased 200 yards! 😂😂😂. Baseball controls balls and bats, Football has college balls and pro balls. C'mon man! Ohhhhhh the pro golfer will have their ego bruised 🤣🤣🤣. The ball is already controlled. Just go back to Persimmon Woods, and we'll see how good these elite golfers are. Easy fix.
I agree, horrible idea. Plus we like watching golf to see guys hit the ball way farther than we can!
Hmm, somehow we were able to play with the balls we had in the 80-90 and so were the pros 🙂 In my eyes golf was as fun back then as it is now.
Why ruin the game of golf? People love seeing the long ball. I hate how a few people with a stupid idea can push it through and ruin things for millions of others. I absolutely hate this idea. Narrow the fairway past 300. This sucks soo bad!
Bring on the Titleist balata miss those days everyone had to control spin not smash it and find it. Wedges were super fun growing up as a kid see how far you could zip it back.
So basically, they'll be using range balls?
Whining about Bryson tearing apart their beloved Winged Foot. USGA lacks imagination. Last “interesting” US Open was Chambers. Boring since then. Put ‘em on tough golf courses and let ‘em rip it. Trying to defend outdated and boring golf courses ain’t the answer and penalizes the younger, stronger, bigger, athletes moving to golf. Fans want to see the best at the highest level of competition, and competition includes tough courses.
I’m not sure if I’m sold with your proposal for growing out rough and narrowing fairways. There is a ton of pressure from the R&A about keeping old courses like St. Andrews relevant for The Open and elite competition. They’ve certainly tried growing out the rough in some holes, but the problem is that growing out rough for the sake of adding difficulty goes against the “spirit of the Old Course”. The R&A want to maintain tradition for their courses. The USGA wants consistent ruling between the two governing bodies. It’s a mess for sure and I don’t think there is a way to make everyone happy, whatever the final decision is
Hmmm. Ok so when the tour pro walks up to the first tee. The tour hands em their score card n a dozen of these 1950 off white tan or water balls….smiles n says. Give ‘em hell…heheheh. 🤓😂😎
Biggest cause for distance gain was driver head size going from…
1991 to 190cc club head size
1995 to 250cc
2004 to 460cc limit
Plus the use of titanium materials making the club head lighter and much more forgiving, and bigger sweet spot.
Along with the advances in technology of the ball, shaft and max launch and spin conditions through a launch monitor. Plus golfers working out for max performance.
For the courses they are worried about, they can buy some wood stakes, paint them white, and put them in strategic locations. Nothing changes behavior like well placed OB with stroke and distance. It also gives a great risk reward incentive and would be entertaining to see pros handle tee shots differently. If you're chasing on Sunday, you have to go after it.
Liv golf could absolutely drop a bomb on the PGA by saying they are not going to roll back the golf ball. This would force most of the major players to join liv, and would most definitely turn the tide in Liv’s direction. Would love to see a video about this possibly.
Love the content keep it up!
They said not womens golf… Come on…
Simple solution, cap the ball, where it is now. Then all the things you’ve listed, go away, no need for two sets of balls, and their courses don’t need to try and buy up more land to make them distance proof
If this goes through, the game of golf is finished for bringing in new blood
It’s a ridiculous debate. Ask yourself why you watch the pros in the first place? It’s because of what they can do that you can’t and how the hell do they go so low? Rahm at essentially +13. Golf courses aren’t becoming obsolete: competition is getting better. The nature of the game is score as low as possible. They are doing just that.
What I really think is happening is a reset. Equipment has reached its technological limit. If they go all in on the rollback ball even to the point where it applies across all of golf then all of a sudden EVERYONE will have to buy new conforming balls and equipment
Golf has always been 1 set of rules for everyone. Sure, we can play different tee boxes but the same rules for play, same rules for equipment. As a golfer develops, they continue to use the same standard equipment. An aspirational player should be able to measure themselves against the best in the game.
If the best players need to be challenged, longer grass, tighter fairways solves the problem (if there is a probkem).
I don't think there's a problem. If the pros can shoot in the 40's, let them! Course records are going to fall? So what!
This may be the beginning of the end of the R&A/USGA
OK, let's throw out the standards… I'll take a 500 yard driver and ball combination! Thanks
It seems to me that golf courses should just become harder to play (golf course architectural upgrades). Put more bunkers in at 320+ yards, put a tree in the middle of the fairways; change the greens and make them more difficult to play (just like that 9 hole PXG course in Arizona).
If the issue is that golfballs & equipment are making the game too easy; then change the courses to make them more challenging. 🤔
Umm, PGA we like watching bombs get hit! Bryson at Arnold palmer was must see
did you get that ball from Tom Stewart at the Old Sport & gallery in Pinehurst villiage. The worst part about the new ball is that every low level amateur will want to play the pro ball from the Tips at nice courses, minimum round time will jump to 5 hours.
Is this just part of the Build Back Better agenda? 😂 golf has grown so much in last two decades just to go backwards.
The pros won't be an advert for new gear anymore and that's a problem
This would be so silly and short sighted. In the long run, this will have the reverse effect, and the best players on tour will become basically long drive type of golfers who have a decent game around and on the greens… Players aren't actually hitting the ball so much further than ever before, like Mr. short game said, there are just more players that can carry 300+ now then in the past. same in all sports, more pitchers throw 100mph now, but no one is throwing 120 mph. It's called progress, best not to get in the way of it .
Remember way back when. John Daly just out drove any bunkers at St Andrews. Or Bryson smash and gouge worked, as well as hitting it to a different fairway. That was cool, but it kind of made a joke out of the course. The Nascar guy that pinned it against the wall. Again, very cool, but do they want to see everyone doing that? With new club and ball technology there really should probably be new courses designed for pro events, but that ruins the history of great tournaments. Driver and wedge for a long par 4 was never considered when these courses were designed. Moving back the tee box isn't always the best solution either.
A ball change does nothing, 300 becomes 280, 250 now becomes 230 😂 same gap, 10 years time the young kids will be at 400 yards, athletes creating powerful swings with alot of moving parts, not a 60s swing with no power and very little movement….
PGA is an institution that needs one hell of a makeover asap.
Retuning the balls is not a new idea. Jack Nicklaus talked about it 20 years ago and at least one of his courses in the “islands” you have to use a 60% ball to match the ball to the course. I would vote to keep the ball as it is. Everybody loves to see these pros his the piss out of the ball. It’s awesome. But as a 79 year old golfer, I need as much distance as I can get. And, I don’t think the max-distance golfer (i.e. DeChambeau) is able to benefit as much as we believe. He still has to parlay the wedge shot into a very short putt… which he doesn’t do with great accuracy. I think this decision is a solution without a problem. And if they took away the green reading books away from the professional, the scores wouldn’t be affected by the extreme distance off the tee. I agree with you that there are other ways to make the game more challenging. Personally, I want longer balls.
mlb stadiums are deep but the players can still only use wood bats at the highest level. instead of rolling the ball back maybe they should go back to persimmon drivers 😄😄
I used the new prov1x it's fucking awesome
Number 1 reason is if the USGA and R&A impose this rule, LIV golf will benefit tremendously as the Hot Bombs League. PGA will be obsolete.
How many times did the Golf Channel show Bryson's drive over the water??? All you need to know.
Who cares what the score is. All the players are playing the same course for 4 days. It doesn’t matter if the score is 30 under for 4 days if there is a battle at the end for a winner. I don’t understand the problem they are trying to solve
Look …this roll back should never happen 🎉🎉 if you want tour players restricted to how they play the game…Harvey Penick said ..remove sand bunkers and make them grass bunkers…like the rest of play 😢😢😢
stratigic pot bunkers. right where the long guys would try to hit it
Technology is destroying golf. The golf ball rollback is a good idea, next we should be back to wooden drivers. Joking. But the ball thing, I agree with it. Also OB to stop them going over trees and things like that is also good. I'm bored watching drivers wedges and putters, zzzzz. And PM always banging on about how good this golf is. We need to see how good these guys are using 4 and 5 irons off the fairways a lot more. Driver and 9 iron on a par 5, really?
It's still the same though, no matter the ball, they still have a disadvantage! But the viewers might not move to women's volley ball because it's a bore fest of driver and wedge. Well, there will still be wedge right enough 🤤