Are Zero Torque Putters Worth It?
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No, Ben Crenshaw won the Master's with a cheap bladed putter he'd had for decades. Don't waste your money, practice more.
When I tested a zero torque putter I noticed I had a lot more stability on shorter putts. On my normal one on the backstroke I have too much wiggling for my taste that can lead to miss hits.
I’m using the same putter as you are or were using: Scotty Cameron Phantom 9.5. I’m using that, after a putter fitting which i had preferred (before testing) to buy the LAB. But the LAB was feeling so strange and the Scotty so pure, i came home with the Scotty. After seeing this video, maybe this is the perfect combination of LABs stability but Scotties feel. Interesting!
im using a heavy putter B1 one downside its no aline on it but i use it beacuse i like how heavy it is and it takes out my hands from putting
I found it suits my game better than a standard mallet putter but the accuracy comes with a price – it is harder to judge speed for longer putts than my old mallet.
The reason I think most pros will not switch to zero torque is they swing differently than every other club in the bag. All irons are toe down. You can sense when the club is open or closed. Zero Torque just floats. Some of the models are much heavier and that may be what is improving the results for some. The designs are symmetrical and that is easier to aim. So they are fine putters, I’m just skeptical that the zero torque part is the best feature. Better players, with tons of reps and feel will likely continue on with putters that have a bit of “swing” to them.
I’m using a lab oz1.i counterbalance and it’s helped massively
I've played all kinds of putters over the years. Most recently an HB Soft 2 number 11. But like all other attempts with mallet designs I find they bring me less consistent speed and I'm back with my old Rossa blade that has like 45 degrees of toe down balance.
I'll keep trying every couple years. And someday I suspect someone will make one that's more stable yet still as light and my Rossa will retire.
But that day hasn't come. I'll be at the golf store tomorrow to get my new off the shelf Mizuno 425's bent to spec so I'm sure to see some to test while I'm there.
Is this Peter finch? Or am I tripping
Newport 2 til I die….
I'm using a Ping Vault 2.0 B60 Stealth which has just a slight amount of toe hang. It suits my eye and it seems to suit my stroke well.
If you have a pendulum type swing and not a straight back straight forward zero or low torque putters make no difference.
And it is the hands on the grip that are importsnt to manage the twisting, not the shaft or shaft placement or weighting.
Garbage science. All marketing.
I found when testing zero torque putters of any make that the sweet spot is huge! Now i need to save up for one, might take a while.
Tried both odyssey and Taylormade….were ok but I’m now back to original design…much better 🤷..👍
I don't want to splash down the money for one quite yet BUT I've always had a straight back – straight through putting stroke, it's why I switched to a mallet head style in the first place because I felt the extra weight in the head allowed me to keep it straigther, so a ZT putter might be the exact thing for me, but I'll keep my Spider Tour for another couple of years and see if I can pick up one of these cheap in a few years time…maybe the Spider ZT.
Nice review here. I have the Scotty Phantom 11 OC as well. I like it however I went back to a traditional mallet to better fit my arc in stroke. I honestly couldnt tell if the low torque putter was helping me or hurting me. What I realized and asked myself, why am I trying to re invent the wheel here with my stroke to try to let the putter do the work? I think what people need to realize with all of the zero torque/low torque putters out there, why is your face twisting in the first place? Pretend these putters never existed? Why not address the problem if that is what the problem is? Another way to look at this, if your 5 iron is coming up short and you think you need a more forgiving club that’s hotter and produces more ball speed, maybe the real problem is why not take a lesson and try to figure out what you cant hit a 5 iron properly? I dunno. We’re all looking for the holy grail here, I get it.
I use a 2006 Yes! Marilyn putter which I have owned since 2008 (I think). It has served me well and I still get great feel and direction with it. The only change I have made is to put a thick grip on it as I tend to grip too tight when I put poorly and the thick grip help mitigate that. I have tried a few zero torque variants and think that would be my next move, assuming I could ever part with Marilyn
Would love to game a ZT but not at their current prices 🤣
some call them "trends" some call them "sheep". What really matters is the putter holding the putter.
For most of my ‘golf life’ I used an Anser style putter. I still have the late 60’s vintage Anser that my dad gave me back in the early 80s and have used probably a dozen different varieties since then.
This year I switched to the TM Spider ZT after trying it in a pro shop. I found that it took one component out of the putting stroke (face angle to ball) which to me was at times a problem. I found that putts within six feet were going in at a substantially higher rate and I didn’t fear the three footers nearly as much.
So I agree that they are better for shorter putts. And for the average golfer that probably is where a large number of strokes will be saved. Speed control needs to be learned with the different face construction but there is something to these putters. Will it make you a good putter? No but it can help you improve an aspect of the game.
Was really expecting the center shaft putter vomit from Pete clip 😂
I am currently using the LAB Oz1
They are just só expensive!
Nope
I had the scotty, and I've tried a few others with the shaft tilt. Do not like them. I think they are marketed for golfers that just aren't very good putters.
Putter "tech" makes me laugh. We're just rolling a ball here 😂
I play a mallet and have the same feeling of holding the face off from releasing, same as the low torque putters.
As long as you can roll the ball end over end, on your desired start line…you're going to be a good putter, no matter what the hunk of metal on the end of the shaft is.
I'm using a hickory shafted Staynorous butter knife putter from the 1920s now. It's tiny. And fantastic, because it relies on you actually getting better at putting rather than relying on technology to overcome your deficiencies.
I've knocked at least 3 shots off my handicap since starting to use it.
For sure it has drawbacks. Long putts are much harder. It's completely unforgiving. But I love it.
Interesting video Peter. I personally do feel that zero torque putters are a technology that's going to stay. While the first gen zero torque putters are quite ugly in appearance companies through AI designing are rapidly changing that fact. Examples would be the Bettinardi Antidote SB5 which look like an old fashioned center shafted, half moon shaped mallet putter and of course the new LAB Link.2.1 putter, which looking down at it from your address bears a remarkable resemblance to a solid black Ping of Scottie Cameron.
Do you think that your improved putting might have been because of the traditional looking appearance of the non zero torque putter you've been using the past year. You're a traditional club kind of guy, appearance means a lot and probably improves your confidence .
I've been using a mid-weight HEAVY (that's the brand) model C-2 for about 20 years. I started using it because it was nearly impossible to "yep" because of the weight.
I've never even considered switching until just recently. A zero torque putter will likely go in my bag this year. Brand and model, TBD.