Hi guys. I’m new to the sport, played a few games and enjoyed it.
I bought a cheap second hand set of old callaway irons but it came with a £30 fazer driver, so I decided to purchase a better second hand one.
I purchased a callaway rogue st Max, on the recommendation of the internet ( other options were Ping g425 max but was about £100 more).
The thing is I saw a deal for £150 and don’t realise it was actually a Rogue st max D until I completed the purchase.
I do slice the ball right often to be honest so it would help but my question is will this affect my technique negatively ? If I enjoy it and continue playing over summer I’d intend to buy newer clubs next year but will it stick me in bad habits ?
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by Express_Recording_62
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You fat fingered your way into the IDEAL driver for a begginer who slices the ball
At this point it probably makes zero difference.
Do you still hit slices with the new driver?
The Rogue ST Max is a fantastic driver! I game it myself and love it! It does allow you to set it up with a draw bias. That should help a little bit with the slice, but don’t expect miracles! 😅😊
Hit em long and straight!!
You can adjust the driver face by unscrewing the bottom and move the hosel cogs
I have that driver and absolutely love it. I’m not even a slicer, but was fit into it because I have an upright and steep attack angle. Expect nice high draws.
You bought the perfect driver for a beginner golfer.
Draw bias means the same thing as anti-slice.
Draw bias = helps you hit draws if you can’t get the ball to draw as much you want it to
Anti-slice = helps you hit the ball straighter if your ball slices off to the right (most beginner golfers slice, unless they played baseball)
If you’re new, you’ll learn to swing with that club and it’ll feel normal
newer draw biased drivers aren’t going to mess you up long term, especially since you have adjustability as you get more into the game. old school ones literally just had the face aim to the left super hard and that certainly hurt me in the long run, but this is a good driver to start with for sure
I’ve used a draw driver since the burner came out. Have an m7 d type now. Love them both. I got down to 13 hcp using them so no need to think you need to use a standard driver if it works for you.
There’s pros that play draw biased heads because they like to play fades. This allows them to swing as far right as they want without as much worry of losing the ball.
I also have a buddy who’s an 8 cap and one of the most accurate drivers I know. Hits a consistent 240-260 drive with his Ping G425 SFT like clockwork.
Play what works best for your game
Just so you know professionals play draw and fade bias drivers so I wouldn’t worry about it.
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Akshay won last weekend with the LS version of this driver. This will definitely get the job done for you. The most forgiving model will be best for most players until they’re well into the single digit handicaps.
Oh don’t worry you will still slice it with this driver. Then draw it only on dogleg right holes. Just don’t ask me how I know…🤣🤣🤣
Have fun with the driver. The Rogue line was probably my favorite driver line until the Paradym. But that driver will make it easier to hit the ball while you develop your technique. Draw-biased drivers basically just put more weight in the heel of the club so that it makes it easier to close the face at impact, which is the hardest thing to do as a new golfer.
Good example: I was paired with a newer golfer this past weekend who was playing a Callaway Paradym X he got from Pre-Owned because he slices and wanted something to fix it. I play a GT1 12* and the Paradym was also 12*. His shaft is a bit stiffer, but I wanted to see what it could do, so I asked if I could hit one for fun on a Par 5 after I hit my drive. Even though it’s a “draw bias”, it had the exact same ball flight and line as my GT1 that I play without any biases (if anything, Titleist A1 is slightly open). It won’t affect your long-term swing, but it will make it easier to hit drives while you’re still learning.
I bought the ST max D for my wife and she can keep up with anyone we’re paired with off the red tees. This will be her 2nd year of golf.
what does the asterisk symbolize in your text
All beginners should use a draw based driver for it is the anti slice answer!!
All “draw bias” means here is that there is a weight on the heel side of the club. This means that when you swing, the toe of the club will be moving slightly faster than the heel, causing the club face to close more than if the weight was not there.
Perfectly fine for anyone who wants a little more face closure, something a lot of beginners struggle with.
This is my personal opinion and sometimes I contradict myself, but it does not matter at all what club you use, at the end of the day it’s your swing. Improve your swing and you won’t have to worry about drawing or slicing your ball.
Reason I contradict myself is mainly due to Ben Hogan, who stated every shot should be shaped and a straight shot is a happy accident. Then again, look up Moe Norman. At the end of the day, we all have unique swings and you shouldn’t try to copy others swings, so just learn to be more consistent and know what your regular shot shape looks like.
A good golfer can preform with any club. Look at all these YouTube golfers playing matches against people with kids clubs or old clubs or other ridiculous things. They hit the ball 100x better with a kids club or a 70 year old 2 iron than I hit my Ping G430 Max 10K with a Ventus Velocore + shaft (new $950). He’ll, have you seen the guy with the driver that’s like 10 feet long? He hits it more pure than I hit my putter.
The most important thing is hitting the center of the club and being consistent, if you do that, you’ll have no issues, even with a $25 driver at good will (might not go as far or look as good, but still).
I have it. Believe me, it slices just fine.
I got fitted into a draw biased driver last week (Quantum Max D). I had right elbow and tendon surgery about 2 years ago, and ever since then i have been struggling with closing the face completely – on the trackman i tend to leave it open 2-3 degrees on impact. I have a pretty neutral club path – slightly out to in if anything, so the draw weighted head will help a lot.
If anything, playing with my old Rogue ST Max head with a too light and whippy shaft for my speed was hurting my swing, as i was trying too hard to compensate for leaving the face open, and i was starting to pull it way too often.
For that price, all you can do is hit it and see if helps.
I would return it and go with the standard option. That way, you can see your true ball flight and learn how to fix it in the long run. That club will cost you a lot of money and hide your true flight. It’s for people who need a safety net on bad swings. Better to learn standard if you want to get good faster
A draw driver isn’t going to magically solve a slice so you’ll still be able to improve your technique; it will help a fade be more neutral and a neutral shot be more of a draw, a draw will tend to over draw. You’ll just have to take that into account when understanding what your swing was doing to generate a given shot shape.
Hit it center face 100 times total. I’m talking like, ever – all time 100 center strikes. And then worry about draw bias or other setup options.
Short answer, no. Proper swing fundamentals and face control through impact are club agnostic. I have nearly the same club, also a draw weighted model, and can still slice or hook it if I want
I don’t see the problem here ESPECIALLY if you are new. I remember when I first started playing I used to have to aim for another fairway my slice was so bad. Now I teach golf for a living. There’s so many things people don’t realize correct your swing it just feels wrong so they don’t do it. Especially with the driver. You just have to think about it. You want your face to be square contact and actually be hitting up on the ball. Just think about that circle and do it
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People slice a drive due to swing path or face angle, usually a combination of both. A Draw bias driver will not cure a wide open face or an out to in path. However the weight distribution of those heads DO help the face to close more than a neutral or fade biased head. It gives you a little more margin for error. But you’ll still want to work on the swing issues. Don’t sweat that all of a sudden you’re going to be hitting duck hooks. They aren’t that severe.
Draw setting helped my slice a ton