Marcus Armitage: The Long Road to Tour Success

Marcus Armitage joins George Harper Jr. on the Life on Tour podcast, presented by Buffalo Trace, for a no-filter conversation about his journey through the world of professional golf. From battling through the lower ranks to finding his footing on the DP World Tour, Marcus opens up about the struggles, setbacks, and breakthroughs that shaped his career.

Known as one of the most entertaining characters on Tour, he brings an endless supply of stories, from the realities of life on the road to the moment he met Tiger Woods on the range.

Chapters:
01:26 – Introduction
02:30 – The origin of ‘The Bullet’
10:24 – Love of the game
15:54 – Where it all began for Marcus
22:40 – Early mentors
25:25 – Turning pro
27:30 – Sleeping in a tent at Q-School
32:00 – Graduating to the DP World Tour
34:00 – Meeting Tiger for the first time
36:00 – Losing his card and struggles
44:45 – Maiden win on the DP World Tour
51:18 – Importance of his relationship with Lucy
54:30 – Future goals

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that. Cheers. It’s good. That the bullets in town. 100 grand in debt. Going to tour school. Me and Lucy just got his first house. If I would have missed, you know, my card, I would have been bankrupt. Co would have hit. She would have been, you know, her business would have been big. We would have lost the house. We would have lost everything. Oh, I was struggling. You know, me and Lucy were struggling. There’s like a junior roping on at like five quid to enter and the guy says, “Oh, what’s your handicap?” And me dad went, “He’s not handicapped.” We didn’t have a clue, you know what I mean? I’ve just been had no idea about golf at all. I doing a Snapchat at the time, you know, getting all excited. Opened it up and I went the bullet. It sounded genuine typo. Yeah. Wrestling a snake in a phone box then. You know what I mean? Played with Rory a few week ago. I just couldn’t leave him alone. Just wanted to ask questions. You know what I mean? Tiger walked on the range. I straight over next to him. I threw me balls down. They went all over the It hit him on the heels. I’m like, “Oh no, this is going bad straight off here. Tiger’s going to think I’m, you know, you’ll see an idiot.” Yeah. Well, now that we’re settled, it’s an absolute pleasure to have the bullet Marcus Armitage here on the Life on Tour podcast, courtesy of Buffalo Trace. And the whiskey is tasting beautiful, but um Bullet, nice to have you here. How are you? Yeah, I’m very good. Yeah, life’s good at the moment. Life’s good. Well, we’re here in Abu Dhabi of all places, and that’s always a good sign if you’re here. Yeah. Um how’s the year been, mate? Because things have things have been trending nicely. Yeah, you know, I’ve had a fantastic year. Um, I think it’s my best to date and you know, I’ve got a great opportunity the next two weeks to um to make it the best ever. So, uh, yeah, it’s um, it’s been a it’s been a solid year and um, yeah, just looking forward to to capping it off with hopefully a win. Nice. Now, for everyone who just heard the intro, we might as well get this nickname out of the way. Uh, the bullet. Uh, a few of us would have heard it before, but uh, for those who haven’t, can you briefly run us through where the nickname comes from? Because we all love someone with a nickname. This is the character we need. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when I first come on tour, obviously I were good friends with um Matt Nixon, who I knew from, you know, from being a kid. And uh I think the character that I am, you know, he said you could do with a nickname, you know, to go to go along with your uh character. And um so I said, “Oh, I said, well, my love for bulldogs and everything.” I said, “Just call me the bulldog.” Nice. He’s like, “Yeah, you can’t just pick a nickname though, can you?” I said, “Well, you either want me to have a nickname or you don’t.” Anyway, fast forward to um I ordered a club glove uh from America and everyone on tours got the club gloves and uh so they said to me, “What do you want embroidered on it, you know, for you know um so you could differentiate who’s is who and you know um and I said, “Oh, I’ll have the bulldog. Just write the bulldog on it.” So it came through. I was doing a Snapchat at the time obviously to Matt and I like oh here it is here’s my club glove like you know getting all excited opened it up and I went the bullet so they got it genuine typo yeah so they just they got it totally wrong they put the bullet on there and my reaction to it I’ve then sent it to Matt and um yeah next minute I’m on tour and uh everyone’s like hey up bullet that’s great because you say you can’t pick your own nickname and then it’s worked out that you Yeah. Yeah. So, so it’s brilliant. Yeah. No, it was pretty cool. Yeah. Good stuff. Um, and look, as you mentioned, you’re having one of your best years on tour. How does that feel to, I guess, be settled, relaxed, and just, I guess, having the freedom to play well because golf’s a pretty tough sport, so you must be really, really enjoying this year. Yeah, I mean, um, I’ve had a couple of years, couple of tough years, you know, uh, chasing my card. Um I at the Dunhill Championship in 2023 uh that was one of my greatest achievements in golf. Everyone will look at the winds and you know but I was sat with Lucy the other night and I said you know what’s the what’s one of the best moments that I’ve had that’s not um that’s not a win because everyone looks at the wind and goes that’s the obvious part and that’s what you know defines people. But you know uh what we went through that year, you know, me struggling all year and then to pull off, you know, tie second place at the Dunhill, you know, under all that pressure, under not knowing if the tournament was going to finish, like my cards on the line and then it did finish luckily, you know, um and then, you know, to so to battle like that all year and end up in a position where you just keep your card. Whereas this year, you know, second event out, I was up there um just got picked by Alex Del Rey and um you know, finished second and practically got my card up straight away. Um you know, I felt like I were on a deck chair from there for the next few months. Like this is awesome. I’ve been fighting the last two years for my card. Whereas you know, this year it’s uh yeah, I’m I’m on a deck chair. Oh yeah, that must make a huge difference, eh? It’s a pretty stressful watch plan for example last weekend and that top you can see all the boys that are just outside it like it’s it’s a pretty stressful career at the best of times like yeah I mean Jimbo he’s done how good is that yeah shout out to big gym yeah yeah with his uh with his lad on the bag that’s that must be an amazing experience that to uh you know to lose your card and then end up at the grand final needing to win to get back on tour have your son there and and do it I mean that’s why this game is amazing you know it’s from all levels. You know, Jimbo’s been out here for years and like, you know, to lose his card. You don’t know whether he’s going to go down, you know, a different route of like um, you know, commentary or something like that. But, you know, but he still tried, you know what I mean? Stuck in there and give it his all and, you know, he got rewarded for it. So, it’ll be exciting to see him next year. Oh, it’s so good. Um, obviously a great friend of the podcast and, uh, you’ll probably be well aware that last time we were here in Abu Dhabi, we sat down with Paul Wearing and Sully. Yeah. And uh Paul drank half the bottle of whiskey in fact on the and I think I think Yeah. And I think that was on the Wednesday and uh he went on to win here. Um so I bet he make it all it’s the magic juice. We’ve actually done pretty well on on past champions which is good. Yeah. No good. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it’s the answer. How is the form? Are you feeling good? Do you do you enter tournaments like this now going right I’m settled. I’ve got my card, but now I need to go one better because it has been a little while since that breakthrough win now, hasn’t it? About 5 years. So, yeah. Yeah. So, it’s, you know, that’s that’s the whole um that’s the whole point with me, you know, I you know, I’ve always I’m brilliant at surviving, you know what I mean? All through my life, like there’s there’s been scenarios in my life, even back to 2019, you know, 100 grand in debt, going to tour school. Me and Lucy just got his first house. um you know and I went to tour school and if I would have missed you know my card I would have been bankrupt co would have hit she would have been you know her business would have been big thing we would have lost the house we would have lost everything um and I got a tour card um a lot of people helped me along the way there but um got a tour card and then come back out and I’ve been on tour since so you go from that to now surviving enough like you want to I want to smash through the glass ceiling strive for more and that’s um my new psychologist that’s what he’s you know trying to get me to tap into is that just surviving isn’t enough and there is more out there and you know that that glass ceiling you can go through it if you really focus on it. Yeah cuz you’re 38 now like you’ve been playing golf for so long and I guess that’s another cool part of the game right is that your story is never quite over and like how do you keep jumping and jumping and jumping because it is tough. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it ain’t going to get any easier, you know, you got young lads coming through, you know, on the tour and stuff and, you know, but but then I just look at people like Justin Rose and, you know, and and and I I look at people like that now and go, “Right, well, what’s he done well?” And, you know, I even ask him when I, you know, I asked him um I believe at Wentworth, you know, what is it that keeps you going? and you know he just said he just loves the practice loves the you know the challenge and he always believes there something you know majors you know when a ma another major you know what I mean so speaking speaking to people like that you know and just finding out what drives them also you know what I mean opens me up to to to you know exploring what I can do and and if I can follow in uh you know a little bit their path but do it my way you know what I mean so because I’m a I’ve always been a sponge you know what I mean ever since being a kid like I get around anybody, you know. I can remember I can remember when I first moved from Lanasher to Yorkshire. Um I was at the golf my golf club Howley Hall uh Southside Leeds and a guy there Danny Dennison and he played he was a really good amateur played the open in 2006. Nice. Um and then he he got on challenge saw one on challenge saw and and all the time that I was watching him practice I were like he’s the bar for me. I’ve got to catch Danny like Danny’s the Danny’s the boy, you know what I mean? So, and that’s all that and anytime that around him, you know, I just wanted to try and extract information from him and stuff like but anybody who was was good, do you know what I mean? I can go back to the early days back in Olden and I, you know, if the pros clubs came up for sale, I’d say to me, “Dad, dad, I’ve got to have these, these are the pros clubs, you know, these are the you know, good stuff.” There’s I mean, there’s loads of bits of stories there about the beginning. Yeah. um just just a student of the game. Just love it, you know? Played with Rory a few week ago, nine holes at Wentworth and I just couldn’t leave him alone. Just wanted to ask questions, you know what I mean? I’m just, you know, I’m just I’m just in intrigued and just want to know how people just gather as much information as I can, but then also I’ve got to believe that, you know, that I’ve got to do it my way and, you know, just, you know, use tools here and there because that’s quite nice to hear. Like we’ve talked to a few golfers over time and some of them don’t love the game of golf. It’s become a job for a lot of players. Like but do you still have that burning love and passion for the game whereas it’s it’s not as much of a job anymore or is it is it hard to get that balance between work and and your childhood passion? Well, there’s this balance. So there’s like when you’re fighting for everything, you feel like it’s life and death. like when you’re fighting for your card and stuff like that, you actually feel like it’s life and death. It isn’t. It isn’t. You know what I mean? But it does feel like that. And every every person in that scenario will feel like, you know, they’re going to lose everything if they lose the card. Yeah. You don’t look at Jimbo, you know what I mean? He’s one example of many that that come, you know, down to Hotel Planet, come back. Do you know what I mean? Um, so but yeah, you just got to so so when it when you feel like it’s life and death, you the love goes away and it becomes a bit of a grind and you know like you’re like you’re doing stuff cuz you have to do it, not cuz you want to do it. Yeah. And then you can you can get a little bit wrapped up in your own situation and stuff like that. So um but yeah, I mean you get like these events and you know next week and the big events where where the best players are. Yeah. you know, that’s that’s the that’s where the love really comes out because you get excited for it. Like, you know, Desert Classic, I love it every year, you know, it’s a great event and I just like it’s the start of the year, you know, and you’re buzzing. Um, so there is that love there, but you do lose it from time to time. It’s a bit like anybody, you know, with with jobs, you know what I mean? Like whatever you do, you know what I mean? A boxer, I’m sure a boxer will get sick of training now and again in training camps, you know, but they’ll love competing on a, you know, on fight night. So, you love your boxing, right? Yeah, I love boxing. Yeah, Prince Nasim Mhammed. Yeah, he is my hero. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Ever since ever since being a kid, um all I ever wanted my mom to get me was a leopard skin pair of shorts with the Adidas stripes on. Yeah. Oh, have you got that bit? I haven’t. No. I I speak to um I speak to Naz now and again and Yeah. No, he’s uh he’s got all his shorts locked up. So, yeah. No. Um yeah, I could do a lot of dough on some of them if I could get older. on. But yeah. What does the bullet do outside of golf? What’s sort of some of the things that I guess get you going? Because like it’s great to like love your football, love your boxing, and have distractions, I guess. Right. I just do you know what? I just love being at home. Yeah. Just like I’m just I just love sitting on the sofa at home with my, you know, nice cup of coffee. Have me, you know, Ralph on the side of me, Tommy always sits between me legs and Yeah. Just watch golf. You know what I mean? Yeah. You’re a golf person. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could I’m you know I’m I could watch it all day and play it all day and watch it all night. I’m you know that’s what I’m like. Brilliant. I’ll put it on mute now though. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Commentary commentary does me in a bit. Yeah. When you when you play and you see how hard this game is and then you listen to it. Oh this is an easy chip and you’re like I’ve been there in the past. That’s not an easy chip. I’m like you know it to five foot. Oh that were a bit clumsy. And you’re like it gets in your head. So you’re like that’s not an easy game. Yeah. just stick it on mute and then uh and then get maybe commentate yourself. Sorry. Commentate yourself. No, I bet you it’s quite good at there. Um I would be if you’re good to Yeah. No, I’m uh Yeah, I Yeah, it’s a I suppose it’s a treat. I think if you’re on course commentating, I think it’s a lot easier because you can see the slopes. You can see, you know, what what’s in front of the player. I think when you’re watching it on the TV, you miss the slopes and even commentators will miss the slopes watching on TV and stuff. So, it is a tricky game, but they could be a bit more positive. What’s um to get quite golf nerdy, what are some of the hardest parts of the game of golf for you guys as pros? Like, we sit here at home going, “Oh, I’ve got the shanks. Oh, slicing everything. Coming over the top ry.” Like, what are just some things that you’re like, “This is hard.” Because like you guys make it look bloody easy at the best results. Yeah. Um, there might not be anything, which is a really good sign. What makes it hard? Um, I think I I just think it’s mainly mental. It’s just it’s just the mental side of it. You know what I mean? You can we can all stand on a range and flush it and you know, you know, one yard fade and one yard draws and like, you know, feel like a Tiger 2000. But then when you step out on the track and there’s there’s a bunker or some water there and you, you know, you’re wrestling a snake in a foam box. Then, you know what I mean? like you look like an octopus like this. Um, I just um I just I think I think it’s just a consistency and doing the simple stuff well that that that sometimes you you you over complicate it as a player and you you know you you know and when you look at when you look at the the the the world’s highest ranked players, they do a lot of the simple stuff really really well and really basic and Yeah. And then um yeah, but I don’t finding stuff hard. It’s it’s probably just a mental test of you know um you know looking where you are in a tournament trying to do more and Yeah. It’s just it’s tricky. It’s tricky. Tricky. Well, from what I hear, you made it look easy when you were young. Can you take us through where it all began? Where the journey for the bullet began? Because you picked up a 79 and just striped first crack is what I’m hearing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No way. Um, funny story like my mom and dad, so my dad’s from Huddersfield, so from a place called Scalman Thorp in Huddersfield. My mom’s from um, Wateroot in Rosundale, which is probably about an hour and 10 from each other. So they’ve got the long distance. Yeah. So you got you got Manchester here, you’ve got you’ve got Leads here, Hersfield’s like here, and then Rosendale’s like here. Yeah. Yeah. So they used to travel both travel 30 to 40 minutes to Olden Olden Market which is like just near Manchester 20 minutes from Manchester and they both met on Olden Market. So I was brought up on the market with my mom and dad like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just like I still go to the same barbers now that I’ve been going all my life. Um yeah. And you know my barber Patrick he always he says you know I can always remember when you were this big walking around you know getting up to mischief on the market. Feel like you could make a TV show out of that sort of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it were very very much like Rodney Delbor you know like holding Phil’s horses kind of characters and stuff like that. Well so you’ve gone a bloody long way about telling me about the seven. Oh right here. I mean yeah I mean put on this pawn card for a while like you know what I mean? gray hairs might start coming through. No. Yeah. So, anyway, that’s how that’s how we that’s how my mom and dad met. And then my dad moved over to to Rosendale um where my mom was from. Yeah. Um and we lived on a farm. It was a like a non-working farm, but a massive farmhouse, lovely house overlooking Rosundelle. Um, and yeah, I I I think my we had a quad like a farming quad to get around and stuff. Is it bad that I’m visualizing Emmaale? Uh, no. No. So, yes, similar. Yeah. Yeah. But not Yorkshire. Lancasher. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. And and I think Yeah. my quad weren’t working. But me dad had these set of golf clubs that he’d got from that they want is the um he basically someone owed him some money for some carpets. So he’s gone round to the house and said, “Give me my money. Give me the money for the carpets.” And he’s the guy said, “No, I haven’t got it.” So he said, “Right, we’ve got a set of golf clubs here. I’ll take them. When you bring the money for the carpet, you can have your golf clubs back.” But me dad obviously didn’t have a clue. They they they want the best uh golf clubs like they were set of blades like you know they were um so he’s just laughing away going. Yeah. Take the golf club. I think he’s got a few few quid here with with his golf clubs. But um so yeah. So so we ended up I ended up watching the um the 1999 Open. Yeah. Right. With Jean Vandervel. And I thought that looks uh at Kusti. Yeah. Yeah. That looks that looks all right. That looks interesting that game. And then I watched the PGA Championship because I’m one of them on once something got my eye. I’m like So then watch the PGA Championship with Garcia where he jumps against Tiger. Yeah. And I’m like, “Oh, this looks mega.” And so anyway, the the next Sunday or that Sunday or whenever it was that it would have been the next Sunday, I’ve gone out and I’ve picked these golf clubs up. I’ve gone up into the field and I’ve I swear to God I’ve no one’s ever taught it me, but I just gripped it interlock. You’ve gone interlock. weird. I don’t know whether I saw it on the TV. I can’t I can’t quite remember whether I saw it on TV where I’ve got this 79 and I’ve just gone wham and I’ve flushed it arrow straight and it’s just gone and I’ve gone hot is that like I’m like I get goosebumps thinking about it now. I can remember it what brick it came down on in the field and I’m like I was just like I was like what is that? Like I’ve just gone bang and I’m like next. So then I’m just I mean I started slicing it and hooking it and stuff but I never missed it. I never missed the golf ball. Always struck it and then Yeah. And then me dad saw me with these clubs went mental. Get off you. You’re not using them that you know that guy’s going to come for the money. You’re going to ruin them. You know you’re an idiot. I’m like but at this time like my mom was uh my mom was ill with cancer at the time. Um, so like my dad didn’t really and my dad’s friend kept coming around to give him a hand to look after my mom and stuff and and I kept sneaking out of these golf clubs and it was actually I think it might have been Michael his friend who said, “Oh, I didn’t know your Marcus played golf.” He went, “He don’t, does he? He’s not out there again, is he?” And uh he says he says, “Hang on a minute, Phyllis. He’s really good here.” You know? Um and then and then my mom said, “Look, I think you should take Marcus to the golf club.” Brilliant. Yeah. And then you were selftaught like you didn’t have a coach for ages. You just kept going and going and going. You got addicted. Yeah. So what so what happened is we ended up going to Olden Golf Club um just because it was like I mean it’s half an hour from our our house but it was just near to the market. So we went there on a Sunday and we turned up there a guy called John John Beverly and uh there’s like a junior open on like five quid to enter and the guy says oh what’s your handicap? And my dad went he’s not handicapped. like we didn’t have a clue. You know what I mean? I just had no idea about golf at all. Got plenty of ideas. And yeah. Yeah. So anyway, since No, no, I don’t mean that. Sorry. You know. Anyway, we end up playing nine holes of this um junior comp and I think I came tied first, but I didn’t have an handicap so I couldn’t win it. And then we ended up joining Olden Golf Club and Yeah. Outstanding. And then then and obviously sadly I lost my mom then uh in 2001 March of 2001 um she passed away and and then I just like I left school straight away. I couldn’t handle school at all after after that I was just like I just had no interest in school. All I wanted to do would be on the golf course and practice. Don’t know how my dad got away with it right away but And you Yeah. How did he get away with it? Was he driving you everywhere like No. So what he’d do is we he he pick we we drive drop me off at the golf club at 8:00 a.m. in the morning. Yeah. He’d go on the market all day, sell the carpets, and then he’d pick me up at night time, 6:00 at night, and then we’d walk we’d drive around, do the deliveries, and then we go back home. I’d watch golf all night and then do the same the next day. And it was just all, you know, I had little bits of coaching here and there, but it all pretty much I taught myself how to do it all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it seems to have worked out pretty well. Yeah. I mean, there was one guy at the Oldm Golf Club, and I can I’ll never forget him. Guy called Alan Squire’s is um he’ll be knocking on a bit now, but he uh he was the best. He was the best at the golf club, one of the best in Lanasher. Um and I can remember thinking, “Oh, I’ve got to get my name down.” This goes back to me just wanting to be around good players. And I can remember, I’ve got to get my name down with this Allen Squire because he’s the best and he’s like won the club championship like 10 times or whatever. I might. He’s the guy. So anyway, plays with him, shoots my undercap. I’m about six something. Shoots my hand under cap, comes off. I says, Al, what do you think? I’m only a kid at the time. He goes, I think you’re useless. Straight into you. I like what? He went that big jaw that you hit. Horrendous. This is shocking. You can’t get anywhere. He says, you need to hit it that way. Well, I in bits. So he’s left and I started crying. Me dad’s turned up and he’s like, what’s up? me. I says, “Why? How did it go?” I says, “Well,” he says, “I’m useless.” I’m like, “Terry and all that.” And he’s like, “Where is he? I’m going to fill him in.” I said, “Oh, no. It’s all right.” Unbeknown to to me. I then for the next two weeks, I’m on the range just coming over the top of it. I know he’s slicing everything, right? He’s got So, so then I see his name on the board again, writes it down. I thought, I’m going to show him. Watch this. Right. So gets on the 30, plays with him, hits everything left to right, right all the way around. Shoots me handicap again, right? Comes off a bit cocky. I go, “Well, what do you think about that now, Al?” And he go, “You’re put in shocking, mate.” I’m just like, “At that point, at that point, that point, you got to stay away from this guy.” Yeah. Yeah. At that point, I’m just like he’s a You know what I mean? Anyway, what happens then? Next week, I’m on the putting green. Where’s one of the practice putting greens out? Just totally wore it out just because I was just on there just practicing pace puts. And then I’ll actually come up to me and said he went one day he said, “Oh, come on.” He said, “I’ll take you out on the course and show you some stuff now.” And I’m like, I’m I’m all right, Al. I says, you know, you know, he says, look, he said, listen, he went, I wanted to see what type of lad you was. He went, and if you’re worth my time. He went, and he said, you’re an amazing lad. A and he went out showed me loads of short game shots and I still go and see him now and again, you know, he he is at Saddleworth Golf Club. Yeah. And he um yeah, every time I go up, he’ll get, you know, 20 or 30 members and they come, it’s like a big match. I haven’t done it for a couple of years, but he uh it’s good to see him. Nice. And so, how did the journey go, I guess, from from being young and good and talented and hitting it both ways uh to to becoming a pro? because um obviously like once you start getting to that stage things get interesting. How was the journey from amateur to pro and then obviously the Euro pro tour onto the hotel planet or can you sort of briefly run us through that chapter because uh it’s a bit of a roller coaster, isn’t it? Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean um I mean I I was okay as an amateur like I I won Lancaster Boys when I were um 16 17 but then I didn’t really do anything after that. I was a sponge at everything and you know I was just relying on talent and yeah it want it yeah I struggled a little bit but then I was just like my dad obviously the market went really downhill I’d you know I think he came off the market I’m not sure what year but you know at that point I were like I need to turn pro I need to earn some money yeah or try and earn some money um so yeah I started on all the mini tours around Manchester 1836 tour there’s the players tour it was back then and you know, you you put your 300 quid in and go and try and win five, six hundred quid, you know, or whatever it was. It might have been a thousand or 2,000 at the time. So, yeah. And I uh I played a lot of that, you know, them tours for for for quite a long time. Um and then and then I ended up on the you on the you got the Hotel Planet tour. Yeah. You got your breakthrough win there. Uh was that 2016? That was 2016. Yeah. In China. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah, but prior to that, I I got on there through the Euro Pro Tour. Yeah, I had a couple of rough years around 2010 to 2012, like, you know, outside of golf. Um, yeah, went down a bit of a bit of a dark path there. Um, but, you know, that’s I I still I don’t regret any of it because it molds me to, you know, it’s it’s a part of my journey that that bit. I don’t really want to go into it, but um, so I came out of that and, you know, I started again on the mini tours back in 2013. And then I rung a friend and I said uh I said, “Oh, I actually there’s a there’s another story.” So me and my dad, we had no money, hardly any money at all. And in 2013, I said to me dad, “Look, if we can go down and get a Euro Pro Tour card, I think we can either like just give up all the winnings that we can win just to go and play on there.” I said, “I I’ll find some way.” I said, “But we need But we couldn’t afford accommodation, right?” So we went down in March, I think it was, or February, uh, to Oxford to Filford Heath and we slept in a tent. Oh my god. At Euro Pro Tour School. Wow. Right. So um, we get start it was freezing like and I was smoking. It’s cold indoors. Yeah. Yeah. I I was smoking at the time. My friend Alex Bell, he he’d put um he’d put 40 quid in my bushnull thing and he said to me, he said, “Oh, if you spend it on cigarettes, you deserve to do rubbish.” But if you spend on some, you know, um it’s worthwhile. All the best, mate. So that night, I think I shot about three or four over the first round. And then that night, we I found that money and I went we went to Argos. We bought these two big quilts, one for me, one for me dad. Nice. Right. And we went back in the tent and I got wrapped up in this quilt and I slept like a log. You know what I mean? It’s like like a log. Got up the next day, six under. Bang. Anyway, gets a gets a Euro Pro tour card, right? From from staying in a tent. Yeah, that’s so cool. It’s amazing those stories that you don’t hear about how tough it can be. That’s awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and then and then then I went on the mini tours and I was winning like I think I might have won five or six of the mini like the one day events. Yeah. And then I said to uh I said to one of my friends, I said, “Listen, if I go to um Euro Pro uh in in Ireland, will you pay uh will you pay for me to go all my expenses and I’ll give you half the winnings if I you know of whatever I win plus what you give me back?” So we went um Yeah. So his him and his friend um did it for me. I went to Ireland and won. They literally So they’re literally gambling on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Practically. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I think they paid like 1,600 quid or whatever. Great. I went there, you know, played one. So I won 10 grand. Um Oh, that’s a great result. Great return ROI. Well, yeah. Yeah. I think they got 6,000 6 and a half thousand back and I got But you know, I got three and a half thousand. So I were like I were buzzing because it wasn’t just that. It was it opened up the doors to me being on the Euro Pro tour and me being you know what I mean? So like they’re the um the risks you have to take. Yeah. Yeah. They’re the they’re obviously like the the the things that you know that it’s not about the money at that point. It is cuz you’re struggling and you got no money, but you’ve got to see past it. You’ve got to go well if I can get status and I can get you know to a level here the money will come in time as a byproduct. Yeah. So yeah. Um and then so from there that propels you to the hotel planner tour. No, no, that didn’t that. So then what did the end of that sequence? The back end of that that year I met um I met um a fella uh guy called Anthony She thought you were going to say you met your wife. I met a fella. Oh no, no, no. I still haven’t got to Lucy. Yeah. No, we’ll get to her. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m best friends with her at this time. Yeah. So I’m lining up the friend zone. Lining it up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I’m lining it up. Well, you’re sleeping out of a tent, mate. So, she’s probably keeping you in the friend zone for Yeah. Yeah. So, so you’ve met a fella. Yeah. So, I met a fellow Anthony She think his older brother used to teach on tour back in the 90s, Dennis She. Um, and it, you know, it transformed my outlook on on the game and, you know, goal swing and stuff like that. Transformed, you know, the way that I see it and and my knowledge of it. It gave me a lot of knowledge going forward um that I haven’t been that I hadn’t seen before. totally different way of of teaching, you know what I mean? Um, so I saw him and then um yeah, I I then had a average 2014 2015 then I win and that’s when I get with Lucy. So she’s got to take a bit of credit here, you I get with Lucy and um and I win twice on the the uh Euro Pro Tour and then that gets me on Hotel Planner and then Yeah. And then it just keeps going. It just keeps going. Um and then so you’ve gone Hotel Planet Tour and then you’ve successfully you’ve won there and then you’ve got your European tour card for the first time. Can you after all that the living in a tent, you know, your dad getting golf clubs, swapping it for carpet, all these amazing little stories. Can you describe the emotion of getting your European tour card for the first time? Um, yeah. I mean, it’s amazing. It’s like Yeah, but the Yeah, it’s like it’s amazing, but when I look back at it now, I feel a bit sad for myself. Yeah. I feel a bit because at the time I didn’t I didn’t go, oh, I’ve got a tour card. I’m going to go and do this. I got a I got a tour card going, how lucky am I? Like just enjoy this cuz it’s going to get taken away from you. Like we like a weird thing like like I I got there and then I were like I just didn’t believe I were good enough to be there. I’m like I’m just lucky to be here. Like what? Imposter syndrome. Yeah. like imposter syndrome massively. Then I’m like joking around and I got a picture I think I was looking last night with Lacy actually I had a picture with like Lazabal um Ret Goose and you know Rory I’ve got Rory when Stormmy had just beat him uh down in South Africa. I mean amazing from Rory to have a picture with me after just losing a playoff you know. Yeah. Yeah. any chance, Rory. You know what I mean? Oh, cheers, mate. Just lost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Justin Rose. He had his uh he had his gold medal in in Hong Kong and I got all of it. I said, “Oh, it looks like a giant chocolate coin.” He’s looking at me thinking, “Who is this kid?” You know, guys, I see everyone like Tiger Met Tiger. Um Did you get his autograph on here? Oh, yeah. I wore a red shirt at Desert Classic. His Nike red shirt. And I’ve got it framed at home and it’s got um it’s got I got him to sign it here. Did you whilst you were wearing it? Yeah, whilst I were wearing it, I’ve got a picture of it. Yeah. Yeah. Funny story. So, I’m playing with Sam Walker. We’re out on the course and I see this guy walking down the eighthole, famous eighth hole at Desert Classic. Cool. I’m thinking and and everyone’s always winding me up like because they know what I’m like. So, and Sam Walker goes, “That’s Joel Lar that mate.” So, so I’ve gone know it in. I says, “Noing.” I said, “It’s Joel Carver.” I think we were playing with Rocky at the time as well and like I went, “Hey,” I said, “It’s so anyway Joel Carver walks on the T.” I said, “Hey, Joel, when’s the big cat getting in here?” Like straight away I’m about Tiger Straight. And he’s like, “Well, he’s due to be here at 10 12.” So after 9 hours, I was straight in just waiting on the range, waiting for Tiger to come on. But that’s what that’s what I mean when I look back. It’s funny now when I look back at it, but I like I look back at it and think be a little bit distracted. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit sad that I want there thinking preparing to win a goal. So, I mean, I didn’t get in that week. I was first reserved, but yeah, you know, Tiger walked on the range. I straight over next to him. I threw me balls down. They went all over the It hit him on the heels. I’m like, “Oh no, this is going bad straight off here. Tiger’s going to think I’m, you know, you’ll see an idiot.” Yeah. Um, and then you know, you know, I clicked a few and then I was straight. As soon as I saw an angle, I was straight in. So he’s turn he’s turned around just sort of yarn into his caddy, you know, maybe just stretching. You’re like boom. Yeah. Yeah. Straight in. Straight in. Yeah. All right. I’m Marcus, you know. Brilliant. Like Yeah. Like one here. Any chance you got it? Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. So yeah, but I’ve still got it at home. Yeah. I’ll try and get a photo of that off you. That’s great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s um Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, but then but then obviously I lost my card. Well, that’s that’s the um I guess the other end of the angle, isn’t it? Like you go from the euphoria and the excitement and being a little kid to going, “Oh, okay. Real life just kicked me in the butt here and you had to drop back down.” Yeah. And and to be fair, you know, when I look back at it now, it actually hap what what I feared was it actually happened, you know, because I went from there back on to Challenge, well, Hotel Planet Tour um for 18 and then 19 I played terrible. We just got our first house, me and Lucy, and like we’re struggling for bills. I were playing off a credit card. Um there were management group that had shafted me a few years before. So like I was like 70 grand in debt there. Um my car got stolen. I had the wrong insurance so they won’t pay out. So I was 30 grand in debt from that. Right. And I was I was just a mess. I was just I’d sold shares in myself at like 100 quid a share. And I would like car got broken into in Spain. All my stuff taken. Like I was just I don’t know. It’s just a weird it bad year 2019. Everything that went wrong. everything just hit me and do you know what I stuck at it. I stuck strong and um yeah I I couldn’t afford to go to T school. So what I did is I went to the bank and because it hadn’t really caught up with like my fact they hadn’t really cottoned on at the bank that I was struggling really bad and I said I need I I took a business loan for a Trackman. Right. Right. Uh, I mean, I might get in trouble here, but but I took a business for a Trackman, but I didn’t get a Trackman. I entered tour school instead, right? So, I got the business loan, but I just used it a different way. Pay the business loan back. So, I think everything’s all right. That’s right. I think you’re all clear. And yes, I went to tour school, got my tour card back. Brilliant. But then I didn’t have any money to travel. I were I was I was Skint and you know uh Robert Rock and um and Sam Walker helped me out a lot there. Sam paid for my caddy and and and Rocky played for my flights. Awesome. Rocky was um yeah were amazing there. How how how nice was that like cuz that’s a hell of a gesture and you know. Yeah. But you know he did it the right way as well. He he you know he did it. He says listen he said you know he says you he said I’ll tell you when you can pay me back. He went cuz he knew how much debt I were in. I in about 90 odd grand worth of debt and I I can remember going out to Leopard Creek first event and I were up there after three rounds. I like sixth and I’m just counting the money. I’m like but I’ve got one round to go here. Idiot. I’m just counting the money thinking. I’m just like yeah, you know spending it before it’s even coming. And I went out that last day. I couldn’t sleep that night. Went out that last day and I think I shot 82 or something. Oh my god. I was, you know, I were like, but you know what? I think I won about 8,300 euro and it felt like a million quid. Yeah. It were like it I’ve never felt like more money’s hit my account. Um but you know, and but then and then over that Christmas, I met some guys from the local golf club near me. I trying to get sponsors in, trying to pull everything in. And get a bit emotional. I always get emotional with this story. It’s mad. And um a guy called uh Dave Kernahan and Mark Rowan and I was struggling, you know, me and Lucy were struggling. And I went to meet these guys and they sat me down and they said, “Look, I want to give you 50 grand and uh” and they were like, “I’ve heard it a load, you know, I’ve heard it so many times, but we want a percentage of your earnings.” So I said, “Not a problem.” you know, and I can I always remember Dave and Mark putting their arm around me and saying the struggle over, kid. Wow. And I like I can’t I still I still feel it today. You know what I mean? I’ll never forget that day. Um and I come out South Africa. First event out finished third. Yeah. I hold the pot on the last 12 footer. Got me in Abu Dhabi. got me in the open. Um, and I’ll just never like never forget it. I think I won about 70 grand and I like Yeah. Just like just like they lifted this weight off me. This this thing that I just like I’m in the, you know, in the trenches and everything’s a battle and everything’s a you know what I mean? And I give Yeah. Yeah. I might give them a percentage of me winnings, but I’ve never been scared of doing that. I’ve never because it’s all about it’s all about just playing golf. Do you know what I mean? And when you’re when you’re trying to survive, you’re not just playing golf anymore, are you? You’re desperately desperately trying to survive rather than just having fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He’s just desperate to to keep going and to keep not giving and not, you know, and uh Yeah. And then everything’s just, you know, obviously CO happened and everything, but it I was talking about that the other day and, you know, CO I I think there’s a lot of blessings in disguise with CO. Like I think there’s not many times that you get to just sit at home and that have like no golf going on and just being and just being normal because you were just constantly on the go. So this week I’ll finish, next week I’ll start, next week will finish, then all of a sudden it’ll be Australia. Like so you’re always thinking about the next thing, the next thing, the next thing. And I think COVID was a toy time and and a a bad time for a lot of people, but I do also think there was a time where everyone could just press pause on the live and just be, you know what I mean, just be there. And and I think that did me a world of good. And obviously I just had the good finish and the sponsorship from Mark and Dave. And you know, so life had just took a massive turn. And I’d gone into co in a good way. So I can also understand that if life for other people have turned the other way, going into co and not being able to get out of it is obviously um is is a bit tougher, but Oh, cheers to Yeah. Mark and David. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mark and Dave. Yeah. Good stuff. And how crazy is it like I guess now that you’re where you are today like looking back at at those scenarios and like knowing how proud your mom would have been to see where you are now. Like I’m sure your your old man like you’re looking after your old man and everyone like that. That must be pretty cool. Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a funny one because I I’ve made it but I haven’t made it. Yeah. I’m no I’m nowhere near made it. Yeah. You know what I mean? like I’m I’ve but I’m here. I’m on the stage. I’m on the stage. I’ve I’ve I’ve kind of made it for the from from the kid on the market, you know, that um you’re a little hero back home in your market. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, from that kid on the market to to where I am now. It’s an amazing life that I live, you know, travel the world. I’ve been to some amazing places. I’m doing the sport that I’ve I’ve loved for years. Um but, you know, I sit here and I go, “Well, hang on a minute here. We’re We’re only here. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like this, you know, Adam Scott’s got a private jet of his own. You know what I mean? Like that’s made it. You know what I mean? So sometimes your dad, you know, sometimes your dad comes with a hand out and that, you know, I have to hold back a little bit because, you know, I haven’t I haven’t made that, you know, I I ain’t made the multi multi-millions yet to to be secure for the rest of me life. If it all stopped tomorrow, I’d be back on the building site. Concrete grinding, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or is that the trade of choice? Well, that’s what I did. You know, I used to do um before that year in 2016, I used to go concrete grinding through the winter. Oh, brilliant. Yeah. I mean, on them angle grinders on all the huelet packards and places like that, all the warehouses that I did, you know. Um Yeah. But that’s that’s where I’ll be tomorrow, you know what I mean? I’d be back on the building site or doing something like that to uh to get by. So, until until I’ve uh until I’ve made enough that I don’t have to do that, that that’s when I’ve made it. Yeah. And I guess like a small chapter of that is not only getting on tour, but we skipped past your breakthrough victory, which obviously that interview went went viral because of your Yeah, we crying. Like I was about the sponsorship then, but such a pretty crier. Yeah. Um but like that like can you talk us through it now that you look back at it and there obviously some amazing motion emotions you dedic dedicated it to mom obviously like uh that’s obvious not not when you’ve made it but that’s must have felt like I’ belong here now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well yeah just it’s just more evidence that you you know what I mean that you you know um that you do belong on tour and you know um yeah I mean it’s just it’s just amazing. a bizarre bizarre way to win. You know, it wouldn’t be my golf course of choice, Green Eagle. But, you know, I just just had that fantastic day there and um well, I had a fantastic week there, but you know, we were um it were brilliant. But, you know, it’s not enough. It’s never enough. You always want more. You always want, you know, I don’t just want to be, you know, one time winner and tour. I want to be multiple. I want to, you know what I mean? I want to I want as many as I can get. Yeah. It’s like we we interviewed Alex Nin like last year and and I’m like, “Mate, if you retire now, you’re all good.” He’s like, “No, I’m fuming.” And he’s like achieved heaps and and he’s what? He’s won twice since then or something and it’s like, “Oh, he’s like like you’re never quite satisfied, are you as a golfer?” No. No, you’re not. You’re uh you’re always you always want more. You know what I mean? It’s like it’s like any you know what I mean? It’s like anything. But winning’s some there’s something addictive about it. It’s like it’s you just get in the mix and you go you feel alive. You’re like, you know, this is you you realize why you play it, why you play the game. It’s like a Yeah. You get into contention. It’s not It’s not You know what I mean? It’s being in contention and being up there with in the biggest tournaments at the best times. Like it’s it it just makes you feel alive and like Yeah. Like how would you describe that to plunkers like me who have never been close to that extremely tight tip of the leaderboard? What is that an like not anxiety but that extreme excitement with three or four holes to play? Like what is that? What are the juices like? Well, it’s a weird one because you’ve got you’ve got you’ve got you’ve got excitement, you’ve got fear, you’ve got you’ve got every emotion, you know what I mean? I could mess this up. Like I did it France this year, chipped it in the water, you know what I mean? But I had a go at it. So I’m like it’s like it’s like this emotional roller coaster. You’re like, well, you got to have a go at it. You got to give it a go. Then you shifting in one, you go, “Oh, no.” Like what? But then you It’s just I It’s such a um suppose gambling gets close to it. I suppose like on the roulette machine if you’ve got you know what I mean like you know if you got your last 100 quid there on the on the roulette machine and you’re like I suppose that gets close to it but I don’t really condone that. You know number 23 here we go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 17 if you 17. Okay. Um, but yeah, I I don’t um, yeah, I suppose I suppose that that’s the closest thing you can get to it. It’s it’s it’s just it’s everything. It’s everything. So, you it’s all the doubt that you have in yourself, but then you pull off the shot and then you’re like, why was I ever doubting that? Look how good I am. Like, but then you hit the next shot and you’re, oh no, it’s all going sideways here. Have you ever got like the the genuine like speed wobble yip like yippies almost like oh I talk about all the time it’s it’s like it’s like holding a rattlesnakes in the phone box. You know what I mean? You’re like you’re like that but then but then you just overcome it. You just you just focus on what you need to focus on cuz everyone’s the same. Yeah. You know what I mean? There’s just everyone’s everyone feels nerves. Everyone like you know gets it’s excitement really. It’s whether you can control that excitement. Do you know what I mean? Because it if you didn’t get if you want excitement then if you didn’t have that the game would just be it’ be it’d be nothing would it be like I suppose it’s like a boxer when he’s going into the ring it’s like he must be like thinking oh you know what I mean but you just got to picture it and and just visualize it and get it all right in your head and just go right okay well everyone’s going to feel like this. I mean, watching Rory this year at the at the Masters, I mean, incredible what he did. I’ve never heard his voice, by the way, in that manner down 17 when he hit that eight iron. The sheer you could hear the panic and not the panic in his voice, but the like a bit of a desperation go like he’s like and it was unbelievable goal shot. So, like we all feel it but just a lot a you know someone like Rory has just done done you know come over the line a lot of the time. Oh, that that round of golf alone would have been emotionally draining. E like wow, what a roller coaster. Yeah. I mean that pitch on 13 and stuff like that where he pitched just bizarre, isn’t it? Like he he could stand there and it 100 balls and not chip it in the pitch it in the water, but it just the scenario and the the excitement and everything, you know, chips in the water, but then does an amazing job of coming back and winning. So, it’s Yeah, it’s amazing game. Is it pretty cool watching someone like Rory like we all do and go you know grand slammer all that drama and then you’re like oh I just played nine holes with him the other day. Oh yeah. Yeah. I sit there me and I go is this right? Like obviously I’ve known Tommy for a long time. So like Tom I can remember meeting Tommy I think he was 13 uh at Wallacey Golf Club. Lovely golf club. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant place. I think it were the boys six six best boys or something. I think Tommy was there just like um I don’t I can’t quite remember who we were playing or whether he was there just trying to you know take in what it was all about. Um but yeah, I mean it were incredible and he hasn’t changed from that day. Nice like all the way up to to to to yesterday uh when I played nine holes with him. like he’s he’s never ch he’s just he’s just got better and better and better and he’s you know he’s just the person I’m I’m a massive Tommy fan and yeah yeah we’re looking forward to having him half yesterday as well on the Oh okay so we got a rematch next Monday or Tuesday nice awesome okay you’re in good form then yeah yeah yeah um and look it would be remiss not to um you know mention through all this you’ve um you know let’s imagine uh your beautiful partners in the room right now like What a what an amazing I guess relationship and story you guys have had. How important is your support outside the ropes um throughout not only golf but everything over the last decade or so. Yeah, I mean um Luc is um she’s she’s a she’s a special woman. She’s um you know we were best mates for five or six years before we got together. Um and yeah, I mean she’s funny. She’s I mean she puts me in the in my place and we need that. We need that. I think I’m the boss and then she’ll just do that and I’ll be like, “Oh, gone too far.” What do you think annoys her the most at home? A dayto-day thing, you know, like is it leaving the dishes? Like what’s one thing that you know you’re in deep if you get? Yeah. No. Well, I I don’t get in deep, but I think throwing a towel on the floor when I’ve been in the shower. Yeah. I mean I mean I mean hotels I’m used to hotels. I’ll just come out. I’ll just lo it anywhere. And she’s like, she just has a fit. Like she’s like, “Stop it with these towels.” Like, you know, or um or the other one is when I’ve had a coffee, just leaving the coffee on the side, the coffee cup. And I’m like, “Room service going to come down and sort out.” She’s like, but yeah, she uh Yeah. No, I um I you know, she she’s she’s great with me cuz I just love you know, I love taking a mick and Yeah. You know what I mean? So, I’m like I’m trying to think what she text me the other week. Um something about the dishes and I went, “Well, surely the maid’s going to come around and sort the dishes out.” And she went, “I will throw you out.” Yeah. Yeah. You stay with the dogs if you carry on. And I’m like, “Oh, gone a bit too far there.” But she’s um yeah, she’s brilliant, you know what I mean? She looks after the dog. She she she runs her own business. Um you know, she’s got a beauty business, you know, and she juggles all that and, you know, and supports me at the same time, you know, does an amazing job at the house and, you know, just Yeah. Honestly, like it doesn’t feel like we’ve been together 11 years. It feels like we’ve been together two minutes and uh I just love spending time with her and yeah, just going to phone a friend for a second here. Um, hey Lucy, when did he get himself in trouble? CR with Jack. Oh, right. What did I do there? Did you pull his chair out? Did you pull Jack’s chair out as a joke? What do you fall for? Yeah. I can’t I’ve got such a bad memory, mate. Honestly, honestly, couple in the restaurant. They’re really good friends. Oh, right. Yeah. Well, I’ve done that. So, Jack must have been coming around and sitting. I think I remember it now. Jack was sitting on a table near us and as he’s gone to sit down, pulled the chair off the chair. That’s a cruel one. Thinking that he’s going to get hold of the chair and pull it under him, but he he’s just gone like that to sit down. I’ve pulled the chair and he’s ended up on the floor. That’s Yeah, that’s Yeah, that would be I but I’m straight in and apologize. I don’t I don’t I’m not that stubborn. I’m not lost. Oh, very good. Uh, and look, I guess I love sort of finishing on positive notes and look to look to the future, you know, to the future. Yeah. Um, so if we were sitting here enjoying a big bottle of Buffalo Trace and let’s say 20 years time, what would be a satisfying career for you? What do you need in the next 20 years to be able to sit back and go, I’ve done bloody well here. I’m I’m extremely satisfied. Yeah. Um I think I’ve just got want to, you know, be a multiple winner and um and be in the top 50 in the world for a period of time, you know what I mean? Uh and just to play every big tournament that’s ever been played on this planet and I want to, you know, go and go and play all of them, do you know what I mean? and and have a few years of playing them to see if I can give myself a good opportunity of winning one, you know. Um so yeah, I think um yeah, just just to be a you know, world’s top 50 player and you know, multiple winner because you’ve played four majors now, three opens and a US Open. Yeah. It’s just scratching the surface, isn’t it? It’s not quite enough. No, because um you’ve made two of those cuts, but what does it take or like how hard is it to get into those majors? Yeah, I mean it’s tough. I mean, I think the Open’s probably the the one that you know more more more people have played than than any you obviously US Open as well, but um yeah, to go and play the Masters and you know you know all of I mean the Masters is just I know I you know I love the Open but there’s something about the Masters in there. The same golf course America green jacket like I’m I’m a big Masters fan so I’m like I I you know if we’re having this conversation with Tommy Tommy would be like it’s got to be the Open. And be like no it’s got to be the Masters. So you know you know we’d have a good argument at that as well me and Tommy. But um yeah, I um yeah, I just love to play play multiple masters, multiple winner. Um but yeah, just yeah, just just just smash through that glass ceiling and see how far I can go. You know what I mean? Like I’ve done what I’ve done up to now, not believing I could do it, you know, and I don’t want to carry on not believing. I want to I want to believe I can do something. And then you know the ultimate one that’s in my brain at the moment is is is 2027 RD Cup D Mana. Wow. That is like that is it. That is the that is like the holy grail. You know one of my one of my good friends um he got married there. I made the mistake of not going to his wedding. I I played cran instead and I was probably one of the only regrets in my career. Should have gone to the wedding at a dare manner but he’s going to be there. he’s going to have a bit of hospitality and uh to be playing in that is like that’s like a holy grail. So, and have you set out stages and phases to get there yet or is it kind of in the planning stages like it’s like how do I get there? Well, it’s in the planning stages. So, you know, the the the first thing really would be you need to get into America as quick as possible, right? because you need them points. You need them, you know, you need that bigger stage to to show the captain or you know, you know, or you need the bigger point stages to to, you know, to earn the points to get um you know, to to qualify. So, they’re um you know, hopefully I can step towards that these next two weeks and then uh yeah, we’ll see. After just coming back from New York, do you think uh what would you what do you think you’d be like on the first day? Yeah. You know, I think I’d Yeah. Rattlesnakes and eyes. Yeah. But, you know, you’d be leapping that out. It’s what we live for. Yeah. It’s what we live for. You know what I mean? If it were, if there were no feeling like that, then why why would we do it? We want to feel alive. We want to feel the energy. We want to feel the And we want to test ourselves. We want to see if we can pull it off. Like, cuz if you don’t get into them positions, you don’t feel like that, you’ll never know. Yeah. So, let’s get in there and let’s get in there. Let’s get boxing. I like that cuz like throw the punches. Don’t wait to be wait for the punches to be thrown at you cuz golf’s a funny game, right? You you can’t control what your opponent does. No. But then there’s also this sort of Tiger 2000 this like in like there’s got to be something where you can flex a little bit like because you want to be dominant and you want to beat this person next to you. I don’t care if it’s Rory. It’s like I’m gonna beat this guy and like like how do you like kind of do that without overthinking it? Because like when I’m playing my mates for for a pint, like that’s a like I’m not losing that or like you’re so just in the zone. Yeah. Like I can’t imagine what it’s like when you’re playing at your level, but like Yeah. How do you do it? How do you like intimidate or is there any of that like almost not sledging but like is there anything you can do to like almost intimidate or apart from just hit bloody good golf shots? Yeah. Yeah. You just got that’s that’s the uh that that’s the thing. You just got to hit the good good golf shots. You can you know I think you just end up in them places. You do the right things. you prepare the right right way, you know, and you know, there’ll be weeks where you’ll be on it and you’ll be like and you’ll get in there and then once you’re in there, that’s when the desire comes in and goes, “Right, I’ve got all the summit here.” You’re in a good place. You’re moving in the right way. All right, let’s let’s try and, you know, let’s try and press or, you know, do whatever you need to do that week, you know. But then there’s other weeks where it’s a little bit of a battle and you’ve just got to accept it and go, “All right, well, you know, we’re just we’re just positioning here and we’re just trying to learn and get ready for the weeks where you’re going to be up there.” Well, I’ll give you the tip. I will be watching the leaderboard very closely in the near future for you, mate, because it’s been a true joy to to have this time with you. So, we thank you for coming on and and sharing all your amazing stories. I’m sure there’s plenty more. Um, we might have to do an episode two, but um, Bullet, uh, pleasure to meet you. Thanks for sharing everything and best of luck for the next decade or so cuz I’m sure there’s more to come and I really do hope you break through that glass ceiling. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll be trying with everything that I’ve got. Nice. Good. Cheers, man. To watch another DP World Tour video, click here. And to subscribe, click here.