Matt Colwell thinks that Matt Kuchar is a good person for paying his fill-in caddie $5000 after winning $1.296 million at the 2018 Mayakoba Classic. LIV golf announces they will be playing 72 (LXXI) holes and the Internet Invitational was a banger!
Welcome to episode 26 of the Sundowners Golf Club podcast. Giovanni. We’ve got my Whis co-host Matt Cwell here with me. Matt, how you doing today? Doing good, man. Doing good. Beginning of the week. got those uh you know the cobwebs knocked off after a little weekend, but good week. You know, you’ve got your whiskey over there and I’ve got my wine. I see that. I had an old friend tell me that that real Italians drink whiskey out of wine glasses and wine out of whiskey glasses. So, that’s what I’m up to tonight. There you go. I’ve uh definitely done that myself. You know, I don’t have a good um you know, glass for the for the wine. And I’m not gonna lie to you, I’m very much a uh what does the glass feel like in my hand guy. Sometimes I just You can’t quantify it. Yeah, there’s a as I like to call it a or you know, as Patrick W would say, Jenna Qua, you know. Uh hey, we got some we got some fun stuff to talk about. Um I feel like we the off seasonason for pro golf just kind of came and went. I think their off seasonason’s about five days long. So, um, we had, uh, Rasmus Negard Peterson beating Rory Maroy, uh, on the DP World Tour. Believe it was their tour championship. Um, uh, so shout out to him. We we’ll touch on that a little bit. We had Adam Shank, who I learned today is 33 years old, and I thought he had been on tour for like 20 years. He got his first win at the the Butterfield Bermuda Championship. Um, shout out to him. A few other things. We’ve got uh live golf moving to 72 holes. I think we could have some fun commentary there. There’s a couple things that live changed here, right? I mean, 72 holes, no more shorts. Um that’s all I’m thinking of right now, but I think there’s more. But yeah. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, we we’ll definitely touch on some live stuff. Um, other news we had, uh, at least I was able to finally finish the Internet Invitational after about a cumulative 15 hour viewing experience. Um, lot to talk about there. Um, and then we’re going to bring in uh, one of our newest and favorite segments is uh, our court session with Judge Cwell. Um, so yeah, where where do we want to start? We want to start on the DP World Tour. Yeah, let’s do it. I I uh I sent you a little snippet of the impressiveness that we had to uh uh see from uh Near Guard to make all of that happen. It’s a pretty impressive little run. I say little run, I mean nearly his entire round was just impressive. Well, let let’s uh I’m I’m going to run run you through what you sent me here. This is from Monday Q info. Um says here, “This will never be appreciated enough. Yesterday on the back nine in Dubai Rasmus near Nargard Peterson did the following. So hole 11 he made a 26 foot 5-in putt for birdie. 13 made a sevenfooter to save par. 14 made a 44t 3in putt for eagle. 15 made a 9’3in putt for birdie. 16 two putt from 48 ft for par. 17 made a 4’5 in putt for birdie. 18 hits his second to 18 feet from 250 yards. Two putted from there for birdie. And then it goes on to say, if he hadn’t done if he hadn’t done or made every single one of these shots listed above, he wouldn’t have received his PGA Tour card. But of course, he did and he will be on the PJ tour next season. Um, I think we probably could tell that story um especially this time of year about a dozen guys, right? Think about like the corn ferry tour and that that final week where they’re locking in everybody’s tour cards. Um, it it is fun though. I mean, Rasmus Negard Peterson’s kind of a household nameish. You know, he got talked a lot about um going into the Ryder Cup. Um it’s kind of cool to see him get his flowers. He he wanted a big stage and of course he beat Rory Maroy. Um you know, Rory was kind of doing Rory things like he does on the DP World Tour. Kind of doing everything he needs to do to give himself a chance. And yeah, loved it. That’s uh I mean anytime I get to see uh Rory just get so close, it’s my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Now just I mean it’s it’s the DP World Tour Championship. Admittedly, it’s not something I pay a ton of attention to, but I’m, you know, checking out the leaderboard. But let me just tell you this leaderboard and and and it makes what Rasmus Negard Peterson uh makes what he did even more impressive. Okay, so he finished uh 13 under for the tournament, tied with Rory after 72 holes. Um tied for third, one stroke back is this long list of names. We had Rasmus Hoygard. Um I’m just going to list the notables here. Matt Fitzpatrick, I’ll say Lori Caner is a notable because we know his name from Liv, Tommy Fleetwood, Tier Hatton. So all those guys finish one off the lead. Uh, two off the lead we had Levik Aberg, Justin Rose, Nikolai Hoygard, and then just three off the lead, we had Shane Lowry. Um, and that’s it for notables that were that were in the mix, but he was beating some dogs. Uh, yeah. And it it it uh something else to throw there for people who don’t know Rasmus. Um he’s in the top 100 in official world golf ranking, top 50 in according to daily golf and he’s a top 20 guy, number 15 specifically in the DP world tour. Um, so not quite the uh like you know the the you know little little known guy story so much but that run staring down the barrel against Rory Mroy um always going to be fun regardless of who it is. But especially when it’s somebody who’s trying to get their preachy jeweler card. Yeah. I mean, admittedly, when his name was getting thrown around during the RDER Cup, I I would see his name on the leaderboard only because I’ve heard it, you know, talked about in the media. Uh, so I started to notice a little bit of his game. Uh, but admittedly couldn’t really tell you much about it. But, um, I think a win on that stage against those names, um, yeah, could be awesome for his career, right? He’s going to remember this with quite literally half of the Team Eup Rider Cup team within three strokes of him. So, um, that’s pretty cool to see. Hopefully, we’ll see more out of him. Um, it’s interesting that in the top three there were two Rasmuses or Rasmi. Yeah. What’s the plural of Rasmus? Rasmuses. Rasmai. I don’t know. The Musen and the Mason and the Rasmusens. Yep. Yep. Okay. Um, and then moving on to the PGA Tour. Uh, like I said, we had um Adam Shank get a win. I saw a couple clips of him putting one-handed at times. Gotta do what you got to do, man. Did Did you see this? Yeah. Sometimes you just got to do it, man. Did Did you look into that? Like what’s the story there? I for a second I had to make sure I had to make sure I wasn’t watching episode one of the Internet Invitational. Uh, no. I didn’t like look into and investigate why he was putting one-handed, but I feel like anybody who’s golfed for a couple years knows. I mean, he probably tried it and it worked. He’s like, “You know what? for just rolling this thing out here. Let’s just get this thing done, you know? I’m I’m reading up on it here. Uh I mean, you put left-handed and you’re a right-handed guy, so are you really that much different? Yeah, you’re right. You’re right. I mean, I always tell people it’s it’s it’s cheaper than therapy to switch to left-handed when putting. So, maybe he’s thinking the same thing. you know, just saving himself a copay. Because I’m an expert. Um, and I say that because I’m not. Uh, but when people ask me about like what clubs to get, right? You know, when you’re when you’re the resident singledigit handicapper in the office, right? You are, you know, the guy, right? And so people, what club should I get? What club should I get? And when it gets to putter, I always go, just use the one that you like. If if you like having the putter in your hand, it feels nice, it looks nice, that’s the one that you should use. You know, I feel I’m con I’m convinced putting is such a confidence game more than any other part of your golf game. Um I I feel like if you know you you could use a stick off a tree if that’s the thing that you like hitting, I I’m convinced you could make putts. So, if one-handed or or cross-handed or your hands are even, I I mean, I just I think putting is like what makes you comfortable and happy. Just go do Yeah. I mean, I personally think that actually extends beyond just the putter, but like you’re right, a huge piece of of, you know, what works for you or what doesn’t work for you is is how you feel when you look at it, how you feel when you’re holding it. Um, I mean, heck, I have I have three left-handed putters right now. I use the the one that I first fell in love with when I switched to lefty is the one I use. It’s just totally decorated in lead tape. Um, in fact, it’s it’s kind of the the the neck is kind of loose ever since I flew to Ohio with it one time, and I haven’t fixed it just cuz I like it the way it is. I’ve got two other putters, two gamers, and I’ve putt with them around the house. They’re good. They feel nice. But the second I start thinking about put in my bag, I get the heebie-jebies. So, yeah, I’m uh once you like it, you stick with it. I I’m I’m in the market for for a new putter for no other reason than I just like I just want it. And I’m I go back and forth between finding one that needs a little love and I get to put in the TLC myself and, you know, make it pretty again and and or if I just get a nice new one. Um, I think I’m going to end up doing the one that needs a little TLC and I make it, you know, you know, I make it pretty for Matt’s sake. Uh, but that’s the Wilson 882. I I want one desperately. I think it might be one of the sexiest golf clubs that’s ever been made. Um, so if you see one, let me know. I want it. 8802. The 882. Yeah. Yeah. I’m going to take a look at it here. So, why do you want to get one of those? Uh, it I just love looking at it. Um, I love looking down at it. Um, I love the way it looks at every angle. Um, and when I’ve uh puted with it in the past, um, I just like the weight. I’ll be honest, it looks like one of those chippers that I think got outlawed. You know, it kind of does, but I think it’s gorgeous. I I think it’s a very pretty looking club. Um, and I’m probably going to ease it in. Oh, are we sharing? Oh, there we go. Yeah. So that the top left one specifically, you know, because it’s kind of evolved. Oh, not that one. Not that one, but now the top left one. Yeah, there you go. Oh, here we go. Yeah, that’s kind of a newer variant of it, right? Uh, it’s been around for a while. But, yep, that’s the club. I want one. All right. I could see a game in that. Yep. If Jared’s listening, he remembers Goldie. I had a I don’t know who made the club. The only markings on it was stamped on the bottom. It said 24 karat gold. It wasn’t. And if it is, I’m glad I still have it. Uh but it’s very similar to the 882, but it was a garage sale find. I was like, I just like the fact that it’s ridiculous and gold. Um, and then I met Brandon Squires and I stopped gaming that putter because Yeah, because he’s got the guys in a group of copper looking Scotty. So now I got a Scotty. Yeah. All right. You know, going back to to like golf advice and people asking golf advice, it you’re right. And I don’t even think it’s because you’re a single digit. I think when people find out that you really like golf or every time they they reach out to you, you’re golfing, so they’re just like, “Oh, this guy’s a big golf guy.” And you immediately become the person that they ask questions about, want advice from, they want to hear your thoughts on X, Y, or Z. And uh the big one is is swing tips. You’re playing with someone that’s kind of new and they’re like, “What’s something I could be working on?” And I’m always like, “First and foremost, you do not want to be taking golf lessons from me.” Um, so I don’t want to ruin your entire golf hobby right out the gate. Uh, and two, I don’t know that we’re quite there yet even to start giving giving tips, right? No, we played with some people, played with a guy I worked with and uh, he actually had a good like natural swing. And when he hit it well, he just had a just a fade, like a 10 yard fade. And he kept asking me, he’s like, “God, it’s” He’s like, “I keep slicing it.” And I’m like, “Wait a second.” I go, “What you just hit right there was not a slice. That’s a that’s a that’s a straight ball for for people like us. That’s a straight ball. U and but he couldn’t get over it. He wouldn’t stop asking for advice. And I I would I would throw a couple things out there that’s not going to, you know, mess with this golf game throughout. Just hey, try aiming a little more left, you know, stuff like that. But you you know what I was reading is that this this newer generation of golfers, the fade is what is ideal. They want the fade. Like you and I came up and the draw was like you hit a draw, right? If you were hitting the golf ball correctly, you were hitting a draw. Period. Full stop. Um, and you could cut it if you wanted, but the ball shape, right, was was a draw. But now I was reading that the draw is kind of falling out of favor that like power fades and and cuts are like the ideal shot shape. What do you think of that? How do you feel about that? We Well, we’ve talked about it on this here pod before where um that who was it? The guy that was uh he won the the British AM the kid from I think Oklahoma State. Oh yeah, that’s right. Yeah. He he he doesn’t hit anything but a fade and and they even talked to him about it and he said, “I I don’t know how to hit a draw. I couldn’t if I tried.” Um, and he’s out there winning, you know, serious amateur events. And I think that’s becoming a little bit more common. And that’s not to say that, you know, these guys, they can punch their way around a tree if they have to snap hook something, but I think everybody’s just sticking to a stock shot. That old adage that you say, you know, remove half the course and you’re going to shoot lower scores. So, I think a lot of these guys, they just they just stick to what’s the phrase? Uh, dance with the girl you came with, right? They they just have their shot and that’s their strategy. Well, heck, if you hit it far enough anyway, right, it doesn’t really make a difference. No, I will say, you know, you know, a few I say a few years ago, you know, six, five years ago, um, my bad shots are obviously slices. That’s everybody’s first bad shot, right? is you’re slicing just the crap out of the ball. Um, but then as I started to get a little bit better, like my stock shot was a fade, but because of my age, I was like, well, I’m not hitting the ball right. If I’m hitting a fade, I got to hit a draw. And so, I just like practiced my butt off and now I hit draws. And now that I’m in this place, especially with my irons, and I’ve probably, if we’ve talked about this before, I’ve mentioned on the pod, I’m like, man, I wish my stock shot with my irons, especially was a fade. Like, I would love to be able to be like, okay, got a seven iron in here. I would like to hit, you know, a little 10 yard fade into this. Um, I don’t know why, but in my like mind’s eye when I think about that approach shot, the cleaner approach is a cut. I just don’t know how I can’t do it. And so that do but if I could pick I don’t know why, but that’s what I’d want. But it’s gone. We’re going to be do it again. Yeah. I my golf game I I usually don’t know if I’m hitting a draw or fade until my first round of the new season. I show up and I go, “All right, looks like it’s going to be a draw year.” Draw season, baby. Yep. Yep. I remember uh when I was first learning how to play golf, I was going to college in Spokane, and one of the golf courses I’d play at most of the time was Wanderir Golf Course. My grandpa had been a member there, still is forever. And when I say member, it’s a a firmly public course. They used to have like college night Tuesdays or something. I can’t remember what it was called, but he’d go and play 18 holes for like 12 bucks on Tuesdays. Um, my grandpa always called it the poor man’s country club. Uh, fun course, but the first T-OT is a dog leg left that uh, it’s not a hard hole by any stretch of the imagination, but if you don’t hit a draw, there’s just not enough room to hit like a straight ball or a fade around the corner. And there’s a little pump h there’s a little pump house for the pond where they used to have a driving range into the pond and that’s where the balls the floating balls would funnel to. Anyhow, um I just was always hitting my T-OT into this big pump house and either grinding for a par or getting bogey gear or worse. And then one season, first round of the year, I step up and I hit this beautiful draw around the corner. Wasn’t even trying. And that entire season I just played a draw. That was my natural ball point. Love that. Yeah. All right, Matt. So, we’re touching on all the major golf leagues here. We’ve touched on the DP World Tour. We’ve touched on the PGA Tour. So, now let’s move on to the next major competitive golf league, and that’s Live Golf. The LPGA. Yeah, it you’re right. You’re right. We’ll talk. There was some news on the LPGA we can we can discuss. You know, let’s do live first. Let’s do live first because I’m I’m tinkering with these little banners and I kind of like them. I already clicked on the live golf banner. Um, so live liv of course is Roman numerals for 54 which of course is uh as they say the perfect round of golf. Uh 54 again also being at least at some point a prize that they announced if anybody ever shoots a 54. I think that was announced that they had a $54 million prize. I’ll fact check myself on that. But anyway, Live Golf has announced that they’re moving to 72 holes. Does that make you feel anything at all? You know, I do actually have contending thoughts on this and I think that I’m a fair person to ask because I’m not there’s like this weird division of like pro-live people and anti-live people and in my opinion, you can’t trust either of those people. I could give a hoot one way or the other. It exists. I I I casually pay attention to it. It is what it is. Um my first thought was it makes sense. It makes sense. We were told and we’re gonna we’re going to find out here. We were told big hangup for OGR points was they only played 54 holes. That was one of them. That was one of the things. So now they’re moving to 72. So if that’s true, that that’s the reason why they did it, right? Um I understand the other piece is the no cut issue. That’s not I don’t that I don’t see a way that that’s going away, but I think moving to 72 gives them a really big argument to say we’re doing the things. you guys said 54 wasn’t enough to somehow say the best some of the best golfers in the world are competing against each other. Give us our OGR points. So this their attempt to do that. My push back on the OWGR piece is at least as I as I’ve understood it that was not the main hangup. It was it was a hangup. Uh but I don’t think that they didn’t have a workaround for it. Right. I mean, there there’s been PJ Tour events that only finished 54 holes, like Pebble Beach last year when Windham Clark won. Uh they couldn’t finish 72. They couldn’t even finish the or start the last round, so they ended the tournament after 54 holes. You know, they still factor in OWGR for that. The biggest hangup for Liv and their OWGR eligibility is their qualification or or lack of qualification process, right? They got guys like uh Thomas McKibben who just signs a deal and he’s he’s on live. Uh Anthony Kim is probably the best example of they just can handpick guys and put him in the league which I I guess broadly speaking like that doesn’t matter. That’s it’s their league. They can do it how they want. But that’s the biggest hangup from an OWGR standpoint. They don’t they don’t have a pipeline to get into the league. But then they want to assign OWGR points to their tournaments. In theory, we don’t know have a clue how good or bad some of these guys are. Um, but the 54 hole piece I asking if it makes you feel any certain way cuz at first I did the whole eye roll thing like, oh, of course it’s 54 holes are moving to 72. I I think it I I think it kind of like it kind of makes sense, I guess. I don’t know. I it the only the thing I don’t like about it, I guess, is is the whole pitch, you know, when when the league started, they wanted to do a fun twist on things. They wanted to make golf but louder was their phrase. Uh they’re doing the uh shotgun starts. They’re trying to get 4hour rounds in better for viewers, better to watch on TV, all that good stuff. And the 54 hole thing was just shoved down our throat by all these pros switching over saying, “We want to play less golf, but it’s still going to be fun, still going to be competitive.” And um I don’t know, it just seems to go back on so many things that they’ve said about this league that they want to innovate, and now they’re packaging this, hey, we’re innovating by switching to 72 holes. It’s like, well, is that innovation or or what is that? You know what’s funny? And I know you’re asking me about 72 holes, but the thing I actually take issue with is the pants. I My emotional pull has takes more issue with the pants thing. I’m like, but why? Nobody was talking about the shorts. There’s no owl reason. There’s no reason to switch from shorts to pants. There’s zero reason. Now, is that a new Is that a new change? Yeah, there are no more shorts. It’s all pants now, just like the PGA Tour. So, looking here, it So, it looks like it was earlier this year, actually, that Pat Perez reported or reported he was quoted saying that uh players would be wearing pants all year. I got it confirmed the other day that players have to wear pants. This was in February of 2025. So that’s just was like like a a quiet roll out of a rule change. But I’m with you. I guess I’m like it’s almost I I think I kind of like that going into the live golf, right? You have a list of things you like, things you don’t like. One of the things I like is yeah, let them wear pants. Some of the guys would still wear pants. Sergio Garcia wore pants all the time, but then you got guys like Cam Smith who seem like they were chomping at the bit to wear some shorts and then they’re wearing the the long socks that are matching the uniform. I think I kind of like that piece. I give give them the option. Right. So moving to pants, I’m just like I don’t know how to say it other than just repeating myself. Like no, nobody was saying anything about it. So moving to that just seems like an attempt to be the same thing. And I think that is more uh what do you want to call it like um um uh like a bigger uh identifier to they’re just they’re just trying to be like the PJ tour but just with different pool of money um than moving to 72 holes. Like in my opinion moving to 72 holes makes sense. I understand why they tried to do 54. They pushed it. They made the attempt. um it just doesn’t kind of fit what we feel like a pro golf tournament looks like. And so they’re like, “Okay, fine. 72.” Like that move made sense. Do I like it? I I don’t I don’t really have a feeling one way or the other. Um but nobody was complaining about the shorts. What now? I I got to put my hand up on this one really quick. You said nobody was talking about the shorts. Nobody of note. Matt Matt Matt Hansen and I over the years have definitely mentioned the shorts. Uh it’s usually, you know, a bit tongue and cheek, but it is some there’s something kind of jarring about seeing guys that you watch their entire career all of a sudden wearing shorts. They got kind of their knobby knees and their long socks. And maybe but what we were getting at was it’s harder to have good golf style with shorts than than with pants. Well, I think you can, but you just kind of have to be, you know, smart about it. I I will say that like pants are kind of the established look, but uh I think you can pull off some stuff with uh with shorts. You just have to be conscious of the the sock and shoe pairing, right? Like the the socks play a bigger role if you’re in shorts. What they should have done is instead of requiring pants, they should require everybody shave their legs. Like on uh I know it’s not a requirement, but like professional cycling and like endurance sports, most of those guys shave their legs. It looks nice. Nice little jeans for their legs and on those hot summer days. You know what I didn’t know? I learned this when I mean maybe you were also friends with a swimmer in high school, but I was friends with a swimmer in high school and uh the season was about to start and we we were at like some sort of hangout, right? Barbecue, whatever. And she was wearing shorts, but she had like a lot of hair on her legs. And I was like, “What’s going on with that? And she’s like, “Oh yeah, we don’t shave our legs until we qualify for state.” And I learned this this I was like 15 or 16 that all of the both, you know, the men and the women on the swim team at at my high school didn’t shave unless or until, right, they were either didn’t qualify for or qualified for state and went to state. And I was like, well, does that does that really like a reverse like a reverse playoff beard? A reverse playoff beard. But the reason is is they they would like they’re swimming with with, you know, the extra friction. I’m like, well, how much extra time are you pulling up? And you know, this girl I was friends with, she’s like, “Well, I gain like two and a half seconds on whatever, you know, run she was doing.” I was like, “That’s feels like a significant amount of time that you’re shaving off.” Pun intended. Yeah, literally. Um, so yeah, maybe shaving your legs, you know, is a requirement on the lift tour. I don’t know how we got down that path, but there you go. Two and a half seconds in a swim meet. I don’t know if I buy that. That’s what she said. And I she never lied to me. All right. Well, hey, to go back to the the 54 whole thing. Um, I did see here I remember when this was happening. So they had this perfect round of golf which was 54 which is a birdie every hole on a 72 hole course. Uh Yaser Raayan had said that there’s a $54 million award for every live event for anybody that shoots quotes a perfect score in golf. Um I I I haven’t heard that talked about probably since uh the league started rolling out. Uh I wonder if that’s going to change. Is that is that still in play? Maybe we should get a chunk of like a small percentage for shooting. What was it? A 52 down in Oregon as a team. Gosh, what did we shoot? Yeah, something obnoxious. I thought it was a 52. It might have been. It was that that day turned into a circus at a certain point. I felt guilty with every birdie or eagle we got. I’ve talked about it a couple times. You know, people will bring up scrambles. And for a long time, I was part of this community of those scores don’t exist, right? That’s not a real score. Nobody shot that. And then I was a part of one. And I remember I I don’t think I’ll ever forget the feeling. The the defining feeling for me was was it number nine? Is that par five? We had like a 50 foot putt for through the fringe. What was it for birdie? The 50 foot putt. No, it was for eagle. It was for eagle. And I remember looking at this putt going. We might three putt this. Like three putting this is reasonable because we were so far away. And you were leading off our our putting for a couple reasons. One, you felt like you were the bad putter of the day, but then you were draining stuff. And so we just kept sending you first. Mhm. You were looking over this and I think 50 feet might be conservative on the when I tell people it was like 95 feet. That’s usually what I could have been 95 ft might actually be closer to what it really was because it was a really wide green and we were all the way right and the pin was all the way left. Yep. And I remember I was standing right behind the line like facing down the line and I remember you hit the putt and about halfway I I said out loud, “No way.” Because I just knew it was going to be close. In my head I’m thinking, “If it has enough steam, this dumb ball might go in the hole.” And the closer it got, it was tracking, tracking, tracking. And I remember it drops and I’m like, “This is an unreal Like this isn’t a serious thing. Like I’m living in like an alternate universe. Like this how is this happening? Like that was the defining hole for me was number the the ninth hole. It it’s it’s funny that’s your defining hole because I have another one that that summed up our feeling on that day cuz just going into that we had that par4 that I drove it to like three inches on. I’ve shared that picture with so many people. That was obnoxious. Tap in eagle. Like you guys all stayed in the cart. We’re just laughing, having a good time. Next hole, we hit it to four feet. Make the birdie. The hole after that is when when we made that eagle. And then we get to 10, you hit a drive to maybe 12 feet on the par4. You make the putt. We move on. We’re laughing, having a good time. We get to the next par five and we had, I think, an eight iron in and we hit it. The closest ball we had was maybe 30 or 40 ft. I go up and I hit the first putt and of course it goes in for eagle and all of our reaction was just to crack up laughing. We all just start laughing. We didn’t celebrate. We didn’t react in any other way other than of course it went in. Of course there was that one and I think Amanda has video of this one. I’m trying to remember if it was a par four or par three. I think it was a par three, like a long par three somehow or a short I man I cannot remember. It may have been actually a long par4, but the pin was in the back and there’s a we had to hit over a creek and it was an uphill putt and the best ball we had to choose was on the front of the green. Do you remember this one? Do you remember this play? I do. I do. So the pins in the back and you know it’s another one of those like we got to keep this streak going because at this point we are hunting for a for a score and we send you off first and the guys in the group in front of us at this point because we are just hooting and hollering at every hole are standing on the T- box not golfing they’re watching us play golf. So, we hit the shot and they’re standing watching us and I’m thinking this is going to be the end of this run and you drain this putt and I just like and maybe this maybe I’m thinking of the uh of the same hole you were just talking about where I’m thinking it’s a par four, but it may have been a par five. Is this the same one where Amanda has the video of it going in up the hill? Yep. Yep. In fact, I I’ve got the clip right here. I’m going to share it. Oh my god. Here we go. This is amazing. Where’s the audio? You can see my head. I just dropped my head like this is unreal. I don’t know if we got the audio in there or not, but un just so funny. It I think I mean any other day that’s like a fist bump moment. That’s like, hey, let’s go. Let’s rally it up. But it not, we just couldn’t miss that day. And honestly, uh, shout out to Jason that day. Uh, Jason was our I guess caboose for that round. Um, oh, he kept us steady. He was the he was the engineer, man. Let’s Let’s just be honest. We We He’s more green on every par three. Every hear me out. Leading leading into the day leading into the day, he was our short hitter and he was our high handicapper, right? But he kept us high and tight. He didn’t miss a green on any par three, including that 220 yard par three that we all missed the green on. He gets it pin high. Yeah, he was he was our workhorse. Well, he did that. And the other thing he did was every drive he hit the center of the fairway. And so our worstc case scenario, we had an okay look into the green. And so you and I would step up to the tea box and just absolutely just try to take the leather off these balls. I mean, I was swinging so hard on every T-OT. I don’t know if I’ve swung that hard on every driver swing ever in my entire golfing career, but I was swinging so hard. So, I I don’t know if I don’t even know if we talked about on the pod or not, but but what we’re talking about was we went and played in Buffalo Peak, uh, which was in Union, Oregon. What is that nearest to Lrand? Yeah, just outside of Lrand. Fun little course. We took four of us sundowners. Um, I we were going to a wedding later that day, actually. So, uh, we just rounded up the troops and we showed up and played. And it was, as Matt described, just one of those, uh, one of those days where you just felt guilty with every birdie cuz we were just slowly creeping into the, uh, no one’s going to believe us category. This putt here was the la last one of the day for birdie. It was a wonderful day. Here’s Jason. Oh, here’s Jason putting one on the green for us. That’s right. This one 220 yard part three. Oh yeah, it is. Yeah. Hits it to pin high. Yeah. Delightful day. It’s kind of fun. I’m learning how to do all these uh all these fun little Oh, here we go. Let’s go, baby. I will never forget this round. This will forever be a round. That was so fun. We We still got to go back. I think we got to round the troops up and and bring a couple Sundowners teams down. We’ve got for one, we’ve got to defend our title, right? Um and we got to run it back the same for them, obviously. Um but yeah, I think we should bring a couple guys down there. Yeah, we gota we gota start representing some of these tournaments as Sundowners. James and I tried doing that on Saturday. We played in a twoman uh sixes tournament at Zentel. And first off, Zintel’s greens um I will say this without any hesitation, best greens in Tri Cities by far. Truly out of 10. They they were remarkable. I’m pro Zintel. You know, there’s a there’s some people in town here that kind of dogs and tell, man. And, you know, I kind of as somebody who didn’t grow up in Tri Cities, you know, I’m kind of uh, you know, removed from the, you know, the stereotypes or the, uh, you know, outside opinion of things, right? And so when I played Zintel for the first time, I I did so with zero, you know, opinion of it. Just as you know, I showed up and it was very obvious to me. I was like, “Okay, um, whatever this course is, it’s been here a minute. This is probably one of the older courses here in town.” I didn’t know it was like the country club for a while. Um, but I could just tell like this is an established place. Um, and as I played it, I was like, you know, this is one of those courses that’s going to be much different than what you play um, anywhere else. The greens are going to be, you know, the first hole I knew right away. I was like, “Okay, this is probably the average size of green.” Um, I remember I the first time I played it, I hit an an approach shot and I thought I was like crazy short and crazy right, you know? I was like, man, I what a bad approach shot. And I get up there and I’m like 11 feet from the cup. It’s like, oh, these screens are tiny. But, uh, yeah, I’m I’m pros and, man. It’s a good course. I don’t know why it gets the, uh, hate that it gets. Yeah, it gets a lot of hate. I I think it just comes down to preference, you know? I think some people can’t quite get past the par 67. You don’t hit a lot of driver. And um I I personally like it. It’s just it’s never high on my list when I’m thinking of a place to go, but every time I go, I like it. And I and I tell you what, after playing Saturday, uh I I I have different opinions now. Like it’s it’s moving up the list simply because of the Greens, they were in phenomenal shape. They were running wonderfully. Um, and then just like the the course conditioning, I mean, and this isn’t the first time, but um, the rough there is they seem to be very intentional with their rough. It is thick rough. The ball flies right down to the bottom of it. Yep. Um, I don’t know. It’s It’s a challenging course. I think it’s fun. They have some really quirky greens that are really fun to play on. Like nine has a massive slope that runs down the middle. So, if the pins in the back, it’s just like a it ramps up the difficulty of that approach shot. 10’s green is something you will not see anywhere else. They can put the pin in like 15 different places. Um, no, just just a fun course. We we had a fun day. Um, we shot eight over between the two of us. Uh, the winning score was three under and that won by four, so second place was one over. And we just couldn’t help but think that, you know, if we did that 10 more times, we’d probably shoot uh no worse than one over, you know, half the time. So, um, but we represented Sundowners. Well, we saw a few Sundowners sweatshirts out there. That’s so cool. Love that. Yep. Yep. We got to meet, uh, meet some Sundowners, guys who came to the classics. Um, we did find out that we have another devout listener to the podcast. Um, so every time I say we have no listeners, now we can say we have at least one. Shout him out. What’s his name? I I’m sure you remember. Well, we’ve got So, Matt is one of our devout listeners. Uh he’s one of those guys that by the time I wake up in the morning, the next day, he’s already uh he’s already tuned in and listened. We’ve got Jared’s a listener, right? Yep. And then you’ve got a buddy and he’s getting two shout outs in two weeks. Uh he he was driving back from Yaka last week at 500 a.m. I got a text message from him at like 5:30. He was shocked to hear his name. So, Alex is another one of our devout listeners. And he’s not even a golfer. I don’t know if I’ve said this, he’s not a golfer. He doesn’t golf. He doesn’t know anything about golf. Um the the the thing that interests him, he’s he is he’s like, “How does this how does this podcast thing work? What do you guys do? How do you guys do it? Where does it go?” And so he likes listening and then asking all the questions on the back end. So, I love it. He’s a devout listener. So, our our newest listener is Jason Walters. There you go. Jason, shout out. Um, he’s also a hockey guy, so that’s kind of fun. We chatted a little bit. He seems to like the pod. He gave us some good feedback. So, Jason, keep it coming. Uh, hit us with the hard stuff. We’ll take all the critiques we can get. Um, and we hope you keep listening. Big hockey guy. Go ABS, right? This is Avalanche Country. I don’t know if it’s Avalanche Country, but uh All right, Matt. I I want to move on to uh the Internet Invitational. Okay. We Oh, yeah. We talked We talked about it a little bit uh before. Um I felt this way before. Now that I’ve finished it, I feel even more about this uh more strongly about this. I I truly think the Internet Invitational was like one of a kind. I think they executed it so well. I think it was better than any of us expected. Um, especially, you know, the the people in my camp of uh not anti-YouTube golfers, but just like I I don’t I don’t really follow YouTube golf, and so I I was kind of skeptical going into it. Um, but I’m telling you, I mean, by the time they got to, you know, I I can’t remember which episodes, but when they did the par three, uh, par three part of the competition and they had four teams, five, I think that was they were doing, okay, and they were doing Alt Shot, um, I mean, I was locked in. I I wanted to see how this thing ended. All the drama, uh, I don’t think the drama was, uh, uh, was was infused into it. I mean, it was all just genuine golf competition and they captured it really well. Um, I feel like everybody who’s watched it, I I if you haven’t watched it with this eye, shout out to the people who actually shot the material and edited this thing because I mean, I can’t imagine the labor effort it took, a herculean effort it took to get all of this video boiled down into something that we we can all watch. I mean, you’re talking about you have foresomes across this whole golf course and people are shooting it in in every group and then having to edit down the stuff in in a pretty quick turnaround. I I don’t even want to know what what that and the best part is they not only did they I mean they have cameras in every cart, mics on every person whether they’re playing still or not, cameras everywhere and and and they still find a way to like plug in little kind of like cinematic humor. Like at some point there was all the the commotion going on with the cheating allegations. Everybody’s just arguing or talking about this whole potential uh Paige Sporanic cheating thing, the Meloi cheating thing. No one’s watching the golf for like two holes. And then there was like a two and a half second clip of them panning over to the Duke who’s sitting cross-legged on the fringe with a towel covering his entire body and his head. And they plug that in for like two seconds and they go right back to the to the drama. And I’m like, it’s just it’s just so stinking good. Uh so um I I want to talk about the format specifically. Uh yeah, as a as a person who runs a golf league and is always trying to make things fair but also competitive and how do you incorporate all skill levels of golf and uh while also not just doing the run-of-the-mill fourperson scramble. I feel like I’m always racking my brain on like how do we do these things in a way that’s fun and interesting. Um admittedly I haven’t come close to what they pulled off. I think the way they did the format now that we watched it play all the way through was nearperfect for what they had. Right. They started with what was it four? It was 48 golfers, right, to start. Yeah. And they and they they drafted they split teams, so two teams of 24 and they they paired everybody up on twoerson teams. Um, they had skills all the way from, you know, whatever Brad Dulkey is, like a plus six to like, I don’t know, how do you quantify what sketch was? I mean, well, into double digits, right? Like I like guys that are probably not breaking 120. I mean, this is probably a a 20 handicap, right, if we’re being honest. Yeah. And so they end up pairing the teams up that way and they let the captains, you know, pick their pairings and then after the first round, they cut the losing team. So they’re gone out of the competition. So then they reddraft the 24. They make two teams of 12 and they pair those people up and run it back. I feel like we need to to talk about the intensity of that first cut, though. I I don’t think it gets enough credit, right? because we pay attention to the last couple episodes. Like you’re going from 48 golfers to 24 like that and it’s just which side of the of the draft you fall on? Like a lot of golf happened between those 48 golfers and then we just got cut down to 24. Like it it makes me kind of want to go back and watch that first set of golf again to just kind of take in the how intense that is. Like that’s like that’s a big cut. You’re you’re wiping out 24 golfers. That’s that’s wild. Yeah. It it’s interesting that I think if I had to critique any piece of it and it’s not not a fair critique, I don’t think, but um there it was hard to follow a lot what was going on on that that first cut. Um I mean I didn’t really at the time I didn’t really know that I cared about the golf. You know, I’m just kind of watching to figure out what it’s all about. But, um, talking about it here now, uh, you’re right, there’s probably a lot of sweet matches that we really just couldn’t quite get the flow on because they had so many matches going on at once. And, um, of course, the first episode was when the first two episodes were when, uh, a lot of the the internet personalities were were flying around almost competing with each other, right? Everybody’s there kind of getting their groove. They’re almost trying to prove that they belong there through their I don’t know driver off the deck king, you know, doing his sticktick. Um, it was really fun though as the as the the tournament progressed to see some of those personas just get dropped because it it became real. You know, that par three tournament, you know, the DoD king, he was pretty quiet and it’s because it it mattered to him. It mattered to all of them. And I I think that was the most fun piece was was seeing all these people just it’s almost like they couldn’t help but just feel raw feelings in front of the thousands of cameras. I got to ask you this though. Was there somebody as as a non-YouTube person because I have one for myself. You’re not a YouTube golf guy. Was there somebody that you came away going, “Man, I I want to watch more of that guy.” Like what what is his content all about or his or her, I guess? Um, I will tell you one guy, um, I can’t remember his last name, but his name’s Cole. He played with rigs a couple times. He’s kind of the shorter, skinnier guy. He’s got kind of a southern draw to him. Uh, he just seems cool as a cucumber. I don’t know what his YouTube golf thing is, but he just seems like he’s fun to hang with. He seems like a great golfer. I think he plays with that uh the bigger guy that that chips one-handed. Um, okay. I kind of want to see more of him. Um, I’m familiar with the Brian brothers. I I feel like I’ve been watching their YouTube stuff since college. Um, I’m not a huge fan of Wesley Bryan. I I could I could do away with him, but I think George Bryan is such a sweetheart. He’s just sweet as cherry pie. Um, I I like watching him. I like his commentary. He’s just like he seems super humble. Um, and then the other guy, I don’t know that I want to see more of him, per se, but I was just vastly impressed with Chaz. That guy was clutch throughout the entire stinking thing. I don’t know how he was more than 10 feet off the center of the fairway on any T-shot. It looks like he’s just doing like a long drive swing and it’s like center of the club face every time. It it I I was so impressed with his golf game. And then in the biggest moments, he’s like making 25footers to push a hole to stay in the match. It it it was awesome. I So I have two two my takeaways kind of in this in this arena of combo. One, I want to watch more Roger Steel. Like that guy’s that guy’s got game. Um he kind of seems like the perfect human being. You know what I would be awesome to see? And this is just kind of one of those like I don’t think it’s going to happen. I if I could give Frankie Belli the competitive pill, like the thing that just dials him in instead of makes him lawful. I think he’d be a really good golfer, but he just gets in his head. And like the fact that he made it as far as he did in absolute panic mode the entire week. Guy was in absolute sur like paddling for his life mode and he still was I mean frankly kept you know in in that final episode him Paige and and Meloi a float um is impressive. Like that was kind of the two like big he’s he’s kind of the butt of the joke a lot of times, you know, within their their landscape. He’s a good golfer. Yeah, he did he did really good those last two rounds. I I was impressed. I mean, he he obviously is susceptible to, you know, the what do they call him? Butter knives. Frankie. Yeah, that’s implemented nickname. Yeah. But yeah, he he played great. Um, no. I I I hope uh I hope there’s more of these things to come. I hope it doesn’t spiral into um maybe something less serious because I I think that was my favorite piece of it was it it reminded me of Sundowners in a lot of ways of like we do these things. It’s kind of fun. Uh we just mainly do it to hang out with our friends and the competitive piece is like a byproduct that you you don’t really see it coming until the season starts coming to an end and we all start to dial up the the competition. and it just feels very organic. And and this one for a for a uh event that was all of uh the the internet’s biggest personalities, I was surprised at how uh genuine the the event and the the drama and the competitiveness felt. Yeah, it did not feel contrived at all. Now, do we dive into the actual drama? Yeah. So, you know what? I’m going to blend our our bit a little bit here. Blend it. Yeah. So, uh I’m gonna I’m gonna introduce um Judge Cwell to the courtroom. Oh, we’re doing this. Yeah. I figured, you know, um since we have uh some legal authority here, we might as well talk about a little bit of the drama that went on at the Internet Invitational. So, well, let me get in character real quick. Hold on. Geez. So, judge, get your gavvel. Um, I do solemnly swear that I will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Um, I do want to fill you in on some events that occurred at the final round. Um, and kind of creeping into the par three round as well. We’re going to touch on defendant um Malloi. I I don’t know his first name or maybe that is his first name, but um it was at the at the start of the event. Um, admittedly the rules official didn’t seem to know the rules very well, but he made it very clear at the start of the tournament that rangefinders are allowed, but you cannot use the slope function, which is standard for competitive rounds. It is it is um I personally don’t think it makes much of a difference, but when it was stated at the start of the tournament, it was clear to everybody that no slope function. It got talked about quite a bit. I don’t think there was anybody out there that didn’t know that you can’t use the slope function. So, it came up uh during the par three tournament. Meloi stepped up and and and used his rangefinder to to get a yardage and he told his partner Paige, he said 137. And then we had uh Micah I I can’t remember Micah’s last name, but Micah’s playing and he has his rangefinder out and he asked him, he goes, “What’d you say you got, Mo?” Mo says 137. And he says, “Do you have slope on?” because I got 145 and they’re, you know, maybe six feet apart. I don’t know. And Malloi says, “No, I don’t have it on.” And then, uh, they continued on. No issue. The next day in the event, uh, this was, I can’t remember which hole. It was probably halfway through the round. They were all square at this point. Hole 10, they were all square at this point. And, uh, there were some accusations getting thrown around that Meloi might be using the slope on his rangefinder. So, it’s getting around all these golf groups. Everybody’s starting to talk about it. Whit came over and actually let Malloi know, “Hey, guys are wondering if you’re using your slope. Are you using your slope?” And he says, “No.” Camera footage catches Meloi getting into his cart. He had it attached to the metal frame behind him to his left. Okay. So, he grabs the rangefinder. He looks at it and it appears he he uses his thumb for something. I don’t know if he pushes a button. I don’t use rangefinder, so I don’t know what I don’t know how to turn on and off the slope function. He does this and he sets it beside him. And then a few moments later, he grabs it and attaches it to the metal frame in front of him. When he was asked about this, Meloi goes on to tell the rules official, Dave Portoi, he says, “Well, yeah, I was just grabbing it because I was going to give it to somebody so they could look at it and to make sure the slope was off.” Uh Dave Portoy says, “Well, but you you didn’t hand it to somebody. It’s it you got to admit it looks kind of weird that you grabbed it and set it beside you. Um ultimately he he said I I was not using the slope function. I didn’t turn off the slope function in that moment. And he even put his hand up and said hand to God I did not use the slope function. And that was the end of it. So judge, now that you know the facts, do you I want to hear your thoughts. Do you think Meloi is a cheater? Is he a liar? Or is he innocent? Uh yeah, I think he’s guilty on all counts here. Um he he was cheating. Um in my eyes, the video from the cart, it’s very evident. The Callaway rangefinder and the slope function was right there on the thumb. Right where he was at. That’s where it’s at. It’s just a little slide. It’s easy. That easy. and he grabs it, puts it in his lap, and you see him like as he’s in here, flip his thumb when you’re getting accused. And here’s the crazy part. He didn’t need to use the rangefinder in that moment. He’s already used the rangefinder. So, there’s no reason for him to grab the rangefinder other than he’s just been accused of cheating. So, one, he doesn’t need to touch it. two, it looks like he changes the slope from from on to off. And then three, says he gave it to somebody so they could look at it, but doesn’t. So like on on three factors there, he’s full of it. But the most damning evidence is the fact that we can see him change this the slope from pond off. You can see it. You watch it happen. If you’ve watched the Internet Invitational and have ever used a rangefinder that has slope on it, you can see him turn it off. So, judge, this is uh this is the defendant this is the defendant’s coun council speaking. Um yeah, my client informed me that he grabbed his rangefinder and was just confirming that the slope was off in that moment. And so what he actually did in fact was he looked to see if it was on or off. Clicked it on and clicked it off to confirm that it was off. All right, I’m going to change characters real quick and uh be the uh be the state. If your defendant was innocent, why wouldn’t you in that moment grab the rangefinder from off the frame of your golf cart and just put it in the camera to show rangefinders slopes off, buddy. Just show it. but instead conceals the rangefinder, appears to turn it off, and then continues to hide it afterwards. If I were in that situation, I would have looked at the the the GoPro that has been in my cart for days now, and I go, “Watch this. I’m going to grab my rangefinder. Now, I’m going to narrate the whole thing. I’m going to grab my rangefinder, and I’m going to show you that the slope is off. I’m going to grab it and without touching anything, I’m just going to show it to you. See that? Red, green, red, green, slopes off. And I’m going to set it down. That’s what I’m going to do. And I’m never going to bring it up again. But he didn’t do that. Do you know why? Because he’s a liar. All right, judge. I accept your verdict. What’s the penalty? Will will my client be able to attend any further internet invitationals? And by that I mean, do you think he’s getting invited back next year? I I would be shocked if he’s invited. And to be honest, I’d be shocked if he continues to be a member of GoodG Good. So, Good, if you’re not a YouTube golf guy, Good is is very much a kind of uh I don’t know how to say it. Like they’re very um straight edge. Um drinking’s not happening on the show, cursing’s not happening on the show. Um that’s not kind of their MO. Like they’re very cleancut group of guys. Um, and I would imagine a severe and significant cheating allegation in an event where money’s on the line is probably a pretty bad look, right? So, I would be kind of shocked if he continues to be a member of Good Good. Yeah. I I think, you know, all bit aside, I I’m with you. I I mean, everything he did, he his demeanor seemed to change. He he was really quick to say, “Oh, my ball moved.” As he’s getting ready to putt, right? It it really came off like a guy who’s trying to just over the top try to prove to the world that, “Hey, I’m I’m I’m playing straight.” Playing straight. Um yeah, I’m I’m with you. If you’re not using slope, I if I’m standing there when when Wit comes up to me and says, “Hey, they think you’re using slope.” I would say just go grab it right in that moment. Go look at it. Go grab it. I don’t have to touch it before you grab it. Um, okay. So, we got he’s guilty now kind of going on at the same time as all of this same hole. This is the same hole was another allegation. Okay. And I’m going to present the facts to you as I know them. Okay. And and and this is me, Giovani from my from my uh point of view. Okay. So, they had a T-shot. Um believe it was Frankie Bell who hits it right into this long kind of cheat grass. Um, the camera picks up on Paige hit it there. Paige hit it there. So, the camera picks up Meloi going to grab a club and behind him is Paige kind of moving grass around. Okay. Um, of course, the camera doesn’t show the ball, but but it’s clear that she’s, you know, kind of pushing grass down. Admittedly, like a lot of people that that you and I golf with, right? Um, they proceed to hit the shot and it comes up later. I think it might have been Fat Perez who brought it up. He’s like, “Hey, this is I don’t really know where this fits, but she was they were they were trampling down the lie so they can get a club on it.” Um, of course, uh, I think it I think it was Peter Finch. Oh, that’s right. It was Peter Finch. Peter Finch. Now, Malloi goes on to hit a a really good shot from out of there. Um, and you’re about I don’t know if you said this, but they were about 190 out when for the grass pushing out situation. So, it’s um a hefty distance and of course, judge, you you know the rules on on improving a lie, especially if it’s not a loose impediment. Excuse me. Um but moving forward, there’s a lot of discussion on how do we approach this and and ultimately uh uh Dave approached Paige and had said, “Hey, we’re we’re being told here’s or no, sorry, it was Francis. Francis her her playing partner uh approaches her about it after they had lost the hole um and approached her about it and said, “Hey, people are saying that you had improved your lie back there.” And and she immediately breaks into tears and says, “I people I’m not cheating. I didn’t know. I promise I’m not a cheater.” Um those are the facts that I know. I do know it is on camera that she is in fact pushing grass down around the golf ball. What do you say to that, Judge? Um, so I mean I guess there’s a couple things. One, we can see that she’s improving the lie and see it. We know that it happened. Um, so you’re guilty there, right? Um, I’m not I’m going to be honest. I assume that the penalty for in a match play event of improving your lie is is a loss of hole. There’s probably not any advanced penalty. Uh, is that accurate, G? Um, I I don’t I don’t think it’s a immediate loss of hole, but I do think there’s a penalty stroke. So, she’s guilty of improving the lie. I do, if I’m remembering right, they lost the hole anyway. I don’t think it was a They did lose the hole. Yes. Okay. So, in the end, it didn’t matter technically. Um, but I will say in the in the world of me trusting you as a playing partner moving forward, um, Paige’s response was, I mean, I would argue worse than the cheating allegation. Um, I I think that the showmanship she put on with the tears was just that. I think it was showmanship. There’s not a single person who’s played college golf who doesn’t know improving your lie isn’t against the rules. I mean, it’s it’s one of the first things you learn when you get into golf. Play the ball as it lies. I I would argue that people getting into golf learn that there are ways to improve your lie using the rules rather than the other way around. I would argue that that’s secondary that that more people getting into it assuming they’re going to play by the rules quote unquote would play the ball no matter where it is off of sprinkler head right because they’re told play the ball is it lies right and we have to teach them oh actually you do get relief from a sprinkler head right and so if they’re in long grass they’re going to be playing from from you know by by the rules they’re just going to hit the all. And so for a college golfer to pretend, I I didn’t I didn’t know. Oh, I had no idea. You’re now you’re lying. You cheated and now you’re lying about it. So, judge, this is the defense council speaking again here. I would argue that that her tears were uh nothing more than my client um admitting that she accidentally broke the rules and she was showing signs of remorse. But now you are calling her a cheater and a liar. So was it the tears that were remorseful or the words she used? Because the words she used was that she didn’t know. And why do we think she didn’t know? Or why do we think she did know? Couple things. One, she played college golf. And two, she had a smart alecle comment. You must have never played competitive golf on hole one. So, if you’re going to have a comment like that with all the, you know, confidence in the world, you better know the freaking rules, darling. And guess what? Pushing grass down in front of and behind your ball when you smoke one into the weeds is against the rules. It’s kind of like the first rule that was written. Hey man, [ __ ] You’re not. You have to play it out. Cow [ __ ] Okay. So, we got we got two guilty clients so far. Uh tough day for the tough day for the court. Um I you know, I’m with you 100% on the Malloi one. This is this is bit aside here. I’m with you on the Malloi one. The the page one. I’m I’m not quite convinced one way or the other. Right. Um I don’t know how somebody would uh uh you know break into tears like that unless they just were simply crying because they got caught and they were embarrassed by it. But um at least in the moment I didn’t have the feeling that Paige was intentionally cheating. Um might have been some recklessness and carelessness on not knowing the rules, but um I’m pretty neutral on it. Now, let let’s move further down the docket here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I got two more cases for you before we wrap it up for the night judge. Um, so one case we have uh defendant Daniel Burgerer. Okay. So, this is an event that occurred back in the 2022 players championship. This was the year that Cam Smith won. Um, we’re on hole 16. I don’t recall which round. It wasn’t the final round, but um, he’s playing in a group. group. Daniel Ber is playing in a group with Victor Havlin and I’m almost certain it was the Saturday round. I think it was round four. Okay. So, he’s playing with Joel Damon and Victor Havland and and hole 16 at Sawrass. If if people aren’t familiar, it’s a par five. It’s the hole right before the famous island green and all three of these players were in the fairway and they were uh between 220 and 240 out from the from the green. pin is in the front right and of course up the right side of this fairway is is the same water that that is the 17th hole. So Daniel Burgerer hits his shot and it lands in the water. It’s about 10 yards short of pin high. And so this this group moves forward. Daniel Burgerer gets ready to do his drop to hit his fourth shot and he goes to drop the ball closer to the green than anything. Pretty much green side. and Victor Havlin and Joel Damon had had a problem with that and they confronted him and they said, “No, we think it dropped back there.” Okay, so in the moment they’re kind of arguing. It look it looks pretty heated. They’re kind of arguing back and forth. Daniel Burgerer stating his case saying, “No, I hit a cut. It started left of the flag and it and it the wind was blowing off the left.” So he says it cut at the end and this is where it crossed. And these guys are saying, “I didn’t see that thing starting anywhere left of the flag.” And you’re right, it did cut into the water. So it it your drops back there. Um they bring a rules official in and as I understand it, the rules officially essent rule rules official essentially says uh as a group you guys need to decide where to drop it. Um what they ended up doing is they compromised and dropped somewhere in the middle. Um Daniel Burgerer was on the record saying I I’m not going to take a bad drop. Um, it seems that in fact he took I won’t say a bad drop, but a different drop than what he initially planned on doing. After the round, he says he felt comfortable with the drop and they and they moved on. So, Judge, I want to I want to ask you your thoughts on this and and where does is Daniel Burgerer guilty? Is he uh was he swayed by his playing partners too much? Was he wrong in his drop? What are your thoughts? So, I I’m struggling on on how to give you the narrative here. So, I’m going to give you what I think my opinion of how Daniel Burgerer handled this with all the info. And I think Daniel Burgerer handled it wrong. Um, Daniel Berger should not have taken the the compromised drop. And here’s why. Daniel Burgerer had the best line of sight of his ball. Both Victor Havlin and Joel Damon were left of him, which means the water was on the right. So, their perspective as to where this ball crossed is going to be worse than Daniel Ber’s. Now, I’m going to say everything from perspective in the heat of the moment without a replay. Right? So, what we know is that Daniel Berger has a better line of sight as to when this ball crosses. Admitting Daniel Burgerer has a better has a a biased opinion of things, right? I understand that. He brings in the rules official, as he should, right? He’s going to default to say, “Hey, rules official, you guys have all the technology in the world. Where did my ball cross?” And the moment the rules official says, “Hey, this is up to you guys.” Daniel Burgerer should drop where he thinks his ball crossed. Period. Full stop. And here’s the reason why. Victor Hofflin and Joel Damon have no argument and no way to penalize him or say he’s wrong otherwise. Now I can see the argument saying, “Well, Matt, that’s that’s not how it’s right.” If the argument is Daniel Burgerer is confident that he knows where his ball crossed the line, then that’s where the ball should be dropped. So him dropping in the compromised area is the wrong drop. So, this one is a little different than the last couple rules questions, right? They they, you know, the, you know, Matt judge, this has been kind of a moral uh compass thing, good guy, bad guy, you know, what’s my opinion of things? In my opinion, Daniel Burgerer took the wrong drop. he should have dropped further up ahead where he dropped or where he originally said that he should be at um because one he had a better perspective of of where it crossed and the moment there wasn’t any video evidence to say he was wrong on that drop he should have taken that drop because now if he takes this compromise there could be argument that he didn’t do the right thing so that’s my case is I think Daniel Burgerer took the wrong drop because he compromised You know, I uh dropping the bit here. I I agree with you. Um I did find it interesting and and I guess I had forgotten about this piece at the time, but um when reading up on it, it’s interesting that the rules official would say, “Well, it’s up to you guys.” And if that’s the case, uh essentially it’s whatever Daniel Burgerer says goes. Right. Right. Um, now maybe him compromising and playing from somewhere else showed that maybe he felt um scummy or maybe started to question his own, you know, recollection of it. Um, it does seem like if his big stance to begin with was, I’m not taking a bad drop. I know that’s not where it crossed, so I’m not dropping there because that’s a bad drop. um would almost make you think, well, then he’s not going to compromise either and split the difference because that’s also a bad drop. So, if I if I’m on anybody’s side, I think on this, uh I think it’s the way it panned out is probably the the best possible scenario because if Daniel Burgerer chose to drop in his original spot, I do think the narrative may have spun into Daniel Ber’s cheating and I don’t know that that would have been the case if he took his original drop. No, I I agree. I think he took the path uh of least resistance. He took the for career longevity, I’m going to take this drop because God forbid something comes up and I might be wrong. I’m going to look like an absolute nightmare person. Um and so he just took the took the compromise. So he kind of had a way out. I I understand why he did what he did. Um, but now that we’re this many years removed, right, what, three years removed, there is no evidence that he was wrong in his first assessment of of the dealings. Now, if you have the replay, do you have the replay lined up? I’m going to say this before you play it. Uh, no. So, so they they they did look at the replay and they said that the the rules official, the rules committee, I guess, had said that that after looking at the cameras, they don’t have a camera angle that definitively says where where it crosses line. I I agree. There isn’t a camera angle that definitively says. However, you have the down the line shot from the T- box that’s facing the flag and his ball. we because we have flight, you know, tracer, uh, you know, the ball tracer on it. His ball doesn’t cross into the water until after the ball hits the hits the apex. So, the ball’s well on its way to the to the flag before it crosses into the water. And so in my opinion, I actually agree. Not just because of what you can or can’t prove, but I legitimately believe that his ball was further up the fairway before crossing into the hazard than where he dropped. I firmly believe it. And when I went back and I kind of just refreshed myself on what it looked like, that’s how I felt in the moment as well. Right. like when you mentioned, hey, we’re going to talk about the Daniel Burgerer thing. Um, I was like, I think I, you know, I think I remember kind of how I felt about it. And so I watched it again and it took me all of 10 seconds to watch the ball flight to go, oh, I remember exactly how I felt in the moment. And how I felt in the moment was, he’s taking a bad drop. He should stick with guns. And I remember thinking live going, gosh, I think he should take the real drop, but sheesh, if he finishes this hole out and we get some other replay and it shows that he was wrong, like he’s going to look like a doofus. Like I remember feeling that way, but we we never get it. And I do think that he took the drop that was beneficial longterm to his, you know, uh, you know, how people viewed him. And which sucks is Victor Havland post round was asked about this and he still said, “No, I don’t think he took the wrong drop.” I mean, he didn’t say it in those words, but he essentially said like, “Look, like we we didn’t have all the info and and he took this and we thought it was that like me and Joel agreed and he was the only one that disagreed.” Yeah. Now, it’s kind of funny. We actually have our own case of this. This would have been a Kitsky v. Hansen probably back 2023 maybe. We were on 12 at Canyon Lakes and it’s the par 3 12,000t thing of beauty. Of course, everybody knows that. Um, Matt hits a T-ball and there’s a a pond, you know, right in front of the green. Matt hits a shot and I I was in the group and I don’t I couldn’t tell you it it definitely hit something on land and then bounced backwards into the water. Um, and there there was a hazard line and Matt was firmly of the belief that it bounced in play and then went backwards into the pond. Um, Seth was firmly of the belief of there’s no way in heck that thing crossed the hazard line and then rolled back into the hazard and and they argued about it for a little while and they got I can’t remember who was in our group with us who the fourth was and and I genuinely was like, “Guys, I don’t I don’t know. I mean, this is my best friend, so I I believe him. I think he’s a fair and honest person.” Um, and Matt just stuck to his guns. He wasn’t going to be swayed one way or the other. He’s like, “No, I know for a fact this is where my drop is.” is and he took his drop there. Um, and it rattled Seth. It’s kind of fun seeing Seth rattled like that. It’s kind of turned into like Sundowner’s lore cuz Seth goes on after we’re kind of arguing about it. Seth goes on. He just needs to chip it on and put it in. He He duffs his chip. And Seth is phenomenal golfer. He doesn’t do that very often. He turns around and chucks his wedge probably 60 yards over the T- box on the next hole. He I I don’t know what he scored. I don’t He didn’t part the hole, but and then the rest of us proceed to dig around in these deep bushes to go find his wedge on the next hole. All right, Judge. Last one on the docket. We got a long episode today. Last my chops over this one. I know you have. I know you have. So, uh, speaking of of Daniel Burgerer kind of protecting his reputation, I I would say this is this banner is ridiculous. This is a ridiculous banner. This next case is is a man who I would argue is is is not doing a lot in the world of protecting his reputation. And this guy is is is yours truly Matthew Coocher. So Matt Coocher, I believe this would have been in 2022, I believe. Um so Matt Coocher is in need of a Caddy. His caddy couldn’t make the trip to Mexico for their for their tournament. Um I’m quickly factchecking this. So this was six years ago. So um he ends up taking a uh a Makoba golf uh resort caddy by the name of uh Geral or Gro Geral Ortiz nicknamed L2. Okay. So he’s a resort caddy and he agrees to Caddy for for Matt Cooer. Um, it’s stated here that they had an agreement um, and there was not a contract signed from what what I could read, but they had an agreement that he was going to get paid $1,000 uh, per day for the practice rounds and $3,000 um, at the end of the tournament whether he makes the cut or not. Um the it it sounds like there was kind of a loose uh a loose agreement that there may be a bonus depending on how Matt Coocher ends up finishing in the tournament. So Matt Coocher goes on to win the tournament and and his cash prize is $1.296 million. At the end of the week, Matt Cooer gave L2AN an envelope with $5,000 in it. Um, how do you feel about this? Without diving deeper into it right now, Matt, I know you have a lot of feelings, judge. Um, tell us your feelings about uh Matt Coocher’s uh actions there in Mexico. Uh, Matt Coocher’s actions in Mexico are exactly what he told El Tukan what they were going to be. He did the exact thing that he told him he was going to do. Not a scent more, not a scent less. If you are caddying for a PGA Tour golfer who’s won on the tour, maybe don’t take the deal where you just the max payout is five grand over the weekend. That’s why my little banner down here says read the fine print. They agreed to terms whether it was written or not. You do not need a contract on paper to have a contract. You need to have uh uh an offer. You need to have a an agreement and you need to have compensation. Okay. What’s the offer? You caddy for me. I will pay you X amount over X amount of days for each thing blah blah blah blah blah and the compensation is X for that and the agreement is yes or no. L2 cattied for him over the practice rounds and four days of the golf tournament. So he knew going on Thursday morning he knew if Matt Cooer wins this tournament I’m getting $5,000. email. So, I have zero sympathy for L2CON. Sorry, guys. So, we’ve got we’ve got a New York Post article about the events here. So, L2 Khan says so it says here that before the tournament, L2 Khan said he made a deal with Coocher. Um, Coocher told Ortiz that he’d pay him $1,000 for a Tuesday practice round, $1,000 for a Wednesday proam, and $3,000 for the tournament rounds, whether he made the cut or not. Says that these numbers, uh, sorry, I’m I’m I’m moving to the wrong section here. Uh, L2 Khan goes on to say, and I quote, I said, if you win, 10% for me, he says. Um, Cooer says, of course. And uh uh L2con says, “But it felt like he was just looking at me like I’m just the little guy.” Um so it and it sounds like there was not a contract in place aside from, “Hey, here’s how much you’re going to get paid.” Um also, Matt Cooer had said something to the tune of for a guy that makes $200 a day, I think $5,000, pretty good. Um L2 Khan ends up going on to to communicate with Matt Cooer’s uh agent. Um his agent went on to offer them $15,000 more dollars. L2 Khan said uh no. That that kind of feels like a slap in the face. Ultimately through some back and forth um uh Cooer and his team ended up sending an additional $45,000. That was after um a representative for L2con had said that they think the uh the reason for Coocher paying so little was a racial issue based on his comments. And it seemed like that was what uh kind of forced Coocher’s team’s hand to to send over an an additional $45,000. If you have a problem with the contract, don’t perform the efforts that are part of the contract. Period. You have a as this caddy, you don’t have any leverage here, man. Either you’re going to caddy for the pro or you’re not going to caddy for the pro. Either you want this experience to caddy for the pro during a pro tournament or you don’t. Here’s here’s reverse because hold on. We’ve had a lot of L2con words. We’ve had nearly nothing from Matt Cooer. Let me represent Matt Cooer real quick. Hey L2, I could have picked anyone from your caddy shop from your caddy shack and won this tournament this week. I played that well. I could have picked anyone and won this tournament. I took you. and you happen to get this money and you agreed verbally or written down or whatever to take this money and now after I win the round, win this tournament, you’re going to come after me, but Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I’m in the running. You didn’t say [ __ ] there. You only say something Sunday after I get the check. That’s really interesting. That’s really interesting timing that you didn’t say a GD thing Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. So racial, that’s a really easy one to go. Matt Coocher is racist. It’s a really easy one to peg. He wasn’t racist on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. Wasn’t racist those days. Just Sunday afternoon he was racist. So, judge, we’re going to go back to the moral judgment here. Okay. So, yeah. Are you saying Matt Coocher is a good guy or a bad guy for this? I’m not making a judge here. Here’s where I’m making the judgment. My judgment here isn’t is Matt Cooer a good or a bad guy. I’m making a judgment here based on did Matt Coocher do the thing that he said he was going to do. And in this case, if he’s a good guy or a bad guy based on he did the thing he said he was going to do, he’s a good guy. So you think the good guy would say something like this, and I quote, “That was a tough thing on me and my family. It was really tough when I heard from my grandmother and she’s reading headlines about her grandson. I think I’ve always tried to make her proud. I’ve got kids on my own. I try to set a good example.” And this this is of course him saying that that this this uh undertipping situation is quote something I’m not proud of. Is this something a good guy would say about about those actions? You have a guy who agreed to work for a certain amount of money and then only caused the stink after the guy who could have walked out of that weekend losing money. So theoretically, Matt Cooer could have paid him all that money and missed the cut, gone home on Saturday morning or Friday night, whenever he flew out and would have still paid L2. Guaranteed L2 would have said [ __ ] if Matt Coocher misses the cut. He only says something because he won. So yeah, I do feel in this case, I do feel bad for Matt Coocher. Do I think a really cool guy would make a deal like that? No. If if I was if I was uh uh making an agreement with a with a local caddy, would I give him the same exact rate that my caddy that I generally employ? No, probably not. Right? And I’m making numbers up here. If my general percentage to my caddy is 10%. I don’t feel like a random guy I’ve never met has earned 10%. So, could I see 3%. Sure, we can talk about 3%. We can go I’ll give you a flat rate for Thursday, Friday, and I’ll give you a a uh you know, a smaller rate, you know, based on my earnings if I make the cut and play Saturday, Sunday, right? Could I see that being a thing of how I would handle things? Sure. But here’s the reality. El Tucan and Matt Coocher made an agreement. El Tucan and Matt Cooer knew all of the things that could have happened. They’re in the golf world. Toucan’s a professional caddy. Matt Coocher is a professional golfer. He knows he could have walked out of there losing money. That’s how it goes. And he won the tournament. Good for Matt Coocher. And now he’s having to deal with this caddy going, “Well, I was okay with making a bunch of money if you missed the cut, but now I’m really mad because you won.” Nah. So, Judge, let me let me ask you to speculate here for a moment. Okay, I’m hearing what you’re saying. I understand your point of view. Let’s say you are a professional golfer. You’ve won $43 million in prize money, not including your Bridgestone uh sponsorship deals, anything of the sort. um you end up needing a caddy. You hire a guy and you guys agree on a flat rate of $5,000, win or lose. You guys agreed on it. Let’s say you even wrote a contract about it and you both signed it fully agreed, hey, here’s how much you’re making this week. Don’t count on anymore. But then you do go on to win. You know, you you catch lightning in a bottle and you win $1.3 million. Are you do you think you’re gonna stick to $5,000 flat rate or are you gonna give him a little extra? That’s not the question. That’s the question I’m asking you right now. Sure. You’re asking, do I do that? I’m asking you, would you do you think you would do that in that scenario? Would you would you give him a little extra since you just happen to win way more than you anticipated? So Matt Cowwell would, right? Matt Cowwell would probably tip the guy out if I won the tournament, right? I’ I’d hit him up with more than what we agreed on. I would, but that’s Matt Cwell, right? But at the same time, I’m going to defend the contract that Matt Cooer and that that Caddyy had. For the record agreement, you have to have there was there was no contract in place. That’s wrong. That’s not true. Just because nothing’s written on paper doesn’t mean there’s no contract. Well, there’s a guy who doesn’t speak English and needs a translator for all communication. So, he’s speak first. I’m on the side of do I think this guy deserves this that’s traditional. No, no, no. We have to go back. Was was L2 Khan speaking Spanish to Matt Cooer during all four rounds? I I think he may maybe knew enough to to to get him by that it it he’s on the record saying that uh some of the biggest piece of advice he ever gave him was on on Sunday coming down the stretch he just told him to calm down a little. Oh, okay. Hold on. So, this is great. I love this. So, you’re telling me the guy who Let’s just assume he doesn’t speak English, which is great. I love this. The guy who doesn’t speak English, the language Matt Cooer speaks, cattied for a guy who only speaks English, won a tournament. He doesn’t speak a lick of English. He was just present carrying the bag. Deserves 10% for giving no knowledge of the course, no input at all because he doesn’t even speak the language. Where did you earn your your 10%, buddy? It sounds like you earned your $5,000. If that’s the case, he only speaks He doesn’t speak English. That he earned every freaking dollar he got. I’m going to tell you what I think happened. Okay, first off, I’m going to say I think Matt Coocher is firmly firmly bad guy. If one of my best friends, if Matt Cooer was my best friend and we’re on the flight home and we’re thrilled, you just won a boatload of money and I found out he only gave his caddy $5,000. Whether he sucked as a caddy, whether he was the richest man in the world as a caddy, whether he didn’t speak any English, I would be disappointed in my friend and I’ I’d let him hear it. I’d say, “You’re a dirt bag. You just want $1.3 million, give him at least like a tip.” Um, so that’s that’s the stance I’m on. What I think happened was Matt Coocher needed a caddy. They brought L2 Con over and Matt Coocher used this contract quote um as an opportunity to say, “Hey, um I know that you make barely any money daytoday, so I’m going to offer you uh 20 times your your daily income. I’m going to offer that to you flat rate.” And when his caddy, he said, “Yeah, I’d love to. Let’s do it, sir.” Um, I think Matt Cooer took advantage of that and when he won, he had in his mind convinced that, well, I already gave this guy, you know, three months worth of his salary, so that’s that’s plenty. Um, which I’m with you. I agree that sure, that was the agreement. He honored his his side of the agreement. Therefore, he is not guilty of violating a contract. But I think Matt Coocher is firmly in the category of of violating the good guy territory. I think it’s hard to argue that Matt is not a bad guy in this situation. I just don’t see it where even if he gave him an envelope with $5,000 and then another one with maybe just $2,000. I don’t even know the number. But hey, because I won, here’s a little extra. It’s more than we agreed to. So I I hear you and this is all good stuff. But for this to be true, we have to flip it on its ear and we have to have equilibrium. Okay. So we agree that it’s $1,000 for the practice round Tuesday, another $1,000 for the Wednesday round, and then $3,000 for Thursday through Sunday. So, what if he misses the cut? So, he gets $1,000 for Tuesday. Another th000, that’s 2,000 for Wednesday. And then we cut that in half, right? And so instead of 3,000, it’s 1,500. So, it’s 3500 instead of 5,000. And he goes, “Look, I missed the cut. You get $3,500. Are you okay with him paying less than the agreed upon terms in the contract because he missed the cut? Are you okay with that? No. They agre their agreement to have Hold on. If if you firmly believe that he owes him more money than they agreed upon because he won, you have to agree that there can be the equal opposite reaction. That that is not true. That is not true. Where’s the equilibrium? Why do we have to have equilibrium when we’re talking about what what a good person would do and what a bad person would do? Okay. A bad person a bad person might say, “Well, there has to be equilibrium. If I miss the cut, you don’t earn your sat your Saturday Sunday wages. That’s a bad person setting that equilibrium. Okay. The equilibrium is is we have a contract. So, you are going to make as much as we agreed upon. Sure. Now, should L2 can probably not have made a fuss about it. You know, I mean, at the end of the day, he has that pill to swallow to say, “Ah, well, shoot. Uh, that that’s all I was offered.” But at the end of the day, let’s say this never came up. It doesn’t change Matt Cooer not giving this guy an extra lick when he just won $1.3 million. It’s like going to the casino. I’m not even a gambler, but I know as well as anybody that when you make big money, you tip the the dealer, right? The dealer agreed to his wages, right? He he made an agreement with his employer to say, “Here’s how much money I get paid.” Uh but people still tip him when they win. It’s the same exact thing. Same exact thing, especially when we’re talking about such large sums of money. Matt Coocher hadn’t won in like two and a half years, right? So, this was probably a bit of a surprise payday. And and you mentioned 3%, Matt. 3% was $38,000. What L2 can was given was 0.003%. Okay. It So, it’s hard to argue for this guy being anything but a bad guy when he took I in my opinion, he took advantage of a guy who didn’t speak English. He’s never going to see him again. He’s making more money than he makes in three three months. Here’s here’s where this argument for me and the reason why I stand so firmly on this is because the only reason this is an argument is because he won. It would have never been an argument if he missed the cut. If he missed the cut, paid the guy five grand, nobody would have talked about it. I don’t think we should have talked about it. Why? If he What do you mean why? If he misses the cut, he pays the guy and we move on. the huge the reason why we’re talking about it and the reason why he’s a bad guy. He guaranteed Hold on. No, no, no. He guaranteed he guaranteed him a a rate. He guaranteed he said, “No matter what happens, you work with me this week, you’re going to get X amount. No matter what, I’m going to pay you this number no matter what, whether I win or get cut.” And he said, “Yes.” I have a hard time a hard time saying that this is a bad guy for doing the exact thing he told you he was going to do again. Is that what I would do? No. Is that what a lot of people would do? Probably not. And you’re still And you’re still going to say he’s a good guy for that? He did the exact thing he said he was going to do. So, man, I can’t be mad. I always I always call you a scumbag, but I always thought it was a bit. I knew the exact thing. It’s not a bit. This is This is I told you this is going to this a take and this is the take I’ve had since it happened. When I learned about this thing, I was like, “Well, hold on. Let me figure this thing out.” And I learned, well, think you’re doing you’re doing the pinky in the air thing again. You’re doing the what do the words on the paper say? What did they agree to? Nobody’s disputing what they agreed to. Matt, nobody is saying nobody is saying Matt Cooer deviated from his agreement. What everybody is saying is Matt Cooer agreed to pay the guy a large amount of money, especially relatively speaking, considering this guy’s uh salary, but he won $1.3 million and gave him nothing extra. Anybody else? Anybody else would have given the comment in this argument. You stated that the caddy doesn’t even speak English. Who cares? Who cares? What did he do to earn 3% of what he earned? Who cares? Matt, you’re telling me a good guy is going to say, “Well, he doesn’t speak English, so he doesn’t deserve a tip.” No. What I’m saying? What I’m saying is is there’s goods and services. I’m going to do the thing that I paid for, right? If I say, “Hey, I’m going to give you X amount no matter what, whether I win or get cut, do you agree to these terms?” Yes. Okay, then here we go. Right. So, if I do a good job on my and I live in the world of contracts and margin improvements or not, right? So, if I kick butt on my in in a project that I’m running, I’m not going to the owner of the project going, “Hey, man. I made a lot more money on this project than what I let on. Um, we really are ahead of schedule, you know, financially speaking. So, I would like to send you uh, you know, a a change order so to make sure you get some of your money back because I did so so good, right? Like I was shooting for a 15% margin and I got a 22% margin. So, I’d like to give you some of this money back because 15 is plenty for me. No, you agreed to the terms. You signed the contract. You got the exact money I told you you were going to get. All right. So, hey, we’re we’re we’re getting long. We getting close to kid bed times. I need to hear the final judgment. Matt, this is a moral judgment. Are you deeming Matt Cooer a good guy or a bad guy for his actions in Mexico? Matt Cooer did not lie. He did the exact thing he said he was going to do. He’s not a bad guy. Judge, it’s your job to make the judgment. I need you to tell the court, is Matt Cooer a good guy or is he a bad guy? In the case being presented today in court, Matt Cooer is not a bad guy.
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Oh SNAP!