A CRAZY John Daly story, inside Ian Poulter’s ‘Full Swing’ freak out, and annoying American fans

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The cameras are following him. He’s in the locker room. He’s steaming and he throws the club in the locker. Tips over his back screaming. We’re like, “Oh my god, we got it.” You know, blah blah blah. He’s smashing stuff up just yelling really loud and then he just finishes. Then he looks in the camera, goes, “How was that? Was that good?” He’s like, “Does that pretty good?” We’re like, “Yeah, it was good.” [Music] All right, everyone. Welcome into the Vanity Index podcast. It’s powered by Jab. I’m Wells Adams. I’m alongside Chad Mum. We are almost done with season 1 of the VIP. And we have a big announcement, Chad. Huge. Can we even call it a podcast anymore? I don’t know. Like I feel like should we change it to the Vanity Index program? Vanity program. Yes. We got to keep the VIP. I We can’t lose VIP. It sounds so good. But we do have a huge announcement. And Chad, I’m going to let you make the announcement. All right. Starting in January of next year, season two of the Vanity Index podcast, we’ll now be on the Golf Channel, Wednesdays, 10:00 a.m. Eastern time, 7:00 a.m. Pacific, every single Wednesday for 41 episodes. Baby, we’re on TV now. Come on. I don’t know how you pulled this off of all the things that you’ve done. Full swing, Anthony Kim documentary, that never aired. Um, Happy Gilmore 2. Yeah. Skins game. Skins game, maybe a scripted show coming soon. Yep. Um, the fact that you were able to conn the Golf Channel into allowing us to take over their airwaves for an hour is amazing and crazy. I I’m pretty sure they haven’t seen it. They just, you know, kind of assumed that it was going to be professional, but uh they don’t know what they’re in for. They’re in trouble. I know. But we are building a new studio. Yes, we are. So, we’re going to be leaving my guest bedroom. It’s great in here. I’m going to miss it. I know it’s going to be the early days. We got the pod dog at the feet eating the Kong. She’s in there eating the Kong. Yep. And we got our cocktails. But still, uh, we have to be adults and we have to move on over to a real studio. Um, which is also going to house a simulator. That’s right. So, we’ll be doing this podcast. We’ll be having our guests on A-list celebrities. We got some great guests lined up. We do. I’m actually very excited. Then of course I think we have to go back to the well with some of our triedand-true guests. Richard Kai needs to come back. Charlie Day needs to come back. Maltto. Maltto. Yeah. Yeah. Um and Billy Bush. Oh, Billy should be the first episode. Billy should just be hosting the show. He really should. We’ll just like step aside for Billy Bush. Yeah, exactly. Billy, you could host the show now. Uh yeah. No, I’m pumped. We’ll be Yeah. on the Golf Channel. I can’t believe it. It’s hilarious because whenever um the only chance I ever get to work out really is like at our club and it’s always like Wednesdays at 7, Monday, Wednesday, Friday kind of guy. Yeah. So, I’m going to be in the gym. Golf Channel’s always on. It’s going to be I think a real out of body experience to see us up there on our TVs and I guarantee the members are going to see me walk in and immediately, oh god, look at you turn it off. I don’t know if we’ve talked about this before, but there used to be a rule because there’s so many um kind of like celebrities at um our club that there used to be a rule that you had to take a shot every time someone from the club was on the TVs. I didn’t know about this rule. Yeah. Um they stopped doing it because that it was like this is getting ridiculous. Sure. Um but I think we should bring it back for us. Bring it back. It’s 8 a.m. Obliterate all the members every Wednesday. And Wednesday is a busy day, you know, because it’s it’s a whole it’s the middle of the week. So, you got to get your middle week golf in. So, Wednesday’s typically a pretty busy day for uh for our club in terms of of member play. Um but yeah, I’m excited. I can’t wait. Uh the announcement’s cool. There’s a couple new shows coming to Golf Channel. Um so, as a part of that morning programming block, uh it’s it’s us. It’s uh Smiley Kaufman. So, the Smiley Show is coming to Golf Channel. I like that show. Uh and The Big Swing, which is Jimmy Roberts, our friend of the show, Jimmy Roberts’s new show, his new interview show is coming all about the business of golf. Lovely. Um, so and then obviously Gary Williams and the Five Club show. So, you know, we’ve got this uh we’ve got great company. I can’t believe we’re in that conversation. Smiley Kaufman, you know, broadcaster, tour pro, Jimmy Roberts, legendary reporter, like Olympics caller, and then us, you know, just the two of us idiots. Yeah, we backed on into that. I don’t know how we did. The other one that I heard that they were that was coming back to Golf Channel, which I was really excited about, was Blair Garner um doing uh The Big Break. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Blair O’Neal doing the big break. Big big break is coming back as well. Yes. I love that show. It’s so good. Yeah. So, Good is involved in bringing that back. Oh, cool. So, they’re sort of teaming up and they’re doing a Good Good X Big Break reboot which is really exciting and uh and so yeah, I mean Golf Channel like big future coming for Golf Channel. Pumped about it. It’s going to be awesome. We’re we’ll be there. So, every week stay tuned. Uh but this is our second to last episode of uh just being a podcast. We are going to keep the name. We were talking about this today. Um, you know, do we call it Vanity Index when it’s on television? I think we got to keep the P. So, the Vanity Index podcast will stay, you know, we’re in the future now. We live in the future. It’s 2025. It’ll be 2026. Um, and uh, I feel like, you know, we’ll just keep the podcast. All right. Well, let’s get on into the show. Um, saw this come on through Instagram from the real McNair and I absolutely love this idea. It was a dream club idea. And it’s staff votes one member out each year. It thins the herd. It encourages good behavior. This would be electric. How do you feel about this? I I love this. I love this. I feel like there’s got to be a club somewhere that does this. Maybe not the staff voting, but like the members vote on somebody getting excommunicated and sort of like a one for one, like no new members and like one in one out kind of scenario. It’d be like the Hunger Games of a club. Yeah. You need a real like Yeah. Well, yeah, I guess you would be voted, but you kind of need like a benevolent dictator for something like this. Anyway, get back to this. You said it earlier. Just imagine the tips. Oh my god. If the staff was in control, they’ve never they’ve never lived so good. This be a line out the door from everybody leaving to come work at this club. Everybody would come from all over the country to come be a caddy there, be a staffer. Um, I will say like just speaking of the staff, I think that, you know, we we don’t we talk a lot about like elite country clubs. I think one of the things that gets left out is just what makes them so good. Yeah. And and just like almost 2A club in that top 100. These staff is just so good. Yeah. Take so much pride in it. And um and we had a you know at our club we just had our annual meeting which I think we talked about in the last show which is always good for some content. But they honored a um our kind of mater. Yeah. And he’d been there for 40 years and he’s not he’s not leaving or anything. They just it was his 40th anniversary. So they gave him a nice watch and he you know he comes up in front of the members cries. It’s like it’s so meaningful and he started as a in the locker room as like a shoe guy shoe shine guy, you know, it just like you get to know and you get to these places. Um the staff is what makes it, you know, and uh and the idea that the staff have has like excommunication powers and they get to vote. Really good. I love it. Oh my god. Cuz I don’t think that I would be in jeopardy of getting screwed up. Love you. But uh No, I think it’s such a good idea. The other thing that I we when we talk about like really nice clubs, it’s also taking care of the staff is really important. Um, and like I think we do a cool thing that and I hope that other clubs do it as well is that like kind of every Christmas comes around. Everyone kind of walks around and gives uh like a gift like a Christmas gift bonus or whatever to all the staff members that like obviously are impacting our lives. And I think that that’s a cool thing that I I hope that more clubs are doing. Yeah. Um we were talking kind of off air about, you know, when you get into a golf cart, there’s always like, do you want to use the scorecard app? Um and then obviously with the uh Gin app, you can be putting in your scores manually that way or you can have your just tried andrue analog scorecard. What’s better, do you think, the app or the scorecard? I I am never I’ve never been an app guy. You know, to me, golf is like the sacred time when I can actually not have my phone or not pay attention to my phone. And so, I want that experience to be basically as analog as possible, you know, other than a a rangefinder, you know, or something like that. I even I had like a golf watch. I know you have a golf watch you like, and I love I I had one for a little while, but even that was kind of too much. So, I’m I’m all about rangefinder and scorecard. I’ve got a scorecard holder which I love. It’s sort of got it’s embroidered. It’s got my name on it. Um so yeah, I’m I’m all about it. My my thing is who’s using the the scorecard in the cart like that? I I’ve never seen anyone do that. I used to do it all the time. Really? Yeah. Before I you know in previous life that was always like, “Oh, I’m playing a nice place. It’s got a screen. I got to use the scorecard.” You type your name in. You’re dinging ding. You write in your name and then you’re it’s like it’s like you’re bowling. Bowling. Yeah. You’re bowling. I do like the Jin app. Um, mainly because it you you can say like where you missed, right, left, short, long, and then you can get analytics that way. I did it for a little bit and then I it was also then it was like just too much information. Yeah. But I appreciated it and it kind of helped helped you hone in like where you were missing and where you were excelling, you know? Yeah. I think it’s interesting because I’ve transitioned as a as a golf as a player. I’ve transitioned to, for me, golf is the center of my social life and social experience. And so I I don’t want anything to distract me from socialization on the golf course. And carts do that to me in general cuz you’re sequestered into carts, you’re like, it’s weird because you go and play with somebody and you know, anytime you get a chance to play with someone, you meet them and you’re playing for, you know, getting to know them. When you play around of golf with them, it’s the best way to people talk about all the time. It’s the best way to get to know somebody because you’re together for four or five hours. Um, I find that carts actually really break up that experience. I agree. Because, you know, if you’re playing as a foresome, you might not be in the cart. Even if you are in a cart with somebody, it’s like you you’re you’re in the cart kind of on a mission. You’re getting there and not enough time to really have a talk or tell a story. And then you’re dropping them off, you’re going to your ball. It’s like it actually breaks up the camaraderie. Whereas, you know, you’re walking, you’re walking together, there’s a there’s a longer walk between each shot. You get a chance to kind of get to know people. Um, so I mean that’s one of the reasons I like, you know, kind of would rather walk. But beyond that, I think too, um, you know, I like manually scoring because I can, you know, I’m not I’m not distracted. I’m not pulling my phone out. I’m not seeing notifications or emails or text messages or things like that. You’re just there on the golf on the golf course trying to socialize with people. Um, to me it’s like I treasure that. So yeah, I’m not a I’m not a big app guy. Saw this come in on Instagram from LS Stagner, Golfstat Pro, LS Stagner. Thought this was a good question. Interested to see your answer. You get one shot to win a million dollars. Option one, 8-foot putt, gentle uphill, gentle right to left break. Got to make it. Option two, 100 yards in the fairway. Hole in the center of the green. Greens are receptive. No wind. Got to hit it inside of 25 ft. What are you taking? Well, since this is Luke Stagner and I know his game, yeah, he’s a stat guy. He he wants you to say option two because it’s 25 ft. But he’s going to then I guarantee that and I don’t know I didn’t see this before, but I guarantee that the follow-up post is like the average amateur golfer hits it inside of 20 ft like once every 5,000 shots. So, you’re much better off hitting the putt. But, I would definitely take the putt. I mean, one, it’s right to left. It’s uphill. Uh, you know, your chances of that going in are much higher, I think, than your chances of hitting the green from inside of 25 ft even at 100 yards. And I think you would probably have a stat to back that up that even like a tour level player does not hit it inside of 25 ft every single time from 100 yards. So, you know, why would you take that? The chances of making that input are a lot higher. But what about what about you? I agree. Uh option one is I think the answer. Um especially for a right-handed player because right-handed players generally see the the right to left putt really really well. Um so yeah, I think it’s option one. I saw some of our our friends uh Michael Pena he commented on this saying number one could Chuck Blade or the other option from a hundred yards uh and a million dollar pressure and then I saw Leourne from New Girl said number two. So Oh wow. I know. I also like that uh Pena just won’t even type the word shank. Yeah, he doesn’t want to put that in the universe. I know. By the way, Pena needs to come on the show. Yeah, we got to get him on. That’ll be a good Golf Channel episode. Pñan Le too actually. There you go. We’ll we’ll make it happen. Okay. So, I saw this this one. This was making the rounds a couple weeks ago. I think maybe like writer copy um time, but we never talked about it and it’s just so funny to me. It’s American fans versus European fans. It’s Ian Palter and Terrell Hatton talking about it. And you’ve probably seen the videos of like strongly agree, agree, disagree, strongly disagree. Um, and I just think that his take is just so great. American golf fans are better than European golf fans. [Applause] I don’t even know where to start. There’s no I mean mashed potato and all that that you hear is madness. In the hole. Get in the hole. It’s a 600y par five, you idiot. You ever turned around and said that? I actually just want to borrow the taser or like the security guard just to let one go per hole would be amazing. Imagine that. You got one taser per hole. That’d be awesome. I couldn’t agree with Ian Palter more about this. Yeah, it was it was a really illuminating experience for me the first time I went to the uh Open Championship. Yeah, it was when it was at St. Andrews um when Cam Smith won and the just the fandom was like a totally different it was like a totally different crowd and the in the open in general the way they do the the stands and the hospitality it’s like there’s so many people out there I mean it’s hund it’s like 200,000 people 150,000 people giant grandstands it’s very different from the sort of American corporate hospitality they have corporate hospitality tents but they’re not like they’re not up against the holes that’s all kind of general admission and the and the fans are so knowledgeable and you know you’re in there with the Scotsman and they’re just like it was a it was a totally different appreciation. It’s like going to the Masters. The Masters is like that, too. That cultivates a fan base that you know, and they and they police it at at Augusta. So, you you know, you you’re not yelling mashed potatoes at the Masters. And it sort of self- selects for people who care about golf. You know, they they say you don’t want to boo bad shots, that kind of stuff. Um or cheer bad shots, I guess you’d say. Uh but but the whole crowd at the Open kind of has that vibe. So, yeah. No, I I I love this. What about you? Yeah, I can’t stand when someone yells out Baba Buouie or mashed potatoes. I It It just for whatever re It’s like to me it’s like, “Dude, that’s a dork, dude. Come on.” Like, what are you doing? The get in the hole on a par five. What are you talking about? Just say good shot or whatever. I do like, you know, I think it was like I think it was Bob does sports who was doing the like he would say funny things to players. Yeah. The tea roasting kind of stuff. I like that. Yeah, that’s great. But the um the stupid stuff that people yell out, especially on the T- box, is so I it’s I get it. You want to be on TV. You want to be like that was me or whatever, but no one cares. Yeah, it’s it’s I’m like kind of surprised that that’s still going, you know, especially in the social media era. Like that was such a you know, I don’t know. That started with Tiger in like the 2000s. You know, people yelling out mashed potatoes and so many Tiger driving highlights are all mashed potatoes, get in the hole. You’re like baba. But it’s still happening. It’s that was 25 years ago. Come on, let’s just like let’s just cheer, you know? Let’s just like be yelling when the ball’s in the air. Um that that was part of the Tiger Madness for sure. Um that actually I love Ian Palter. I love Ian Palter. I I miss being around Ian Palter week in and week out on the PGA tour and um just because he’s hilarious and the best. Such a great personality. Um I have I have two quick Ian Palter full swing stories. So he was he was the subject of Full Swing season one. Yeah. And back famously like threw clubs into a locker in anger. Yeah. Okay. So that scene which was in the uh trailer, it’s the match play and uh and we’re filming with Ian. Yeah. And so he’s in the locker room and he loses his match. So he doesn’t I think it was like he lost a semi-final match or something like that. So the cameras are following him. He’s in the locker room. He’s steaming and he throws the club Mhm. in the locker tips over his back screaming. We’re like, “Oh my god, we got it.” You know, blah blah blah. He’s smashing stuff up. Just a [ __ ] Yelling really loud and then he just finishes. Then he looks in the camera goes, “How was that? Was that good?” Like was that pretty good? We’re like, “Yeah, it was good. He knew what he was doing.” And of course, golf clap, mashed potatoes. He knew exactly what he was doing and it made it into the trailer. It’s like a pivotal moment and we didn’t tell him to do it, but he just immediately like does all this and then just looks in the camera and goes, “How’s that?” It was pretty good. So, that was the first story. Second one, you cut out the how is that? Of course. Yeah. Yeah. We We left it We left it in the moment, you know, didn’t realize it was he was putting it on for the cameras. Um it’s television. Wells. Uh anyway, so but back before that when we were recruiting for Full Swing, um it was the Tory Pines’s uh US Open. So this would have been like 20 Yeah, maybe 2019 probably. Um yeah, maybe. Yeah, when when was that? Either way, uh maybe it was 2021. It was right before we started filming like the show show. Uh and so we really wanted to get Bryson in in the series. And so we had a meeting with Bryson and his agent. We were sitting at Tory Pines um on the Well, either way, it doesn’t matter. We’re at Tory Pines. It was either the US Open or it was the um the the Farmers. Probably the Farmers actually now that I think about it. Anyway, we’re at the we’re at Tory Pines, the Farmers uh Farmers Invitational, Farmers Insurance Championship, whatever it’s called. Um and we’re having like a meeting with Bryson and his agent and we’re sitting on the deck and there’s this really nice like old building there or this hotel. Uh, and so we’re sitting there meeting with Bryson and it’s like me and his agent having this conversation and sitting like just next to us at the table is Ian Poulter and his caddy and we’re I’m in full pitch mode to Bryson and his agent about why he should be in full swing and it’s like Formula 1. We’re doing the drive to survive kind of thing. How good is this going to be? And we’re just in this long like 45minute meeting. And I watch like Ian and his caddy like finish up their lunch, pay their bill. They’re just still kind of hanging. And then the caddy gets up and leaves. And Ian’s just trying not to look like he’s eavesdropping, but he totally is eavesdropping. He’s like he just refuses to get up. And literally he sits for like 30 more minutes just by himself kind of like not paying attention. You know, whatever. I’m just sitting here. I’m looking at my phone. I’m looking at my phone. So then Bryce and his agent get up and leave. And literally as soon as they’re like around the corner walking out of the room, Ian leans over and goes, “Hey, I kind of heard what you were talking about.” I’m like, “Oh, you did? Didn’t notice.” He’s like, “Listen, uh, you know, I’ll never do it for one, but if you want it to be great, do it.” Like, I love it. Yeah, sure. We’ll be in touch. He’s like, “How much you paying?” I’m like, “Nothing. You’re just not paying.” He’s like, “Well, I’d never do it.” He’s like, “But I’d be great at it.” Yeah. I was like, “Yeah, you would.” And then we got to know him and then he came into the show and he was awesome and uh and you know was putting on their private jet ride to London and um going to his son’s Sage Valley Invitational and just like the best like one of the greatest characters ever. um definitely should be a writer cup captain one day. Yes. You know, whatever is going on with the sort of European tour stuff. It’s so like he needs to be a writer%. He’s just like Ian Palter is the greatest at that. And just a personality that I missed. Someone who is is brash and loud but has just like this warmth and like charisma to him. There’s just like not an [ __ ] bone in his body. Like just a really great human being that I loved hanging out with. So, uh want to see you soon, Ian. I love that you’re talking [ __ ] about American fans. Yeah, and we agree with you. Actually, yeah, you’re right. Some people are television stars and some people aren’t. TV star for sure. They should have been a reality show actually. I still want you guys to do a full swing just on the wives of the golfers. Yeah, wags. Full swing wags. God, that would be so good. You and me both, dude. I would love to do that because you know what? Here’s the thing. Here’s my p Netflix, if you’re watching, listening. Here’s my pitch to you. We the guys, the golf guys will watch it and then you can get the housewives viewers, the Bravo fans to then get into that as well and it would just be a ratings bonanza. Just saying. But whatever. All right, I’m going to work on that. Speaking of wives of golfers, I saw this video come in, a question for us, and I liked it and I thought we should maybe talk about it a little bit. All right, let’s see it. Okay, golfers, question for you. If you’re going on a golf trip, you’re going to be doing um 318s three days in a row. You’re not a professional golfer by any means. Um but you also like you’ve been golfing for a bit. Um how many golf balls would you bring on this trip? Cuz I feel like my husband is bringing an excessive amount of golf balls for this amount of golf. And I just want to see if it’s a normal guy thing or not. Um I also grew up golfing. I don’t golf as much now with small children. Um, but I would never think to pack this many balls for the same amount of golf. So, let me know. My initial thought is I think this is amazing that the wife is thinking that he has overpacked. Um, and anyone who’s married knows that uh like I have a carry-on and my wife has three checked bags. Um, but three rounds, way too many golf balls. How many golf balls are you bringing for 318s if you’re a let’s say a 15 handicap? Okay. First off, if there’s ever a scenario where a guy is going to overpack, Yeah. it’s a golf trip. You got to have the rain gear wells. Yeah. What if you want to change your shoes, but they get wet? Yeah. What if you just have a different look for the second day? I need hand warmers probably. You got to have some like a beanie if it gets cold. Two pairs of shoes because if one gets wet, then I need to have the next one for the next day. Obviously, maybe you want to be in sport mode one day. And then maybe you want to be classy one day. Absolutely. You got shorts, pants, for sure. Cashmere, but also again something more performanceoriented. Yep. You got a multiple polos. What if you have an emergency nine? You sweated through the first one. Yeah. And then what if you what if like you think might need a driving iron. Heaven forbid got to throw a couple extra clubs in there. Yeah. I mean, if you’re going to Ireland or Scotland, you definitely need a driving iron. Yeah. And maybe a sevenwood. Yeah. You know, and a couple extra wedges because like who knows what the conditions are going to be. Yeah. What if you need like lower bounce? Wells. Definitely need lower bounds and and like uh you know umbrella. It’s going to rain. Got to have umbrella. Gotta have an umbrella. And then and then golf balls. So we finally made it made it around to golf balls. Um how many the thing I’m missing in this video is like the the pan over to like a stack of like 36 I think. So here’s my thought. This is what I think she’s saying. I think he’s got three cases. Three cases for three rounds. And I think she’s saying you’re going to go through a case every round. Yeah, that’s my initial thought. Yeah, I you know, this is interesting because like the thing about you can always buy more golf balls. There’s not a golf course in the world where you can’t buy sleeve of balls if you need more. Um I get it. You maybe ordered, you’ve got your custom balls with your own little logo on them or something like that. And then maybe I could see bringing like two cases on a golf trip. I could even see a world where you bring in three cases. Yeah, cuz whatever. You bring them home. You know, it’s check bag. You don’t have to carry that thing around. You’re dragging it. It’s probably got wheels on your on your bag. Heaven forbid you’re using shipsticks, you don’t even have to worry about it. Yeah. Um so I don’t know. I to me it would always be like one um dozen balls, but if I was going on a longer trip, maybe Yeah. Maybe two. I don’t know. I’m like a lot less uh I used to think a lot about this now and I’m just kind of like whatever. I’ll just if I need more, I’ll just buy some in the pro shop, you know? Um but but yeah, I don’t know. I I I think like we we need to know how many how many would you bring? I think the right answer there three rounds. I think you take a case. So that gives you a sleeve for every round. Then you have an extra sleeve in case you need it or maybe um someone loses balls and you’re like, “Here, I got you.” Um and then yeah, like you probably also have balls in your bag just like some used ones. Do you have like crappier? Of course. Balls for like the the round’s not going great. I don’t want to lose any more good balls. We’re going to go find one that’s a little scuffed up. This is like this just hits me so deep on my growing up not, you know, not growing up poor, but being a kid without money policy of just like you never throw away a nice ball. Yeah. And and I have to really force myself to like throw a ball away after a round. Like if I because a lot of times I’ll play around, I’ll use one ball the whole round. Our course doesn’t have a lot of trouble or there’s no water hazards or anything like that. So you it’s feasible you’d play a whole round with the ball. And I get to the end of it, I’m like, “Well, it’s probably it’s probably usable. Let’s toss it back in.” Heaven forbid I got another one I hit maybe two or three times. I mean, it’s definitely going back in the bag. But yeah, I I like hold on to balls for for probably too long. I mean, you should, you know, at this point I should be able to just like, you know, you know, throw them away or recycle them or donate them to the juniors, something like that. But, uh, but yeah, no, I I I still have some scuffy ones in there just just in case, you know. Hey, there’s something about like the confidence of like you you’re worried about losing a ball and and putting a kind of shitty one out there. Yeah. You’re going to keep it in play. Yeah. Because you’re just like not worried about it. So, this is a reverse psychology of it. Totally. So, if you’re bringing out a freshy on a on a forced carry or something where there’s a lot of OB, there’s no chance. That’s gone. There’s nothing worse than a brand new golf ball that you send out of bounds or into the water. It’s just the worst feeling. It doesn’t matter how much money you have. I guarantee you that like the billionaires that are playing this game are still pissed off with a fresh one that goes in the water. It’s just there’s something about it. Okay. I think the answer is a case. Yeah. For a golf trip. Yeah. I mean, you need more plus some in your in your bag. I think two cases is reasonable for even for 3 days just cuz you got some extras, you know, whatever. Like, who knows what’s going to happen. You may have it may be windy, maybe a bad day. You’re playing in the UK, there’s going to be, you know, gorse and stuff. So, I think two cases is reasonable. It’s not too heavy. You can you can manage that. All right. Now it’s time for our segment overheard from JAB. From the lab to the course, JAB Tech is trusted by the pros with gear engineered in the lab. Built for every practice, every flight, and every moment you need to lock on in. Yeah, I’ve been using the JAB JBuds party Bluetooth speaker. Yep. It’s got lights on it. Deep resonant sound. Um JBLAB delivers headphones, earbuds, Bluetooth speakers designed for life and that respect your budget. So look for the Blue Box at retailers everywhere or shopjab.com. And thank you to Jab for all your support. Now, I had something queued up for our overheard, but you are trumping that and you’ve got something else. I saw in our um like a golf group chat that you recently got to hang out with the man, the myth, the legend, John Dailyaly. Um and I think that that’s what this overheard’s about. Yeah. Yeah. So, I was with John Dailyaly uh earlier this week and um and had a chance to hang out with him, did an interview with him on stage. Uh, one, it was kind of surreal because we were in Vegas at this conference. Did you know you were going to be doing this? Yeah, I knew I was gonna be doing Yeah, it was scheduled. Um, but we were in the O at the Bellagio, you know, the O that search show in their in their like arena or whatever. So, we’re doing this interview like on chairs that are like over this glass stage over like 2 million gallons of water. It was surreal. We’re like walking into the stage and there’s just like wet suits everywhere. It was it was kind of crazy. Anyway, so John Dailyaly, um, we were prepping in the green room for this talk and so I was, you know, it’s like we were doing some talk for some like restaurant people and I was like, “Hey, how did the John Dailyaly cocktail come about?” I was like, “How great is that?” Like, did you lean into that and name it? Obviously, it’s based on the Arnold Palmer. Yeah. Um, did you lean into that? Did someone else come up with it and you just kind of grabbed onto it? Because he has John Daly’s, you know, this Good Boy vodka brand. They make their own John Dies. And he’s like, “No, I invented that when I was nine years old. So he tells this story. Okay. He goes he goes, “Yeah, it was uh I was in Darnell, Arkansas, and we won our uh I was nine years old, our little league team. We were sponsored by Piggly Wiggly. We won the uh the little league championship in our town.” And so we went back to celebrate at our house. And my mom used to make uh sweet tea in the sun, you know, sun tea. You’ve been in the south, you know about sun tea. And then lemonade. And daddy loved his vodka. And so I I my parents were nowhere to be found. And we’re all the kids are all celebrating. So, I thought we might ought to celebrate. So, I went and got her sweet tea and I pulled some lemonade and I mixed it all together in a big jug and I got daddy’s vodka and I dumped the whole thing in there and we had a couple shot glasses. So, we lined them all up and each kid took a shot of this concoction. It tasted pretty good. So, then we did another one and then we did a third one and then we had a group a whole team of nine-year-olds who were wasted off their butts. And I looked at my brother and I said, “If one of us becomes famous, we’re going to have to patent this drink.” Yeah. It’s either going to be called the Jamie Dailyaly or the John Dailyaly. And that’s how it got invented. Really? This is straight from his mouth. Listen, we don’t condone underage drinking, but why am I not shocked that that story is true, right? It’s It’s one of those things that even if it’s not, I’m glad that it exists. Yeah. Um I love that the Arnold Palmer became this iconic golf drink and that obviously the boozy version of that was going to be mixed with vodka and is going to be called the John Dailyaly. But he had already he’d already gone there, Welss. Yeah, he had already gone there even as a as a nine-year-old kid. He’s crazy, man. You see these videos where he’s playing golf in a cart barefoot and he’s got like a full bottle of Kettle One or something just in one of the cup holders. It’s so funny, too, cuz he’s like he’s he’s very he’s a really good storyteller, actually. So, I just had to kind of tee him up and then he would go and run. Um, but one of the things I asked him was like, “How long what’s the longest drive you ever hit?” And I was like, “I bet you don’t know.” He’s like, “No, man. Why would I know that it was 88 yards?” Did he hit a cart path or something? No, he was at the LAX runway for a Wilson commercial. Oh, yeah. I was like, “Oh, that’s pretty good.” So, he but he knew they measured it. He said it was 88 yards right down the middle of the runway. But he was so long back then. It was It was like right before my time. But you look at the So, we you know, I’m we’re bringing the Skins game back. So, we’ve been watching all these old Skins highlights. Obviously, he was in the one that we saw, but then in uh 96, um there’s a video, by the way, if you if you’re interested in watching that. We did a watch along for the 91 skins game, but the 96 skins game was with Tiger Woods. It was the first time he played in the skins game, and it was him and John Dailyaly. And they got this whole buildup to it was like, who’s going to outdrive who? Yeah. And I was looking back and doing research on it, and their their drives there was like 380 yards, 360, 345, 370, like in 1996 playing like titless professional 382s or whatever. Totally. and like little steel shafted drivers, you know, steel shafted like steelheaded drivers 370 yards with the roll out in the desert. I mean, bonkers distance back then and they were just going at it, you know. It was crazy. Just he he’s he’s the man and and just like the um the stories and the vibes. He told a great story about Arnold Palmer and just like sitting at the table with him. Yeah. As a rookie at Bel at Bay Hill and it’s like Arie and Jack and you know um Fuzzy Zeller and Tom Watson and they’re all just kind of hanging around and he’s just like where where did I where did this come from? And just his stories of he was the ninth alternate and and won the PGA championship, you know, just absolutely never seen the golf course before and and won. his his book, My Life In and Out of the Rough, is a fantastic read. It’s a good one. Um, if you haven’t read that or listened to it on Audible, you should. It is so good and so crazy. Here’s my question to you about John Dale. I’ve met him a couple times. He’s this person that like his personality, his persona is bigger than him, right? Like it precedes him everywhere he goes. And there are people that like I think lean into that. And I wonder, you know, like he’s like the drinking, smoking, partying, musician, like ultra although doesn’t give a [ __ ] I wonder if he leans into it more than it than it really is. Like I don’t know if I think he’s drunk all the time. I think he pretends like he’s drinking all the time. I think I think it’s just totally who he is. And yeah, I don’t think he I mean he wasn’t drunk. He wasn’t drinking when we were together. who just drank he smoked a ton of cigarettes and drank probably like eight diet cokes while we were up on stage. But you know, you understand my question, right? That are you leaning into this like this thing that people think you are. Yeah. Yeah. I I I’ve you know, I don’t think so. I’ve spent enough time around him. I think he’s that’s just who he is. I I think he just doesn’t care. I I think he truly doesn’t care. He doesn’t care what people think of him. I think it’s weird. He’s like completely comfortable in his own skin. He feels no pressure from anybody. You know, he’s lived a crazy life. I mean that book. So I did read the book as a prep for our talk that we did on stage. And the my only real bright light takeaway was that the most times he ever had sex in one day was 10. Yeah. Which I was like, that’s a that’s a course record for me, baby. Like I ain’t ever touching that one, you know? He also told me he shot 57 once at his home course, which is awesome. Guy’s got game, but he just doesn’t care. And he didn’t really, you know, he was great as a person to interview and just chat with because he just doesn’t really care what you think. But he but he stuck around. and he took pictures with everybody, you know, and he’s like kind of an old school throwback guy cuz this was like a this like a restaurant conference. And so he’s like, “Are they Chick-fil-A guys here?” And we’re like, “Yeah, they’re actually over there.” He’s like, “I just I love Chick-fil-A.” You know, they came over and they like gave him some free chicken sandwich carts and he was just like happy as can be. You know, he’s a guy who would like probably tell you where the best Red Lobster is, you know, anywhere in the country cuz he just drives around in his RV. But he really he really doesn’t he doesn’t care what people think. He cares a lot about his son, his family. He wants his son is like the polar opposite of talking to him. You know, little John is like he’s a fifth year senior at Arkansas. Took a pretty deep run at the US Amar this summer. Yeah. Um and just like, you know, but but apparently he’s like the opposite of his dad. You know, he’s like a hardcore Christian kid, really wants to do well and like is way more focused and cares about his health and you know, he’s on a fitness plan and doesn’t drink and all that. Um but but John’s like the quintessential great American story. Yeah. And and I think um you know it’s just the the the cloud of all the other chaos in his life I think kind of overwhelms the the just the purity of like how great that story is. The ultimate kind of rags to athletic riches that kind of only golf can provide you know in a way that he literally drove himself from Memphis to Indiana to Crooked Stick in 91 overnight. arrived at like 4:00 a.m. and teed it up in the PGA Championship where they had to write his name in a Sharpie on the driving range on his little placard and ends up winning the golf tournament. It just it boggles the mind how cool that story is. And I I I’m I want more John Dies in my life. You know, I think with with John Dailyaly, I think that because of how good he was without really seemingly not trying, I think we all wanted more from him. Yeah. Um, but I wonder like DJ has the same thing that I think John Dailyaly has, which is the like the I don’t give up f, which is so very helpful in golf. Hence why we all drink on the golf course cuz the second that you have that feeling of like I don’t care, whatever. I’m just having a good time. Totally. And I wonder if JD, if he had taken it more seriously, he wouldn’t have done as well as he did. I mean, say what you want about John Dailyaly. He has two majors. Do you know how many amazing golfers do not have one major? Yeah. I mean, this guy he’s got two. And he’s got one of them. We talked about this earlier at the old course at the place where you want to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That probably means more than, you know, than a major anywhere else. Honestly, that and Augusta, if you get two, you’d be Zach Johnson. Yeah. Kind of set for life. So, yeah. Love John Dailyaly. Last thing we’re going to do is our segment, Can’t Knock It, brought to you by Knockground. Proud partner of the Vanity Index podcast. These guys make seriously awesome shades and now they’re the official eyewear of the PGA Tour. They also make a wide selection of performance shades designed to heighten contrast and definition and actually help you see the greens more clearly. 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Okay. I love I love a 9:00 am tea time, but it’s Friday, so it’s like it’s still a work day. It’s not a holiday, so you’re like you might not be done with work yet. I think like a 1:00 Friday tea time in the summer, you know, you can kind of you’re sliding in the weekend. You’re not going to your phone’s not going to be blowing up. Yeah. So, it’s like you’re you’re ready to golf and you’re and you can focus. Um 9:00 a.m. it’s like you might get a couple emails, there might be some texts, there might be some slacks. So, it’s it’s good, but it’s not perfect. So, I’m going to go with two. Well, you called it. Um, next up, the 100 p.m. Friday tea time. Oh, baby. Let’s Let’s send it. Okay. Uh, 1 pm tea time. That is my standard game. I’m going to go with number one there. Uh, it Yeah, for all the reasons I just said. I will say though, the 9:00 a.m. Friday tea time usually is the skins game at a lot of clubs and that’s always a very fun game to be in. It’s a fun game to be in. Yeah. Just the the freedom of being like, I can literally ignore my phone and the rest of the world for another four hours at one o’clock on a Friday. Yeah. Is is pretty elite. And you have the whole weekend ahead of you. Oh, exactly. And your wife’s probably not going to be mad cuz it’s not, you know, there’s no kids soccer or anything. It’s not Saturday. Yeah. Yeah. You’ll be home by the time you would be home for work, probably. Exactly. Speaking of the weekend, the 10 a.m. Saturday tea time. I’m going to put this at number five because I could never do it. Why? Because I got three little kids and so the middle of the day on a Saturday like which 10:00 you know kind of assuming you’re going to be done at 2 2:30 3 that’s the worst of both worlds because you’re you’re you know you’re there in the morning I guess but the bulk of the day you’re just out playing golf. So, I think if you’re if you’re a dad and you’ve got kids, you got to go super early on a Saturday. Be first out. Be try to be home by like 11:00. So, at least you’re Hey, I’m there the rest of the day. But, man, 10:00 a.m., you know, you’re you’re leaving the house at 8:30. So, you’re just kind of missing in the morning anyway. You got to go warm up and, you know, get get yourself situated and then you’re playing your round and you’re done at 2:30. You set up your bets. You’re home at 3:00. I I think that’s death. I think that’s bad. So, unless the kids are out of town or something, right? Well, as the guy with no kids, I love that tea time. I know you cuz I get to sleep in just a little bit after whatever I did on Friday night. Get to the club around 9:00, go off at 10:00. You’re living the dream life. Well, I’m so jealous of that. I think I’ve played on Saturday at our club like three times in seven years. Yeah. All right. Up next, 100 p.m. on Sunday afternoon. Oh, that’s a good one. I like I’m going to throw that at number three. Okay. Because that also, again, I’m sort of orienting around the family here. The weekend’s almost over. You know, you’re there’s no youth sports scheduled for Sunday afternoons. Yeah. So, and maybe this is the time you’re bringing your kids out. This is when I historically whenever I’ve taken the kids golfing. Yeah. Golf. I can’t say golf. When I play golf with my kids, it’s been uh it’s been like the Sunday afternoon tea time. We’re out late. Course is usually pretty empty or it’s mostly families. It’s a good vibe. It’s a good aesthetic. You lay down maybe a transfusion in the mix of that. You’re just having a great day. And then you cruise right into like if it’s the fall, you cruise right into Sunday football. Y maybe have dinner at the club. Cocktails. dinner at the club. It’s like it’s the end of a perfect day. The perfect way to kick off a week. Can I make a suggestion for all the golfers out there whose wives are annoyed with them for golfing? The Sunday 100 p.m. 2:00 p.m. tea time. Is the is the round that you should be like, “Babe, come with me.” Mhm. Sit in the cart. Yeah. We’ll get you an entire bottle of rosé. Just sit just have a good time. Just hang. Yeah. Put on some music. No stress. Watch your phone. Whatever. Yeah. But come out there and I’m telling you, there’s not a single woman in the world that won’t be like by the by the third hole being like, “This is awesome. This is great. This is the best. I want to do this.” All right. Well, we know the where the last one’s going, but I’m still going to give it to you. 7 a.m. Thursday. Oh, yeah. So, I’m feel good about this four. Yeah. I mean, 7 a.m. Thursday is tough. It’s it’s a work day for most people. Yeah. I mean, it is for me. I don’t know about you, but but some Not for me, too. I’m unemployed a lot. But but the thing about like the the first tea time out, you can usually get through really quickly and still get to work and be okay. Look, these are all in the top five. Wells, so they’re all great. Any any tea time means you’re playing golf, which means it’s fantastic. Any day on the golf course is a good day. So there’s no losing in this blind ranking. Yeah. Um and I do love a do sweepy first out. Like it’s a great feeling. And and there’s just something about the the energy and buzz of a club like in a really early morning scenario. And it reminds me of working golf like when I used to get there pre-dawn, you know, when I was working as a cart boy or running the range at the college course. Like being at a golf course when it’s still dark and as the sun comes up and you’re drinking your coffee and you’re just kind of feeling the energy. You smell the grass, they’re cutting it like it’s due sweep. It’s just it is pretty good. So So again, in the spirit of there being no bad tea times ever, uh you know, 7 a.m. on a Thursday, I’d take it still. I’d love it. It’d be great. But in in the grand scheme of our rankings, I feel pretty good about where that sits. No bad tea times is a good name for a like a podcast or something. That is a good one. Yeah. Maybe our spin-off show. Yeah. Just with just Billy Bush’s podcast. All right. So, Wells, you know, we’ve been doing this episode. I think this is our 39th episode. Yes, it is. I remember when we started this podcast, we said, “Let’s see if we can get 10.” Yeah. We were planning on just like 10 episodes. We’ll see how it goes. Uh and here we are. 40 episodes and a Golf Channel television. So, so congratulations. I mean, what happens at 80? It’s feature film, I guess. Yeah. Do we win awards or something? The Vanity Vanity Index movie, you know, it’s coming out. That’d be great. Um, so anyway, uh, you know, we every time we’ve had guests on, we asked them our rapid fire questions. We did this for the show from me uh last time. So, it’s my turn to put you on the hot seat. Okay. Uh, rapid fire questions. Ven index. Here we go. So, uh, what is your current handicap? I think it’s 4-1 right now. 41 or 42, which I feel like is about right. Golf style, bold, or classic. I think I am classic. You’re Don’t even think about anything other than that. Of course, you’re classic. But see, this question always confused me because you wrote them. No, I didn’t. Your team wrote these because it could be like bold could be like I go for it in two on a par five every single time or I lay up. Yeah. But classics, this is style. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, these are open to interpretation by the guest. So, exactly. Interpret it however you want. So, that so classic. Yes. I would say your style is bold in its classicism in that you show up wearing like a lot of knits and wools. A lot of pleated things. A lot of pleated things, which is, you know, it’s not a traditional. I mean, it’s traditional, but not like in a modern sense. So, it’s both classic, but the classic classness makes it bold. So, anyway. Damn, do I look good. You do look good. Uh, and never any hats. Um, never a hat. All right, here we go. Morning coffee or post round beer? Um, I liked your answer last week. I like the beer before the round. Yeah, that’s right. It’s just forget the morning coffee. We’re going pre-round beer and then maybe a post round coffee to soap yourself up for evening activities. Flip these around. Uh, walk or ride. Walk every day. Mhm. Uh, biggest golf pet peeve. Slow play. Favorite course you’ve ever played? The old course. Did I say that, too? Yeah. I’m sorry. No, it’s it’s okay. I I Pebble Beach is a close second. I know. Say it’s like 1 A and 1B. Yeah. Uh, one course that you want to play that’s not Augusta. You can help me out with this. Don’t say Austo. Austo would be great. Damn it. Well, you know, I can get this podcast on the television, but I absolutely cannot get you on to Augusta National. Sorry. Okay, fine. Okay. So, um, uh, get to the course early or out of the car into the first te. Get to the course early. Mhm. Yeah. We talked about our warm-up warm-up routines. I am never late to anything. It’s true, actually. And so, golf it especially. I’m always there early. You know, I’ve actually I’ve never been late to this podcast once. No, never. It’s going to be different when we’re on TV. I actually be on time. It’s really a problem. Uh, okay. Um, let’s see. So, you can jump around, too. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, let’s do the dream forome one. I love that one. Okay. I loved your answer last week and it’s always what mine would have been. My father and my two brothers and it used to exist with that was my my dad always said uh I had the perfect amount of boys because I have the perfect foresome. Oh man. And um what a line. I know. And and to be honest with you, like my dad’s a little too old now to be playing golf with us, which is a bummer. And my other brother like doesn’t he’s so good, but like doesn’t care. Yeah. Yeah, he’s like one of those guys that like won’t play, but then he’ll he won’t play for three years, then he’ll go shoot 82 and you’re like, “Dude, you don’t understand how good you could be or whatever.” Um, but yeah. Uh, but caveat, Dream Forsome, my dad, my two brothers at Tahhea where we played a lot of rounds growing up together. Yeah. I feel like, you know, when we get celebrities on the show, we want them to give an answer that isn’t just like my dad, my brothers, you know, we want some good some good juice. But the older you get, I feel like the more that that’s that’s what makes golf great. Those memories, you know, that you have from when you started. To be honest with you, playing with like Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson and John Dailyaly would stress me the [ __ ] out. Yeah. I don’t know if I would enjoy that. Better for that. I’d like that photo from the first te and then the stories. But now you three go and I’m I’ll watch you. I’ll walk and watch. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, okay. So, uh, here we go. What’s your favorite golf club in the back? Sevenwood. Least favorite club? Four iron. Have you ever had a hole in one? Yes, I have with you, Chad. Oh, who was with you? Damn it. We’ve already covered this. Yeah. Uh, what’s your best score ever? Um, I shot 71 under par at Tiar Roa once. And then one word to describe your game. Quick. See, I don’t know why we don’t interrupt these cuz I would have said I would have gone all the way back to classic. Yeah, cuz your aesthetic is classic. You have a very classic swing, actually. But it’s quick. It’s It is quick, but it was they were quick back then. I feel like, you know, with the uh the frame rate of old film reels always look like super fast. So, how would you know? You’re just copying Bobby Jones. That’s right. You are classic. You are quick. You are my co-host of this podcast now television show. Yes. Uh so, we got a lot to look forward to, my friend. Uh this has been a fun one. We’ve known about the Golf Channel thing for a little bit. It’s exciting to actually finally get to say it out loud. So, please, starting early next year, 10:00 a.m. Wednesday mornings, make sure you’re having breakfast with us. It’s going to be a lot of fun. Follow us on social media if you’re not already at Vanityindexodcast on Instagram. Follow uh Scratch on YouTube and on Tik Tok um and on X as well, where all these episodes will be airing as well. And yeah, we got one more left, buddy. Really? before we’re on television. So, we’ll see you next week. You want to know something funny about the television thing? I’ve been on TV a lot at this point now. I’ve done like over 150 episodes of one television show. The only time my father has ever said he’s proud of me was when I told him I’m going to be on the Golf Channel.