Master Golf Strategy with Scott Fawcett and the Decade System

Discover the Secrets to Smarter Golf Strategy with Scott Fawcett!
Join Chris Finn as he interviews Scott Fawcett, founder of the groundbreaking Decade Golf system, in this must-watch episode for golfers of all levels. They explore the power of data to transform your game, revealing insights into strategy, decision-making, and performance optimization used by professional and amateur players alike.
🌀 Key Topics Covered:
The Tiger 5 Mistakes: What they are and how avoiding them saves strokes.
The Role of Distance in Golf: How adding just 20 yards can revolutionize your game.
Decade Golf Explained: A step-by-step system for smarter course management.
PGA Tour Insights: From Scottie Scheffler’s strategy to putting myths debunked.
How to Avoid Bogeys: Why focusing on bogey prevention is better than chasing birdies.
💡 What You’ll Learn:
Why “Drive for Show, Putt for Dough” is just a myth.
The surprising truth about shot patterns and strategy.
How understanding data like shot distribution can lower your handicap.
Tactical lessons from PGA pros who simplified their game and found success.
🖥️ Learn More About Decade Golf:
Start making smarter decisions on the course today! Visit decade.golf for exclusive access to Scott’s proven system and tools.
📅 Timestamps to Navigate the Video:
0:00 – Introduction & Scott Fawcett’s Journey
5:40 – What Is Decade Golf?
12:18 – Lessons from Tiger’s Data-Driven Success
18:40 – Why Distance Matters More Than Ever
26:00 – Putting Myths & Advanced Speed Control Tips
34:55 – Avoiding Mistakes and Managing Your Round Like a Pro
50:00 – Final Thoughts & Call to Action
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Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I’m your host, Chris Finn, and today I’m very excited to have with me a uh fellow data head uh that uh is helping many of you already uh around the world. But uh he is somebody that I’ve been looking forward to getting on this show for a really long time. Uh for those of you who don’t know him, uh he was a collegiate golfer. He played professionally, played in the US Open, uh and has helped golfers uh since then, particularly around the course management. uh the founder of Decade Golf, Scott Faucet. Scott, excited to have you on, man. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. I I always enjoy these conversations. It’s funny cuz I I feel like I say the same thing a lot, but I always enjoy them. So, it’s it’s kind of fun. Yeah. Well, it’s it’s fun to, you know, I think for everyone listening, you know, that we work with obviously are they’re fitness nerds. Um so, they are always looking for every edge golf-wise. Um, obviously they’re guys we work with are physical and they’re looking at how can they gain distance and you know more mobility, not hurt, all that sort of stuff. But I think the cool thing to have you on is like to actually have the conversation of like how much does distance actually matter? And then you know we get we can get into all the details from there. But before we do that, just in case anyone hasn’t heard of you heard of Decade, like what is Decade Golf? Like how did you get into this? And and let’s let’s give people just a quick overview and then we’ll we’ll dive into the fun stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean kind of like you, I’ve always been a data guy, kind of a math nerd. I was in the, you know, the advanced programs through high school and everything. And then I went to college and and interestingly, like just because the way that I transferred, I’m not a guy that went to college to get multiple degrees, but because the way I transferred from school to school, I wound up with so many hours, I would have actively had to try to not get degrees while I was finishing up my playing in four years at Texas A&M. And played professionally, like you say, for five years. And you know, in hindsight, I actually do believe right around the time I was starting to figure it out. And by figured out, I mean like decade type stuff was when 911 happened. We had a bunch of money stolen on this Pro Tour Hawaii 2001 and I missed by one at Second Stage of Cusco and I was just like, man, I’m smoked. And you know, luckily for me, it was right when Texas was deregulating its electricity market in 2002. So I started an electricity company. I mean, why would you do that? You’ve been playing professional golf for six years and don’t know anything about electricity. Um, but the reason I bring that up is because once I started making a little bit of money, I started playing a lot of poker. Uh, so this is 2002 through, let’s call it 2005, uh, around underground games. And I and I actually met Chris Ko, you know, Tigers instructor Desau Xanders. Now, he and I met playing in an underground poker game in 2005. And it’s just funny looking back at it because then we started just doing all these different poker analysises. Uh, analysises, is that even a word? Is that right? Analysis. I don’t feel felt weird. Go with it. I’m I’m a math guy, not an English guy. So, I I started playing a obviously I started working on my game with him. It’s the first time I learned anything about modern ball flight laws. And the human body is just so amazing. Like once you tell it the right thing to do, like we’re not pointing the club face left of the target and swinging right, that’s how you’re going to have a snap hook. Once you tell it the right thing to do, the human body is really good at doing. So, I was kind of the first good player that Ko worked with. And in 2008, I was like, I’m playing better now as a 35-year-old amateur than I was as a 25-year-old playing professional. So, I entered Q school on a bet. Wound up getting through all four stages. No way. Got a cornfairy card. Obviously, that’s a little bit harder to do with a full-time job than just going to Q school. So, that was kind of a wasted three or four years. But in that period in 2010 was when they first released Strokes Gained Putting. And I was like, okay, my scoring average is 71. I need to get it to 69 and a half. where am I going to find those one and a half shots? So, it wasn’t strokes gain that I was doing, but I was like, I can get this much better here and this much better here, and I think it’ll relate to this. Like, am I kidding myself or is there room for me to do this? And then when they actually released strokes gain putting in 2010, I wrote a thread for an online poker forum called is dry for show putt for dough really true? And in it, you can see a whole bunch of really bad math and logic because we were trying to me and the other guys in the thread figure some stuff out. Uh, and and it’s just so interesting because then in 2013 when they released the full strokes gained catalog that Mark Brody and the PGA Tour created, I just was like, dude, if I have the size of shot patterns from Trackman with Komo and I know how many strokes it takes to haul out, like I don’t see why we can’t like do some serious work on strategy and course management here. And this is where it’s different. Like Mark Brody is an academic and I don’t say that in a porative way like most people typically do but he was hired to make something for statistics. Yeah. I as a player was like we can actually learn to score from this and obviously so much of decade is about expectation management and the data is what drives all of that. And so did a ton of work 2013, early 14. And then I had a cortisone shot in my right elbow when it was finally time to put all this in play, which wound up being the doctor paralyzed my right arm, which obviously came back to life. Yay me. But it was uh it was really frustrating because I’d literally done a ton of work. Well, Zotaurus was just a 17-year-old kid at my home course who, if you rewind the clock back, was nine when I had cornfairy status. And so he was the 9 to 12year-old bouncing around with me at the club. Yeah. um you know, annoying the out of me technically, but he’s a nice kid. So, I would play chipping and putting games and play with him and whatever. And so, I just called him. I was like, “Let me caddyy for you next week. I can’t play now.” Yeah. And he wound up winning the Texas Amter by four, which was his first win other than a high school golf tournament. Went and cattied for him when he won the US Jr. Um, and then the luckiest thing ever that Jason Enlo, the SMU coach at the time, told me he had this kid named Bryson Day Shambo who is just a world beater, but he can’t get him to stop firing at flags. Yeah. Can you come teach it to him? Which I did then in February of 2015. Mhm. And he wins the NCAA’s and US Amitter right after that. And you know, apparently next thing you know, I’m a strategy expert. I I just I literally laughed like my electricity company. I was planning on going back and playing golf six months later. And I was just like, well, this is really easy. I’m going to just make money. That’s awesome. And the same thing with this golf. Like I’ve literally if I hadn’t got that cortisone shot, I would have done nothing with this. Yeah. At all. I mean, it would have been like I created something for me in my game and that’s it. And so it’s just so interesting how life works out of just, you know, do something good, try to do uh as good of a job as you can and then sit back and see what the results come. And and it takes just a ton of luck to just be in the right place at the right time, which I was very fortunate to be. Talk about the greatest cortisone shot of all time. Geez. I mean, the extremely valuable uh paralyzation of my right arm. I wouldn’t say to go out and try to get your arm paralyzed, but one thing that was cool about it is my arm was just stuck like this for like 3 days. And then I was cooking some dinner and all of a sudden my arm over like 30 seconds just slowly released. And I it was the wildest thing. Like I was doing nothing. I’m just watching my arm as it just drops and I’m feeling nothing. Just out of body and all a sudden it’s like it’s only kind of back to life. I’m like, “Wow, that’s cool. That was really wild. That’s hilarious.” So, so what like I have to ask like with Bryson, let’s we’ll use that. Like what was because this obviously will lead into what decade is and and obviously you know how it’ll help everyone listening, but how did how did you go through that analysis with him? Did you just collect a bunch of data that he had already had? How did you approach? It’s all I mean again at that level we’ve we’ve you know modified it since for average players but what I was creating was I mean again I was a plus six at the time. I I had just quit playing professional golf like I’m pretty good. I really just wanted to win the US midam. So I was just treating the PGA Tour shot link data as though it was my own. Right. And so if I know again if I can just take a shot pattern and start moving it around at different targets on a green and I can start figuring out where to you know where’s the optimal place to center my shot pattern because if if there’s any one thing that drives me crazy that a hater of mine says to me is like isn’t this all common sense? I’m like well I mean kind of after I told it to you. Yeah. But nobody falls out of the womb knowing this. But more importantly, if a pin is four yards from the left edge of the green and we’re 150 and the green is 22 yards wide, it’s not just either at it or middle of the green here. There’s an inflection point somewhere between those two center of the green and at the pin that’s the optimal target. And quite often middle of the green is less optimal, suboptimal compared to firing just aiming at the flag. And so it’s not it’s just not a tidy answer. And the reason that is is because golf is the only sport in the world that’s not played on a uniform field of competition. It’s every hole is different. Whereas if I’m playing basketball last night and I told you I was at the top of the G key and the guard switched on me and you can kind of tell what happened. But if I tell you I was 147 in the middle of one fairway, should I fire at the flag? You’re like, well, I’m going to need a lot more information than that. And so it really I feel salesy when I say this, but like you really do just have to learn the process in order to pick these optimal targets. And you know, just to put a bow on that last idea, these these kids are just so good that they feel like they can hit any shot. And you know, they can, just not often enough to make it be the optimal play. It’s like hitting on on uh on 18 in blackjack. I I I’m pretty sure there’s a 23% chance you won’t bust and there’s still a 30% chance you won’t lose the hand. So you you hit on 18, there’s basically a one in4 chance you’re not going to bust. The table’s going to go crazy and then there’s still a 30% chance you’re going to lose the hand. Yeah. And it’s like that’s the point of of golf and strategy and course management is you have to make the optimal decision. Not just because you can hit a shot, that does not mean that it is these shots. So again, circling back to these kids are so good, they feel like they can do anything with any shot and they can, they just can’t do it often enough in order for it to be the correct play. So again, you just have to kind of accept golf because it’s the largest sport in the, you know, the largest outdoor sport played with the ball in the air the longest. If there’s any wind whatsoever, you simply can’t just feel like you’ve got perfect control of your shot pattern. I mean, on the PJ tour, a 200 yard par three is going to play with a shot pattern that’s over 40 yards wide and 40 yards deep pretty consistently. And it’s like once you see these and the 15 handicap who gets pissed off when they leave it 20 feet outside the hole. Yeah. I mean, it’s just it’s literally insane. I can’t remember that. I think the stat is from 150 a tour player has a better chance of hitting it outside 40T than inside 10 feet. Wow. I mean, from 150, that’s a wedge for these guys. There’s a better chance to hit it outside of 150 than hit it close enough that I consider it materially important. I’d rather you be 15 feet than 20 feet, but I really don’t care. Those five feet are a tenth of a shot, right? But the difference in 3T and 8T is half a shot. So, all five feet aren’t the same. And if there’s a better chance I’m going to hit it outside of 40T than inside 10 feet, and from out once you’re outside 10 feet, like it almost doesn’t matter. You’re probably going to two putt it. Yeah. Like it’s just it’s it’s so wild when you see these numbers. But that’s where when you circle back to what I’m sure we’ll talk about is the Tiger five mistakes. Yeah. But they all all the information leads to the fact it’s easier to intentionally not make bogey than it is to intentionally make a birdie. And so we are really playing this game solely focusing on avoiding bogeies. I mean, and and you just have to kind of trust that if it’s your week, you’re going to have a little bit of variance within your shot pattern that hits a few more shots close than any other week. You’re going to make a couple of extra putts from outside 15 ft. But more importantly, you’re not going to finish each round be like, “God, if I just hadn’t boged that par five or three putted from 20 ft for double, I would have shot X.” Those are the ones we can intentionally avoid, right? Um, and I say intentionally avoid, I also say that with a grain of salt. We can attempt to intentionally avoid it. we can have the intent of avoiding those. So now so now let’s let’s jump you you brought up the Tiger five that let’s jump to what those are where those come from and you know how early on in the process were were those did you kind of come up with those? So, it’s it’s really interesting. Honestly, it’s Steve Jobs has a saying, you can only connect the dots looking backwards. And it really is so interesting how I did all of this. I mean, again, I wrote over a half a billion cells of Excel code, like solving these problems. And so, I had these core ideas. Stop trying to make birdies. Stop trying to make putts. Winning requires luck. Um, but my my old roommate that I lived with for a couple years is a guy named Lance Bennett, who is actually Tiger’s Caddy now. Um and and Catty’s for Michael Torbbor if I said pronounced that correctly. Uh when Tiger’s not playing, he told me this has to be seven years ago now, maybe eight years ago. He’s like, you know, this really reminds me of of the things that Tiger I understand Tiger used to track and it’s how many bogeies on par fives, doubles, three putts. Tiger tracked bogey with nine iron or less, which just to quantify the data in shot length old clubs. is I figured Tiger probably hit a 9 iron about 150. Y So I turned that into bogey inside 150. And then Tiger tracked blown easy saves, which is subjective to his opinion. So I turned that into two chips. And Tiger was trying to have six or fewer of those per week to win on the PGA Tour. And so, excuse me, Lance told me that, but I didn’t want to get Lance in trouble. I didn’t know if that was like public information. Yeah. But like two years later, uh Kevin Chapel’s caddy told me the same thing. and I heard it from someone else. And so then finally like, okay, screw it. This is public knowledge. I’m just gonna blast this everywhere. And it’s it’s funny because you see like Smiley Kaufman talked about it. You know, this this player told me about this one time. It wasn’t wasn’t a player, Smiley. It was me at TBC San Antonio. Anytime you hear that referenced, it’s definitely me. I’m I’m not trying to claim take credit for anything, but like those are the things Tiger was actively just trying to avoid. And the key to it is it’s not no double bogeies on par double bogeies. It’s not too many. So if Tiger was trying to have six of those per tournament, that’s one and a half per round of what feels like relatively silly mistakes. So for me as a mental I used to if I bogei to par five, I would just check out for 30 minutes in a fit of rage, right? And now when I have one, I’m like, “Okay, well there’s one.” So you know, I just played Champions Tour qualifying last fall. I finished eighth at first stage and then missed getting status by three shots at final stage. And over the eight rounds I had like a 71 scoring average and I had 20 of those mistakes. So two and a half per round. I mean it’s not none. Yeah. Like it happens relatively often. And again that’s playing to plus fiveish golf. Yeah. If you’re a scratch even like five or six of those per round is not unusual. It’s funny. my um yesterday the guy that won the NCAA individual championship, Michael Lasasso uh for Old Miss is a decade member. He’s entered 111 rounds. Known Michael trained Michael since he was 13 or 12. What’s that? Oh, you have? Oh, yeah. You have known Michael since I sent Coach Malloy a text last night. I was like, “Congratulations. Not many coaches have had two NCAA champions in that sort of a time frame. Tell Michael I said congratulations and it’s time to stop skipping leg day.” I texted them. I literally texted my my college sales director. I was like, “Holy this dude is jacked.” I mean, it’s just amazing watching some of these kids walk around and it’s so funny when the old-timers want to be like, “We could compete.” It’s like, “You were doughy. You couldn’t you couldn’t even carry these dudes bag. That’s a different game.” People think when I make that statement I’m saying sure Jack, Johnny Miller, Krenshaw, I mean Watson, those guys would be great players now, but anyone outside of about the top 30 back then would not have stood a chance on the modern PGA Tour at all whatsoever. Um, anyh who, gosh dang it. Oh, circling back to him, that guy for 111 rounds he’s entered in the app, he’s averaging almost two Tiger Five mistakes per round, which is off the charts good. Yeah, but it’s like also that’s it’s just not none. And and so one of the main things I’m a little too blunt. It does me serves me well sometimes in life and doesn’t serve me well. But I just like telling the truth and not trying to use flowery language. Like you’re going to do a lot of dumb stuff every single day. And we cannot treat these problems like anomalies. It’s not surprising when you bogey a par five. Does it suck? Well, yeah, it sucks, but it’s also not surprising. And so if you want to act surprised and get pissed off every single time you do one of those Tiger five mistakes, you are going to continue turning your 70th percentile round into three shots higher. I mean, we’ve all got a bell curve of about 10 shots. So if I go play, I’m probably going to shoot between 65 and 75 right now. Yeah. I can take my 72s and make them 75s by getting mad. Or I can take my 72 and grind out a 71 or two, which by definition lowers my scoring average. So I do believe that if you think about a bell curve of scores, I do like to think that the worst 25 or 30% of your rounds once you understand decade, those just go away. So if instead of being a bell curve, it should just kind of go and then stop, right? And personally, that’s pretty much what I do. I mean, again, I’m not good enough to go deep. I don’t play enough golf or whatever. I shoot more 70s and 71s than you can possibly imagine, but I do sprinkle in a 63 to 66 every so often. Yeah. And again, it’s just about it’s about not making your average rounds worse than they need to be. Your good rounds really shouldn’t change too much. Uh they’ll change because you understand how to putt better because you understand speed control being more important that you’re hitting it further. Back to your original question of distance. I’ve said this a number of times, but I think that it’s comical that we needed as much data as we needed to prove that hitting the ball far is a good idea. like of any of the data that I think is funny because I even I hit the ball past everyone. I’m 6’2, 225. I mean, I’m a big guy that hit the ball far out of just being strong. And even when the longer drivers and everything came out in the late 90s, early 2000s, I was just like, I already hit it past everyone. I don’t need to hit it longer. It’s like, well, another 20 yards is probably not going to hurt even better. And it’s just funny how we just never saw that at all. Yeah. What? So what is the actual distance? Because it’s So I have this um argument with all I’m scratched so not your level but my buddies are all like fives to sevens. So whenever we go play I always have to give them strokes and depending the T’s we play you know but the distance is seems to be so highly valued in course ratings and that obviously impacts strokes I got to give give out. How is that? I mean, have you looked at like how how much it’s valued in the handicap system relative to what it No clue how handicaps even work? I I couldn’t care less. I just know I everyone I play at my home course in our in our hammer game gets a shot on every hole but the par three. Well, like so so I guess the would be like so like uh I’ll just use my course. It’s a stroke and a half harder from the tips, but it’s only I don’t know 300 yards longer, maybe 400 yards. probably brings hazards more in play. Like most courses are designed in certain ways to where the the most correlated things to score are greens and regulation and how far do you hit it. Like it’s pretty it’s pretty linear with you hit it further, you shoot lower. Yeah. It’s again, it’s just funny because Lou has done a number of decent studies with the data that he gets and we we all think, man, well, if I try to hit it further, I’m going to hit it more crooked. And it’s like actually you kind of get out of your own way. Yeah. Quite often the harder you’re trying to hit it. A number of people, I’m not going to say this is just a blanket statement of truth, but a number of people definitely hit it straighter, the harder they’re trying to hit it. And I I’m not saying some ridiculous John Dailyaly, you’re just swinging it. But the hardest you can possibly swing that you feel like is reasonable is probably the way you should be swinging it. For sure. And how much do you see distance? Like if you add 10, someone adds 10 yards, like how much does that help them or 20 yards? 20 yards is is two shots around. Is it really? So is it basically every 10 yards? It changes based on handicap and and stuff. You know, it’s it’s hard again, it’s just it’s just hard to make blanket statements in golf that you would actually stand behind, but it’s pretty clear that 20 yards is at least two shots. And so if you know I mean again 20 I do believe that everybody everybody who has not actually speed trained or thought about hitting it further. Everyone has 20 yards they could easily gain 100%. I mean easily and you know I’m not even talking about like training that hard. Just like consciously going out there and trying to hit the ball harder just everyone’s got that. And now if you are trying to speed train and you have done a little bit of work, I do believe the majority of players, the average player can pick up 40 yards without too much difficulty. I mean, again, going back to Lou, I think that guy picked up about 40 yards. Mhm. Over a two-year period. Um, which again is just an astronomical amount of distance. I couldn’t pick that up, but I easily could pick up 20 um you know, if I’d stopped having surgeries. That definitely helps. Yeah. So, I’d love to go back to Michael. I didn’t realize you were working with him. So, with Michael, so if we look at I don’t want to say I’m not working with he just that he’s using the system. Yeah. That he’s using the decade app. Like when you look at the top NCAA guys versus guys like what are what are some of the stats that stick out to you that you’re seeing and have they changed over the last decade as the game has quote unquote evolved as we’re told in the media? Yeah. I mean, it’s funny because I always one thing I’m trying to do better is not just jumping into an answer. Technically, I don’t know. I don’t I don’t look at it that closely anymore. It’s like once someone solved 2 plus 2 equals 4, I don’t need to keep looking at it anymore. 100%. And so, I just it’s just not something I need to constantly look at to reinforce what’s going on. I just know obviously everyone’s hitting it harder and further, right? And so, that’s the number one thing that I would say. I would say that everybody on tour is understanding and focusing more on the fact that speed is the most important component of putting. And I’ll have people all the time be like, “What if you hit it 90 degrees offline?” I’m like, “Well, I assume you’re trying.” Like, assume you’re not having a seizure. I assume you’re you’re freaking trying to not be an But if you if you go out if the listener goes out tonight and just take and put a ball mark and go 20 ft away and roll a putt and you know it’s easier to do with a buddy and then just kind of move it off to the side. I want you to create how wide your shot pattern is and how deep your shot pattern is with a putter from 20 ft. And I guarantee you it will be three to six times deeper than it is wide. Meaning it’ll be 4 feet deep and probably 9 or 12 in wide if that. if we just find the straightest putt we can. And so once you think about a putt with any break on it whatsoever, if you hit it too soft, it starts breaking sooner. If you hit it too hard, it starts breaking later. So even given the identical read and start line, your shot pattern becomes really wide because of your speed control. And so the worse your speed control is, and again, you just you’ll see it all the time. I saw one of them yesterday um at the NCAA’s from a a guy that was playing for a decade team and he just rolled this putt up there from like five feet and it just barely kind of petered out and caught the bottom lip and the announcer’s like, “Ah, you just got to hit that harder.” I’m like, “You still have to have the right line.” He made the hole as big as physically possible. He probably just didn’t quite put enough read on it. I mean, again, he may I’m not saying that I would say hit it six inches by from five feet is optimal, but it’s not much more than 12 inches by. I mean, we want to hit it with a little bit more speed so it holds it line, but once you get outside 15 ft, you have to be leaving so many putts short. I mean, this is just the con that I just got in this argument for like two weeks straight on Instagram. If we use my microphone as the hole and from that 20 ft, we’ve got a 4 foot putt, excuse me, a 4 foot distance control distribution, it’s going to be normally distributed for the most part. And we’ve now centered the inner 50% of our shot pattern 18 to, you know, 24 30 in past the hole. We’ve made the hole really small for the majority of our putts. And we will have four-footers coming back. So, we will three putt. If I take that shot pattern and shift it to where it’s one foot short to three feet long, identical shot pattern, I’ve now made the the the inner 50% of my shot pattern, the hole as big as possible for I’ve traded this 4-footer out for a one-footer. Like it it’s hard for people to wrap their head around, but leaving Brad Faxton left 16% of his putts from 16 to 20 feet short. That’s one and six. It it’s it’s an incredible amount of putts. Brad Faxton, the best putter arguably that’s ever played golf from 16 to 20 feet, left one in six putt short. But he also, it’s it’s again, this is what’s hard to to to appreciate is leaving 20 25% of your putt short from that distance for most amateurs will actually make you make more putts. You’ll make more of those 16 to 20 footers by leaving 20ish% short just because of the distribution. You’ve made the hole so big for that inner 50%. Yeah. And people just can’t wrap their head around. So, not only we gonna three putt less, we’re going to make more putts. And that’s definitely one thing you see on the PGA Tour now is these guys are just creeping the ball up to the hole from let’s call it 15 to 30 feet. You know, putts that feel kind of makeable, but also I mean the 15 foot make rate on tours is 22%. 22%. 22%. I need my goggles. My goggles. My glasses. Um you just you’re not going to make many and that’s okay. We want to get really good at two putting from 20 to 40 feet. If you can do that, the game is really easy. Well, especially as you said the shot distribution was was it a higher from 150 yards higher likelihood to be 40t then outside 40T than inside 10 feet? Yeah. So, is that where you see a lot of on the green is if you can get really good with that 20 to 40 foot range. 20 to 40 footer just to where you’re just automatic for two putts. It’s just such an advantage. I mean, it’s it’s so huge. And this is again, if your line is terrible, okay, we’re going to need to work on our stroke obviously, but that takes years to improve, right? You will be stunned when you go out to the putting green and just run. We’ve got two different three different speed drills in the Decade app that, you know, again, I literally took a picture of Maverick McNeely at the PGA uh last week just using the drill, right? I mean, it’s the the main foundation speed drill is one that I created and then Maverick when I was working with him through college and his first few years on tour, he modified it to be, you know, better from 5 to 15 ft. And that guy led strokes game putting two years ago. I mean, it’s just here are the drills, the best putters. I mean, Max Graaserman finished second in strokes game putting last year and he just wears out these these drills that are focused on speed control. And again, what’s funny is when someone has a bad putting round, they go to the putting green and they work on their stroke 100% of the time. Nobody goes and does speed drills. Yeah. Like, no one goes and does speed drills. They set up these crazy practice stations and just grind on trying to make their their start line .001% better. Like, good luck. It’s always speed. So, what So, what was the argument outcome? show putt for show drive or drive for show putt for do uh that is false. I mean the driver the driver is the most important club in the bag by a mile. Um and what’s hard is strokes gain approach seems like it’s more but there’s only 14 T- shots around and there’s typically 20 or more approach shots around. You’re going to get two on a couple of the par fives, you know, then you’ve got the other par fours and threes. So when a statistic is cumulative in nature, it feels um it feels more important, but the driver and there’s also a bit of a survivorship bias on the PGA Tour. Whereas man, if you don’t drive it well, you lost your card. Yeah. Like everyone on tour drives it so good. I shouldn’t say everyone. Out of 200 players on tour, 150 would blow your mind. Even the guys that are minus.3, you would watch them and be like, “This dude is below average.” I mean, it would it would blow most people’s mind how good these guys are off the tea. A lot of that circles back to the other argument that I’ve I’ve just died on the hill of is shaping the driver one direction. Pretty much everyone on tour now understands the importance of just owning your stock shot and literally never deviating from it. You will find very few good drivers of the golf ball on tour that actually try to work the ball ways unless it’s an extraordinarily specific situation where you know if they fade it which most players that hit it hard are going to tend to fade it. There’s going to be a very specific situation where they may try to ride the wind with a draw. But this is also what’s hard is sure every once in a while you might catch it high toe bomb draw that goes further but on average you’re going to also double cross a few just flares up into the wind. I don’t even believe in that situation on average we’re going to hit it further. So the only spot I would ever try that is like you know what winds off the right I fade my driver. If I just hit my stock drive I it’s a par five. not going to be able to get there for whatever reason, carrying a hazard or whatever. That’s a spot where if there’s no trouble, right, I might try to draw it simply because, well, I’m probably laying up once I double cross fan this up into the wind. But if I do happen to catch it on the high toe and get an extra 20 yards, not because it’s really going any further, just because of the dynamics of interacting with the wind, wind up better. I might try that, but it’s just my overall average drive I do believe would be less even in that scenario where I occasionally do unload on one. And what about the moving the golf ball with approach shots? Is it the same? Does the same apply or no? I I do think that even on tour guys tend to do that too much. Mhm. But you can do that because you can move ball position. So, if I’m a guy that fades my irons, I can move my ball position back a couple of inches with my seven iron, and that’s going to artificially shift my path to the right without me even feeling like I’m changing my swing just because of hitting down on it more. Yeah. So, that’s a scenario where again, personally, I I don’t ever I mean, this is also what’s funny is people are like, to be great, you’ve got to work the ball ways. I’m like, I played to a plus five last year over 20 tournament rounds. I don’t know what we’re I’m not going to argue that I’m great at golf, but I’m pretty damn good at golf. Yeah. Am I on the PJ tour? No. But if there’s anyone that if there’s anyone that’s just an amateur at your club that would look at me like, well, he’s not great at golf. Like, how great are we talking about here? Like, sure, I’m not on tour. I’m also 52. Um, I just I don’t think it’s necessary. I really don’t think it’s necessary. And then will from a approach stand. So, the other this is another statistical thing I’ve always heard is like lay up to a number versus go for it. Um, again, data is very clear on that. Gosh, I got some water on me. Water’s I look like I got shot. I’ve been watching the Sopranos. Like I got shot here. Um, no. I mean, again, maybe to a front hole location if the greens are firm, you could consider laying it back a little bit, but I would still argue now our distance control is getting worse the further we lay it back. So, I should even with the front hole location and firm greens, I should probably be trying to land it a little bit past pin high anyways. like my ultimate target really shouldn’t change like where I want the ball to finish shouldn’t change that much but the further I lay it back by definition the wind has more time to impact my ball golf ball’s flight and so I’m just allowing more variables to come in now if you’re someone who has a true 70ard yip or whatever like I I did a video a month ago with Rick Shields I didn’t realize he actually does have a straightup 70ard does chip you up. And you know, I’m like, “Okay, well, you just proved to me you knifed three straight over this green.” Luckily, the first one was caught by the bunker. Otherwise, he was four under through uh seven as we were playing. And I thought the first one was out of bounds. It was kind of a hidden shot. And then he just knifed the next two that were for sure out of bounds. I’m like, “You’re about to make an 11 on this hole after cruising in a 400.” Okay, Rick, maybe I would have laid you a little bit further back, but honestly, all I would have done there is I would have shifted his target a little bit further right. It was kind of in this little back left peninsula. Yeah, this isn’t your shot, dude. This is not good for you. Let’s just go 20 ft right at this pin, which would have opened up how much more distance control room for margin he had. It’s like we’re just surrendering here. It’s like uh uh surrendering in blackjack. Like, I just don’t like the situation. I you happen to throw out an ace when I happen to press my bet up beyond my comfort zone. Can I just have half my money back, please? Um, it’s not a good idea. Like, by mathematical definition, but you can take a little bit of pain off the board. That’s what we should have done on that 70 yard shot with Rick. For sure. It’s a great Honestly, for the listeners, I’m not I got nothing to sell on this. It’s a free video on YouTube. If you go to Rick Shields, SLS, he’s the biggest YouTuber there is. um in search it it’s about 3 weeks ago, two weeks ago. It’s titled um I shot my best score ever with a se little secret help, something like that. Yeah, it’s it’s by far the best YouTube video I’ve ever been a part of. Um I think it would really be something good for the listeners. That’s awesome. So I mean you’ve obviously been able to you obviously in the data you get to you’re working with top top players. You yourself are a good player. as you think back to like when you started the journey to where you’re at now, what, you know, obviously the drive, you know, drive for show puff for dough was a myth, you know, what are some of the other kind of bigger ones that have surprised you or even some that you’re still argue that you find yourself still having to argue about? One of the big ones is this idea of trying to favor a side of the fairway to gain an angle into the flag. That one’s one that again kind of like distance. It’s interesting. We needed data to prove this point, but we’ve got a a 70 yard wide shot pattern. Let’s now let’s just pretend this micro this microphone is 40 yards wide and it’s the fairway. Well, if my shot pattern is 70 yards wide, if I try to favor a side, I’m just going to be moving the outer edge of my shot pattern into trouble. Most likely at some point there’s something in the way. But if I just aim at the middle of the fairway, the right side of my shot pattern is going to have that angle. the left side of my shot pattern isn’t going to have a great angle, but it’s it’s always better to be in the fairway than in the rough. I don’t even care if you’ve got the better angle. And what’s again interesting is running the data on it. PGA Tour players when they have the air quotes angle to the flag, their scoring average actually goes up compared to when they’re on the other side of the fairway. And the only thing that I can logically make sense out of that is they think, okay, this is a green light situation. Yeah. And they play more aggressive than the shot should allow just because they’re telling themselves, I’m in a in a, you know, grade A position here. And it’s like, yeah, but you’re still 160. I mean, like, what are we talking about? It’s just the scoring average 165 on the PGA tour and the fairways where they average three shots to hole out. I don’t care if you’re 140 with the angle. Par’s technically still a great score, but that all requires starting to think about these things in fractions of shots instead of whole shots. One thing that I I do think is interesting with golf is we’re all trained to think a birdie gains you one shot and a bogey loses you one shot. And obviously doubles and eagles are just more than that. But if the scoring average on a hole in a tournament you’re playing is 4.3 and you make a five, you didn’t lose a shot, you lost.7 shots. If you make a par, you technically gain.3 shots. The definition of the winning score is the lowest average. Yeah. I mean, that’s literally the definition of the winning score. It’s the lowest average. I don’t care if it’s one round or 20 rounds. The lowest average score wins the tournament. And so, technically, we can break that up. We arbitrarily break a 72-hole tournament up into 18 holes. There’s no reason you couldn’t break that up into 72 onehole tournaments. And if I beat the average score on this one hole, even if the winning score is 20 under, if I make a par, I have advanced myself closer to that winning score. Again, it’s hard to wrap your head around, but on the PGA Tour, the the winner every week is 12 to 14 shots clear of the field average. I don’t care if the I mean the the field when when when um Cameron Smith won the tournament of champions however many years ago, he was 14 shots clear of the field average and he was 34 underpar. When uh when Zack Johnson won the Masters and all the announcers like to talk about he was uh he didn’t go for a single par five. Well, when DJ won the Masters, he was 20 under. You’re not going to get to 20 under when you don’t go for a par five. The year Zack Johnson won not going for a par five. The winning score was one over. Yeah, Zack Johnson’s not winning a shootout at Augusta. He won it because it was miserable conditions and cold and everything else. But you know what? He was 14 shots clear of the field average. Wow. So that’s 35 shots difference in score, but they were both relative to the competition in the exact same spot. So, just circling back to this idea, if I make a four on a hole with a 4.3 average, I don’t care what the winning score is. I’ve taken three of that 14 I need to accumulate. There you go. Put in your back pocket. Moved on. So, what is Scotty doing? I mean, I’m sure you’ve gotten this question a number of times. What is Scotty doing week to week so well? What do you mean Scotty shot from Yeah. from a like a statistical st I mean he literally does everything better but anything that you’re seeing like differently maybe than like Tiger did or other players when they’ve had dominant runs or is he just doing it more consistently? So again, this is where I I do get myself in a lot of trouble like air quotes taking credit for everybody’s great play. This one really is that way because I I I mean I know Scotty, but I’ve never actually worked with him even though he’s a Dallas guy. But Ted Scott I did work with for five years while he was with Bubba. Yeah. And when Scotty hired him, I was like, Ted, I’ve looked at a lot of Scotty’s images in Tracker 2 with where he hits shots. And I just think he does a lot of dumb stuff out there. Yeah. If you can tighten him in and get him thinking without saying decade. If you can tighten him up and get him playing golf the way you know it’s to be played, he’s a lot better than his results. Now, I did not think he would win the first week and then just continue doing what he’s done. But it’s just that train of I do think that look when I catti for Salatatorus when he won the Texas AM and US Jr. I was just laughing. I’m like this isn’t fair. Like I actually legitimately felt bad at the US Jr. Davis Riley lost in the finals the previous year to Sheffller and then Will beat him in the finals again and I’m like I can’t imagine being a junior golfer and losing in the finals of the US Junior backto-back years. And I I literally felt kind of Davis is a super nice guy. Yeah, I kind of felt bad cuz I’m like, this isn’t a fair fight. Um, Will is at least as good at you as at golf and I’m just playing him like a, you know, a 45year-old adult who’s researched this scoring side of the game more than anyone on the planet at that point. And I do think that Tiger just had to be laughing like because we we could listen to what some of the other kids and caddies were talking about doing and I’m just like that is a terrible idea. And I do believe that Tiger had to have the same feeling out on the PGA tour of, “Wow, what are you talking about? This is that is an absurd thing to think you can pull off right here in this situation.” And so again, a guy like Scotty where I think the be like if he just finished 37th that first week, if if he just happens to not get off to the start he does with Ted, it could literally change everything. But going out with Ted that first week, Ted’s saying, “Here’s what we’re going to do. just trust me on this. Just listen to what I got to say and let’s see what happens and him win. And then Scotty just saying I’m all in. And again, I’m I’m making up that’s what happened here, but like I know that’s what happened on at least half of the equation. Exactly. Yeah. And so like to like luckily he won that first week at the Texas Amitter. And I mean, God bless the kid. There were so many times when he would look at me like that’s a stupid target. I can play more aggressive than that. And I’m like, dude, just trust me on this. And even myself, I was like, am I doing this right? Because that feels really really conservative. But that’s what the math says. And so, let’s just go with it. And it is, it’s just, it’s just crazy looking back at it how he just fully bought in day one. And then once you have success immediately, like, well, now you just know that’s how it works. Yeah. Exactly. And you just run the script over and it’s like counting cards. I mean, it really is. It’s all poker math and expectation. circling back to KO and I running so many math simulations. Yeah. In poker, that’s all decade is is poker mindset and math. So, what before we jump, I I do want to jump into the the acronym and and just for everyone just as as we wrap at the end, but for the Scotty, you said you had been looking at his shot patterns saying like, “Hey, man, he’s just making dumb decisions.” What were some of the, you know, what were kind of the trends or the things that you were seeing before Ted got with him and then now that you see if you looked at that lot of bogeies from inside 150 really just just trying to play way too aggressive with your wedges, trying to force birdies, you know, oh man, I got Bo Hustler is another guy that I’ve worked with for a few years when he first turned pro. And I I was out with Kramer Hickok um at the Byron Nelson walking with Speath and Bo and Kramer. And you know, I’m not gonna talk to Jordan or Bo. They’re not my players. I’m just talking with Kramer. But Bo is a really smart, introspective guy. And he asked Kramer afterwards like, “Who is that and what’s he talking about?” He kind of explained it to him. We wound up getting together. Um, and and with bow specifically, like you just don’t realize in college the pins are five or six yards from the edge of the green, and you’re used to firing at them with from 120, which is kind of correct, but now they’re three or four yards from the edge of the green, and it doesn’t seem like that big of a difference, and you’re so programmed to firing at flags. You don’t realize it’s just a time or two around, you kind of get shortsided a little bit more than you should have. And again, this is where it’s not even about just optimizing greens and regulation. It’s even the greens that you miss. Instead of being seven yards off the green to a pin that’s four yards on the green, you’re only four yards off the green to a pin that’s four yards green. That and that three yards is huge in your up and down save rate. So again, you’re just making the same amount of birdies. It’s just from different shots within your shot pattern, but the up and downs become easier. Just everything about it. So, you know, to circling back from to Scotty, you just used to get into some weird spots where it’s like you’re better than that. You’re better than hitting that shot from 160 and winding up in that completely dead spot and now you’re trying some stupid flop shot because you you don’t want to make bogey and you leave it short and then you don’t get it up and down. You walk off with double. I mean, I’m just that’s everyone that’s listening does that probably every time they play. And it’s like even at the tour level, let’s stop doing that. I mean, again, it’s just I think I said it earlier, it’s it’s easier to intentionally not make bogey than it is to intentionally make birdie. You just have to trust the birdies are going to be there and and they just they will magically just be there. And that’s people say all the time like, “Well, how am I going to make a birdie if I’m not trying to?” Just trust me on this one. If there were no pins in the green, you would still make birdies. Like you would accidentally hit it close to some. You would accidentally get it up and around a green on a par five and two. Like hit a par five and into not just even up and around it. Like you you are going to accidentally birdies are pretty much happy accidents. Avoiding bogey is something you can do with intention. So speaking on the intention, I want to get in just to the acronym. You’ve mentioned expectations a couple times. you know, what does decade stand for and and kind of walk through just the general system for everybody and what how it’s Yeah, I mean the acronym is just D distance, E expectations, C correct target, A analyze, D discipline, and E execute. And that’s just really the the six-step process of choosing your target. We start off with, you know, how long is the shot? That’s going to be telling us for starters basically how big our shot pattern is. I do think that the expectation step is extraordinarily important. I didn’t let Zeal I probably carried a 100 rounds for Will while he was a an amateur and I told him on every single shot what his PGA tour expectation was because it just lightens the load when you’re 100 yards in the fair. I’m like hey dude it’s 2.8 from here. Like really? Yeah. Like I don’t need you to make that many birdies. I just need you to not give them away with bogeies. Yeah. Then C correct target is when we start actually doing the decade math of how far are we going to be aiming from the edge of the green analyzes what is the adjacent hazard what is the wind I mean there’s just these process I mean again I’m a big Tony Robbins nerd and everything is a six or sevenstep acronym I got extraordinarily lucky that the first word I tried decade actually worked I’ I’ve talked with a number of people that done acronyms before and they’re like that was your first try I’m like it took like five minutes and the URL is available. You have no clue how lucky you are. And I’m like, you know, I always thought I was, but I’d never actually thought about picking any other word in the dictionary and attempting. And the reason I chose decade was Will sent me a text that said, you know, after the Texas Amiter, I’ll never be able to thank you. You gave me 25 years of experience in five days. That’s literally why I chose the word decade, just implying we’re going to take decades off your learning curve. Yeah. Um, and then D discipline is the discipline to actually aim at that target and try to hit it there. I actually think looking back at my professional career, I probably picked decent targets, but then as strange as this sounds, I didn’t actually try to hit it there. Yeah. So, the pin would be four yards from the right. I’m 180. You know what? I got to aim this thing like 10 yards out to the left. So, I would and then I would hope I push it. And so it’s like you’re putting this wishy-washy non-committed swing on it. Yeah. And it’s funny because the the tour players that I’ve worked with, 100% of them say, “Oh, I do that every day. I do that like six times a day.” And so what’s funny about it is by definition, the reason we’re aiming away from the the flag is because it’s some semblance of a difficult shot. So we’re aiming away from the flag on a hard shot and then we’re not committing to our actual target. That’s where more outliers come from. Like it’s just circling back to I’m surprised we needed distance, you know, data to tell us about distance. The tour players and I laugh every single time. They’re like, you know, I’ve just always known that’s dumb, but I’ve never taken the time to think it all the way through. Yeah. Never taken the time because it’s pretty easy to come to Yeah. It’s pretty easy to come to answer like probably not a good idea to not try to hit it where I’m aiming. Yeah. Probably gonna generate some results I don’t really want. You got You’ve just got to trust it. You know, again, I talk about block practicing all the time, which is just hitting the same shot over and over and over on the range at the same target. And one of the important features of that is is you’re going to start learning, you know what, I missed my target 70% right. I need to adjust my aim. People always say like because we think of our body lines, some people think of body lines as aim, some people think of start lines, some people think of shape, some people think of where I’m actually trying to hit it. Golf is difficult because if I told you that I was aiming at a dart board six inches right of the bullseye, I don’t know darts is probably a terrible analogy for me to come up with, but like if I was trying to throw a bullseye and be like, why are you aiming six yards right? Well, I need to I usually or six inches. I usually throw it six inches left of where I’m trying. It’s like, well, then you need to work on your aim. Yeah. It’s not it’s just not how you do it. And so you got to learn how to center your shot pattern over your target on the range. And then when you get out on the course and you’ve got that decade target that says 10 yards left of the flag, I don’t need to hope I will push it. By definition, I will push it half the time. Mhm. And so you just you don’t need to you don’t need to do that. It’s it’s going to happen. And again, circling back to just dd discipline. And then e execute is going through your pre-shot routine. And I talk about meditation a lot. The reason I think meditation is important is because we’re looking for these wandering stray thoughts that aren’t very productive. Um, you know, you’ve never once sat on a range and thought, I I I you know, don’t don’t miss this left. But then you get up on 18T at Sawrass. You’re like, well, don’t go left. Well, a meditation practice is going to help you recognize that thought and you know, hey, that’s I I got it. That’s why I’m aiming 35 yards right of the water. Yeah. you know, centering my shot pattern 35 yards right out of the water because I don’t want to go left. Now there’s no reason to think don’t go left anymore. Now we’re just hitting our, you know, putting our swing on it. Committed swing. Right. Exactly. Well, Scott, I thank you so much for all your time today. This has been I honestly would keep you on here for another four hours, but I know you’re busy. Uh what’s the uh the best way for people to get involved with I know you have you have a couple different programs kind of an entry level and then kind of the go all the way, right? Yeah, they’re really the same product. It’s just for foundations. I slow down how quickly I give you the content. I do think that if you’re the kind of person that is intrigued at all like a golf stats and strategy app like you’re going to love it if that sounds remotely interesting to you, you’re going to love it. If you’re like on the fence like I don’t know about that, it may or may not be for you. But if it remotely sounds interesting and then the reason foundations I slow down the content is because the people who actually buy are what self-prescribed data nerds and they’re just going to binge watch all of the content and not really ingest it at all. So I slow it down to where you get about a sixth of the content every 3 weeks instead of with found with the the elite version you just get it all on day one. So, yes, Foundations is designed for the slightly worse, you know, less experienced player, but that’s only because I want them to take the content in slower. It’s the same content. It just takes you six months to get it. There’s other things like a more robust stats portal that you work into. Um, you get free yardage books within the app, but you know, you get more with the elite version. That really is just a function of cost for sure. Uh, you know, again, I just I really hate saying it because it’s my product, but it really really helps you figure out how to stop wasting shots on the course. 100%. You know, we’ve seen many of our clients use it and do very, very well with it. Um, Michael would be one of them. He’s hoisting a trophy now. Um, well, I mean, my can joke on it is if if you feel like you should have shot lower every single time you play, you’re either not as good as you think you are or you made mental and strategic mistakes. Like, it literally can be nothing else. You can’t just keep getting unlucky year after year. And most of it’s probably a little bit of both for you. And I think on the physical side, we always say like, you know, don’t guess. Like assess and figure out what it is you actually need to do when you go to the gym and like actually have a plan. It’s no different on this side of things. To your point, if you’re like going home like I should have played better, I shouldn’t have. Well, like why did you make the bogey? Like assess that, figure out why, and then do something about it. Well, I just remember having this feeling in my 20s when I was playing professionally of, you know, I would do something stupid and then I would get mad for 30 minutes and I’d be like, “Ah, if I could just go back 30 minutes, I would do that differently.” And I thought that every single day. And this is a Sam Harris, back to meditation. Sam Harris has an app called Waking Up. That’s the one I suggest everybody do. Uh I I just think it’s the best by an absolute mile because of how he trains you to bring it out into your day. Um, but he just he’s got a way that he says he’s like, “No, you wouldn’t. You would make the same mistake o a billion times in a row unless you learn a new skill to stop doing it.” And it’s like when you think of it that way, like, yeah, I’m not I’m not going to just magically stop doing dumb stuff. You have to learn a new skill. And that’s what decade at this point. It’s just a a living diary of all the dumb stuff I’ve done in my career and witnessed in my career. And it’s like you can go try to figure this out on your own or here it is right here for you. Yeah. Just accelerate the time. I mean that’s I always think of learning is I talk with our my team all the time. I said learning is your ability that given the same environment you choose a different behavior. Yeah. That that definition that you learned something. And and importantly again in my 20s we used to laugh about just all the dumb stuff we did. And I I think looking back at it, I don’t know this to be true, but I think looking back at it with hindsight, I felt like I just needed to get physically and mechanically better to stop making that bogey from 120, right? It never dawned on me like, you know what, dude, I get it. It’s a gap wedge here, but maybe you should aim about three or four yards right of this flag. Just give yourself a little bit of tolerance for mistake. I know I’m I’m a professional golfer, though. I got to be swashbuckling and stuffing it like No, it’s better to avoid the dumb stuff. Yeah. And and again, you just it’s it’s a leap of faith just like leaving putts short and trusting you’re actually going to make some. It’s a leap of faith to trust that the birdies are actually going to be there. But some of I mean, some of the teams that are still in the match play right now are are decade teams. And one of the things that one of them does is they do qualifying where they don’t count birdies and better. And what’s wild about it is they only count the overpar holes and the scoring averages always drop on those days because you’re still going to if you hit it to 15 ft. We still got to see if you two putt it. They still make some of them some of them on par fives. It’s it’s actually best if you can get it up and around the green. Just because I’m trying to not make bogey, you know, doesn’t mean I should just lay it up to a hundred. I should still get it up and around the green. You’re still going to make birdies. scoring average literally drops for the players while trying to while scoring just thinking I I don’t want to I’m only counting over par holes. That’s pretty cool. It’s pretty wild, man. There’s just a number of things that are very intuitive and obvious like I say, “Oh, this is common sense.” It is once I told it to you. Yeah, once it does. There are a number of things also that it’s like, “Wow, that’s wild.” There was a there was a college golfer um on the PJ tour. Now, when he was in college, they did qualifying, you know, without pins. They teed off the groups 30 minutes apart, so you couldn’t see the group in front of you where they were on the green or anything. And the guy hit a hole in one with a 4iron. No way. And he said he just they they hit the ball and landed on the green. He just went back and put the club in the bag and all of a sudden the ball just disappeared and he’s just like looked at every like, does that count? Like, yeah, technically it definitely counts. Yeah, it definitely counts, man. But it’s pretty sketchy. It’s kind of a gray area for sure. Hole in one with the foreign. No flag. Little asterric. Little asterric. But hey, uh Scott, so uh where’s the best place for people to follow you to connect with you personally? And then also obviously decade decade_golf on Instagram. Luckily, I finally grew a brain and punted Twitter. And uh Decade.golf uh is is where you can go find and buy the product. It’s where I’ve got the most options to upgrade or extend your account depending on anything. And uh it’s better than going through the app store for sure. So decade.golf will get you uh where you want to go and I put a bunch of stuff out there on Instagram and I keep on I’m finicky with YouTube. I keep on thinking I’m going to make more content. I’m just like I don’t really care to. It’s awesome. Well, we’ll make sure uh everyone listening. We’ll put all that in the show notes for you so it’s easy easy to find. Uh but definitely go check out Decade. It is uh 100% uh worth it and going to help your golf game. So uh Scott, thank you for hanging out with me here today. really appreciate your time being so generous with that. And everyone else listening, thanks so much and we’ll uh catch you on the next episode.