Comparing Julian/Hussein to ACTUAL elite natural lifters

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0:00 Intro/what this video is
4:17 Hussein Farhat
15:15 Julian Fitzgerald
23:40 Vitruvian Physique
26:35 Russell Orhii
29:41 Uzoma Obilor
34:19 Brian DeCosta
39:10 Dirk Emmerich
43:28 Khifie West
52:09 AJ Morris
55:56 Adam Powe

All right, what’s up everybody? So, today I’m doing a follow-up video to my video. It’ll either be yesterday or maybe two days ago by the time I post this video, but I got met with a decent amount of criticism based on my views on my overall reaction to those guys on that Jeff Nippard video. So, there were a lot of people in the comments that had immediately assumed a lot of those guys or some of those guys were fake naturals. And I can totally understand and get behind that perspective. From my own perspective, I was going into the video not knowing who these people were. So, if I went into it with the potential uh that these guys were actually natural, then I’m going to be honest in my opinion. And if I was to see these guys and not know anything about them, which I didn’t going into the video, I had heard of this guy Hussein, but I knew nothing about him. And then there’s this other guy, Julian. Had never heard of him. Just seeing him for the first time here. if I didn’t know anything about them but assumed that they had the right place and right time as far as their training goes. They’re in the right environment, trained by the right people and grew up in uh in a specific mindset and environment that was conducive to building a lot of muscle and they had great genetics physically uh for bodybuilding and they trained very well. I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of either of those guys being natural and I still wouldn’t. I think for Julian it’s unlikely and for Hussein, we’ll have to see. But what I want to do today, as you can see, I have a few names up here on my Instagram search bar. I actually want to go look at how these guys train since I think the way you train, especially at that level, is very indicative of if you’re actually natural or not. A lot of people try and look at like physical effects of your physique and proportions, how your skin looks, if you have gyno, etc. I think all that’s very useful, but when those pieces of evidence aren’t present and there’s not necessarily a direct indicator that someone isn’t natural just based on those and it’s really just the only indicator you have is that oh, they’re really big so they must be on steroids. I think it’s worth looking at their training to see if are you training in a way that would actually build that much muscle. And I think one big overarching topic that needs to be discussed here is when your genetics are as good as somebody like Julian, whether he’s natural or not, I think we have to admit he’s a genetic freak. I think he has more room for error with his training. And I’m not saying you can get to that level with imperfect training. I think you do have to be quite precise if you are natural, but I think somebody like that could basically become bigger than 90% of other natural serious lifters with average style of training. So, I’m going to go into each person, look at what they post on Instagram. First off, how is their content? How’s their character? How’s their personality? What are they posting? How does their training look? How do they compare in regular lighting, maybe in the gym without much of a pump at the start of a workout to these crazy editing, lighting, pump angles, etc. Potentially a little bit of Photoshop there, especially in Hussein’s case. I wouldn’t be shocked, but I’m not going to accuse him of that because I have no hard evidence of it. But clearly, he’s good with the camera trickery. So, I want to see, just digging a little bit deeper, what do I actually think about these guys? So, I have a couple examples from that video. More specifically, it’s going to be Hussein and then Julian. Uh, two guys I was unaware of, although I had heard of Hussein and that’s about it. I am mostly off social media, so despite me being somewhat of a prominent fitness YouTuber, I really genuinely do live under a rock for the most part. So, a lot of this really is new to me. I also have a handful of guys beneath this, as you’ll see. They’re all guys that either the fitness industry believes is natural and an example of a good natural limit or guys that I perceive to be natural and I’m confident enough in their natural status that I’m not afraid to risk my reputation and promote them as natural lifters in this video. I won’t be able to discuss who I think can be the biggest possible natural out there because that’s a whole other debate and who knows who that person is. So, I’d have to do a little bit more searching, dig a little bit deeper to find exactly a good example of who that might be. So today we’re just going to be talking about natural lifters. At least in my opinion, aside from maybe the first two guys, since I still have to dig a little bit deeper into them. So with all that being said, let’s get into the first person, which just based on the order I searched up, it is going to be Hussein. So Hussein Farhot, an online fitness coach. He has 2.7 million followers, which is absurd. Um he’s 23 and his bio says he’s a natural. So I think that kind of closes our case. Uh, if we’re to dig a little bit deeper into his Instagram, here’s a picture. Looks like it was post show. Lucky number seven. Looks like he placed seventh. I’m not reading all that. Uh, let’s look through the pictures. So, yeah, I mean, it’s kind of distorted there, but overall, that doesn’t look too out of the ordinary for a natural. I’d say he’s arm dominant, but that looks along the lines of a pretty good natural competitive bodybuilder. And yeah, he he looks natural in this one. He does have freaky biceps. There’s no denying that. But you can kind of tell when you’re looking at somebody that’s natural, they they shrink when they’re cutting quite a bit. And in this picture, I I think this is a pretty good representation of what it would look like when you are a pretty big natural guy. Not like natural limit or even super advanced or anything, but a pretty big guy that does cut down for a show. You can kind of see like your physique almost just sinks in in a lot of spaces, especially I find up in the traps, the upper pecs, kind of even the upper delt area, it looks like very hollow and thin and kind of frail. And that’s not a slight against this guy. This is just it’s a very common theme with natural lifters. I’m the exact same way. if I was to get to this level of body fat regardless of how big my traps get. So, this looks natural to me as of now. And we got some cookies. Okay. Uh, on the other hand, you look at this picture and you’re like, there’s no, he looks like Chris Bumstead or something. This ju just genuinely doesn’t look natural. I know it looks all it looks all kind of like nonchalant, effortless, just a little mirror selfie, but the amount of playing around with settings and having the right camera, getting the right angle, having the right pump in the right area at the right time at the right place, this is there’s so much more that goes behind this than most people will see. Not that one. Um, okay. I don’t know what this is. Yeah, I mean that’s it’s it’s he has impressive arms, but other than that he’s just like a a good maybe very good natural physique. Um the Okay, so the question now is is he actually natural or did he just speedun to a very good natural physique without actually good training? So let’s look through how he actually lifts to see if there’s any type of hint in one direction or the other. Okay, that’s not it. That’s not it either. Okay, so the first red flag to me and obviously especially like I don’t know what it’s like to have 3 million followers on Instagram, but like there’s there’s not much about training here. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing if he is a bodybuilder, so ultimately he probably cares more about his physique than his training. But usually when you have to the way you have to train to get to to that level, you develop kind of a passion for training that you would think he’d show off a little bit more. But then again, that stuff probably doesn’t get any traction on social media. So I wouldn’t be shocked if just from like a business or uh reputation perspective, he just decided not to post that full day of eating. Yeah. Okay. So another red flag for me is an an overfixation on diet. A lot of fake natties tend to think diet is kind of what’s giving them their results when in reality it’s like your training is by far the most important thing. Your diet just have it just really has to like supplement and kind of follow in whatever training you’re doing. So if you’re trying to build muscle just bulk like right it’s not that not that complex. Like if you need to be in a surplus get in a surplus. Kind of as simple as that. Uh let’s see. Yeah, there’s not a whole ton of training here which is a red flag to me. Yeah, he that that’s not that’s not out of uh it’s out of the ordinary, I’d say, but for an if we’re if we’re assuming this guy is like some somewhat of an advanced natural lifter, like that’s not out of the question for me at all. The red flag to me is the lack of training. And your triceps doubled in size. Yeah. I mean that like I think we can all see through that. Like you’re not just going to start doing your push downs differently in your triceps are going to double in size. Like even if you look at my training where it’s like obviously I I think I I don’t think he’s I think he’s kind of half kidding when he says that but uh even if you look like my road to 18 in arms series like I had a drastic overhaul in my training and my physique and now it’s just going from like 16 16 1/2 ines to 18 and accounting a bulk into that too. If I got back to the same level of body fat that I had started at uh I only got up to 17 and a half and that’s like a drastic overhaul. So, if we’re talking like slightly changing your arm position on a push down or like just doing an incline on an incline push down instead of a regular one, like yeah, I’m a huge fan of that lift. I’m not going to disagree with that, but like that’s not going to double the size of your triceps and your shoulders doubled in size. Like I I like the lift, but yeah. Um, the double your size stuff is kind of a little little overstated. I just want to see how this guy trains. And the fact that there’s not much training here is a red flag to me. A lot of the stuff, like a lot of the stuff with the cars and the more lifestyle stuff, those are all kind of red flags because it it ultimately comes back to kind of like this narcissistic view of oneself. And uh I I think when your when your motive and your incentive is to become famous for yourself, I think the it seems more so that bodybuilding, while it might be something he’s very interested in, is more so just a it’s a vehicle to bring him fame. And when you don’t necessarily care that much about bodybuilding itself and you don’t have respect for learning as much as you can about it, how are you going to get to that level? So, who knows? This kid could train really hard and be really good at lifting, but uh so far I’m not seeing anything that would indicate that he’s a legit natural lifter. So, as of now, I’m actually leaning towards not natural. But then you look at this video and I’m like, that just looks like a like a mid to late intermediate lifter with good arms. Yeah, he’s he’s definitely good with the camera trickery. Like this is almost on a level I’ve never seen before. Like I grew up in the whole David Le era where he had like really good pictures, but they they weren’t that crazy. And even he did a ton of editing, but this is next level editing in my opinion as far as like lighting and stuff goes. Like this is next level. Let’s see. Is this what people think is hard? No. Like I I’m sorry, but training training is harder than diet. I mean, everybody everybody can have their own opinion on that. Like I guess like the end stage of getting super lean is obviously very hard just because it’s 247, but that’s a completely different type of like difficult than training. Yeah. So, Larry Wheels didn’t believe that I’m Natty. Only training for three years. No way. Started when I was 19. My first workout. So the so the thing about that is the vast majority of the time when you’re only training for 3 years, most people will mess up at least some aspect of their training at that point. But for him, it’s just if you get things right with your training, you can do a lot in a pretty short period of time. Um, it’s one of those things where it’s like when you get in the right groove with training, you can make a massive difference in a short period of time. So, I a lot of people will point out like, oh, if somebody’s young or if somebody has not been training that long or they made a lot of changes in a short period of time. I don’t know if people realize how much upping your intensity or like finding the right way to train actually does make a difference. And once you get that ball rolling, it’s almost like you make some noob gains all over again. So if you’re kind of making those noob gains and you’re getting your training right all from the start and you’re just surrounded by the right people and you figured out what works for you, like you can go pretty far pretty quick when you genuinely train very hard and you are genetically gifted. So yeah, I mean just the stuff he posts makes me so skeptical, but he’s also he’s this is one of those things where when you see him in real life, he’s just not going to look as big as uh as he does on his Instagram, but he’s definitely pretty jacked. H didn’t really say a whole ton there. Yeah, the I mean like what are what are you going to tell from these pictures? I mean, I would uh I would lean I would definitely lean towards not natural just just based on the style of post that he makes, but uh I I wouldn’t rule it out. I I can’t it’s so hard to say like an overall percentage, but I would say there’s probably a 75% chance he’s not natural, but there there is a genuine chance he is natural as much as people will want to hear that. So, up next, we’re going to go to Julian Fitzgerald, who is the big boy from uh the Jeff Notepard video. So, to me, the the first things that stick out with Julian, so I think a couple things are going to be important with this kid. So, he is very young, and a lot of people hold that against him. I’m hesitant to do that at first. I always like to do a little bit more research first because when you’re a genetic freak, do you think it’s going to take years and years and years to get some semblance of what your potential actually is? or do you think these guys are going to be hyper respponders? Like I’m more so leaning towards the latter and I think he could be a case of one of those people. So before I judge anything before I look through his Instagram, I I did just want to clarify that uh with somebody like this kid Julian, I would also say that when you get to these genetic freaks, how how do you know who’s a genetic freak and who’s just your run-of-the-mill fake natty? Because if we all kind of agree that these genetic freaks freaks are probably out there, are we just going to all assume that they are all fake natties, but like the one or two that are actually legit, we’re just going to overlook entirely or are we just going to be like keep a very close eye on these people and maybe try and like come to a more logical conclusion? And I’m not trying to say he’s natural. I’m not trying to say he’s not. Uh but I am going to take a look through his Instagram and and see what I think. The first couple things that I wanted to mention on this kid is his arms are insane. And uh Jeffrey Very Scoffield had an Instagram story talking about this I believe and he was talking about how like natural or not like his his arms more specifically his biceps are Oh why am I low battery? What I was on here I’ve not been on here for like 15 minutes. I don’t know. I might have to grab my charger. But uh when it comes to somebody like this, like if you don’t have elite bicep genetics, steroids aren’t going to do that for you. It it genuinely is genetics at this point. I would also say when it comes to this kid’s physique, people are talking about like a roid gut or an HDH gut. In that video, I didn’t quite see it. He obviously doesn’t have like a normally shaped gut, but I wouldn’t say it’s anything too too crazy. Uh it is one thing to take into account for sure. Uh, I would also say that when you look at some of those tailtale signs of somebody being natural, like kind of being a little bit shallower and a little bit flatter up by like the upper pecs and the delts and the uh trap area, he that area actually looks quite natural on him. So, as of now, I’m going to go go into it with an open mind, but we’ll see how things look. Uh, I did look at his Larry I I didn’t look through the whole thing. It was like an hour long, but the Larry Wheels and this kid could uh collabed on a video. Basically, his training, his training wasn’t all that great in my opinion. Uh but then again, it’s like if you really are a genetic freak, what do you really need to do to to get all that jacked? Of course, that’s um you can make the the argument with that for both sides. So, uh I am not going to use that argument just to argue in good faith. And uh I I would say with him, one thing I I do want to kind of um respond to is a lot of people are saying that he’s like mogging Larry Wheels and like he’s bigger than Larry Wheels and whatnot. And I I disagree with that. I actually looked at that video with both of them together. And if he ever did look bigger than Larry Wheels, it was simply because he was out angling him, like he was just like physically closer to the camera. And I would also say when you look at them side by side when they did that kind of pose off, Larry was bigger in every muscle group except for maybe the arms. And Larry Wheels is notorious for having very small forearms and arms too relative to the rest of his physique. And Larry Wheels isn’t nearly as big as he used to be. So those are a couple things just to take into account. I’m not saying this guy’s natural. I’m just saying we can’t act like he’s comparing him to like the Larry Wheels of eight years ago. is two completely different stories here. So, let’s go right into this kid’s gram. Okay, so if I was just to pause it right there where you can’t really see his bicep, like his traps, delts, and upper pecs and neck, that just that looks natural to me. I I’m not saying that proves that he’s natural. I’m just saying from an observation standpoint when we’re trying to figure out if someone’s natural or not, that genuinely does look natural to me. It it just simply does. Now, we have to look through the rest of his physique. All right. So, here’s one with Larry wheels. So, you can see with Larry, even at even when he’s downsized, his traps look like pills popping out of his shoulders. Uh you can see his skin is all grainy. People like Jeff Nipper tried to say that that genetics was entirely vascular. It can definitely be exacerbated by steroid use. You can just tell by the way his skin looks, the the weird fullness he has, like that kind of persistent pump he has. No natural is looking like that. And you can even tell the difference between the way he looks and the way that Julian looks. So his arms look insane. Like if you just look at his arms, it looks like steroids. If you look at his delt straps and pecs, very impressive, but I’m not positive that he is on steroids. So I can’t make that argument. I I don’t think it’s likely that he’s natural, but I do think it’s a possibility. Yeah. So, he’s standing closer to the camera, but you can tell the difference in the way their physiques look. Like, if you look at it muscle group by muscle group, like his arms make it so at first glance, he kind of hangs with them. But look at the traps. Larry absolutely mogs him. Look at the delts. Larry mogs him. Look at the pecs. Larry again mogs him. Uh, even the arms are actually kind of close. I mean, this kid Julian has better much much better arm genetics. Uh, so that’s part of it, but I don’t know. Um, it’s I I don’t think he’s mogging Larry Wheels at all. I think he’s clearly smaller. Um, and even Larry Wheels is still downsized. So, that’s just one one point that I think is important to make. But, yeah, his arms are genuinely insane. But see how look at the lats, too. His lats aren’t nearly as big as Larry’s. Like, it’s night and day. Look at the even like the delts and upper pecs. Like Larry’s mogging him here. If we’re just talking like from bodybuilding, it’s really just the arms. Yeah. To me, to me that looks like an enhanced delt versus a natural delt. Uh checking the battery. What are we at? 6%. Oh, this is brutal. Um yeah, Larry’s delts are enhanced. You can just tell by the way they look. I know it’s not a legit argument, but just from an experienced eye, at least I can kind of tell that he’s enhanced, and obviously he is. Um, Julian’s don’t look quite enhanced to me. They don’t have that they don’t have that fullness and that pop that someone on steroids would. And he probably still has a pump in this video, too. Nice wave to the camera. Yeah, his his his lats like his erectors and lower lats are nuts. Um his like upper lats and traps and delts are not that insane. I I wouldn’t say they’re beyond the natural possibility at all. So yeah, I mean obviously there is Instagram’s pretty limited so it’s hard to come to a conclusion here, but yeah, I’d say I’d probably still stick with what I said last time. It’s probably it’s yeah maybe like a 10 maybe 20% chance he he is actually natural. But it’s just tough because it’s like you you have to know the person in real life and you have to train with them to to really know. But yeah, that’s uh that’s what I’m going to leave it at with Julian XF1T Ness. All right, got my charger set up with the laptop, so we should be good to resume. So, that’s pretty much it for these guys. Uh, the next person I want to go into briefly was Vuvian Physique. And the reason that I’m picking him is because he’s probably the most common person that I see referenced for like the biggest you can get naturally. And uh I do disagree with that, but I think he is I I could see how from like your average lifter that has a little bit of experience would basically put Vuvian physique in kind of that level of physique as the biggest they can comfortably believe is natural. Uh I definitely don’t believe that to be true. Um but I definitely do believe he’s natural. Uh so let’s take a look through his Instagram here. So, I don’t know if he posts all that much anymore, but let’s see how he looks. So, yeah, pretty muscular. That’s about what you look like as like uh mostly like later intermediate natural lifter that is bulking. Yeah, it’s pretty solid. It obviously doesn’t look like a whole ton right after looking at the other two guys that are leaner, better lighting, pumps, all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, to me, this is somebody that is probably just average as far as genetics go, maybe slightly above, but this isn’t anything that insane. This is just somebody that’s been working out hard for a very long time. And I don’t think this is out of the realm of possibility for a lot of people. I don’t think a lot of people will get to this level because ultimately like it does take a lot of consistency and a lot of consistent motivation over a very long period of time for most people to get to this level. But uh yeah, for people that are very gifted getting here and surpassing this, it’s not going to be that hard. And especially if you get to the gym, you have excellent results that quickly. That’s just kind of a cycle that continues to repeat itself. And you you get more motivation from that. And then that gets you bigger and you get even more motivation. It’s just kind of it almost turns into like maybe somewhat of a survivorship bias if that’s the right term to put in there. But yeah, that’s um that’s kind of my thoughts here. So, let’s see. 225 for max reps. 17 reps. Yeah, that’s um that looks about right for to look at his physique. Good technique, too, for for a rep out. My best was 20, but it wasn’t with as clean of technique. I was definitely going quicker. I was kind of Larry wheelsing it, actually. Maybe not quite that extreme, but it was probably somewhere between that and what you’re seeing here. Yeah. So, he knows how to grind. Obviously, he didn’t get that rep, but he knows how to grind. So, this is a good example of this is something that I think most people should shoot for as far as the physique goes. And I I think a lot of people can get past this, too. But I it’s definitely not easy to get past this if you are just your average person. So, where did he go? He went to the top. Interesting. Um, okay. So, up next is going to be Russ SW Russell Orhee. Uh, I haven’t followed this guy in forever, but I have uh seen some of some of his posts every now and then. And he is somebody that when I first started lifting, I was like, maybe he’s natural because he’s saying he’s natural. And then people started talking about how fake netties are a thing. You start learning more about PEDs. Started to believe he wasn’t actually natural. And then the more time went on, the more he competed in natural federations and the more he uh in powerlifting for those who don’t know this guy. And uh the more he kind of just saw like the same diminishing returns that returns that most natural lifters see, the more I actually did believe he was natural. And he hasn’t had any crazy jumps or drops drop offs in his physique from what I can tell. Things seem to be pretty consistent. So let’s uh let’s take a look through this guy. So, all right. This is this is overwhelming to look at almost. I don’t know. There’s so many like words on the screen. Um, bench 463 with me. Let’s see. Yeah, he’s athletic. Yeah, he’s just like he looks like a bulked up big jagged powerlifter to me. And I I used to watch all his training videos, too. Like, he’s he’s legit. I think 331 he’s high energy. Very high energy. Think when I was powerlifting I was just fried all the time. So I don’t know how he does it. 441 moved quick. That is the thing about heavy benching though is it’s like you just kind of hit a wall at a certain point. Like you’ll from an outsider looking in like people be like, “Oh, that moved kind of quick. He probably has 500.” But it’s like who knows, maybe he can bench 500. I’m I’m not trying to knock the guy. But it’s like you get to a point where it’s like you can either do it or you can’t. And at a certain point it’s just too heavy. Like you’re not going to be grinding out a 10-second concentric with like a 500 lb. It’s just not how it works. But yeah, I mean this guy, I do think he’s an example of somebody that has great genetic genetics and could definitely be natural. I mean, he’s looked the exact same for years, not fluctuating up or down at all in my opinion, just very very very slowly getting stronger. So, I think I think this is another example of somebody that has borderline elite genetics uh potentially elite uh when it comes to just bodybuilding. like he’s just I think he’s Yeah, he’s a freak. And I think he’s a little bit shorter, too, which does help make you look a little bit thicker and fuller. Tall guys just can’t quite get that look. If I remember correctly, I think he’s like 5’6 or something. Yeah. Pumped up in the gym. Like that’s that’s not out out of the realm of possibility at all in my opinion, especially with uh with how with how good his training actually is. So yeah, I’m leave it at that for him. I do think he’s natural. Next person I have up is going to be Uzum Oval. And actually, this is a an example of somebody that used he was like kind of clowned as the fake of the fitness industry for a very very long time. And as time kept going on, we kind of realized that he might actually be natural because he he hasn’t progressed all that much, but he hasn’t gone up or down all that much either. Like, he’s been very consistent. So, he’s somebody that strikes me as a similar situation to that Julian kid where they just kind of like instantly blow up super super quick, but then they their training doesn’t change in any drastic way and their physique kind of just stays mostly steady. Like they’re not getting any weird side effects. They’re not like getting injured and cycling off and stuff. So, I don’t know. To me, this is uh somebody that’s very similar to Julian in that way where if Julian was actually natural, I what I’m looking for in Julian is six years from now. If it’s more or less the same with like very marginal improvements to like certain weak points, I that would make me believe more so that he is natural. So, I’m curious to see if he goes decided to hop on gear and chase the Olympia. like anybody that is just that easily persuaded to going on to PEDs wasn’t committed up until that point, not just lying about it. Uh but if he goes the route of somebody like Anuzuma Obel where he just blew up really quick because his training was good enough and he had excellent genetics and he kind of more or less maintained that didn’t really live up to like the hype that other people had surrounding him. I think that’s a pretty good sign of someone being natural. So people like us or people like Russell Orhei, I think these are very good examples of people that just kind of struck the lottery whether when it comes to genetics, their training, their environment, and their motivation levels. And then over time you you start to see that yeah, like they they might actually be natural. And uh I I do think both Russell and Muma are natural. I can’t say it with a 100% certainty, but it’s over 50%. Like if if I had to pick to save my life, I would pick both of them to be natural. And yeah, one pe One one thing people clown on him for is him bulking. They’d be like, “Oh, well, he gets he like puffs up like a cloud.” I think that was like a Philly fit video. He’s like, “Oh, he puffs up like a cloud in the offseasons. That’s a sign of steroids.” Like, no, that’s actually a sign of being natural. Like literally every every competitive natural bodybuilder does that exact same thing. So, to me, that’s actually kind of a good thing. Yeah, that’s about how we’d look if he was to cut down and have good lighting and a and a pump going on curling. That would probably be I don’t know how heavy that easy bar is, but it’s probably Oh, it looks like a beefier ones. That might be like 30 or 35 lbs. So, he’s curling like 100 pounds or so. I mean, yeah, I I think this is uh this is an example of a natural physique that is unattainable for most people, but just because it’s unattainable for most people doesn’t mean it’s unattainable for everybody. Yeah, he looks natural. AR arm dominant. That’s uh that’s one of the other funky ones that throws people off all the time. Good technique. It’s all delts. Not really showing the ends of the set, so you’re not going to be able to gather a whole ton of information from this. But yeah, I mean, I I do think this guy’s natural. Here’s a good outdoor picture. Yeah, just a great natural physique. I mean, literally, if you were to not look at his arms, he is arm dominant. And I know this is kind of we’re getting into blaha territory here, but like that’s if you’re to like cut off his arm like that and not look at the other one, that’s not it’s very impressive, but it’s not out of uh it’s not outside of what competitive natural bodybuilders are looking like. So yeah, I I do think this guy’s natural. He’s very consistent. He’s been posting and doing this stuff forever. So uh I I do genuinely believe him to be natural. So next person we got is Brian Dcasta. He is a champion natural bodybuilder. D W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W WNBF bodybuilding world champion. So this is He is the real deal. This is legit. This is no joke. He’s beating all the competitive guys that are competing naturally. So this is if you want if you want to safely assume that this is the biggest natural uh that we are aware of, then this is probably the guy to go after. You’re not the guy to go, I don’t know why I said that. This is probably the guy to uh to look at. So freaky arms and legs. Absolutely freaky. And usually for pe for people with limbs that dominant, their torsos are lagging quite a bit, but it’s really not the case with this guy. That’s super impressive. Um I think he’s natural. It’s super impressive. He’s competing in the WNBF, which is just very high level natural bodybuilding. A lot of people say they’re on gear, but I really don’t think they are. I just think it’s top tier. Uh I think that’s Durk Emer on his right there, who’s also crazy shredded. He’s not nearly as heavy. He’s a little little bit smaller, but very good conditioning and uh pretty jacked. I actually have him on the list, too. I can’t remember the name of the guy on his left there, but obviously up there with his size, but not quite on his level, but all very, very jacked. So, that’s a good example of like top tier natural. That’s it right there. And I wouldn’t even say this is like the biggest you can possibly get. Like I I think there still are bigger guys out there. Like there just there has to be. So, let’s look at the way he trains. So, yeah, big boy weight on there. Some Romanians, good technique, good control, good range of motion. I’m just saying I feel like I’m just saying a bunch of buzzwords. It’s being so vague with it. Um, yeah, those it’s moving quick. Is that it might be a deadlift bar? It’s kind of wy or it’s just that strong. People might say it doesn’t look like a super hard set, but a set with that much weight will look much different than a set with like 225 or something. Some hip thrusts. Probably worry about those another time. Let’s see how his upper body training is since that’s where uh that is where the money’s at. is always talking to this one. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I can definitely see how he’s natural. That’s very very high effort lifting like that. When you can when you can do deadlifts and squats like that, you can do anything in the gym. That’s pretty much the hardest it gets as far as bodybuilding type movements. Yeah. Rowing at least three plates, if not like four there. Yeah. Yeah. It takes some mass to be able to do that with mostly strict, not mostly strict, but mostly good technique. I’d say he’s getting some decent retraction and elevation there. Some deadlifts. Oh, yeah. I mean, it’s just high effort. He’s moving big boy weights. Like, that’s that’s legit. Oh yeah. Oh, he’s cruising on the pull downs. I love it. Slightly different technique than I’d use, but you have to kind of pick and choose your battles once you’re lifting that heavy. So, I I do like the momentum, the kind of scapular upward rotation at the bottom. I’m not a huge fan of, but you at a certain point, you just can’t be that nitpicky. It’s solid stuff. Yeah, there we go. So, this is a little bit stricter. still kind of a ton of range of motion, but I mean, he’s getting a really good obviously contraction. Yeah, it it’s good training overall. It’s like a little bit different than what you see most people do, especially competitive bodybuilders, but ultimately it’s it’s similar enough to where this isn’t uh this is more just like his own variation of training, which obviously he’s going to need at this point. Like you can’t just do cookie cutter stuff uh once you’re once you’re beyond what the cookie cutter stuff will take you to. Yeah, those are legit dips, too. I I I think we’ve seen enough of this guy. I mean, just an excellent physique. So, yeah, that level is achievable naturally. And all right, next up we’ve got Durk Emer. I’m not exactly sure how to say it, but this guy is he’s a little bit smaller than the rest as far as overall muscle mass goes, but he’s super super lean and he lifts in a very interesting way. And when I say small, I’m like it’s going to sound so nitpicky. I’m just saying he’s not quite on the level of somebody like Brian Dosta or something, but he’s still obviously very jacked. Uh he’s got a great physique. So, super lean, very balanced physique, and I really like the way that he lifts. I’m not sure it’s for everybody, but it’s just very, very interesting how strict he likes to train. So, as you can see, it’s like very controlled eccentrics and very controlled concentrics, too, which I 100% think of their time and place. and he’s actually one of the very few people that I see with big traps still doing very strict shrugging and rowing motions. Uh obviously like presses and everything, everybody does strict because you have to because of the opposing force. But when he does his rows, it’s kind of the same way. It’s very strict, very controlled even with that very short biased resistance profile. Uh and he’s good at it, too. Like he’s clearly built up strength in the short position on rows pull downs as well. Yeah, he’s locked in. This is the technique that would drive most like powerlters absolutely nuts. They can’t stand this stuff. But a lot of uh a lot of the time you do have to kind of bring it back to this strict basic technique if you find that your cheats getting a little bit out of control. And you’re going to have to lift light, too. Like he does not use much weight on a lot of this stuff, but you can tell it’s super high effort. It’s super direct. So, it takes a lot of skill to be able to lift like this and actually get a lot out of it. Uh, but he he does a good job in my opinion. Yeah. Here’s a good row clip of him. So, that’s how he rows. It’s super interesting. He’s really just focusing on driving the scaps almost like not just into retraction, but a little bit of elevation, too. And I I can’t exactly tell what his other cues are, but it looks like he’s just really focusing on driving his shoulders and kind of his rear delts up up a ton. So, it’s really interesting to see. But his traps are super impressive. Delt are super impressive. Um, his back and his pecs are good, too. His arms are solid. They’re not a strong point on him, but they’re still good. He just has a good physique. He’s just a good competitive bodybuilder in my opinion. So, yeah, someone like this is training 100% checks out. And it’s like whether he trains a little bit differently than most, like that’s fine. But the effort it takes to train this way, it’s not like the most tiring or fatiguing way to train at all. But the effort and the focus that’s required to be able to train that strict and with that good of technique, it takes so much time and practice to get it down that somebody that isn’t super passionate about about bodybuilding isn’t going to be training this way. So yeah, it’s a very very unique style of training, but uh he he definitely is natural in my opinion. So I think that uh that pretty much does it for him. Let’s go into a couple more guys that I think are great examples. So, few guys at the bottom. These are other very highlevel competitive natural bodybuilders that I think are excellent examples and they post a ton of their training and these are in my opinion the best references because they all train in a very similar way. They all have somewhat similarish level physiques. Uh but there is definitely a disparity between the three and I think at that point a lot of it is genetic. So, there’s a few different guys here. So, there’s going to be three at the bottom. Kyifi West, Kefi West, I have no idea how to say his name. I don’t think it’s his real name, but I don’t some type of alias or something. Then we’ve got AJ Morris beneath him, who is an example of somebody that has, in my opinion, average genetics, but nearly perfect training. Then we’ve got Adam Pow, who’s an example of somebody that has uh good to great genetics, I would say, as far as bodybuilding goes, but not elite, but somebody that is above average. I think he’s an excellent example of what you can achieve when your training is dialed in perfectly. The three things you’re going to notice with these guys is they train brutally hard. Like harder than pretty much anybody else on this list aside from maybe Russell Orhee, but he kind of trains hard in different ways since he’s more of a powerlifter. So, we’ll start off with Kyifi Kei West, however you say his name. Yeah, Chris McCreaty is his real name. Uh, he’s got a he’s got a decent little following. But another thing is with these guys, they’re not influencers. They’re bodybuilders first, influencers after that. And I wouldn’t even say they’re influencers. They’re more just bodybuilders that post their training, do some coaching, and they’re just obsessed with lifting. And it is by far the biggest priority. You can tell with some of these other guys, social media is the priority, and fitness is just the vehicle to get there. So, when you look at somebody like this guy, he trains like an absolute animal. And I’m talking like like I don’t know if you guys have seen Jordan Peters train, but it’s clear he draws a lot of inspiration from him. And it’s just like it’s it’s so cool to see natural guys training that hard. It’s just it’s something that most people just aren’t exposed to. and to be able to watch these guys train. Like for anybody watching this that isn’t super familiar with competitive natural bodybuilding or you’re relatively new to the fitness industry or you only know like if you’re somebody that when you’re asked who the biggest naturals are, you would name like Jeff Nippard or like other like YouTubers or influencers even like myself for example, there’s just there’s a whole other world you haven’t been exposed to of big jacked natural lifters that just don’t have that much of a following. So, this is an example of somebody that is he’s a content creator, sure, but he’s a bodybuilder first and he if he’s not getting many views for his training, like they they don’t care. They’re posting their training and their training is going to be what gets them results, not what makes them look cool on Instagram. So, let’s go into some of his training clips. So, squatting like five plates or something. Let’s check how he moves here. Fully controlled eentric pause at the bottom. continuous set. Like that’s impressive. Starting to get some of the shakes. He’s cruising though. Like that’s a legit set. And when you’re judging stuff like proximity to failure, it’s it’s very different when when you’re looking at things like a barbell squat where you are going to hit technical failure kind of all of a sudden versus grinding out like certain machine or something. When you see the effort these guys put forth and the amount of weight they train with and the control and the range of motion they have, it’s it’s um it’s next level and it it really is. And I I I think it gets overlooked. Like it’s it’s super impressive. I I just don’t know. I don’t think people understand how hard these sets are. And I’ll I’ll keep scrolling through his profile because I did I did want to spend a lot of time on these last couple guys here. So, those those were good sets. I’ve seen him train harder, but uh still very impressive. And there there’s he’s so focused like every set he’s just like getting mentally prepared, taking his time. He’s not just kind of like going through the motions. So, yeah. 525 on there. See how it goes. It’s good. Yeah, that it’s a legit effort. Like I I just it’s hard to explain until you’ve lifted that much weight how humbling and how he how heavy that actually is. And like for reference, I never squatted more than 455. So this is a solid what 80 lbs heavier than the most I ever lifted for one rep. He’s repping it out. So I it’s it’s not easy. Yeah. pretty pretty jacked, but he still still has that kind of softer natural look when he’s bulked up in my opinion. A lot of guys that are juiced up just they they have this crazy fullness outside of the gym that naturals just won’t have. So, I want to get some I want to see how he trains like Yeah. So, here’s some rose. Looks like he’s doing some penlays with I think that’s 405 maybe 315. I think it’s 405 though. Like it it’s hard to explain how heavy that is until you get that strong. Yeah, it’s a it’s a legit set. So, this is an example of like legit trading doing Yeah. over six plates on the Cybex hack squat. The most I ever got on this was it was like just it was like four plates and a 35 and a five or something for like five reps. And then yeah, this looks so maximal, too. Like it’s I’ I’ve said it a bunch of times, but it’s very hard to explain how difficult that actually is. And I think I think if most this is why I’m a huge fan of people filming their training. If they were to film their training, they would realize that what feels like training this hard isn’t actually training that hard. Your perception is way different than reality. 260 x10 pause deadlifts. And that’s that’s kilos obviously, not pounds. So that would be about maybe 525 or something. Maybe. Actually, it might be more than that. 260 kilos. Yeah, that might even be actually is that Yeah, that’s that’s just straight up six plates. That’s 585. For reference, the most I ever deadlifted was 500 for 10. and I I felt like death. So yeah, I think you kind of get the gist of it. But yeah, this is just it’s just good solid training. And like th this like when I’m looking at guys like Hussein or Julian to see if they’re natural or not. Like I’m looking for them to train like this. And I’m not saying everybody has to train this hard or this crazy, but like when Hussein’s doing like the little tricep push downs. I’m like just thinking about this training in the back of my head, I’m like, “Yeah, it’s just it just doesn’t add up.” So it’s like you can never rule it out entirely if he’s natural, but I don’t know. I I just think like this this is what you’re looking for. I I just think that the training aspect is so overlooked. People get so hyperfocused on the physique. And I Let’s just look at this one. Seven plates for seven reps. Let’s take a look at one final set here just to kind of really focus on the intensity. Like e even that right there at one R is harder than 99% of people have ever done on any set of hack squats in their entire training career. So you get the point of it. Um look at his physique a little more. It’s just it’s super impressive. I mean obviously there’s a chance he isn’t natural. So I don’t want to say for certain that he is natural, but he competes in natural federations for bodybuilding. And um I think he has a uh a a a physique that is possible naturally, but basically nobody’s going to get to to this level. Just I don’t think I don’t think anybody I don’t think enough people have what it takes to just get to that place mentally where you allow yourself to train that way. I I really just don’t like I I would have a hard time training that hard and I’m obsessed with training. So next one is going to be AJ Morris. This is somebody that is actually becoming very prominent in not just the natural but the overall bodybuilding sphere as well. Uh everybody is he he’s probably the most respected natural body not I can’t speak natural bodybuilder out there that I can think of and he is legit and he is somebody that I believe has just natural not natural somebody that I believe has average genetics uh and just trains absolutely insanely hard. So really, really good example of what’s possible if you really focus on your training and just dial it in for an extended period of time. This is the definition of somebody that just grinded it out and makes small gains year after year after year and just stays consistent with everything. And this is how most people’s training journey is going to go. You’re going to have your guys with good genetics that blow up really quick with subpar training and then kind of continue to grow or maybe they stall out and they just don’t really know what to do. This is the definition of somebody that just makes good progress as a natural lifter and it’s just slow and steady and that’s how it’s going to be for most people that are just kind of average in terms of uh genetics for bodybuilding. So, let’s look at some of his shots. He just recently competed and uh yeah, he looks great. I would say he would look a little bit bigger if he didn’t get so lean, but you do have to get that lean if you want to win shows, which is obviously his main goal. He is absolutely shredded. And uh I don’t know if people realize how small you’re going to look when you uh when you get that shredded. So, I’m not saying he looks small, but he does look a little bit underwhelming on stage compared to some of the other guys in my opinion. I don’t mean that against him. I just mean like he’s so absurdly lean and if he was to be like when he bulks back crazy to say this but when he bulks like back up to like 10 or 12% he’s going to look absolutely massive. Uh he doesn’t show his physique a whole ton. He really just shows the stage shots. I think he kind of likes to keep it a secret until he gets on stage. But yeah, he’s somebody that he when you see him in real life, he’s going to be much bigger than what you see in his pictures. I think he he’s a he’s a big boy look like one of his clients. Yeah, it’s a great physique and yeah, respect him for getting that lean in uh in winning his shows, but I like personally I wouldn’t get quite that lean, but I know he loves competing, so it’s obviously uh it’s kind of required. But I think if if you had that level of muscle mass and you were like 15% body fat, you you’d look pretty massive. And then the last one I wanted to show you was this guy named Adam Pow, who I believe is a really good example of somebody that is a little bit genetically gifted, but nothing nothing elite, nothing freak territory, just somebody that’s pretty gifted and trains just like these other two guys have. So, uh, he has an excellent physique and, uh, if I had to pick like one goal physique for myself, it would be roughly this. So, we’ll look at some of his pictures. It looks like these are prep pictures when he’s very very lean. So, clearly holding on to some pretty good size. He has crazy arms. Um, I think I think he he admits that it is kind of a genetic thing with his arms. He’s like I train him hard, but nothing too crazy. Uh, but yeah, super impressive. Yep. S super lean. Uh looks a little bit flat. And I don’t mean that in a bad way. That’s just kind of how bodybuilding goes. Obviously, when he’s um if he’s on stage, at some point soon he’ll kind of fill out again. I think he’ll look great. But yeah, just an absurd amount of muscle mass. Uh when you see him a little bit more bulked up, like it’s just he looks nuts. Yeah, this is a good video. He’s he’s still obviously still very lean in that, but that’s just uh a bit big natty to put it simply. So, let let’s look at some of his training and see what we can find here. So, he trains trains super hard uh just like these other guys. Obviously, a lot of these recent clips are going to be on during his prep when he has to hold back a little bit. So, let’s see if we can find some uh some older videos and see how his training looked. I don’t I don’t know exactly how or when it uh Okay, 29 weeks out. Yeah, he’s still going to be training crazy hard in these. But yeah, that’s that’s somebody that’s just going to look like a tank in clothes when he’s super lean. He’ll still look pretty big in like the right clothes and stuff, but if you want to look massive as a natural, if you get to this level of muscle mass and you get to like this level of body fat, you’re going to look like an absolute tank. So, looks absolutely massive and uh yeah, two weeks of prep completed there. So, yeah, that’s um just kind of coming out of the off season. So, obviously like on camera it looks like a little bit less detail, but you can just see how big of a guy he is. So, let’s look through some of the training. Oh yeah, some leg training. And yeah, you could just tell it’s it’s a legit effort. like the facial expressions, face gets red, like it looks like they’re just in immense pain, but they just do it day in and day out. And they push so much harder in every set than most people ever push in their entire life. Like look, look at that. Who does their sets like that? Like that’s how you get to that level of jackedness. And then if you apply this type of training to somebody that does actually have freakish genetics, they’re going to be big. Like they’re not going to look natural. So yeah, super impressive. Um, I would recommend checking all these guys out on social media if you haven’t started looking at them already. But hopefully that was just a good little insight into uh what is possible naturally in my opinion at least. So let me know if you agree or disagree with anything. And that’s pretty much all I got for you. So hopefully that’s a good kind of followup where I can go into a little bit into uh my mindset, my philosophy when it comes to who’s natural and who isn’t. Obviously, I I have somewhat limited knowledge on actual like drug tests, PDS, that kind of stuff, but I’ll leave it that for today. So, if you guys have uh any questions, any opinions, I’d love to hear them in the comments. And that is uh all I got for you. So I see you guys in the next one.