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Hello everybody and welcome to Forever Sports. Breaking news. Yan Hendrickk Vessels and the Bulls have been unsuccessful in attempting to appeal the nine match ban that the player received for an alleged grope of the groin area in a game a couple of weeks ago against Kuck, which he received a nineame ban for. It was so controversial that Rusty Rasmus even took to Twitter talking about the fact that they have to fight in the boardroom. The bulls and vessels did officially apply to appeal the decision. However, a new um panel of discipline committee have said that there is not enough grounds to find that the original panel ered in their decision as a result will not listen to an appeal. However, they have reduced the ban by a single game down to 8 weeks which is the end of the entire decision and that will be final. Before we get into it, please do smash a like on the video. Please do subscribe to the channel as well. So this is the appealing or the appeal hearing that they had and basically there was a new chair of and a new committee for an independent appeal committee that Yanhuk vessels presented towards and that sat today on Wednesday today the 29th of October regarding the sighting and the subsequent suspension regarding the nine match ban and the independent committee was led by Rodi Mloud from Scotland as chair alongside Akiel Reley from Italy and Robert Milligan from Scotland. Basically, they determined the appeal. The player and the club, so London vessels as well as the Bulls requested a denovo hearing. However, regarding the um to the United Rugby Championships disciplinary rules, the panel considered that there were not exceptional circumstances to allow the request and as a result, they will not be able to appeal the decision. Accordingly, the appeal proceeded on the basis that the player and the club wish to challenge the decision of the initial hearing and the length of the ban. The basis of such an appeal requires an an appendent to demonstrate that the first instance disciplinary panel ered in their findings um sorry in its findings. After reviewing the grounds of appeal and hearing from the player and the club, the appeal committee dismissed the substantive grounds of appeal but reduced the ban by one week. They did so on the basis that the initial reduction from the low entry point of 12 weeks did not take into account an aspect of the players’s conduct in the context of the case and therefore they reduced it from the headline entry suspension down to four weeks which is 12 down to eight. What’s very interesting however is uh the fact that they said that due to the unique nature of this case once the final written report relates to the appeal hearing has been submitted to United Rugby Championship by the chair both reports of the initial hearing as well as the appeal will be made available for review. Now this is not something we see particularly often. So basically we are going to be able to see the entire verdict you know the um and exactly what the submissions were which you don’t often get. So if there’s one positive out of this entire situation, it is that part right there. The fact that they are going to be publishing the entire verdict and we will be able to get an idea of exactly what was said by Investors, what was submitted, what was said by the panel, what the different submissions were and what the final decision was made. So that is a very good thing in regards to us being able to get full transparency because I think this was the big thing that a lot of people were talking about that they’re saying if there is no substantive evidence which is which is currently the claim here at the moment you know it’s um it’s you know why is the decision they’re making and and and the fact is that there was no video evidence but they did say that there was no evidence in the original hearing decision. So it’s not like you can go over there and say but you know there was no evidence therefore you can’t give the bell I mean the ban because they said there was no video evidence however on the bad probability etc etc. So basically in terms of what’s happened here young vessels has um requested and actually I wanted to highlight that um a denovo hearing which basically means that you request a hearing as if the original one did not happen. So, you basically want to get a brand new committee um and and basically start the sighting from the get- go as if as if again if it wasn’t um ever held and as a result that would basically then mean that in theory hopefully the panels wouldn’t be prejudiced by the previous decision and they produce a brand new finding. Even if the finding is very similar to the last finding, it would have to be a brand new finding versus an appeal, for example, here where they’ve just reduced the ban from 9 weeks down to eight, but they’ve basically still laid it and based it on the previous and the initial hearings findings and they’ve just basically said that the the the findings were correct. However, the sentencing inverted commas, so the actual length of the ban was too long and they reduced that by a week. What this means is first of all, we will see a call up at the spring marks. They basically said that they were not going to call anybody up until the verd of that appeal had been um um found which is obviously now that that it’s going to be kept. So I think it’s going to be that kind of basically marks the end of that. a very very controversial ban, a very controversial situation and I can’t wait to see the actual documents and and and the whole sort of process to really understand exactly where they got the information that they used to to put in a nine match ban which is a very hefty ban even down to to 8 weeks. It’s a very long ban. I mean now for example he is banned until the 14th of December as over there. previously. I think it was a game on the 21st or the 28th odd that he had also been banned for. But an eightweek bang is is a substantial one. You know, it rules him out of he’s already served one game. It rules him out of five Bach games as well as two URC games. I mean, technically three URC games, one did four on the same time as a Bach game. So, yeah, it’s it’s a big blow for Y Vessel. So, I think he would have really been able to up his stocks during this end of year tour. I think it would have been a huge role that Russy Rus has already been giving him a lot of responsibility and getting him off the bench and getting him into important situations. Now he’s going to lose out on that. And also this is a big ban that goes against the players record which means any subsequent disciplinary action will mean that he will car heavier penalties because he’s now got an eight match ban on his disciplinary record. So this really does ruin what’s a what’s a very young player’s career uh in terms of a discipline point of view because now he’s had a a major ban and you know we we see for example Maxum Pimpy getting a match reduced due to the players you know disciplinary record well now Yanve’s disciplinary record does not look particularly good and we often see that the issue with Yasper Visa now whenever time he gets a ban or a red card that will never be reduced due to his disciplinary record because his disciplinary record is not good so that is the current situation. We wait and see. I man is actually in England. He is starting for the Barbarians this weekend. So, you know, one imagines that that’s an easy pop over to France a day later for him to be able to to join up with the box and uh I don’t see for example them making a call out to Musva unless they go a prop versus a hooker. But I’ll be very surprised that given the fact that there are only two specialist hookers in the squad. So that have to basen could potentially cover that third hooker role. What do you think of this whole situation? Let me know down in the comments below. Smash a like on the video. Subscribe to the channel as well. Thank you very much for watching. My name is Steve. I’ll chat to you soon.

28 Comments

  1. Very sad and totally unreal for rugby but the point Brenden makes is that you go in fully lawyered to the first hearing but even that sounds like it would not work. Apparently the legal team at the first hearing were not allowed to cross examing Josh Murphy so we have to find another term for a British kangeroo court. The rules of the disciplinary system appear to be structured in a way that once the first hearing is concluded nothing can be challenged you have to bring new evidence. There are so many strange details in this that if true are shocking to the point that SARU needs to take action.

  2. So URC disciplinary panel now takes the eye witness account of a person in the stands over the camera footage, from multiple angles, evaluated in real time by multiple experts… Okay, I smell bullsh*t

  3. An IRISH citing commissioner got involved and lied to protect Murphy whose 3rd red card would have resulted in a long ban. Hope the Kiwis put a massive hiding on the Irish.

  4. This is how they came up with the ban… o his South African… lets give him a long ban… even though we dont have evidence.
    They cant stop us.

  5. Josh Murphy is going to face a SA storm on the field. It will be better for him to start playing golf

  6. Civil case – see "evidence" stand up in a real court of law. So any player can make a claim about another player and without evidence…..(let's stress this is about evidence), the accused player can be found guilty. !! It is ludicrous.

  7. Wessels has bad discipline. Even in the past Bok matches. Always doing silly things. I'm ok with the ban.

  8. The whole of SA should back JHW, take them to civil court or arbitration. This is on par with match fixing. Start a fund and I will contribute for legal fee's

  9. This makes me sick. Sue the URC in a civil court case for libel and loss of income. I hope The Bulls/ SARU have the balls to do this… but they'll probably just roll over and do nothing.

  10. While on the ground he landed on top of my arm I was in instant pain so I decided to move said arm unfortunately while escaping said hand i went past and gave him a .5 second raking not the 3 to 5 like ol Murphy came up with

  11. So basically if it looks like you murdered someone, then you did. Being South African to World Rugby is like being black in America, youre guilty before proven innocent.

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