Aaron Rodgers REVENGE Game? + NFL Fall Meeting Recap!

Do we really believe Aaron Rodgers when he says his SNF matchup against his former Green Bay Packers is not a revenge game? Yahoo Sports’ Andrew Siciliano, Jori Epstein and Ben Fawkes break down the biggest games this week in the NFL, starting with Steelers-Packers. They also discuss Lamar Jackson’s potential return for Bears-Ravens, Patrick Mahomes making his MVP case against the banged up Commanders and more. They finish the show up with a report from Jori on the latest updates from the NFL fall meetings. Could we see a tush push ban in spring 2026? Find out on today’s episode!

(2:40) – Packers vs. Steelers
(13:40) – Bears vs. Ravens
(21:45) – Cowboys vs. Broncos
(31:02) – Giants vs. Eagles
(39:25) – Commanders vs. Chiefs
(47:37) – NFL fall meetings recap

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All [Music] right, everybody. Let’s do a show. Welcome to Inside Coverage. The how and the why, any, and everything you need to know around the National Football League. We’re here Monday through Thursday. My name is Andrew Siciliano. It’s week eight. We are thrilled that you are here. Every Thursday, we do the big preview show. Maybe not every game because we don’t want it a three-hour pod, but the games that are most important to us. How about that? Plus, this week on this week’s week 8 preview show, I said week three times in 4 seconds. We’re going to sprinkle in a little news from the fall meeting because back from the fall meeting, ladies and gentlemen, let’s pull back the curtain and unveil my partners for this show, not only Ben Fox, our betting analyst, but back from the league meeting. It was a very short trip across uh across Midtown. Jory Epstein, how the heck are you? I am doing well. Happy to see you guys. How are you doing, Andrew and Ben? I am wonderful. Thank you for your camera work and all your lobby reporting. It is hard work hanging out in the lobby trying to find an owner to say something silly, but you guys were great collectively as an NFL media uh group getting uh not that the NFL media group, that’s actually NFL Network. I mean, a group of of, you know, collected members of the NFL media getting people like Woody Johnson to say something uh silly. And as Ben Fox is here, our betting analyst as well, like we sit here trying to figure out who the heck Woody is going to start a quarterback this week. Um, among life’s conundrums, Ben, heading into week eight. That is one of them. Listen, it’s all important for betterers. I think uh the Jets are, you know, they all take it cash the same as we say. So, you want to bet on them. you want to bet against them. And shockingly, there is always a lot of sharp money on the Jets. Uh they’re one of the teams the Sharps have backed o repeatedly this season. It’s happened the last couple years. Not always uh taking those to the window, but for whatever reason, people have liked the Jets. Uh hopefully they didn’t see too much that London game, although I will say they did cover against the Broncos in that game. So again, doesn’t have to be pretty as long as you cash a ticket. Yeah. And uh I always put my hands up and say for recreational purposes only. And when you mentioned sharps and I think of the Jets, I think of friends who are Jets fans who I have to remind on week on Sundays to stay away from sharp objects obviously as the Jets are the last remaining winless team in the National Football League. All right. So we don’t do every game. We do the games that are most important to us. All right. The games that that we have our our WhatsApp and we were bouncing around last night to figure out the most important games to us. We’re going to go right to Sunday night here, which is the Packers at 4-1 and the Steelers at 4-2 with Tariq and Collinssworth and Melissa Stark. Let’s let’s before we do that tell you it’s a seven games early in a three game late window and six teams have buys. The Cardinals, the Jaguars, the Raiders, the Lions, the Rams, and the Seahawks. Four more teams have buys next week. So, this one’s kind of weird. This is the Aaron Rogers revenge game. Although he says it’s not a revenge game. He doesn’t like that phrase and this game doesn’t mean that much more to him other than the fact that he knows a whole bunch of people over there from his 18 years. I’m going to pull the audience before we dive into the numbers. Jory, do you believe that this isn’t a revenge game for him and he’s just shrugging his shoulders? Do you buy that? No. I don’t either. Ben, do you buy that? I I I think uh outside of Michael Jordan and a few others, Aaron Rogers can make just about anything into a slight. So, uh, he’s the king of that. It feels pretty hard to believe, uh, and fairly disingenuous that this is not a revenge game, uh, for him. I don’t think everything is hunky dory with everyone in that organization, even that if that’s kind of the, uh, picture he was painting in that press conference. Yeah, we’re on the same page here. I think it’s also fair to say that two things can be true, which is that he wants revenge against, say, general manager Brian Gunnus, who made that decision to draft Jordan Love, who then still cut Aaron Rogers after he won two MVPs with Jordan Love in the building. And also that Aaron will be very excited to see the list of people he mentioned, including Jordan Love. I do not believe he’s trying to get revenge against Jordan Love. To be clear, I think when he tells us Jordan Love’s a good kid, which Jordan Love is great. He’s so awesome for us to work with. Um, I think that he thinks highly of Jordan Love. Jordan was in that position. Aaron had been in it previously with Brett Favre. He understands that. And I think that there are the equipment guys and the strength guys and the PT guys and who’s getting Aaron his helmet. I mean, we know he cares about what helmet. He’s talked about that pretty extensively in recent years. So, I do think there are a lot of people that um he’s going to be excited to see in terms of is it a revenge game? Does it mean more than the others? There’s kind of this landscape against which we should view it, which is I was at the Steelers game against the Jets week one. I’ll be there in Pittsburgh this week for the Packers trip to the Steelers after that week one visit. So again, Aaron Rogers going back to the team he just played for who also said they do not want him back. He definitely said it felt good to beat anyone associated with the Jets. But he also said from like a revenge standpoint and all the memories, it would be different than if it was the Packers whom he had played for 18 years. So he already told us then the Packers mean more than the Jets in terms of the history he has with them. On the flip side of that, he said this week, which I think is fair, that from an emotional standpoint, it feels different to play at Lambeau Field than for the Packers who have a lot of players he didn’t play with anymore to come to Pittsburgh. So I think there’s gradations of all of this. Yeah, I I’m with you. Those are great points, Dory. I I also remember if you go back to to when he did play and beat the Jets week one as you were referring to the whole week I was like ah this game doesn’t mean much to me and then afterwards it’s like oh yeah oh yeah uh-huh yep this game meant a lot uh and it was deny deny deny deny deny and then like at the very end because they won um not maybe not growling I I that’s I know you were walking off the field to them but you know he he called it seemed on the podium afterwards that he kind of held those emotions in during the week. Is that fair to say? And then afterwards kind of conceded that yes, there was something there. I I think it’s a similar idea to me, which is that there are people against whom he wanted revenge with the Jets and then people with whom he was and is still very close with. But I think that he let his guard down a little bit when he put the hand to the ear and cupped it on his way off after beating them. And you were right there. Actually, I think that that was actually more of a moment than it feels good to beat anyone associated with the Jets. Cuz that was actually in response to someone specifically asking did it feel good to beat Aaron Glenn, their head coach, after he hadn’t wanted Rogers. And so Rogers was actually there to say it’s not just Aaron, it’s everyone. But really like it was more Aaron. So to me, the handcuffping was much more of the moment of like, yeah, I’ll get my little moment and show you guys I still got it and I’m not washed like you thought I was when you let me go to Pittsburgh. Exactly. And last Thursday, he didn’t look washed. He threw the three touchdowns to three different tight ends. He got tackled by his own left tackle. I mean, there’s a lot going on there. To me, this game comes down honestly to can Pittsburgh stop Jordan Love. And Aaron, this is this is kind of different. Aaron is kind of the deodorant here for what is unless they’re playing the Browns. the Pittsburgh defense that is not good. They’re giving up 375 yards a game. They’re the number 28 total defense in the NFL. They’re allowing 23 points a game, which is kind of middle of the pack. And only the Cowboys have a worse pass defense than the Jaylen Ramsay, Darius Slay, Joey Porter Jr., he just held somebody again. Pittsburgh Steelers. They have the number 31 pass D in the NFL. And I say only the Cowboys are worse. It’s a yard and a half difference. That’s it. So they’re basically the same. The Steelers are basically tied with the Cowboys for the worst pass defense in the NFL. So listen, I think Aaron Rogers is going to do enough against Micah Parsons or whomever Jeff Hafley throws at him to put points on the board like he did against Cincinnati. You know, granted, Cincinnati’s defense is awful as well. And I do think Rogers is going to do enough to become the fifth quarterback in NFL history to beat 32 different teams. He’s going to do it like Favre and Brady and Manning and Breeze. But honestly, Ben, this game to me comes down to can Terrell Austin and Mike Tomlin dial up a defense to stop Jordan Love because that’s their Achilles heel. Yeah. Diving into the numbers, I I was intrigued that by DVOA, the Green Bay offense is eighth. The Steelers actually ninth. So, fairly equivalent there, which I wouldn’t have thought, but the the Packers seventh on defense, uh, and the Steelers 20th, right? Green Bay sixth overall, the Steelers 10th. Steelers obviously coming off a little bit of a mini buy playing last Thursday against the Bengals. I think to your point, not only did they lose that game, the concerning I part, I think, is how they lost it. and just making Joe Flacco look like a prime Aaron Rodgers against that defense. That’s not something that should happen. The Packers, they’re a three-point favorite in this game in Pittsburgh. Generally, Mike Tomlin as a home underdog has done well in 32 games. He’s 19 and 13 straight up, 227 and three against the spread as a home underdog. And the Packers are a little weird team because they have won all of these games, but they’ve actually lost four straight games against the spread and they’re 0 and three against the spread on the road this season. Not an impressive showing against the Cardinals. They did pull the game out, including that kind of controversial fourth and two going for that instead of kicking the tying field goal, but they’ve kind of left you wanting more. They were the potential Super Bowl favorites after that Micah Parson’s deal. They dominated the Lions and they’ve grinded out these wins, but they haven’t been meeting the market expectations. So, it’ll be interesting to see what happens in this game and whether they kind of can live up to those market expectations as well. And this is also a really important game for the Steelers. I know we’re going to talk about the Ravens coming up, but the oddsmakers don’t think that division is decided. And especially with that loss to the Bengals in a game we thought the Steelers, they’re five five and a half point favorites would win. Those division odds are very very close right now. The Steelers are plus 125 at Bet MGM. The Ravens are plus 140. So they are right there despite the difference in those records. So really important game for both teams. Arguably you could say the Steelers need a little more with their difficult schedule coming up as well. Yeah, you know, it’s it’s an interesting point, Jory. You’re going to be there again. If the Bengals beat the Jets, let’s just assume they’re going to beat the Jets. Although the Jets have a past D here and I don’t know. So let’s assume the Bengals beat the Jets. They get to three wins. They have and they’re going to play again. They have the win as Ben pointed out in hand over the Steelers and the Steelers fall to four and three. So, it’s three and four and four and three. Yeah, I definitely think that there’s still room in this division, but I I don’t know. I think that the Steelers have the ability to figure this out. I think they have the talent. I think to me the defensive key will be Jaylen Ramsay. And I think that even though there are pieces that are not settled, despite Jaylen Ramsey being one of the newer additions to that defense, I mean, if you hear Mike Tomlin talk about him and Aaron Rogers talk about him and all of his teammates talk about him, what he’s been able to do on the field, what he’s played through to some degree from a health standpoint and just the versatility of his position and whether it’s the pass break up at the end of the game in one week and then you’ve got his interception another week. I mean, I think there’s just a lot he can do and I do think that that will be something that the Green Bay Packers, they’re a talented team, but they have been struggling in recent weeks. And I would also say on the other side of the ball, the Green Bay Packers defense has really struggled a lot more against the deep ball in the last three games that they played versus the first three. They’ve really I think they are tied with five touchdowns allowed um against uh downfield throws in that stretch and no one has allowed more. And so I think when you look at it, if Aaron Rogers can open it up a little bit, I mean, he actually has been throwing much closer to the sticks. Um, almost all of his yards are coming after the catch. is the highest percentage in the league that I think that if you say Aaron, yes, you can throw some of those quick passes and maybe you do want to throw quickly because you want to neutralize Micah Parsons, but why don’t we just also mix in some of those deep throws to DK to a big target like Darnell Washington, whoever it is, because the Packers have not been defending downfield very well. No, they haven’t. Those are all great points here. And uh Jory, good luck traveling. The Pittsburgh airport is a mess right now. Construction. The new hall is supposed to open in a couple of weeks. It’s not there yet. There’s like, you know, whatever. It’s a mess. Have fun. Um, true inside coverage right there. That is true inside coverage there. The Franco Harris thing is no longer there next to the escalators. There’s scaffolding all over the place. It’s supposed to be great when it does open when they do do the full remodel. But I Yes, Ben, I could review any airport in America. Let’s go. Um, including airports in both Baltimore uh and Chicago. Either of the ones in Chicago. I was just in the one in Baltimore a couple of weeks ago. Um the way you got to get to the United Gates, the the security is all the way down there. They need to consolidate it. Anyway, I digress. Um Bears, Ravens, Bears are 4-2. The Ravens are 105. We dipped into this one a little bit yesterday with me and Charles Robinson. This to me is one of the most fascinating games of I don’t want to say the season, but actually, you know what? I will say the season. It is a one o’clock game on CBS with Ian Eagle, JJ Watt, and the very tall Evan Washburn down to the sideline. As of today, we’re recording this on Thursday. Lamar Jackson back-to-back limited in practice designations. The thought is he’s going to play, but no one has said that. And John Harbaugh has been very cy. Wouldn’t even on Wednesday when asked if it isn’t Lamar, is it definitely going to be Cooper Rush? Wouldn’t even answer that. There’s a thought it might be Tyler Huntley who when last we saw the Ravens before the buy came off the bench when Cooper Rush was ineffective. have DeAndre Swift limited as well, which is key here to the Bears who during their four-game winning streak and they’re scoring 21 points at all these games have really found that run game and Swift is 100 yards has a 100 yards um in each of the last two weeks. Uh Ben, I’m going to reverse course here and start with you rather than Jory because this is the one and I’ll talk the spread here. Confounding numbers to me and we talked about it yesterday. It’s 6 and a half. The Bears have won four in a row. The Bears are on a heater. The Ravens are coming off a buy. And I know John Harbaugh is 14 and3 in his career in Baltimore coming off a buy. But Lamar’s status is up in the air. And the Ravens are giving up 30 points a game. What am I missing here? Well, I don’t think you’re necessarily missing anything. I think some things are priced in a bit. So, just looking through, for example, the schedule, right? the Ravens. They played October 5th at home against the Texans. Then they played at home against the Rams. Then they had a buy and now they’re at home against Chicago. So since October 5th, they have been home the entire time. So they haven’t had to leave at all. That obviously makes a little difference with travel. They are coming off a by-week. It is interesting, right? Because they are 1 and5 against the spread. They are the worst team in the NFL against the spread, which you would have won a lot of money before the season through week seven, saying the Ravens were going to be the worst team under John Harbaugh uh with Lamar playing several games against the spread. But also, you have to factor in a couple things besides that rest. One is that that defense has been really bad, but mostly without its full component of pieces. And I I take that Bills game a little bit in week one with a grain of salt just because I think Josh Allen was unstoppable and any defense uh outside of the 85 Bears and maybe the Ravens in the early 2000s was going to slow them down that game. So that one aside, they’re getting a lot Aduzier, excuse me, Auzier full participant. That that works. Kyle Hamilton full participant, right? Marlon Humphrey full participant. Patrick, Patrick Ricard, uh, full participant, Rocoan Smith on the offensive line, Ronnie Staley. So, they’re getting the components of a team which was either the number one power-rated team or in the top three to five of all oddsmakers I spoke with before the season. And yes, they have for sure underperformed expectations on the field and in the betting market so far, but there is still that pre-season uh what you thought of them component and then what we’ve seen so far. And I think they just haven’t had enough games with their full team for the market to fully say, hey, this team is just much worse than we thought. This is a team that that has a win total, preseason win total of 11 12. So, if they lose any more games, they will go under that win total. This is a team that’s supposed to be a Super Bowl contender. Lamar Jackson was the MVP favorite entering the season. So, all of those things are, I think, why this spread is a little higher than you’d think. And also, it really is, we talked about division odds, but this is a game that they really can’t afford to drop, but if they were going to drop a game, it is also against the Bears, and it’s out of conference, so it’s a little less important in that sense. Bears have won four in a row against the spread in straight up. And a good nugget from Bet Labs. Uh since 2003, teams that have won 20% or fewer of their games, so the Ravens would be an example at 1 and5 and are at least a three-point favorite, which the Ravens here are 6 and a half, uh are 30, 14, and two, 68% against the spread since 2003. So generally they’re favored for a reason, and generally they do cover that spread. Interesting note too, the Bears are the only team in the NFL that has gone over their team total. So how many points the Bears are expected to score each game in all six games. So but to your point, really interesting game for a lot of reasons. Not completely shocked that the line is 6 and a half. And also we saw this with that Texans game where the line completely moved before Lamar Jackson was ruled out. I think it moved 12 points and the Texans ended up as a uh two point two and a half point favorite. This has still held at about Ravens minus 6, Ravens minus 6 and a half. And oddsmakers I spoke to believe Lamar Jackson is going to play. So while it hasn’t been officially, you know, put out there that he is and he is limited in practice, the expectation based off of the line and the lack of market movement so far is that Lamar will be playing on Sunday. When I look at what’s the key to this game, it’s actually not the Ravens defense. It’s actually the other side of the ball and it’s not specifically the offense and whether Lamar can play, but what is the turnover differential going to look like? I think that when you say the Ravens have gone one and five, it’s accurate and it’s fair and you play who you play, but and it’ll impact the playoff standings, but also they played the Bills and the Lions and the Chiefs and the Rams. And so those teams, I expect all of those teams to be in the playoffs and and get in pretty comfortably. So I think when you look at their losses, yes, some of the ways they lost might be bad, but the actual fact that they lost, I’m less concerned about that than I’m concerned of how they are going to respond from the losses and what it’s going on in the locker room and John Harbaugh in the locker room and the relationship between all that. I think that those um dynamics, particularly for a coach who’s been in the locker room or with a team I should say, for a while can start to impact it. My problem is a key in that has been the turnovers. I mean, the the Ravens, they turn over the ball three times last week, three the week before, two-1. They’ve only had one turnover free game. And um the I looked at the Bears because you would say, well, oh well, are the Bears actually any good at takeways? Yeah, they lead the league in takeways. They lead the league in net differential on turnovers. And the Ravens are second to worst on that. And so to me, the question is, are the Bears defense going to force the Ravens, Lamar Jackson or not, into these mistakes? And I get that Derrick Henry should be able to run the ball more easily with Lamar Jackson in there and another threat behind the legs, but if if you fumble, it doesn’t necessarily matter because that’s probably going to decide the game, especially if it happens repeatedly as it has recently for the Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, that that note about the the turnovers, it’s they’re do they come in bunches, as coaches like to say, the uh the Bears have three or more takeaways in each of their last four games. So, the winning streak here, weeks three through seven, and that’s tied for the longest streak of any team in six years in the NFL. The Steelers had a streak like that for five straight weeks back in 2019. So, Dennis Allen has found something with this team and they’re turning the ball over a lot. Again, a lot of it has to do with Lamar and the Ravens, to everyone’s point here, they know that if they go to one and six, it’s over. So, like their season is on the line right here. Um, but hey, I like the way the Bears are playing. That’s just me. Coming up on Inside Coverage, if that weren’t the game of the week, I maybe it’s just me. Uh, Cowboys and Broncos could be the game of the week. Cowboys very good offensively, very bad defensively. That one is in the spotlight coming up next year on Inside Coverage. Inside coverage here on Yahoo, Andrew Siciliano, Jory Epstein, our betting analyst expert. Well, I’ve heard it both ways. is Ben Fox. As we continue to go through our week eight games, as mentioned earlier, six teams are off. Four more teams, by the way, have buys next week. So, this is like the heart of the buy season. There are seven games early and three games late. In the late window, the 400 p.m. Eastern time window. There’s really one game that stands out. It’s the Cowboys and the Broncos 33 and one at 5-2. The other games are the Titans and the Colts. And the Colts are favored by more than two touchdowns, which is just mindblowing against anyone, but that’s the season they have had. and and they deserve that certainly. And then the other late game, Baker and the banged up Bucks. Say that five times fast against Spencer Rattler and the Saints. So, this is clearly the game that the majority, the overwhelming majority of America will see on CBS with Nance and Romo and Tracy Wolson down to the sideline. We talked earlier about the Steelers bad defense and and the Cowboys bad defense. I’m trying to put the Cowboys bad defense into perspective here because remember, the Broncos have a great defense. At least they get after the passer better than any other defense in the NFL. So, the Cowboys have the number one total offense. So, 390 yards per game, almost 400 yards per game, which is absurd. Okay, but they have the number 32, the worst total defense. This is Super Bowl 60. So, this is year 60 of the quote unquote Super Bowl era. Only once in the Super Bowl era has a team finished the year with the number one offense and the worst defense ever. That was the 85 Chargers who finished 8 and8 and made the playoffs. Not surprisingly, the the Cowboys are sitting here at 500, 33 and one basically. So they’re basically three and a half and three in the win loss record. The Cowboys are what they are. I I’ve said all week I’ve said the last couple of weeks they shouldn’t punt. Brian Angger should have one job and one job only especially at altitude for for Brandon Aubrey and that is holding for 80 yard field goals. That’s it. The Broncos have won four straight after a one and two start but both those losses have come on game-winning field goals as time expired. Week two against Indianapolis and week two against the Chargers. Both of those games are on the road. Jory, there are a lot of ways to look at this game. You could look at it as merely the Javvante Williams revenge game, which I don’t think anyone is other than Javvante Williams and his family. You could also look at it as can Dak Prescott keep on lighting it up and is that enough to win? I think this will be a real test for the Cowboys offense because we’ve seen what they can do and we’ve seen how consistent they’ve been and that they’ve uh improved even more when they got back uh Satie Lamb, Kavonte Turpin, Tyler Booker, some offensive lineman to go with what Dak and George Pickkins had been doing and what the run game was able to do most of the games, although not against the Carolina Panthers. And now this will be the best defense that the Cowboys has faced. And so you have to say, okay, what are they going to be able to do against Denver, particularly when, sure, the Broncos have struggled offensively in recent games, but most teams that struggle offensively would like to play a team like the Dallas Cowboys. So I think from a schematic standpoint, both offenses are going to be tested in different ways. And I think that you can also say, well, hey, Denver, how are you going to respond to what happened last week? Is this going to be something you ride or is this going to be something that you actually have a little bit of exhaustion carrying over from what you had to do in the fourth quarter and you’re not quite ready here? So, I think there’s a lot of story lines to look at here. Yeah, this is another I mean another a great game as well. The Broncos have been such a kind of weird team. Like you look at the schedule and you say, “All right, they’re facing the Giants and they’re facing the Jets. Two easy wins, right?” And somehow still, thankfully I didn’t get up and watch the entire London game, but they managed to beat the Jets 13 to11 in a game. The Jets, I believe, had 82 yards of offense on 57 offensive plays, which is nearly impossible to have. And yet, they barely eaked that game out. Now, win’s a win. They still did it. And obviously, they got the victory uh improbably against the uh Giants last weekend. It’s really been that fourth quarter. They also outscored I think the Eagles 18- nothing in the fourth quarter to come back and win that game. Uh they did lose that game against the Colts earlier in the season with the leverage uh calls. They’ve had a kind of a weird season where you could make the case they should have won a couple more games and you can easily make the case they should have lost several of these games. Uh they are a team though obviously much better defense. They are, let’s say, eighth uh in DVOA on defense, seventh against the pass, ninth against the rush. So, they’ve been great. Dallas offense on the other side, fourth overall, sixth in passing DVOA, third in rushing DVOA. But Denver also has kind of it’s depended on the quarterback they’ve faced. They’ve given up a lot of passing yards to good quarterbacks. Uh 316 to Daniel Jones, 300 to Justin Herbert, 280 to Herz. Uh, and whereas when they’ve played not as good quarterbacks like Jake Browning, Justin Fields, Cam Ward, they’ve kind of dominated those. So, I think the defense is still really good. It’s that question of the Cowboys right now are clearly a flawed team, but is it better to have that really, really good offense and maybe you can outscore teams versus that defense that obviously it’s so difficult to defend the NFL these days with penalties and everything else can slip up and you’re going to stay in some of those games. The Cowboys right now a three and a half point underdog in Denver. Public is on the Cowboys. The Cowboys 3-0 ATS as underdogs this season. And also interesting that Bo Knicks last season for the Broncos 8-0 against the spread as a favorite. This season 1 and four. So they were outperforming probably lower expectations. This season underperforming probably higher expectations. But should be a really good game in Denver. And yes, I do hope they let Brandon Aubrey attempt a 70 to 75 yd field goal at the end of the first half. Yeah, you mentioned B Knicks. He he became the first player in NFL history to have two passing touchdowns and two rushing touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone in that crazy comeback last week. Um there’s a fun one. You know, I’m interested does cuz you know, hey, the Broncos reportedly could use a wide receiver, right? They drafted Pat Bryant this year. They obviously got they have Franklin, they have Courtland Sutton, they have Marvin Mims, but one of the teams out there that it’s been said maybe as we get closer to the trade deadline they go get themselves another weapon. Does Matt Eberloose after playing more man, which is totally out of character last week, play more man this week? Does he go back to what he’s always done, which is the bread and butter, which is the zone? I’m also interested, Jory. You know, we spent so much time and I know it was obviously a topic of conversation there, I’m sure, in the lobby at the fall meeting in New York with Shawn Payeyton and Russell Wilson. Like, how does this team respond after uh getting beaten soundly for three quarters and then finally waking up for an historic run um and a cinematic performance in the fourth quarter. And then there’s the thing with Shawn and Russell this week. I don’t know that that factors, but like what what’s the mood in the building? They won the game, but did they lose the game? and and how Shawn Payeyton gets his team ready this week. Yeah, I’m glad you asked that about Denver because I felt the opposite way about the Giants, which is that the Giants should feel better than they probably did when they lost that game, especially if you’re Jackson dart because what that Giants offense was able to do against Denver for three quarters, I thought was really impressive and really beyond what I was expecting. But I do think we’re going to learn something about the Denver culture and how they respond and what their to what degree they’re buying into Shawn Payeyton. And on the flip side, from a Cowboys perspective, I think we’re going to learn something about what their trade deadline activity is going to look like. I talked to Cowboys executive vice president Steven Jones and Jerry Jones actually, but Stephen for this particular quote at the league meetings. And when I was asking him about it, he said, “Look, when you see the league right now, you only have two teams with one loss and one of those teams has a tie in there.” And so this is a league where everyone feels like they have a chance. Everyone feels like, well, I shouldn’t get rid of my good player because I might still make the playoffs. I’m not quite out of it yet, which is really going to impact the trade deadline. So, I think when we’re watching the Cowboys Broncos game this week as well as some of the other games, we should realize that both in terms of whether teams are willing to part with players and whether teams are going to try and go get someone at the deadline that this week a lot of people at the leagues were telling at the league meetings were telling me they feel like it’s going to be very informative in terms of who wants to be a buyer or seller at the trade deadline. Yeah, that’s a great point. And again, election day is the trade deadline. So, Tuesday, November 4. Um, these games mean something. They truly do. Remember, the Browns were were part of an effort to to push the trade deadline back one week. They wanted two weeks. We’re going to settle for one week. So, it is election day. Um, let’s go to the NFC East here because you mentioned the Giants, Jory. The Giants are at two and five. The Eagles at 5-2. This one’s in Philadelphia. Remember, they played in prime time. They had the TNF game a couple of weeks ago. They’re playing twice in three weeks, which is something you don’t well sometimes you see it um especially in the in the back half of the season. This is first in the NFC East against last in the NFC East. So, how do the Giants respond here after blowing that huge lead? Um they’re up 18 with six minutes to go. You’re not supposed to lose that game. This is in terms of the broadcast the Birkhart, Tom Brady, Aaron Andrews, Tom Raldi Fox crew. The injury of note here is AJ Brown who is active on Instagram but inactive on the field. He is a DNP again today with a hammy. And truly no one knows if AJ Brown is going to play after a great game last week. He had a buck 21 and a couple of touchdowns. Um he leads the team in 51 targets despite all the passive aggressive griping on social media. Dvonte Smith had a career game last week. Jaylen threw for 300. They’re not a running team anymore. They’re a passing team. Remember after the game two weeks ago when Scataboo is ripping his his dry fit off and and Jackson Dart is hooting and hollering. Our friend Mike Arafollo said, “Hey, look around. You realize this doesn’t happen like this.” And and Dart said, “Yeah.” And everyone had a good time. The what also doesn’t happen is the Giants don’t sweep the Eagles. So, we looked it up. The Giants have not swept the Eagles since 2007. So like an Eli Super Bowl season. It has been 18 years since the Giants swept the Eagles. How about just win in Philadelphia? They haven’t won in Philadelphia in 12 years. Last time they won in Philadelphia, Chip Kelly was the head coach. Since then, Chip Kelly has coached the 49ers. He’s coached UCLA for what felt like an eternity. He called plays for Ohio State last year, led them to a national championship, and right now he’s calling plays for the Raiders. That that’s been his journey. He was the coach the last time the Giants found a way, or rather the Eagles Yeah, I’m sorry. The Giants found a way to win in Philadelphia. Listen, on paper here, the Eagles in my eyes, even despite jory all their offensive issues, are the are the better team. We know they’re the better team even though they’ve been outgainained in all seven games. Um, I do think the Giants keep this interesting though. I I I can’t I can’t wrap my brain around them sweeping them though. I definitely think that this is one of those fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. I don’t think that the Eagles are going to let the Giants get away with this twice. I think that the Eagles defense is going to find an answer for Jackson Darth the way it was making life pretty difficult and pretty confusing to diagnose for Carson Wentz last week. And I think that we will see the Eagles have this comeback. And what I’m curious about is what will that look like? Because as you mentioned, AJ Brown’s not practicing. There are certain guys in the league and you could say AJ Brown isn’t one, but this is the thing that uh practice a lot less than they play. And um I definitely covered guys like that when I was in Dallas. And sometimes it’s sort of like how are they feeling? What do they think is best? Also, AJ Brown has a history of certain injuries. So, if he’s got a knee injury and he’s got that history, is it just better to rest even if it’s not the most fun option? Um, I do think that to me the question will actually not be whether the Eagles can win. I think they can, but I want to know, can the Eagles get their run defense back on track against this team? And I recognize that the Giants have a good defensive front, but if I want to feel good coming out of this game for the Eagles, I want to see that they can move the ball a little bit on the ground. Yeah, this is going to be a game. Eagles a seven and a half point uh favorite. This is going to be what we uh call a teaser special teasers where you can move the move that six points down, move another game six points down. A lot of people are going to have the Eagles in a teaser or a moneyline parlay, meaning just betting the Eagles to win the game with someone else. I think Jackson Dart has played better maybe than people even think. Uh Frank isn’t here, so I can use QBR. Uh cuz I know he doesn’t like QBR at all. Frank He hates QBR. I didn’t realize that. Rating also or QBR in particular? He he seemed to not like QBR as as a stat. Uh, which all QBR is is ESPN deciding it wants a proprietary passer rating stat. It’s I mean it’s it’s different math, but it’s just the same concept. But I I I don’t know. Do Do you guys like QBR or passer rating? I’ve never heard anyone in a bar talk about passer rating or QBR like, “Hey, I don’t know. I don’t I don’t know if our quarterback has a good enough QBR right now.” Have you? Uh, I think I actually have, but I don’t I use pass rate. I don’t use QBR, but I do think passer rating is notable. I mean, I think it’s re relevant going back to the turnovers we were talking about a few minutes ago and how much they can impact games. Passer rating highly uh factors in touchdown to interception ratio and I think that matters. All right. So, I will uh not not defend my former my former employer too much, but QBR incorporates a lot more things than passer rating, such as giving credit for yards after the catch versus that uh versus just, you know, someone takes a five yard screen pass and goes 80 yards, the quarterback gets less credit with QBR than they might with passer rating. Same thing with rushing, quarterback rushing, etc. So, incorporates a lot more things than power rating, uh than passer rating. Moving on, uh Jackson Dart is 14th in QBR, Josh Allen 13th. So, he is he has played well and Jaylen Herds is eighth. Uh he’s played well. I thought it seemed like he tweaked his ankle. I know he is on the injury report and was a full participant, but it seemed like he tweaked his ankle in that Broncos game. Maybe I forget if it was the second or the third quarter, uh and was far less mobile after that. I think that led potentially to that interception which eventually kind of turned that game as well. And obviously a lot of what we’ve seen from him and how he’s been able to get some of those first downs and kind of backyard football has been due to his mobility. So I think that’s one big injury certainly uh to monitor over the course of the week and to see as the game starts kind of how he looks. Uh and ultimately the Eagles are 11th in DVOA. The Giants are 24th. They’re pretty much the same. The Giants I think they’re 23rd on offense, 25th on defense. So, the Eagles are a much better team. As a Vikings fan from watching that game last week, I don’t think they’re particularly impressive. I think they’re very impressive in making the plays generally that they need to to win the games. Uh, and that’s what they’ve done, which is why it was so odd on that Thursday night when they just weren’t making any of those plays against the Giants. So, this is definitely one I see the Eagles, I think, uh, putting their imprint on and with a little more tape and potentially a less mobile Jackson Dart, I think this one potentially gets away from the Giants. Uh, and the Eagles win going away. It is Jackson Dart’s first divisional road start for whatever that is worth. And if you want to end the conversation, at least for this game, with a a passer rating note, Jaylen Herz had a perfect passer rating a week ago. one. Ben’s not impressed. I’m aware. I’m aware of his passer rating. I can throw it up 50 yards to AJ Brown to come come down with it, too, if I know he’s going to be wide open. No, he he played a he played a great game. He made a lot of great plays and uh and he did deserve that that pass rating. He played great. Yeah. No, I I I do think the relevant numbers. I think look, more data is always better, right? Always, always, always. I sometimes try to, you know, you don’t want to dumb it down. You don’t want to dumb it down. I’ve just like I always kind of fall back on the, you know, you don’t hear people debating passer rating when they’re talking about what they saw on Sunday. But during the week, yes, it is absolutely, it is absolutely a relevant number. And it does point out the fact that Jaylen Herz when when the Eagles really had to win by throwing the football last week, had a great game. People say you can’t throw the ball downfield. Well, maybe you can. So there, that’s that. Let’s get to the Monday night game because this one maybe doesn’t have the same juice it did when you looked at it at the schedule a couple of weeks ago or on the schedule. So, it’s Washington at three and four on the road at Kansas City at 4 and3. So, this is and it’s only one Monday night game this week. The Joe Buck, Troy Aman, Lisa Salters, and Laura Rutled game. And Jaden Daniels isn’t going to play. It’s official. Dan Quinn said it today. Marcus Mariota is going to start. It’ll be his third start of the year. So that actually is part of the story of the commander season. Uh he’s one and one. Uh Vegas and Atlanta, they split against or he split against two of his former teams. Uh the Chiefs defense basically, and you have to consider this, got a buy last week because the Raiders ran only 30 plays. It’s not unfair to say, look, they still had to tackle. They still had to be out there for 30 plays. And a lot of the guys who play defense also play special teams, but they they kind of got a by-week. And I think Patrick Mahomes is going to win the MVP. I’m going to say it right now. He’s already won it twice. I think he’s looking at his third MVP. And I think this is going to be another statement game for Patrick Mahomes. Dorren Armstrong is out. He’s by far the best pass rusher right now for the Commanders and he’s out for the season. Listen to what Mahomes has done. And I’m going to go to passer rating, guys. In his last three games, he or actually three of his last four, he’s got a passer rating above 120. Like, that’s even even I know that’s really really really good. He is the first player in NFL history with 1,800 yards passing, 200 yards rushing, and fewer than four giveaways through seven games. He leads the league in scrambling yards as a quarterback. He is having that kind of season and against a banged up Washington defense. Jory, I think this continues on Monday night and I don’t know that this game is close. Yeah, I think that you could say what is Mahomes going to do against banged up Washington defense who by the way lost their best pass rusher and Dorren Armstrong uh last week for the season. And you can also say, what is the Commander offense gonna do without its quarterback and not one, not two, but three, as I said the other day, receivers. I mean, three receivers out is really hard to to come back from. And the Chiefs are allowing just 17.7 points per game, third fewest, the fifth fewest yards. The Commanders don’t have an offense, especially with Marcus Mariota that’s going to be able to overcome that. Will Marcus Mariota make some plays with his legs? Sure. But I don’t think that they’ve got the complement of weapons to realistically compete with the Chiefs defense. that actually has been consistent and an issue even before their offense figured it out this season. Yeah, I think last week was the first time we kind of thought of watching these Chiefs teams last few years. Some of the games you just say, how is the defense ever going to stop that offense and the Raiders game, they really didn’t. But just watching that uh game, it just seemed like they could do whatever they wanted. And certainly with Rasheed Rice back, it’s a completely different offense. But they just seem much more focused now because I think they don’t have that margin for error, right? If they want to obviously make the playoffs, they still have a fight to win the division. They have a lot of important games left and the number one seed is potentially available. And remember before the season, we thought this was going to be maybe a three or four team race with the Bengals in there with Joe Burrow, the Ravens with Lamar Jackson. They’re not. they might make the playoffs theoretically. They’re not getting the number one seed. So, it’s all of a sudden wide open. And even though the Chiefs have stumbled and had injuries with Xavier Worthy early on and other players, they now are very much in the thick of it. Uh even losing some games like you wouldn’t think they’d lose to Jacksonville and Mahomes throwing a 99 yard uh interception pick six. They’ve still overcome that and they’re right there. They are the Super Bowl favorites. Patrick Mahomes is the favorite to win MVP. like we’re kind of where we thought we would be maybe in week seven. It was just been a weird road to get there. In terms of this game from a betting perspective, it’s all about the line movement, right? This game sports folks put out lines back in May when the schedule’s released. This was Chiefs minus three and a half. So that’s again assuming both healthy teams expectations Jaden Daniels in there. It was Chiefs minus 5 and a half on kind of the look ahead lines. That was when we thought Jaden Daniels was healthy. It reopened on Sunday, Chiefs minus 11 12 and now we’re up to Chiefs – 12 1/2 and the public is still on the Chiefs obviously seeing what happened last week where I think they were about 11 1/2 point favorite against the Raiders and obviously covered that with ease. So double digit favorites this season 7-0 uh 7-0 straight up. They’ve not lost a game but only four and three against the spread. So teams that have been favored by that much have won every single game. So comfortable in your moneyline parlays but haven’t necessarily covered. I think this is another one as you guys pointed out where the Chiefs on national television Patrick Mahomes getting a little revenge for people preseason talking about who’s the best quarterback in the league. Is it Josh Allen? Is it someone else? I think this is a game they probably run away with as well. I think that they run away with it, but I will say I don’t think it’s going to be like 310 level like the Raiders. I do think that the Commanders have more to offer than that Raiders team and I think that they’ve had different pieces throughout the season and so it’ll be interesting. I’ll also be curious to see what Cliff Kingsbury draws up and obviously Cliff Kingsbury and Patrick Mahomes worked back to or worked together back in the day. I know they’re not directly competing against each other, but both in terms of the type of creativity that Cliff will show against the Chiefs defense and perhaps anything he can do to help uh his defensive staff colleagues, I think will be interesting to see and and make this a little bit more interesting because sometimes again those Thursday games, those Monday games, you just never know what’s going to happen. So, I’m not saying I think the Commanders will win, but in terms of keeping it interesting, it wouldn’t surprise me just like we saw with the Bears and Commanders on Monday Night Football a few weeks ago. Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, in retrospect when I was like in the WhatsApp last night throwing around, hey guys, what do you what do you think of this game and that game and this game and I mentioned Carolina Buffalo now now that I really dive deeper into the Monday night game. We should have done Carolina Buffalo. It’s it’s Mahomes. It’s Monday night. Like I don’t regret it. But I think Carolina Buffalo is really interesting. Buffalo can’t stop the run. Carolina’s got to run the football. Carolina moving up in weight class. Buffalo coming off a buy. The Bills have won 10 consecutive games coming off a buy. That’s a real number. 10 and like their last 10 off a buy. So, just file that one away as well. That’s one of the seven early games. I I still think the Bills win, but Carolina’s feisty. Feisty. Well, since we’re just getting in things that we wish we talked about, I also would like to note that I meant to say that the Cowboys have not beat the Denver Broncos the last seven times. And the last time the Cowboys beat the Broncos was in 1995. I was one year. Okay. While you’re on the topic of that, I’m not trying to one up you. I’m not that Oh, yeah. I got one, too. But it it goes back to the Monday night game here. Check this out. Kansas City is 10-1 all time against Washington, whatever the franchise has been called. 10-1. And the only win only win for Washington was 1983 when Joe Thyman was quarterback. Now, these are not two teams that play all the time. Obviously, they’ve only played 11 times, but right, Joe Thyman, that that was the last quarterback to wear a Washington uniform. And they played at RFK before this dump. It was the old dump. Anyway, I I don’t I thought I thought Jory was going to reveal the bar where everyone was talking about passer rating, but I guess that was a different different Let’s all hang there. Can’t can’t tell you. Guys, tune back in for future episodes of inside coverage to hear. Yes. Yes. Coming up next, what was said at the at at the bar at the uh at the fall meeting in New York. Uh, Jory has tales from the fall meeting, actually real football stuff, specifically about the tush push and officiating and maybe even AI. This show is not powered by AI, but maybe it should be. It’s inside coverage. Stick around on Inside Coverage. We always remind you that this is the how and the why of everything you need to know in the National Football League. Hi, I’m Andrew Ben Fox, our betting analyst, is here and Jory Epstein, uh, our senior NFL reporter, is here. And Jory is back from the fall meeting with the how and the why with a million things going on. So, let’s empty the notebook on specifically because I know Ben cares so much about this, the tush push here, Jory. It’s it’s the one thing that that certainly moves the needle. They voted last year when we were all down in Florida and they fell just short to ban it by by two votes if memory serves. Do we think there’s going to be another vote on this? I absolutely think there’s going to be another vote. I’ve talked to multiple people in the league who view it as trending that way and Cowboys team owner and general manager Jerry Jones told me that he does believe there will probably be a vote, not just sometime, but this spring in particular, he said that there’s probably just too much criticism to avoid that. And I think to me what was the most interesting takeaway from this league meeting is not just, oh, people still have questions about the tush push. We knew the tush push was not particularly popular. 22 of 32 teams voted this past May to ban the play and particularly to ban the pushing and pulling of the ball carrier. The question was could you get to that 24 out of 32 2/3 majority that you needed to ban it? And the reason I think the answer is now going to be yes in 2026 is because the league and really the Green Bay Packers who officially presented the proposal this past year had a bit of mixed messaging going on. It was well, you know, it’s a health and safety concern because even though we haven’t seen many serious injuries yet, if there were a serious injury, here’s the impact it could have on the neck and you know, it’s not a football play and there’s the lacrosse element and there’s the officiating element. But it was kind of a mixed message and particularly the health and safety stake that they tried to kind of plant their head on. They they really did not have a strong argument that was compelling enough teams. Now, totally different messaging. The messaging is this is too difficult to officiate fairly in real time and because of that we need to consider whether it’s in the game. So you had Troy Vincent their executive vice president telling us this is difficult to officiate in real time. I had multiple NFC executives and again I had an executive who told me he goes the league got what it deserved when it tried to make this about health and safety. If they had just said we can’t officiate the play the play would not be in the game anymore. So I think that you can say that’s sorry for the Eagles that they figure out how to do something. And there are also many people around the league who think that Jaylen Herz will still be great at a quarterback sneak whether or not he’s got someone pushing him because have you seen how much that guy can squat? I think we have. It’s not only the offensive lineman that’s going on here. But I think to me it was pretty striking that they are coalesing around a specific narrative. That narrative is officiating can’t do it. We know how much the teams are always frustrated about the lack of consistent and fair officiating in their perspectives. And I think that is going to get us over the hill of 24 out of 32 banning it. Yeah. Yeah. And again, you need the the threequarters vote. So you need, as Jory said, 24 out of 32, 75% to get it done. They were 22 out of 32 last time down in Florida. So Ben, the the line for the Eagles, and I’m not trying to suggest here, let’s just let me let me preface this. I’m not saying the Eagles just won a championship only because of the tush push. That is not the case. All right? So Eagles fans, don’t come at me. But Ben, what’s the line this week? Giants and Eagles. I think it’s a it’s a great question and one I actually look forward to asking some oddsmakers as we just discussed it. I think it would be hard to believe it wouldn’t be at least half a point lower. So, it’s going to move. So, you would say, so here’s the question. If if the tush push were banned tomorrow, would that line be different? I think so. And that’s because you have a I think there’s a couple things on this, right? one. This isn’t no no shade towards them. The Carolina Panthers doing this in a 8-9 season, right? This play helped determine what team won the Super Bowl and potentially could this season. So, that’s also why it’s in the crosshairs, number one. Number two, I think it’s because of that officiating and teams are frustrated with that and they can’t also do it as well as the Eagles can. And I think the Eagles are frustrated because they feel like people are giving too much credit towards the tush push and not the rest of their team, which is really good and also why they’re winning games. But ultimately, you have essentially an unstoppable play on third down and two, let’s say fourth down and one. We saw a couple weeks ago the Eagles ran this four straight plays right around the goal line. The Vikings last week had a second and one and turned into I forget what it turned into. It wasn’t a first down. There was no tush push. So, if other teams were able to utilize this as well, it’s just such an important play for the Eagles, such a unique play. I do think they would still be one of the elite teams in the NFL. But there’s no question you’d have to downgrade them some because of if this play wasn’t available to them on third and one, fourth and one, or if there was, let’s say, some limit instituted, you can only use it x amount of times per game. Yeah. And on that note of whether the line would change, I think it’s worth noting that Steven Jones, who’s on the competition committee, did tell me we will not be looking at this during the season. This would be something we reexamine in the spring. But the competition committee is going to be interesting here because last year the Packers introduced it and it was President Mark Murphy who was on his way out. He has since retired and there was a not so quiet rumor around the league or a lot of speculation that Roger Goodell wanted this play out of the game. Everyone knew he wanted out of the game. He didn’t think it would be compelling if he introduced it or had the league introduce it. So, hey Packers, can you do this? Mark Murphy does him a favor on his way out. Well, you can’t have Mark Murphy do that anymore because he no longer represents the Green Bay Packers. But the competition committee does feel this way. Steven Jones was against banning the play. Shawn McVey did not think that the play necessarily could be officiated correctly. I mean, the members of the competition committee had enough support that the committee did recommend banning it even though they didn’t propose it. And so I do think that we can have an there there will be someone to endorse this bill. Jory, we only have only a couple of minutes here remaining. Let’s say three minutes remaining. I I found it interesting. I think a lot of people did when Troy Vincent again EVP, former defensive player, like a great corner. So I mean he he’s got onfield knowledge here clearly. He said that with flags up this year like 10 12 13% that the league may have to step back and and say like what is our tolerance for the number of flags and really I think more narrowly for for certain penalties whether it’s illegal contact or holding or this or that. What you make of those comments? I want you to know that Troy Vincent was not asked a question about this. At the end of the press conference that he was a part of. Brian McCarthy, the league’s PR guy, said, “Troy has one more thing he wants to say.” And he’s like, “I just want you guys to know, we spent a lot of time on this today. We had a conversation about penalty tolerance because I told the clubs and we told them, you need to be considering what is your tolerance for, as you mentioned, holding illegal contact, legal formation, some of these different penalties because everyone’s saying it’s too many penalties. It’s also too little penalties.” The the reality is all of this stuff is subjective to a degree and there are penalties on every single play in football. Nobody wants to call penalties on every single play in football. And so I think given all of the criticism and frustration the league wants teams to say, “Hey, here are top three priorities of things we really don’t want you to miss. And here are things that you know what, if you miss taunting, we’re not so concerned about it.” Because teams are right now scouting and telling their players, “Hey, this officiating crew is going to be harder on taunting. Make sure you don’t do it.” Like that is something that we think about when or teams think about when they are preparing for games. Yeah, absolutely. And I don’t remember which crew had our game in London, but I I thought there was a our game. I’m sorry. I I do Browns games on Sunday, so let me let me rephrase my phrasing there. That’s redundant. The game that was played at Tottenham week five in London, but that that crew did not call an a blatant taunting on a bigname player. We’re like, well, that was taunting last week. And you know, along those lines, teams, like you said, Jory, do scout what Crews do this week for the Patriots and the Browns. Browns and the Patriots. You go road team first here, Andrew. It’s Alex Moore who is in his first year as a as an official as as a lead referee. He’s been an umpire for about three, four years. His crew right now is calling the most penalties in the NFL, and it’s not really close. So, something to keep an eye on, something that I guarantee you both teams are fully aware of ahead of that one. Again, one of your seven exciting games coming up week eight at 100 p.m. Eastern time. All right, Jory, Ben, that was fun. Have a great weekend. Both of you have a great weekend in Pittsburgh. Ben, are you going to be on the couch? What are you doing? I’ll be here watching all the games. Bam. Sometimes I I look forward to a buy next week where I too will be on the couch or maybe I’ll go to Ram Saints first world problems or as my grandmother used to say busman’s holiday. What the heck does that mean? I don’t know. But my grandmother used to say it, meaning on your day off actually going to work. There’s a bug in front of me. All right, so for Jory and Ben and Andrew, I’m Andrew and then the bug. Thanks for listening to and watching Inside Covered. So long, everybody. Wow. Wow. Wow.