“DELUDED!” Simon Jordan SLAMS Tyson Fury for claiming he WON against Alexander Usyk!

Simon Jordan, Spencer Oliver are joined by Paul Smith and Frazer Clarke to discuss the future of Heavyweight Boxing.

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Spencer, I wanted to talk to you about last week we were talking uh and I put the question to Spencer about the state of the heavyweight division in terms of what’s going on in terms of who’s fighting whom. We seem to have a lot of questions about who’s doing what with whom and when. We’ve got we don’t know what’s happening with Usyk albeit he’s turned around and said he’s going to fight until he’s 41 now apparently. We don’t know what’s happening with Tyson Fury. We don’t know what’s happening with AJ. We don’t know where we are with Daniel Dubois. We don’t know who Cabel’s fighting. We don’t know who’s fighting Moses Atona. We don’t know who Derek Jazora’s opponent is. Uh we don’t know what’s happening with Lawrence. We don’t know where Judy Jang is. Um, we don’t know where Deontay Wilder is and we haven’t heard much of Martin So, it feels like I’ve just listed the whole heavyweight division. We know what’s happening with you because you should have been fighting Jamie TKV and that will come around. But, do you do you get the impression that the heavyweight division seems to be despite the fact I’m listing all these great names that we would want to be seen fighting, all of a sudden looks like it’s a bit all over the place. Well, at one point it’s flying and we we can’t get enough of it, can we? you know, every every other week there’s there’s a huge heavyweight fight going on and I imagine it’ll come back around again. Um, like I keep seeing AI Cabel, I’ve heard rumors he’s going to be he’s going to be fighting. AJ and Fury, I’ve sort of took them out the conversation for a minute because obviously they are who they are, but they’re not been in competitive fights. I think AJ’s just over a year. Fury is might be that that long as well. So, I’ve sort of put the rest of them into a bunch. And the honest answer is everyone everyone’s just wanting to know what Usyk is doing. He I think he’s the main part of the wheel. You know, once once everyone gets to grips with what he’s doing, they will try and make their next move. But you’ve been waiting for too long. Hopefully, this kickstarts it though because Waldley and Joseph Park are in great positions obviously for that shot against Alexander Rousi. No one knows what he’s doing at the moment. We don’t know when they’re going to come knocking on the door, aren’t they? Yeah. What I’m saying is so let’s hope that these fights because I’m I’m hearing a lot of fights are being rumored about being made and possibly a couple of them before Christmas, but negotiations obviously take a little bit of time. It can’t just be though that Usyk is the stumbling block. I mean, do you think there’s a change in direction in the Saudis mentality and Turkey? Because I I think there’s some money coming out the room. I think they’re pulling back a little bit. I think that Frank and Eddie, certainly Frank has constantly said, “Why are you paying that?” And it was a great period of time. The fighters got paid and I always want the fighters to walk out of the room with the most money. Right. But do you think that there is a change a sea change in what’s going on or are you in the same camp as potentially these boys that Usyk the moment Usyk flicks the light switch all the other dominoes fall into place? Yeah, a bit of both. I think I think there is definitely been a little bit of a a tighten of the pair things. Let’s say and obviously that I don’t think that model would have been sustainable for for forever. You know, it’s not just all of a sudden every show is going to be a Riad season show or a ring magazine show and there’s there’s buckets full of money and bags of money. You know, I think ultimately it is gonna it is going to tighten up. How does that affect the mind though, Paul? The minute Usyk is ready to fight, he’ll be ready to fight. And I I we we played a little video in here a while ago of him dancing and people saying he’s meant to be injured. A couple of people got the backs up over it. I felt no problem with it whatsoever. He’s earned the right to be injured if he’s injured. Even if he’s got a niggle, a short little twinge summit, he’s got a right to have all the rest he wants because of the fight he’s just had to and the work he’s done to unify the division. But the only thing you want there are manity challenges sitting waiting and I do get that. But the flip side of that argument is is that but you know he is a man of great integrity and we all said in the same conversation if anyone’s earned the right to hap perhaps have some latitude it’s him. But by the same token he was the first person to acknowledge the opportunity that actually Joshua gave him. So really and truly he should be perhaps making signposting it very clear to people this is when I’m going to do things this is what I’m going to do everyone knows he said he would and he did to to Duba let’s say and he has said that he will do that and I hope he does stick to that because I want to see the belts being fall for do you do you think I mean I make the point that some of the money is coming out of the room how challenging do you think that’s going to be for the landscape Paul because if you’ve created inflation in a box’s mind and and that all of a sudden they can see there’s money to be made by fighting with the Saudis on certain cards and all of a sudden the Saudis get some commercial thinking and go right we’ve done our seed capital now we’ve created our our spectacle we’re now the kings of boxing but we actually want to make it a little bit more commercially sensible so we’re going to start pulling some of the money out how difficult is that going to be for fighters to readjust to inflation’s gone up here it’s going to come back down again and you’re going to have to see shows wiping their mouths washing their faces in the same way they had to do previously difficult difficult but it’s also in the case that when Spencer was fighting there wasn’t as much money as in when I was fighting when I was fighting the certain as much money as it is now and it’s like you always see the old footballers talking oh in my day there wasn’t like we’re probably like that in the old fighters but it’s going to come back to that where as well there was a lot of money in at that time when the when the Saudis first got involved and the influx of money came in to make these shows as you say to plant the seeds and now that’s how it is but fighters I’ve been there I’ve been there so I’ve I’ve had the opportunity to box on the side show it didn’t go as planned uh and now obviously considerable. I’m getting paid a lot less than I was for that. So, have you pressed it into your thinking? So, into my thinking it is the the goal is to be successful to get back to to being on them shows. Now, you’re telling me that the money in them shows isn’t what it was then. That’s not really a problem because it’s still probably more than what what we’re getting. You know, I think on the flip side like obviously boxing has grown as a sport with, you know, with the involvement of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Australia, getting these fights back together, it’s it’s re-engaged a lot of lot of fans and I think so therefore the shows are becoming bigger. Weren’t originally Alexander Rousi and Daniel Dubois, wasn’t that originally not a Riad season show when they put that show together? I remember I remember saying what I’m saying is these big shows at big stadiums can be made without them and obviously the fighters had agreed terms and whatnot. But they don’t always have to have riad season behind it to get Saudi money out of it, does it? Yeah. You know, in an ideal world, why do you think why do you think Usyk hasn’t hung up his gloves? I mean, he seems to he’s beaten everybody now. He’s beaten everybody. So, what is the necessity for him to continue fighting in your view? Is it because he thinks there’s another big fight out there, another big payday with the Saudis? I mean, it doesn’t strike me that his primary motion invasion is money. He wants to get paid what he’s worth, right? Like we all do. But why do you think he’s not packed in? I think at the very top going out. I think again he’s a fighter. He’s competed at top level for a lot of years now, whether that be Olympic games or as a professional. And I suppose it’s not easy to just it’s your identity, you know, like when you’ve been doing it that long. I bet it’s not easy to make that decision. Say I’m very clear. I mean, he’s talked about I’m going to stay till I’m 41, but I tell you what I’m not doing. I’m not fighting Moses Tama. Yeah. Because Moses Tama doesn’t like to bash up grandpas is is apparently his terminology. He knows what he’s not doing, what he’s what what what he will do. He’s just curious to see. Look, let’s have a listen to to Frank Warren talking about the potential of Usyk or Fury, a whole raft of things. He’s the one who’s getting punched in the head. He’s the one who has to decide who he wants to fight. And that’s the bottom line of it. You know, he’s 30, what’s he now, Tyson? 36, 37 years of age. He want to do what he wants to do, you know, and and either of those fights, the public will buy them and watch them. Why wouldn’t they watch them? They’re both great fights. and and and obviously the Joshua fight has a bigger story. But for Tyson in his head, he feels he can win. He can he can beat Usyk. Whether he can or not, we’ll see if it if it happens. And these are all ifs. I don’t want to bully a good man who’s obviously got the flu. But um Frank, here’s the thing. If you don’t manage to make Fury AJ, will that go down as one of your big career failures? Yeah, I’ I’d like to see the fight. Yeah, of course I’d like to see the fight. I’d like to see it happen. Um, and you know, it’s uh I’d like to see it happen for the purely for the reason I believe that Tyson has the has the beating of AJ. Boys, where are we at as a collective on Usyk Fury 3? Does anyone particularly have a hankering for that? I haven’t got a problem with it because I think the first two were great fights. They were, you know, they were close enough to warrant a third fight. You know, when we see trilogies, you know, it certainly warrants that and that’s probably where Fury’s motivation comes from, wanting to reverse that. And that’s why he talked about wanting to box Usyk over AJ. But oh yeah, I haven’t got a problem with it because I think the first two were great. Yes, the right man won. Of course he did. But I don’t think they were close personally. And I’m not kicking Fury obviously. I think he’s unbelievable for boxing. He has been always he he’s a legend in British boxing now. But I I think that the I don’t I don’t really have an appetite for it. But I’m I’m a bit of a hypocrite because I have an appetite to see Fury AJ. I would still probably buy Good. You haven’t seen it, have you? I’ve never seen it. So I’d still rather see. I would still like to see even this stage. What is the point in everyone else trying to be a contender? Joseph, Joseph Parker, AJ Caval, Fabio Wardley, they’re going to be locked out. Yeah. What what they must hear these conversations and think, well, what is the point? Because isn’t that But isn’t that up to the Isn’t that up to the sanctioning bodies to pull rank on whatever? Well, they’re not going to they won’t they fury comes calling. They get the 3% on that. But I think that W the WBO will if they don’t if Jo let’s say Joseph Parker comes through and he’s got his opportunity and everyone’s been waiting for that one. You go that’s a good fight Parker versus Usyk is like but Parker would probably be the next best heavyweight up there. A great fight. If Usyk decided not to fight him that WBO title would would vacate and I think then we would get opportunity for other fighters. Well, it’s great. That would be great for everyone else. I’m talking there’s people in the divisions that aspire to be world champions. Yeah. No, they they need to see that movement at the top to keep to keep that hunger because if that if you take that away, remember the time comes, everyone’s going to be gone eventually. You know what I mean? But that’s why the sanctioning bodies have got to be made to be kept honest, haven’t they? It’s all well and good that they like to get their 3% and and Usyk can pay for 3% for all of them. But the fact of the matter is is that you’ve got mandatories. You’ve got to do it and they should be made to do it. Did you like the first two fights? Did you Did you enjoy the Usyk Fury fights? Yeah, I think I think they’re really I think they were very good. I think the the buildups were great and I think the first one I was there live and I thought it was a great contest. I thought I thought it it swayed and it flowed and there was times where I thought Tyson’s going to do this and then I thought then after that I was convinced that Usyk is the best heavyweight of the of the generation because of the way he turned things around. The second fight I think again it was I think it was a competitive fight but I think for me there was still only one clear winner. Yeah. Even I know we had the there’s been a lot of argument about that to be honest. But if you watch it back there’s no if you if you’ve scored a boxing fight before there’s no doubt in my mind that that won the fight. So So we are effectively saying that Tyson Fury uh suggesting he won that fight or one of those fights he’s deluded. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Me too. Right. Well, we’ll see. We’ll see. I mean I’m I’m in the camp of I want to see good fights. Can anyone make a case for Can you make a case for Fury Usyk free economically? Yeah, I would say would you no economically because first and foremost the question abounds where does this fight get put on because they’re only going to step into the ring certainly Fury and certainly Joshua if they’re getting paid and paid properly which means the question is can you have these fights in the UK which is the disappointing flip side of this because there’s really only one if if we’re talk if I’m pivoting off Fury versus Usyk and pivoting into Fury versus Joshua there’s only one place that really should be is it should be in London but you know if you put it in London how are you going to get it funded to the that Fury and Joshua will anticipate that they going to get paid for this fight. If they want to see North 50 million quid, it has to be in Saudi, which is a tragedy to some in a football ground in Old Trafford or something. I’d say in May or June or something you think stick it in Wembley, get 100,000 people. What are you going to get? You’re going to get 10 12 million in gate receipts. Where’s the other 88 million coming from? Another question for you. So, we let’s let’s say we do get the fight AJ versus Fury and it does happen in the summer. Do you think they would fight without a world title tag on it? Or do you think that one of those titles if they fragment would go, “Well, we’re boycott even though you’re the inim champion, we’re going to allow these guys to box it because that seems to happen with the governing bodies as well.” And I can see that happening. Yeah. So can I. So can I. But I think that the thing about this fight is that the it’s about the scale of the fight. It’s the fact no one’s seen it. It’s got rarity. It’s got the reputation of two arguably the most bankable heavyweights. Well, not arguably factually the most bankable heavyweights in the last 10 years. Usyk all day best fighter, but he doesn’t bank like Fury and Joshua. And so that brings the Saudis to the conversation. The interesting thing for me would be, can we do what we did with Daniel Dwis versus Anthony Joshua at someone like Wembley with some Saudi money behind it to make it happen in the UK. That’s what should happen to some extent if we then everybody gets all their boxes ticked, don’t they? And just one more thing on the on the Fury Usyk 3, the only one saving grace for me is, you know, with it being Tyson Fury, I do now and then wonder what if, you know, just because he’s turned so many things around, obviously remember the time when he was going to retire from boxing. Now, if anyone could possibly turn it around, just judging on what he’s done before in the past, maybe it could be him. But that that’s that’s that’s the but the difficulty with that equation and I think Paul would probably agree with me on this is that it’s one thing turning it around against somebody like Deontay Wilder who can whack but can’t really box but when you’re fighting against an absolute supreme fighter like Usyk it’s not turnaroundable is it Paul’s quality and there’s no real signs of of him aging just yet and I feel that there are signs in Fury there are signs in AJ and again I mean this with full respect to both of them they’ve had unbelievable careers, but every career and father time catches up with us all. Every career starts to come to an end. And I felt Wilder was showing that against Fury. I felt Fury has shown that. I felt AJ showing that. And we’re yet to see a a lot of it from Musk yet. Maybe a little touch in the last fight, but I still think he’s he’s relatively old and he’s still relatively young in his mind and body. We will see.