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In this episode, Natalie Sawyer (UK) chats with former Ryder Cup winner as both a player and vice-captain Nicolas Colsaerts (Belgium) about his career and his role in the legendary Miracle of Medinah in 2012! They also discuss the upcoming Ryder Cup at Bethpage Black 👀
They discuss:
The honour of playing in the Ryder Cup: Colsaerts describes it as the biggest honour a golfer can have, a feeling nurtured by watching legends like Seve Ballesteros, Nick Faldo, and Ian Woosnam. His first experience with the event was the “war on the shore” at Kiawah in 1991, which was an “electrifying” introduction.
Getting the call-up: Colsaerts talks about the moment he was selected as a captain’s pick by Jose Maria Olazabal. He had a good feeling about it after playing well and winning the Volvo World Match Play in 2012. He describes the meeting with Olazabal as a scene “like the Godfather”.
The rookie experience: As the first Belgian to play in the Ryder Cup, Colsaerts felt welcomed by the team. He credits his ease of blending in to his amateur days where he spent time with golfers from the British Isles.
Team vs. Individual Sport: Colsaerts explains that he was comfortable in a team environment because he played a lot of team sports like field hockey when he was young. He likes that it is not just about the individual, but about putting others in the best position to serve the purpose.
The Miracle of Medinah: Colsaerts reflects on the 2012 Ryder Cup where Team Europe came back from a 10-6 deficit going into the final day. He describes the mood in the team camp on Saturday night as changing from anger to a glimmer of hope after key matches went their way.
His performance with Lee Westwood: Colsaerts discusses his four-ball match with Lee Westwood, where Westwood said it was “basically the Nicholas Colsaerts show”. Colsaerts is proud that he was able to make such an impact as a rookie and contribute a point for his idol.
Predictions for 2025: Colsaerts is confident Team Europe can emulate his winning side of 2012 and win on away soil!
00:00 – Intro: Welcome to Sporting Planet
01:15 – Why the Ryder Cup is so special
06:30 – A Call from Olazabal: Getting the Pick
09:12 – A Rookie in the Team Room
11:47 – Team vs. Individual: The Mindset of a Golfer
13:30 – The Miracle of Medinah: Saturday Night
17:48 – The Westwood Four-Ball
24:50 – The Ryder Cup’s Unique Rhythm
27:50 – On Longevity in Golf
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The RDER Cup is just around the corner with team Europe looking to defend the title that they won just two years ago in Rome. But this time they’re playing on American soil with Team USA hosting at Beth Paige Black in New York in what is sure to be a very hostile and challenging atmosphere I’m sure for the visitors. one person who knows what it’s like to be a part of team Europe, but also part of a cauldron of an away RDER Cup team um and played in one of the most remarkable of circumstances back in 2012, the miracle of Madina. Very pleased to say joining us is Nicholas Koulsart. Uh Nicholas, thank you so much for joining the Sporting Planet. How are you? How you doing? I’m good. Um thanks for having me. Um, as most people know, it’s it’s never really a problem for me to talk about Radikov, uh, like most people that have been part of it over the years. So, uh, no, no, I’m I’m really happy to to answer whatever question you have. Well, first things first then, let’s give us a sense of the honor it was for you to play in the Ryder Cup. Uh, it’s well, it’s the biggest honor you can you can you can feel, you can have. Um um I think most of us that grew up watching the radicup in the ‘9s with the likes of Sevi, Faldo, Wisdom, Langanger, Aloabo, you know, grew up in in a in a very fortunate era where there was this friction, there was this rivalry with the US. Uh actually matter of fact, the first radicup I ever saw on television was 1991 in Kiwa, which was the war on the shore. So the the first introduction that I got to the RDUP was rather uh an an electrifying one. Um and and it nurtured this love and this attraction that I’ve had from this competition since day one. Yeah. Um so let’s go back to when you got the call from Jose Maria Olafo that you were one of his picks for for 2012. Um what was that like? What was that conversation like that you had with him as well? Did you have a sense that you were going to be one of his picks? Uh well, I’ll be lying to say that I didn’t have a good feeling about it. Um I haven’t played so well. Um uh the the majority of 2011 and mostly 2012. Um I haven’t won the Volvo World Match Play in 2012. Uh beating basically the the who’s who of uh of who was up in the world rankings in 2012. Um and there wasn’t really anyone else around me. Yeah, I think I was like first or second out of the point that was really making a statement in the last couple of weeks. Um and the call came at Glen Eagles. Glenn Eagles was the last qualifying event. Um and I was called to uh to go and meet Olabo in um in one of the rooms that they had um accommodated for him um for uh to watch the golf in the US. And I walked into the room and he was a scene like the Godfather. He was sitting in this big Chesterfield couch and and uh and basically told me that I was going to be part of it. So, you know, being a childhood a childhood dream of mine, it was, you know, a scene and a moment I will never forget. Well, the only rookie in the European team, of course, is Raasmus Hoygard. And I appreciate it’s a very different captain in Luke Donald, but when you were part of team Europe heading to the United States, how did they welcome you? I mean, how did they get across to you what it might be like to play in the US? Uh, well, from a team’s point of view, I think I was welcomed with open arms. Uh, I I’ve always had a great relationship with everyone. Um, you know, for us Continentals, um, you know, there there’s a little bit of code to crack when it comes to uh to people from the British Isles. Uh, and having traveled when in my amateur days playing the amateur circuit, I I kind of always hung around the Brits or, you know, the Scots and the English and I always knew, you know, the the the different differences between, you know, all of you lots. Um, so it was it’s always been quite easy for me to to blend in. Um, and as as a rookie, you you’re basically just trying to find, you know, who you want to be and who you want to act. and and and I had um a great relationship with you know Poulter and Westwood and and all those baronss. Um so uh my introduction into the team was quite smooth. Let’s not also forget that I was playing extremely well and um they made me extreme they made me feel they made me feel very comfortable to like they said to the captain listen we’d like to play with Nicholas. Um, so as as a rookie from Belgium, the first from Belgium to play in the RA Cup, that’s something quite flattering actually. I mean, there’s one thing though where you’re saying you’re playing well, so you kind of expected that you were going to get the call up anyway. But this is a team event. How different is that in terms of your own sort of thinking going into a tournament like this, a competition like this, because it is very different. You’re not only playing for yourself, you’re playing for Europe. So, how different is that in terms of your own mindset going into it? Well, it is very different u in general because we play an individual sport and we usually just have to worry about what we do. Uh in my case, it was pretty much piece of cake because I played a lot of team sport when I was young. I played a lot of field hockey and and and uh and even you know the helpful part of playing amateur stuff whether you’re playing national team or or or you playing you know penants and and and inter clubs uh in when I was young was was always something that I was attracted to. I always did well with others. I always uh like the company of others. I’ve always liked the fact that it’s not not just about you is it’s about putting the others in the best possible position to serve the purpose. Um and I think for that reason it was extremely easy for me to to go into a week like that uh and and and and feel comfortable because like you said um some guys that don’t have this team spirit or or or team sport uh fiber can be can be it can be challenging for some. Yeah. For those that aren’t aware, I’m sure many do know what happened in 2012 and that miracle of Madina. Europe went into the final day that the Sunday singles 106 down and it was quite a feat for them to not only retain the trophy but actually go on and win it as well. 14 12 to 13 was the final score in the end. Um what was the mood in the camp Nicholas after that second day when it when you saw that team Europe were 106 down? How were you all thinking that you could fight back? Was that a realist realistic thought that was going through the dressing room? Well, the the mood had changed from the first day to the second. Uh the first day um um I mean although I I I made quite an exceptional first game, I was basically at the back of the class when with a big smile on my face while the others were getting a bollocking. But but the the the the second night the second night was very different. the second night, you know, we all sabal really made a strong speech and you could tell that he was really really angry at the way the things were going after the first day and and with the way that two matches closed out on Saturday evening in Luke and Sergio um winning at the end and also Pter and Maroy. I mean everybody remembers pters but there was two key games at at the end that made or that put us in a situation where we were still within striking distance. There was going to be a big task at hand but at the same time the mood that changed everybody realized like hang on a minute we’re again probably beaten up for the majority of or at least half of the competition all the way to lunchtime or or late in the afternoon on Saturday. But all of a sudden there was hope. there was that little glimmer of hope that um that uh that made us realize that um it was still achievable. Yeah, I remember watching a documentary where many of your sort of teammates were talking about that Saturday session, that afternoon session, how it felt like it had turned even though score line didn’t suggest that just that momentum might have shifted a little bit because of those two matches like you mentioned that you that team Europe won. What I also loved was Lee Westwood speaking about your first fourball match together where he spoke about it was basically the Nicholas Kouls show and that he just went out with you. It wasn’t really it was all about you really. I mean that that’s a real compliment though that he gave you, wasn’t it? Yeah. Um listen, we we don’t see you know Westy that often anymore. But um listen, I mean you have this kid from Belgium that plays in his first Rder Cup. is the first from his country to play in a RA Cup. And to pull such an incredible uh performance was beyond my wildest dream. And to then have the um the uh the stamp of approval from guys that you’ve idolized, that you’ve looked up to, uh that you have then in this case played alongside them and and basically tell the whole world that that wouldn’t have happened if this little guy from Belgium wouldn’t have, you know, produced an unbelievable performance. Wouldn’t have happened. Is is Yeah. Yeah, I mean it’s um you know every time I think of Westwood I think of the the the the day that we play together and I’m quite proud that he’s got one radical point on his resume that’s basically mine. I love that. Um so let’s fast forward like I was saying about Sunday then. I think you went out sixth from team Europe. Are you checking the scores at that point or are you just simply aware of everything that’s going on because of the buzz, the atmosphere and everything? Well, it’s it’s difficult. It’s difficult to do because you I if the message that they tell you is listen, you just worry about your points. That’s the only thing that you need to worry about. But you can’t help but look at the board and especially when the things were unfolding. I mean, I I I think that I kind of the wheels came off in my match, you know, because I ended up losing to Dustin Johnson when I realized that I was the first one in the lineup to possibly lose my game. And I think that’s where I I I got thrown off by it and and and within the stretch of two or three holes at the end, it was game over and lost my game and and and and felt such a a feeling of defeat of letting everyone down. It was well probably one of the lowest point of uh of of my career and and and my life, not knowing what was going to happen an hour after that, of course. But but um but but yeah, it’s it’s difficult not to keep an eye on what’s happening, especially the situation that we were in, knowing that we needed to come back from behind pretty drastically and and to see the things slowly taking shape was uh was was quite incredible. Oh, it certainly was. Um just to watch it as I was as a viewer, it was absolutely incredible and will live long in the memory for so many Ryder Cup fans. So, what were the celebrations like then? Come on, tell us the truth, Nicholas. pretty bad. I mean, you take this the way you want to. Um, I’ve I’ve said this before in interviews. From the moment the last butt is hold until you either pass out or you are dragged into the plane to fly back to London Monday morning, you have a drink in your hand. So, it’s it’s it’s pretty much full gas. Uh, but then, you know, you have to understand that it’s there is so much pressure. there is so much anticipation of this competition. Uh there is you’re under so much uh pressure during the week that once uh the the curtain falls or the the show’s over and even more so with the way that it happened at the end the the the adrenaline I couldn’t sleep for three or four days like I mean I think I slept two or three hours for four days and and I just woke up in in the middle of the night like that and just couldn’t get back to sleep. It was it was um it was it was quite sensational. There’s a picture of me circling around in this uh in this Jackson 5 wig u somewhere that must have been taken really late into the team room uh hotel where we were staying. Absolutely not. How do you want me to remember? I mean like it was still the day, you know, about 10 years ago, you know, we weren’t so careful about phones and stuff like that. Now I think um there there’s there’s stricter rules at the Rotica party where stickers have to go on phones. It’s probably a good thing. Yeah, I’d say so too. What were what were the US players like then? Because obviously going into that final day, there would have been optimism that they could get the job done, I think. Well, they needed only five points from from the the singles matches to to win back the trophy. But what were they like once Europe had secured it? Um well, there was a little bit of everything. Um you know, the the the biggest example was Keegan Bradley. Keegan Bradley was next to me in line when we were walking onto the stage for the closing ceremony. And I’ve never seen somebody so white. Um I I he looked like he was going to puke every 3 seconds. You could tell that that he it hit him really really hard. Um probably the hardest of of all. I remember the face of Jason Duffner was was pretty was was pretty bad to see. Um, and then when it comes to the party, you have the ones that come over and and and still party with us, which is uh which is which is hat off to them. Um, even Rome last time, I mean, one of the first guys in in in our team room celebrating is, you know, Brooks Kupka. Um, you know, he’s he’s he’s the first one to walk in there and he’s the first one to to have a good time. He’s never the last one to to have a good time either. But but but but yeah, end of the day, you know, Madina is probably not the best example because it it I think for the majority of them, it really came as a shock. So it but so so the the party mood wasn’t really quite there. But in general, you know, things are things are in good spirits um on on Sunday night, even if you win or lose. So in terms of winning away, it always seems very difficult for the visiting team to to accomplish it. Obviously, you did it in 2012, but it doesn’t happen as often. Why is it so difficult for a visiting RDER Cup team to win away? Well, I think it has become more difficult over the last 10 years or so because um you know, the receiving team or the receiving captain has the luxury of setting up the course the way he wants to. Um so, in general lines, when you go to the US, there’s usually no rough. The the Greens are running at 13 on the stamp, which is basically what they play week in week out on the PGA Tour. uh where when we play in Europe um we tend to have the fairways bit narrower, the rough a little bit higher um and the greens not any quicker than 10 and a half on the stimp because that’s what we grew up playing on. Um so I think that’s one of the that’s probably the first reason. The second reason is the is is the 13th man. Um, whatever you play in Europe or or in the US, uh, two different types of 13th Men, uh, uh, um, you know, the wherever you go in the US, it’s always a lot louder. It’s a lot more direct. It’s a lot more um, you know, fan confrontation. The the American fans have no problem telling you from up close how they feel and what they think about you or whatever you’re doing. Um, in Europe, it’s maybe a bit more subtle. Um, you know, I um, the scenes were incredible in Rome. I remember walking down the 16th fairway on on the left hand side. Um, you know, it was just like this sea of people and incredibly enough so many amazing things happened on that 16th screen and it was the the the the signature hole of of the Marco Simmon Golf Course. Um, so it it depends venues. Um, but but Rome was absolutely incredible. Um, the only thing I hope is that it’s not going to get out of hand. I think a lot have been said about the New York crowd, but at the same time, you know, the New York crowd is a is is a let’s say more um they like their entertainment. They they go to sport events maybe a bit more differently than they go in in the rest of the US. Uh and I’m pretty sure that, you know, Luke and the boys have a have a plan in place to to try to deal with with that environment the best way they can possibly can. You you mentioned obviously being involved in Rome. You’re one of Luke Donald’s vice captains for the last Ryder Cup and this time around he’s pretty much gone with the same team that that won it as I say in Italy. Apart from the Hoygard twins where Raznes has replaced his brother Nikolai. What do you make of the fact he’s quite an unchanged side? Does that consistency perhaps show just how good these European players are? Um yeah. Um I mean we’ve got there’s been this change of guard and Barons now. We’ve got our Rory, John Ram, Terrell Hatton, Tommy Flewoods. uh you know newcomers uh like Ludvig Gabberg uh you know Shane Lowry is quite vocal he’s a little bit like the heartbeat of the locker room uh Robert McIntyre has has developed into an incredible golfer an incredible season on the PGA tour uh but yeah the the the the funny fact is that you know you got one twin replacing the other um you know we we’ve had the Minar before and then we’ve stepped up to our game and we’re taking twins on board um which is quite incredible uh but I think Yeah, I think it shows that our European stalwarts are extremely good at what they do. They they you know, look at Tommy Fleetwood winning the FedEx after all this talk about him never being able to get over the line on the PGA tour. I mean, it’s so we we’re getting into this Ryder Cup with with I believe great momentum. Um and in terms of the vice captain, I want to ask you about that, what it entails because again, many people listening to this might not be quite aware of exactly what a vice captain does when it comes to the rider cup. just give us a kind of idea of that role. Oh, well, it it starts months and months ahead of of the actual week where uh you know, you’re on the ground and you uh you you play with potentials that could make the team, you know, people that um you know, the captain Luke is looking at you try to establish a relationship with him. Um depending on different personalities, I would have been more attracted to certain type and Edward Marinari more to others. you know, he has a tight relationship with V Victor Hovland and Matthew Fitzpatrick. So, he would be more into that sort of click, let’s call it that way. Uh um and then the week of uh you are basically there to relay as many information as as possible to whatever question the captain has. Uh it’s very difficult for the captain on the week to be everywhere. There’s going to be moments and and spots where he will not be able to make um uh which is I think why um you know somebody probably told Keegan that it’s not a good idea to to to play and be a captain at the same time because it’s quite a difficult job to do. Um you there’s so many things you have to do especially as a receiving captain. When you’re receiving captain there’s a lot more things you have to put in place prior to the week. So, it’s a it’s a it’s it’s much more work than people imagine. And I I think that Luke will be very happy to be asked to captain this European side a second time being away because he’s done um all the hard work of captaincy the first time in Rome two years ago. And and now in Europe, the only thing he has to worry about is is is his team and try to put these 12 guys in the best possible place to um to perform. And you mentioned Keegan Bradley, the US captain. Obviously, there was a lot of talk about whether or not he should play. I mean, would that have would you have been scratching your head if he actually had decided to play, not just based on the captain’s role? Well, I know it primarily is based on the captain’s role really because there is, as you say, so much to do, yet he is such an effective player for for team USA. So, you can kind of understand why the discussion was taking place. I guess um I I think there would have been conversations uh about captain about Keegan being a plane captain. Um I it’s just such a difficult thing to do. Uh but then America is known to to like a happy ending story. So I I think that that’s probably the only the only thing that kept the the the hope alive to maybe, you know, play and captain together. Um but um listen, you’ve got these two captains know each other extremely well. You know, you’ve got Luke and Keegan. They’ve known each other a long long time. They live very close by in Florida. Uh and and I think I think there’s going to be a huge amount of respect in Keegan because Luke won last time and we have the cup in our hands and we’re the one trying to um to to make sure that it stays ours. and Keegan, you know, was being not selected last time and being given this captaincy maybe a little bit early in his career. Um, with all this playing captaincy discussion on the table, um, also sends a message to his 12 players that, you know, now I’m just going to be a captain. I think it’s a huge they will have a huge mark of respect for that as in like hang on a minute I’m playing I’m a player on this team and this guy basically could have played it and decided to you know to sit on the bench and and just captain us in the week. I think uh they’re going to look at him with uh and maybe would that give them that that edge? Um, I don’t know, but I I’m 100% sure that the guys would look at Keegan in in a very respectable way. And just uh the the camaraderie, it just seems to just sweep through team Europe. We we see it so often how close they all seem to be and just hearing everyone talk about their experiences. Obviously, win or lose, it still seems to be a wonderful unified camp. And don’t know if it seems less so with with Team USA, but sometimes that just seems to be a few fractures, shall we say. Um, but is that a uniquely European thing then that everyone are everyone is just so close in that team? Uh, I I think there’s we can I think there’s many different reasons for that. Um, you know, we’ve we’ve always been the underdogs in this competition. um you know since um the in inclusion of uh the continent to the team you know historically for the ones that don’t know this used to be you know USA against GBNI uh and then since Europe got involved uh you know we we started to see a reverse trend uh you know before Europe was introduced uh you know the USA were way way way ahead uh and so the continentals came to the rescue and now we are we are clearly ahead into the matchup we are so grateful. We are very grateful. Yeah, you should be. You should but uh but but but no, the fact that we are able to put, you know, people from the United Kingdom and continentals and even within continentals, you have your Spanish that are hotblooded, then you have your Germans that are, you know, clearly different, Scandinavians that are also a different a different type or a different breed. Um then you’ve got Belgians which are half and half. Um, so it I I always find it a fascinating thing to be able to put so many cultures, so many different sense of humors and so many different personalities together in a room and and and and to be able to make it work and understand each other by just a glimpse of an eye. I find that a a fascinating thing. Bottom line is the Ryder Cup is a golf competition, but it’s mostly about uh people’s management. Yeah. Uh, and that’s where you and the vice as a vice captain and the captain have to come together and ensure that you’ve got the most harmonious team you can possibly have, I suppose. But also, they’ve got to be the best of the very best as well. Listen, you come up with a plan. You try to do the best you can to put everyone in the best possible state to perform. And then after that, let’s not forget it’s match play. Like anything can happen. I mean, we saw last time, you know, Victor Hovind and Ludvig Aberg, you know, putting Scotty Sheffer to tears on the 11th screen. Nine and eight, game over. Um, so you you still rely on how your players are performing and you still rely on who you’re playing up against. You know, you can, you know, let’s take my case in Madina. I played against Steve Stricker and and and Tiger Woods with Lee Westwood. I basically played it on my own. I shot I made eight birdies and an Eagle, but I could have also lost the game and it, you know, my performance would have been completely obsolete. So you need a little bit of luck. You need a couple of putts, a couple of putt here and there or chip in on 13 on Friday makes the difference. And and so it’s it’s always incredibly for a competition where there’s so many games in three days, it’s always incredible of how tight it can be. I can well imagine. Have you ever play uh played Beth Page Black? No, I’ve never been to Beth Page Black to to Beth Page Black. All I know is just like these big avenues with a little bit of uh of of of terrain movement. Um I also know that there’s a few spots where there’s a couple of green and and and and tea boxes next to one another which I think is going to make great arenas. I thought saw a picture of of the first T and the 18th green coming right alongside it. Um so yeah, I I think well we’ve all seen US Opens at at Beth Page. I think it’s going to be a great arena for this. Yeah. And I know you sort of might not want to nail your colors to the mast as such, but who who do you think will win this one? Come on, Nicholas. I’ve got to ask you. You knew it was coming. I mean, um to expect any other answer than us. Um I But but yeah, all joking aside, I think we’re I think we have a realistic good chance to go over there and do something that hasn’t been done since Medina. Um, so we did in 2012. Um, a lot of our guys are playing well. Um, like you said, we have 11 of the 12 members from Rome present. Uh, there’s going to be a lot of familiarities along each other. I think we’re going to get into this week extremely comfortable. Um, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that um that we don’t know what we’re up against. It’s it’s still you’re still going to have to play your heart out and and USA on their own soil will will not give it away for free. So, um it’s um it’s it’s it’s an amazing challenge to uh to have it’s an you have an amazing chance at doing something quite incredible and I think we’re looking good. Do you ever sometimes wish we had more Ryder Cups or more similar sort of type events where we’re getting the US against, you know, Europe as such? Yeah, but it wouldn’t be the same. The reason why, you know, this is so special is because it’s every two years. It’s because you go each side of the Atlantic every single time. Uh uh and and it it leaves just enough time for bragging rights and it leaves just enough time for an anticipation of the next one. I I I I think it’s it’s great. Look, why are the Olympics special? Because they’re every four years and and and whoever holds the the gold for the 100 meter final uh is is uh is is the ruler of the world for four years. Like isn’t that cool? Yeah, very much so. Just lastly, how are you? Because I know you’ve had uh some illness issues in the past. So, how are you? Yeah, all is good. Um uh I’m closing out on um on 500 events on the DP World Tour in in a couple of weeks, which is a a massive milestone. Uh um yeah. Um I I’m not as engaged as I once was. Uh but um you know, this this this thing is in my blood. Um when when you’ve been doing this since you’re, you know, 12 years old and it’s the only thing you’ve been thinking about, sometimes you get a bit tired of it. But uh but at the same time, I look back uh on on everything that I’ve been able to do and some of the places that I’ve been in the last 25 years doing this as a as a as as a job is uh is is quite incredible and extremely grateful. Yeah. Well, it’s been an absolute pleasure having you on this sporting client. Thank you, Nicholas. No, no, no problem at all. Need some time.
