2026 Presidents Cup Captains Brandt Snedeker and Geoff Ogilvy join the podcast. With the event headed to Medinah, the captains discuss what makes team golf so compelling, the U.S. team’s dominance, how the International squad continues to come together, and Medinah’s course setup following renovations led by none other than Ogilvy himself.
Before that, the guys react to some (mean) comments from an old friend, talk about getting back into fitness, the renaissance of sports trading cards, and share an update on the Internet Invitational!
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29:45 – Paul Skenes & Livvy Dunne at Pup Punk in Baton Rouge
33:10 – Sports trading cards & memorabilia making a comeback
52:25 – Geoff Shackelford’s (mean) comments on Fore Play
1:00:00 – Internet Invitational update
1:06:55 – Brandt Snedeker & Geoff Ogilvy join the show!
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So, it’s going to be good to go up northeast, you know, that fall foliage, get into the Boston area. I can’t wait for that drive. It’s going to be beautiful. Especially, we just got a bunch of rain. You got think things are going to be popping today and tomorrow. It’s going to be real, real nice. And there really is nothing better than driving through that fall autumn view in a nice American Chevrolet. Gosh, that just feels like America. It does. It really does. The Equinox EV, it’s got, make sure you check this thing out. It’s got the massive 17inch diagonal center screen. It’s the largest of any V EV in its class. I drove all over that Pacific Northwest. Uh because the Equinox EV offers 319 mi of EPA estimated electric range with frontwheel drive. Uh when it comes to EVs, Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make. We used to call him Skellyy Benti. Uh you know the what’s his name? The rigs guy. Yeah, he’s been this fat out of shape terrible golfer uh modeling Adidas’s new that’s Trent or the other the other cross the um the the Yeah. And it [Music] forplay presented by Bar Stool Sports. We got myself, Frankie, and Trent yet again. We got a great interview on this show. Um the two President’s Cup captains for next year 2026 at Madina number three. We’ve got Brandt Snedker from the United States of America, Jeff Olgovie from the international team in a very interesting wrinkle. Jeff Oggovie and his design firm um renovated and redesigned Madina a handful of years ago and that was well before he became the President’s Cup captain. uh sitting down with the two of them together very shortly after the RDER Cup. Bransker was of course one of the vice captains for the RDER Cup. So we talk a lot about sort of inside baseball, some inside stories of being a part of that RDER Cup team, what to expect going into the President’s Cup. Jeff Oggovy’s got I mean they both got uh phenomenal careers, but Jeff Oggovie US Open winner um you know so just a lot of uh lot of good stuff from those two fellas. They were in the Chicago office. It was a very funny dynamic of them being in the Chicago office, me not being in the Chicago office, hearing about what was going on in the Chicago office. I saw they were on like the yak. They were doing kind of the whole tour because Madina and the President’s Cup and Chicago and the whole deal. Yeah, I can’t wait to listen. I was not there for that one, but I did see them buzzing around the Chicago office. It’s always funny to see people in there and what they I mean, I’m sure they talk about in the interview, but what were their overall opinions of the Chicago office? Yeah, I I I said that I pointed out that um you know seeing certain athletes in there is albeit wild because of our small um you know roots at bar school sports. It’s still like you’re seeing athletes sort of in like a fratousy you know play factory type office is like okay it’s fitting seeing like two esteemed golfers in there is very funny to me and a very funny dynamic. And so I did bring that up. Uh they both kind of loved it. I mean Brandt Snedeker, you know, Tennessee guy. I think I told this story uh last year, but you never really uh interacted with Brandt uh at all and then saw him at the hotel bar uh for the RBC Canadian Open last year and he had played poorly. And you know, it is an interesting dynamic with these guys when they’re like on a work trip. They’re at a tour event like that. They’re not with any family. He’s just kind of there alone playing poorly and missed the cut and he’s just kind of sitting at the hotel bar. And then, you know, things got a little wild at the hotel bar. So, he jumped over to this bar across the street. We ended up going over there a little later. It was like me, Colt Nost friend Dan. And we just kind of had some casual beers with Brandt Sneder. And I really liked the cut of his jib. He just he was great, man. He was he was conversational. He was laughing. He was sort of a little bit more in on like what we do, what Barcel does than I would have expected. We were telling stories, going back and forth with Colt and it was just a fantastic time. And so Brandt Sneder, American guy, Tennessee, I could kind of see being in that office a little bit. Jeff Oggovie is, you know, Australian. I I never really talked to him before by all accounts being into the course architecture. We got into how he does stuff with Andy and the fried egg and he’s on there quite a bit breaking down a lot, you know, that has to do with the architectural side of the game. It’s just a different breed and a different world than I would say the bars to Chicago office. But he liked it. He very much said that he liked it. I remember the old New York City office, the old old one that we all worked in where the elevators opened onto the floor. The first famous athlete that I remember walking into that office where I was like, “Wow.” Was Ryan Lochi, if you remember him, who was the right Olympic medalist, like very accomplished swimmer. And that was early on obviously because then you know after a while that those elevators saw pretty much everybody in entertainment come through there. But I remember that vividly being like wow Ryan Lochi is in this office and that just reminded me just having celebrities coming and out. I mean we’re not in that world really anymore because we don’t go to an office. So it was always cool when people would come in and you’re like oh wow there’s so and so there’s Ice Cube. There’s whoever. And I just I that reminded seeing those two in that office reminded me of that world. Yeah. I remember I if I look back at like my Snapchat Snapchat memories like this day four years ago or five years ago, I’ll always send like I was sending random ass athletes or celebrities to my buddies like I mean at one point this isn’t random but it is random for like the Barcel office like Hershel Walker was walking around the office with like a little plate of food and a drink of water and he was looking for a place to sit down like Hershel Walker. I was like what’s going on and I’m just Snapchatting him and like Zah walking around the office. It’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. Um, Jeff Jeff Olgo. How There there there’s got to be only a finite amount of Jeffs that spell it Geo FF, right? Gios. Yeah, Goffs. Not that not a ton of G-offs. Um, what other what other There’s another athlete out there that’s Jeff. Uh, there was a NHL player forever. Jeff um uh Ryan Richen, can we throw up a list of the most famous Goffs? Jeff, I think Jeff Olgo has to be the number one though. Well, there is Jeff Sanders and Jeff Cornull. That’s another one. Couple our old friend Jeff Shackleford. Jeff Shackleford. Yeah, I was um privy to some information that Jeff Shackleford and someone else apparently just [ __ ] on us on their post RDER Cup recap podcast. I did not hear that, but it sounds right to me. Uh yeah, I actually saw him in in the because we were media credentialed for uh the RDER Cup and I was getting lunch or breakfast one of the days and I saw him and I think he saw me but we didn’t we didn’t interact which [ __ ] on us. Yeah. One of the great cowards in golf media. I would say that man. And if people want any proof of that, you I think you can just search wherever you get podcasts on like Jeff Shackleford foreplay because after the battle against Old Man Golf Media, we had him on the show and he just tuck tailed and ran the entire time on everything that we brought up. He started complaining about um the PGA Tours like social media regulations and how we were just like, “Wait, what? No, you take what?” And uh and we just kind of really buried him in that interview. But yeah, I got um one of my favorite things about being notified that Jeff Goff and somebody else were [ __ ] on us on their podcast was that I had gotten zero tweets about it. And usually when something like that occurs back in the day, I feel like we would be notified of it. I get some DMs, I get some tweets, people would have seen it. This was like a very niche person in the golf world who texted me and was like, “Someone texted me that I guess Goff and his buddy were uh blaming us for all the fans.” And oh, not just blaming us, but apparently like took some um shock. I think I think they called us like fat and crossh That’s insane. We got to get to the bottom of this. I mean, it’s not it’s again, it’s not surprising to me that they would make that like that assumption like, well, of course, the bar stool guys are the reason why this horrible thing is happening at the Ryder Cup when I like when we just didn’t do anything. I don’t like, oh, he’s it’s our like fans that are doing I don’t understand like that’s so I think I’m I think we’re probably um blocked by him, right? I can’t search him on any form of I would guess so. I would guess so. Yeah. I got uh um a note I got was that um claims uh bro culture is all at your front door. Um uh references to quote fat, quote crosseyed, quote [ __ ] golfer doesn’t exactly focus their argument on Ryder Cup. That’s just Yeah. So, I gotta tell you that I gotta tell you that feels a little pointed at me if we’re being honest. Yeah, one of those po feels pointed at me as well. And then and this happened on what? This happened on the fried egg. No, no, this was just Jeff. Jeff and some other guy doing a podcast. [ __ ] him. Yeah, that’s what I heard. I again, I haven’t actually listened to it. I don’t I don’t know how many people have, I would imagine. No. And then like I said, it didn’t seem to I I wouldn’t say transcend the game of golf because I didn’t. That’s the only spot I heard about it was someone niche texted me about it and um not a good history for the for the Goffs on this podcast at least. No, maybe this new this new interview will will cleanse the pallet of the Goffs on this. This is a bounce back for the Goffs on the podcast. I would say this is a big bounceback performance and a you know just a lovely voice to listen to with the Australian accent coming from uh Mr. Jeff Oggovy, you know, it’s just very like very soothing. Everything sounds a little bit more intelligent and well thought out as he sort of speaks. And um so yeah, that interview is coming up at the end. If we could find any of this, maybe Ryan Rich could do some Frankie rifling through the internet right now. I’m trying to find I’m also trying to find H just I I thought there was another Jeff that spelled the G off like another athlete. I guess there wasn’t. I’m picturing a Houston Astro with the name Jeff in that way, but I could be wrong. Jeff Jenkins. It looks like he was a Brewer. Shout out to Ryan Richson. I don’t know, man. I can’t really I’m I’m picturing always saying, but maybe it was for Oglev. Maybe it was always for Oggov. It could have been. He comes up pretty quickly on on chat GBT. Also, I hate this. I go I go, “Who are the most famous uh Jeffs ever?” And Chachi BT just goes, “Love that question, Dash. Don’t [ __ ] say that.” You know what I’m saying? That’s like Don’t try to make it interpersonal. Don’t Don’t act like you have a real personality. I know you’re a [ __ ] data center in Texas. You’re not like, “What do you mean?” Love that question. Right. Louis C on that Theo Von podcast was like every time you do any of these things questions or or or chat PT like there is something that’s like making a noise and firing some little speck of smoke up into the air just so you could get that answer. really anytime you do anything once you once you hit your phone to check the time it’s constantly using this energy in this like little storage room somewhere in like Texas or Oregon and he’s like it’s amazing to see the dumb [ __ ] that people do on the internet and waste yeah he was saying um yeah like there’s data centers that are like taking up water he’s like when you scroll you think that it’s nothing you’re just like oh I’m scroll I’m scrolling in bed at 2 a.m. But what it’s actually doing is like it’s at a data center like taking up the water from a town that is like then costing scrolling. I’m clicking. Yeah. Right. Mhm. Yeah. It’s so true. It needs to be it needs to be coming from somewhere. Like it’s just he’s like this is nothing. He’s like this is just this is not actually producing any energy. It’s you know what I mean? It’s got to be coming from somewhere like you doing any action on your phone. Your phone is dead. It’s just like a block, but like everything you’re doing with with within it because you have to connect to internet, you need a SIM card, you need the whole deal, it’s happening somewhere else and it’s causing chaos. I use causing absolute chaos. There’s this little monitor going beep and just shooting out. And think about how many people are doing that all the time. Oh my god. I use chat GBT. I I used it in a way like I want to go back to the gym. I want to get back in shape. And if people have listened to this entire podcast that the walking pad Yeah. I will I will end up using that. Yes. But I want to get back into going to the gym. And again, for people who’ve been listening for a long time on this podcast, like welcome to the 12,000th time that I’ve decided to do this. But and I was like, build me a workout plan. Like I want to use this instead of just like using chat GBT to ask it stupid questions. I want to use it in a way where it can actually help me. So I was like, build out uh a workout plan for me when I go to the gym because I want to do a little bit of lifting. I want to kind of get back into that world and just sort of get into shape. So it it did it gave me I was like I want to lift three days a week and it gave me Monday, Wednesday, Friday gave me all the lifts to do. I went yesterday was [ __ ] horrible. I hated every second of it. I’ll probably never walk through those gym doors again. But for one day, chat GBT gave me a plan and I did it and it worked and I’m sore today. So hard with how much we travel. It’s such a I talk about this with Francis all the time. I tried to get into it and we tried to do this with Brendan. And I was like, “Well, we’re going to go to hotels like crazy. We can go to hotel gyms and stuff.” And then it’s just like you’re so [ __ ] tired. I don’t know how people find the energy to go work out. Like people especially that work on the road as much as we do when you’re in you’re at airports like like the other day when I went to uh LSU and we went to Pop Punk. How would I have ever worked out the day before, the day of or the day after of that? It was like there would have been 3 days. I literally couldn’t have lifted a single thing. We like got there. It was like an hour and a half drive from New Orleans. Once we got there, you had to do a sound check. Then you had to go back. You had to eat something. You haven’t eaten anything since 8:00 a.m. Then the you had to be at the venue at like 7:00. When was I working out then? Then you did the show. The next morning you wake up. You’re like you’re you’re you’re traveling for 6 hours to go back to New York. Come right home. I’m going straight to the gym from that. Like I got three hours of sleep. Like I I can’t even imagine how people do this. When are they walking into those gym doors? What’s happening with these people’s lives? It’s a great point. And the reason that I’m doing this now is because I’m home a little bit for the next few weeks. Like we’re traveling a little bit here and there, but I do have a stretch where I’m home and I want to try to get into a routine. Then maybe I will be once I have something off the ground. Once I’m maybe on the road, then maybe I’ll be a little bit more motivated to just do something. Maybe not do the full thing, but just knock something out. Again, I’ve had this I’m I’ve had this conversation with myself a million times. So, we’ll see if this one sticks. A good conversation. It is nice to get moving. Like Hannah and I, now that we have the baby, we go for long walks and we golf a lot. So, I’m like I’m doing the same thing, but it’s not like when you’re actually focusing on walking and you might do like a mile or so. That’s like a nice feeling, especially after you eat digests everything. You actually feel like a healthy person instead of just I I think like hey like six months ago we used to eat and just go straight on the couch. Oh yeah. And now like we eat and we walk. It’s just such a such a better difference. Walking’s nice. There’s no And you know I know the the sort of the brand and the culture of the show is maybe we don’t highlight walking on the golf course all the time. not the worst idea to get out there and like walk a golf course and how good that is for you and the fact that you’re doing a fun activity and for me I mean this winter I have plans to play hockey like four times a week and it’s just that difference of yeah when you’re when you are going to a gym like you’re just saying Frankie like that part sucks that mental hurdle sucks and like finding something that’s kind of fun that also is a good workout I think is a game changer and I don’t get I’m with you I don’t get how there’s people that are fiends that like live to go to the gym and I just I don’t even mind it when you’re there. It’s not that bad. You’re like working out. It’s pretty it’s good. You feel better as you’re doing it. You’re pushing yourself. Just the whole process of going there [ __ ] sucks. I need like a I need a guy on Long Island that’s like that does the same workout plan for like Tobey Maguire when he became Spider-Man. Like he took like a little scrawny guy and made him into Spider-Man. And like they do those Hollywood like transformations that maybe it’s like six months of just like a crazy workout plan and all of a sudden you’re able to wear like a Spidey suit. I need somebody to like be my guy out here. I can’t go to the gym on my own. I get crazy gym anxiety where I’m looking around. I’ve never been in one like I got to ask someone to like you done with that or like then like you can’t like try a new workout because you’re like you have no idea how to do it and what if you fail. I need a guy that’s like come here. It’s just us and we’re gonna [ __ ] do this and then we’re gonna get it done. And like you have to show up or else like you’re pathetic and like you’ve wasted my day. If I’m wasting somebody’s day, I’ll show up because I don’t want to do that. But like if it’s my own day, I’m never going to do it because of all those reasons I I just stated. Tired, anxiety, like you just don’t want to be a part of that whole world. Being in the gym lifting yesterday, I felt like such an [ __ ] Just sucks. And and what you realize ultimately is nobody cares. Everyone has their own headphones in. They’re doing their own thing. They’re just trying to get their own workout in. But when I was doing my first couple of lifts, I just felt like everybody knew I was a fraud. And they’re like, “Look at this guy. This is definitely his first day in here. He’s we’re all we’re all regulars. And who’s this bald fat guy who thinks he’s now going to turn his life around and get into shape? No chance.” But then once you get 30 minutes into it again, everybody’s in their own tunnels and everybody’s just sort of doing their own thing. But there gym anxiety and I know people know that that it is very a real thing where you’re just like I got to walk over there. There’s people over there. Are they done with this equipment? Can I get on? How sweaty is it? Do I got to how am I using it right? Am I using it right? Do I clean it down properly? Are they looking at me like this guy’s never been? They definitely know I’ve never been here before. I look like I’ve never been before. I’m leaving. I’m just [ __ ] leaving. [ __ ] this. This sucks. Way easier. I got a gym distance from my house. I’ve never been. You have a what? a gym walking distance from my house. I’ve never been down in town. I just take up roller hockey again, you know, get back into roller hockey. I know. And then like I get nervous about getting hurt because like I’m not that good. I’ve told you that before. Like I’m not that good at it. So like when you’re out there, things could happen. Like if it’s not the thing that you’re most comfortable. It’s outside your control for sure. It’s outside your control. But I don’t know. You can Sounds to me like you’re just as likely to get hurt in that gym. You could definitely get hurt in the gym, too. There’s no doubt. I mean, we just I mean, that we think that that might be Tiger Woods’s demise is he just got like now he’s getting a bunch of back surgery. Stop hammering dumbbells. Yeah. Um I mean, I definitely want to get back into the hockey. It’s just like, God, I would hate to freaking snap my wrist and miss, you know, tailor made media day because I was playing at freaking sport time. Yeah. You know, yeah. Might save your life though, you know. Get that cardio. That’s my other thing is I’m I’m just getting old and if I don’t start doing something, this is just kind of it the rest of the way. When you’re in your 20s, you’ve got so much trial and error and and garbage food to eat and cigarettes to smoke and booze to drink where you’re just kind of like, all right, maybe I’ll work out. I’ll do it for a few months, but I’ll give it up. I I’m like I’m a few years away from 40 years old. And at that point, like your body, I think, decides like it’s kind of coming to an end. Not that it’s going to, but your everything kind of slows down. And if you don’t work at it, it’ll get way way worse. And that’s that is part of my motivation as well. Again, I probably won’t go back to that gym, but in case that I do, this will be the point where it turns around and I become a healthier person. I agree. I that’s was 100% the philosophy behind me going and doing all the medical scans and all of that. is just not that I think I’m I’m unhealthy right now and on a horrific trajectory, but it’s like what tweaks do we need to make on this trajectory so that in 20 years we don’t have major issues. That’s sort of like the thinking. And then like Yeah. Yeah. But boy is it hard. It is hard to make changes. And they’re like easy. It’s way easier just to eat pastries, dude. And the doctor’s like, “Well, there’s two ways we can go about this, you know, Mr. Riggs. we can like you can either make lifestyle changes or I can just give you stuff. And I was like, let’s try lifestyle changes. He’s like, I really like that answer. We’re going to do this and this and we’ll see where you’re at in like 6 months. And I just know he’s going to be like, nope, that’s just not working, brother. You know, there’s a lot of people out there now who just take the big O. They just they just put the big O in and then they lose a ton of weight. So, I I don’t I’m gonna I want to at least try to like do it the real way, but yeah, because I don’t know. That’s That’s too much for me. Like sticking something in your ass cheek and it like just [ __ ] you just become thinner. I don’t know. I mean, obviously it works for a lot of people. Works for so many people. Who knows what the hell the side effects of that is, but at that point it’s like if you look hot and and good for a decent amount of your life, is it worth it? Probably. What’s worth looking hot? You know, dude, Hannah and Hannah and I were like, “Oh, let’s let’s eat healthy tonight.” And we’re like, “All right.” And then like the day just got away. This was last night. The day just got away from us. We were doing so much. The baby like we were just hanging out with the baby. We went on it was raining and then we found like a pocket to go outside and go walk. And then by the time we knew it was like 6:00 he had to get a bath and we’re like, “All right, we have like an hour to get food.” So we went down the block this place, Henley’s, like one of our favorite little taverns there. And we sat down and of course like I love all the food there. So I just got a French onion soup. I got buffalo chicken flatbread. And then we got like we shared like truffle fries and I had a beer and we walked out of there. I’m like couldn’t have been less healthy. Couldn’t have been less health. Like it is as unhealthy of a meal as I’ve had in months, weeks, and I’ve had Taco Bell recently and like, you know, I mean, all these things like this this is not working. It’s just not working well for you. Like I me and Rigs, we I have all I have all 24. They’re mine. I I own each single hour of the day. It’s all me. It’s all me. And I still don’t do this [ __ ] When you have a kid, I God bless. I don’t know how you get anything done. I’m re I stand in awe of you and Brendan and Kyle Tims and all of you who have kids that get anything done. Like I really I have a lot of respect for that because I have all of the hours of the day and I don’t do [ __ ] anything. Yeah, it is insane. I mean honestly Hannah does a lot more because we’re always on the road, but like the scheduling is insane. like how many naps he has and when he has to eat there these are these are times that when that alarm rings or like when your mental alarm rings and you’re like oh he needs to do this has to happen he needs to eat then he needs to take a nap at that point so like you have to base your entire day around that there are certain things that you literally just cannot do because he’s doing those things and that’s for majority of the day right like there might be that window from three o’clock till 7 o’clock when he’s just yours to just do whatever you throw them in the car. Let’s go get food. Let’s go to a pumpkin patch. Like that’s a 4-hour window. You know what I mean? Everything every other time we’re either taking naps in the car, in the stroller, at grandma’s house, at our house, there’s there’s something going on. Yeah. So, yeah, it is. It’s a lot. And he’s not even mobile yet. 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And I know all of the data so far and all the videos and everything, all the evidence thus far would say no, but you got to think at some point with all of the rounds that we play, with all the stuff that we do on video, at some point one of us has to get it in the hole in one swing. It has to happen. Yeah, at some point it’s got to happen. I mean, I just hold out for Eagle at Shikok. I talked about a couple weeks ago, 128, hit the middle of the green, falls in the hole. It was that same sensation I’ve been yearning for of like watching a ball go in the air, hit the green, and then just disappear. So, like if I could see that go in, I could see another one go in. I know for a fact we can get one. It’s just like you go on Reddit, you go on the golf, you go on the golf uh Reddit, and just this week there was a four-year-old that just hit a 3-wood on to a green and it goes in the hole. Like four years old, hole in one. It’s just not fair at that point. It’s like winning the lottery. I mean, it’s it’s luck. You have to put a good swing on it, but there is a ton of luck that goes into just hitting the pin and it falling into the hole. It is a small little target, man. And it’s a small ball going a long way. So, I mean, yeah, I hope that we can get one. I think we’ll get one, but I could totally see a scenario where we live our whole lives without getting one. I think we might. I think I mean, what are we going to be 50 years old doing YouTube golf videos trying to get a hole in one? It’s just like I don’t know, man. I don’t know. It’s already been like eight, nine years and we got nothing. So, uh I did see FP talking about his and he was like, “At least this whole one I got was a great shot.” which is kind of like to Frankie’s point, you hear about plenty of them that sometimes somebody blades one, catch one thin, whatever, and it just rolls right up the pin and goes in. Point is, I really hope we get one. 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You see this guy and the guy that owns it and you like can’t believe he owns this whole entire place. He’s like a surfer bro, but he’s afraid of the ocean. And it’s like he’s got just like stringy blonde hair that goes over his eyes and he’s wearing legitimately ripped t-shirts. He’s hanging up flags for us in this like green room. He’s the nicest person of all time. Mark and Betsy are the two owners. And it’s just like they’re the nicest people ever, but they own this outrageous land that just houses 5,000 people on a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, uh, and Sunday all weekend long. Um, so we had our show there and it was packed. Absolutely packed to the gills. Great show. Um, Livby Dunn was there. Uh, Paul Ske was there. We met them before the show. No [ __ ] Yeah, it was awesome. They were super nice. They stayed for the entire show. We talked to them after also. We couldn’t believe it. Like they came for like our set. We went on 11:15 at night and they showed up at like 11. We literally like met them right before and then went on stage and then when we got off we’re like, “You think those super famous people probably gone, right?” And they were still there waiting for us. Not like waiting for us, but like in the back like just like we were just talking to them. Paul Ske has crazy aura as does Livby Dunn. But like Paul Ske, you look at him and you’re like, “God, that guy just throws a hundred on the [ __ ] paint.” On the paint. Just on the black constantly. Guy lives on the corners. So many Sai Youngs. It’s Right. Those types just aren’t I feel like they’re not around as much. Just like a [ __ ] flame guy who can just do it on the mound. It’s the best. Yeah. It’s like he’s got that like he doesn’t have the same personality yet. I feel like he hasn’t unlocked it. He’s kind of like a not like a lights are on but nobody’s home but like he’s just got one of those personalities where she’s like what’s up? Oh yeah you guys do that golf thing and it’s like everything’s kind of like super just quiet and like you just know maybe he’s housing a lot of energy to throw 101 on the black but like he’s just like housing a lot of energy inside and then like cuz I want to compare him to a Josh Allen but Josh Allen has like a little bit more of a personality now. It’s almost like looks like Josh Allen. It’s almost like pre um draft like Josh Allen. Like when we did the pizza interview with Josh Allen, he was a little bit more reserved. He came with his family, you know what I mean? Like there was just like a different like Josh Allen was like a little bit more of like a reserved guy, but they kind of look the same. They have the same aura, if that makes any sense. I agree. I I can I can see Paul SK taking over MLB like Josh Allen’s taking over the NFL. This is all bad timing because Josh Allen just lost a horrific game last night uh when we were watching Monday Night Football. picture, you know, big picture. 30,000 ft. You got to look at it that way. Um, yeah. It’s almost like a pre- major winning Brooks Kepka. Remember, he didn’t say a word. Yeah. Same type of guy. Same type of guy. Yep. That’s it. You see him and you’re like, that guy’s gonna he’s already something, but he might be one of the greats. For sure. That Paul Ske card, you guys see the news around that Paul Ske like that trading card? No. Ryan Rich, you might have to pull this stuff up. Paul Ske, like there was a oneofone card. Cards are going crazy right now. If you talk to like a 12-year-old, 13-year-old, like my cousins and my wife’s cousins are obsessed with trading cards now. They do these polls. They go to these antique uh sports card stores and they all have Tik Toks and they all have the angle where they and they do this thing where they only show like the rims of the card and they just slide. Have you ever seen these? Has this come across like your TikTok and so they’re going through them and it’ll be like you know and they’ll get they’ll pass all these cards whatever like a 1999 card or like whatever a bench player and they’re just firing through and then they know when they get to their like the big card out of their pack and they slowly start to show the edges and what color and what holograms might be on there and then they flip them up and they go nuts. They’re like a this is worth $500. There’s a Paul Skins one that went for like Dude, they were like, “Whoever finds this, we’re going to give you like x amount of dollars.” And I forget what it ended up going for. I think this thing [ __ ] went for like three or four million. This kid got it. Oh yeah, dude. 1.1 million. What was it? 1.1 million. 1.1 million. Okay. But what the pirates had offered this kid was like, “We’ll give you se if you get whoever gets this card, you’re going to get like season tickets behind home plate for like the rest of your life. You’re going to get like all this autograph stuff from Paul Skins. You’re going to get to meet like Libby Dunn in like a in a in a suite. You’re going to go to dinner with Paul Skies. All these things.” And the kid legitimately said like, “Go [ __ ] yourself. I’m selling this thing.” It was the offer was insane. And he’s not a Pittsburgh Pirates fan, so he didn’t care about it. But it just goes to show like how valuable they held this card. It was a one of one. It got crazy hype. Someone found it like it was freaking Willy Wonka’s gold uh you know golden ticket. Yeah, cards are making a comeback. says it. They offered 30 years of season tickets, a meet and greet with skins, two signed jerseys, a number of private suites at PNC Park, spring training tours, experiences, or sorry, and uh yeah, to meet Libby Dunn, and then also they would get to appear on the late night show with Seth Meyers. That was the whole VIP experience. 30 years of season tickets is insane. Well, there’s the debate that’s like, could you turn that into more than a million dollars? But I That’s what I was just thinking. if you sell it because if you’re not a Pirates fan, you don’t live in Pittsburgh, like that wouldn’t matter. But if you Yeah. If you’re if you’re flipping those tickets every year for 30 years, that’s just an every year income that you have. Yeah. But I mean, this kid got freaking 1.1 million. It’s a It’s crazy what cards have turned into right now. And I kind of get it. Like I went I went to one of these stores and I walked in and there’s all these different boxes. Like there’s all these different um So it’s it’s like the more expensive a box you buy, it’s almost like getting like a scratch off or something. Like the more expensive box you buy, the more chance you have at a certain card where they have like guarantee poles in them or guarantee like one of hundreds in each box. So like it there is like this crazy hype when you buy one. Like you feel this like this energy when you get this box. Like I gave it to Hannah’s cousin and like we watched him open it up and it was exciting. He didn’t get anything of note in there. But each card he pulled out you’re like waiting for a colorful one that like might be worth a couple thousand dollars. It’s legitimately scratchoffs for children. But it is fun. I remember I mean I loved sports cards growing up, but then I remember the heyday of Pokemon cards. Yeah. And that was the same thing where you would buy a pack and you’re just like here we go. Hopefully there’s a Charizard in here. Hopefully there’s a whatever in there. And there is like a real excitement to it. I did not anticipate it ever coming back. Like physical media, anything that you can hold kind of went away because the digital age took over. But it seems like people have like a a desire to to have cards and to trade them and to sell them. And that was always the problem with NFTTS where it was, yeah, you own this thing, but I don’t I can’t physically hold it, so what does it actually mean? So now that there’s actually people who are like, no, I want a Paul Ske card. I want a whoever card. That’s really like Spider. Every time I see Spider at a Barcel, he’s talking to me about uh trading cards, and I’m just like, holy [ __ ] And every there’s a bunch of people in the Chicago office who are super into cards and like pulling and ripping packs and doing the whole thing. It’s definitely making a huge comeback. Big Cat pulled a Crazy Jordan once. Didn’t he make uh Brandon Walker eat it or something? Oh, it was worth like 20 or 30 grand, I think. Jesus Christ. People are ripping packs again. I make it makes me want to do it. Like I get I have a store right here in like Icelip that like it’s the coolest store. I walked in and it’s like a bunch of, you know, nerdy sport fans. They’re like 30 years old and they own this store and they’ve got these crazy long like glass um um like shelving units of just a million packs of cards and they tell you like all right this one’s like 20% of getting it and this one’s like 60% of chance of getting it and the 60% chance one’s like a thousand bucks. They’re making so much money like like people are going in and buying these packs. It’s crazy how much money. Were there ever golf uh trading cards? I don’t think so, dude. Got to be some Tiger Woods stuff from the Tiger Mania in like the late 90s or something. They should bring back golf trading cards and you have like their major statistics on the back. Imagine that like you pulled like a Tommy Fleetwood RDER Cup like hologram card. You’d be going [ __ ] nuts. get it signed. And then there’s other cards that like have a little piece of their um their their uniform on there. So, it’s like there’s like a it’s like authentic card and it’s got a little circle. So, you could get like a piece of Tommy Fleetwood. Oh my god. Jack Nicholas PJ Tour card. Ryan Richton just pulled up a Google image search of were there ever golf trading cards and there’s Jack Nicholas. There’s Tiger Woods. I would absolutely Oh, Live Golf has the new ones. The Panini. That’s the new ones. What’s Panini? It’s like a brand. All right, so Liv Golf’s getting in on it. That’s a smart move by them. Lunch sandwich. Wow. I would Yeah, it’s a sandwich. I would love a Tiger Woods trading card. Like an upper deck Tiger Woods card. Yeah, that was a 2024 Upper Deck. Dude, we need How much is that one going for? Let’s buy it, dude. Dude, I looked quickly. This 2001 Upper Deck Tiger Woods card is $99. Damn, dude. Get it. I’ll buy it. We might be able to get that signed, too. You know what I mean? Like, yep. Now, we’re gonna be But I don’t want to become the adult standing outside the stadium. You like, we’re going to use baby Frankie to like get autographs from people. I don’t want to do that. Did you see that Jet fan meeting um Sauce Gardener? It went viral. It’s like a dad. They were in London for the game and the dad was like sus who like we’ve actually done a video with and he was super nice, awesome dude. So he’s like out there taking photos of people, taking selfies and the dad just lost his [ __ ] mind. He was like crying and the sun was like not that I mean he was excited but it was crazy. Yeah. Like in my group chat someone’s like, “Chill out, dude.” Like chill out, man. I was never an autograph guy. I always wanted to take a picture with somebody like if I met them. I never the autograph cool definitely cool but like it never moved the needle for me as much as like let’s take a picture as a guy that likes to like decorate places I could see I’m into like getting cool stuff signed like I have I’m on a mission this this fall and winter to get like JJ Spawn to sign all the stuff from the US Open. There you go. Yeah. No, I I definitely get that. I mean the signature is cool. Well, I I went through a crazy period where at the coliseum in the coliseum days when I was getting like insane access because I was friends with the um equipment manager. Um he would this I was like 13 14 years old. He would get me into the locker room after every single game. There would be this waiting area in between the opposing locker room and the Islanders locker room and like friends and family would stand out there. There’s not much room at the Coliseum. It’s old school arena, but every player would walk by. So, like I was in this crazy mode of getting like all these autographs of just like random ass hockey players, like third and fourth liners of like the Washington Capitals or whatever. And then whenever like the biggest player would walk by, I’d jump in and I would go for the photo, which I it it was it didn’t make any, you know, you’re not going to make any money off of it. But I still have all these photos of me with like Oie and Corey Perry and Ryan Get and Sydney Crosby and of Genny Malcin. It’s like the list went on and on. It was every night whoever was in town, I was getting a photo with them. It was the coolest thing ever. And now I say I was 13. It started to le it started to leak into like 17, 18 years old. For sure. This was 3 weeks ago. No, it was like 18, 19 years old. Also, an underrated part of we talked earlier about how like getting older is you just get fat and you become immobile and like your life gets worse. But an underrated part of getting older is when you have a little bit of disposable income and you can go buy cool [ __ ] that you would have liked when you were a kid. Especially sports memorabilia stuff. You go on eBay, you go on all these weird little sites and you try to find cool [ __ ] to decorate an office to put in whichever room in the house. Like that shit’s really fun. Yeah, man. It is a lot of fun. Mantiquing. That’s what uh Brandon Walker does. He’ll just go there and he’ll just buy all the stuff he wanted to buy in like the 90s, you know? Oh, it’s so fun. Did you guys ever play the card game Showdown, the baseball game? No. Oh, no. Damn. It’s not really worth talking through it through it. Damn. people listening to it that probably have played. It was a great card game that like you would build out your team. It was almost like a video game for card games. So like you would go out and buy showdown packets or packs and then like you would pull them and like you’d get a Derek Jeter Allstar card and like you’d play this game with dice and like a field and like if you rolled you know when Derek Jeter was up if you rolled a certain dice number he would on the card it would tell you if you roll a four it’s a double or a triple and like the better card that you had it was always like a home run or like you know a triple or a double or like if you had a pitcher if you if you I rolled a four and you rolled anything higher it was strikeout. So, you played this showdown game and you got to build out your team and it was so much fun like getting one of those hologram cards and like showing up to your buddy’s house and you all had showdown cards and like you had just the better team cuz like you just like acquired way better cards and you would just dominate everyone because you all you have to do is roll like a two or higher to get a base hit. It was it was a lot of fun. It got me going like I want to do all that with Frankie. I want like physical games like that where it’s not just like of of course we’re going to play video games together because I love that too, but like I want to do that stuff that I that I grew up with. I think that’s all making a comeback. I think people are like more into that than ever. Ryan Rich’s a big baseball guy. Did you ever play Showdown? He may have been too young for I don’t know how old Ryan Richy Richen might be 42. I don’t know. I’m uh I’m 28. Turned 28 like three months ago. No, I’ve never played Showdown. It sounds familiar once you described it. I it sounded like something that I had I’d never done, but I had heard about it. I was big on like the 2K one. The 2K one where you would you could go back and redo all the old like moments like try and come back with 3 0 against the Y or the Yankees and the Socks like all that. That was that was my big thing when I was little. I’m doing that right now with NHL 26. I’m ripping all these like hockey al so in video games now they’ve got that same it if you if you have that itch of of cards they’ve got this hockey ultimate team or like or football whatever the NFL ultimate team where like you you basically acquire cards and like those are your players that you play with online so like you have packs and this is how they’re making all their extra money is like they’re building out these ultimate teams my nephew’s obsessed with he’s obsessed with crazy I could see a kid getting frustrated that he just has a bad team and then like it goes to purchase points and like you know a pack a really good pack that guarantees you 85 overall player or more is like four 40 bucks cash. So like I could totally see a kid sitting there just mashing like the $100 point, you know, uh pack and just like running their parents’ freaking card rampid and like building out. Now you got like Mario Lemieux and Sid, you know? I mean, because in this game you can get all legends, too. So, you can get like Wayne Gretzky skating around there with like no helmet on and [ __ ] It’s like holy [ __ ] Like, that’s unbelievable. It cost you like 200 bucks to get that though. Real money. Like, real cash. Like, I’m doing that right now. Like at night, I’ll go down. I’ll build my my hockey ultimate team. And I’m just to get the points you got to play these old moments. So, you got to get like five goals with [ __ ] you know, Yarm Yagger in like the third period and then you can unlock them and it’s impossible. You just keep redoing the third period and like it’s nuts. You’re sitting there like screaming at like I’m not You can’t go to the gym, dude. You got no time to go to the gym. You’re trying to score at 2 a.m. Yeah, I guess the [ __ ] gym. I got to score a bunch of goals with the Army. I’m only scoring three goals a period with number 68 out here. God damn it. I think I’m going to buy this Tiger Woods card. You should, dude. 99 bucks. 99 bucks. Also, uh Beef, our guy Beef, uh gave me a PCA card, a Pico Armstrong card a few months ago. I don’t know if it’s worth anything. It probably isn’t. But I was like, “Oh, I love Pico Armstrong.” And he was like, “I gota I ripped a pack the other day and I have his card. I’ll bring it to you because he’s the nicest guy ever.” Dude, you got to throw that [ __ ] in a sleeve. Sleeve it. They say he sleeved it for me. And I have it, man. I think we should get into this, man. Let’s This is a fun hobby. It really is. Did you guys get Would you guys get when Tiger won the Masters the Time magazine of him on the cover? We used to get Yeah. Well, we got that in the office. Yeah. Somebody sent some a bunch of those and I’ve like still got mine and that’s another one that when we go to one of these events that I want to get Tiger to sign. Is it time or is it Sports Illustrated? Oh, it’s Sports Illustrated. Sports Illustrated. Yeah, that I have that somewhere. Um it’s a great one. It’s one of the great That’s a cool ass item. That is a cool ass item. Yeah. I might I imagine I just we dive all the way back into cards and sports memorabilia. It’s a fun world. I just you got to know what are you trying to accomplish out of it? Just get cool cards. Are you trying to like make money off of it? You know, like people that go deep into it are trying to get the value and like they’re going like this is like the gambling thing. I’m never going to be able to do that. I got a blind spot. I’m not going to be sitting there trying to grind over like an extra 500. I just, you know, I would rather I don’t know. There’s other things. It’s fun to find somebody like we have a couple of like our cousins in our life that do it. So, like I like to be around them when they’re doing it. At least I get a little bit of that excitement. Like they’ll get the card, they’ll sell it for 50 bucks or whatever, but at least I I was there. 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Is it like is there like a minimum um minimum like listener count and juice the podcast has to have to break the threshold of this you know the water and the main frame breaking down. I saw on Twitter because there’s all this first class talk at Barcel Sports now. You saw this. We’ve been getting tagged in this quite a bit. Yeah. And uh Francis Francis was uh has is is about to do son of a boy dad today and it’s like the most hyped episode ever because he’s going to go after Lil Sass for ruining his first class uh privileges. But someone had written that like they out of 500 episodes they’ve talked about an airport like 295 episodes and then like Delta was referenced 325 times and it was like via and then it was this website that just transcribes like all podcast you can type in certain words and like yeah so it was I got to go back and look at it but that that that’s an interesting one with the with the first class. Uh, I know we know how much Francis loves that. I mean, he loves luxury and then also just like getting on planes and getting off them first. You know, the best way to do things he’s real obsessed with big time. So, we’ll see what the fallout on all that is. I found the part that you were talking about earlier with the uh All right, let’s play it. Yeah, let’s hear it. Let’s play this thing. I’m reading the transcript. Here we go. And that’s the part that just blows my mind. And here you have a perfect example of of why it’s not great in golf and needs to be uh tempered and they just u I mean the PGA is really fumbling this one. Well, yeah. Well, come on. But I I noticed again that Adidas has just signed a deal with Barto with the Bartow golf and you know the this the we used to call him Skellyy Benty. Uh you know the what’s his name? The Rigs guy. Uh he’s been this fat out of shape terrible golfer uh modeling Adidas’s new that’s Trent or the other the other cross the Yeah. And Peter Malar is a bar stool brand. Oh god. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was just immediately. TJ Maxx after [ __ ] man. That really that really got me. He’s like, “Oh, no, no, that’s not that. That’s that’s Trent. That that fat piece of [ __ ] is that other guy.” Jesus. Oh, man. That I I’ll give it to him. That [ __ ] that got me, man. Who the [ __ ] is that Irish guy? That’s going to get me to the gym today. Who the [ __ ] the other guy? The the Mckeler Golf Podcast. I don’t know who Mckeler is. Christmas. Ah, that was awesome. That was awesome. Awesome. That’s unbelievable. Mhm. Just two dinosaurs talking. Oh, the worst, dude. Just two dinosaurs eating leaves and just [ __ ] yapping. That’s also like the hypocrisy that they’re complaining about. We’re the reason that fans are saying vile things to the players. They’re just sitting there saying more vile things about us than we’ve ever said about anything. Right. We when we attack when we attack Jeff Jeff Shagward and we could go this might not be true but to me right now it is. We’re attacking the idea of him attacking us being like you there’s no place for what you guys do the way that you do at the perspective of the fan etc etc. I I don’t I don’t remember attacking his appearance that often or calling him fat or crosseyed but I don’t think we did. I don’t think we did. Yeah. You know that was that was quite a clip from that show. Yeah. I mean you can’t have it both ways right? I mean, just like uh you know who was saying that on Colts podcast where it’s like oh Azinger Azinger is like Rory can’t be going after the fans if he’s then screaming like [ __ ] you everyone. You can’t be going after foreplay for for you know being this you know disgusting you know mouthed podcast that’s walking around riing up the crowd when you’re legitimately shredding Trent’s life. They’re like who’s that fat lazy [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] Oh that’s Trent. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Are you [ __ ] kidding me? Jeff Shackleford? Who let that guy out of his home? Oh man. God, dude. Don’t alarms go off when he opens up the windows or the doors? Like, you got to think that he is on watch every time that he leaves his house because they’re like, Jeff, you’re not allowed unsupervised walking. You know that. We’ll take you to the garden, but you need to be with Mary. Mary needs to take you there. Hold your hand. Yes. They take themselves so seriously. It’s It’s Adam. It makes me crazy. He’s basically like dead at this. I mean, it’s over. Like his his career is over and it’s like which is fine. Like I mean you have a career. It goes up, it goes down. He’s on the back side of it. So he’s just like taking shots on his way down. I like how they call it stoolification, too. That was funny to me. And they talked about it for a long time. Like I started listening to it and it took me like more than a couple minutes to find that specific part. So they were they were deep into ranting on you guys. The stoolification quote unquote is the reason why he’s like able to talk on a podcast and like think that anyone would be able to listen to it. Like cuz like obviously we didn’t invent that but that’s like our form of media is like going on a podcast getting it out social media wise as opposed to his like written form or jeffshackleford.com to read the written word. like we kind of brought this world into into the golf space and like now he’s like on podcast which is so hypocritical like [ __ ] on us for that’s unbelievable. The stoolification is why anyone would even hear his voice anymore. Oh, good stuff. Um great work finding that Ryan Richen. That is way to way to dig through that and find that. Yeah. And I, you know, again, the hypocrisy of all of it is very funny of like Trent said, we sit here and like talk about the game of golf as best we can. There’s an interview here. We’ve got two great guests on it and we give our opinions. But man, to go like that and just in a vile manner attack me and basically and then uh somehow try to make a point that we’re the reason that fans said X, Y, or Z is pretty insane. So um so yeah, I’m glad we found that clip. That got a great laugh out of me. We sue. I want to sue. No, we don’t need to sue. No, I want to sue him. I want to be on the other side of a court with Jeff Shackleford. All right, we uh we’re recording this, by the way, before the Kirk match on Wednesday, so we don’t know the result of the Kirk match. Um we’re obviously going to try to, you know, or put out a YouTube video of the whole thing with however many fans are there and the battle. He’s getting four and a half strokes, but there’s also going to be dozens, hundreds, thousands, I have no idea amount of minans out there. So, I imagine if you want to find the result of how everything went down, you’re going to be able to find that pretty easily. Um, but you know, uh, we’ll talk about that, you know, next week and once that whole video comes out. Uh, reminder to, uh, have checked out yesterday, the Dallas Stars scramble video as hockey is kind of off and running, NHL season off and running. Um, and then the uh the kind of the last thing I got on here is um Internet Invitational. So, you’re going to start seeing things. We’ve had some meetings on Internet Invitational and the rolling out of the Internet Invitational. We saw a teaser. I know Brenda Jones and his whole team have been absolutely grinding on it with uh with the Jet is like flying in, I think, to consult on some of it. Dave’s really getting in the mix on what’s the release schedule going to be look like uh look like creating um you know social handles and trying to figure out how to roll out all of the the packaged uh content social style clips all of it uh and that’s going to be coming out pretty damn soon. So, I know people, it’s the number one question that we probably get run into people. A lot of folks, you know, forgotten about. We filmed all that stuff in August. Um, it’s an amazing amount of matches. There’s 48 people that we dwindled down to a very small team of people having a chance to win um a million dollars. And that just takes a lot of uh audio tracks, a lot of different video cameras and angles and matches and drama and somehow packaging it all together with a storyline and having it all make sense. They’ve been working on that bad boy for months while also having the Ryder Cup and all the other videos that we put out. So, uh we’re getting close. I believe this month uh those videos are going to start to roll out and uh yeah, just letting people know about that. Yeah, because once you get one episode out, you got to have the other ones ready to go. So, I think it’s not just like you could edit that first episode pretty quickly after the event is done. Not pretty quickly, but relatively fast. And it’s getting the how however many episodes we’re going to end up having, six, seven, however many however many it ends up being. You got to have them ready to go. And they are long episodes, but like we’re going to release what two a week. You got to have those things in the hopper. So, they’re editing the whole thing at once. It’s almost like doing a movie. It’s like you got to do beginning to end, get it done, and then we can really release the [ __ ] out of it. It’s going to be hitting people pretty hard, pretty quickly over a couple week span. You’re going to get from the first round, the first ball in the air to the finals within a couple weeks. That first episode’s going to be a pretty long one. We’re explaining how it all works. We’re explaining all the format in there. So, just, you know, stay patient with us. We think it’s going to be the best stuff that we’ve ever put out. Um, but we’ve gotten a lot of messages saying like, “When’s this thing coming out?” We’re trying to do it the right way. We want it to all be done. We don’t want any delays. The worst thing in the world would be to build all this momentum up to have all this hype around the next episode and then these guys to be scrambling around and not get it done the right way. Each episode has to be done as if it’s the first one. like it needs to be a banger of an episode with all the best content, the best editing, all the tracers, all the leaderboards, everything that it this is an extremely big and large overhaul and overtaking for the editing side. So, Brennan Jones hasn’t slept in [ __ ] months. Um yeah, like I think the Jets flying in to just like see if they can cut it down a little bit because these things are like movie length uh um you know, long videos. So, we’ll see. I mean, we’re going to start seeing the first episode uh hopefully this week actually on our side to just get a look at it, see how it looks, and then release it pretty damn soon. Pretty damn soon. I know like everyone’s so excited to see it though. Like Dave’s like, I want to watch it before it goes out. Like we all know it’s the best stuff. We all know it. So, it’s just a matter of like how do you get it out there to the world and make sure that it it comes across as good as it was in real life because it was the best stuff that we had ever seen. So, don’t worry. That stuff is coming. We’re working on it. It’s getting really, really close. And yeah, like Frankie said, once we start releasing it, we’re releasing it. It ain’t just like, okay, we put a video out, maybe in two weeks we’ll be done with the next one. No, no, no. They’re going to be rolling out. So, uh, gear up for that if you haven’t. Start getting your start clearing your content consuming schedules and be ready because they are long videos, but they’re going to be phenomenal. It is the best stuff that we’ve ever done. Um, okay. Anybody have anything else? Anybody have 0 and three? It’s [ __ ] ruining my life. Food tastes worse. Like all everything. And I thought having a kid would like make things like, oh, it’s just sports. It’s actually making it worse cuz he hasn’t even he hasn’t been alive for a Jets or Islanders win yet, which is crazy. He’s like five and a half months old. So like that’s insane to me. So like every night’s like I have a pit in my stomach. Like this kid doesn’t even know what it’s like to see an to live in a world where the New York Islanders have won a hockey game. and we’ve been playing hockey for a week and a half now. Um, so it’s not good. Schaefer is the real deal, though. Um, that’s really what’s going on in my mind. It’s a [ __ ] disaster on the island. Disaster. All right. 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Um, we’ve got the two 2026 President’s Cup captains for the United States of America, Grant Snedker, uh, and for the international team, Jeff Ogulvie. Uh thank you guys of course for for joining. Um you know it’s funny in this game how we shift our focus um pretty quickly. I think that’s a theme throughout golf of week to week it’s you know somebody wins on Sunday and then by Thursday they’re teeing it up again and trying to win again. And in the international um and the team competitions, it’s Ryder Cup and then immediately we focus on President’s Cup and immediately focus on Ryder Cup, especially for team um USA, you know. H have the two of you uh sort of had time I would say already to digest much from couple weeks ago at Beth Page and what you could kind of learn and take into the next year. Yeah, I mean I think being a vice captain up there, I learned a lot about the 12 guys we had in that team room. I think we learned a lot about what a good culture looks like. You know, I think we can take a lot of positives from that experience. Obviously, the result was not what we wanted, but um you know, I was really proud of how the guys fought on Sunday. You know, I think it speaks to what the job Keegan did on making sure those guys bought into the team aspect. They they bought into caring for each other, playing for each other, and you know, that Sunday was almost one of the most special days we’ve had in golf history. and to to be a part of that and see those guys fight for each other was something we’re going to try to build on and something we’re going to use as an example of what a great team looks like and how hard we’re willing to battle for each other. So, lots of positives to take, lots of learning lessons to take as well. And so, um, you know, still still raw and still fresh and obviously still disappointed, but you know, as you said in the game of golf, we got to move on and and kind of lick our wounds and kind of get back to the drawing board and make sure we get get this thing right going forward. Yeah. Yeah. And look, I mean, I guess I get the nice seat watching the RDER Cup cuz I can watch it from a neutral perspective and try to learn from both teams. Um, and uh and it’s just just as a fan, as a as a fan, the RDER Cup is such an amazing event to watch. These team events seem to uh show us bring us a level of golf that you don’t see anywhere else. You know, you see the best golfers in the world. I mean, some of the scores that they shoot and they’re birding every hole and the putts, I mean, I bet everybody playing there always wants to know, how do I get myself to this level in a normal tournament, you know? There’s just something about having that team behind you and the atmosphere and the pressure and sort of that uh combined that that the sum of the the individuals become greater than the sum. The team is greater than the sum of its parts in a way, both teams. Um, so I feel like I could pick through some of the stuff that Luke does with their team, which I think is really impressive. Um, some of the stuff that Keegan did and some of like their their rally on Sunday was amazing. Um, it’s everyone had given it to Europe after on Saturday night, everyone had. And then Sunday watching it was a pretty compelling TV thing. I couldn’t get up from the couch watching the whole thing unfold. And um it’s just an incredible event and it just got me excited for next year in the President’s Cup and gave me a few ideas I think here and there from as I said from both teams and the way they go about it. So yeah, just it just every time I watch one of these things or I’m involved in one of these things, it just reinforces my love for team golf. Sort of in some ways wish we had it more, but in other ways because of the rarity of it, that’s why it’s so special. You know, we don’t get it all the time. So um big fan of team golf. looking forward to this next year. I think we all are uh as as fans and you know I remember during COVID and there were several players I think Rory is one of them. We came out and he sort of talked about how the lack of fans when they restarted really had him struggling on Thursday on Friday to get that hyperfocus. And then to your point you just made Jeff where I tune in on Friday morning of the Rder Cup. I was there as my parents’ first time ever at a Ryder Cup. And I felt this last year, too. I was in Montreal. Um, and I’m watching this insane level of play from the first hole. I’m watching guys pipe drives over the trees. They’re dialed in on whatever little wedge chip shot they’re trying to hit and they’re treating that first putt like it’s to win the Masters or the opener or whatever it might be. Um, and then you know, Beth Paige, I know course setup was a part of it and it’s been talked about a lot, but that fire that you see and that high level of of play and seeing, you know, Scotty go out there and lose in team golf, shooting nine under through 16 holes because the other guys shot 11 under. You guys have both played incredibly high level golf. You’ve played in President’s Cups. Do you feel like you you guys, the best player in the world, are able to bring out your best golf in this type of environment? Because I think for us, we all think we’re going to collapse and melt down and have a heart attack if somebody put us on the first te of one of these events, yet I’m watching the play and it almost seems to be elevated when I’m watching it. Well, yeah. For me, I think it’s two I think there’s two sides to that. Yeah. I think you’re there’s you get a sort of um a collective belief you you be you become stronger than you normally would be because you feel like you’ve got the team behind you and big occasions I mean we see it in playoffs and majors and at the end of tournaments that the level always gets better closer to the end of the tournament um because whatever you get more focused or it’s more final it’s like well if I don’t do it now it’s done you know I lo the hole and I think match play is the same is that you your opponent hits it close. Well, you have to hit it. You do you don’t have any other choice. You have to hit a good shot. And I think that or you have to hold the putt. If you don’t hold this putt, you’re going to lo and you’re going to go to the next hole. It’s different from a stroke play tournament where you’re sort of it’s it’s a 4-day project and 72 holes and it’s sort of a there’s a bit of compromise in there to sort of how do I end up at the end of all these these 72 little questions I have to answer in the best place. whereas it’s a onehole by one hole by one hole sort of operation match play and you get put in situations where you have to hit a good shot or you’re going to lose the hole and I think it just focuses you and gets you um it’s you don’t worry about consequences. It’s like well if I if I don’t hit a good shot here I’m going to lose the hole. It’s you’re just done. And I think that combined with the team aspect, the crowd, the two-year buildup, um, all those factors, it just you you get golfers playing, they’re not playing above themselves because you can’t play above yourself, but they they’re maximizing their skill set in these little moments, and it’s just it’s incredibly compelling to watch. And I was part of it a few times playing. It’s it’s very scary when you’re doing it, but and when you look back, it’s like it’s sort of an out-of- body experience. is like, “How did I actually do that stuff?” But it’s incredibly um satisfying to be a part of. Yeah. I mean, I think uh being around Beth Paige and walking five matches with those guys and seeing the quality of golf that I saw, it it just amazed me that these guys were able to, you know, step up there and hit these quality golf shots under that kind of pressure, keep putting pressure back and forth on each other. It was unbelievable to watch putt after putt go in on top of other other guys after they made putts or chipins or whatever it was. You know, long irons going straight right at the pin every time, you know, and I think those guys realize that like when you’re in that moment, that finality of each hole is a real thing. And you you there is no playing safe. There is no waiting for a good stretch of holes or a good, you know, some easy putts where you can get going. It’s every putt has to go in. Every shot has to be close. Every fairway has to be hit. And I think it just makes those guys dial in even more. You know, the the level of golf I walked with Patrick for five matches. Uh the level of golf he played was phenomenal. You know, just the the quality of ball striking I saw out of him was unlike anything I’ve seen. And he seems like he does that in every team competition. And I keep pushing him to like pull a little bit of that out in a major and you’re going to win by 10. You know, that’s not even be close because of how the quality of golf I saw him have. And so, and everybody had those moments that week, you know, watching JJ Spawn play the way he did or watching, you know, even, you know, Scotty had a rough couple first days, but when you go look at the numbers and look at how well he really played, it was because of who he played just happened to make a few more puts than he did. He played fantastic on Friday or Saturday afternoon, Saturday morning. And so, you know, that’s part of it, too. Like, you get these team competitions and sometimes you just got to tip your cap and say, you know what, they made, you know, 400 feet of putts on the first day on us. Like, there’s not much we can do. when our putts didn’t go in, theirs did. You know, you can have all the great plans in the world, all the great setups, all everything you want to have happen. But if you know the other team makes more putts than you, there’s there’s really not a whole lot you can do. So, um, these team competitions seem to pull out the best of these guys, and it’s fun to be a part of. Yeah, it is so interesting that it is the most highly scrutinized event that we have, yet it’s the smallest sample size. And so you could be judged so heavily by the results of your matches, whereas you only get every two years or every year if you’re lucky enough team, you know, the USA team. Um, and then it gets broken down for decades what your performance was like, what your record was like. And part of that, like you said, if somebody just goes out there and plays lights out, everyone knows in match play, there’s only um so much you can do. I I got a question about, you know, you guys are sitting here, you’re in our Chicago HQ, you’re doing the interviews together. Um I’ll start with you, Brandt, because you’re so fresh off being right there with Keegan. Do you guys, the two of you, do you guys feel this sense of almost like camaraderie, almost this like partnership in that you’re both the two captains for the next year in the next um, you know, team competition at the highest level of our game and the men’s game. There’s only two people in the world that are the captains of the next teams and it’s the two of you. And I know looking at um all the interviews, a lot of the cool little I think Rich Learner had a great essay with Luke Donald and Keegan Bradley and how close the two of them were. Do the two of you feel and again I’m going to start with Brand because he’s fresh off. Do the two of you feel some sort of sense of almost like Voldemort Harry Potter type thing where it’s like you’re kind of like you’re kind of in this together even though you’re against each other? Yeah, I think so for sure. You know, we’re in charge of this thing. So like we want this to be the best President’s Cup ever. We want to be the biggest President’s Cup ever. We want both of these um teams to play their best golf ever because the end of the day, we want this to be a great competition. You know, obviously, we both want to win and beat each other. But, you know, for the President’s Cup to be successful, for these guys to really love this event, it has to be a high quality event. It has to have a great crowd, it has to be on a great golf course, and it has to be a high, you know, the the level of play needs to mirror that. And so, I think we both have are invested in making sure this thing is super special. Um, we’re going to spend a lot of time together over the next year. You know, luckily Jeff and I have a great relationship. He’s an easy guy to get along with and we can have poke fun at each other and and and know that, you know, leading up to it, we’re going to do everything we can to help each other to make sure this place is special and it’s a special event. You know, come Thursday morning when that first ball hit, it’s going to change. You know, we know we’ll have a beer Sunday night and celebrate one one team or the other, but Thursday through Sunday, we’re going to want to beat each other’s heads in and we’re going to do everything we can to do that. And that’s just part of these team pot competitions. But, you know, I think Jeff and I have have an ownership in this to make sure that it goes off without a hitch, that everything goes well and these guys have a have a blast when they get up here. Yeah, certainly. Um, everything that Brandt said. I mean, it’s we’re kind of I mean, we’re captains of these teams, but we’re almost custodians of like I’m the custodian of the the international team for two years, you know, and Brandt’s the sort of the custodian of the at least for 12 months for two years of the President’s Cup team for the US. and I’m just trying to hand the keys over to the next captain with the international team in a better spot than they are right now. Um is a big part of the job. I think Brandt and I are both getting still getting our heads around this the scope of the job. There’s a lot more of there’s a lot more to it in the background, I think, to try to get these events organized and to do what Bran said, turn the to help this President’s Cup be the biggest one ever and the best one ever and give our players the best experience. Um, there’s a lot that goes on in the background. The media likes to sort of make it all about that one week, you know, and and very much it’s just about the pairings you put out and it’s about who plays with who and what color your shirts are and and then that’s all part of it, but there’s so much more to this and it takes a long time to get this event these events to be as great as they are and we get to sort of steer that ship a little bit for the next 12 months. Um, and that’s really nice and it’s nice to sort of do that together. I think it’s also reflective the Ryder Cup gives out that great award, the Nicholas Jaclyn award for the the player who exhibits the competitiveness and the sportsmanship sort of reflecting that that putt that Nick that Jack gave Jacqueline at the end of that Ryder Cup at that time just sort of to show the spirit of the competition and it really is like that. I mean, I know, like, as I said, the media likes to sort of spin their own stories sometimes, and they’ll spin the story that the two locker rooms don’t like each other, and there’s a lot of passionate hate, but in my experience in these tournaments, nothing could be further from the truth. The times in those weeks when we bump together, the two teams, um, there’s a real common bond there and a real joy of competition. Um, and we all do generally end up in the same room on the Sunday night and have a few beers and talk about the week and the the harder Brandt goes and the better his team goes, the more fun it is for us to try to beat that, you know. And I think it is two opposing teams trying to win a really important trophy in golf, but we’re sort of going through that same story together. And um, ultimately the relationships and the experience of this whole thing are the most important thing. and we’re going to sit down on Sunday night, I’m sure, at the end of the thing and have a beer and um commiserate and congratulate and talk about the great experience we’ve had and um probably happy to hand over the keys to somebody else at the end of the journey. Um and um sort of just celebrate what we just went through because as I said, it’s not just a oneweek thing. It’s just a one or two year journey and um we’re just getting started in that and it’s uh it’s fun to sort of have a running mate if you like in that respect to this point where we can get up there and sort of have the most competitive situation possible. It’s uh as I said these these team events are the best things in golf. um anyone who’s been involved in them from a playing point of view or a captaincy point of view or even the periphery of all the people who help us outside these teams. The passion for these events is real and that I think comes through in the competition when you watch it and um I’m just excited that we get to go through this. Yeah. You know, I I completely agree in that the passion, all of it, it’s they’re they’re the most exciting, the most fun events that we have. And again, that’s from the complete opposite perspective. Weekend golfer, weekend hacker, fan of the game. When these events come around, there’s nothing like it. I was lucky enough to be there um in Melbourne in uh 2019. And I want to ask you, Jeff, about your team, you know, um, from Ernie L’s and the and the logo and trying to sort of, um, create almost like a general brand around the team that year down there. Um, was as fun of an event as I’ve ever been to. That golf course is as spectacular as it gets. Um, it’s as good as it gets. It brought out such phenomenal golf shot making. Um, having having Tiger, having the incredibly passionate sports fans that are down there and having the competition be as close as it was is all time. Yet, the elephant in the room is still the US is 131 and one in this event. We all understand the challenges that your team faces versus USA of international getting everybody together. you know, now that we’re here, let’s six years, it’ll be seven years later since sort of the the rebranding, if you will, and all of that. How far do you think, you know, the International Squad has come in building this cohesiveness that that everybody kind of understands is way more difficult than the Americans have? Yeah, look, I think you’re right. 2019 was a was obviously an incredible uh president’s carpet. Ernie was a fantastic leader. He was born to be a leader. Ernie’s um and he introduced the Shield as you mentioned which really has was an important sort of sort of time stamp in the international team’s um history. It’s it’s always been challenging to bring golfers from all cultures and all corners of the globe together and bring them in for a week and make it feel like a cohesive unit and a real brotherhood. I mean, we’ve got different languages and we all grow up watching different sports and we’re sort of enemies in in in every other sport, but then we come like once every two years and we have to try to get them together. That obviously was a challenge and and the Shield and Ernie that year really sort of like you said sort of st it wasn’t it wasn’t a reset but like you said the rebrand is a pretty reasonable word. um got us together and ever since we have been um growing in sort of brotherhood and teamship ever since. I mean it’s the chat groups keep going like the WhatsApp chat is been alive ever since you know he’s he got us all in a chat and it it keeps going and guys and players come and go from that chat but the team is more and more bonded and more and more together like it used to take us till sort of Saturday afternoon in a President’s Cup week to feel really like a team you know like I’m going way back here but the last few President’s Cups ever since 2019 we’re a team Now 10 months out, 11 months out from the tournament, um the guys are really excited. It’s been a big part of it. Trevor did an amazing job grabbing the torch and carrying along in Charlotte in 22. He was a fantastic charismatic leader, fantastic sort of speaker in front of the group. He got everybody really proud of wearing the shield. We get guys walking going at regular tournaments now. They all want they want merch all the time so they can wear it all the time. They wear it to the gym. Trevor sent me a bunch of it, too. I have a b I have a bunch of the shield. And I told him, I was like, I’m American. I can’t I’ll wear it in secret because it’s cool as hell, but I’m like, I you know, I don’t know what you want me to do with this. Well, look, I mean, I I respect that, but you could have put a little hat on today or something like just Oh, no. We’re not starting that now. Um, but it’s been really powerful and it is I think like you said, the record doesn’t look amazing for us, but like it’s it’s a very new event. And if you look at the RDER Cup, the first 15 Ryder Cups, it was quite similar. Um, and look, golf is quite, it’s taken us a while to sort of put all the pieces together. There’s a lot to this event. It’s there’s so much more than just picking the right pairings and putting them out at the right time. You know, there’s so much more to it. Building the team bond. I mean, if you sort of take a a lesson out of say Europe’s book, their buildup of this and the way they are in the writer cup, you could go back to Sevy, you know, you can go back to the early 80s and sort of the belief and passion that he brought into the team room, it still echoes today for them and that that’s still there. And someone like an Ernie Ell was like that for us. you know, he uh you don’t start winning instantly, but you create this momentum behind the sort of the international team that’s that’s been building and building every year. And we’ve got some young, passionate guys. We got kids who come on tour now passionate about wearing the shield and they like they look forward in the future to hopefully making teams. That wasn’t as true before as it is now. So, it’s becoming more and more powerful as years go on. I mean, Charlotte was a lot closer than the final score looks. Um, we were a long way behind and we were coming pretty strong on Saturday and Sunday. There was a moment there in the middle of the day where it it looked like, wow, this this could work out mathematically. Montreal, I mean, we were 0 and five on Thursday and then five five zip on Friday. Like, all of a sudden, we’re tied on Saturday morning. And there was moments, I mean, Brandt and I have talked about it a bit the last few days. The US wins the 18th hole two or three times or the 17th hole and all of a sudden the whole thing flips their way. But if we win, if we hold the putt on the 18th hole, all of a sudden it flipped our way and the singles would have been much more interesting, I think. And when we did the analysis and and I don’t know if they saw this, but we actually won more holes in Montreal than the US team did. Um, which is interesting that you can lose a cup and you look at the final score, it’s like, well, it wasn’t really that close, but we actually won more more golf holes than they did. So, it’s clearly very close and it’s only a matter of time. Hopefully, it’s in Chicago. If it’s not Chicago, hopefully it’s the next one. I feel like we’re getting closer and closer to cracking the code um and sort of solving the puzzle of bringing all these cultures together and getting them all in as one cohesive unit for the week and playing golf. And golf careers are very sort of cyclical up and down. I mean, you’ve got your outliers like Tiger and Scottish Heffler who seem to play well every week of their their life, but most players have good years and bad years. And I think a very often in these events, you look back and it’s like, well, of course that team won cuz they had six or seven guys who had a really good summer and they’re really in form and they’re coming in with a lot of confidence. And so hopefully we can get a lot of our guys coming out of summer and having a great year next year and coming in with a lot of confidence and and sometimes that’s the piece of the puzzle that you need and that’s really out of our control except for motivating them and getting him excited about the President’s Cup and hoping they they can get themselves in form. So, um, there’s a lot to winning these tournaments. I feel like we’re getting closer and closer. And, as you said, the Shield’s been really big for us. We’ve got a pretty good identity. They’re all very proud of it now. They they put it on their Instagram posts. And, um, they wear their merch everywhere they go. And it’s um, it’s only a matter of time till we uh, we end up on the right side of one or two of these things. No, I do. I we, you know, as much as we’re allowed to say it as Americans, I like it. I respect it. I think it’s cool as hell. And you know, Trevor’s been a great friend of the program for years and years and talking with him, even behind the scenes, having a beer, um, him and his wife and talking through it, how much it means to to him, to all you guys that have been a part of that team for a long time. You you love it and you know, golf’s such an interesting game where you don’t you really don’t despise the people that you’re playing against generally. Usually, you’re friends with them and especially you guys on your level. you travel with one another and you know each other’s families and kids and coaches and you share coaches, caddies and the whole deal. And so then this this one week every two years where you’re pitted against each other, it is hard I think for a lot of fans to remember. They’re like, “No, no, there’s a lot of camaraderie on both sides.” And so um so no, I I do think it’s been great. I remember again in Melbourne just how close it was, how much of a comeback it took, how Tiger playing, as good a golf as you could possibly play, you know, is kind of what was required for the team that he was leading to to come back and win that that whole thing. And so um so I’ll bring it now to um to the venue. You know, you mentioned Chicago. I’m a St. Louis guy and Brandt, you would understand this, but we hate Chicago when it comes to sports as much as as much as humanly possible. Um, but as a city, I love Chicago. I think it’s one of the coolest cities that we got. Um, it’s beautiful. It’s Midwestern, so the people in general are nice. They drive like lunatics, but otherwise very nice people and great sports fans. And so coming to Madina, uh, Madina number three, it’s got a ton of history. It’s got team golf history from the miracle of Madina. JT goes out there in 2019. He shoots 25 under par. Um, people kind of look at it as outdated. Is it unfair, Brandt, that now your opposing captain comes in with this firm and remodels the golf course that you’re going to be competing against the Matt? I mean, it’s totally unfair. Totally. No, I mean, that’s what I thought. I mean, uh, he did the remodel before he became captain. So, this was this is a one of those coincidence that happens every once in a while. Obviously, never happened before and something we’ll have to deal with. But, you know, Jeff did a great job. He kind of took an old golf course that probably needed some updating and the me the membership of Madonna trusted him and did a great job of saying, “Hey, it’s yours. Go go go make this place special.” And so it’s a full redo. It’s not like it’s a a touchup here or there. And so, um, it’s very aesthetically beautiful now. He took out a lot of trees and kind of made this beautiful piece canvas, made this great piece of art. And so, uh, yeah, I’m curious for our guys to get up here and see it and kind of see how it’s going to play. You know, it’s as Jeff and I have talked about the last couple days, you know, you have all these plans in your mind of how a golf course should play when you get out there and then you put the best players in the world on it and you’re like, “Well, I never saw that line. I never saw that kind of shot coming in here.” And so, you know, I think the more we get these guys up here to see it, they can kind of get a better feel for how it’s going to play. But it’s a beautiful piece of property. Uh, it’s a big ballpark, you know, so it’s great for fans. You know, we’re going to try to lo, you know, load this load this course up with as many American fans as we can. and it’s a great venue for that because there’s there’s a ton of space, a ton of room out there and the buildout’s going to be the biggest one we’ve ever done for a President’s Cup. So, super excited for that first TE. It’s going to be loud and rockous. I want the Chicago fans to come out and be be who they are, be fanatical. Um, cheer our guys on, cheer on some great golf. And then, um, you know, we’re excited about the challenge that Jeff’s put in front of us. You know, at the end of the day, we want this golf course to be the star of the show. We want the players to be the star of the show. We want to show the world and the Chicago fans what great golf looks like and what great competition looks like. And you know, anytime you have a championship golf course like Madina, it’s our job to make sure it shines the way it it should. And Jeff did a great job of kind of bringing it up to to modern day standards. And we’ll see how it holds up. You know, hopefully with some great weather and some great fan exposure and some great great golf, it it’ll really show off. Yeah. Uh Jeff, I I do want to talk to you about the golf course. Um, I know you do a lot of work with Andy Johnson and the Friday Egg guys who are awesome. I still want to be on Design Disasters really badly. I got to figure out which course I want to go after. Um, but going into a project like Madina, um, is something, you know, as a as a as an Australian and and the types of golf courses, sand belt that you’re dealing with, which is closer closer to Lynx golf and sandbased. You go to a place like Madina that, you know, last time I played it was long before the redo and it is as as uh treelined and, you know, Parkland American high rough firestoneesque as a place could possibly be. when you go into a course like that, you know, how how um how difficult is it for you and your team to go in and and be able to transform it into kind of what you think it should be, but also sort of be be constrained, held by, whatever you want to call it, sort of the character of what’s available and what’s always kind of been there at Madina. Yeah. Then look, it was a it was a really interesting job, I think, in that respect. It um when they came to us and said, “Do you want to pitch for the job?” We said, “Obviously, we we’d love to.” And as as sort of we landed the job um and started going through, we went through the archives. My guys are great at digging through the archives. Madina had a lot of history. Um you mentioned Andy. Andy did some drone footage for us and he knew Madina really well and sort of we went to all our pools of research and tried to find sort of some history. There was Bendelau was credited as the design. There was evidence that Tillinghouse had been there a little bit early days. Um it had changed so many times when you we we had these photos from the 30s and the 50s and the 70s. It’s like every time we looked at it was a totally different golf course. So the history of Madonna had really been a history of change. So sometimes you go into such an old historic property, you think, well, this is this is a faithful sort of restoration of what was there. Um, and it became pretty clear that Madina, that’s not what they wanted. Um, they wanted the best version of Madina they could possibly bring out of this great property. And you mentioned JT shooting 25 under. That was sort of a a moment for them sort of at that because they thought they had the toughest golf course in America. It was 7,800 yards or something really long, really narrow. The rough was all juicy and they got unfortunate. It rained a fair bit I think before that tournament was very soft and the greens were perfect and when you could give give these guys perfect greens and it’s soft, someone like a JT is going to go out there and shoot a score like that. Um, and I think they were a little bit sort of disappointed with that or flustered. just like what do we do? How do we make this any harder? We can’t make it any longer. We can’t make it any narrower. And also there’s I mean you can read into ranking. You got to take golf course rankings with a grain of salt because it’s a pure list of subjectivity really and personal preference. But their ranking had been very high up in the top 20 really in America in the 80s and it had gradually just sort of eroded away a long way down and they were just sort of confused and wondering why because they knew they had such a great property and say can we can we it was sort of a three-pointed thing can we put some more teeth in this for the pros because we love holding big tournaments can we make it more playable for our members because while JT was shooting 25 under the members found it incredibly difficult and it was a long slog and they it sort of wasn’t their favorite course out of their three and can we sort of get America to recognize this is the venue that that the golf course that we really know that is sort of sitting under there under all this stuff. So that was sort of the task and and the club was fantastic in that we were a little bit sort of sheepish at making too big a changes at first because wow this is a historic place and you guys have held every tournament that matters but they were really encouraging and they said no no please take a full swing. what would you do? Like just go like throw the kitchen sink at this. So we um we did we sort of we’re all I say we our company we’re all um we all grew up on the sand belt. We’re obviously very insp um influenced by Royal Melbourne, Alistar McKenzie, that sandb style golf, but we’re fans of um the golf everywhere. the Lynx golf, the golf out in the Hamptons, like the Rain and McDonald’s stuff, the the Parkland sort of golf course, the the California golf courses, the Heathland courses of London. I mean, we we we love the golf golf everywhere, influenced by everywhere. So, the common theme is usually that the ground plays a little bit firmer and there’s generally a little bit of width and some sort of options and strategy involved. and Madina was it asked you to hit lots of really really good golf shots but it didn’t really ask you any strategic questions and it didn’t really give any options and it was sort of hit it 320 yards straight and hit a seven on under the millig and hole a long putt was the question that it sort of asked and um we tried to sort of broaden that scope a little bit and ask a few more questions and get and sort of pull a bit more interest out of the property which is such a fantastic place I mean if you got that piece of land without a golf course on it it would be a dream property for for a golf course architect to build a golf course at. So we loved the place and as I said they said throw the kitchen sink at it. They were willing to sort of spend whatever they wanted and do whatever they could to make to put Madina back where they thought it should belong. And I think it should belong there too. It’s a fantastic place. So it was a really fun job. um serendipitous or exciting for us I guess that well serendipitous that I became captain of the team but a great situation that we get a President’s Cup played around there. It’s great for the club. The whole world’s going to be watching that week. Some of the best golfers in the world are going to play there. I think it’s cool that it’s match play so no one’s going to get affected by the scores that people shoot. They’re just going to see the great shots the players play and hopefully it asks a few questions and we feel like there’s probably multiple ways to play every hole effectively and so hopefully we get some guys who who take some aggressive lines and maybe his opponent will take the conservative line and we’ll see which one wins a few different times and I think that’ll be fun as opposed to everyone hitting the same spot and there’s quite a few holes out there whereas if the guy who’s got the honor he hits a great shot well the guy who stands up second he’s going to have to stand up and hit a brave great shot too and I think that’s always fun in match play. A lot of drama towards the end of the course. So, um it’s yeah, it was a dream job for our company. Fantastic in every respect and it’s really cool that we’ve got an event this big to uh sort of for Madina’s sake especially to sort of showcase. No, hang on a minute. Don’t forget about Madina. This is a really special place and this is one of the best venues for a big tournament in America cuz I think it really is. What a what an interesting game we have where the venue matters as much as it matters. And going into it, you know, I can’t tell you how excited I am to see it and to see the best players in the world uh play it, to see changes that have been made, to see the artistry that goes into that, right? And and be have that kind of uh matched um with analytics and data. and you know, you’re putting bungers in certain spots believing that it’s going to make the whole play a certain way, but you don’t know until they get out there and and play it. And I think watching all that unfold is such a fun part of um of the game. I I got to ask you, Brandt, you know, as the I know in the RDER Cup, it’s made a big deal out of um out of course setup. um Eduardo Molinari we had on the show right after Rome and he went through a lot of the detail that made us not really realize to the level that um the cap the home captains could sort of influence things um you know Keegan and the way it was set up and Beth Paige has been talked about a lot uh going into the President’s Cup I don’t even know is it the same type of setup do you have uh more say on the setup is it a neutral committee how involved are you going to be and How much is it on your mind of uh how this course that again Jeff and his um co-workers designed? How how much of a say do you have on how it’s going to present itself? Yeah. Yeah. As the host captain, I have I have kind of full full control over course setup of how it’s going to play. Um you know, I think we turn it over the weekend before kind of with some parameters where where we like to see it. Um and then the PJ tours tournament staff takes it over and kind of keeps it there for the week. you know, obviously barring any kind of weather or anything like that. Um, you know, I think Jeff did a great job designing this golf course to take away that advantage for me because there’s really not a whole lot I can do to this place. It’s kind of right there out in front of you. And, you know, the course needs to play firm and fast. And, you know, I think championship golf courses should be played on uh champion big championships like this should be played on tough golf courses and really reward good ball striking and really reward guys who are playing the best. And so, you know, I don’t see a whole lot that I can do. you know, the fairways are are very generous out there. There’s not like there’s a lot of rough going to grow up or anything like that. Um, you know, it’s more of a second shot golf course. The bunkering around some of the teeing areas is where you’re going to find trouble off the tea. And then, you know, the green complexes are very difficult. There there’s lots of kind of humps and bumps and runoffs and pitching areas and putting areas around these greens. So, it’s it’s really kind of going to challenge the guys coming into those those greens to kind of put the ball in the right spots and give themselves some opportunities. So there’s really not a whole lot from core setup that you can really do. May maybe move some TE’s around here or there. The one thing that Jeff and their company did a great job of is there’s several tiering here. You know, there’s tons of TE’s on every hole that you can use and kind of change how certain holes play. And that might be something we look into as as the team starts to round out. But at the end of the day, like I want the golf these golf courses to kind of push these guys, hit great golf shots and and and really make it set up to where it’s a it’s a tough venue for for everybody and and that brings out the best quality golf and really make sure that the best team wins. And so, um, I’m not going to be too too far down the rabbit hole with the analytics and, you know, obviously we’ll always look at that and see if we have an advantage somewhere or or not. we’ll we’ll try to kind of lean in that, but the end of the day, you can kind of go down this hole too much and shoot yourself in the foot before you ever really get going. So, I think I think all of our guys really want to go out there and play a tough golf course and and and find out who’s playing best that week. I’m incredibly excited to see it. I know a lot of people in the golf world are. Um my last question, you know, you guys are in the Chicago office like I mentioned. What’s the What are our um thoughts on the Chicago Bar stool sports office? It’s looks like fun. Looks like a fun place to work. Yeah. Um yeah, if I had to come to an office every day, I’m very lucky that my office is a golf course every day, but um if I had to come in an office, it would be something like this. It’ be kind of This would be a great place to come every morning. Yeah, there’s there’s no shortage of caffeine or alcohol in here, I’ll tell you that. So, you’ve got them pretty wired, ready to go. You know, this is a this is reminds me of of a a very high budget frat house back in the day. So, it’s uh it’s pretty cool to see see this thing grow into what it’s grown into and and uh we’re honored to be here today. Thanks for having us, man. This is a cool spot and love to come hang out when we’re not on the clock and have a little fun. No, I I agree. And I uh I just love it. I laugh at the you guys bring in this the prestigious President’s Cup in there and you guys and then you got the image of of the Barsville office and God knows what could be going on. Some days it’s all class in there, some days you walk in and it’s complete chaos. So, you never know. But, uh, I know the next 12 months, 11 and a half months of your guys’ lives are going to be unlike they’ve ever been before. Kind of grabbing the the helm and, um, like you guys said, being I think Jeff said, being the stewards of the President’s Cup for the next year. So, um, good luck to both of you. I’m sure we’ll do this again as we get closer to Adina and the 2026 President’s Cup, but very much appreciate the time and, uh, and good luck over the next year. Awesome. Thanks. Yeah, thanks so much, man. I really appreciate it. Thanks, gentlemen. Go USA, right? You can say it now. USA. There we go. There we go. USA. USA. See you guys. Thank you. See you, man. Thanks, man.
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well look who it is… the pampered first class boys
(minus francis, now business class francis)
Got them to buy into that team mentality during… Sunday singles… Sure jan
Dallas who video??? Yea never dropped…
Frankie clamming they brought podcasting to golf is beyond laughable ahahahahahahahhaa. Ever heard of a little thing called NLU?
Is this a card show or a golf podcast?
When will the internet invitational be posted???
It’s called a personal trainer Frank
Great job Trent, getting started is the toughest thing! I also just started going back to the gym too
Any golf pod hacking on you guys is hilarious. I think Connor McGregor said it best "Who the fook is that guy?!"
Great episode boys. Keep em coming!!