TIGER WOODS HAD ANOTHER BACK SURGERY | Fore Play Episode 807

TIGER WOODS HAD ANOTHER BACK SURGERY | Fore Play Episode 807

We got a great show today. There’s huge news in the golf world, which is of course uh Mr. Tiger Woods. We discussed that quite a bit. Yet another surgery. You’re going to get a lot of that. We got huge match coming up. We got a huge Dallas Stars scramble video that is coming out. We got the old president of the PJ of America, Don Ray, and a iconic karaoke video. So much to discuss. It’s all brought to you by the Chevy Equinox EV, which helps you show up in style. Fun show today, gentlemen. Very fun show. Yeah, there’s a lot of ups and downs here. Um, more downs and ups, I would say. There’s there’s there’s quite the announcement coming out of the Tiger Woods camp that we’ll get to. Um, great video coming out tomorrow against the Dallas Stars. Hockey season is in full swing. Um, really great team on and off the ice. So, make sure you watch that. It’s got Tyler Sean in it who is just got such a great Bartow history, such a deep barcel history back in the Boston days. Um, and also just a name that you really don’t see him do much media like this. So, really fun to have him out there for an ancient hole match. Um, yeah, let’s get into it. Great day. Kind of a nasty day here on Long Island. Nor Easter. You ever hear one of those? My goodness. Yeah, good old Nor Easter. I’ve been hearing about all over on on social, so hopefully everyone is is safe. But, um, if it’s distance you’re after, the Equinox EV, it offers 319 mi of EPA estimated electric range with front-wheel drive. It’s got the massive 17-in diagonal center screen. That is the largest of any EV in its class. So, we love Chevy. We love the Equinox EV. We love them sporting our show. When it comes to EVs, the Equinox EV is the smartest choice you can make. I mean, this guy is literally the bionic man at this point. I don’t know how many real parts of his body are even left. Foreplay by Bartool Sports. We are back. We got myself. We’ve got Frankie. We’ve got Trent. Um, you know, we’re fresh off. We got some stuff to talk about. Um, we got a big match this week, so we got to get everybody all hands on deck. Uh, we’ll be up in Boston. Reminder, Granite Links 9:00 a.m. on Wednesday morning. Um, 18hole match play against Kirk Minahan. So, we’ll get into that a little bit more. Um, but you know, we got to start with Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods with just a uh, perfectly timed for your boys. Just we finally, I don’t know, we may be gone like two months without even mentioning Tiger Woods on this podcast. We finally decide, you know what? We’re going to get a little hyped up thinking about when this guy might be back playing some golf. Is it going to be PNC? Is it going to be Hero? How long’s it been since that last surgery he had? He’s got to be gearing into shape. And then in just classic Friday news dump Tiger Woods fashion, um he announces his seventh back surgery in 11 years. He hasn’t played since the PNC when he lost in a controversial playoff where Bernhard Lawer got the tea off from the edge of the green like Jersey Jerry. Um and it’s just a depressing it’s a depressing thing to have to discuss gentlemen. You know it was actually Saturday. It was a Saturday news dump that that unprecedented an unprecedented news dump. He usually does do everything on Friday, so the news cycle just can’t get its hands around it. And then by the time Monday rolls around, especially this time of year, with all the football, all of the playoff baseball going on, but he was like, “You know what? This being my seventh back surgery in 11 years, I’m going to do Saturday because it’s it’s that grim.” And we can get into how long we think the recovery is going to be and all that. We’re not doctors, but I’m sure we’ll get into it. But yeah, it was it was right in the middle of like a full slate of of very good college football and then a full football Sunday. And there were words in the release that I just didn’t want to see. Collapsed disc were two of the words that I didn’t want to see. There was something about his spine. And and it’s it’s I I don’t want to say we jinxed it, but we might have jinxed it. And I was pretty down on it. And Rigs was pretty down on it. Frankie seemed to have a little bit more of a a an optimistic look at what the future of Tiger Woods’s golf career could be. But just overall the fact that we talked about it just last week and we hadn’t talked about it in a while and then it just came out of nowhere and he’s like I had another back surgery. It it sucks, man. It really really sucks. I got a lot of messages saying that I jinxed him. Um like you said, you can’t make up the fact that we hadn’t talked about Tiger Woods in forever. It’s one of the things that we’ve been uh praising the PJ tour for that you can go through all these huge moments of a golf season and not mention Tiger Woods. We never thought that that was possible. Um, you can go back and listen to shows from a year ago, two years ago, where we say, “Where the hell is this is this tour going without the involvement of Tiger Woods? He’s what brings the juice, the ratings, and now all the ratings have gone up.” Uh, you’ve got superstars now and Scotty Sheffller and obviously Rory Maroy and all the all this core of of golfers have kind of taken this tour and ran with it. And we brought up Tiger Woods, like you said, for the first time in forever. And the biggest worst news of Tiger Woods’s year just came out the day after we talked about it. So, um, it’s kind of a nightmare. It’s really, really not good when you say that you’re replacing a disc in your spine. Um, it’s like the lower lumbar, too. So, it’s like everything to do with all the rotation of the back and the golf swing is like all lower back and your hips and all that whole area is just so hot and and constantly getting torqued. the fact that I mean this guy is literally the bionic man at this point. I don’t know how many real parts of his body are even left. Um I mean when you think about the leg, you think about the back, the neck, the whole everything everything that he’s done. Uh every every procedure he’s done, he’s got some sort of metal put into him. So uh this is crazy. I’m sure he feels great. He said in the in the release that he already knows it was the right decision. I don’t know what that means. That’s quick feedback, man. That part, none of it made me laugh, but I looked at that and I was kind of like, that’s a guy already playing defense. He was like, I already know this is the greatest decision I’ve ever made, by the way. Like, this back this back surgery that I got, I already know it’s a great idea. And that that felt like to me like, oh no. Cuz he knows we’re all going to speculate and everybody’s going to have an opinion and then we all like I we all become doctors and we’re like, “Oh my gosh, what does this mean?” But he’s like, “Before you guys get to that, I already know this is the best decision I could have made.” We’re like, “Okay.” Do you think at this point these are like um like preventative surgeries? Like he’s trying to prevent more pain because he knows he’s trying to come back and play like this is a little bit more optimistic talk for me. Or do you think this is like he needed this to walk to like go watch Charlie play junior golf or do you think it’s like hey I’m feeling that this could go and if I’m really going to make a go at this I’d rather get this done now so that we get five years of like Tiger Woods back. I feel like he’s always thinking down the line to play golf. That’s like what every procedure in my mind, that’s the reasoning behind it. So like I always try and put myself in his in his mindset of like is this just to get him to to literally be able to sleep at night right now or has he tried to rev it up and he’s like, you know what, guys? I know this is not going to hold up. Let’s cut let’s cut let’s cut it and let’s do it now. This one feels to me like the first time in my life that I don’t know if this is another surgery to gear up for another run. It it just every other time, even when the one was announced in the springtime, I thought, “Okay, that’s f he’s had issues with the leg, all of it, since the accident. He’s going to have another surgery that’s going to get that leg ready to rock.” We got all uh summer long of these other great storylines. Rory Maroy is winning all in the springtime. Rory Mroyy’s winning everything. Scotty Shovel is going to come back and start winning everything. We’re going to be fine. And then when all the dust clears after the RDER Cup, this guy’s going to start gearing up for another comeback. Here we go. Now, this one again, just to have another surgery to me feels like I’m letting go a little bit that he’s doing this to ramp up for another decade of Tiger Woods trying to do it again and he’s just trying to get through life. And my my question is what is what is causing all of these injuries? And and the question is is this is this just can you draw it up from a medical standpoint as like when you get a lemon of a car, this man is just an injury injury-prone man and it is what it is and the wise words of Frankie Brley and we’ll just never like not have him being able to get injured. Is it that he’s such a crazy psycho when he dives into stuff that he works so so hard? Because the announcement from the last injury was like in my training to gear up for a return to major championships, I [ __ ] up my leg and I had to have a surgery to fix my leg. So I I don’t I’m trying to learn the root of these issues. And who gets hurt this much when he’s not even on the playing field? He’s not He just gets hurt not playing all of the time. And I get I even even pre-ac people could be like, “Well, he had this accident, so he’s gonna have issues forever.” Fine. But all the back stuff, all the knee stuff, well, before that, he had a I was going through he had a big wrist injury at like the 1995 US Open when he’s trying to hit on the rough at Shinock. Like he’s had all these he had the neck thing. Remember when he withdrew from Remember he withdrew from the Players Championship and he like couldn’t move his neck. Then one time they carded him off Tory Pines because he couldn’t move his ass and his like glute ass was broken and you’re just like, dude, why is this man injured all the time? Well, he starts off this ra latest release with after experiencing pain and lack of mobility in my back. So that tells me maybe he was getting ready to to ramp it up for for the next couple months and he hurt something or he just felt like he couldn’t do it and he was like, “All right, I’m going to get this back surgery.” My question is why put out a release if like that leads me to believe that it’s going towards a comeback because he could just get these surgeries and not tell anybody. Like I I the fact that he tells us all of them is honestly insane. Like he’s just like by the way I got another surgery. I feel like the only reason he would let the public know is because hey man, I’m still trying at this thing. I just had another surgery. I had another setback, but I’m still gonna try to keep coming back and play the game to play the game of professional golf. Otherwise, wouldn’t you just get the surgery and not tell anybody? TGL maybe like he kind of has a commitment to play TGL. True. So, if he doesn’t appear for the TGL, maybe that could be a reason. But also, he’s been doing this since well before TGL, you know, and there was that stretch, whatever year that was where Nick Faldo came out and was like, “Tiger Woods told me that he might never play golf ever again in like 2016 or 17 Masters that that was at like Tiger could have at that point, that would have been nine years ago. Tiger could have never announced anything ever again about his game of golf or his injuries ever. He could have just basically just been like, I’m going to just live and be a father and no one will ever know. I haven’t won a major in at this point seven or eight, nine years anyways. Adios, amigos. But instead, he did the whole fusion. The fugitive seemed like, right, remember that seemed like a Hail Mary of like this is a crazy surgery I’m going to do. It’s going to limit for the rest of my life my mobility. However, there’s a decent chance it relieves pain and I can just try to play again with less mobility. It’s like a permanent crazy move. I’m going to do it. And then he came back and was [ __ ] electric for like two years. He won the damn Masters. He was the best player in the President’s Cup down to Royal Melbourne. He won three different tournaments. Got himself to 82 tournaments total. Like, he was just the man. And then the car accident, all COVID, everything kind of sets in. And ever since then, I feel like we’ve had almost no signs of like positive life anywhere. Yeah, TGL is a big one for sure. I mean, you got to think that they’re freaking out going into their second season. They’re on ABC for the for the uh launch of this thing. Then Tiger plays the next week. They’re trying to build up a bunch of momentum. He’s just not going to be there now. There’s no way with a replace disc is he playing inside uh that arena. He might meet maybe he goes there and he like coaches the team sort of like how Robbie Mack was running that team and he was running like the screen and doing the zoomins and picking the lines and all that stuff. You got to think he wants to be a part of it because he owns uh the TGL. He has part ownership in it. So like this is a huge venture for him that he wants to have succeed. I’d be stunned if he doesn’t make any sort of appearance in it. Um but he won’t be hitting golf shots, you got to think. So that’s a huge blow to something that they’re really trying to rev up here and build momentum. Um, yeah, it’s it’s just I don’t know where all these injuries come from. It’s got to be the prep. This guy definitely uh is falling apart. His his body is just falling apart. And it’s got to be one of those scenarios where like when one thing gets hurt, you really try to like relieve the pain and alleviate it by doing something else and then that goes. Um, you hear about that all the time. Like if you don’t do the right physical therapy, like if you get some if you have something wrong with your right knee and you don’t do the right therapy on it, then like your left knee will go cuz you’re leaning on that and like so like as you get older, you have to be able to um withstand all these types of injuries and get through them. And you know, and his his body age got has to be like 85 years old at this point. So like his body is not meant to rev up to try and win the Masters tournament. There’s no way that like if you just looked at his body and all the scans, if you just looked at his skeleton, cuz we are just a bunch of just like bones with just like a a flesh casing, right? So, his bones are wet, by the way. They are wet bones for anyone that does not know that. If you’re sitting here right now trying to understand how you feel, like you feel dry, your bones are soaking wet. They are drenched. Drenched like you are. Your body is soaked right now. If they took the skin off your body, you would just like drip wetness. True. You’re messing with some people right now, too, that are out there listening to this. They’re having a bad day. Oh, if if people smoke weed and listen to this show, this is a bad segment for them. Well, your bones are soaking wet. So, tigers are wet and they’re also deteriorating. So, like if you looked at just his spine and his skull, his skeleton, put it in a textbook for for medical research, they’d be like, “This this body without seeing who it is is done.” Like, can’t do any physical activity any longer. And he keeps trying to do it. I do stand in awe of his drive and determination to get back out there because I I would have given up eight surgeries ago, nine surgeries ago. Crazy. Like I mean it really maybe a little less drive would have led to less surgeries is the issue. And I agree with that but I but there’s you can’t have one without the other. Like you can’t have the 2000s without the drive of a guy whose body is broken like Frankie is saying and he’s still preparing and then a disc collapses on him. Like the both of those things are the reason why he’s so great and it’s the reason why every time he tries to rev up he probably goes a little bit too hard. He probably starts a little bit too early and then hurts himself. And and it’s it’s it’s like a never- ending cycle at this point because I would love to do that if you could just get his X-rays, which is definitely a HIPPO violation, but if you could get them and show them to an unbiased party, just be like, “Hey, this is John Doe. Look at these scans. Look at these X-rays. Just tell me what you see. Tell me what the outlook of a What would the life of a person who’s living this? What would it be? Could they potentially perform at a professional level? Like, what do you think?” And I would love to hear the answer because I bet they’d be like, “This guy should [ __ ] chill out for like the rest of his life.” Well, I’m looking at right I’m looking at like Tom Brady. Okay, Tom Brady is 48 years old. Tiger Woods is 49 years old. I think we all agree Tom Brady could go play NFL quarterback right now. He’d be a top 10 15 quarterback in the NFL. He’s been start for the Jets for sure. And I get there’s torque and there’s all this with G. Tom Brady was an NFL quarterback. He was getting [ __ ] buried by people all of the time and was able to for 20 played till he was what 45 years old and he was able to for 20 plus years go out and be he had one year where he ripped out his ACL every other year a healthy ready to rock strong effective quarterback in the NFL and Tiger Woods is having non-playing injuries basically all of the time and so that’s why I’m Like what is that answer? Is it just he just hasn’t formulated a good plan yet for recovery and he [ __ ] up his recovery? He comes back too early? Is it that he just goes too ham in the gym? Is it that his body is just genetically like I remember with uh with like Lance Armstrong and obviously the doping stuff has a big part of it, but like when they studied all his like cells and muscles ability to hold oxygen, it was at like the highest 99th percentile in the history of the world. Like genetically, it’s just something he could do. Therefore, he could ride a bike longer and faster than anybody else ever and win a million tour to France. Like, is there something in Tiger Woods? It’s just like, nope, this man gets hurt. That’s just what happens. And there’s nothing nothing God could do about it. It’s over. It’s like you just get hurt. Is that what it is? Well, everybody is different. And this can’t be understated, and it hasn’t been. The flying off the cliff in a car had to cause so much damage that you’re not even that you can’t even predict. Like, yeah, it obviously had a big effect on the leg, but what it does to you structurally, what it does to your core, the the trauma that’s involved that your body takes, I like Tom Brady obviously never went through anything like that. Like getting hit by defensive line in the NFL is not good for the body and it definitely [ __ ] you up. But I think there’s a fully full full different level when you fly off the cliff in a car and they have to get the jaws of life to pull you out of there like that. Like I think if that never happens, we’re dealing with already a pretty [ __ ] like [ __ ] up body with Tiger Woods, but that made it I would say a trillion times worse. I also just really released a lot of things that weren’t supposed to be released in his back from other past surgeries. And like you know when you’re getting a fusion, you’re not supposed to drive off a cliff, right? Like that’s like you they’re like just make sure this thing stays somewhat solid. And uh it probably is like a domino effect. There’s also another side of this that a lot of Tiger haters and people that want to hear us say the other side are probably thinking also where there might be some sort of performance-enhancing drug that was taken over the years with all these different body fluctuations. And he would show up looking like Mr. Incredible. And then you’d be like, “How the hell is that happening?” And then like I’d have to bite off my buddies in group chats. I have that one uh group chat, Tommy and Brian that just constantly are sending pictures of Tiger Woods looking like the Hulk and they’re like, “This looks this looks legit.” The one photo that’s the best is like when he was on crutches and he legitimately looked like the Hulk and you’re like, “How could he possibly be getting that jacked when he’s arm day, dude? When your legs don’t work, all you do is cra all you do is crush dumbbells.” Like 40 year olds don’t usually gain that much muscle like naturally. It’s like outrageous. At this point now, you just give him whatever he wants in terms of CDs, but they say like over years and years and years, he’s always been obsessed with like getting bigger and having different stages of his body. You never know. And I’m not saying he’s taken anything that was like illegal or whatever, but maybe just like things to make make your body stronger that you know all these athletes do something. You can’t tell me that they don’t like I don’t know what it is and like maybe they’ve always tried to like find that different edge because their bodies deer antler spray their bodies are their jobs and their careers. So, like, you don’t think that they’re going to do every single thing they can? Like, you don’t think LeBron James, and I’m not saying that he does anything that’s like against the law or the rules, but like he’s finding a way to do something regardless of what it is. Something that we don’t even know about that makes him recover better or work out more. I mean, there’s just no other explanation as to like how guys are what they look like now and like how guys looked like when they were playing professional sports when they were in like the 50s and the 60s. We just have way more technology. We have way more access to things that these guys are they’re superhumans. So like that might be taking an effect on him too. His body’s legitimately breaking down. Like he can’t withstand anything. Like it’s his muscles, his his bones, they’re like they’re just like breaking. He has no cartilage left in any of his in his in his back and his [ __ ] neck. It’s crazy. Like you got to think that I mean this guy was a pretty healthy guy. I mean he was like the best athlete in like the world at one point. It’s like crazy. I don’t know what the [ __ ] happened to this guy. That’s what I’m saying. That’s exact. I’m with you. Got to be something like that. I I get it that that people get old and break down. I 100% understand that. What I don’t get is like I feel like he does all these things in his life to be as healthy and withstand torque and all of it as humanly possible. That’s why he does the things. That’s it. And my point is just again trying to find other examples of like Yam Yagger is still playing hockey. He’s like 60 years old. He’s over there in like Russia playing ice hockey and like it’s not in Tiger Woods being 49 years old and I get like yes he drove off the cliff. Not good for the body. Nobody’s saying that’s good for the body. He was incredibly injuryprone before that. He had had a million back surgeries before that. Knee issues, wrist issues, neck issues, glute issues, all that. Well before that flying off the cliff doesn’t help. And then again it’s like oh well he works out hard. I said, “Well, but to me, I’m thinking he works out hard and all does all that to improve his body, to be able to withstand stuff and play golf at a higher level and all that.” So then why is it hurting his body? Why is it getting hurt more? And is it just like has he just had the worst uh rehab workout regimen, unfortunately, in the history of the world? Is there like a Phil Mickelson team member that actually is Tiger Woods’s uh like rehab therapist that’s been sabotaged? What What is the answer for this guy getting hurt all the time? That’s just like that part I can’t grasp. Also, if you read the books and watch the documentaries that have come out about Tiger Woods over the last couple years, there were some training exercises that he took part in that probably didn’t help him in terms of what his body is going to look like when he ages into his 50s. Like I And that’s only the part that’s only the stuff that we know about. like the military stuff, the like there’s some there’s some crazy [ __ ] that went on behind closed doors where he was just kind of a maniac and all of that stuff eventually adds up and as you get into your late 40s and early 50s that stuff is going to catch up with you on top of all of the torque from from all the golf that he played driving off a cliff all the back injuries like I I it’s definitely surprising that he was a peak athlete at one point and like what’s happening to his body but if you read between the lines and you look at it all of it like object Objectively, there is a part of you that would think like, “Yeah, I could see that body not being great as it ages.” Yeah. Think about all those crazy followthroughs, the you know, when he would do the recoils and all the announcers would be like, “Wow, like we’ve never seen a golfer go after things like this or or like that’s going to hurt him in years to come.” They say that with Scotty now with his knee, like the way the knee moves and how he like slides his leg back. You’ll see guys be like, “Ah, I wonder how that’s going to hold up over the next 10, 15 years. Will he be able to continue that same swing, that same swing plane that he’s doing right now? Guys bodies break down as they keep doing these motions. Um, so yeah, I mean is a good example. Wills outdoors should be perfectly healthy and he’s out. Yep. Yep. Just swinging and he always says like, yeah, the torque on it just like keeps making it worse and worse and worse. I mean, the guy’s like ar he’s like my age and he’s getting like spine surgery. So, I mean, it’s definitely not a great sport for the back. I think that’s why like chiropractors are even like a business. I mean, I think golf and chiropractic work is like goes hand in hand. Um, there’s just something about it’s like you’re you’re you’re just very very solid. You’re just connected with the ground and all of a sudden your upper body is doing all this movement. It’s not a natural movement. Just like throwing a curveball is not a natural movement for your elbow. You end up getting Tommy John surgery. It’s a lot of things that we do for sport that like your body’s like, “What the [ __ ] are we doing right now?” Um, and Tiger Woods did it to the max. So yeah, you add all these things up together and it and it creates a body that is breaking down like papier-mâché. That’s just what there’s a lot of factors in it. There’s a lot of like a lot of things behind closed doors that were happening that probably made his body susceptible to a lot of injuries. I know. And I read all about it. I watched all the documentaries about it. just I just would have I would have thought this is like this is the many manyth time that we’ve seen him get injured while recovering. He’s not It’s like he got hurt trying to win the Masters [ __ ] I could understand that. It’s like he got hurt recovering from a surgery and it’s just like this is when you’re supposed to be fine. This is when you’re supposed to be getting better like resting and then just like healing and then preparing for another comeback but not hurting yourself. That’s where it’s just like if we’re getting hurt, if we’re getting hurt while recovering from being hurt, we’re we’re not we’re done. We’re just we’re done. Like we got no we got no shot is that’s classy move classy move by Phil to wish him a speedy recovery. You like to see that you know class quote tweet action from Lefty. Lefty’s account right now is a very a very funny mix of just going after lawmakers and then being like wishing that man a speedy recovery is terrible news about Tiger Woods. It’s a wild a little bit like a I’m still here and I’m still playing golf tweet too where it’s like I wish Tiger all the best. Hope you can get well soon as he’s tweeting it from like the driving range. Oh, I yeah I brought this up in a sarcastic vein. I Phil every time he tweets is you just there’s it’s never there’s always something to it and there there’s a lot on there that’s like wow. And that one I when I saw it I was like that is what he’s doing. He’s like by the way I’m still around. I won a major when I was 50. Like things are good. I’m sorry to hear this and I wish him the best for a speedy recovery period. Yeah, that that came from a point of like I’m completely fine and going to be playing golf all over the place, but I wish that guy a speedy recovery is kind of how that came off. It’s it is and we can we can move on because we’ve we’ve I think we’ve covered it offic or sufficiently here but like everybody’s body is very different and that that goes for me that goes for Frankie that goes for you that goes for that goes for Tiger Woods that go like Phil Mickelson like there were years early in his career and throughout where he like wasn’t the healthiest guy in terms of people would be like you know he’s not exactly like in tip-top shape but that works for some people like some people get used to their bodies in a way that is like yeah this is how it is like you look at Prince Fielder and you’re like wow what you know that’s not the body that’s of a professional athlete but if you do it the right way it’s and you you adjust your body in that way and you don’t force it to do crazy [ __ ] you can last a long time and it’s it’s just the the point is everybody’s different so Tiger might already be susceptible just with the DNA and the genetics of who you are more susceptible to injury and then you put all this [ __ ] on top of it and your your late 40s and 50s are going to be rough we go on a golf trip we have like eight people that go on it and we eight different versions of how our bodies feel after. We all do the same [ __ ] That’s true. Like I like my back. I couldn’t even move my neck. It’s like we all were doing the same stuff. We all golfed like the same course the day before. I woke up the next day. I couldn’t move my neck. Like I don’t understand how that happened. I didn’t do anything more strenuous than someone else. Yep. It is true. Like you do abandoned trip and like four of the guys on the trip by the end of it are like I can’t move my legs or muscles. I have to I have to take off work for the next 3 days and then four guys in the trip are completely fine. So, it’s just that’s how the body reacts. That’s how the body reacts. Um I did look at chat GPT told me six to nine months um of recovery before being able to play. It’s not that long to be able to move, but it said maybe it said maybe like three or so months um somebody would be able to do start doing rehab and all that. But if you’re going to try to play golf at such a high level that it said like six to nine months would be expected recovery time. Um I’m kind of expecting six to nine years at this point based on everything. So um so yeah I I think that means TGL is out. 2026 is kind of a wash if that’s the case. I think so. I would think so at this point. Well I mean July would be like 10 months right? But I don’t know that he would but what’s he what’s he going to do is that’ll be Yeah. You could do like Shinikok US Open. I don’t know if that’s where we want him to start. I don’t know if we should I agree. I don’t know if he should start there. He might then he’ll be I think he just disappears after that from the Shak US Open lost control. I I really do go back and forth between Dude, it’s you’re you’re good. Like I I’m good. You’re good. Like be healthy. Be a healthy parent. like be able to walk around with Charlie and Sam and like I you did it all. Like I don’t the back half of this back half back half like we keep pushing it off. It’s not going to lead to something that changes my opinion about the legacy of Tiger Woods. Like there’s there’s that part of me where I’m like dude you can retire and I’m okay. But then and it says a lot about what we talked about last week where I would love one more moment. I would love one more like competitive Masters. I would love a competitive open championship. like that would be really fun and cool to watch, but I’m starting to as we get further and further down these this this laundry list of injuries where I just want to be like it’s fine. And that’s that’s a really different tune from when we started this podcast. Rigs went to war a lot for Tiger Woods in those early days of this show when and like and that was way before the 2019 Masters. 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One of um uh one of the great golf related news exclusives that I’ve ever seen was tweeted out um last week from Tom Kershaw at the times and it said exclusive under fire PG of America president saying karaoke lose yourself by Eminem in the dining area of hotel for players family and guests on Saturday night hours after Rory Moy and his wife Erica were subjected to vile abuse at the RDER Cup. [Music] One of my favorite parts about this uh exclusive was how they continuously tied this exclusive incredibly important report in the world of golf to just what was happening on the larger scale. I saw one of the headlines that came from it was like as US is down 12 to4 uh PGA president sings Eminem and raps karaoke and just trying to bundle all of it together. Um the way that it was uh tweeted out exclusive in all capital letters like we were finding out about the president of the United States or something um made me laugh. Um, but yeah, I I um I want to talk first about just the fact that it was treated like, you know, Tiger Woods, you know, was was retiring or something in terms of the news drop. Yeah, it was preposterous. I mean, it’s a super awkward look when the guy’s just like rapping to a bunch of uh, you know, older crowd, family, and friends of a RDER Cup team. He’s rapping like lose yourself in like a oddly bright room, like a well-lit room with just a karaoke machine in the front. Like all of it just didn’t make any sense. If you’re getting up there and you’re rapping, great song. Love to rap it in my car. Everyone knows all the words. It’s a fun little song to to go to. But like to get up there, you’re like showing off that you know all the words to Eminem and like everyone’s like, “Oh, like you’ve definitely practiced it going right into that and like you thought this was going to be your big moment.” It’s a super awkward look, but yeah, I mean to make this any sort of connection to what was happening on the golf course is preposterous. I mean, I don’t know that the PJ of America president has anything to do with why the US was down 12 to four. I mean, he has to do with like ticket prices and like how people are flowing in and out of the event and where the event’s being held and like how it’s all going to but like, you know, I don’t know that he could have made Russell Henley make the putt on 17 and like force it to go to 18 or like like, you know, stop it from going to 18 against Shane Lowry or like get guys to start making putts or have Scotty finally win a match where he’s someone else is playing his ball. Like all that stuff, the reason why we end up losing has nothing to do with what happened at the Garden City Hotel on Saturday night. literally nothing to do with it. I I can’t get enough of this Don Ray character. I It’s a real shame that we don’t get microphones and cameras in front of this guy more often. Remember the after the Saturday when they put a microphone in his face and they’re like, “This is what we think is going like this is what we think and what we’ve heard about what’s going on out there with Rory Morin.” He goes, “Well, golly, I I haven’t heard much of that.” I’ll tell you. It was just the way that he I can just you can just tell and this and the loser yourself clip confirmed it. He’s an odd duck and I like that. I I want more from him. And unfortunately, we’re not going to hear from him until like the PGA Championship probably. But the the my main takeaway was I wish cameras and microphones were in front of Don Ray more often. Let me tell you this. I’ve played golf with Don Ray. Don Ray is a Mesa, Arizona uh guy. He owns and uh operates Augusta Ranch, which is in Mesa, Arizona, not far from Mesa Country Club. And you know how like Frankie out on Long Island, there’s just like a bit of a a golf circle that you’ve kind of found yourself into at clubs out there, you could get tea times, you can hook up the Barcel at like Sabana. There’s like a golf circle. You kind of know people in the circle, whether they’re the head pro over at this course or the GM over at this property, whatever. Don Ray is like in my golf circle in the Arizona area. I know him pretty damn well and I’ve played with him and he is a beauty. He is just like a a players coach kind of person. He just he likes to smoo. He likes to hang. And again, he owns and operates this really fun spot called Augusta Ranch that like um that that people were into. It has a good vibe. It’s got a little like grass clippings type vibe to it. It’s just kind of fun. And so when I saw Don Ray give that interview on that Sunday morning and be like, I didn’t really hear much about that. But the Rory stuff, I laughed out loud. And then when this comes out, and you know, eventually we can play the video or you could put it in earlier. It doesn’t really matter to me. But when this comes out, it is exactly what Frankie is saying. There’s pretty much no video really in the history of people doing like karaoke after some drinks that if you will just watch it on like a Monday morning sober is not going to come off unbelievably awkward and shitty. That’s kind of the whole point of doing karaoke is that like it takes balls to get up there. You’re not going to be good at it. If you were good at it, you would sing for a living or do something like that. So, it’s already probably going to be pretty shitty to watch. And then the context of it and then putting it all in like here is as we as we break down and react to and analyze like the entire systemic issues with the US RDER Cup performance. Here’s the president of the PG of America Saturday night singing Eminem lose yourself karaoke in front of a bunch of people. It’s just never going to come off right. Having said that, like my parents having to take four hours to get an Uber on Friday out of there, that is an issue I would bring up to Don Ray. It’d be like that’s something you got to kind of we got to work on that. Don Ray and like, you know, the fans yelling things at Rory or Team USA being down seven points on Saturday night. At that point in the event, that’s got nothing to do with Don Ray and there’s nothing he could do about it. He’s not going to be out there on Saturday night like it’s just Keegan’s got control of the team. The things that Don Ray have set in place, have got whatever control over the event that they’re going to like have. They had beefed up uh security following Rory on Saturday afternoon on Sunday. They had all kinds of beefed up security around Rory. Like by all accounts, it’s like his job is kind of like that’s what he’s done. and they’re they’re kind of like celebrating, if you will, the fact that all their work for several years on bringing this Ryder Cup to Beth Page, whether we’re winning, losing, whether out of 50,000 people, uh, a couple people yell things inappropriately or not, that’s got nothing to do with Don Ray doing [ __ ] karaoke on Saturday night, it’s got nothing to do with it at all. And so just the whole story being treated like it was such a massive exclusive um piece of news and then people scrutinizing this video of the man doing karaoke I thought is some of the most preposterous thing I’ve ever seen. I’m sure it’s rolling right off the back of Don Ray because he just doesn’t I don’t think he really cares that much. He’s living life and living it pretty well. But yeah, that’s sort of my take on the whole thing. I thought it was very funny. When I was on the first te on Sunday, I was standing actually right next to him. He was on like a roped off part. Uh he was probably still standing on the first tea and then we were like on the first So this was actually when we were on the 18th green. He was like in the first T area looking down at the huge board and we were all on the 18th green area. This is as like guys are starting to come up like Justin Thomas is starting to win holes and all that stuff. And uh and one of the one of the women there was like press could I get you a water and he like came over he’s like you can get me some points. and he was like super nervous and just like walk and he just like he gave her a look like you can give me some points. I do wish we had more context to the karaoke. Like is he the only one who sang a song? Was that a thing that everybody was doing? I just didn’t have enough information because I’m fine with it either way. But like if he were you were just like, “Oh my god, I love this song. It’s time for me to do some karaoke in this room.” It’s a strange move, but like I just didn’t Give me that microphone. Right. Right. If someone was just like looking at a TikTok that happened to have that song on it and he’s like, “You know what I’m gonna do? I’m gonna sing that song in front of all these people.” I just didn’t have enough context. Which actually made it more beautiful because I was just like, “There’s Don Ray rapping to lose yourself in a in a conference room or in a banquet hall like in front of all these people. And it would be great if he was the only one who did anything because that would be very Don Ray in my opinion.” They were giving out like fruit salads as he was doing it. It was like legitimately the end of a banquet hall meeting of the of the families and friends. They’re all staying at the hotel. They’re like people are turning around in in the food line like what the [ __ ] going on? What is happening this thing going? You know what? We’re not dead yet. Shout out to Don Ray. Yeah, it does. It does too like make you really make a decision in your own mind of like okay is this entire operation about like everything that they ever do every minute of every day needs to be towards anyone related to the PG of America and team USA focusing on just like winning no matter what or is there do we accept that there’s been this sort of like ceremonial aspect to the Ryder Cup from its beginning that has now transitioned into like a warlike like feeling a war machine type feeling. And that to me came off like a little bit of the old school old RDER Cup of like yeah, yeah, we’re we’ve like gotten everyone together and like maybe we’re winning, maybe we’re losing at that point. Obviously happen to be losing, but like we’re all here and put this great event together and we’re going to sing and like have a great night. He’s going to do whatever he likes to do, which is apparently Rap Eminem. That sort of to me was like when they were trying to position it up against them getting killed, it was sort of like is this man’s mission out here to like win a war? Is it to put on a good event, which is, you know, like I just part of it was just like I was kind of caught in between there. I can understand that this the size of the deficit definitely had an an impact on it. Like I know I don’t think it should be covered with like exclusive breaking news, everybody huddled around your TVs. Don Ray is is rapping Lose Yourself while Team USA is down by a ton. I think their opinion would be like I mean Team USA is getting killed. Absolutely killed. And the optics of like the PGA president is him just being like, “Hey, let’s sing a little bit of karaoke.” I can understand that. I think the way that it was tweeted and the way that people wanted to handle it in terms of news is a little ridiculous and is ridiculous. I just think the size of the deficit people are like, “You guys are getting [ __ ] murdered and here’s your PJ of America president singing.” I I don’t necessarily agree with that, but I can see it. The tweet sucks. The tweet was How does it even get out? Like someone like that means like someone in that room was like, “This is a bad look.” Like like that’s almost like a Patrick Reed like type of you know leak. Like how is that even getting out? Right. Yeah. Right. I Yeah. No, I I agree with you. I um Yeah. I the amount too. This got broke down on everywhere. I saw all different golf podcast talking about it. You’re just like, man. And we’re talking about it. It’s a very The whole thing was incredibly funny and what a character to be like representing the PJ of America through this like rioter cup that clearly didn’t go our way. Um, yeah, I found the whole When you sing karaoke, you want it to be a dark room where people can barely make out that you are the one with the microphone. At least that in my experience with karaoke. I don’t want I’m such a bad singer and I know I look horrible up there and I’ll get the words wrong and if you’re probably up there you’re drunk. I I don’t want like I’m I’m so bad at karaoke. I would be mortified if if people had a video of me doing it. Mortified. Same. PG of America had some characters at the helm of it. Like Seth Wah was a hell of a character. Hell of a character, man. What a guy. What’s he up to right now? I mean, I know he’s probably down in seinal running some sort of operation behind the scenes that we don’t know about. Got to be. He’s definitely running something. I mean, he was what? He was Deutsche Bank forever. Is that right? I think so. Yeah. I actually just golfed a club on Long Island where the the pro that we played with, he also goes down to Seminal during the winter. He does like a he does Long Island, he does Seminal, which is a great little gig that he’s got for himself. Um, and uh, I was asking him because I was like, “Oh, Seth Wah’s a member down there, right?” And he’s like, “Oh, yeah.” He’s like, “He’s just like the mayor down there.” Like, “What’s he doing now?” Now he’s not with the PJ of America. He was like, “Oh, he stays real busy.” Like he’s like he’s in charge of like looking for a replacement or like looking for God, I don’t know. He was like he’s searching for the new something. He’s like looking for someone to fill a role, but it was a big role. I can’t remember what it was, but he’s on boards and Yeah, he is. He’s a big board guy. That Yeah. Once you get to that point in your career when you’re that successful and you’ve done that much, people just put you on boards and I feel like that takes up a lot of your time. Big time. There’s like 15 things where they pay him like a couple hundred grand a year and every quarter he just appears for a board meeting and he’s like, I got some takes about what we should be doing. Find a good leader for this. Let me let me do the search. I’ll do the search for a good I got a couple good guys in my rolodex. Great energy. The business side of sports always amazes me. Like I actually just got put into a group chat. our guy Jake Adams from uh from Country Club at Jason put me in a he texted me he’s like oh the Islanders just made a great hire and it was like this head of like business operations that the Islanders just got this guy from the LA Kings this guy Kelly Cheeseman and he’s like you don’t like realize how good of a guy this guy is like he’s like for like the retail shops around the the the building and like getting fans to the arena and marketing the team like this guy’s legit like he’s like one of the best in all of like sports marketing and like the Islanders just and It was in like Business Journal and like all like Forbes was writing about it. Like there’s this whole business side of sports that like you don’t realize how important it is. Like a guy, you know, that’s rapping Eminem like that. He does have a massive role, right? Like that’s a massive massive role being like the head of this organization that puts on these events or the you know the front offices of sports. Obviously, this is all obvious stuff that how important it is, but I think sometimes we do focus a lot on just like the ice or like the field and like the players and there’s so much that goes into all of it. Um, you know, it really does amaze me just how big these operations are. Like I looked at after Jake put me in in the text with this guy, I looked up I looked them up. It’s just like how impressive some of these people are and most of them are and like how they gravitate towards sports. Like sports are just so [ __ ] big and they make so much freaking money that they get like the most impressive people in the world to take, you know, control of of each entity, each each team. Like you’re talking like the most impressive smart people in the world are now going towards sports. I think that was the coolest part of the Jerry Jones documentary was just I’m watching that right now. So good. Oh, dude. It was so good. and this man just having success, putting all of his success into I’m going to buy the Dallas Cowboys and then having this like maverick mentality behind like no no what everyone’s doing is wrong. Like I’m going to market this team like you wouldn’t [ __ ] believe and going out and like the whole segment about getting prime time and him realizing like I have to have that that guy has to be on my team. He’s perfect. And all the different decisions that he made from a sports business standpoint, dude, like selling selling to brands parts of the Dallas Cowboys that were just heavily heavily against league policy, but him being like, “No, you guys don’t get it. Like, we got our own brand right here. You guys all all your other teams out there also have your own brand. It ain’t just this NFL brand. They’re not going to tell us what to do.” and building out the Dallas Cowboys into what they became while also winning Super Bowls at the time is if you’re into sports uh business at all, Frankie. Like I’m that was my my one of my favorite things I’ve ever watched was how that guy just had a vision for sports business. Yeah, it is incredible. That’s I had a class in like seventh grade uh I think her name was Miss Moyes was the teacher. She it was like a sports marketing class and I remember like changed it was actually a marketing class that then like half the half of it was um I think I’ve talked about this where it was like how they would do like subliminal messaging and commercials and stuff and we would watch like Mad Men and we would show like how they would like you know that Madmen was all about how like they marketed cigarettes obviously towards like the the general public and how incredible it was to be able to do that because it was like bad for you but they made it like cool. Um, and then like obviously that whole industry goes insane. But then the second half of the of the semester was like all about sports marketing and logos and like what goes into it and like buildings and like and arenas and like how all that affects how actually how the team performs and it was just so cool to like it really was my first you know I like fell in love with it like and I’ve never stopped like you know looking for all that stuff. I am so into all that [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah, I’m like two episodes or three episodes into the the Dallas Cowboys documentary. It’s incredible. They just got EMTT. They drafted Michael Irvin. Like, it’s all starting to come together. Troy Aman just got hurt and that backup’s in there. It’s so I’m very early on in it, but it’s Yeah, Jerry Jones, he’s such I mean, people have a lot of opinions about him and a lot of them are negative now because he hasn’t won a playoff game in like 20 years. But like watching early Jerry Jones and how charismatic and how like he just didn’t give a [ __ ] it’s a really fun thing to watch. And if you’re Yeah. If you’re an NFL fan or if you’re just a sports fan, it’s like a mustwatch. Yeah. I think Jerry Jones is getting a bad rap now because like just like the Yankees where like the Yankees were this freaking dynasty of a team and we held our freaking chest up and our nose up and all of a sudden we’ve won one championship in like 25 years. Like that’s kind of what happens with Jerry Jones where like you’re America’s team. They’re showing you on the broadcast. Everything’s about you. every time they score a touchdown, they’re showing Jerry Jones reaction and it’s just constant losing now where it’s almost like he stuck around a little bit too long and like his legacy is starting to like it’s starting to eat at it, you know, like that we’re we’re many years removed from all the genius moves made in that in that marketing uh documentary. And it’s it’s another level with him because he’s the GM and he’s that’s what I mean like he’s got his hands on every it’s not like he just owns the team and he keeps firing or hiring and firing GMs who aren’t making the right personnel decisions. It’s him. So it’s it’s he’s even more connected to the performance on the field. And listen, I appreciate the balls that it takes to just be like, I’m going to buy this team and people are like, what are you going to do with the gym? He’s like, I’m the GM. I’m the president. I’m everything. I’m B I would be the head coach if they let me. But like he does it all. And when you don’t perform, I mean, it really has been 20 years, 25 years since the Cowboys won a playoff game. And for for a team that in the ‘9s was everything with EMTT and Michael and Dion and Aman and just like how much they were celebrated, yeah, it wears on people. It wears on a fan base. And if you were the guy who were like cocky as [ __ ] and then you don’t win forever, your legacy is going to take a hit for sure. The world just sucks now. Nothing means as much as it used to. like when the Cowboys were like cool and the Yankees were cool, the only time you could see them is when like Jerry Jones would give those like those awesome interviews and like he would say something that would be on the back page of the newspaper and everyone around the country would like kind of argue about it at barber shops or at the bar or whatever. And now like nothing is cool anymore. There’s no like cool teams anymore. Anytime someone gives an interview or anytime someone makes a move, the first comment’s like you’re fat, like you’re ugly. It’s just like it’s constant. It’s like nah. It’s like so everything just kind of goes so fast. Like the the the ‘9s Yankees were like the coolest team. Like Chuck Knoblock and Derek Jeter. They had like these little turtlenecks on and like they’re playing in the cold October playoff baseball and that’s like all you saw them. Now it’s like I don’t know, man. We follow these guys on Tik Tok and like Instagram and like their wives are posting like like collaborative Tik Toks with like Matt Fitzpatrick after they won the RDER Cup. like like his his wife made her do like a a collaborative Tik Tok when he when he was like on the [ __ ] bridge walking over all the fans. He stepped Did you guys see this? He stepped on the on the phone and then she picked it up and they were it was like a collaborative Tik Tok. It’s like what have we gotten to? Like that used to be like it used to be cool. Like you used to barely see these guys. And when you saw him in person, you’re like, “Holy [ __ ] there they go.” Now I’m watching you do Tik Toks. It’s just too much. Like it’s not cool anymore. Like it’s nothing. Like Jerry Jones needed to get out, man. and like just be the Jerry Jones that dominated and then like just you you’ve entered this non cool world. Everyone’s just going to [ __ ] on you now. They’re just [ __ ] That would be if the only thing you cared about is what people say about you forever. Whereas in reality, that’s not true though. That’s just like perception of the world though. But I’m saying I mean Jerry Jones is getting [ __ ] on for the last like two decades. But he would be like but this is awesome what I get to do every day. This is what I live for. So, like, would I just rather not do this, which is what I live for, so that people won’t say as many negative things about my legacy, or like what am I going to do all day? And he’s like, I’m going to run the Dallas Cowboys. That’s what I love to do. Jerry Jones loves legacy talk. I mean, now you’re just like acting like Jerry Jones isn’t who Jerry Jones is. Well, I’m not saying he doesn’t care about legacy, but I don’t think you care about it enough to be like, I’m just going to live the last 20 years of my life not doing what I want to do to protect like the successful legacy that I had. I think there’s an element of just like this is like what else would he do that he enjoys more than running the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. I mean at some point you have to have just like a rational thinking brain where you’re like it’s not working anymore and like I’m now losing more than I won. So it’s like what are what is this all worth it for? I mean yeah for me to have fun or for the thing that I love the most to like not be successful. I mean I would love to hear him answer that question. I mean he’s like ruining the thing that he loves. It’s like not successful. They’re not winning anything. Yeah. I just I I get I get it and I I agree that like his legacy if he would have stopped you know whatever 20 years ago would be significantly more preserved but I just don’t know that him as a person would like make that trade where I think he’s like no this is what like on a day-to-day basis I got to do something and I love running the Dallas Cowboys. So I just think that’s like it’s you almost see it in everything. It’s like our whole Tiger Woods conversation too of like damn if people could just go out at the right time it would preserve legacy. But it’s just hard I think to tell people like wow what you love to do you shouldn’t do it anymore because you’re just going to get worse and worse at it. That’s like I think everybody kind of fights with that. Yeah. My my general point was like the world now just sucks where it’s like there’s like no one like he’s just he’s gone too long where he’s now in this whole new like we’re talking about the marketing machine everything. his team’s like his team’s not even cool anymore. Like the Cowboys aren’t the Cowboys and like nothing has that like allore to it. It’s not it doesn’t have that feeling anymore. Like I’m a huge Yankees fan. Like the Yankees don’t even have that feeling anymore. Like you watched Aaron Judge walk out into the right field. It doesn’t have that same like chill inducing feeling. There’s just something we have too much access. So like Jerry Jones has like waited too far into the waters. Like he could have been the guy that we just watched that do documentary on. You would always would have had that thought of him. And now I’m like he’s a meme. like Jerry, he he he’s lived too long to be a meme. Well, I think from like a like a general sports fan perspective in terms of opinions and perception of what you’re watching. Like when I was growing up, Jeter was he was the man. And I know that he was the man for you because you’re a Yankee fan, you were in it, but I as a as an unbiased party, I didn’t hate Derek Jeter. Like the people who hated Derek Jeter were Red Sox fans and people in their division. As a guy on the outside, I my opinion of Jeter was, “Wow, he’s incredible. they’re winning all these World Series and that’s just like an interesting thing to look at. Now I think everybody everybody wants or everybody gets to have an opinion on it and I see all of those opinions all day every day. So like if Jeter was if the Jeter thing was happening now I would be on Twitter and I’d be and I would see so much Jeter stuff that I would get sick of it and I’d be like all right now I don’t like Jeter. Like I don’t I keep seeing this [ __ ] and there’s just and but back then I was just I would literally see on ESPN like holy [ __ ] there’s a Jeter highlight and I wouldn’t think about Jeter for 3 weeks and then I’d see him again and I’d be like oh there’s that there’s that Yankee who’s like incredible now I see everything. I see everything he’s doing. I see everything everybody is saying about the thing that the guy is doing that then I have to form an opinion myself when I don’t necessarily want to have an opinion on it. I just want to be able to see it and be like oh wow that’s a thing. But instead, I’m fed all day, every day, with stories about him, negative, positive, random account opinions about it. And then now all of a sudden, now I got a feeling on it when I don’t really give a [ __ ] outside of just wanting to admire a sports star. Like, it’s all changed way more than I think people are even allowed to say. That part of it used to be reserved just for like conversations around a bar stool with somebody. Now, when you see it on a global scale from so many different people, it almost you can’t help but let it seep into like the way that you perceive that person like I would say I mean just looked it up like the Dallas Cowboys are the most valuable sports franchise in the world by like a mile. So, it’s like they just they haven’t and so it I definitely agree with you. It’s not like as cool and all that, but it’s also hard for me to be like, yeah, he’s really had 20 years of just blowing it where it’s like, dude, when he bought that thing, it wasn’t even a fraction a fraction of like one of the more business-wise for sure. So, that part of it is like, yeah, he’s But well, they’d be even more valuable if they won Super Bowls. I mean, think about the most valuable franchise of all time because of what he built when it was successful. And now it’s like I mean, it is it’s like the Tiger Wood stuff. It’s like you can’t believe he hasn’t won over this time frame while being the most popular and top, you know, the top tier organization, the top tier player going for this long without a championship is like stunning. So, you know, it’s just everything is just changing so much where like it doesn’t hold that same um like to bring it back to that documentary like it’s so cool to watch that era of sports when everything was such a big moment and like you really just like you were able to actually make waves. Now it’s like it’s all just it’s all it’s all the same [ __ ] man. It’s all it’s all like I the way I feel about the way the world feels about Josh Allen right now. Like if Josh Allen were a ‘9s athlete, like it would be and you know it’s going to help him if he ever wins a Super Bowl. That’s kind of the all the talk around him. But there’s just so much talk about him. Like I wish I didn’t have to think about Josh Allen only once every week, every Sunday when he plays and it’s like holy [ __ ] there’s that really good Bills quarterback instead. It’s just everything churns and churns and churns to the point where you just like you’re like I don’t even want to [ __ ] think about it. Makes you hate everything. Sucks, dude. It does. It’s the overexposure I think is a nightmare, but you also can’t like you can’t help you can’t blame people for doing it. It’s like what we do basically trying to like be we’re out there all the time trying to sling stuff, keep the keep the brand hot, stay prevalent in people’s faces, eyeballs, and ears and all that is like valuable and that’s like our whole business. So, it’s like I get totally get why people are doing it. Just like it just isn’t as like preserved for um like the right amount of exposure made people cool as [ __ ] And it’s like even, you know, I was listening to like Leonardo DiCaprio on the new heights a couple weeks ago and it was like five minutes into it, I was even like, eh, I just almost thought he was way cooler before I heard this interview. And it’s not that he is a bad interview, he’s good, but I’m just like there was like this mystique around him. It’s like he’s just a [ __ ] AA list movie star who’s like been a Bachelor forever. He’s been in so many dominant iconic roles and you never really hear from him. He sort of just pops up and it’s like, “Holy [ __ ] Leonardo Capri has another movie out. This is unbelievable. Let’s go.” And then you don’t hear from about him forever. And like that used to be that way with a lot of people. You wouldn’t have seen Patrick Mahomes or whatever or Travis Kelce from like the Super Bowl until a month ago. You wouldn’t have seen him once. You correct. [ __ ] yeah. They’re back. Let’s go. And you do like lose that right now. The only times I want to hear or see Leonardo DiCaprio is in a movie or a paparazzi picture of him on a yacht in the south of France with like 10 models. And he did that for a long time. And I think he’s still got He’s still kind of doing that, dude. He knows he’s the only He is I legit think he’s the only one who has done it. Bro, you see the way he wears his hat at parties. It’s insane. He It goes over his entire face. It’s absolutely ridiculous. But he’s the only guy maybe in sports and just culture who’s just sort of like this is who I am. Him and like Daniel D Lewis are the two guys. I feel like Tom Hanks did a pretty good job of it. He gets into the waters a little bit. He’s a little he’s always doing something. He’s doing he does more than Leo and Daniel D Lewis for sure. And again, now we’re just beckoning to to a to an older time when it’s just never ever going to be like that again. But it’s still like something that I find interesting. I just saw I actually saw a Tik Tok of a girl singing karaoke at an LA bar and it went viral because Leo was in the background talking to somebody. Her caption was like, “I didn’t know who I was singing in front of.” And like she’s belting out a song and he’s in the back and like it went it had 100 million views cuz he was just in the corner. Like that’s when you still got it. Yes. Yeah. That’s a that’s people probably like where is this even coming from? I don’t it’s just I’m trying to grab it like what that whatever that is. The fact that like just he’s been able to preserve the thing where like when you see him in the background of a Tik Tok it goes viral. That is what we need back in the world for all of it for just sports for for everything. all the story lines. Like I would love to get back to that where like you really can’t wait for that thing to happen anymore, you know? It’s just so much going on now. 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Um, great recent guest on the show. We had him on like a week and a half before the RDER Cup and he brought the he brought the energy. He was just, you know, he’s a pretty quiet guy, I would say, in general. You get a lot of these interviews with Xander. He always seems to have the same resting heart rate. He always seems to be kind of chilling. When we had him on the show, I guess that was like a month or so ago now. Um, he was just awesome, man. and he’s always been great with us, but he really was bringing it. He was answering everything pretty extensively, just letting us in a lot. So, if you haven’t listened to that, make sure you go back and listen to it. But Xander was showing some signs of pretty good golf going into sort of his what ended up being like a hiatus because of course him and his wife gave birth to child. So, like he he didn’t play in that warm-up event, all that. But, I believe he was like tied for eighth or so at the Open Championship after what everybody thought was kind of a little bit of a down year. actually had a damn good Ryder Cup for being on a losing United States of America team. Um had a damn good performance in the Ryder Cup. And then he goes out in um you know, he’s got um a lot of family um roots from Japan. He goes out to the Bay Current Classic and wins in Japan. He had a ton of family out there. So, it was a very very cool win for him. I was kind of combing through a little bit, but um Xander Schoffley is building quite the career all of a sudden here for himself. He’s 31 years old. He’s got $93.6 million in career earnings on the PGA Tour. Holy [ __ ] Like 40 or something million of that is from like bonuses which have all been added in the last like five years from FedEx cups and all. And now all the increased purses with like bonuses on the PJ tour. He’s like always in the top five and they just been paid out all these bonuses um forever. when it comes to like end of the year standings at FedEx Cup, I feel like he’s always up there. But 10 PO Tour wins, $93.6 million in uh career earnings, Olympic gold medal. He has a 75 and0 career RDER Cup record for a guy that’s been on two lost losing RDER Cup teams and one winning Ryder Cup team and now he’s got two major championships, winning the PGA and the Open in the same year last year. To compare that, Jordan Spe is one year older than Xander. Jordan Spie’s got 13 wins and three major championships. Um, so it’s like he’s building, you know, Jordan Speed we were kind of looking at within his first two years on tour of like this is a no-brainer Hall of Fame career. Still will be, but like he could go out there and everybody at the time was probably like this guy’s going to win 12 majors. Now you look at Xander Schoff, he’s built quite the career all of a sudden. Of all the things you just said, the most shocking one to me is that Jordan Spe is just one year older than Xander Shaw. Yeah. I I would have thought he did Jordan Spath love the guy. I would have thought he’s 40 years old at this point. He’s just been around forever. So, it’s a good comparison that you bring up because yeah, like Xander him and Spith are basically the same and they had now he’s, you know, Xander starting to track him down in terms of career accomplishments. I just I I love Xander. Obviously, the two majors helped bring up his profile. Like for the longest time, he was the guy who’s like, “This guy is finishing second. He’s obviously super good, but when is he going to win a major, boom, knocks off two in the same year? 10 PJ Tour wins. That was more than I would have thought. So, shout out to him for getting the double digits. But that that whole thing made me just think of Jordan Spe and what a strange career he has had. There’s one thing I’ll I’ll give to the internet that I do love about it. It’s the Jordan Speed memes. It’s uh I saw one that said uh it was like this moment and it was a screenshot from House of the Dragon where the dragon’s like standing over one of the characters and it was like Jordan Speed made par from here and I just laughed so hard at that just this guy will make par from anywhere behind a parking lot behind a freaking Chevy Tahoe. It’s like you just can’t believe where this guy’s golf ball goes. Um yeah. I know that that is crazy that he’s only one year older and and Daniel Schoffley has just been such a solid solid player over his career. He’s just always there in the mix. Great guy, great story with his dad. He’s always just there for him and they have a great relationship. Um he’s just yeah, he’s a great guy for this uh for this era of golf to just have there. Always competing, winning majors and and it’s uh it’s good to see him get a win over there. I I was just going through Xander’s Wikipedia. I was just kind of scanning it while we’re talking about him. Under personal life, this is what it says. It says, “Shoffley is an enthusias enthusiastic cigar smoker. His father introduced him to cigars at the age of 10.” Hell yeah. Damn. That for some reason that just that blew me away. I mean, I don’t know if they were ripping stoies at that age, but he was just like, “Look at this thing. You’re going to love these.” He always has one in his mouth. His dad. Oh, he’s he’s one of the more iconic golf cigar smokers. Yeah. Now, now I think his dad is like Yeah. big one. and he would have a stogy while doing his little stretch routine before he would play around a golf one which I always liked. Yeah, me too. Um I believe Xander’s dad now like doesn’t really uh come out on tour at all and lives in like Hawaii and just like farms or something. That sounds Yeah, he’s like building out like a a resort for his family, right? Isn’t he doing something? He’s like he’s working on land that they’ve purchased and they’re like building out like where they’re going to live for the rest of their life. Oh, like a little compound action. I could have that wrong, but I remember when Yeah. when he won when he won one of the majors, he wasn’t there and he gave an interview being like, “I’m just out here like working away, settling like the family down. Like, this is going to be our spot.” Like he’s living like a very like uh like simple life, but like build I think he’s like helping build this like compound. This is Xander’s dad. You’re saying Xander’s dad. He’s also building and managing a family compound. compound property project in Kawaii, which we’ve been to, which has been described as a long-term personal undertake. There it is. We’ve said this before, but if you ever get into the compound business when when you are putting together your compound, you made it. You made it. Oh my god, dude. You fully made it. When you’re It’s no longer just a a a house. Like it to me, you’re just you’re like, “Oh, he’s buying a house. He’s got a little bit of land. That’s great.” But when they’re like, “No, no, this is going to be a compound.” You did it. generational. Dave has a couple compounds now. He does. He really does. Like multiple houses, pool house, multiple different walkway areas. Like if you can get lost there, it’s a compound. Compound. Yeah. If it’s got like what, three plus structures, I would say, is like a compound maybe. Like you can’t get lost in my house if you try. You walk in, everything’s right there. Like you’re gonna lose the houses for sure. You could get lost in like, oh, I’m in the wrong wing. When you when you look up and you’re like, “Where’s the driveway from here?” That’s when you know it’s like, “Oh, I’m not in that one. I’m in the other house, the other building.” Oh, yeah. I’m in the I’m in the Yeah, I’m in the extra extra compound. Dude, I go on Zillow like every night and I just look cuz Long Island has crazy compounds. You just You make your way over to like the Northshore or like way out east, you’ll see some of the most like laugh out loud compounds you’ve ever seen in your entire life. You start doing those like street views, you go through all the photos, some of these, the fact they’re even on sale is outrageous. like who’s buying a $32 million house on on Zillow. Um it feels like you got to have some sort of meaning for that. You can’t just click like request a quote. Dude, Zillow’s like might be my number. It’s in my top three of used apps. I’ll just pick a random area code, zip code, and just be like, what’s in this town of Montana? What are the houses looking like? And I’ll just look for hours. Did you get that email from MB that was like, tell us your uh it was like to help with sales, like let us know your favorite apps or whatever. I thought about that forever. What it she asked us the most simple question that was so hard to answer. It said, “What are three brands you couldn’t live without?” And I was like, I didn’t even know what that was. But like, dude, one of them at at the I I put a lot cuz it was brands that you currently don’t work with, right? So, it was like a hard question because like a lot of the stuff that I can’t live without would be like golf clubs. Like I would say tailor made. Like I literally can’t live without those because like that’s like our job. Um, and it goes on and on and on. Like I didn’t know what to say. Like I threw at one point I was just like I don’t know like the phone company that I use because like it’s my internet. It’s my internet, my TV, my phone. You said Apple. Apple for that reason. I I put Verizon because it’s been like my phone carrier forever. Like I didn’t know what else, you know? It literally gives me TV, gives me internet, and it gives me my phone. So it’s like that’s a pretty like when I thought about how important that was to my life, I took this extremely seriously. Well, yeah. one I put was the food delivery system. I’m getting food left and right, baby. I I like that, too, dude. Of course. Like, well, because it’s both. It’s like getting rides and getting food. So, now we’re just talking about like how we literally live our life. There are a couple brands out there that are so essential that like you can’t live without it at this point. I did um I did Chipotle. I put Chipotle on there. Like I you know, I eat Chipotle for lunch six times a week. I just like that’s just what I That’s Yeah. And it’s just I’ve got a go-to order that I know is delicious and it’s pretty damn healthy and it never doesn’t deliver. Like not no pun intended. And I just I was like, “But I’m with you, Frankie.” I might have taken an hour and a half before I responded to that question. I was I like Adam like what what what’s the answer to this? And she’s like, “Well, I mean like you already have like she’s holding a body armor.” So she’s like, “Well, it’s like like this is water.” I’m like, “Yeah, I know, but it said like brands that we don’t currently work with.” I’m like there it is amazing how there’s certain brands out there that like are just a big part of your life and like you don’t even realize it. I mean we put like a couple of baby things like the Nanet which I [ __ ] on all the time because the infrastructure I hope we could work with them because I’d love to help the way that they send out these notifications to the parents. It’s absolutely out of control. It’s it’s a shame what they’re doing to people. But like I can’t live without not like I have to see if he’s like rolling around in there. So like I I literally couldn’t go a day without that app. Like that’s like the app I need to see if he’s like sleeping or not. There’s a lot of baby ones. I don’t know. Like Huggies, you know what I mean? Like like like diapers. We need those diapers. There’s a lot. But dude, Zillow. I at the bottom I put a star and I’m like I could live without this. But I go on this app as much as I go on like Twitter and Instagram. I just go on Zillow and I always tell Hannah if I find this like like there’s going to be a day where you’re not ready to move, but I’m just gonna click on it and we’re going and we’re gonna go see a house. Like I already know like like we have no plans on ever moving, but I know there’s going to be a time where I’m like pack the bags. We found the spot cuz I’m obsessed with looking at houses and trying to find deals and trying to find like potential in a property. You know, I’m never going to have a compound, but like maybe I can find something that’s like my own little version of one. I’m going to be the one that beats the system. I know it. I look at Zillow so much and I’m going to find a diamond in the rough. I know I am. Same. I’m always like at some point I’m just gonna own like a little house in Cedar Rapids, Iowa that I may never see because I’m just like, “Oh, look at this. Look how look how great this Apple is, by the way, Apple is such a funny one to put.” And it’s right, but Apple is so ubiquitous with like the whole our entire lives that I don’t even think of it as a brand anymore, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It’s almost just Yeah. It’s It’s a given that everyone relies on Apple all day every day. So, you can’t even really call it a brand. It’ be like if Oxygen was just a brand thinking air if Air were a brand like you know what’s crazy boys is actually I’m not using a single Apple product to do this podcast right now. Wow. Wow. I have a Legion Dell computer. I’ve got an Alienware. Mark these down. I’ve got an Alienware uh like it’s like a gaming like Oh yeah, those are gaming computers. I remember those bad boys. what that is Alienware monitor. It’s sick. I have an HP monitor next to that that has the the emails up on it. And then I have a Canon computer uh uh camera and uh sure microphone. There’s not a single I mean obviously I have my phone here that like I’m looking up like things that you’re talking about or whatever, but like I could do this whole internet podcast with and we’re on Google and we’re on Riverside. Like there’s nothing that is Apple in this whole entire scenario. I’m staring into a MacBook right now. I’m looking. Same. Same. But I What is that over your left shoulder? Is that a uh Is that That’s a walking pad. That’s a walking pad. Yeah. Wow. What are you doing flexing that on this freaking podcast? I didn’t mean to do that. I actually didn’t think it would be in the shot, but I It happens to me. You have a walking What are you talking about? Look at that. ever had a walking pad? Are we calling it a walking pad or we calling it a treadmill? It doesn’t have the the the It’s just a flat pad. You said that like everyone like like it’s like like it’s one of those companies that we can’t live without. Like you’ve never had a walking pad. What is this off of it? Like I don’t get it. Walking. No, it it has the mechanisms of a treadmill. I guess you could technically call a treadmill. It’s a treadmill, brother. But it doesn’t have Is there electricity to it? Yeah. Yeah, it has electricity to it. It doesn’t have the like the the part that you look at and you like put in like I’m gonna be on this for 20 minutes. It’s just a pad that has the treadmill like Can you make it faster? Yeah. It’s got different speeds. You got a little remote that you have you control it with. But actually you have He goes, “You never had a walking pad? Like what the [ __ ] What? I don’t have an elevator in my house too. I don’t know. Like I don’t have things that move in my house.” No, I don’t. I guess I’m under the assumption that people know what walking pads are. But maybe they don’t. Maybe I’m Maybe I Maybe I should get a compound. Maybe I’m living at a level where it’s just like the fact that you have a little piece of technology that lets you walk in place inside your apartment is close to a compound. Nice. All right, great. It’s I mean, you can get that thing for probably like 150 bucks. But dude, speaking of that, I actually I think the guy like Top 100 Golf. I always forget his name. There’s a bunch of these accounts. Is it like Rick’s top 100 golf? Something on Twitter. He’s always posting a lot of good threads. That guy, right? Top 100 Rick. Rick’s Top 100. Something like that. I could be mixing up two different names, but whatever. It’s a top 100 Twitter account. He went to Japan, I think it was some golf course in Asia, and he was like talking about all the different things that they um do compared to us on the golf courses. And there was like a whole thread. It’s great. God, I got to find it. Maybe Ryan Richen can find this thread. But there was so many different things. One of them was a walking pad from like the T- box to the green and it’s constantly moving like you’re at the freaking airport and it just like it walks you up and down the fairways and all down these long walkways and you just pop off it. You get back on and they have one caddy that drives this like moped type deal that has four golf bags on it and he buzzes ahead of you, gets to your golf, gets to your ball, drops a club by you, has the yardage for you and it’s just like it seems. Yeah, this guy Rick’s golf top 100 Rick. Um, yeah. So, if you go down here, he’s going to do a whole little photo of himself. It’s a little bit too much. He does a little too much here. Okay. Um, he’s showing this, but look, take a look at these. Oh, I didn’t see all this stuff. Yeah, good food. Let’s talk about the golf culture. It says six to seven hours, jacket required on arrival, all female caddies, very strict dress code, incredible food, full frontal nudity. That’s an that’s a strange one. Yeah, that’s not the uh thread I saw to be honest. No, I saw the one with the walking move the walking uh sidewalks. Anyway, it just got me thinking about that that I’ve always wondered why we don’t have those in cities. And I guess it’s because like we’re trying to not be as fat of a culture as we are and like we could just walk more steps. Um but yeah, and then also like how do those work in the rain? I don’t know. That was interesting. I remember um I had one of my I want to say in like seventh grade or something we had one of these like fitness you know we’re in like a fitness class or whatever and like I remember the teacher was obviously quite the hardo with all this stuff and he started going on about you know how important like exercise is and getting your steps in and the whole thing and he just started going on this rant about how ridiculous it was that people try to park as close as they can to establishments when they go to establishments and how everybody should be trying to find the parking spot as far away as possible to get all their steps in and he just getting all riled up and we were like brother like people it’s just convenient man like it wasn’t it’s not about people not wanting to get steps in it’s like we’re trying to get in and out of the store because we don’t want to be doing the store thing we don’t want to be at this place we just funny thinking about someone going to a gym and like waiting like outside like the front spots waiting for someone to come out so they can pull in like you know you’ll do that at the mall sometimes you’ll just give up looking for a spot even though there’s some in like the back back parking lot. You’ll just kind of like park in the middle of a bunch of parked cars and you’re like, “Someone’s coming out here at some point.” Like that’s during like Black Friday around like crazy holiday times when the malls are packed. Like I’m just giving up on walking a mile. I’m going to wait for someone to leave and then I’m going to throw my blinker on. I imagine someone doing that at the gym where it’s like I’m going to work out but I am getting a good parking spot. I remember seeing something and this is sort of connected to the parking thing where if we lived in a society where people like gave a [ __ ] about each other when you the earliest people to work should park the furthest away from the door because then as like if you’re late and then so then if you’re running late then the closer spots should be the ones that are open. Obviously, that is not how anything works and will ever work, but they were saying if you get to work early, you clearly have enough time. You should probably park further away. And then as the day goes on and people start to get there and the time progresses and gets closer to the time when you’re supposed to be there, the spots that are closer to the building should be the ones that are available. They do that in Japan. That they do that in Japan. Yeah, I’ve seen that before on the internet. So, to go with the Japan golf course thing, like that is something that I’ve seen at least on the internet. True, but according to Google, it says it’s a common practice in Japan. So So if you enter So if you enter a building for work and you’re in Japan, you’re a Japanese worker, the the c like the the the custom would be to if you’re the first person to arrive to an empty parking lot would be to park in the very last spot, the first spot that you enter when you go into that parking lot. Here we go. Right. In Japan, it is common practice for employees who arrive early to park their cars farther from the office entrance to leave closer spots for colleagues who arrive later. This thoughtful gesture, you got all morning to walk into that [ __ ] office. Cultural value of omari or being considerate of others and aims to foster a harmonious harmonious sorry this is really far away from me. Harmonious and supportive work environment. There you go. This practice helps ensure those running late have an easier time finding a spot which can help reduce stress and is seen as a form of community spirit. Wow, that’s lovely. Now imagine the self, you know, the self-control that you have to have, right? The selflessness. Selflessness, but like to to not like just ignore that and just go park right in front of the door to be like I’m going to for these lazy pieces of [ __ ] that are going to show up late and they’re running around. and they’re waking up late, they’re hitting their snooze button. I’m going to leave them the better spot. What a better way. What a better way the world would be, right? But then in America where we have like no common sense or no like we no one’s like no one has that same thought process of like being nice to each other. Like we would be like, well now someone’s going to take advantage of us and they’re going to be late every single day and they’re going to get the best spot. Like they’re never you’re never going to teach them a lesson. That’s like America feels like if you don’t [ __ ] wake up, you don’t get it. You know, I gotta think that there’s people in Japan that expose that what you just said. For sure. I gotta think there are like some lazy [ __ ] in Japan that are like I could just show up late every day. These people get the best spot and when I leave I’m the first one in my car and like I’m just out of here. See you later. See you later. Early bird gets the worm is how we think over here, man. It’s like I’m [ __ ] getting there early. I put the work in. I am getting that first spot. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. [Music] Adidas golf, baby. I picked up this nice little number the other day at Pinehurst number 10. Got the cool logo on there, but they got so many great so many great offerings with uh with Adidas. I’ve actually got this Beyond Golf uh pair of like blue joggers on right now. I’m trying to I’ve been thinking about what my outfit should be for the Kirk match for like two weeks straight and these are these are a high contender going into it with these joggers. We’ll see how I’m feeling on game day. But the point is from the Tour 360 shoes, all the different shoe assortment of shoes that they offer to all the outerwear gear to the Adidas Originals line, just as many as many phenomenal options as you could want from our great friends at Adidas Golf. Yeah, they got a little bit of everything. I mean, Trent’s wearing a nice comfy hoodie that’s just got a nice just simple logo right there on the chest. I do love the center logo. Love the center logo. Yep. So good. This alternate logo hat that like you never would know is Adidas is Adidas. It’s really really fun to be able to mix it up and not just have like the one logo. They got the original logos. They got the these alternate logos. They’ve got the three stripes. It’s the It’s just been amazing to see just how many different pieces of clothing that they do have that I’ve been like so so hooked on. I go on the website, I keep ordering new stuff. Yesterday I had a bunch of family over. Everyone was wearing Adidas shoes. It was like so funny. We legitimately were a walking advertisement for the brand cuz everyone is so obsessed with the shoes, the sweatpants, the hoodies, and this is the perfect time. For some reason, like I just never used to buy Adidas like sweatpants or hoodies. They’re so freaking comfortable that now that’s all I’m going to be in. That is all I’m going to be in all year. I get that we’re on the like the Adidas golf side, but I’ve just it’s my whole life now. I just have a bunch of hoodies like this, comfortable, comfortable hoodies. Fall is right around the corner and it’s just like, yeah, I can I’m obviously going to wear all that stuff on the golf course, but they have just an entire array that can cover your entire life and I’m just I’ve I’m all the way in and I’m comfortable pretty much 24/7 now. Yeah, it’s been massive. I’m with you. It’s all lifestyle. It’s cultural stuff. It’s great Adidas golf stuff. Uh the final chapter of 2025 originals golf range. By the way, introduces elevated styling for the course inspired by high fashion while also introducing bold colors that complement the classic heritage aesthetic that is uniquely Adidas. So again, they just got all kinds of options. You could showcase a lot of range. Fashion is one of the things that is uh a a an opportunity for every person on earth to sort of express themselves on a day-to-day basis. We’re all going to like different stuff. Why I love that Adidas has all kinds of different options. Adidas is the official golf apparel and footwear partner of us right here at Forplay that includes their new originals golf range inspired by the classic Adidas heritage. So check out the newest drop. Shop Adidas latest golf gear at www.adidas.comforplaypod. Once again that is uh adidas.comforplay pod. [Music] John Rom. John Rom just real quick uh announced after playing last week um that he is not going to play again until February 5th which is when uh live golf resumes over in Saudi Arabia. There’s a bunch of like DP World Tour events towards the end of this year. I saw Rory’s doing bunch of guys are doing this week over in India which like Rory’s never played in India. So there’s all kinds of that spirit of like getting the game out there globally that of course DT World Tour different events do throughout the end of the year. We always kind of see Rory and Tommy and these guys over in the Middle East. I feel like towards the end of the year playing some events. Rahm’s been a big part of that I think throughout different parts of his career. But thought interesting of note John Rom just said nope he’s not playing and literally until February 5th. He said I’ve never had three months off but I’m looking forward to it. Um other athletes have it and we’ll see. So we won’t see John Rom again again. And I know he’s on live anyway, so we don’t see him a ton, but uh wins the RDER Cup, plays I think it was like the Spanish Open, I believe this past weekend, and then is just uh is just see you later. Good for John Rom. Three months off. That’s nice. Sounds lovely. Sounds really, really nice. We’ll hopefully take some of that time and get Mr. Take a day. We’ll take a day of that. You know, not now you got two months and 29 days off, John Rob, because you’re still good. Yeah, we’re going to take it. Yeah, that is a uh hell of amount of time to be off. And then um last thing I got on here, just a little Alistister update. Alistister Dockerty, of course, the only sponsored foreplay sponsored golfer on the planet. Another Cornfairy Tour season of what could have been. We talked about it a lot last week going into the championship this week, the tour championship, but with the car wreck at such an up and down year. Um he still had a chance this week if he wins uh or if he had won to get his PJ tour card. This was last year where um he lost out by one stroke for and then in a couple months would have lost out again and did lose out again by one stroke. So uh he ended up finishing uh two underpar extremely difficult golf course. I think there were like seven people under par um the first day there a bunch of unbelievably high scores. He had a phenomenal finish to the first round to get in and I think one or two under par. um a tough 78 in the second round when again the course was playing impossible and then actually backed it up with some really good rounds including I think four under in the final round. So finished 200 par total very difficult golf course ended up finishing 50th on the cornfairy tour points list. Um only top 20 got their tour cards this year if you recall I believe he ended up finishing 32nd last year when the top 30 got their cards. Um so another year of kind of close calls but had to give people an update on Alistister. Now he’s got a little bit of an offseason and uh back at it again. Gentleman trying to make the grind in in the golf world. We got to get Alistar in some YouTube videos. We talked to him when he came on the show, but we got to show the people how freaking good he actually is. Maybe that’ll get him going. Get him a little swagger. Get him some momentum going into next year. Like he needs to start playing with a little [ __ ] you attitude because that’s like when he plays his best. It feels like when he’s like when he gets one good result, it seems like it carries over to the next one. I’m not saying YouTube golf is going to catapult them into anything, but at least showing off a little bit and showing people what you can do sometimes just does something good for the mentals when you’re that good it feels like. Um, so yeah, no, I’m excited to see what we can do with him during the offseason. Um, and yeah, it’s just a tough year. You just got to win an event. Like you got you got to just deal you got to stop dealing with all these freaking top 25, top 20 stuff. Like let’s just start winning corner tour events and just like booking our way to the PGA Tour. Like enough with like the full season [ __ ] Like he’s good enough to win multiple Cornfairy Tour events. So like, let’s just get hot one Thursday, let’s get real hot on Friday, cruise on Saturday, and then just [ __ ] step on throats on Sunday. I’m picturing Alistister at home like listening to this like, oh yeah, all right, let’s do that. Good idea. That change the strategy up and we win a Cornferry Tour event. I love it. I think that’s the right way to look at it. I think the YouTube golf introduction is a great start to that. I really do. I think you’re on to something. I think too we could add some really good golf being played on this channel and it’s hilarious how good that man can hit the golf ball. So, let’s get him. Let’s start it with some YouTube love. Propel that into this other idea of winning Cornfair Tour events and then we’ve got ourselves a man on the PGA Tour. We got a plan. We got a plan. We got ourselves a plan. We got ourselves pair some other really good golfers with him and like see how he does in matches, one-on ones, get that heart rate going. some intense putts, some like, you know, putts that he needs to make to win. Like, let’s get his freaking Let’s get his juices going a little bit. Mhm. I’m with you. I’m 100% with you. I think it’s a [ __ ] great plan. So, let’s go Alistister. This is going to be the year of the Alistister going into 2026. It’s just no, no doubt about it. And I do I want to expose him onto the channel a little bit. I want to get that game showcased because it’s phenomenal. Phenomenal. So, uh yeah, little update there on Mr. Doerty. And then I believe this week we’ve got uh the Dallas Stars scramble video coming out on Wednesday. We’ll be busy that day. Um filming the match with Kirk, myself against Kirk Man, giving him four and a half strokes. Again, minor 9 a.m. Granite Links. If you’d like to be there, whole crew will be there trying to win ourselves a golf match. But also that same day, make sure you check out on the channel the Dallas Stars. A hell of a roster that we were able to kind of wrangle up from the Dallas Stars. Yeah. Matt Duchaine, Jakeer, Tyler Sean, and Casey De Smith. I mean, Jakeer is aside from Hella Buck, which we give him a little [ __ ] about, like is definitely gonna be the the United States goalie when we go to the Olympics in Milan, which is incredible. Um, Tyler Sean is just a legend of the game in more ways than one. He is uh he’s got a crazy history with bar stool. He was like one of the first bar like professional athletes to really give Bartool a go. I mean, he told the story during the video. I don’t know if it’s going to be in the edit. I hope it is. Um, but just like kind of how he started with it where it was like they were winning championships and this bar stool thing kept popping up and they were sending pictures and videos to the blog so they would get posted and it was a it was a really cool like tight-knit community up in Boston when they were uh when they were winning championships and all the teams were doing well. The Red Sox were winning, the Patriots were winning, the Bruins were winning. It was a great time for Boston fans. So, he talked a little bit about that. And Deshaine, huge foreplay guy. The guy’s just been all over the place. Colorado, Nashville, now with Dallas. These guys just constantly putting up crazy numbers. Just a goal scorer. Big- time NHL uh performer. So, in case Smith, backup goalie, but he’s been around. Yeah, it’s a great uh really, really good squad. Unbelievable team out on the golf course and on the ice. And we played uh a major championship venue, did we not? We did. Yeah, we did. Good old PGA Frisco. Uh where Rory decided to uh take an unnecessary shot at uh at PGA Frisco. But it is not easy, man. That is a hard golf course. It’s like pretty windy out there at times and like you’re it’s just a long golf course. Where they’re going to play it from at the PGA is just outrageous. Like that’s going to be a [ __ ] impossible golf course. The greens are outrageous. There’s so many runoffs and and false fronts and backs and all this [ __ ] So, it was a tough golf course. Really great match. Um, I’m excited for everyone to watch it. That’s coming out tomorrow. Yeah. So, make sure you uh scope out the channel. Make sure you subscribe to uh to the channel. Great crew. We had an awesome dinner with them afterwards and a couple drinks and uh they’re just, you know, as a Blues guy, the Dallas Stars, you’ve had some rivalry, so it was cool uh chopping it up with them. So, awesome crew, very funny. As hockey, as Whitney’s been all over talking about lately with Yando and all that, hockey guys are funny [ __ ] So having them out there in that setting is always good. So make sure you check that one out. Um otherwise, uh we’ll be back Thursday for the second show of this week. I got nothing else on my list here, gentlemen. So happy Canadian Thanksgiving as we’re recording this. I don’t really know what that is, but I know it’s something. What is h what is Canadian Thanksgiving? What is Canadian Thanksgiving? I I really don’t have an answer. I’ll I’ll be honest. I know today’s Columbus Day also or indigenous day whatever wherever whatever whatever what all that is but I know that people are off of school today. That’s nice. Days off school we’re always 100 p.m. Islander game and I wanted to take Frankie to his first game and Hannah didn’t want to go because there’s like a noraster here and it’s like dumping rain which I get it’s like a lot. You got to walk Speaking of parking lots like you’d have to walk across a freaking hurricane essentially. Uh but 1 pm Islander game right now it’s about to start. Like I would have loved for that to be his first game, but we’re gonna keep battling. We’re gonna try and get him there soon. He’s only two in his life of watching games. It hasn’t been going too great. Matthew Schaer scored his first goal, though. Very exciting stuff. He’s legit legit. Rigs, you got to watch just highlights of him and or just like watch a game with him. He’s a he’s a he’s a franchise changing player. He’s a defenseman that’s legitimately all over the ice. He’s like joining rushes. He’s behind the net. He’s tipping shots from defenseman. He’s like he’s getting back. He’s backing. Like he’s taking so many risks. And he’s such a freaking young psychopath like 18-year-old that he like knows he can get back. So like it’s just hilarious watching him and like Barzy just skate around. They’re 0 and2. I get it. But like I think they’re just starting to get a feel. They have a whole new roster. It’s like Patrick Wav is like I understand we’re losing games but like I would buy tickets to watch this kid. He’s like he’s the first guy we’ve had in a long time that like people are just going to want to watch him. Every time he’s on the he played 26 minutes, had eight shots on goal. He’s eight he’s 18 years old. It was his second NHL game ever. He had eight shots on goal in like Kale Maresque just like flying around all over the ice. He never comes off the ice. He’s just he like if you try and pull him off he’s like I’m obsessed with this game. I’m like fine. That’s awesome. At least that’s somebody fun to watch. Like you said you it takes him a few years whatever they’re trying to build a team. They’re trying to start building a winning formula. Somebody to watch man. Like it really does. I always I always said that about Patrick Kane where it was like it sucked that he was on the Blackhawks. It sucked that they were worth they were scoring or winning Stanley Cups while like the Blues just weren’t and they’re our biggest rival. But I was just like if I just looked at this from a pure silhouette standpoint and I they didn’t have any jerseys on that man is worth the price of admission just watching Patrick Kane. So anytime you get a couple players like that it does make it a lot more fun. I’m not comparing to him, but when I go to like a Islanders Edmonton game, like I’m legitimately going there to see Conor McDavid skate in real in real life. Like I want to see what that looks like. And this kid’s only 18 years old and he’s a defenseman. But like I say, I feel the same with Macar once he got to that point. Like you’re like you can’t wait to see if he can pull something off. And then that just becomes part of his like his story. And then it’s a it’s so funny how sports work. Like then he just like ends up doing cool [ __ ] like when he knows that people are watching him, he ends up trying more stuff and then he ends up like succeeding some of the times and they’re like outrageous stat like when you get that little bit of swagger as an athlete. We’re saying this about Alistair like that little bit of swagger, that little bit of momentum. Yeah. Like it brings the best out in them. Like it it is so cool. Like dude, he had no reason to have eight shots on goal, played 26 minutes, and score a goal in his second game ever on the third pairing D as a third pairing Dman. But like he just took over the game because like the crowd was going nuts every time he touched the puck. He was like smiling as he was playing. It’s like all right, the other guys weren’t doing that. They don’t have that same like energy. So yeah, it’s it’s so exciting to watch. It’s a little like uh with like Baker Mayfield right now when I’m doing when you’re you know, you’re just like the clips of him are like, “Fuck me. Look at this guy.” You just don’t I mean there’s certain people that play the game in a way that’s unbelievably exciting and some that could play it really well, but it might not be as exciting. And it’s that’s sort of just every time you tune in right now and there’s viral clips all over the place of this guy running all over the field. There’s something to like schoolyard mentality like when you watch it was a big part of Johnny Manzel’s appeal in college where you’re just like normally it’s like three-step drop. Okay. Is the receiver open? Is he reading defenses? Like how’s that going? With Baker, with Johnny in college, with you know a young player like this the hockey player you’re referring to. Like it’s just fun. like they’re out there having fun and that’s really fun to watch and and it’s really what it boils down to and it gets eyeballs on those people. Baker Mayfield is out of his mind right now. I know. It’s sick. For his first like, “Oh, why’ you like come sliding in like that?” Like it was like a there was a scrum on the net and he came diving in and he poked it into the net. And some people think it should have been like a hand pass to him, but whatever. Um he’s like, “I saw it in like a Mighty Ducks movie.” He’s like, “I thought it was like really cool.” It’s like this kid’s so young. He’s like he literally said like I saw it in Mighty Ducks once like a guy like come flying in like that like that’s the reference like this kid was born in 2000 this kid was born after Sydney Crosby made his debut 18 2007 that’s when I graduated high school. He played against and and Obie in his first two games like he legit was he was born after Cydney Crosby made his NHL debut bro and he was playing like his whole life Cydney Crosby has been the best player in the league. and just a class act. And he played against him. That’s cool. That’s nuts. That’s nuts. I’m gonna go watch those highlights. I actually do want to watch them play. Yeah, it’s fun. Um All right. It’s all Canadian Thanksgiving. What is it? Uh I looked it up. It says it says um very similar to American Thanksgiving, family gatherings, turkey stuffing, mashed potatoes, pumpkin pie, etc. Some provinces have large parades and festivals. Um, the earliest known Canadian Thanksgiving was 1578 when English explorer Martin Frabisher held a ceremony in New Finland to give thanks for surviving his voyage from England. Uh, later settlers and the indigenous peoples both held harvest celebrations throughout the 17th to 19th century. So, is it just the same thing? The same thing, I guess, just when they discovered Canada. I think you got to think of which one ours came first then because I if you come second I think you gota you can’t just throw Canadian on the front of it. Just think of something else. Right. Just Canadian Thanksgiving. Right. We don’t call ours the American Thanksgiving. It’s Right. We That’s our Yeah. Right. Like we came up with that holiday. Now you’re just like, “Well, we have something similar to that. We’re going to call it that.” But our version, right? It’s like come up with a whole new name called Christmas. Isn’t it like Boxing Day they have that sounds familiar? But I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s right. I don’t know that that’s their Christmas. I want to say that their Boxing Day is like um is that the day after Christmas where you like send everything back? We have a pretty big following in Canada. I think we need to brush up on our Canadian uh history a little bit. I do want to say happy Canadian Thanksgiving. I just think they should have had a more unique name. But Boxing Day is is the day after. Okay. But it does. It does say here in Canada, people simply call it Thanksgiving. So there might be a chance that it’s just us calling it Canadian Thanksgiving. All right, I’m going to once we’re done here, I’m going to brush up on all this. I’m going to figure out holidays that are I really only have an understanding of American holidays, and that’s that’s on me, dude. Mac Boucher, you guys follow him obviously on Instagram. Did you see where he was this last week? He was in like the Cabbat Islands. I guess it’s where Cabbat Cliffs is, but like there was this one video and it might be on his Instagram. I definitely was on a story of him driving down this street with like the most autumn trees you’ve ever seen in your entire life. This picture blew me away from him. Let me see it. That one. Yeah. Well, that one’s incredible. But wherever he’s at right now is the most beautiful part of Canada or even just the world that I’ve ever seen in my Yeah. He didn’t put the other one on his freaking Instagram. It’s beautiful up there. He does a lot of stories of like these beautiful freaking He needs to start putting these on his grid, man. He does like these stories. They come and go. That drive if he’s if this gets back to Mac, that drive you took down that road needs to be on your freaking grid, dude. Throw it on the grid. He’s a He I really like his aesthetic. Everything he does, it’s it’s Me, too. It’s a fun Instagram to follow. I agree. He’s a great follow. Plus, like the aesthetic of his game goes with it that he’s like his swing is buttery and he’s hitting all these crazy shots and then that with the backdrop. He’s such a he does such a good job of zooming in. So, you can showcase whatever the background is that he’s hitting into and you can usually see the ball and you can usually like he’s framed perfectly into it, which is hard to do as people that film ourselves playing golf a decent amount. It’s like hard to do and he nails those. It’s impossible to do. I try and do a lot of the same things that like I try and emulate what he’s doing because I like how he doesn’t have to use tracers. You can actually see like if you film Yeah. correctly. You shouldn’t need to use tracers because like if you’re if you’re someone that’s like coming across golf content on Instagram, you should generally know like where balls end up or like like after you’ve seen the first half of where the ball flight is, you should generally get a feel for it. I always think that a lot of people will cover where like the ball goes with a freaking tracer. It’s like you’re just drawing that it you’re drawing with a tracer that just like drew into the middle of the fairway and like you’re just expecting us to believe that. But like if I if I film it in a way where it’s like 3x or 4x zoom and I’m really far back like you could see like oh it went left but like you could see it start to turn right and you’re like you can gather with your own brain and like rational thinking thinking where it’s like all right this is obviously either in the left side of the rough or in the fairway. Like that’s just like how golf works. Um and he does a really good job of that where you’re like, “Oh yeah, that ball did end up there cuz I saw the way it [ __ ] turned. You don’t need to see a tracer on it.” So yeah, I really enjoy it. But the problem is is that like you’ll be out there on your own and I’ve come across this scenario a couple times where you try and do that and you zoom in so much or like you try and get the ball flight that you literally hit a shot and you’ve missed it on camera. Like you’ve missed the shot. I’ve been out of frame because it’s so zoomed in that like all you see is like the ball and like because you’re you don’t when you hit like record on a phone on a stand then you walk 20 cuz you have to walk like 25 30 yards ahead to get that like zoom feature you don’t know if you’re now in place and like if there’s people playing behind you or in front of you. You’re like I have to just like hope that I’m in this frame. And there’s been times where I’ve like hit a great shot and I have to like redo it. I have to like go up to the green, get the ball because then someone’s going to be like, why is there a ball up there? It’s like you’re freaking out. You’re like, I missed the shot. I’m not even in it. It’s I I I I have now played this hole and I missed the second shot that I did not capture my swing. So, it’s a really hard game out there, man, to film this [ __ ] on your own. I’ve done this like 200 times in the last week because we’re like filming a ton of these like nine and 90s now. And it is very funny. You have this concept and like Frankie’s right. It’s actually the farther you put your phone away from you, the better video you can get because you can zoom in more. And when you zoom in more, you can get the golf ball. But the problem is you zoom in and you’re like, hit record and then you walk all the way up there and you go, “Okay, I’m pretty sure that I told myself I needed to put the ball just left of this divot in order to like tee off in the right spot.” And then you think you nailed it. And even if you’re off by like a couple inches from that far back, the angle of it is just a zero. You can’t see anything. It’s a It’s a nightmare. what it’s supposed to be. So, you get up there and you’ve done all this [ __ ] You’ve set it up. Then, you’ve tried to lock in to hit a good golf shot. You hit a shot. You go all the way back to your phone. You start walking up because like here I’m walking everywhere. You start walking up. You look at the clip while before you’re ready to hit the next clip. And then you’re just like, “Shit, that clip [ __ ] sucks.” And you’re just that, oh, that happens. There was one time There was one time that I chipped and it hit the pin and I like did a great reaction. And it probably from like 45 yards out, I chipped it, hit the pin, sat right next to it, and I looked back and the foam was on the ground looking at the sky. It had fallen off of the magnet and it was staring at the sky and it was like, “Well, that’s a birdie. That’s a birdie that I just missed.” Then put it back up, tripped it again, sculled it over the green and played that. So, lost two strokes on my score. I think when we one time when we were filming with Mac, he uses just in terms of like tea boxes, he uses the markers as his lineup point and that was like he said that was like a game changer for him. So I I mean but again once you’re out there it’s [ __ ] hard. That’s a huge one for me. That’s a huge one for me. I’ll tee up the ball as as close to the right tea marker as I can is what I do. Like so I’ll like generally um sometimes though you just like from where you can put the C right like what you can really take advantage of of if there’s um tiered tea boxes so that like the tea box behind you is higher than the tea box you’re teeing off from. Yeah. You could put your [ __ ] phone right in the ground there or on the stand and like get this elevated view that shows the ball every time. But a lot of times it’s like there’s a drop off behind so you know that like you can’t you can’t even go that far behind it and it’s just it is way more annoying than people think. And then plus I’ve still got this older iPhone, dude. So like by the time I’m like four holes into this, my phone’s at like 41%. And I’m just like I played St. George’s and I had to use the pros phone for the back nine. Yep. I used his phone. I’m like I’m sorry I’ve done this to you. Like I actually enjoy playing with someone else though because it is that validity of like this is just my round. Like like I enjoy as long as the other person is okay with me taking so much time to like set up the camera, walk up to the ball, make sure that it’s in frame, and then hit my shot. Like I do enjoy playing with someone else. Like my dad will always be out there or like I’ll play with like the assistant pro at a course that like I’m going to. I enjoy that because like they know it’s a legit round of golf and if a mistake like that happens they know how like innocent it is where it’s like oh my god I can’t believe that [ __ ] camera just fell or like I can’t believe your phone died mid-recording like they know I’m not cuz like I missed like in the St. George’s video I missed like a couple like short putts and he’s like I can’t believe you guys like put that in there. I’m like well that’s just how I golf like you’re seeing it’s like I missed a putt. You almost need and it’s very niche. It’s only for golf content creat when you’re walk Yeah. like like a monitor like they do in movies where like the director just walks around with a monitor of what the camera is picking up. You almost need that and then you just because otherwise it happens what you what you guys are saying. Yeah. I mean because people might be thinking like oh can’t you just film where the can’t you just zoom in on where the ball is and like you just know that you’re going to be in frame. But that’s different like like if you think of anyone that’s setting up a camera shot once the person steps into frame everything kind of changes. like you don’t know how far when I’m looking at a shot and I’m zooming in on the golf ball. I’m I’m like picturing in my head how far away do I stand? And also like where would like the ball flight possibly go? But if you’re someone filming it, like if someone’s with you, they can adjust all that stuff as you approach the golf ball. You’re like, “All right, now like I want to put you more in frame. I want to like angle it down more because now like your head’s like getting cut off.” But when when you try and like guess all that stuff, it is hard. I mean, we’re acting like this is like an impossible feat. I mean, we end up getting it done and it’s like not that serious. Dude, the other thing is like look at how long this iPhone cord is I brought just so I could charge my phone in real time while I’m filming. So, it’s like I literally keep it plugged in. I have this like they have push carts here at Pioneer. So, it’s like I keep the portable charger in that little net basket with this thing hooked up to the bottom of the phone that is on the magnet thing that you can slide in and out of your golf bag. And like it’s just an operation out there to film every shot. It is an operation. Uh, but you know, people watch the [ __ ] out of them, dude. Like they are they they really do well. Like when you think about like, and I know it’s different views, like YouTube getting like 200, 300, 400,000 views. I mean, some of the guys obviously getting 1.5, 2 million views an episode, unbelievably impressive. It’s just like when you post it everywhere, Tik Tok, Twitter, Instagram, like Instagram, when you get like 300, 400, 500,000 views on each one, it is like that’s a lot of people seeing you play a round of golf. So it it kind of gets you going when you’re out there. Like, yeah, it takes a lot. And yeah, like but like for me, I really enjoy the aesthetic of filming like my own way. Like I like to like keep the cat. The biggest thing that I [ __ ] love doing is I keep the stick on the green in the same spot. So when I’m chipping, right? I chip and then I go and putt. And you know if you if you if you know anything about editing or anything, you know that I’m putting legit. I’ve never moved that ball because like as long as the frame doesn’t change, like if that camera’s in the same spot and I’m able to like dissolve myself from the chip to the putt to the next putt, you know that the ball hasn’t moved an inch and I’m putting it all legit all in one try. You know what I’m saying? There’s a lot of people that do a lot of different cuts from like this putt and then another angle from this putt. You can keep bringing that ball back as much as you want. The only time I’ll have to do that is if the wind Dude, I’m such a psycho with it. I’m like, if the wind moved the camera, I’m like, “Oh my god, now I have to show multiple putts from this angle.” It’s like I’m always thinking like the best angle, how can I make it this aesthetic of me kind of like placing my way around the golf course? I enjoy it like like you wouldn’t believe. My issue with that is like a lot of times I just don’t putt it or chip it inside of the frame and then I would just be like putting or chipping from outside of the frame and you’re like, “Well, I got to move it.” And then there’s also a part it’s just like if you don’t believe the premise of this that like you’re just not going to believe it. Like I don’t know what to tell you. It’s like it’s just like I posted a 43 and then I posted a 30 something then you you know it’s just like I don’t know. I’m it’s like if I didn’t want anybody to see anything I would have never posted the 43 if I cared that much. That’s just like that’s just how many shots. Someone messaged me like you did not shoot a 39. I was like brother we’ve been posting our swings in golf for like seven years. I’ve shown you it all. this is just what I played, you know? I just more mean like I love I don’t if you’ve ever noticed these like there I like to dissolve my guy on like like like if I chip and I want to get to the point where I can do where like I’m chipping and then my guy is already on the green waiting for the putt all in the same frame. You feel those? Mhm. Trying to nail it, but you need you need me to be chipping on the right side and me end up putting on the left. So like Yeah. So like basically I would be chipping on the right. The frame would the camera would never move. It’s looking from behind my ang from behind my body looking at the pin. I would chip on the right. The ball would luckily bleed to the left and then like I would walk to the right and then I would putt from the left. So now in when you’re watching it I can chip and then putt like basically at the same time. You know what I’m saying? I do. Yeah. It’s that that would get me rock hard. So, if I ever pull that one off, if the timing ever works, just know I’m rock hard when I’m editing that. Rock hard. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I want to do that for a foreplay. I’ve been I’ve been begging Brendan to do that and we’ve never once tried it where we all tee off on one tea box. Now, this is way inside baseball. We all tee off one one tea box and they edit it so that like it looks like one camera angle and all the balls like all the tracers go at once but it’s not like four different cameras. It’s like you you know how they they do the masking. Yes. All right. Well, you’ll now see that on, you know, another YouTube channel. Golf. We’re doing that the next time we’re together. If you want to see how cool that is, go to another YouTube channel that’s going to pick that up and do it before we do. talk, man. All right. All right. Um, okay. I’ll see everybody Wednesday. Um, you know, anybody want to come out for play people? We’ll see you at Granite Links. Great spot, great venue. I think the weather’s going to be a little chilly, but hopefully nice. A couple rain days and then hopefully nice on Wednesday. So, um, we’ll be out there. We’ll be fighting as hard as we can against the MAF fans, and we’ll see what we get. But otherwise, enjoy the week. Uh, we’ll be back on Thursday for yet another golf podcast. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

On todays’ pod the boys react to the unfortunate news of Tiger Woods undergoing another back surgery, discussing the potential implications for his future. They then shift gears and react to the recent clip where PGA President Don Rea delivered an unexpected rendition of Eminem’s Lose Yourself. As always they discuss much more, including Jerry Jones and the business of sports, Xander Schauffele’s impressive victory in Japan, and brands that they cannot live without.

0:00 – Intro
2:10 – Tiger has another back surgery
15:50 – Why is Tiger so injury prone?
34:50 – PGA president raps Lose Yourself at Ryder Cup
47:50 – Jerry Jones & the business side of sports
1:06:50 – Xander Schauffele wins Baycurrent Classic
1:14:30 – Brands we cannot live without
1:19:25 – Golf & society in Japan
1:30:15 – Jon Rahm taking three months off
1:31:40 – Alistair Docherty update
1:35:05 – Foreman scrable vs. Dallas Stars

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