All the PGA President’s Men: Rea Ryder Cup tapes surface, Golf Advice, & more | The Shotgun Start

Sometimes, things are willed into existence. Following this podcast obtaining footage of PGA of America President Don Rea’s performance of “Lose Yourself” by Eminem, Brendan is first joined by a giddy Andy to discuss this monumental moment in golf history. Andy details his reaction to seeing the “cinema” for the first time and pleads for Don to remain in this leadership position forever. Brendan then brings on KVV for a frame-by-frame breakdown of the nine second video, as well as the rest of this regularly scheduled Friday episode. Brendan, KVV, and PJ recap their Wednesday night consisting of acquiring the video and the ensuing checks and balances to make sure this iconic footage was not produced by AI. They commend Don’s courage and leadership, as he took the reins and lit a fire under Team USA, who won Sunday singles by five points following this inspiring round of karaoke by their fearless leader. KVV highlights some lines of the song that he wishes were on film, but we’re all still hopeful that the full tape will one day make its way to the internet. In non-Don news (yes, that exists!), Brendan shares an unbelievable listener email about The Great Manassero teeing it up at a San Diego muni earlier this week. KVV is enthralled by Beau Hossler’s ayahuasca use and ensuing passion for coffee, leading to a group discussion of which professional golfers would make the best hallucinations while on a trip. The Korn Ferry Tour is looking at a bit of history this week, as Tiger’s season-scoring record is apparently in danger of being broken. This has Brendan out of his mind, awarding the KFT socials with the first-ever “Ragebait of the Week” award. Joseph LaMagna published a wide-ranging interview with Team Europe Vice Captain Dodo Molinari which revealed just how far ahead the Euros seemingly were compared to their American counterpoints at Bethpage Black. KVV uses this, as well as his article about the analytics used by Team USA, as a way to ask why Ryder Cup USA hasn’t pivoted its backroom strategy yet following another defeat. Speaking of the Ryder Cup, Collin Morikawa was popped by a European journalist in Japan about his request for “chaos” from the crowd at Bethpage. Morikawa claimed that his words were taken out of context, and Brendan demands that we stop acting like the American players are at fault for the rowdy fans. Two Golf Advice emails round out this episode, with a debate on how to fix the “crowd issue” at future major golf events and a question about teens hitting into people under the cloak of darkness.

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Greetings and welcome to a Friday edition of the Shotgun Start. It is October 10th. Andy, how are we doing, Brendan? I’m doing wonderful. I gotta say it’s been a it’s been a it’s been a fun day. Just a fun day. I’ve been I’ I’ve lost myself today to be completely honest. Lost yourself. How did you lose yourself in the in the music or the moment or in your golf game? How did you lose yourself? I know I needed to let it go. And I only have one shot. Not two, not three, just one. Just one. Okay. I got to say, you know, when we started this podcast, I didn’t I didn’t expect any any sort of, you know, semblance of uh of a moment. But, you know, getting the Don Rehea uncovery, the the whole Don Rehea saga has and I wanted to come on today and just say we need this man around. Protect him. Protect him at all costs. Um, we we we we did a podcast. You’ve been running ragged. You’ve been in Chicago. You’re in Texas. You’re you’re playing golf. You’re working golf. You’re running ragged. I’m great. I’m doing You’re like, I need a sub tomorrow. I need a sub tomorrow. I did a podcast at KV. And then all of a sudden, you know, [ __ ] calls and this video appears in our lap uh and calls up Robert Redford over there in the form of PJ Bob Woodward. And Andy’s like, “All right, well, like I mean, it’s a seminal moment. Shotgun start history. We’ve had six, seven years of this stuff. You got to come on.” So, we’re doing a little little bit here at the top. Don Ray, a video out singing. Well, I was with one of the boys. I was with uh you know PJ’s on here. I got to spend time with both of the boys individually today. That’s a banner day. You know, I was with Joseph in uh in real life. We were touching grass together in real life. And uh and I said, “I think I’m going to skip the pod. You know, it seems like it’s just not going to work.” He said, “You have to do the podcast tonight. You have to I mean every time I watch the video it gets better. How many times How many times would you guesstimate? I probably 50. Yeah. I mean it’s 9 seconds to be clear. It’s not like the most heavily time investment uh each watch. But uh I just found myself going and opening it up because I have it saved in my phone now. Every couple minutes or like every couple every hour or so. I I mean I just am bummed it’s short. I I’m but I wanted more. There’s clearly others filming. There’s more material out there. This is the tip of the spear. I feel like cuz he’s in like the easy part. I wanted to see how he handled the the the the rapping part, the quick quick jumps. Yeah. Um, what did you guys think? Well, the 9 seconds we have was great. Like good. Surprised. Pleasantly surprised. Amusing. I mean, he’s got a real presence. This man This man demands the room. And I have to say, you know, he has to stay around. We need him around for another year and a half. The other thing I played today that I hadn’t heard in a while was the uh the Sunday senior PGA video. Which one’s that? Where he did the voiceover? He did a Sunday voiceover. God, there’s so much I can’t remember. Well, like Champions are made or something like that or Sunday Pressure. I don’t can’t even remember that. Okay. Uh Joseph brought up a good point. We need to incorporate in incorporate his karaoke somehow into the intro or the outro of this podcast. We will we get clearance rights issues with the copyrighted song on that one. Um that’s not a that’s a decent idea. It’s like it’s a great clip for Don Rehea if I just a net win. All I’m saying is, you know, you can have sort of this the lack of visuals, some disembodied text in a Sunday Times newspaper and, you know, you can blow after the vile abuse of Roy Moy. There he was playing. It’s a great It’s a great video. It’s a win, a net win for for Dapper Dawn. Uh, it’s it’s an incredible show piece. And as I told KV, where others might see a lack of shame, I see a surplus of courage, gumption, and leadership, and the kind of leadership the PGA needs in perpetuity going forward. Let’s be clear, the US played great the next day. Well, there we go. There we go. I mean, now maybe he should have been in a meeting talking about crowd control and what they were gonna do to control the crowd. But you know what? You know what I’ll say? I’ll push back on that. Don Don is a rodeo clown. He’s a figurehead. We don’t need him in meeting rooms discussing substantive stuff. We need him out front singing karaoke and doing dances for the the audience or doing first te announcements. That’s exactly where he should have been. We didn’t need him in meeting rooms discussing the crowd. You know, if you go on YouTube and look up Don Rehea has done seemingly hundreds of podcast interviews. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. He’s everywhere. I can’t believe he was available. I am surprised. Okay. I think he’s got to go on Lunch with the boys to to rehab his image. Rehab? What is he rehabbing from? From the Rider Cub. I I think I think I think we might have rehabbed his image last night. I think this Do you think this was You think he came out a winner from this whole thing? He like kind of crushed it. I mean, it’s clear like Trustree He kind of he kind of nailed it. Trust he has presence. He has he has Would you Would you say he has aura? Uh, I don’t know if I’d go that far, but but he’s matching up with the lyrics are great when he can do the one one shot. I will I will say he hit the [ __ ] out of you only have one shot and he did the finger and he umpire. Yeah, I’ll I’ll tell you why he hit that is that that like goes right into his his voiceovers he did for the senior PGA. just similar like the one shot, you know. This is your moment, gentlemen. This is your This is your moment. All right, gentlemen. Welcome to Congressional Country Club. All right, we’re gambling podcast. I’ll go to both of you guys. Punt it to you. Over under in his lifetime, the amount of times he’s saying lose yourself on karaoke in various karaoke situations. I mean, he clearly seemed to be he hit his beats and knew the show. He knew the showmanship. What are we thinking here? I think it’s I think it’s over one and a half. I don’t think that was the first and only time. Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought we were going like I was going to say 10. Everybody’s got their karaoke song. Mine Mine’s tequila. That’s I mean you just you think you’re so crafty with that. Dons is clearly lose yourself. Well, do you think he goes like I I I I didn’t bring this up with KV, so I’m glad we’re doing it now. How deep do you think he goes into the song? Cuz a it’s kind of long. There’s like four rap verses and then you have the whole intro, which is the part that everybody knows. Like do you think he’s doing the whole five minute song? He clearly said mom spaghetti. Yeah. Well, he had to do mom spaghetti to get to the point that we got to. I just Googled his age and all it is is just articles about footage appearance. It’s just I just wanted to find out how old he was. Like I mean how many He’s in his 50s or something. How many karaoke situations are you finding yourself in? I mean I’m in my 40s. I can’t I can’t remember the last time I was in a karaoke situation. I mean he lives in Scottsdale. That’s got to be like the karaoke capital of the USA, is it not? It’s not even doing a bit. I feel like karaoke is probably weekly karaoke for all we know. That it would be the least surprising thing in the world if he did weekly karaoke. Oh god, that’s Is it karaoke night at Augusta Ranch Golf Club? That’s that’s that could be an issue. That could be a thing. Do Do you guys think we should go to Augusta Ranch this winter? I think you were ready to be done with Don last Friday. You actually declared us done with Don. You declared us done last Friday. Look where we are now. You know what Don said to you? You’re done with me when I’m done with you. We did we did discuss with KVB. Do you think in the 6 weeks before a year in review, do you think Don comes up again? No. Yes, I think he’s done. I think this is we’ve reached peace. Is there any chance he’s like relieved of his duties or or in hot water of any kind? I think he might have been in hot water before this. Um, we appreciate that. I hope not. I I pray to God I pray to God we get another year of Don the the presidency terms two years. I think I honestly I don’t think it’d be a bad idea from a content standpoint for for our podcast if if he was all time. I mean, he’s a complete buffoon and it’d be bad for golf. It’d be bad for the game of golf, but it’d be great for us. But all I know is golf is the engine of good. I mean, I was telling somebody in sports, I was telling somebody that was like very in uh other sports about Don Rehea today and I was like I I he was aware of the RDER Cup situation and I was like this guy went on and said that it it was like a a youth soccer game. I mean the comparison to the youth soccer game and then to sign off with golf is the engine of good is truly at all time inept head in the sand say like speech. I mean it makes the the his performance at the PGA look normal. I as far as I’m concerned it’s the only thing that that’s subject him to real criticism. All the rest can be ridicule, good naturatured amusement. The PJ was terrible about roll back and yeah, I understand. I’m talking about this last 10 days, two weeks that that personal opinion on there is no personal opinion. I’m the president of the PJ of America. What was your reaction when it came through the text when when PJ said, “I think I have excited.” Somebody earlier in the day had texted me, “I can’t believe this video hasn’t surfaced yet.” Right. Right. It feels like there’s other angles. There’s more there’s lengthier. I mean, we we know there’s other angles. It’s just a matter of can we get them. This is good for his image. I don’t think it matters anymore. The other angles we everybody got what they wanted. They got the visual. God, so freaked out that it was AI like we vetted this thing to the hilt. Um, yeah. Well, it was a great day. Banner day. This is the type of news we we live for. Look, I don’t know if we’ll ever break something of more importance than what we did. We yeah we don’t want to break we would rather break something about this than like you know uh live and PJ tour are merging or something. I would much rather be involved in something like this for purpose of this podcast. We will do serious and sacred analysis but terms of having a having a laugh and having fun. This is what we want. I just got a text uh that just came through. You probably heard the I heard the beep beep. Yeah. Yeah. I blame you for having lose yourself stuck in my head all day. Unbelievable click clip. I’m I’m so happy. I finally got the cranberries out of my head, Rory. And now I have this. It’s It’s wiped it out. Cleaned it out. Thank you. I think I’m going to going to listen to the as soon as I listen to the whole song since. Have you guys listened to the whole song since? Yeah, I I last night I had to. I had to just to get it out of my head. I mean, it’s an awesome song. I’m just I’m in disbelief that this happened, truthfully. I mean, we’re we’re like 24 hours removed now. Just there’s nowhere to go from here. No. No. It’s peaked. Should we shut the podcast down? We might maybe should be done with it. Walk it off. Uh, yeah. I never thought this was the way it would go. That from the karaoke news break to then video landing on uh landing on the desk. Incredible turn of events. All right, I gotta go watch my Cubs. Good luck to your Cubbies trying to extend the series to five games. Uh, wish you well. We’re gonna I don’t you know I it’s it we aren’t sure if we can score a run outside the first inning. So, we’ll see how it goes in the first inning and and then we’ll we’ll know how the game’s going to go. Uh we love it. Love glad we could get together weigh in. We’re going to go to KV now where we discuss a little more Don uh a lot more data boys, some more Kawa comments and some golf advice uh for our regular Friday pod. We’ll be back. We’ll be back Monday, Monday morning, Sunday night talking about, you know, everybody’s done pins and needles about the Bay Current Classic. Andy and I will be back Monday to discuss that. [Music] You know, when we started this podcast, I didn’t know where we would go six, seven years ago. I’d spent many places. Uh, one of them was Thursday night when PJ I sent him the clip of Bob Woodward, uh, Robert Redford, RIP, answering the phones and all the president’s men. I said, “This is PJ at this moment.” provide a video of the Don. I know there’s a president named Don. There’s only one in this world with that one. Yeah. The Don Don Rehea performing. It was only a matter of time. The deep state was work works in mysterious ways, but they worked nonetheless. It was only a matter of time before this video came out. And lo and behold, uh it came out via us. uh I guess which is appropriate really since since you know Quail Hollow and uh it’s only 9 seconds. Mhm. Um it’s an incredible piece of uh cinema in my opinion and golf is better for it. Golf is better for Don. Golf is better for this clip. As Garrett Morris and our own aptly tweeted, as I view it, the they were four and a half at 11 and a half before this and then eight and a half to whatever it was. Euros only won one match after this. This is like I don’t know. It’s like the absolute rallying cry. It’s like the speech in Independence Day where the president gets up says, you know, we’re gonna go to the we’re gonna give everything we got. This is that was Rea’s moment. Um, what PJ, Kevin, both of you guys, what would you grade the performance that we got? We have only about 10 seconds. It’s a chorus. How would you were you surprised? Would you do you think it would be more buffoonish? Was it professional? What where are you grading this, Kevin? I think A minus. This was not the first time this man uh did karaoke and then this song in particular. I I I think uh I was kind of impressed. I wish that we had gotten more. I wanted to see him kind of nail a bunch of different lines, which I think he probably did. So, if there’s more deep state video out there that exists, we will continue to stay on top of this. Uh PJ, when you first got it, what was your reaction? I mean, when I first got it, what was my reaction? I was I was stunned that it was I texted I texted you and Andy the video and then nobody answered me. So, I texted Joseph and I said, “I feel like I was just handed the Rosetta Stone. I feel like I just I had it. It was provided to me.” And I was like, “Oh my god.” It was just utter disbelief of having it. Um, I analyzed every person in that video probably like 15 times before I even like sent it off. the woman in the red who does like the Larry David like look into the camera. It might be the best part, but I do have to give Don credit. He like kind of nailed it. Obviously, it’s the chorus to a very favorite famous song, but like the performance itself was pretty good. Uh I particularly like the hands as if he was like giving a speech. He wasn’t really performing. He was more like pontificating. Um he he I I thought you know A minus I feel like is fair for the 9 seconds we have I would agree he killed it and like you said he’s performer because it’s not just the lyrics it’s the hands he’s got the one shot like he’s really dialed in uh I can’t believe when we got this look I mean PJ went to proper journalism school Kevin for god’s sakes was a professor of journalism at his alma mater as you know decade trained journalist. Uh I have none of that training. I think I I hopefully have common sense and enough years working in the industry. The amount of time we vetted this video was kind of embarrassing. And the amount of triple quadruple and this is the world we live in with AI and maybe we still got fooled. It would have been extreme. We did our due diligence on several fronts. It was my kids bedtime and my wife was getting irritated as to why I was sort of negligent and outright absent. what I the way I I couldn’t even begin to explain like what I was doing just that it was kind of important but not really at all important in the grand scheme of things but we did like quadruple quintuple check to make sure it’s real and uh it is real and it’s spectacular um I’ve never been I’ve never been more honored to play like the Ben Bradley role to come in and give the final like journalistic sign off you all right boys you better be right let’s go with this is your moment. Uh, yeah. I mean, it seems like there’s got to be more videos out there. There’s one literally in the clip we have of an individual with his phone or her phone, I can’t remember, capturing Big Dawn. The most amusing part of it, which several people commented on, was like they expected some dimly lit pub or bar and it’s just this blindingly white like just sort of anodized banquet room. Yeah. Yes. Terrible hotel banquet room. Yes. Just inhospitable cold light uh room and Don is just cooking in full view. Um where some needed a fog machine or something. DJ back there with the strobe lights. Yes. I mean where some might see, you know, a lack of shame, I see a surplus of courage, gumption, and leadership. And I think they have no choice but to keep him on in perpetuity in this role given that just trying to pick up the vibes of the whole, you know, everybody’s down at this moment. He’s trying to light a fire under the whole US squad. You know, the fans, the sponsors, you know, all of them. Kevin, you had a bit about which lines wish you would have you wish would have been in the clip. Uh because we didn’t get the full the full rendition. Are there certain maybe out there? Are there certain lines from this classic uh tune that you wish we could we could get a glimpse of? Yeah. I mean, look, some of the hardest lines in the song are the ones where Eminem kind of picks up the the cadence a little bit. The the um and it’s trying to get in hard feed to water my seed plus tea to tart trying to be caught between being a father and a primadana. Like I would have loved to see Don riff off of that one. Uh that would have been, you know, pretty great. I would just want to see the lady in red while he rifted on that part. You know, that lady in red was a mix of like force clap slash, you know, annoyed. But yes, that’s a good one. I love that. I think the number one draft pick for me though is like to try to formulate a plot, end up in jail a shot. Success is my only [ __ ] option. Failure is not. Like, can you if we had that clip, I think it would have like completely melted all of the X app. that would have been that which you know it probably exists. So please if you have that contact PJ on Signal or DMs or you know just I don’t know just tweet at him. Yeah, if you need an encryption an encryption way to find me. Uh I can make an account on the Signal app. Um this this was not via encryption but I’m I’m happy we got it anyway. Yeah, you need to pass through a lawyer to make sure that you’re you know it’s lawyer client privilege. we’ll we’ll pick up that retainer fee as well. Um like there are just to be clear this is fun. We’re having fun. There are no actual real world implications for this. Please like it feels like you know the euros still want to put a spin on it like the vile of treatment of Rory and Erica Mroy and this like I mean honestly like more power to Don for just jumping up there throwing caution to the wind. I’m the leader of this ship. I’m going to I’m going to sing. I’m going to rap. And I I think he’s fine. He You cannot actually real world get him in trouble for this for any reason. You can’t cancel an idiot. That’s I’ve said over and over again. This was I mean, it’s goofy. I’m totally fine with it. Is that fair? Yeah. He reminds me a little bit of like a congressman who gets elected for like a two-year term and figures out like real quick like he’s not gonna get reelected. You know, he knows his terms up. So he’s just like he’s going to live it up. He’sn’t answerable to anybody as long as I mean it would be more embarrassing for the PJ of America to fire him than it would be for him to keep him I think. Although you know he could continue to sort of become fodder for people like us. But you know it this he’s he’s a showman, right? This is how he got got up to be the guy that he is. So this is what he should continue doing. Is this the last he comes up on this podcast until until the year review? I know. I said that last Friday night after the the exclusive all caps in the Times of London about this little bit. I said, “All right, we’re done with Don Rea until your interview.” PJ, I No. No, I don’t think so. No, I just I I said it to you this morning. I said I feel like we’ve reached like peak dawn. It can’t go anywhere from here. But the fact that we kind of willed this video into existence and then we were the ones to actually have it. I feel like I feel like there’s there’s just some meat on the bone somewhere in this that it I can’t even tell you where it’s going to go from here. But if I you know what we got like a month and a half year in review. Um yeah, I like my odds in the next six weeks. I like my odds. Can you I just want to think about for a second the scenario where someone calls him is like Donna I have I have difficult news. A video has surfaced of your karaoke performance. It is no longer just the times of London. The shotgun start has acquired this video. He like puts the phone down solemnly like god damn it [ __ ] What if he’s like did I die to kill it in the video? like video. I mean, he probably what if he’s like sending the video out to be like, “Look at this. This is sweet.” I I think it is good a net win for golf. I think Don is good for golf. I don’t know if Don Empower is good for golf, but Don himself is an engine of good for all of us and leave him alone. Don’t actually come after him for anything. We We will have All I know is golf is the engine of good. That’s all that matters. What’s not the engine of good, which I’m going to This is a whip around Friday. I’m calling this rage bait of the day. This is the term the kids use like stop crashing like little [ __ ] kids sometimes go you know stop crashing out bro you know rage bait that’s rage bait um no I love my kids I just just this is what the what the youth say uh rage bait of the day corn fairy tour the corn ferryy tour tweeted this afternoon I believe it was uh with one event to play Johnny Kefir has a chance to set his new single single season scoring record across the PGA Tour and Cornferry tour. But it won’t be easy at the Tour Champion United Leasing and Fiance. And it’s a graphic of Tiger Woods 2000 and 2007 scoring average of 67.79. Split screen with Johnny Kefir. 2025 scoring average of 67.79. You can’t do this. This is rage bait. You cannot credibly compare Tiger Woods’s 2000 or07 or really any Tiger Woods season to any season on the pitch and putt cornfairy tour. This is complete nonsense. Cornferryy tour needs to be hip checked into the boards and put down for this tweet. This is total bo [ __ ] bogus tweet. I mean, come on. There’s no hint of sarcasm or self-awareness when they put them side by side. This is so disrespectful to the head of the future competitions committee, Tiger Woods. This is so disrespectful. I did not see this tweet, so this this is the first time hearing of this. I’ll slack it to you right now. I’m going to slack it to you right now. I you know that cornfairy tour, the intern who’s running the social media there is probably, you know, maybe it’s not an intern, maybe it’s just a young uh young person trying to make it in the game. Feels like maybe they’re they’re doing their job. It’s probably the most engagement they’ve gotten in, you know, 6 months, a year. Well, they they got engagement here. They’re on our they’re on our radar here. So, yeah, split screen Tiger 2000, Johnny Kefir 25. That’s that’s where we’re going with this. So, that’s my rage rage bait of the day uh for Friday. What I will give you though is is delight of the day. This is whipound Friday. I got an email. This is just one that makes you sort of happy that we all share the same planet. We’re happy we’re we’re we’re rotating around together. We’re all sharing the same space at the same time. Little delight to send you into the weekend. Uh the subject of the email is the great manosero in the wild. Brendan, longtime listener, full-time meal. I don’t need to get into that. All right, this is from Paul. Here’s my story. It’s really my dad’s story. My sister and my 83-year-old father were supposed to fly to DC from San Diego to visit me today. As luck would have it, my sister woke up with 102°ree fever and tested positive for COVID. So, they postponed their trip for a few weeks later. With his travel plans nixed, my dad booked a single tea time at Goat Hill Park, his go-to mun for 3:50 this afternoon. And upon arriving at the GOAT, the starting inform my dad, quote, “You’ll be playing with those guys over there.” You ever heard of Matteo Manisero? I mean, I would have dropped dead. Sure enough, it was the great man, the great one, the great Manisero himself. Needless to say, my dad, an ardent shotgun star and TF listener who at one point in his life lived in Italy for four years and is fluent in Italian, was thrilled with his good fortune. The fact interjection that there’s an 83y old individual fluent in Italian listening to this dumb podcast is a minor miracle. Uh was thrilled with his good fortune after his MC at the Sanderson. Maniserero was in Carl’sbad for a TPI tuneup which many people alerted they tweeted about that. I said, “Oh, I got more details about that more than the tuneup before the Utah event next week and decided to get an afternoon nine in with two of his coaches over nine glorious holes. My dad guided the 20th. My dad got in the 2024 Johnson Workware Open winner with just a great a great bit of qualification winner and his guests around his beloved Muni where the great Manosero casually shot several strokes on below par alternating between English and Italian Manos and my dad carried on a conversation that I wish I could have been a fly on the wall for covering topics from family and kids to the recent Ryder Cup and local courses. There seems to be a trans parenthesis. There seems to be a transatlantic agreement that Tory Pines’s site is incredible, but the course is stinky compared to what it could be. So, a great Manisera himself, proper one of us, proper architectural vine. Long story short, Maniserero was a great guy and treated my dad so well. He and his team were kind enough to take a group photo after their loop. My dad and I were planning to spend a night watching playoff baseball together after his cross country flight. But hearing him enthusiastically relay his encounter with the great manosis made for a heck of a consolation prize. The definitive engine of good has done it again. A loyal listener. What a great email. Uh and we also he got a PS. We have a picture to confirm this is this is true. In fact, now no one’s yanking my chain. In relaying the story, my dad casually mentioned that Matteo’s Danish coach who was also in the group and went by quote Mike played in the 2008 RDER Cup. After reviewing the photo, I quickly deduced it was Saurin Hansen. I didn’t know Saurin Hansen is going by Mike the These days, who shared stories with my dad of teaming up with Westy on Friday and Saturday Valhalla against Boo Weekly and JB Holmes. The third member of Manisero’s group was his Italian speed trainer who my dad helped negotiate strokes off the great menace in the first te based on his local knowledge. You never know who you’ll run into at your local MUN. This is just an incredible story all the way around. Okay, I went to Goat Hill. 83y old guy happens to speak Italian. Throw an Italian out there. I I love that Saurin Hansen in this story is like Ron Mexico like laying low like visiting local munis uh you know maybe maybe dining with the ladies afterwards. Uh, it’s kind of incredible just a story that I kept reading the emails like this can’t be true and there he is. Just a humble manero playing a local mun indulging the locals and the regulars and and having a grand old time. I love it. I love it. He bought like a ball marker or a hat to, you know, wear around stuff like go. So that’s your rage bait of the day and delight of the day. Uh, let’s go to our prompt of the day. Whip around Friday. Uh Kevin, uh can you expound a little bit on a PGA Tour social media post on I believe it was Wednesday afternoon between Bo Hustler and Matt Every who’s now our colleague in the media. He’s regularly on PGA Tour Studios platforms, PGA Tour Live. I thought he was great going PJ Tour live at uh Caves Valley. I listen to him a lot at the BMW. So there’s a video what uh posted the PJ tour. What was in this for the listeners who haven’t seen it? So this post was about Bo Hustler’s uh passion for coffee. Uh and it said uh that Bo Hustler once uh began as sort of a 49 handicap uh in the world of coffee. But after an Iawaska journey uh he had come to sort of find this as more than a hobby that it it turned out to be his passion. And I saw like you know I was kind of thinking PJ tour doesn’t post like a lot of like super interesting compelling content. So, it’s the kind of thing that I would have scrolled right past uh just thinking that it was kind of an advertorial except for like several people were like quote tweeting it be like after excuse me what uh and I was like oh I like wow if uh if you’re not aware of Iawaska uh you know super hallucenic uh thing kind of way beyond uh you know psilocybin DMT uh you know these kind of things that people go to sort of um you know deal with I I think past traumas to deal with uh free their mind. I did a little bit of reporting at ESPN about uh a bunch of exathletes who would go to Jamaica and um take psilocybin to uh sort of kind of help deal with their depression and anxiety and kind of just their feelings of you know sense of loss after their careers had ended. Uh, and a lot of them had done Iawaska journeys. Uh, which is honestly like just speaking honestly truthfully here usually involves throwing up in a bucket and like [ __ ] in a bucket for like seven eight hours while you go on this like super intense like uh hallucinogenic. My family had a stomach bug last week and it wasn’t that long. I’ll tell you it sounds similar but definitely didn’t have the the side effects. Bo Hustler uh as you know most people probably know kind of a fringe uh PGA tour player a 4A player uh you know was a a good college player so a lot of people kind of remember him uh from you know the USM when he had brief little run in the US Open when it was Olympic that year but uh I it did make me think like if you let’s say you spend your whole life you let’s say you’re like a casual listener of this podcast and you finally get up the kind of nerve to go on an Iaska journey to Costa Rica or to Chile or wherever and you you go into, you know, they usually do this in groups of people and you’re you’re hallucinating. You’re going on this journey. You’re dealing with all kinds of [ __ ] You’re unpacking and then you you come out of it and you look across the circle and you’re like, is that Bo Hustler across from me? I can’t imagine a stranger trip of being like like who would be the strangest golfer to see across the circle as you’re done doing Iaska and just not really sure whether you’re still in reality or whether you’re kind of in the spirit world. I think like I mean like Sunjm would be interesting one for me. Uh, Peter Malady. That’s mine. Peppy Peter in a bucket hat sitting like you’re coming out of this whatever hallucinogenic trip. I would almost be certain that I was still in this the spirit world if I saw Bo Hustler there. And because every now and then I’ll have like a dream. I’ll wake up and I’ll be like, I haven’t thought of that person in 20 years. Like, how did they appear in my dream? And that’s how I would feel about Bo Hustler. like not someone who’s like typically at the top of my conscious or subconscious. Uh, and it would turn out that that was actually Bohasser. So, I’m I’m not doing this to make fun of Iawaska because I think this is actually super helpful to a lot of people. I legitimately would do it uh for a story uh with a professional athlete if they were like, “Hey, Kevin, I want to do this. I want you to write about it. I want you to kind of document some of the journey. I’ve been dealing with all this stuff and I want to, you know, seems like Bohasser came out of it being like, you know, it was the first time I was ever proud of my golf. First time I ever felt like I could, you know, be okay with like the loneliness of professional golf pursuits and that I wanted to have something more outside of it. And that’s kind of how he got into coffee. And his friends nicknamed him the Bista, uh, which is, uh, just the perfect nickname for this segment. Yeah. But my final point in this, Brennan, is the the fact that he’s being interviewed in this thing about his IASKA journey by Matt Every uh struck me as perhaps a moment of maturity from the PJ tour, perhaps kind of an evolution of the PJ tour. Matt Ever is the same person who was suspended twice for marijuana use on the PJ tour. And so for them to evolve enough to where not only is Matt Ever uh you know happily employed by the BJ tour to talk to golfers and tell their stories, but they’re talking about Iwasa, which is so far beyond illegal compared to like marijuana. Like you definitely can’t use Iwasa in the United States uh without running into all kinds of various federal crimes. Uh, so like I I kind of am like proud of the PJ tour for basically I’m sure this would have triggered seven, eight, 10 years ago, like a hundred different meetings freaking out about how did we ever let this go out? Who approved this? Like someone’s going to lose their job over this. Now it’s kind of like, yeah, this is like just solid content where we’re opening up about a player who’s, you know, got an interesting story to tell. I thought it was a little better than solid quite hon um like at one all hands meeting he had in August September he’s like you know how do we provide like how do we bring any kind of recognition to the people outside of the top 10 or top the stars even Ricky I this came across as like texture layers to somebody Bo I thought came across like super interesting and super thoughtful, smart, like holy cow, this guy is not just some golf robot or some like it was really like made it furthered my appreciation of hustler. Every as well. Every was like every knew like it seemed like he was meeting everywhere he’s at. Like every I think he had he claimed like uh medical reasons, right? like like anxiety for like his marijuana and and as soon as as Bo said I went to Costa Rica Costa Rica every lit up he’s like oh I was before hustler could even say it was kind of funny um but it was great content that furthered in the end my appreciation whether it was the coffee like his passion for coffee and like try like how he views golf as like it’s not my whole identity how do I get away from it being my entire identity and how I feel about myself it’s like really good content I want to try this coffee. It sounds delicious. Yeah. Yeah. I loved I came away like loving both of these guys a lot more or appreciating both of these. I don’t know if love’s too strong a word. Um PJ, do you have a player if you were you will never take Iawaska. I’m pretty sure of it. If you were coming out of it, there’s somebody in the circle across the way. I think honestly like an old guy like what if Jeff Slumman was sitting there across like away you’re like am I still on drugs or what’s going on? Jeff Slumman. Is that Jeff Slumman? Uh PJ, is there someone that that would really just there’s no way I’m I’m coming to? Well, the first person I I thought that I would maybe like hallucinate something of like in my trip that if he appeared in front of me, I I truly wouldn’t know is like somebody completely like Pendy. If Pendy was just sitting in front of me as somebody that is like in my general consciousness but I’m not thinking about often. Like I feel like if Taylor Pedrith was just in front of me, I truly would not know whether my subconscious who loves Taylor Pedrith just came up with this or if he was just absolutely sitting in front of me right now. I feel like it could be very dangerous territory for Peach cuz like a lot of ex aathletes are getting older. Like what if you woke up and like there’s all these like aging Mets around like guys that you had just you know not thought of in many years. memory hold like Colin Calgill is just sitting in front of me. It’s like, “Hey man, you hit a grand slam on opening day one time. I’m talking to like a wall. There’s nobody there.” That would be a great one. That would be a great one. Good. Very good. Uh what else is good is going to Club Champion. What What a transition from Myawaska to Club Champion, our sponsor for the day. You go to club champion.com/fr and use the promo code fried egg. get a free driver or iron fitting with a club purchase using that code. You get a free driver or iron fitting with a club purchase when you use the code Friday at club champion.com. Uh they have studios all over the country and internationally. I don’t know if they have them in Costa Rica. They might actually have one. There’s golf courses I think in Costa Rica in addition to Iawaska. 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So, you know, he he was like, this can’t be how far I’m hitting the ball, right? Like this is this is inaccurate. No, no, it’s probably pretty accurate, but let’s just, you know, let’s see if we can increase that a little bit. So, yeah, it was it was great. He was singing along to Springsteen as he was, uh, you know, getting fit. It was a good good energy, good vibes. Good, good, good. club champion.com/fried egg. Promo code is fried egg. Um, by the way, Springsteen, we might have a little bit of a a fun newsletter segment coming tomorrow about, you know, if players were in Don Reyes shoes, what songs would they sing in karaoke? So, check out the Friday golf newsletter for that. Uh, all right. Let’s let’s get back into a little bit of a RDER Cup chat. We did, you know, in addition to the Rhea interview or the REA, I’m sorry, the Rhea video, uh, Joseph had, I thought, a great interview with Dodo Molinari. And I mean, I’m not just here to talk about our own content. If somebody else had done it, I would talk about it, too. I thought there were several newsy bits coming out of it. you know, some of it expected, some of it expected in sort of agonizing ways if you’re an American fan or an American part of the operation. But I thought it tied into an article you wrote, Kevin, in like two two days after the RDER Cup about like what’s the deal with the data operation or the analytics operation in in on the US side? Does you know, outline the piece? I I don’t want to put words in your mouth. I I could but outline the piece of what you wrote. So essentially what it felt like to me was whatever you think about the data side of the US either they’re being completely outclassed by the Europeans or they’re not being listened to by the American sort of captaincy. Like the last two Ryder Cups feel like they’ve made that clear like with some curious pairings, some odd choices for captain’s picks. like they’re just getting their circles run around them and I if I were involved in the data side, if I were, you know, Scouts Alliance and they kept ignoring my advice and getting their asses kicked like this in embarrassing fashion, I would want to be like, “Yo, we are not putting our names on this stuff anymore.” Like, we can like enter into stuff with football, with basketball, with baseball, whatever. Hell, we’ll even help out like, you know, LBGA people or whatever. We we’ll help out golfers individually, but we are not going to be associated with this Ryder Cup stuff anymore. And I don’t feel like that’s happened. Like there’s been no, you know, maybe this will happen sort of privately behind the scenes, but every RDER Cup you get these kind of like glowing pieces in mainstream media about like check out the nerds, the stats nerds who will help deci decide the Ryder Cup. Yeah. And there are kind of glowing things written about Jason Aino and his ex-military background and how he’s all these applied sciences and analytics we’re sort of applying towards the Ryder Cup team. And I’m sort of like where are the results? Like literally the caddies are making up the pairings in the cold tub room late at night. There’s no like seems to be actual like application of this data. And I, you know, I talked to some people who were kind of in this world and they were sort of like, look, it seems like either they’re not providing the proper data for the Americans or they’re not getting like real buyin from the American side that the Americans aren’t actually like, okay, like we get it. Uh, and then a couple people talked to us was like, maybe they’re just giving them way too much data. Maybe they’re kind of overwhelming. Keegan’s looking at like a you know gigantic 50page printout of uh you know potential things and oh yeah like these these holes are dog leg rights so we definitely need to pair Colin Morawa and you know Harris English and this and it’s just like all right we’re overthinking this but the Dodo interview that Joseph did just clearly made it obvious that the Europeans are just so much further ahead not only from the statistics that they have but from the way that their players are like yeah we trust you feel like you guys know what’s up. And I just feel like, man, if I were the task force or if I, you know, all these people who want Tiger Woods to come in and be the Rder Cup captain and save the US, Tiger’s like one of the most anti-data people ever. Tiger’s going to come in and be like, let’s just hit the shots. This is just ridiculous. Like, who do you who do boys want to play with? Like, let’s let’s go out there and kick their asses. Uh, so I would not think at all that Tiger is the answer if you are like a data person. And if that’s the case, maybe that’s maybe that’s fine. Maybe the US can’t handle that aspect of it. But man, it just sure feels like, you know, we can joke about the stuff with the shampoo and, you know, all this, oh, the Europeans do all this stuff and boy, if the Americans did that, we’d mock them. True, but it just shows that the Europeans have kind of thought of everything and are carving out the margins in like the 2% area of can this make a difference. They’ve already nailed this course [ __ ] so now they’re going to focus on shampoo because it’s all that’s left to really mine the differences. It’s a good point. It’s a good point. I you know in the interview, credit to Joe Dodo with like a lot of these data guys like yeah when you work for a team or you are an official capacity you are very buttoned up like you can’t really say much. I would say he pretty unmistakably came out and said, you know, sending Harris and Kora out there again a second and Joseph did a great job of asking him like, yeah, not leading him like, hey, can you rip this decision? Like he just asked like, what surprised you? Dodo comes out and says, we were surprised in a good way about the course setup like in a good way. They played they played they set it up, you know, to even the playing field when we in spots we thought we were a disadvantage in terms of mowing the rough down and then it’s like and then they mowed it down again on Monday of Rder Cup week and we were even more ecstatic and so they brought it into a high variance putting contest. He like kind of affirms that putting totally totally random. You know, he said the Morawa English pairing like look I get you got to play you want to try and play everyone but you probably you know they get their ass handed to them. I’m paraphrasing. You didn’t say it like that. We would not have sent them out again. So, if we’re down 3-1, I would not send out the same pairing. Same situation, right? And the same with pairing Bryson and and Scotty and fourball, right? Where you’re like putting the two best players together where where it’s it’s not all shot, but it’s four ball and you’re loading up and Bordoto is sort of like he he react like, “Oh, you put me in a tough spot there, Joseph.” But no, no, that’s not that’s not an ideal situation. And you can kind of like there could be a rebuttal to Dodo on that. Like there could be different data. I think we’re at a point now where where there’s a certain amount of difference or trust in what Dodo’s approach is. Mhm. My whole thing with your piece on the on on like how they’re utilizing this the data or if the data is bad is like being a data boy is kind of like a a glorif glorified existence. It’s kind of a win-win situation. And I don’t accountability for you, right? I don’t mean this like part of the reason I got into media is like I was read fire Joe Morgan like refresh it non-stop in the horrible parallegal job like you know chain to my desk for 100 hours a week I would loved reading about like analytics guys just ripping these idiot old school columnists who like heart and grit and guts like I come I’m of the era where I appreciate analytics but if you’re a data boy one there’s almost no transparency into like your model or your insight like we can’t ask to see that. Two, if we could very few people are smart enough to understand it, critique it, evaluate it in any way. So to say this is bad, this is poor, this is good. Like you’re not going to get some columnist for the Fort Worth Star Telegram going up to like this MIT guy saying like this model sucks, but thanks for letting me look at it. like that there’s just there’s no transparent rightfully so. You’re not going to show your work for this kind of stuff. Then like so you can’t check it. If it doesn’t work out, you can claim like, well, we don’t hit the shots. High variance. Yeah, they didn’t listen to us. We didn’t hit the shots. And it it’s not predictive. It just is like there’s kind of a there there’s I don’t know if it’s no accountability, but you can kind of get away with never being the fall guy or never being wrong. Is that fair? It’s a great spot to be in. Totally fair. I also think like part of the problem in some of this is how kind of like lay persons and I would include myself in this have come to kind of view data as like oh gospel like this is like totally we should this shows that the US like screwed up so bad you know I’d had a conversation with the data golf guys at the runner cup and they were they would be happy that I was you know sharing this that they were basically like we’re very uncomfortable with people basically like pointing to our models and be like, “Oh man, the Americans really [ __ ] up.” Because basically that’s not what we’re saying. We’re saying like this is what the data shows. This maybe gives you like a 2% advantage. Nothing in that that the players do is going to over like will overcome that every time like the players are always going to be ultimately what makes a difference. Now you can say like did the US put themselves in the best position statistically to win? not necessarily according to our model, but that doesn’t mean necessarily that the US like completely screwed up uh or whatever. But it it is it’s just super annoying to me, I think, how there’s just like you the answer is always, oh well, you know, we could show you that we were right, but that’s proprietary. Like at least State of Golf is like here’s our model. We’re happy to share it for you. Like take take it for you what you want. Don’t take it as gospel, please. But you know, you can say that this is good or bad and we might be right, we might be wrong. I just I’m baffled by how it’s become like a religion for some people and you you you see this in like other sports too. It’s like well they’re a bad baseball team because they’re like exit velocity is is pitiling like what I mean what do you mean like do we should we just not play the games anymore? I’m not trying to be a lite here, but there is just and and we defer to it. Especially in golf, we defer to it like this person is better at golf because of this strokes gain metric or this, you know, uh his Pentagon chart, you know, the Pentagon chart. And like we, you know, you’re considered sort of a an ignoramus or a caveman. She said like, well, this guy won more bigger events. I kind of think he’s better even though his Pentagon might not be as good, right? And and it’s just really hard to check and that that’s my thing is it’s impossible to know and yet we put so much stock and deference in it and and I don’t know it’s an interesting conversation. I appreciate like [ __ ] it makes talking about golf much easier. That work makes it like you that provides amazing context to understand like who might be playing well, who is kind of smoking mirrors or something. But yeah, it’s been it’s been hugely additive. But that’s what I what I took from your piece on on on the data operation for the US. Yeah. I just don’t see I mean look I in fairness I’m just sort of like kind of calling out people who don’t get called out very much you know and that’s where I’m like hey you know like if if you this is your opportunity like when when you know frankly like Jason Aino’s war background kind of made me think of this but like when it goes bad in battle the general comes home and he resigns like he tells the joint chiefs or the president like hey I did not do the the job here and So, I’m going to step down to sort of retain some of my honor or because like I I failed you. That didn’t seem to be happening uh at the moment. The US Rder Cup team just kind of keep rolling back with Scouts Alliance. I maybe they’re getting a kind of a 30% off deal. Scouts whatever consulting team. I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe they’re using a discount code. I don’t know. Fried egg all caps. Um yeah. No. Anyways, have you heard much since you wrote that on the record that you would you don’t need to like go into like because it was an interesting sort of lay it put put your cards on the table type proponent. Yeah. Nobody from like you know scouts responded or anything but you know a couple people from the data world were like yep like this is spoton. Thank you for writing this cuz they I think have some concerns skepticism about what’s going on over there on the American side as well. Uh, one thing I don’t I do have concern and skepticism about is uh they’re trying to put the blame on Korakawa for fan behavior over at the Bay Current Classic. Uh, the questioner, interestingly enough, had a an accent from across the pond, which seems to be they’re just like a dog with a bone. Uh, suggesting like, do you bear responsibility for saying we want absolute chaos at the at the Ryder Cup? PJ, do you have the clip from from the Bay Current Classic? Hi, Colin. Um, you said before the RDER Cup that you wanted the fans to go crazy and you wanted there to be chaos. Um, do you feel that the way that the fans behaved crossed the line and do you feel any responsibility for the way they behaved or regret what you said before the competition? Well, I I think we’ve taken what I said a little out of context. You know, I think he doesn’t even need to answer this. Ryder Cups are meant to have a lot of energy, right? And I I think me saying the word chaos, I I didn’t mean for them to be rude, right? So like that’s not on on me, I believe, for me to take credit for people being rude. I think what I meant was like I wanted energy, right? You wanted people to be proud and be proud of the country and the countries they’re rooting for. Um so I I don’t think you know me saying one word everyone listened and then I don’t think I have the power to do that you know amongst people. I think pe fans can can do and say what they want sometimes and and it it probably crossed a line out there um and you know it wasn’t in my groups but definitely you know what what people were hearing. So I would say you know yeah it’s there there’s a line that needs to be drawn I believe. But I think that’s what’s so different and unique about golf is that we hear nearly everything what people say because people have access to be so close to us. Um, you look at a lot of other sports, you don’t really hear much. You know, things are said, but golf has that different aspect to it. So, I think we have to learn how to find that that division um of what’s appropriate and what’s not. Just totally not claiming responsibility. Just completely washing his hands of the situation like he shouldn’t. I’m sorry. Like he’s just trying to play a fall event at the Bay Current Freaking Classic and he’s asking if he should bury responsibility for like someone saying something horrendous about someone’s wife or OMPic or something a few weeks ago. When you said uh when you said on my signal unleash hell, did you bear responsibility for the massacre that occurred afterwards? Um, I I love our friends in the English, Irish, Scottish media, but this is such a dog with the bone thing for them. They just love to rub it in, rub the salt in and basically be like the Americans are the most horrible people on earth. And listen, there’s some evidence that they might uh that they could build a case in that uh fashion. But this is not like Colin Mau Marau does not bear responsibility for like people in Long Island. Uh PJ, how many people in Long Island who are at that RER Cup even know Colin Marqawa is? Would you say 60%. Yeah, I’d say under. Yeah. So I just I mean it’s part and parcel with the Rehea. Like why is he sitting karaoke after the vile abuse? Like I I his quote about I didn’t hear that. It’s the same in Rome. Bad, not good. worthy of scoring karaoke. Not uh K Marow, if you thought he was suggesting this is what he wanted, you’re an idiot. And that shouldn’t have been a question he had to deal with at all. I honestly feel a ton of empathy for him to have to sit there and say like, “Yeah, I mean, obviously by chaos, I didn’t mean we should call like so and so, you know, names and and stand over the It’s just I don’t know. It feels like if we overwhelm the entire Ryder C cup discourse talking about Brooklyn still talking about Sure. You know, and they’re going to do this now for 20 years. New Long Island’s going to be used for 20 years in my Oh, for sure. It’s the new Brooklyn. It’s this will absolutely be like, you know, we will 1,000% here for Hazeline Olympic through all the next four or five Ryder Cups in the United States. Do do you worry at all that there’ll be a repeat of uh Beth Paige? Uh over at the Bay Current Classic, Max Grazerman’s your leader with Bud Collie and Brian Campbell. Brian Campbell could go three- win season or three- win year. Kind of incredible. Nico Hoygart just straight from Long Island to Mississippi to Tokyo. Kind of an incredible month for him. Uh is one back. Uh the big hitter Xander Colin Max Windham Clark I guess would be your four headliners. They’re whatever middle of the pack uh on the DP world tour where there is a mast’s exemption up for grabs. Our guy Yugo Yugo could be coming to Augusta. Ugo Kusaw the Frenchman is winning the Spanish Open at the minute. Marco Peni uh continue his continues his amazing year along with Freddy Lacroy. Another sparkling opening round for Lacroy. He’s at five under. H can’t say it. PJ, don’t laugh at me. But Yugo Cousell, that’s your Spanish Open check-in. Jam Ram had an underwhelming round. Lowry underwhelming as you can imagine, exhausted probably, but uh that’s your Spanish Open check-in. LPGA’s in Shanghai where the Greens appear to be just an absolute disgrace. Absolute disgrace. Uh piece of noting ball marks over there. What was what is the cause of the the thing? I saw the picture that was in our slack. I I I we hate putting like supervisors and maintenance people in the cross like it’s it’s imposs it’s a thankless job at times pays well but um yeah it just looks like they lost the green duck a trough in it’s just yeah it looks like you know Billy Ho doing his snake broccoli cauliflower stuff at Chambers Bay in 2015 doesn’t look good but that’s your Shanghai open uh it’ll change by the time you listen to this anyways Uh KFT is just getting started as well. So that’s your current check-in. Let’s go to uh golf advice. Uh SGS golf advice. I would say nothing’s going to get better than that. Matteo uh Matteo tidbit from the goat hill, but uh let’s go to one from Robert power private course. Actually, I I had a Ryder Cup one that’s going to lose uh lose relevance if we don’t talk about it soon. We just talked about the fans with uh Colin. This is from Andrew. 34, two kids, no interest in fighting except about social media influence or culture. Thought this could be a fun discussion topic for Ryder Cup cleanup pot. Uh, I s golf channel talking about whether Beth Paige should lose the 2033 PGA because PJ PJ’s soft spot for PJ. Sorry. Whether Beth Paige should lose the 2033 PGA because the fans are so poorly behaved. It made me think that it would make sense to try to identify the sources of the bad fan behavior. Obviously, booze is a big one, but they won’t turn off that cash cow. A lot of ineffective hurl at Rory and others seem to be coming from someone trying to feel big in an anonymous crowd and go viral or just impress other chuds on social media. See, for example, the video Andy posted of Rory Yeah. slur while recording himself doing it. Andy and Brennon have mentioned this before, but among the things that makes the master so special to attend is the no phones rule. Obviously, a big part of the good patron behavior at Augusta is a severe penalty for misbehavior, which probably can’t be replicated by other events. I would agree with that. But maybe the phone piece is part of it and would be worth trying elsewhere. The Rder Cup seems like a perfect tournament to try to copy the Masters and go phone free. It would elevate the specialness of attending because you wouldn’t see influencer style social media videos of people on the grounds. And it’s only every other year, so it could be a trial balloon. There are obviously logistical challenges, but I think the upside would be worth it. Maybe the sponsors would hate it. Hate that it would cut into their pro opportunities, but I don’t think AT&T and IBM aren’t happy with their IO ROI at Augusta. What do you think, Andrew? Uh KV, I’ll punt I I’ll toss to you first here. I you know I was reminded of uh you know 10 15 years ago when cell phones were not as kind of prominent in the world and that you actually did have to check your cell phone like I can remember going to congressional and like yes yeah you got to put it in a locker there or whatever because a bag or something yeah because you know they didn’t have like a way to turn off your ringer quite as the same way then and and golf officials and you know cell phones have become so ubiquitous in our lives that it’s a different world now to try to do that. I don’t know. Like I think I think it would be worth trying uh at a you know a US Open be like hey it’s phone free Friday at the US Open. Like you want to come don’t bring your cell phone whatever. What is funny though is like there’s so many things now that are like run through your phone. Like you can’t even get paper tickets anymore to go to some of these events, right? It’s all through your phone and where you not only that you how you get your parking you know to there. And I just think it would take a pretty bold leap for some place to try and do it. I just don’t know that I quite get there on like it’s all people trying to do stuff and film themselves doing it. Like a lot of the people doing what we saw at the Ryder Cup or just, you know, thought that they were kind of like helping the US like thought that they were sort of part of the team by the whole upholding New York’s reputation is a tough place to play. Uh, and so I don’t know that like a lot of those guys really gave a [ __ ] about whether it was filmed or not. I think that some of the examples that we saw, it was easy to point to that and be like, “Oh, these guys are just part of that, you know, influencer culture.” No, some of them are just [ __ ] Like some of them are just basically doing it because they actually want to get under Royy’s skin and they think he’ll miss a shot because of it. So I I It’s the Masters. Suie generous. It’s one of one. We know that like you just can’t like it’s it’s took 20 years to scare the Jesus out of you like you break your rule like to to get everybody in line. I think it’s so impossible to replicate. It’s so I mean you could attempt to do it. I where I fall is I’m not sure the Ryder Cup wants to do that. I think they love seeing all the content that spews forth of the first T and sometimes there’s you know blowback for that. There’s collateral like catching the the MC woman saying Few Rory cuz there was a phone there. Mine, sorry. Uh that that caught them on video. You cancelled that. I did. I I got some insight of we got some background about like how the PGA was like totally hung her out to dry like which is like totally expected. They’re like they’re going to pin this all on you. She was supposed to be on TV and not doing that job I guess and they switched it at the last second. It’s like didn’t Anyways, she’s got a fulltime job. It was just I did laugh at her like explanation. It’s like I was asking it like it was a question like [ __ ] Rory. So, but just putting a question mark on it that makes it okay. [ __ ] Rory. Yeah. And we I got I got a note from a woman listener who I like a lot who’s awesome and I appreciate her perspective saying like you know you’re like this was a misogynistic like um cauldron and like there was misogyny like probably in like when they were hurling stuff at the wives like of course sure but she had the microphone and she had the voice she opened the mouth and she said And there has to be like you can decide not to do that. No one put like made her do that and so there’s a responsibility for that. Do I feel I feel like you posted that video and like stone this woman. This is just absolutely unacceptable. You just shared it and was like huh. Yeah. I thought it was a little surprising and and so like did was she put in a position to fail in a shitty spot by the PGA and like got like into this weird air? Yeah, of course. But like at the end of the day, you still say it over the microphone and we have to like there’s like responsibility for some of that stuff. And I just don’t think the Ryder Cup or PGA is interested in cutting off content, cutting off promotion, cutting off like third party social media stuff coming from their own event. I have noticed like there have been a lot of uh takedown notices from a lot of the videos of like where Rory’s screaming f you f you and that may be coming from like people in Europe and people on the player sides but uh I don’t think the Ryder Cup would be interested in this and in seeing their less sort of viral moments from their event. I think the only real solution to this problem is to get more tickets in the hands of like golf fans, people who grew up with golf who were like, “Hey,” and I I’m sure that will come across a little bit elitist, but nobody who like grew up playing with golf and having their their mom or their dad be like, “Be quiet when other people were talking about keep up with play is going to be screaming like, “Fuck you, Rory.” while he’s over the ball. Like the idea of doing that when my parents sort of drilled into me like this is how you act when you’re on a golf course. Yeah. The way that I’ve like, you know, subconsciously drilled it into my own kids. I just think if you had to buy your tickets through like a PJ professional or you had to like actually show some sort of like connection to the game instead of just like, “Yeah, it’s a good fun sporting event. Let’s go to I think that would probably more golf fans would probably be better behaved while also being excited for the Americans in those moments. Um, is like I think the phone thing is pretty unrealistic. Is it more unrealistic on the alcohol front to like suggest that there’s some sort of PJ’s shaking his head? Yes. It’s totally unrealistic. Is that what you’re think? Well, you know, I hypothetically speaking, next time around, maybe maybe at next year’s PGA at Arterom. I I personally would not sell specialty cocktails with noise making devices attached to that. Yeah. Well, that was a, you know, again, a lack of critical thinking, but uh I No, you’re not you’re not getting out of the alcohol business. Come on now. They got 97 different Bill Hill is a is an alcohol sponsor. They got a thousand. They have official ticket sponsors, but they got more alcohol sponsors. There’s no way. PJ knows this. The biggest cheer that we heard on uh Friday is when the the alcohol sales open up. People counting down going to worldc clock.com counting down from 30 to get at 8:59 until 9:00 a.m. People just want to booze. I uh Yeah. You think people would not come to the Ryder Cup if they said like you there’s no booze from until except for 12 to 4 or or a limit or something? No, it’s I think people still come. I think some people would be less enthusiastic, but then if you’re limiting it to like 12 to 4, people are really going to get after it from 12 to 4, right? Sure. I would hand up um if I were a civilian some had a day off. I uh All right. So on the balance booze or like filming yourself for viral moment more responsible not not exclusively but booze probably right. Probably booze. I I just think like the PJ tour might be like yeah you know like things were kind of great like we made a lot of money. We got in the news. He continues like our president’s singing karaoke and various niche podcasts he’s popping up on. Like why? This is great. Why Why are we upset about this at all? We’re the stepchild of the four majors. Like anything that can continue to keep our name in the conversation is great for us. I totally agree. They have they have I I don’t want to say they don’t care if they win or lose. They obviously like probably want to win, but we talked about this after. It’s just this like third-party organization with zero connection to the players and they drop in for three days and then they leave and they and the PGA makes a [ __ ] ton of money on their hospitality and having this event that’s fallen into their lap and yeah, that might be their position at this point. So, uh PJ, you agree? Booze more than phones. I think so. But then you also have like the the younger demographic who are using the phones more than the older people. I would say the the the people my age and below. If you’re like, you know, 16 to 26 who are half of that demographic can can drink legally at least. But then all of that demographic can use their phones to try to go viral on Tik Tok. So, I think that is a much more constrained group who’s actually using the phones to kind of clip farm. Yep. Yep. Um, okay. One more. Uh, get get us to the weekend. Private course power dynamic. 27year-old male. No interest in fighting. My friend was a greenskeeper at a private club in the area. And one of the benefits of the job is you can play the course while it’s closed on Mondays and bring a guest occasionally. It’s a very highly regarded top 100 club. Don’t say in the name of the course on the podcast, but for your purpose, it it was blank. Sorry, almost did a Ron Burgundy there. Top 100 Club. It is a It is a nice one. My friend asked me to play with him more than play with him there one afternoon and I’m obviously excited to join him. We decided to go off on the 10th T because it’s later in the day and wouldn’t be able to play all 18 holes. At the 15th TE, we join up with two kids who are members. I would say probably maybe kids of members. I think they were freshman in high school. So, yes, probably not the members themselves. I would guess they seem like pretty pretty typical kids of wealthy country club parents, but nice enough. We don’t mind playing with them. However, on the 17th T, it’s starting to get dark and we’re rushing to get nine holes in because we’re waiting on a group ahead of us. The member kids start hitting balls into them off the tea. I guess to send a message to speed up. I say something short, questioning what they’re doing, but they seem pretty set on it and keep going, and I keep my mouth shut. The group in front of us, by the way, is workers at the club rather than members. After the kids hit maybe 10 balls into them, the fairway is clear and I hit my T-OT and play the hole. When we go when we got to our approach shots, the group being hit into was on the green and came over to confront us. Understandably, they were fired up and said some things implying they wanted to fight us. Nothing ended up happening and we finished the route, but afterwards made sure to steer stay clear of them in the parking lot. My question is, what is appropriate to do here in my situation? These kids are obviously putting the people ahead of us in danger and I would normally intervene so nobody gets killed or hurt. However, being the guest of a Greenskeeper, I felt what I could say to members is pretty limited or members kids pretty limited even though they’re much younger than me. Should have should I have interfered more? Anyways, I don’t want to do anything where a member would complain about my friend and have it affect his job, but I also don’t want to get anyone hurt. Uh, by the way, my friend who invited me didn’t hit any balls into them, but didn’t do anything to stop them either. Interesting sort of sociological experiment here. Um, it’s it’s a tricky one. I think I think hitting 10 balls. I didn’t pick that up on the first reading. 10 balls feels like a there’s a stopping point in there somewhere where you’re an adult and some little piss ant 14-year-old uh members kid. I I I totally respect this guy not wanting to get his friend in trouble. Like I think that is where the sort of social contract gets tricky. Um but I think somewhere in between like two and 10 I would have said like stop. This is not okay. Kids sound like some 80s movie villains like older brother in Goonies or something. I like uh I think I would in that situation I would probably say to the kids like oh dude I I’m sure like you want them to speed up but I was on a golf course once and some guy just got took one in the head and it was just blood everywhere. It was awful. like, you know, I would just tell even if it was totally made up, I would tell a story like that and just be like, I would hate to see that happen. Like, you know, you don’t want to like mess somebody up. And if the kids still went ahead and be like, “Yeah, [ __ ] off, old man. Like, you’re we’re hitting some more balls into them.” Then I think I’d probably be like, “All right, well, I’m just going to pull the rip cord here and you guys go ahead and play in uh I’m going to, you know, wait it wait it out and play this one in the dark.” Uh, you can’t win in that situation, though, with the spoiled rich kids. It’s like you’re they’re going to they’re used to like having whatever they want. So, they’re of course not going to treat the workers right. I mean, there’s right and wrong. And this was wrong to keep hitting or to hit at all. I think if you’re on the right side here, and this maybe no longer true in in the world we live in, but if you’re on the right side of like you are literally putting someone in danger, there’s another way to tell them to hurry the hell up or get out of our way. I think if you say something and there something blows up, it becomes a larger situation. The club is probably on your side. Should be on your side. The parents, I would think, would be on your side, though. You never know. Don’t be mean to little Tommy or I own half of this state. You’re being mean to my little Tommy or who? Joey. I I like if I were the parent I heard my kid was doing this, I would be on your their side and my kid would, you know, not be allowed to eat for two and a half months. No, I’m kidding. like break their clubs over your every single club over your your knee in the parking lot to teach them a lesson. I think you’re in the right and so but there’s the whole like the Greenskeeper guy was not speaking up. You are the guest of the non-member employee. Yeah. And so you’re in a tight tough spot. I think the Greenskeeper in that situation needs to step up. like he every greenskeeper I think at a private club has some unless this is like the assistant to the assistant greenskeeper. Maybe that’s what I’m reading when he doesn’t say super. So maybe it is like a yeah assistant or a lower level person. I don’t know. But I think if I were an employee of the club, I’d probably want them to be like, “Hey guys, let’s hold up for a sec.” Like just just let them in. Like we’re you know, it’s just going to be cause of a worse issue if you hit hit them and then they want to fight afterwards. Or if they’re your co-workers, like other workers at the club of some sort, you yell at them ahead like, “Hey, you got to get out of the way or you got to move. We’re trying to get instead of just letting them rain balls into them.” So yeah, I think you step up. You don’t let it go for 10 holes. 10 balls is a lot of balls. Like what do they Yeah. Talking through a rules dispute on the 18th hole there. Like I I feel like 10 balls. There’s got to be some something’s lost in translation there. Yep. Yep. That that does it for golf advice. Anything else, Kev, you want to get off your your chest before we go to the weekend or anything you want to talk preview or anything like that? Um, no, I think I’m good. What a what a delight it is to be here to talk uh karaoke and IA, one of my favorite uh favorite weekly podcasts. Uh whip around Friday. That does it. Enjoy your weekends everybody. We will be back with you on Monday to talk about the Titanic Clash at the Bay Current Classic. Talk to you then.