It was an amazing experience because Sjaki wanted to be a big part of the team, but he also wanted to be a big part of the drivers. He always took I think all his drivers bar one driver to Alton Park and it was a you know full escort Qusworth or whatever it may have been. I wonder who that one driver was. Yes, I wonder who that one driver was. Yes, he’s his son’s doing quite well at present time. Yes, staff and said no, I’m not going. And I think that was where Sjaki sort of said that guy will never drive through here ever again. And he didn’t. That period was so nice to be there with reasons obviously Ruby’s Racella and then of course then Nurburg you know myself being able to get that win and then Ruth was on the podium at the same time and the celebration we had on that podium as well was just a lovely lovely Toy.

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I'm curious if Jackie ever gave Reubens or Johnny a Ken Tyrrell froth job …..