Rick Lamb is Tony’s guest this week. Rick shares what the past year has looked like for him, adjusting to COVID-19 and how he utilized the pause in the season, and what they’ve been focusing on and what the next three weeks will look like before starting the Tour.
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[Music] Hi, this is Tony Rogerro, the douche sweeper. You’re listening to the Tour Coach podcast, giving you insights into golf instruction at the highest level. From on the PGA Tour to our learning center at Frederica Golf Club. [Music] First time I’ve had a roundt discussion with a player in a while. So, my good buddy, cornfairy tour player, had a bunch of a layoff here down here to do a little work at uh down here at St. Simons. Rick Lamb. What’s up, Rick? Not a whole lot. Just trying to get cranked back up. We’re sitting here watching the old Patrick Reed drop on uh TV replay. Saw it live on replay. Saw it live on replay. We’ve read Twitter. Wow. Anyways, so uh what’s it been like? I mean, this last year was a year like I mean, it wasn’t like any other anybody’s dealt with. It wasn’t as a teacher, wasn’t as a human being, I guess. I mean, what was it like trying to play through that whole deal and figure it out? It was strange cuz obviously it was way bigger than golf and things got shut down and at one point it didn’t even seem like we might we probably might not even play for the whole year at one point or no one knew anyway. So, it was nice to get the opportunity to play and somewhat have a normal life. It was interesting. I remember at one point you, Lucas, Andy, there was a bunch of y’all down here. Yeah. Tom, Tom, he’s doing well at Baker’s Bay right now. Shout out to Tom Love Lady. Doing better than all of us. Way better. Other than Patrick Reed. He’s doing better than everybody right now. But uh we’re all hanging out and I remember we bunch of us were talking and like you know if you use that opportunity to get better and be ready to come out when things got back to whatever normal was at the time. I mean and I agree like that time I think I did think kind of the tour would start back at some point. Yeah. But I all but I did wonder about the I did wonder about like Cornfairy and the others, right? because just because just because of sponsorships and all of that but uh once you guys got so let’s talk a little bit about that. So you we actually did do a lot of work over the over that break whatever you want to call it co or corona break and when you went into that I mean you didn’t have as good a status as you did now. Mhm. Went in there and you played good and you came out with good status you shuffled back in. Yeah. Yeah. So the two I played two events before our break I guess which was early March which helped me get back in the reshuffle for the year and ended up being pretty much I only there was only one event I didn’t get into after we restarted so I pretty much could pick and choose where I wanted to play which is always nice and then I guess going into Corona we didn’t know when we were going to restart it was just it was I don’t know probably 5 6 months into us working together. So, it was pretty good timing to be able to sit like kind of take a big picture look at what we wanted to do. And we had a lot of time sit and take a look. There were a lot of Titos. There was a lot of looks. Um, and I felt like we did a, you know, I felt like we did a good job. And then I thought like going Well, let me ask you this. Back to last season. What was it like as a player kind of knowing that, you know, I mean to me when I’ve every time I’ve coached a cornfairy player, the whole focus is top 25 cuz then you go to the tour in the fall. Yeah. And that to me is like your motivation. Mhm. Cuz it’s certainly not money on the corner tour, right? All year long sprint to try to get you the tour card. Yeah. What was it like playing knowing that? I mean, I get it all does count because it rolls into year two here, but how did that change the way you played and if it did at all? It may not have done anything. I don’t know that it necessarily I mean, you still show up and you’re trying to play as well as you can and try to contend to win a tournament every time you show up. So, I think there’s I mean, that aspect is always going to be the same at no matter what the situation is. But it’s definitely not as much pressure as normal cuz you know you have 44 events rather than 25. So you you kind of expect over that long of a season the cream will rise to the top. Top. Yeah. So you’re getting ready. We’ve been getting ready. And one thing you have done is you did take a bunch of time off. Uh spent some time up in Nashville and you’ve been down here some. You know, I’m one that thinks that’s good cuz I just think that I think what we do is so damn long all year. Yeah. I know I have to get away. I mean, I got to go down to the Keys and bury myself in a rum bottle for 9 days, but what did you do to get And have you always gotten away from it? Like stepped away and spent this or is this new? There’s only probably been one other time in my life where or well at least since like college golf that I’ve had a prolonged kind of off season like this and I was I was done with eligibility for college golf when I went back to finish my degree and I had like I don’t know like 12 hours I was not really doing a whole lot but just had go back and go through the steps to get my degree but I was I mean I played golf one one or two days a week for a whole semester and that was you’ve ever didn’t play a tournament for like 6 months, which is a huge probably the biggest break that I’ve ever had. And then this one cuz usually I’ve either had Q school to go to for October, November, December, and then two years the PJ tour wraparound season. So, what uh usually you don’t get all that. How’d it feel coming back from it? Good, bad, and different. Um, I feel like I’m picking it up a lot quicker than I would have expected to really, which Yeah, the rust is coming off pretty nicely. So, it was fun. We First time I’d seen you in 45 days or so. Well, I mean, you don’t really count the jingle bell as a working experience. Some do, but Right. But it’s so first time I’d seen It was an entry fee. It’s a real tournament. We I mean you it’s got more world ranking points than some of that stuff on the European tour. But uh but uh so we took a good 6 weeks since I’d seen you and I work went down to South Florida to golf camp which I uh this was your first golf camp but we had a really good group this year obviously Lucas Robbie Shelton Amelio Andy Ogulry you Zack Suker I don’t know if I’m missing anybody Danny Danny O from Country Club Collection and uh Moose Moose hosted us at Fidian and uh Moose Mooseman host us at Fidian and Bears Club and we had a great lineup. But uh I thought that was a good start to the year as we prep. And to me and kind of what I wanted to talk about is we’ve kind of gotten to the point where we did a lot of work over 6 8 months and we got to the point where we really felt like we, you know, you’re a left-handed player. We’re really trying to get your lower body more stable under you so that you could wind into that left side and reduce your lower body kind of sliding out. And we did a lot of good. Your golf swing looks incredibly better and you played a lot of good golf. But we kind of came to that conclusion towards the end of last year and then going down to golf camp was that what we needed to do to make that better was spend more time in the gym and to do some physical stuff that was limiting you. Yeah. And I think that kind of started around maybe it was around was that RSM time you were up here and uh and Kobe was here and he kind of spent some time with us at Fred. Um well we worked with him. Where was it? Well, I worked the first time I probably worked with Colby was like in June of last year, May. Like that was the time he came up here right before the tour restarted. Okay. And then but then after we finished in Orlando, my last event, I drove down. That’s right. Like October with Amelio and Lucas. That’s right. I could remember exactly where we did it. So, so let’s talk about that and the importance of I talk about it a lot, but I I think one of the biggest things I’ve learned teaching is I mean, Rick, I can remember teaching people and you could get them to kind of look good doing slow Mhm. But then you turn the speed on everything, go back to hell in a hand basket, you know, and they’d leave and they come back 3 weeks later and and I’m not just talking about 20 handicappers. I’m talking about good players and they come back and be like, well, why the heck isn’t it better? And through a lot of the work with him, you start realizing that the things that happen in a body, the physical stuff is a huge part of that deal. And then the other part of it is I think it’s way easier for players any I think any golfer to improve some things doing something with bands or in a gym versus trying to do it while you’re hitting a ball. And I I mean it’s a huge deal. Yeah, absolutely. And I’ve always been a big believer in in the gym and worked with a lot of different people on and tried to learn as much as I can about how your body is supposed to move and how to most effectively do that. But Col’s one of the the brightest that I’ve ever been around and he’s he’s helped me a lot with my pivot and just doing simple movements where you kind of load it or stabilize either your lower body or upper body. And it’s I mean I’ve always spent a lot of time in the gym, but I haven’t really done anything. It’s all been kind of basic motion stuff, but he’s able to incorporate golf movement, but also a workout. I mean, I worked out with him yesterday in Jupiter and I’m sore right now. But but but I can still swing a golf club, you know. So, flashback to when we went down to Jupiter when but we were down there. It was just you and me and Alio, right? Yeah. And he came out he came out to Old Palm with us. Mhm. And I think the ability of having your fitness guy, you know, your specialist in that and your golf coach and you working together on a tea is a valuable thing. I’ve not, you know, until I started working with him and now, you know, Morgan, but Morgan does it with us. But until it was Kobe that did that, I mean, I taught golf a long time. I’ve been around a bunch of fitness people. I’d never seen one of them go out to the tea and watch what we’re trying to do and then try to get you to do it while the hell you’re there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there’s definitely a lot of that that goes out on out on tour with guys that have their own within their teams. Yeah. I mean, it’s as a player, it’s great because you can go into the gym and do a workout for an hour, hour and a half, or however long it takes, and you feel like you’re doing the right movements and it’s helping your body. whereas you go hit sometimes you could feel like you could go hit balls for three hours and not get anything out of it. But you know in the gym that you’re training correctly. Well, I think that it shows us that you know what I’ve always thought is when a player is hitting balls full speed, I mean they’re basically in performance mode, they’re just doing what they do. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas if you break the motion out, you break whatever it is we’re trying to get you to do, whether it’s winding up or going through, whatever, and you isolate that and that’s all you’re focused on without a ball, worried about where the ball goes or performance, you got a better chance to get it. Yeah. Take us through. So, what we’ve been working on, and what we’ve been working on is getting you to not slide your left hip out as much. What are some of the things you’ve been doing in the gym to help you with that? A lot of it is just isolating like one leg stabilization stuff. Um or like a lunge with a band around your knee that’s pulling trying to pull your knee one way and you’ve got to stabilize it while those bands are a twist. Yeah, those are brutal sometimes. And then a lot of it, it’s a lot of stability, like real real like strong on stability, which I think is important because like especially for the back swing to me, you’re really trying to wind into something. Yeah. Like your rear leg is like a post that you’re trying to wind into and if it’s not stable enough to do it or to be, you know, or to be a base, then you’re going to have trouble. Yeah. I mean I I think that’s the that’s a big power leak for a lot of people and I’ve that’s my issue too. So one of the interesting things was we had done some work and and then last time now it was down in Florida where we worked not only on that but then we added some structure to the top of your swing which made it feel shorter. Yeah. But you actually were hitting it further because you were able to get wound up correctly. Yeah. And I think that that’s something that, you know, like you said, people learning to use their body correctly. So now you’re within, what are we within a little over a month before tip off? Oh, no. We’ve got almost less than 3 weeks. 3 weeks. Yeah. About 3 weeks out. All right. So we’re going to work tomorrow and work on some stuff. I mean, it’s not going to change anything what we’re doing. But how do you approach the next 3 weeks getting ready to play? And what will you do? Will you play more? Will you practice more? Um, I think for me, I’ve been I’ve been doing so focused on stuff in the gym and I feel like my body is moving pretty good. I just need to get out and and play. Try to go play I’ll probably try to go play 36 holes a day. I mean, maybe not 36 every day, but 27 36 holes a day for probably every day next week. And I might try walking a little bit just to get my legs under me again just cuz I’ve been sitting on my ass doing nothing. I don’t think people realize how much everybody walks. I mean, yeah. You know, somebody said to me recently, he was talking about Tiger and like, well, I mean, if he’s able to hit balls, he’ll be able to play. Like, it’s not the hitting balls. I mean, ball hitting balls isn’t easy on your back, but walking for 6 days. Yeah. Is a lot. Yeah. Especially just being on your feet for five or I guess 6 and 1/2 hours your warm up. Yeah. It’s I mean it’s I mean a lot of people would laugh at that but it’s I mean we got to try to get some credit. Are we gonna argue the athlete thing? I mean who would not think I’m an athlete? Yeah. All right. So you’re getting ready to see your 3 weeks. You’re going to play a lot. We know the things you’re working on your golf swing. I’m not going to go on a limb here and say that we’re working on getting your lower body continue to get more stable. Get you to wind into that left side better. And then the ability to clear out of the way going through is really all we’re doing. Yeah. So when you go practice, how do you practice all those together? I mean, I I’m going to learn from this as much as anybody, but I’m just curious how you take the stuff we do in a lesson and you go practice it. For me, I struggle with the balance of practicing when I get like say if I want to work on something, which would be like if I’ve got say I’ve got a couple weeks for till a tournament starts, I want to go work on something. Sometimes I get too caught up in thinking about where the club needs to be rather than the shot shape. So, I try to I think you did too much of that last year. Yeah, for sure. And that’s and that’s always been some of that’s my fault, too. I think we got worrying about what the body looked like sometimes after doing some work instead and where the club was instead of just playing golf a little. Yeah, I agree. But it’s just I mean that’s just my what I tend towards if I’m not saying fire me. I’m just saying. But uh so that’s why I like to try to play more because it gets you more in that scoring mode rather than thinking mode which you just I mean the best rounds of golf you’re going to play or when you’re not thinking you can’t you’re not going to think your way to a 64 and just go out and do it. Go do it. Um so how do you get your short game and your scoring skills sharp? Is it just playing or Yeah. I mean, I still I still think playing I mean, you’ve got to be for me, and that’s one thing I need to be better at is when I do practice is being very disciplined as to how I practice where it’s you’re doing things closer to how you would do it either in a tournament or on a on in a round of golf where you’re spacing out. You’re not hitting five chips from the same spot. you’re trying to get up and down from a spot and then you go try to hit go to the range and try to hit cut shot like you’re trying to hit the fairway on the next T- ball. But it’s it’s not easy to discipline yourself to do that cuz if you got a bag of balls you can just hit 10 chips in a row or how whatever and just I always say that I was telling so I was actually telling a junior the other day that every time I go to the Bears and down there to work with Lucas or we’re down there 40% of the time Justin Thomas is out there practicing. It’s where he practice when he’s home. Mhm. And every time I go by the putting green he’s doing the same damn drill. Yeah. and the same short game drill like and I think that players could learn by that by going to practice with a purpose and doing the same stuff that they know makes them work well and I think that’s and that’s something that is what and that’s a conversation I had with Colby about fitness and I mean I think everybody kind of gets that information overload cuz you’re always trying to find like whatever is going to help your game get to the next level so you’re looking for sources of information whether it be another player on tour or a guy a veteran and who’s retired now and just trying to learn from everybody, but sometimes it’s it’s too much where you just need to do the same thing every day and just do your work and golf just kind of takes care of itself. What’s some of the good insight you’ve gotten from some veterans cuz I mean I I like young players that spend time or not spend time but you know I I think there’s a lot to be learned from guys that have been out there 20 30 years and Yeah. and won. I mean, you know, I’ve watched guys I’ve had plenty of guys come up and be getting their starts as like, you know, where they’re getting their exemptions and those guys in the exemptions are generally not paired with Rory. Yeah. And you watch them play with a guy that like if you we went and watched him on the range, you’d be like, there’s no way to help my guys lose that guy. And that guy’s been out there for 13 years. cuz he’s made $11 million or whatever. 15 million and hits it 20 less and then when you add them all up on Sunday he shot two better. Yeah. Like so what how do you approach getting knowledge from people that have been out there and what are some of the good things you’ve you’ve been told? I mean in my experience most guys are out on the PJ tour awesome. if you approach them and you want to ask them a question, they’ll they’ll go out of their way to help you out if you got I mean there’s I’ve had a few guys take me under their wing a little bit and then a guy like as a veteran Paul Azinger has been awesome to me. He’s given me a lot of information and just kind of how what he would think about and how he would approach things. What’s the best tip he give you that you can tell us? The best tip he’d give me or best advice. One thing that he’s told me that I I like a lot is when he’s talking about if he took some time off or he wasn’t hitting the ball good, he would just try to hit it as low as he possibly could and try to build up from there cuz he knew that if he was hitting if he like a very low trajectory shot, say he’s hitting a sixiron 15 ft above the ground and he can consistently do that, it’s easy to get the ball to go a little higher. But it’s hard to it’s it’s hard to get it in that tight window when you’re hitting it high. But if you can start it low and kind of build it back up from there, as long as you control that low point. And for me, I’ve always been a big I’ve always kind of leaned on the ball a little bit, a little bit of shaft lean at impact. So that’s always been a nice feeling for me. The year I’ve been around and I obviously watched you play out there some before before I started working with you. I’d been around you a bit practice and such, but like when you when you played good, it always looked like you were more shaft lean, kind of trapping it, hidden down, which I think that makes you a good iron player, a good scoring player. Anything else? I mean, stuff you gotten from veterans or what do you watch if you were playing with a veteran, a guy that was out there, been out there a while, what are some of the do you watch how they conduct themselves, how they play? Have you picked anything up being on the golf course with him? Um, I mean there’s I think there’s things that you probably subconsciously pick up from most guys. I mean I don’t if if we’re playing in a a tournament, I’m kind of more focused on what I’m doing. But I mean you definitely like throughout the day you’re going to have a conversation with the guy if you’re playing with them and you can ask him some questions about certain things. But I mean it just depends. Some guys don’t like to talk on the course. Some guys do. So I think I don’t know. All right. So that’s all I got on that. That’s all right. It’s good stuff. So, we’re move towards wrapping it up, but like so moving into a new It’s not a new season. I I always feel like the beginning of the year should be a new year. Yeah. You know, I mean, everything we do, I mean, all the shows, everything, you know, it’s 2021, it’s starting over, but it’s not really starting over, but how do you approach this? I know we you got a week then you kind of got a couple weeks off and it’s kind of a staggered stutter step start but one like well what’s what’s your what’s your plan? What’s your what are your goals and what would you consider successful and let’s go from there. I mean, I have an idea what I think we all want to successful, but yeah. I mean, I think my goals now are more on like a dayto-day basis of like what like I want to I’ve got these things laid out for how I want to practice every day, what I want to do in the gym every day. And I want to stay consistent to that cuz I think I know that when I’ve been in good routines is when I play my best golf. Just doing the same stuff, just beating it into the ground. How hard is it to stay on good routines? Isn’t it weird how we get to sometimes when we look back and go, “Oh, you know, when I do this, yeah, I play good.” But then, and it’s and it’s Yeah. When you travel so much, it’s they’re easy to slip out of because it’s like, “All right, I’m in Witchah this week and I can’t find that good of a gym within whatever 15 minutes of my hotel, it’s like, I’ll just use the hotel gym and it’s not as good.” or you pick up some tip that kind of worked that you’re like, “Oh, I’ve played I putted well doing this this week,” but it’s not your normal routine. I just think that the consistency in the way you prepare leads to I guess a calmness cuz you know you you did what you wanted to do. That’s why like I told you that JT story, it’s like always amazed me how many great when I’m around great players and like if like when I go to a tournament, you know, one of you guys in that I just kind of watch people. Mhm. But like like if you go weekend it’s like Groundhog Day like the best players in the world are doing the same every week. Exactly. You don’t see them out there searching for something like trying a new drill or switching ever changing clubs and this and that. Like they they know what they’re doing and they do it. What’s that club that had the little bend in the shaft? You You remember what I’m talking about? It was like the impact. I don’t know. I mean, every event I’d go to, Justin Rose was using that ring on the range. I was like, I don’t know if he nearly need to be working on that or not, but he kept using that thing every time. I was like, I’m going to try it. You know, but uh like you watch great players, they always seem to be able to do the thing. And I think that’s one of the, you know, I don’t know that people give them enough credit for that that like that’s an art. Finding out what you need to do, finding Yeah, it is. Figuring out and and like what you need to do is different than what Nobody can tell you what it is. You got to figure it out on your own. And then I think then I think the hardest part of that is no matter how simple or how whatever it is, it’s committing to stay with it. Yeah. And it’s committing to stay with it when on the second week it doesn’t work. Yeah. or the first week or the eighth week or whatever. I mean, you look at how many guys you hear. I mean, it happens probably a few times a year where a guy misses eight straight cuts and then wins. I mean, it’s a lot. It happens so much more than you think. Yeah. And but but you know, I think that’s the that’s part of the deal. And I had a I had a conversation with a tour player the other day in San Diego on a cart and I said like I mean you got to get where you don’t you know where you don’t eval where you don’t take every bad shot and go try to figure it out cuz you’ll drive yourself nuts doing that. Yeah. And to me the better you are which I think you’ve gotten really good and are really good at this. I think Lucas is very good at this and that is you know what you do when you play really good and you just keep trying to do it. Yeah. instead of like trying to figure out a bunch of other stuff. Yeah. Well, and that’s somewhere where I do kind of get off track. But I when I know But you’ve gotten better though. I’ve gotten better. Yeah. I’ve I guess I’ve more realized it and I’ve I think I’ve done a better job of committing to doing the same stuff over and over and over and over. And it’s okay if what you need to do is different than other people. Yeah. Which I think is hard for some people to do. I think it’s I think I I have never been 20ome years old and out on the PGA tour as a rookie. You have, but I would think that that’s a hard part about going out there if you don’t have immediate success is not listening to what everybody else is saying and what people are doing that’s making them successful. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I I think you’ve got to be pretty confident in your routine and what you’re doing to go out in the PJ tour as a rookie and just put your blinders on and say, “I’m going to do keep doing I mean,” and that but that’s exactly what you need to do. You say, “I’m going to keep doing what got me here.” And I mean, these guys are good golfers and I respect them, but I mean, I got here for a reason. So, it’s not And I I don’t It’s I mean, you see it every year. There’s there’s guys that go out there and have immediate success and it’s it’s I think it’s great to see. I’ve had a lot of friends do it. Sure. Anything you look at between the ones that do and don’t. Is there like where you go like, oh, can you tell a guy’s going to do it before or is it something that just is it random? With some guys you can for sure. I mean, just guys, you see it. I mean, you’ve seen it with guys you’ve taught since they were young. I mean, they just they know how to win tournaments and they know how to go out there and compete to win and it’s just that’s I think that’s something that can’t really be taught. But that’s why I think it’s okay like not getting off on juniors, but like I think it’s okay to play a bunch of junior events in your state or your region and win. Yeah. You know, whereas like everybody’s always like I want to take my kid to all these AJs and like the kid never learns to win. He learns to finish eighth, get his ranking up. Yeah, but like I think there’s something to be said to being the guy in your state or your town that wins every damn time you tee it up. Absolutely. I mean that’s I mean there’s so many guys out on tour that didn’t go to the top notchotch school or whatever, but they’re out there winning 10 times over their career and having awesome career. I mean you look at like a Zach Johnson who went to Drake or JT Poston and went to Western Carolina and they’re both doing great. I mean, it doesn’t matter where you went. You got to know how to win. Most guys at any big NCAA Division One school, but take either one of their careers where they are right now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Rick, awesome stuff. Looking forward to working tomorrow. Going to do do a little workout at Ocean Forest in the afternoon and you’ll be ready to go. And I think you guys are playing a tournament. I know you start down there in Southwest Florida, but you’re on the panhandle at uh down there at Sand Destin, which is a new event. Yeah, my old stomping ground. So I might swing through there. Be a good one. Be a good I know one good restaurant there we can go. Only one only one still let me in. So but they’ve got good red wine and a good New York strip steak. So we’ll probably hit it. Love it. But uh anyways, best luck. Thanks for sitting in. Let’s talk later this year after the win. All right. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of The Tour Coach with Tony Ruiro. 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