Scarface — the legendary rapper and Geto Boys icon — sits down with Shannon Sharpe at Club Shay Shay for an unfiltered conversation packed with raw stories, hip hop history, and unforgettable celebrity moments. Face takes the stage in New Balance shoes, jokes about “jonesing” Shannon, and sips award-winning Shay by Le Portier VSOP cognac. He reveals that he often plays golf with Shannon’s brother, Sterling Sharpe, calling him a scratch golfer still showing off his strength.
Born Brad Jordan in Houston, Scarface grew up with his grandmother, surrounded by his uncles’ music, a “crazy” grandfather, and the streets that shaped him. He recalls playing football like Walter Payton and Earl Campbell, ducking death during a store robbery, and surviving a shooting and open-heart surgery that stunned doctors. Face opens up about losing his biological father in a tragic shooting, his stepdad “standing in the gap,” and the sayings from his grandmother that still guide him.
Scarface reveals that Ice Cube, Ice-T, LL Cool J, and Will Smith inspired his storytelling style, and he names Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, KRS-One, Nas, Jay-Z, Q-Tip, T.I., and Lil Wayne among the greatest lyricists ever. He remembers beating Jay-Z, Eminem, and Prodigy for top lyricist honors in 2001, and says Chuck D, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, and LL Cool J were his biggest influences. He talks about Black history being erased like old-school rappers being forgotten.
Face shares how Tupac became his “partner,” the wild stories from touring together, and the possibility they recorded Pac’s final song. He recalls being in the studio with Jay-Z as he freestyled verses without writing, and how Jay and DJ Khaled gave him lifelines when he was battling COVID and kidney failure like HOV did for Lil Wayne, DMX, 21 Savage. Scarface opens up about his own son ultimately donating a kidney to save his life. He talks about working with Kanye West, calling him a “cold” producer with beats for days, and having unreleased music together. Scarface also remembers discovering Ludacris as head of Def Jam South and learning from his mentor Ice Cube.
He weighs in on Jim Jones’ comments about influencing Nas, Drake’s claim that UK rappers are better than American rappers (“like saying Kobe is better than Jordan”), and ghostwriting in hip hop. He says Kendrick Lamar, Drake, Beyoncé, and Taylor Swift-caliber artists are the only ones making money from streaming, while calling for others to take their work off streaming platforms.
The conversation spans politics, fatherhood, and sports — from running for council to his love for the Houston Rockets, Kevin Durant, Jalen Green, the Texans, C.J. Stroud, and DeMeco Ryans, to respect for the young OKC Thunder. The episode closes with Scarface performing some of his biggest hits, breaking down their stories, and talking about making music with Mike Dean.
This is Scarface — from the streets of Houston to the studio with Tupac, Jay-Z, Kanye West, and beyond — telling the stories only he can.
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Scarface | EP. 176
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I think Pac may have been the first artist to beat up an engineer. I could be wrong, but I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it. Man, that’s when Pac told the engineer, “Man, you ain’t got too many more.” My bad. All my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice, hustle, paid the price, want a slice, got to roll the dice. That’s why all my life I’ve been grinding all my life. All my life been grinding all my life. Sacrifice hustle paid the price. Want a slice to roll a dice. That’s why all my life I’ve been grinding all my life. [Music] Hello. Welcome to another edition of Club Shay on the road. And boy do I have a something special for you today. I am your host Shannon Sharp. I’m also the proprietor of Club Shay stopping by today. He’s an icon, a pioneer from the south. He’s been in the music industry of over 35 years. One of the most influential rappers in history. One of the top lyricists of all time, a member of one of the most successful rap group roots ever, the ghetto boys, a beloved Houstononian, platinum selling hip hop artist, a celebrated record producer, gifted storyteller, respected label executive. He was president of Death Jam South, breaking in artists like Ludicrous. He’s on everybody’s top five rapper list. Your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper. Some refer to him as the king of the south. Good friend of mine. Terrible golfer. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Scarface. Face. What it do? What’s up? What’s up, Shannon? Bang. No, wait. Let’s do it live. Let’s do it for real. What’s up, Sean? I’m good, Faith. What it do, man? Thank [ __ ] Hi, man. Bro, we’ve been trying to get this thing together. I appreciate you taking time to let us come in and do what we do and get an opportunity to see what you do. For sure. What’s going to be unique about this today, we’re going to throw out a song and and and Face is going to tell us the meaning behind the song, where it was, what he was thinking when he actually wrote the lyrics to this song. So, the first song we’re going to start out with is Mary Jane and how the music came about and how the how that came about. Yeah. So, I’m in the I I wrote it originally to to the uh Commodore song called Say Yeah. Okay. You you’ll feel that now that you know that. Okay. Like the way the words are spaced out. So, I wrote it like that. I ended up recording it in LA and um Mike Dean came up with a piano line that went like this. It was like [Music] And then tone hit the drum and it was kind of like right. I remember clearly I cuz I had took a uh this is bad but I took an ecstasy and and this is one of them being in the studio in a vocal booth by yourself and it was cold and the only thing that came to my mind was and I don’t really remember feeling like this right and it went that’s how it [Music] I wanted to I wanted to make it sound as like I was talking about a woman. Right. Right. So, I’m at my mother-in-law’s house. My wife is laying in the bed sleeping. I’m like, damn, I’ve got this love forming in my life for this dame and indeed of the form of life. And that’s a shame how man can fall in love with leaves and now the brains not afraid to let you up and leave and do your thing. Share a happiness with all my folks and got us high for the days that we was hey wait share her happiness with all my folks and got us high for the days that we were lost and broke. [ __ ] I said [ __ ] in this song. Got us by on the radio. It got by right. Got us by only rightly stopping you for props because she came the block of only find the crops. I need to hear you singary. So the same chick that sung It’s the thuggish ruggish bone. Yes. Sung the hook on this. Really? Really? and and and she went Mary and Tom was saying Mary I love that came from the Rick James part of it. Yes. You go Mary I love Now I pick up my guitar and I put a B. It’s going and then they going [Music] and then the hook came back in was likeary [Music] Mary love here and there. Second verse is like [Music] when the world starts to stress you out, what you do? Put a cancer stick off in your mouth or grab a brew. Sold it in stores. But the fact remains is that they were made and the government’s been taxing that getting paid. That’s why it was all illegal in the first place. That’s why it was all illegal because the government couldn’t tax it and get paid from it. But if it’s taxable, it’s cool to smoke then. Kill or not. Ain’t it alcohol that’s killing folk? True or not? Other people try to make you bad, but I know you not. And when my situation is looking sad, I know I’ve got a true friend in my time of need. Cuz you all I need. Girl, you natural. You come from seeds, not out of greed. It makes me happy when I’m feeling pain. And once again, it makes me happy just to hear your name. Do your thing, Mary Jane. That’s just sit there and you just smoked out. Yeah. Well, you didn’t need to smoke out. You was already high. Yeah. But that song make you smoke out. I was exed out when I Yeah, exactly. when I wrote it. And that’s why you hear the ver the first verse going got this love forming in my life. And then it got no going for this ded form of life. And that’s a shame. Like it was some [ __ ] going on in that song that was kind of you had to be high. Face, when you’re writing a song, do you have an idea of the chords that you missed it? No clue. You’re just writing the words. I’m just writing the music. Okay. um to songs and then the words will kind of come like you kind of start off with a a a piece of an idea and then you write a verse to it and then whoever you working with on the song will you know we’ll start working on it more and putting it more together. So you write your first verse and you lay it and then you work on the music a little bit and you go home and you write the second verse and then you put the first verse with the second verse and then you write the third verse and then you lay it all and then you listen to it and listen to it and listen to it and then you go back and re-record it. And sometimes I don’t even have to re-record it because it’s that perfect. Wow. I believe in being absolutely perfect. So you don’t, you know, a lot of times when you on a set or you’re doing a movie, you’re doing a commercial. Oh, that was perfect. But let’s do one more time just to make sure. Like once you lay it and you like you feel good about it, you done. That’s it. Okay. I don’t need a safety. Don’t need one. Guess who’s back. So that was a uh a record. I was trying to get a record from K from from I was trying to get a a record from Jay-Z. Okay. And um Kanye was playing beats and Jay-Z was sitting in the corner in a chair and um Kanye was playing beats and Jay was sitting there. He was talking and then he heard those pianos. [Music] And he was like, and he’d be like, he be looking at you like, “Yeah, [ __ ] I’m about to give you the business right quick.” [Music] So that’s all it takes for him to do oo a couple of times and he go in the vocal, he lay his vocals like he never wrote nothing down. He didn’t write it down. So he just hearing the beat and he he just hear and he goes into the to the booth and he he lays it down and then I’m sitting at the board. He leaves me stuck at the board writing every time. Dabs me up and he leaves the room. Right. I come in. I’m writing. I’m thinking about what I’m going to say. [Music] So, I’m writing it and I said, uh, from the womb to the tomb with a hot pot, a jaw and a spoon trying to touch me 40,000 and move. Listen. From the womb to the tomb with a hot pot, a jar and a spoon trying to touch me 40,000 and move to the next dose bun. Yeah. Dreaming to the tomb with a high pot of jar and a spoon trying to make me 40,000 and move motel star studded rock stars and goons playing clothes want to run in my room. Woo! But guess who’s bizack? It’s your boy Face Mom. I started with a eight ball. Got to get this cake dog. Give [ __ ] a break. No, you know how the game go. You think I slain for to go against the grain? No, I’m out here in grind mode. Wrapped up in a paper chase. I want to a fine hoe. Candy paint the 88. I ain’t got no wholesale cuz that ain’t how I want to run it. He’ll take these five stones and bring a [ __ ] back 100. I got to see my feet, dude. You do [ __ ] a f do. The fire get you hot in the kitchen. I hit them streets fool. Money is an issue and that’s on the pisle. My nizzle your block warm. I come by with that pistol and make for sure. I get to work mine one car at a time because if a [ __ ] got a block bubbling, right, and you want that, the only way that you can get that block from this is go by there and shoot it up and then the cops will be sitting out there. Okay. All right. I come by with that pistol and make for sure I get to work mine one car at a time. We go to war and you ain’t making a dime. You don’t want to go to war, [ __ ] Let me go on down here and work my [ __ ] too. You know we go to war and you ain’t making a dime cuz I ain’t got [ __ ] to lose. A [ __ ] out here paying his dues. My baby walking got to get in some shoes. It’s a new game brewing. Let me get you the rules. Get out of line and I’mma make you get the rules. Get out of line and I’mma make you get the blues. It’s a new game brewing. Let me get you the blues. Get out of line. I’mma give you the blues. Woo. [Music] Yes, that [Music] my block. So, I was um in the studio. These are Death Jam albums, by the way. Those those are Def Jam songs. And those songs were so that was that was probably the easiest time I’ve ever had to record an album because I didn’t have to make the music to it. Okay. But uh a couple of guys came by the studio. Um Nashen, well Nash Merrick came to the studio and he was playing Beats and um they had that this this record that was by um Roberto Flack and Donnie Hathaway and it went like this. It was like, “Be real black for me. Be real black for me.” Remember that? Yes. Just something about dope ass music. So, I’m here in the vibe and I’m thinking about like the best way like what how does this music make me? How does this beat make me feel? How does this piano riff make me feel? Like I want to say something about about my neighborhood, man. Like every day been like the same old thing on my block. Like let’s reminisce on what’s happening on the block. Every day been like the same old thing on my block. H [Music] you either working or you juggle cocaine on my block. You had to hustle cuz that’s how we was raised on my block. And you stayed on your hop until you made you a knot. On my block to hang out with was a thing back then. And even if you left out, you came back in to my block. From Holloway, Belfford to Scott. Reed rode the flocks. We know the spots. Just go weed the rocks. Just go weed the rocks. We know how we know where to get that [ __ ] from, man. We know where to get it, man. Let’s go. We the rocks, the drink or the blue dots on your block. You probably bred a fat pad, a Tupac, a big bun, a BI, your homework from kneeh high. And even if it was storming outside, that [ __ ] be by. That’s me dog on my block. I ain’t had to play no big shot. Them [ __ ] knew me back when I was stealing beer from Shamrock. And my nickname is creepy. And if Black June can see me, he be tripping. And I bet he still probably tease me on my block. Black Jill was the homie, man. Yeah. He got he got killed young by a um by a police officer. He was in a high-speed chase and they shot through the car and shot him in the back of the neck. 17 years old. And he never got a chance to see that life, man. Cuz he he died way back in the 80s, man. And if Black Jun could see me, he’d be tripping. And I bet he still probably tease me, man. It’s on my block where everything is everything for Cheezy. On my block we probably done it all, homie. Believe me. On my block we make the impossible look easy. For she never lead the block. The homies need me. Never leave the block. I never leave the block. I never lead the block. I never lead the block. The homies need me. Imagine if you took the game, you took the instructions out the game, right? It ain’t going to operate. You know, I remember talking about the cars. It was like on my block. We racing polls bone stock. On my block, I ain’t have to play the big shot. On my block, we racing polish. On my block, we racing polish bones. On my block. on my block. We queueing all the time playing dominoes. Keep the switch and sweets down till my mama goes back in the house. Hey, listen. Do you remember when you used to have to hide your dope from your boy? You don’t know nothing about no dope now. So, you used to have to hide that [ __ ] from your mama when they come outside, right? You like on my block we queueing all the time playing dominoes. Keep that switchery sweet down until my mama goes back inside and then we can fire. Yeah. Pass it around a few times and get high. Remember sitting back, man, the neighborhood. I got footage of this on my Instagram page of us sitting in the backyard of my homeboy house and we drink beer, we barbecue, we tell tales, you know, smoke a few squares, pull it down for me. I remember I remember when we was kids, right? and be like, “Man, let’s go smoke some dope.” And that meant they was going to go out and smoke a few squares and [ __ ] Right. Right. Now, when somebody say, “Let’s go smoke some dope.” You don’t know what the they talking about. So, I be like, “You know what, man? Go ahead. I don’t get how.” But, you know, back then, baby, cigarettes, anything smoking, you had to hide from your parents. It wasn’t just weed. You know, funny thing, I never had to do that. Really? You could smoke around your mom? Boy, you were lucky. I mean, I don’t know how lucky I was, but I grew up in the But it started with my grandmother. Okay. All right. So, I lived in the house of my grandmother and my uncles and all my uncles smoked and [ __ ] Right. Right. And they started smoking at a young age when I had a cigar. I was smoking in the house. I couldn’t have been no more than 9, 10. And I know people going to think I’m full of [ __ ] but I swear to God, I went 9, 11, 12 years old. I was smoking. Matter of fact, I’m at school with a smoking pass. Back in junior high school, you can smoke cigarettes at school if you had a pass, right? You had to get you had to get cleared by your parents. You had to get clears from your parents. I’m telling my age right now. I’m 54, but yeah, I was smoking for real. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Not proud of it, but [ __ ] You did what you did. I did what I did, man. This song I I Cuz I really want to know the backdrop. I never seen a man cry until I seen a man die. The backdrop of that. So the backdrop of that, man, is I got high. Man, you’ve been writing some fire when you high. Yeah, I was I was stoned. And I I promised that if I ever came down off that high, I wouldn’t never get high again like that. But I was drinking beer and taking painkillers, okay? And I had smoked the joint. I don’t want nobody to try this [ __ ] at home cuz this What that What kind of combo were you on? Drinking beer, smoking, taking pain pills. So, I had broke my arm. My my either that or I got shot. Something had happened. Damn face. Yeah. And I needed I I didn’t want to hurt no more. Uh Nate Dog had the coldest song on that one. I don’t want to hurt no more. Don’t want to hurt no. Yeah. I didn’t want to hurt no more. Right. So, I took a um a pain killer. Um I was drinking Miller Lights anyway. I smoked the square and that [ __ ] didn’t end well. Did Did it Did the words I mean, how long did it take you to come up to lay those verses for that? Did it just start the pen just started writing it like auto pen? So, I was in the studio and I made a beat and it started with a baseline and the baseline went like [Music] right. I did on the keyboard and then I played the [Music] right [Music] So that’s what I wrote the words to. Okay. The B the B the be. [Music] [Music] So that’s the original way that I set it up. And then Mike Dean comes in with the Let me hear. He had the [Music] Mike Dean also played this guitar part that went kind of like this. [Music] So I had to take So I had to take this home, right? Yeah. And I’m high as hell. And the first thing I came up with was future’s father with his hands out. We debilitated slightly. Glad to be the man’s child. The world is different since he seen it last. Been 7 years he’s out of jail and he’s happy that he’s free at last. All he had was his mother’s letters. Now he’s mobile and he’s got to make a change and make it for the better. But he’s black so he’s got one strike against gangster and he’s young. Plus he came up in the system. But he’s smart and he’s finally making 18. Right. I’m I’m coming up with these words, man. The words are flowing. Right. But the more I wrote, the more dead I felt. Yeah. I was I was gone. I I had that kind of high that I had that blackout high. Yeah. You know, so that’s the that was the writing process on this song, man. I was I didn’t want to I didn’t I didn’t want to be high no more. You know what I mean? I remember I remember um that uh that verse where I said um I hear you breathing but your heart no longer sounds strong but you kind of scared of dying so you hold on and you keep on blacking out and your pulse is slow. Stop trying to fight the reaper. Just relax and let it go. That’s how high I was. Wow. I was high when I was writing that record. Yeah. I was I I I really went in there and got some [ __ ] Uh because there’s no way you can fight it though you still try and you can try it till you fight it but you still die. Your spirit leaves your body and your mind clears. Your morning starts to set you out of you. Like that’s some real that’s that’s how I felt. Wow. But when I got to the studio in I wasn’t high no more. else come down later. And it was like I was like he greets his father with his hands out rehabilitated slightly but glad to be the man’s child. The world is different since he seen it last. Out of jail been seven years and he’s happy that he’s free at last. All he had was his mother’s letters. Now he’s mobile and he’s got to make a change and make it for the better. But he’s black so he’s got one strike against it and he’s young. Plus, he came up in the system. But you never know how those words are going to come out upon delivery because I’m I stand firm on letting the beat guide. Okay? I use my voice as an instrument. Like I don’t you you’ll never hear a song for me where the beat is doing one thing and my voice is doing another. Like it’s not going to be a monotone, right? Like you know how some rappers get on the microphone and they rap the same way every time because they not letting that beat lead. You know they rapping off of their own instinct and not letting that beat guide. You got to let that beat guide and in order to let that beat it’s a vibe, right? It’s a vibe, man. So you know um some some records you hear me um rapping this way and the next you hear like who is that [ __ ] Like I remember one time we was doing that sitting at the stoplight looking at hoes peeping out this [ __ ] and her black jabos windows rolled up tight top was closed blowing switches sweet smoke out my nose E40 called me right and like man you let Warren you let Warren get on the track I’m like no [ __ ] that’s me yeah so I’m changing my voice I’m changing I’m changing the dynamic the pitch I’m changing the flow, the come lines are different. You know, the the the patterns, the rap patterns are different. Sunday morning, I’m off in church, sending throughout the week, hustling every day. I’m getting it as we speak. I listen to preacher preach. Mama singing the song, ain’t he clapping the hands. No choir singing the song. Ain’t clapping the hands. My mama singing along. I’m uncomfortable. I want to leave. Can’t let my mama sing. I ain’t listening to the message. But it’s it’s it’s um it’s different deliveries on different songs. Different songs call for different deliveries, different beats, man. Has it ever been a situation where you you you write it while you’re high and then when you come down off that, you’re like, “Okay, I hope I can get right back into that head space that Oh, once you get it, it’s in there.” Once you find out, once you get back to what you were writing in the pattern that you was writing it in, Mhm. you in there. But I ain’t wrote nothing high in a long time. Of course, I ain’t been writing, but I ain’t did nothing. I ain’t Damn, Shannon, you trying to act like I’m just a dope fiend. Like, I got to be high. No, I’m messing with you. But no, I would I I um just, you know what? I don’t smoke weed all the time. Okay? You know, but when I do, I’m not just going to be burning out brain cells, right? So, there’s got to be something being created. Do That’s what I was about to ask. When you smoke, are you spoken to get in a a a frame of mind that you can write? No. Oh, you just spoke you just spoken to spoke. No, I’m not smoking. I’m smoking I’m smoking to I’m smoking to spark um ideas, right? But I’m just not riding around smoking all day long just to be smoking. So if you see me smoking some weed, I’m in a vibe, right? And I haven’t smoked weed in a long time. Is that what it would take you to get back in? I mean, what would you smoke some weed? No. What would it take you to get back to the pen that we know face to have? They got to pay. Like this [ __ ] is free now. I’m not It’s not paying, man. Okay. You know what I mean? Like this is where the money is. Like short and I out on a tour. We’re calling it the function. You know, this is where the money is. Even though uh tires we still recording, uh E40 is still recording. Everybody’s still recording. I just don’t see the value. I’m spoiled. I’m spoiled. I remember when you could sell a record. You could sell records for 5 6 7 8 9 $10. Correct. Now zero cent. It’s zero. It’s it’s it’s half a cent on a scent for a stream. So I don’t see the value in wasting my time. I can’t get my time back. Right. You know, I got a catalog that’ll carry me and you know, yeah, you good. You feel me? Like I got I’ve got a pretty decent catalog and I’m always thinking of some some other funky ways to to revamp me. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like this is this just didn’t come overnight. Like I’ve been doing my band shift for 20 years. Matter of fact, aunt sent me something yesterday sent us something where How long was that? 25 years ago. It was 25 almost 20 years ago. Okay. Of us, you know, working with our band [ __ ] All right. And I went on the road with a band and I wasn’t even getting paid, but I knew that eventually the game would catch up to what I’m thinking. Yeah. Where I’m at in my mindset because we can stand on stage and and and and grab grab our [ __ ] and walk and and and lip sync to our [ __ ] or we can bring it back to the essence of where it came from. You know, like I we we we built this music, man. Right. We built this music. Tupac’s last song he recorded was With You 1994. Smile. I can’t say that. Hold on. Yeah. Do you remember that before he passed? It might have not been 94. What year was that did Smile come out? It came out. It came out in 96. It came out 97, but re-recorded it. When did you guys That September. Hey man, you know what? That could very well be the last song that he recorded. Absolutely. That could very well be the last song because I remember leaving LA, going to Chicago, and getting hearing that he was shot. But me knowing Pac, like I know Pac, you know, he going to get up and he going to be talking [ __ ] again. Right. All right. You could very well be right, man. Because we recorded that in September or June. Mhm. And he got shot in that September. He got shot. Okay. We recorded that song in June or July of 96. He got shot and killed in 96. September. Okay. So, that could very well be that last record. But I like me knowing Pac and how he worked. Uh, I doubt it. It possible though. Mhm. because he probably laid down 15 20 songs a day because what that that was uh if I’m not mistaken I think it was the uh the Tyson Holyfield fight. It might have been Bruno. Check Check the fact I I see I went to the Frank Bruno fight that was in like April of 96. Okay. Who did he fight right after that? I think it was Holyfield. I can’t say that. We’ll look it up. We got to look that up. Yeah. I think he was fighting Ba or somebody. It wasn’t Holyfield though cuz he remember he fought Holyfield back to back 96. He fought him he lost and then he turned around and fought him again in in 97 when he bit his ear. Yeah, but no. Pac was still around though. Mm- No, don’t think so. I mean, see, uh, we can look it up. CJ, when did Pac get when did Pac get killed? 90. I think I think it was September of 96. Okay. So, when did Tyson fight Holyfield? September 13th, 1996. 713. So, you say Tyson Holyfield fight? Yeah, he fought him twice. He fought him in 96 and 97. He fought him in December, right? He fought him on my birthday, November 9th. So, yeah. November 9th, 1996. The second fight was June 28th, 1997. Mhm. When When did Tupac get killed? September. Yeah. September 13th, 1996. So, it was I think it was a Bruno. It might have been Who did Who who did uh who was Holyfield fight? That was a It was a fight going on out there. Let me see. It was Mike Tyson and Bruno cuz I was at the Bruno fight in April. Yeah. Bruce Seldon. Bruce Bruce. Okay. One of the big on Yeah. Busing. Yeah. But um man, Pac was a hell of a dude, man. He he was um he was before his time. He way before his time. More money mean more litigating, more player hating. Got a a sale at the pen for me waiting. Wow. So smile. When you writing that, what’s going on? What are you thinking? So Park, we recorded that like way before he passed, like a couple of recorded that in June or or July June. June June July of 96, right? And he ends up passing in September of 96. Right. So we wrote the song, you know, before he passed. And like Pac would always have this thing with me where he would be so pissed off that I would be sitting at the board still writing and everybody threw with they [ __ ] you know? And he would always say, “Hey man, you got to you got to you got to find a way to get across to the [ __ ] without offending them, right? And the [ __ ] going to want what the [ __ ] want.” And then whatever the last word is of your verse, that’s the name of the song. And I was like, “Okay.” But nonetheless, I still sat down in front of that board and I I came up with those words, man. But it was done to a whole totally different beat. Um, uh, shout out to, uh, Tone Capone and, uh, and Mike Dean because I think that the job that we did on this song, on this version of that particular song was awesome, man. Tone always wanted those. Was it pissicados? What are they called? Piscatos. He always loved the plink. [Music] Johnny P was still alive. The one who say, “Do you want to ride in the backseat of my caddy or die?” Yeah. Tone had a vibe in his head. Uh tell me, do you still care about me? Right. So he just broke that came into smile for me. That’s Tom Kapone. Won’t you just smile for me? And then Johnny P was in the studio and he sung that [ __ ] And um some kind of way we got a chance to use that record on my album. But I remember sitting in the studio writing it and recording it. Man, that’s when Pac told the engineer, “Man, you ain’t got too many more my bads, right? He’s going to That’s when the I think Pac may have been the first one the first uh artist to beat up an engineer.” I could be wrong, but I know he used to beat his engineers up and I wrote it down like never as I open up my story. Put the blades in your blunt. That’s so you can reflect. That’s so you can reflect. Okay. You know what I’m saying? So you kind of reflect on what I’m saying, man. Just sit back and like, damn. Now, as I open up my story, put the blades to your blunt so you can picture thoughts slowly upon phrases I run. And I can walk you through the days that are done. I often wish that I could save everyone. But I’m a dreamer. Have you ever seen a who was strong in the game? Overlooking his tomorrows and they finally came. I look back on childhood memories and I’m still feeling the pain. Turning circles in my ninth grade to dealing cocaine. Too many hassles in my local life. Survive the strain and a man without a focus. Life can drive me insane. I’m stuck inside a ghetto fantasy hoping to change. But when I focus on reality, I’m broken and changed. I had a dream of living wealthy and making it big, but over football, chose to cook raw, take it and dig. And after all, my mama’s thanking God for blessing a child. Cuz all my mama got to do now is collect it and smile. [Music] Hey, won’t you just smile for me? [Music] That’s cold blooded. We was kids writing music like this, man. I I would love for us to be able to get our music back. You know what I’m saying? I would love for us to be able to make our music like we made our music, you know, even though from Maize to R. Kelly, from R. Kelly to Chris Brown, we didn’t lose too much into that. We didn’t lose a lot. You know, that music is still great, man. It’s kind of like from Rockim to Kane to Public Enemy to Cube and NWA to Ghetto Boys to you know Snoop to and then you start uh Tribe Called Quest. You got to think about all of the great music. LL CoolJ, Run DMC, those masterpieces of of of hip hop, you know, KRS1. Yeah. You know, the masterpieces, the Jay-Z’s, the Nas, I said Nas already. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I should have said it twice. So, I mean, those masterpiece classics that will always be remembered forever. You know what I mean? Yes. Like LL Cool J, bro. He don’t get the credit that he deserved. No, he single-handedly put this [ __ ] on the map, bro. He did. And then you have to look at He got women to listen to start listening to the rap cuz he was singing to them. Hey, man. The man the man broke some [ __ ] down, man. On a record, man. That was mind-blowing to me. Who can take the game of rap and rule it alone? Uh uh. just playing many styles on the microphone. Like the man was cold, man. For sure. And he he single-handedly gave us a plan a plat a platform to stand today. Yes. With that Rock the Bell [ __ ] Oh, for sure, man. I went out and I did a concert for Rock the Bells on a couple of occasions. Yeah. And this last one I went to in in in New Jersey. Mhm. I walked out on the stage and was like, “Shit, look at all these people.” Hip hop lives, man. For sure. And and and thanks to that guy that is is is, you know, it’s recovering. You know what I mean? Like he had some great [ __ ] on there. He had uh uh Rockim, Kane, Plies, Booy, Me, uh Roxan, Shante was on that [ __ ] That’s my twin. Yeah. But I I I I I love what he doing with it, man. I think that everybody should take time out and and pause and and and thank LL CoolJ for what he did and what he’s doing for this culture, man. Like for real. Thanks for performance, bro. Man, we ain’t even started perform yet. Uh let’s play. Let Let’s leave him. Let’s go out with a bang. Fired up. I don’t even care what it is. What we going out with? I don’t care. Mind plays trick. Mind play tricks on. You got Friday night lights. Damn, it feel good to be a gangster. What you want to go out with? No, let’s do something else. Uh, what you got? [Music] [Music] Doo [Music] doo. [Music] Can’t be life. Can’t be love. [Music] Be more. Can’t be us. It’s got to be more. So, I’m leaving to go to baseline from Def Jam and um I think my brother called me. I think Warren Lee called me and told me that one of the homies uh babies that had died. Man, I was devastated cuz I got a 2-year-old. I had a 2-year-old back then, but that baby got a hold of something that he wasn’t supposed to get a hold of that um and that [ __ ] kind of blew me the [ __ ] away. [Music] It was That’s why the verse came out so cold cuz it was so true cuz I had walked into the studio to the studio to do this with J. I got a phone call from one of my [ __ ] They say my homeboy Reek, he just lost one of his kids. And when I heard that, I just broke your tears. And he in his second hand, you don’t really know how that is. But when it hit that close to home, you feel the pain at the crib. So So I called mine. Sad my wife at the bad news. Got my blessing. Count my blessings cuz Brad’s too. That’s that’s one of them ones, man. You got [ __ ] Brad 2 years old when that happened, man. Loving your kids like he was ours. And I’m hurting for you, dog. But ain’t nobody painting like yours. But I just know it heavens heavens open his doors and view it on the blind on the bright side. You can view it like this. God’s got open arms, homie. He in the midst. Who loves all who loves all and hates not one. Cuz he in the midst and he in the midst of good company. Who loves all and hates not one. And one day you going to be with your son. I could have talked about my hard times in his songs, but heaven knows I would have been wrong. Would have been right. Wouldn’t have been us. It wouldn’t have been life. It wouldn’t have been love. It wouldn’t have been right. Uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh. Scary life. [Music] A lot of [ __ ] be bragging about their bands and [ __ ] but I know for a fact can’t nobody with them. You still up? I can stand I can stand on the stage and stop stop. Do that. [Music] Tell you, man. I I got to All I got to do is just dream it. I just got to dream it. [Music] live live on on uh Club Shay. We going to get down into a deeper interview um in a few minutes, but I just wanted my partner to show up to see that musical side. Go give him the business, fell. Hold up. Hold up. Louder. Louder. Louder. [Music] Oh yeah, [ __ ] say uh [Music] once I live a life of a millionaire spending all of my money [Music] taking my friends. Nobody sink champ. [Music] But if I ever get a dollar, I’m a cold on sitting in the grave. Nobody wants you. When you’re down, no matter when you’re downing out [Music] when you’re down and out. No matter [Music] down and out. So, I hear a lot of people talking about their bands and [ __ ] man. But after being together so long, we kind of know what we thinking. So it’s y’all on the wavelength. Yeah, we on we we we right we we right there. I can turn that [ __ ] up like this here. Get up loud like that. Or I can bring it back down. You scarf base. ladies to do it. [Music] Nobody counter [Music] down. Oh, I down. [Music] UFC 319 is blowing back to the Windy City for the first time in 6 years. Check out the fight card. Get in on all the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of the UFC. And if you’re a new DraftKing customer, check out this. New customers who bet $5 will get $200 instantly in bonus bets. Don’t miss out on UFC 319 action. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app now. Use code Shannon. That’s code Shannon for new customers to get $200 in bonus bets instantly when you bet just five bucks only on DraftKings. The crown is yours. Normally, everybody be having their suit on when they come on your show, man. They be looking all fly. But this how I be looking when I go on stage. So if you see me on stage, then you probably see me in this. You be like, “Damn, you going on stage with them new ballots? I’m good, man. Don’t do it. I’m good at this. We ain’t had no toys growing up either, Shannon. All we did was talk about each other. But yeah, I’m This is how it goes down. Every time we get on the phone, y’all, we got to We got to We got a Jones. We got you, man. How you been, bro? Bro, I’ve been great, man. Thank you for taking time. I know you’re busy. You got a concert in a few hours and taking time out of your day. Went through soundcheck. Can’t wait to people see the a couple of songs that you performed for us and tell us what was going through your mind at the time of performance. But this is my Kgnac. This is shave by Laortier. It’s a premium BSOP. You understand? You know about Kanye? Yeah, man. God, you know what BSOP stands for, right? No. Very special old pale. That means you know what I heard? And and you tell me if there’s any truth to this. So the the the Hennessy guy and Hines, were they locked up in prison together? I don’t know about that. So I want I want people to look into this. So Hennessy, the maker of Hennessy on somebody and Hines, they were locked up in Hines ketchup. No, Hines. H I N E S. That’s like a cognac. Okay. It’s like the It’s like the upper echelons of cognacs, man. So, I heard this story, man. I want to get some validity to it and and and just just see. But yeah, cognac makers, man. Is this that kind of cognac? This is a premium BSOP. We’ve won 13 awards since its inception in 2021. Uh we won the SIP award. The SIP award is a blind taste test. It’s the only one that the fans get to decide. Everything else is is is uh judges that have been sipping Kgnac and a spirit business. But what they do in a simple ward is that they put all the cognacs on the table and then people come by and taste them and they say, “Well, I like cup eight.” Okay. So, I always thought that VOP meant for very serious old people. No, very special old pale. And then you got XO, which is extra old. And then you got XXO, which is extra extra old. So, shut me down. Yes. Uh, boy, you learn something new every day. And this is a great People don’t realize this, but this come from a great. I was the oonie blonde grape and a petite champagne nuzzle. This man went straight to it. You I know what the to do is Yeah. Why? Why you talking to me like this? I know what to do. God damn. That ain’t necessary. How Sterling doing, man. But he good. He good. Yeah. This ain’t no grape here. Uni Blonde grape and a petite champagne. And in order for it to be a Kgnac. Hey man, it has to start originate in Kgnac for two years. The first two years has to start there. Hey man, it’s mean right here for sure. We got you covered. We got you covered. Oh no. Oh, it ain’t got no bite. None. Oh, you got to be you got to be careful. Yeah. Let me move this back over there. Boy, you be on you’ll be on stage slurry for real. I’m not going to drink no more. Ain’t nobody got no water. We get something, man. Why you trying to get me drunk on my show? No, no, no, no, no. But I just wanted you to taste it. But it’s amazing. It is. It’s crazy. Yeah. But uh we got you covered. We going We We got you covered. Yeah, man. Send me Send me a Don’t tell me where I can buy some, man. I’m Well, yeah. I’m I’m going to send you some, but I’m going to tell you what you buy. It’s like that. For real, though. For real. Man, Face, it is an honor to have you on the show. Uh it it’s always great to have people that you you admire from a distance, you know, getting to know you over the last couple of years. You and my brother play a lot of golf together. I sent word. I told him what you told me to tell him. I was on the phone with you and I told you. No, you told me to tell him you could get it. No, no, I didn’t. Now, why you saying that, man? Don’t do that, dog. Don’t say that, man. Well, I told him. You shouldn’t have. And he said he sent word back to me. He flipped something up. Hey, it’s in a picture back. He did. He said, “Show fa show face this.” Yeah. No. Hey, Sterling, I’mma leave you alone, man. Don’t you go out there messing with that man. Y’all better leave that man alone. They play They play golf together. Every every celebrity golf tournament they can attend. Yeah. Face is going to be out there. My brothers be out there with him. And the man is a scratch golfer, man. Unbelievable. He play all the time. But he play from the back, though. Yeah, he play from the tip. I play all the time, too. But I ain’t going to go back there, man. I ain’t got nothing to prove, man. Like that from that that’s that’s for people that’s that’s trying to show off that they still strong, man. I mean, that’s the that’s the only way to be strong, man. Yeah. Let’s get into it. Face, talk to me. From Houston, Texas. What was it like growing up in Houston, Texas for a young Scarface? So, uh, growing up in Houston as a young Brad. Yeah, that’s a real That’s a government name. Brad. Yeah. We say Brad. As a young Brad Jordan, um, my mother had me so young. Mhm. Uh, I’m an old man, baby. For real. I spent a lot of time at my grandmother’s house. Okay. Um, my grandmother had nine children and I always tell I always tell people that I feel like I’m my grandmother’s 10th child, right? Because she also you spent so much time with her spend so much time with her. Um, my mom would um I always want to go to my grandma house, you know. I go over my my mom and my aunt lived together for a long time, right? And I didn’t want to be over there cuz it was boring, right? But going over there at my at my grandma house, man, my uncle was smoked and jammed and, you know, they had the bands going and my grandfather was crazy as hell. My grandmother was sweet as pie. You know, just all, you know, the the neighborhood raised me, man. You know what I mean? I’m I’m like one of those kids at the neighborhood raised for real. But that wasn’t what it was like. It was a sense of community and somebody down the street could correct you if you were wrong. They would say, “Brad, I’mma tell your mom. I’mma tell you.” Tell her I don’t give a For real. Like people can vouch for me. Like I was a nut growing up. I would cuss. Yeah. My uncle would call me when I So my So I was in the kindergarten. My uncle Rodney was in the sixth grade. So that’s the only time we ever went to school together, right? And he would call me from out of the house to come and curse his friends out for him. And you and you like doing that? Oh, I that that was it was second nature to me. You don’t be around grown folks so much you heard them. I don’t know, man. I think this is genetics. You know how people play football? You’re good at it. Musicians. Yeah. Yeah. I was my my my my grandfather is a is a a professional cursor. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah. What’s your fondest memories of growing up as a child? I think that um sitting in the room I don’t want to reel any of this [ __ ] man. There was some tough times. No, it was some great times. Um, sitting in jamming with my uncles in the room smoking cigarettes and [ __ ] Um, how old were you smoking cigarettes? Four or five. in their room when they put the cigarette in the ashtray. You grab it. I grab. Those are those are those memories, man, that it make you think about the entire situation. You know, you’re in the room with your uncle Eric and Eddie, right? My grandmother beating on the door, telling us to turn it down. My grandfather in the room cussing up a storm, you know. Um, we just just making music, bro. I remember that [ __ ] But it’s so emotional going back to growing up. I don’t know if if it touch other people like that, but it with me because I feel like I didn’t get a chance to be a kid. I feel like I was always grown. Like, you know, I didn’t realize that I was homeless until like now. Really? Yeah. When I left my grandmother’s house. How old were you? left my mom, my grandmother. I was probably 12, 13. Went to go live with Warren, his mom, and Neil and my sister Tanya. We all, but she was always gone. So, it was kind of like we raised ourselves, right? You know what I mean? I got like 15, 16 years old. My mother rented an apartment in her name for me to go live in. Like you was living in an apartment by yourself. Let’s just call my mom, dog. Let’s just do that cuz I don’t want nobody to think I’m full of [ __ ] Pause. Hey, I’ve been know y’all the years. I’ve been thought that [ __ ] N you chill that story. Hey. Hey, Warren Lee. I need a plug for my phone. All right. Where the Hey, mama. Yeah. So, I’m I’m I’m here on uh Club Shay Shay with Shannon Sharp. Uhhuh. How old was I when you rented that apartment for me? Well, I think he was either 15 or 16. And that’s that’s my mama. Yep. And you stayed by yourself and did very well. And have I been back home yet? No, but I wish you would come and just check on your mother. Yeah, that would I I’m 54 years old, bro. I ain’t going back home. Mama, I love you to death. I just wanted to clear that up, man. And I know for a fact that I was smoking cigarettes. Did you know, Mom, did you know he was Listen, listen to my mama. This my mama. You doing everything you wanted to do. All I can tell you is that you was you had luck on your hand. You was charmed. You were a charmed young man. Cuz people loved you and they didn’t even know why they loved you. There was that charmed. Yeah. He he kind of had that he kind of had that impact on people. I don’t know why him friends everybody everybody loves him. everybody. Yeah. I even had people to walk up to me and says, “You have such a fine uh respectful young man.” I’m thinking, “Really? Really?” Too funny. Even when he’d go by houses and things, people would just say, “Oh, that’s your son. He’s just so mannerable. He just got the best manners.” Oh, Lord. What have you told this these people? You know, I tell them anything, mama. I love you to death. I’ll call you later. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Thanks, M. All right, baby. Told you. I can’t make this [ __ ] up. Did you play sports? I did. I was a running back. Okay. You uh Squan, you Derek Henry, you Josh Jacobs, you I mean who who you I was Sweetness. You was Walt Payton. I was Sweetness and Earl Campbell mixed in one cuz if you was standing there Oh, you going to run. You going to run up put that mother helmet in your windpipe and keep going. Keep going. I played with Allan. Allan Aldridge was a former teammate of mine. We won a championship together. He came I was in there and I got there in 90. He came in 94. Uh rest in peace. He passed away a year or two ago. So I went to school with Al. Yeah. Love that kid. You wrote in your autobiography. My daddy was dead. My mama didn’t want me. I didn’t really get along with my stepdad and my grandmother already had nine kids of her own. That’s the truth. So there really wasn’t a place for me at her house either. We got very similar stories cuz my grandmother had nine kids of her own. She raised her nine and took my mom’s three. Damn. Cold. Your your grandmother had nine kids. And then you have brothers and sisters. Yeah. But my grandmother didn’t have to raise my brother. Well, she he raised she raised my sister, right? But um she took on everybody else’s um children in the neighborhood, you know what I mean? Like everybody else, that was their mama, too, right? You know, so yeah, my grandmother was a cold piece of work, man. She was a She never learned to drive. No, my grandmother didn’t learn to drive either. That’s crazy. Quick to go get on the passenger side. She go get in the passenger side and tell and and tell you how to drive. Slow down. You going You ain’t got no life. You ain’t got What the hell? And then my mother would always tell her mother, “How many steering wheels on this car?” Yeah. My mama was cold blooded. So, so I’m looking at So, we’re 21 years apart in in all of those stages, right? So, I’m 21 years younger than my mother. My mother’s 21 years younger than my grandmother. Wow. Yeah. So, I can see my life 21 years from now. Wow. And and and 21 years from that, right? You know what I mean? Right. And and and and that that [ __ ] always makes me think about the end, Shannon. That [ __ ] makes me think about the end. I can’t focus on living. Are you afraid of dying? I’m not, but I’m just saying I ain’t got no time. I run out of time. I’ve run out of time. Like that clock, man, is ticking, man. And I don’t want to waste my time, bro. But they ain’t waste my time. That’s my biggest fear cuz I can’t get it back. No. Time is the most valuable currency because once it’s gone, it’s gone. It can never be back. Get your money back. Get your house back. Get your all that [ __ ] back. Get your friends back. Can’t get time back. I seen get his money back. Yes. But I ain’t never seen nobody get his time back, man. And all I can think of, [ __ ] I’m 54. [ __ ] I’m 54. I got a bad ticker son kidney and I’m like wow you face you still think about the 54 the 54 great years yes you had open heart I saw the scar yes you have your son’s kidney I saw the scar but 54 years think about how pause go ahead Yeah, there you go. No, cuz I don’t want to cuz [ __ ] be like, “Yeah, they was in there in the room with puffing them like back off.” But think about think about the 54 great years. Yeah, but I ain’t trying to cut the off now, Shannon. Come on. You afraid? I’m not scared. I know that that’s the inevitable, man, but I don’t want to I don’t want to run out of time right now. No, you’re not. Why you thinking about that? See, you thinking about dying. You ain’t thinking about living. And that’s my problem. I can’t get past it. I played with that [ __ ] so much growing up until I’m like, [ __ ] I cheated when I was uh uh a year. When I was five, when I was seven, when I was nine, when I was What year was that? We went in that we went in that store, man. People came in there and robbed that goddamn store. I was about 16, 17. 15. Probably 15, 16, 17. He was just leaving a fresh fest concert, man. And I seen I seen it. Who was it? Some Hispanic cats. They survived the ride of gas station. Yeah. They came in there, man. I seen I said, “Bro,” I said, “Dude got a dude got a big ass gun on him. Let’s go. Let’s go.” Ain’t that what I said? Yeah. Let’s go. Got out of there, man. Next morning, that [ __ ] on the news. They shot it up, killed that man. Ducking death. Wow. Ducking death. So, man, you know, from being shot, you know, being in places I shouldn’t have been. Mhm. Uh, being in places I was in, [ __ ] just happened. And I’m looking at how death is just saying, “Okay, you come here. You come.” I’m sitting there like, damn. Damn. Okay. Now you It’s touching people around you, but it I mean super close. When I was when I was uh in surgery, they um uh my brother, my manager was in there while he was and they was like he was like he realized it was taking longer than it was supposed to take. And then when the doctor finally came out, when the surgeon finally came out, which is a friend of mine, he came out and he told him, “Man, I know that y’all probably hear this all the time, but I don’t know how he’s still here.” Damn. You know, I I don’t know, bro. It’s a blessing, but I don’t want God to be mad at me and just keep me here and everybody be dead like all y’all be dead and I’ll be in this by myself or I just go fast like I I Have you been able to appreciate the love that you No, I have not. I have not. I have not been able to. And that sounds ungrateful as [ __ ] Um, I just grew up too fast, bro. And I feel like everything that I was working for, I was working to get to. You know what I mean? I feel like I accomplished everything that I set out to accomplish at a young age. My grandmother would always say when she would talk to her friends at the church or on the phone or whatever that you can never underestimate what a what what what a what a what a child is saying because I remember telling my grandmother and my grandfather that I was going to be a big rock and roll star and I was going to buy uh my grandfather a big ass boat so we can go fishing and I was going to get my grandma a new house. I said this out of my mouth. All right. This is what I said out of my mouth. And my grandmother after all of this stuff started happening, she was saying, “You can never underestimate what it what comes out of a child’s mouth, man.” Because that’s what happened. And it happened so fast by the time from Well, but I started when I was 14, right? Okay. I started, you know, trying to rap at 14. you know, trying to DJ. I started off as a DJ at at 14 years old. That’s what I wanted to focused on it. I was all right. I was good enough to make it. What you mean? Yeah, I did. You made money. I mean, you did you DJ. You did your middle school parties. I did. I mean, you okay? I mean, they ain’t want to play no money. They probably play you. They didn’t have to pay me no money. I already had a little money. What you doing? Something shady. What’s shady? You know what shady is? No clue. You shady, right? I think you you have to you got to do what the times call for, right? You see what I’m saying? Mhm. Like you got to do what the times call for. And if call came for throwing newspapers, [ __ ] I threw the newspaper. Hey, does anybody have some uh toilet paper, napkins, anything? We got the right here. Okay, cool. One second. The coolest thing about it sh is when I pause this right quick cuz this [ __ ] going to sound terrible. Mute this [ __ ] Snuffle up against ass [ __ ] Oh, big nose. Good thing you ain’t have no habit. I can’t say that. Ah, damn. Faith and you still got money. I ain’t got no money. I don’t want no money. Look how this [ __ ] looking at me. I don’t got no money. I don’t want no money. I don’t want no money. Okay. Hell no. You know what happen when you got money? Mhm. Every [ __ ] body else want your money. I want no money. Your dad passed away. How old were you when your dad passed? My biological? Yes. maybe seven or eight. Do you remember? I don’t know him. I didn’t never know him. Um but I know how he died cuz I have the newspaper articles on how my biological father died. Mhm. He died in a woman’s house because her husband or boyfriend shot him through the door. is or argued by the woman. There you go. Or arguing by the woman. And when he came to the door, the man shot him through the door and killed him. And um yeah, that’s why when chicks be like, I’m mad, I be like, [ __ ] that’s you. I’m good. Go ahead. But yeah, my dad now my my dad He just passed. Mhm. Yeah. He taught me He taught me the game, man. He taught me the real live game, the real life hustle game. My dad was the weed man. Mhm. And uh he would have stalks of weed drying in the closet and I would uh I would go in there and I would take uh the little Remember the brown You don’t know nothing about this, but they had the brown uh bags. Yeah, the Yeah, the little nickel bag. Yeah, it wasn’t a nickel. It was a nick. Okay, my bad. They came with that later. It was no nick when you was growing up. When I was growing up, it was a nickel bag. No, it was a nick. It’s still a nickel bag. No, Shannon, I’m not going to ride with this. A nick. Okay, go ahead. So, I put it You make you a nick. Yeah. And then you can make you a big dime. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. So, we had this parsley seed uh you had parsley in the uh And there go my cousin right there. We had parsley in the uh in the in the in the kitchen. Right. Mhm. So, I didn’t want my daddy to know I was stealing his weed. So, I pop off some of that bud where that was dried off real good and I get enough and I just step on it a little bit with some parsley season. Now, how in the hell did I know to do that? I don’t know, but I did it. You’ve been shady for a minute. I’ve been shady for a minute, man. But I but I can I can honestly say my stepdad, man, taught me responsibility, man. He taught me to he he he taught me how to be a man, bro. And you know what? Standing he stood in the gap, bro. Um, my other my cousin Verdice always say, “Man, we we we we you got to love it, man.” He stood in the gap, man. Cuz he didn’t have to do that, right? You know what I mean? He didn’t have to do that, man. It’s not easy being a steparent. That man didn’t call me step. You call your son. That’s it. Period. Did you always have a great relationship with him? No. I didn’t have a great relationship with my stepdad until I understood, you know, until I grew up. You know what I mean? Yeah. I’m like, damn, bro. ain’t trying to move me out the way. He trying to give me some gain. And I think from the time when I was uh when I started going back to visit, you know, I started getting little jewels and and and stuff from and I never will forget I was coming back from out of town and I I had some stuff with me that came from my job and I gave it to my daddy to hold it to hold it for me. And then I gave the money and I came back and got all my supplies that I went to work with and my money too. And it was years and years and years and years and years and years down the line. And I brought it up to him and he said, “Yeah.” I And my mama said, “What?” He still had it? No, he he never told my mama about it. Wow. You know what I mean? And that just let me know that even more so how how how solid and how how how he stood on business, man. Sometimes we don’t appreciate stuff. No, I I appreciate him there because he taught me how to be responsible, man. Right. And I would always say that when I would up, I say, “Man, I don’t even want to talk to my daddy about it cuz he’d always drill in my head about being responsible, man. Be responsible. this is you, you know, and I got a lot a lot a lot of respect for that man. Rest in peace to Willie Terry because he was a hell of a dude, bro. I read that you used to write down all the sayings. I live with my grandmother and I can, you know, recite all the sayings her and my grandfather Yeah. would say. Why did Why did you do that? I don’t know, man. Um, you didn’t you you know what you you you don’t realize how smart a person was until you don’t have them around or or you you you take that that phrase you don’t get old being no fool for granted growing up but when you think about it hell my grandmother was 93 94 years old when she got out of here so I know she was no damn fool and she had plenty sense man and and it’s not the education cuz a lot of these people they quit school in second third grade. Yeah, I I’m one of them people that quit. Don’t laugh at me. Hold on. I’m talking about Hold on. Talk about Let me We got to go back. You just said that Skyline, right? Willeridge. Willeridge. They having a class reunion 35 years. Yeah. How you get to go? I was there. What? You No. No. No. No. No. No. No. You You quit before they got there. No, I was there. No, just just because you started that class, you got to finish it. I’m way gone. Yeah. Well, you don’t get to go to the reunion. Well, that would tell them that, man, cuz they calling me. I’ve been to every last re I’ve been to How you get to go to the reunion. Call them. Am I missing something? I I I had an impact on my class, man. Faith, what grade did you go to? Ninth and a half. You don’t go that far. Why you convinced the other two would have? For what? And I don’t want to say that. I don’t want nobody to hear me say that. But for what? Because I can count. I can read. I can multiply. Yeah. Oh, you cheating like a mother. No, no, no, no. See, actually, you supposed to put a drop in there and it opens up the body. Let me see. No, you got to put a drop in there. Open up the body. I’m like, I got a concert tonight, bro. I got Yeah, they they let me. Well, so you’ve been So, you went to the five year, the 10 year, the 15, the 20, 25, 30. Yeah, I go to two class reunions. How? Cuz I was in both classes. I kind of did what the I wanted to do and all that. That’s That’s a parent for real. Consider you going to class reunion and you ain’t graduating. I had a math teacher, y’all, that would sit my desk out in the hall every time I came to her class. She knew that I was coming and she’d have a desk in the hall for me. Cuz you want some bull drive. No, I went on no bull drive. I forgot you don’t curse. So I ain’t going to curse no more. I don’t He don’t like that [ __ ] So um I mean cuz when I finish with my work, I’m gone, right? I couldn’t sit still, man. You know? Yeah. My mind would always say, “What’s going on in here? What is going on in here? No, mama. She say, “Well, I don’t want you driving no more cuz you’re not focused.” She would always say that she don’t want me driving. She want somebody else to drive for me because I have too much going on in my head. And [ __ ] riding Hill always be laughing at me, you know, cuz I don’t I be on the phone talking. I’ll be looking in the back seat and driving. Yeah. Yeah. So, as a child, did you feel different? Did you think you were different because you had all these thoughts in your head? Did you talk to any of your friends like, “Man, I be thinking this.” And they, you know, I went to, you know, they put me in a uh an institution for this. You know that, right? That’s in my book, right? Yeah. Yeah. They put me in a um I spent I spent some time in in in one of those things, man, because of um They put you on the 5150 hold. That’s a psych hold. Yeah, I was on a hold. And I was in there and I spent a lot of I I stayed there a long ass time. Do you remember how old you were? I mean cuz you I mean I was pre-ad so I had to be 11 12 years old. Mhm. So I wasn’t quite an adolescent yet. So were you were you doing thing I mean what were you doing that day thought that this would be this would benefit you? What was I doing? Yeah. Uh they said that I was manic depressive and uh uh with with suicidal uh uh tendencies. They thought that I was going to kill myself. And I I never said I was going to kill myself. I did cut my wrist a couple of times. I did uh overdose a couple of times, but I realized now, you know, that being older that if you really wanted to just die, you would just die. Were you looking for attention? So maybe I was seeking some attention from some attention that wasn’t there, that has never been there. You know what I mean? And I’m going to say I say it a thousand times, but I I wasn’t I wasn’t um I wasn’t controlled. I didn’t have parents that’ll, you know, stop me from You didn’t have guardrails. You didn’t have I have no guard rails. I didn’t have no boundaries. You know, my uncles were already grown. Mhm. You know, and you doing what they do. I’m doing what they doing. I’m smoking cigarettes. I’m smoking weed. I’m got I got uh Indian charges. You know what? I smoked crack for the first time in 1983 when the [ __ ] was cool. That’s that that’s like at the height of the epidemic in the 80s in the beginning. No, no, that was the cool part in the 80s cuz you had functioning uh uh uh functioning um fiends. You can’t say addicts, man. That’s not proper. They they weren’t fiends. They just they just were users, right? But you do realize like the 80s that ushered in the crap. No, no, it ushered it in. But back in the early 80s it was cool, trust me. And now in the 80 now when I got a hold to the [ __ ] and started it got it wasn’t cool no more, right? That’s when the [ __ ] started not getting cool. But so that’s before they started stealing TVs or be Yeah. That’s when they started pawn and [ __ ] That’s that that’s when my game switched. Right. So, I never got hooked on dope. Mhm. But, you know, my uncle would come in from the construction on another thing too, like like it was all black construction concrete workers and and and and flag men on the side of the road, right, when we were growing up. Um, and then it changed and I will get back to that. But, uh, my uncle would come in, man, he have a eightball, man. I learned how to cook. He put that [ __ ] in the beaker and he he he’d uh beat it with the uh the torch and and and put water in there and burn it until it turned into a a long little thing and he and it fall out and I hit it one time. There it is. But I wasn’t but 11 12 years old. When you say you never got a chance to be a kid, you never got a chance to be I never got a chance to be a kid. You also How were you when you said living is hard, dying is the easy part. I was this year I was this I was this many years old. It was it was it was now it was an adult like dying is the easy part. And that’s why I said it again, man. If you I was probably trying to get some attention from some some seeking attention from people that pay no attention to nothing. You You’re actually your biological father. Your bi You don’t know my biological at all? At all. But I knew I do know the the uh the side of my biologicals family. And I met uh my cousin in Chicago when we were adults. Wow. Uh-huh. And he said my daddy name and I said, “Yeah, this know something cuz don’t nobody know his name.” You know what I mean? And um then we’ve been super duper tight. And I got a couple other cousins that I met over the over that that span too. But uh I didn’t know my dad my my biological at all. How do you learn to deal with those demons? Because you said there are things going in your head. you know, cut yourself and you tried some other things. Have you learned? Because I think, and we’re going to get to this, I think that’s a lot of where your creativity, man, are you a psychiatrist or something, bro? Did you go to school for this [ __ ] I took a couple of classes. Yeah. Okay, go ahead. You trying to dig this [ __ ] out? Well, how did you feel when you were seven and you’re But I’m just saying because I mean listening at your raps and seeing a man die, see a man cry and the way you rap and the creativity. I don’t know if you know this guy. There’s a uh a poet uh William Cullen Bryant and he wrote a lot about death. Fanopsis is as famous is as famous. I’m going to go into this, but I I you know, I regret writing about death, you know, writing so much or or or or the state of being, you know, dead. I regret writing about that [ __ ] because now it’s it’s it’s so close, man. You know, have you always thought about dying or you got to your 40s or 50s? I have. No, I’ve I’ve always thought about dying. Like I’ve always wanted to see how it felt to just die and then like come back and tell a mother like, “Bro, you don’t want this ain’t what you want. No, you won’t go in there.” Yeah. But no, in the cool, man. I always felt like um did you ever did you share these thoughts? Did I mean I did. You did. A lot of my songs. No, I’m saying I had nobody to talk to. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? So, I I talked through my my pen. I didn’t have nobody to talk to. And and I feel like I feel like um if I told somebody how I felt or told somebody, you know, what I was thinking, they probably think I was crazy. Yeah. You we going to say that? Yeah. So, a mad face get a brag get a check. Yeah. And and and now at this age, I don’t care what they think. You know, I already been through it, right? I’m I’m I’m I’m I’m coming out of the storm. So, your friends didn’t know. Or did they? I didn’t have any friends. Damn. I don’t think I had I had people I hung out with sometimes, but I didn’t really have no friends, right? I didn’t really, you know, that’s crazy though. You know how you got a whole lot of friends you grew up with and they was your friends and y’all was right friends. But I ain’t really got no whole lot of friends like that. I think it was probably because I lived in a in in two different two different households, you know. Mhm. When I was with my grandmother, my uncles was my friends and they friends was my friends, you know. So, you’ve always had an old soul because that’s all you’ve ever been around. You’ve never been around really your age? No. My oldest friend that I I’ve known in my life, my oldest friend that I met probably when I was one or two or three years old died the other day from a massive heart attack. And I’m thinking to myself like, “Wow, here we go.” Calling everybody said, “Brad, yeah.” And and and why I mean you said you dropped out of school in the ninth grade. Ninth and a half. Ninth and a half. Or so you was almost a sophomore. Almost. When you told your did you tell your mom that you was dropping? You tell your grandma? What did they say? Oh, you just didn’t go to school one day? I didn’t live with them, bro. I was gone. So they didn’t know if you was going to school or not anyway? Who cared? I was already gone. My mama got me an apartment, man. She just said it. Yeah, she said it. 15 16 and you did quite well. Yeah. If you had if you had lived with your mom, you lived with your grandma, do you believe you’d have quit school? Yeah, maybe. No. You know what? I would have quit school. You know why? Why? Because no pass, no play came into it. What damn face? Yeah. And I was smart as you could imagine, but it was just boring to me, you know? And when they implemented the no pass, no play, like I was a football player, man. Right. I wanted to play football. And when they said no more football, I didn’t want to go to school. No. So what am I going to school for? Cuz I really just going to school to play football. I can add subtract, read, and write. But I I want to I want to play I want to play. Mhm. You know, I want to play football. Is it true you beat up the principal? I did. Why you beat the principal? That man old. He wasn’t old. He wasn’t old back then. He was old. He had to be in his 30s. That wasn’t old. You was 14, 15. I wasn’t that old. Well, damn. How old were you when you beat the I was in like the sixth or seventh grade. Damn. I had a fight with somebody in the commons locker area. and um his brother came by to the fight. So I gave him the business. I gave his brother the business. And then um one of the principles came by was trying to pull me, but they weren’t pulling them. So I gave them the business. And then the other principal, Miss Kyle, she came by. I gave her the business. Yeah. You had to go to school. I don’t You weren’t going to be able to go back to that school. You might have went to school somewhere else in another district, but you weren’t going back there no more face. If I would have really wanted to go back to that school, I could have went back to that school. Not if you don’t beat up the whole damn school. Didn’t matter if I was determined to go back. As a matter of fact, I think all I had to do was like like uh two or three months in uh uh in school. No, in alternative school and I didn’t do that. I didn’t do it. Why were you acting out? I don’t think it was acting out. I just didn’t want to be with. You know what I mean? Like I’m cool as hell, man. Until you push that button. But you effing with people. No, I’m not. I’m not. I’m cool as hell, man. Just don’t with me. Don’t Don’t Don’t push him out cuz he’ll come. You know what I mean? I’ve been keeping him nice and hid for these past for these years. These years and they brought they brought something out of you that day. Oh my god. Don’t you don’t want to see him. I don’t want to see him no more. I don’t want to see him. Remember when we were sitting there? I said, “Man, I ain’t got no whole lot of people I ride around. I don’t ride around with nobody.” Yeah, I don’t. I I ride around with a pistol cuz I know what I’m going to do, right? I know what I’m going to do. Don’t make me make that. Don’t make me make that decision. Can we Can we leave the pistol hall when I come to Houston? No. Oh, Lord. Can I’m just going to meet you there. I’m just going to meet you there. Can you drive? Yeah. I’m going to meet you at the spot. Yeah, you can meet me. Are you not coming to Houston? I am coming to Houston. I’m not going to call when I come to get you. I almost moved to Houston. That would have been a disaster. Came close and came down to Vegas and Houston. Ain’t too late. See, the team be want to move to Houston so bad they want to go. Yes. [ __ ] man. You could be neighbors possible. No. Hell no. You’re lonely department. I mean, cuz like when you’re on your own, you could do a lot of stuff. So you got an apartment and you start selling. No, you were selling before then. No, way before then. I worked at a movie theater. Selling what? drug? No, man. I ain’t never sold no drugs, man. So, so when you ste So, when you stealing your stepfather’s weed, you were just smoking it. You and the boys were smoking it or you just smoking it. I was stealing weed and putting parsley seeds with the weed. But what were you doing with it? You wasn’t just steal just to steal. That’s the part I’m trying to get to. Well, I would roll up uh $2 squares. Mhm. And if anybody wanted to buy a square. So you were selling drugs. It’s I wasn’t selling drugs. That’s weed. Okay. Selling weed. But I I I was like seven, eight years old. Oh lord. I wasn’t I wasn’t I wasn’t just Nino Brown. No, but Nino Brown didn’t start. But that was my personal, right? You know, I’m just not going to give it away. If you wanted you, that’s $2 square. And if I had a Nick a nick on me. Yeah. And and my nicks never was real nicks though. So you No, they weren’t real. They were never real Nick Knicks, man. Cuz I’d roll me a couple of squares out the nick and I sell it. So it be a couple of squares short. Yeah. A Nick, how many square could you get out of Nick back in the game? About three. Three. Three or four. About three or four. So y’all know they wasn’t cutting two hours. But but but the thing is you probably that homegrown. So they were bumped to begin with. That homegrown. You ever had some homegrown? Golly, that is the most terrible weed ever, man. You don’t cut some grass and let it dry. No, man. Nah, nah. That homegrown I don’t even It just give you a eyeh high. Yeah. Like your eyes just be high. You don’t really be high, though. But I never um I I I had a job and um I worked at the movie theater, but before the movie theater, I had another job. I had a hustle. Yeah. So, I was hustling. All right. Do you let you let your homies in the movie theater of the free or you let them cut? Hey, give me a dollar. I’ll let you in. No, I just let them in. Matter of fact, I ain’t really had no homies, man, that would come by there like that, right? You know what I mean? And this was And I was too young to be working anyway, right? I was like, it wasn’t too long back then cuz they put your ass to work. No, bro. You had to be You were supposed to be right. Excuse me. And these were white people, right? I worked in Bair at a movie theater, right? You had to you had to work like eight hours a day sometimes. And me being 16 years old, you know, they wondering why I ain’t in school. So, I told them that I was 18 years old, right? So, I can keep that job. You keep that job. But I filled out an application at this Hypermark called Oshan. Okay. They had just built the biggest it’s it’s big like Walmart like Sam’s or something big big big big and I worked as a stock boy at night and uh overnight and I worked a few days man and they wrote that I had a check man that check was $400 and something dollars that was a lot of money back then that was a lot of money for a couple of days of work right so I I I never I went and got my check and I never went back to work well damn did you didn’t you want another check I invested I invested in my in your other business in my business. Mhm. Yeah. Investment. I invested. Yeah. Mhm. And then when I started making uh music, I had a lot to talk about. I had a lot to talk about, right? Because I I knew several businesses. You had uh you had a as they say, you had life experience. You lived life more by the time you were 16, 17 most people live. For sure. No question about it. Yeah, for sure. Remember we was eight years old and um we used to wear these medallions Mhm. that we got from the game room down the street and they would ask us uh no the guy would swear us in. We take an oath, you know, I sw I I solemnly swear to protect the week and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Right. So guy walks into this place called You Told him. We was kids, man. And um we were hiding in there and they robbed that place and they they shot that clerk, man. Never will forget that. You were there. Yeah. Me and a couple of me another couple of buddies of mine, we were there. I was um this lady had got um shot in our apartment complex and it’s the first time that I ever seen like blood like that and it was thick like I can’t even describe how thick it was but it was so thick man and that lady was dead her husband killed her and that lady was dead and that blood was thick, bro. It was so thick. Yeah. Yeah. As a kid, man. Traumatized, man, by just different stuff I seen over the years. you know, the first starting of my career, you know, every concert we had, somebody would get killed or, you know, two girls in in and I don’t know if that was San Diego or or somewhere we was at San Diego. Yep. So, we was in San Diego and we finished a concert and got ready to leave. Two girls laying out on the side of a Volkswagen bug dead. like all the shows, man. Somebody got shot, somebody got this, somebody got that. Every neighborhood that we lived in, somebody was Man, I remember we used to have parties in the house parties, man. And we would go in that house party, even go to the great state skate. We go in there to fight, man. And and always had a pistol on me. I always had a pistol. Your uncle stole for from you and your grand is it is it I think it was in your book where you said your uncle stole for and your grandfather shot at you. Yeah. Your your uncle stole money. What did he steal from you? um some material that I have to use to go to work with [Laughter] or like like wrenches like a monkey wrench but yeah for my job yeah yeah for my job construction worker yeah yeah how you going how you go how you going to do your job if I don’t have my my my my stuff to do my job with so we I we had a fight you know he stole Cuz did nobody else know where it was? So you fought your uncle? Yeah. You get it back? No. You beat your uncle up? I did. Did you apologize to him? I do. You didn’t at the time, but you do now. Yeah. Why your grandfather shoot at you? costy. You got that you you got to keep him in there, man. You gotta keep him in there because you let him out, bro. Yeah. That [ __ ] is bad. Bad, right? So, he shot at me and I heard you right, bro. Yep. the the tools that you needed to go to work with. Did you ever use any of those tools? I did. Did you get hooked? I didn’t get hooked. I didn’t get um I didn’t get addicted, but I I used it before. Yeah. You have to you have to you have to make sure that the frame that you build you got to make sure it’s okay. Right. Yeah. You want you don’t want the ceiling to fall in when you start walking on the roof, do you? You tried to rob a So who tries to rob. So what was your thought process in that? What? You robbing a bank. I ain’t never tried to rob no bank. You was successful. No, I don’t know no one want to rob no bank. That’s where the money at. Me? Yeah. Rob a bank? Mhm. No, bro. My name Brad, not Rob. When did you When did you say, “You know what? Enough of all this other stuff that I got going on. I’m going to the rap game.” Mm-m. You didn’t make it. It didn’t happen like that. No. So, how did you start rapping? How’ I start rapping? Yeah. It was a cool ass pastime in junior high school and high school. Okay. Right. Rapping. You was only there for a year and a half in high school. So it wasn’t that cool. It was cool. Okay. Because everybody went from one school to the next. So we all knew each other. So it kind of feel like I did graduate. You know, kind of feel like I was still in school with everybody to this day. Yeah. We still together. Um, I feel like when I when I first started uh uh growing a passion of rapping for for for rapping, you know, I was listening to everybody and then when um I heard um uh KRS1, I think that’s when I really wanted to start to be a rapper. When I heard Ice Tea, I really wanted to be a rapper. When I heard Ice Cube, I really wanted to be a rapper. Now, listening to LL Cool J and Big Daddy Kane let me know that I couldn’t be a rapper, you know, because they were just so immaculately uh skilled. Not that uh none of the other uh artists that I mentioned aren’t, but it was just when I heard that, I was like, you know what? I want to do this. Right. All right. But so I I um ended up making a couple of records with a guy in Houston and um I made a song called Scarface. Mhm. And it came out. It was the first one that we that that that’s the first one that um we probably ain’t heard yet. But um a buddy of mine, Chris Barry, rest in peace, they call him 32, had we were we were together and we made a uh he made a record. I don’t remember the name of it, but it was more of a radio friendly record and the record label uh wanted to go with that because it was more user friendly. Right. Right. And on the other side of town, there was another kid that wanted to put me that like what I was saying and wanted to put me, you know, in a group. Mhm. Now, mind you, about 3 or 4 months before that, I had rode the bus over to um to the car lot to play some songs for him. and one of the cast was was like, “That’s not what we looking for.” And then like a few few weeks, few months later, you know, uh Steve Fier played a record for Lil Jay at the Rhinestone Wrangler parking lot and [ __ ] dude was at my house and I was like, “Man, how you find me?” Just like that. Yeah. You mentioned KRS1 known as a lyricist. Big Daddy Kane lyricist. Rock him lyricist. People put you in that. And you are a storyteller and that come people that you know what you what I noticed and I’m a storyteller because I’ve hung around I hung around a lot of old people and old people told stories. You know go get your haircut at the barber shop and they playing checkers and they telling old man telling stories. Yeah. You’re a storyteller. Is that how you thought your rap career did? So, what were you hoping to be as a rapper? What was going to be? I didn’t know. I knew that at ICT told a a a cold ass story, you know, 6:00 in the morning, police at my door, fresh. So, you you know, it’s clicking now. Uh Ice Cube once upon a time in the projects. Yo, so we can’t just say that that that that that my storytelling is is all that, you know, uh what what about uh Will Smith storytelling? Mhm. You know, like Will Smith has some cold ass stories, man. Uh have you ever in your life experienced a day where nothing at all seems to go your way? Like day and day. Yeah. Hell of a storytellers, man. I grew up in an era of hip-hop where where it was a force to be reckoned with, man. They had some nice and you love to hear the story again and again how it all got started way back when like that. Those are immaculate come lines man. Those are beautiful openings to a book. Bro, you have to have you have to have that in order to be a coldblooded lyricist storyteller and they had that and it just it just came through me too. Do we have that now? In some cases, yeah, you got some cool some nice ass storytellers in in rap right now. If I if I were to ask you, give me your top five lyricists of all time. All times. All time. Top five. I don’t have a top five like that. Some greats. I’ll give you some names of some greats. Kane is a great. Rakima is a great um Chris is a great car was one. Yeah. Um that’s LL. That’s a LL. Yeah. You didn’t. I did not. No, you didn’t. L’s are great. Mhm. Uh great lyricist. Nas is a great Yeah. Jay-Z is a great I don’t have a top five, right? You know, like mine my my top five are going to the top thousands, you know. I I I think I think that pot I think that cube. I think that uh Shan and and who am I missing? Like I can’t I can’t because I I’ll miss everybody. Q-tip is great. Yeah. You know, Tia is a great Wayne is a great You were named lyricist of the year in 2001. You beat Ho B M Prodigy to leave Koop. Who? You be a ho m prodigy. You surprised? Damn. I be damn. No, I’m just No, I mean I’m I’m I’m honored to be among uh uh the the greats, you know. How does that make you feel when they when people talk about lyricist? When they mention the KRS ones, when they mention the BDK, Big Daddy Kane, when they me when they mention Rock him, that’s that’s that’s in a selective few conversations, man, that my name pops up. I’m not I’m not I’m not mad or I don’t feel nothing, right? You know, I think that everybody’s entitled to their opinion, though. You feel me? Like, it’s it’s people that people think just like the best rappers in the world, and I don’t even I don’t even see them. You know what I mean? Oh man, he’s back. Nah. Chris Rock said you wanted one of the top three all time. No. No. Top three all times. Is if somebody if somebody had to say, “Okay, for your life, we going to add 10 extra years to your life. Give me your top four rappers all time.” Four. Four. Give me your top four. We’re gonna add 10 years to your life cuz we know you ain’t trying to go see the I just say [ __ ] it. Take take 10 off. For real, man. For real. You ain’t tried to go like that. I don’t care, man. I I I don’t have a top four, man. Like I I would say my top four influences then. Can I say that? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Well, I’m gonna say Chuck Chuck D. I’m gonna say Big Daddy Kane. Yeah, I’m going say ice cube. Shooty, man. I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta say Cool Jay because it was just music that dude put out that really inspired me to want to be this man. Yeah, I saw those guy, you know, the concerts. I saw LL uh the Fat Boy. I was there. That’s what I was talking about. DMC, uh, Houdini. Yep. I saw the French Fest. I saw all them in concert one year. I think it was like 1986. Yeah. That’s the year That’s the year. That’s the year that, uh, that that’s the concert we were coming from when dude robbed that store and and and killed the clerk. Yeah. Wow. That’s the concert we were coming from. It was called the Fresh Fest. Yeah, I remember. Yeah, man. Yeah. Do you like do you really I mean cuz I for me I don’t think these artist a lot of times artists today and people that follow rap and hip hop today I don’t think they give that generation the credit that they deserve because nowadays it feel like if they didn’t if if if they didn’t hear if they didn’t see it it didn’t happen on the internet yesterday it ain’t happened does that frustrate you I think it’s you know as as as as shameful as it is man I can understand that because look at what they doing with black history Yeah. Okay. You see what I’m saying? Like it it it’s it’s black history is becoming uh uh extinct. Mhm. You know, the more the more and more we we try to talk about it and bring it to the forefront, the more the more the more they try to hide it. Okay. So, I understand. And I would Yeah. If if if I was trying to brainwash people, man, I would do it exactly like that. I would first take their history away and then I would poison their music. This is exact that’s exactly what I would do because you it’s it’s really like I remember back in the gap man it was all fire and one or two you know uh it failed that slid through the crack right but now it’s one or two fires and everything slip through the crack. It’s my opinion, though. [ __ ] I’m And I, you know, I’m I’m uh I’m different. I’m cut different. I’m a little older and I know what it’s supposed to sound like. You know, I know the elements of hip-hop. I was blessed enough to come up in an era where came up in the golden era. The golden era. Yeah. And and and and I can I can I can actually go and thank my um the ones that came before me. I can thank them for what for the for the ground that they laid for me to stand on, man. Like I see uh I see Kane, you know, and I see L all the time, man. And I thank them. Even even uh uh uh Red Alert and Kid Capri. I thank them for letting me, you know, be a part of this. But I had the opportunity to sit down with uh DJ Cass, Casanova Fly. I’m the C N O V A N F L Y. He stole the man whole rap. That was Big Bang Hank. He wasn’t casting Nova Fly, right? But I heard the story um along with So it’s Kumo D casting over Fly and Fab Five Freddy having to talk, man, about hiphop, man. And I have never felt so unworthy to be in a room in my life, bro. Like I don’t feel worthy to be in there with that because when they talk about it from the beginning like it gives what Shan said, you love to hear the story again and again how it all got started way back when it give it a whole new meaning when you sit and you listen to them talk about hip hop from the concept the 50 years at the beginning. Yeah, man. It was unbelievable man. And I was I was a fly on the wall in that room listening to those voices tell that story, man. And I was like, “Wow, I’m not worthy.” Storytelling. How did How did that become a part of Cuz that’s who you are. You’re a storyteller, you know? I in I think it was in my English class. Uh my English Yeah, it was early. Okay. You trying to be funny? I told you I’m get your ass back on it all the time. You be popping on the Yeah, y’all be popping on Shannon ass hard, man. You see, I ain’t I ain’t fired you up on camera, but I’m not going to do it. Okay, I appreciate that. Okay, I’ll teach you that. You got it. But I already know you got something to b I got some [ __ ] now. Hey, so my my English teacher when I was probably in the third grade um used to always tell me about writing, man. writing, your story had to have a it had to have a beginning. It had to have a a body, a climax and then an ending. So, I always tried to write my records like that. Okay. You know, to drag you into the story, man, to give you the to to to grab you and put you in that [ __ ] like, “Oh [ __ ] I’m in.” Mhm. you know, and then take you to the climax of it and then end it. Yeah. So that that’s so it’s just some old English I was it English man or was it a reading class or writing class? I don’t know. Right. But whatever whatever class it was, it gave me that. Yeah. Because every excuse me, every story has to have a start, it has to have a middle, it has to have an end. Yeah. And that’s what he said. A beginning, a body, a climax, and an ending. Mhm. Yeah. So, I I took something from school. Right. You uh you were featured on Biggie Post. Did you meet Did you ever meet I met Biggie. I did. I met him uh in in uh uh Louisville, Kentucky. Okay. I met him there. Yeah. Cool dude, man. I never spent a lot of time with Biggie, right? But um I did I did have the um the honor of put being on one of the records from the Biggie duets, right? So I’m on that. Yeah. Um Pac spent a lot of time with Tupac because we we were discussing that Smile might have been the last studio thing he recorded. I can’t say that because he was always in the studio. I probably left the studio and he did 35 more records that night. Maybe. You know, he was a workaholic, man. But probably though, we’ have heard about it. True. What was he like? Pac was wild. He had a zero to 100. Zero one. He He He I have never seen him on zero though. Always always seen him on 100. I’ve always seen him on 100 and and and um yeah, I ain’t never seen him down. It was always it was always on fire. I remember one time um true story. Where’s Warren? So Pocket came to my room and I hate when Warren bring people to my room. So my brother brought Tupac to my room. We staying in the um in the Lamontros in LA. And Warren, I hate this man, but he knocked on my door. I open the door and it’s Tupac and Warren. Warren left. Tupac come in the room, man. And this is the first time we started smoking the weed from California. Uh-oh. So, I was really really really really really high. Yeah. And I had a I had a a suite and it had two beds, right? So I’m high. I’m watching TV, man. And Pac come in there with all that loud ass [ __ ] man. And I grab a remote control and I just handed it to him. He was in, “Yeah, man. We going so we this.” He He sat there on the bed for a minute, man. flipping through the channels. He walked to the uh to the patio door, looked out, and he seen Suge in a red Mercedes Benz. And he left. I don’t think that uh Pac was that cool with Suge back then, right? Cuz he did leave. And I don’t know, they could have been the best of friends, but I know that he was gone, right? And we ended up getting out and going out somewhere and I didn’t I didn’t see Pac no more. But me and Pac been on tours together, right? You know, we’ve been in Atlanta together. We we that’s that’s my partner, man. Like I would talk to Tupac on the phone before he was uh um Me Against the Not Me Against the World, but uh what’s one? What’s the the other album? All Out. I talked to Tupac before he was all eyes on me. All right. Me and Pac been down since uh Tupacal now. Pac. Mhm. You know what I mean? That’s the P I know. I know the the uh this is for my Pac. Wow. Yeah. I know that Pac. How is his sty writing style different than yours? I don’t know. You never seen him write anything? No, but I I can tell you that I was his favorite rapper and he was mine. So, I leave that I leave that where it’s at. So, maybe we did have similar writing styles, but we never wrote together. As a matter of fact, he would always be mad at me because it took me so long to write records, you know, pissed at me, man. Every time he comes in the studio, yeah, man, let’s get up. We going to go here. We going to go. No, I’m not going there, right? I’m not I’m not going anywhere with Pac to begin with because he doesn’t have a driver’s license. Now, well, back then he may have got one, you know, later, but he didn’t have no driver’s license, but he drive with no license. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And he couldn’t drive, man. And people was he trying to get me to roll that Hummer one time and somebody had a picture of that Hummer on the internet, man. And I was like, damn, man. That shot me back. But um he can’t he couldn’t drive, man. And he was wild and he’d be drinking and he’d be smoking weed and [ __ ] No, man. I’m not going to ride with him. He ain’t got no license. He drinking, smoking weed. Not a very good driver. No, that’s that’s a recipe for disaster, man. And to prevent [ __ ] is always better than trying to cure it. So, no pot. No sir. You told a story about Jay-Z and and how you know you were in the studio and he’s like, “Yeah, I like I like this one.” He gets up, goes into the booth, ain’t write nothing down. Oh. Oh, no. And all right. Dapp you up and and pieced out. I be like, damn. I’m sitting in front of the board stuck listening to the beat. He already raped. But he’ll sit in that little corner. Maybe I know you probably seen on on the on the Timberland uh when they dust his shows off. He hear the beat and he he rocking his [ __ ] and all of a sudden he going to take the vocal. Yeah. Explain tell the story uh uh the story of how you said you said Jay-Z helped you when you were at at your worst. We’ve heard stories about him what he did for Little Wayne. We heard what he did. You know Wayne had some tax trouble. Jay-Z clear. Um he let DMX leave. It was was in debt. Let him leave. I think uh 21 Savage helped him get an immigration lawyer. So we’ve heard these great stories no matter what people try to say bad about him, negative about him, but we hear more positive great stories. Tell your story. So you remember when I caught the CO and kidney failure and all that? Yeah. Yeah. Jay-Z chunk me a lifeline and you know when I had the the kidney and the co and the kidney Yeah. DJ Khaled chunk me a lifeline. Yeah. So can’t nobody tell me [ __ ] about Jay-Z and DJ Khaled. Wow. because they chucked me a lifeline and and and uh you know I I I gota I’m thankful. Yeah. You know what I mean? Cuz I was I was I didn’t I wasn’t working right. But yeah, so shout out to whole man DJ Khaled, you know? Um I always I always talk to uh when I talk to Jay-Z call him the keeper of the culture, man, cuz he do that big brother [ __ ] Yeah. You know, you think you think Ho would do another album for what? Because people say like for him for what? He’s got to it like it’s got to move him. It’s like it’s got to be something that like that calls out to him. And right now ain’t nothing calling. Let me tell you something, man. So, let me say this so I so I I won’t be misunderstood. He don’t have no reason to rap no more. You know, we rap because we was hungry, man. You know what I mean, right? Like, we we we spoke our we spoke our heart and told our side of the story because we was starving, man. You know, we ain’t starving no more. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. Absolutely. That man not starving no more, man. He not that man got kid. You see how he prepping them girls, man. You see that? It’s crazy, ain’t it, man? It’s unbelievable, man. How And and I’ve been I’ve been knowing uh that baby since she was a baby, baby. And to see her up there with our mama. I’m like, I called him, man. I said, “Boy, Wayne, didn’t we tell you that ain’t Wayne?” I mean, uh, that’s Warren. Warren. Warren, we at He can’t help it. He can’t help it. He can’t He cannot He cannot help that [ __ ] man. Ever since we was kids, bro, he was always on the phone. He always on the phone. Always. He on the phone sleep. He on the phone facetime driving and not saying nothing. We got We got to do better. Like he just on the Look, his air his earphones is got pods in. He is on the phone and he ain’t talking about [ __ ] cuz his mouth ain’t even moving. No, he just listen. He just stopped. He might be listening to a beat. He not listening to no beat. That [ __ ] can’t rap. God damn. Oh, help me understand this. I know you heard it cuz he was on he came on night cap. Jim Jones and his influence in Nas. You cool with Jim? I love Jim Jones, but he out his mind, ain’t it? I don’t know why you I’m not going to say [ __ ] about nothing. You okay with beefs? You ever have a rap beef with anybody? No, I ain’t got no I don’t want no beef. I don’t I don’t When you when you when you never I don’t want beef good if beef No, [ __ ] What you want to do? Like Like all that talking, [ __ ] What you want to do? Like all that talk. What you want to do? They want to talk. We be I don’t want a talking. What you want to do? Well, keep my name out your mouth, punk. Period. Don’t say [ __ ] about me. Like, that’s how I felt about it. That’s how you feel about it. Yeah. So, you ain’t going to have no beef, don’t you? [ __ ] I’m done now. The I’m going to be beefing for now. Yeah. You know what the you want beef? Oh, you want beef now? I ain’t rapping no more. You Now you want a beef? No, I don’t I don’t I don’t want no I don’t want no smoke from nobody in all honesty, man. Cuz I can’t control what nobody else do, right? You know what I’m saying? I can’t control what nobody else do. I ain’t got nothing to do with it, right? But I don’t have no control over what somebody else do, right? And and and back we was took that [ __ ] so serious and soal, man. They take it personal, man. Right. And I don’t I don’t never want to be in in involved in that kind of stuff, man. Right. You have a great relationship with Cube because you’ve been on a lot of the soundtracks. A mentor. He’s a mentor. You know, he’s a mentor. We were We made a song made. Yeah, I leave that. But yeah, he’s a mentor. You work with Master P. You work with some heavyweights face. I did. So, I was listening to a song. I’m going go back get the cube [ __ ] So I’m listening to the uh I’m listening to a record me and Cube did. We we sitting in the studio listening together, right? And I’m listening and he listening and I’m like and he like he’s like is that you or me? I said I don’t know. Damn. because that’s how similar our styles and delivery is, you know, that’s how much influence that and impact that he has and had on my career, right? You know what I mean? Cuz it’s certain [ __ ] that we don’t know the difference between like I have songs with Cube that we don’t know we don’t know the difference. Wow. Who’s who? You know, you can tell in the rap part, but you can’t tell in certain areas where you saying [ __ ] Like, who is that? That’s you. No, that’s me. No, that’s me. Where are you on ghost writing? Cuz some people like it’s okay. Then some people like I mean cuz nobody nobody, you know. I think now who cares? Really? Yeah. Okay. But back then Yeah. MC Light said it the best. He said, “Whoever wrote your rhymes might as well hold your microphone.” Damn. But now I don’t give a I’m not in no more. I don’t care. Right. Do you however you get out. Like everything has changed, man. They had the no snitch policy in effect. Everything has changed, man. Everybody telling everybody business. Truth. Yeah. So, no things have changed, bro. So, the right to ride policy. Yeah. Whatever. Drake moved to Houston. You ain’t tell them about to come. Drake don’t live in Houston. He got a place in Houston. He live in the country. So I want to live in the country, too. Okay. Go move to the country. You have you have no fun out there, but you have a lot of Well, no. Hell no. I know what you trying. You look I’m just show me around. Just show me where I need to live. Face. I’ll show you where you need to live. Okay. But after that, that’s it. Nah, I’m not going no way with you. Face. We still Hey, we going to kick it. I ain’t got nobody. I know you lying. We going to kick it. I know. Drake said UK rappers are better than American rappers. I don’t know a whole lot of UK rappers. I I I I you know what? I don’t know. I don’t know any UK rappers, but I I don’t have nothing against them UK or But that’s like me saying Kobe was better than Jordan. Yeah, you know, you had a blueprint to study, right? You know what I mean? Jordan created the blueprint for you to study. So for for Kobe to be better than him, that’s a possibility, right? You know, if you study the blueprint enough, you probably you be, excuse me, you become the blueprint, right? So if UK rappers are better than the rappers from the United States, they had enough to study. True. Okay. And they had enough time to study it. Mhm. All right. So, no comment. I mean, that’s that’s my comment. If you were to get, let’s say, you know what, somebody get Faith to come out, who would you like to get on the beat with? Nobody. Can’t nobody get you to come out of retirement. I’m done. I got on Cub’s uh uh uh uh uh ego. Yeah, but that’s it. That’s That’s best you going to do. Yeah, Ice Cube. I can come off ice cube. Okay. I did come up a cute, right? Houston, you got Beyonce, you got Meg, you got Travis Scott, you got Lizo, you got Bro, you got Bun B. Y’all, what’s what’s in Houston? What What are we missing about Houston? Hell, the cat out the bag now. Everybody moving there. Got room for one more. Hell no, man. Cuz you bring company. So yeah, uh um we got some dope ass artists, man. You missing you missing a lot out of out of Houston, man. You know, you missing a lot. You you you got you got uh uh Slim’s a native. Kiki’s a native. Yeah. Paul. Um Paula. Yeah. Paul Walker. Yeah. Lil Kiki. Yeah. Kiki. Yeah. Sauce. Walker. Yeah. Clay Kleó. like you got some heat coming out of Houston, man. They can really go. Kino um is one of the guys that came up a little before I did. And I think he’s the epitome of what Houston rap should have been, right? You know, or could have been because he’s a lyrical uh giant in it, you know. Matter of fact, he’s on my uh album. I can’t remember the song, but he’s on the um Emmeritus album with the song of me slim and uh Kino, but he’s a he’s a pillar in in in in in Houston uh hip hop, man. And it’s a few more, but we got some smoke out there, man. Yeah, you do. You do. You know, do you think people start beefing now just to get attention? Cuz I see a lot of people going in somebody I’m like, I didn’t know they were beefing. When did this happen? You asking about rapping, man. I don’t know too much about it no more. You know, I always thought that when you All right. The [ __ ] went to clothing. I’m going get one. But I got the edit button. Oh, you got dang show. When when when you when you beefing with somebody, man, somebody actually did something to you back then. Okay. Okay. you know, and and and when you saw each other, you fought. Mhm. All right. Perfect example is like uh Ice Cube in WA when Cube left the group and uh they both were at the new music seminar in New York, they fought. All right. Yeah. So, when you got a when you got a beef, man, they fight. You fight, right? You d somebody on record. When you see them, you got to be prepared to do whatever you got to do. Yeah. But now nowadays, they just talking. They just talking. Yeah. It’s just rapping. Yeah. Kanye, you you work with Kanye? I did. What What’s Kanye like in the studio? When I was working with Kanye, man. Kanye bad. He bad, bro. Oh, he Kanye cold. Kanye cold. I think sometimes we forget about that face because you see some of the antics that he’s got going on now. But you go back and look at college dropout 808, bro. Kanye uh would come to the studio. See Kanye was a producer man before he started rapping. Correct. Okay. And he always That’s him on the Dean on the Guess Who’s Oh, that’s that’s that’s Kanye. Wow. But Kanye when he back when he was making beats man like he played beats for days and days and days and he just sit there and play them and you be like, “Man, wow. I got so many beats from Kanye uh from the from the Fix album and um working on other stuff, but I got a lot of music with Kanye that never uh that I never put out, right? But Kanye was the the producer, man. And we had that we had a a a tight ass producer rapper relationship, man. And that was my friend, too, man. That’s my partner, right? you know, and um that fork that fork in the road, you know, we all started together. I always feel like me and Jay and and Yay and DMX and uh Irv and we were all in the office together. We was all in the office together and we was leaving. We was riding. We was riding and then they went here and I was like, you know what? I’m going to go home. I went home, man. And I don’t feel bad about going home, bro. Right. I don’t feel bad about going home because I don’t ever want to be in the position where I can’t enjoy what you have me. I just want to enjoy me, bro. You know, enjoy my life. enjoy the the the the fruits of my labor, you know, which ain’t a whole lot of [ __ ] but it’s mine and I and I ain’t got to have no 75 traveling with me when when I go somewhere, you know what I mean? I don’t have to hide and [ __ ] man. I don’t want to hide. I don’t want to run from nobody, you know? I just want to wave at them and and gone on about my business. So, I don’t want to be too famous. Never. Right. Sampling. Where are you on sampling? Do you let somebody sample some of your stuff? And if they do, do you have to hear it? I don’t care. I don’t care about nothing that got anything to do with this no more. Damn. Very very bitter about it. Why you so bitter about it? I just You feel you were wronged, taken advantage of. the the the music industry within itself is wrong. Okay. All right. If you look at I I would like to compare contracts. I would like to compare a Beasty Boys contract to a ghetto boy contract or you know what I mean? I’ I’d like to see uh um so I’d like to see other um genre artists artists. Yeah. I would like to see a a maze contract as opposed to a Van Halen contract. You feel me? Mhm. Like I know it’s a big big uh difference between the the pay scales in those contracts, but yeah, it’s not Nah, bro. So, I don’t care what they do with it. What do you know now you wish you had known then? I I don’t I don’t want to change nothing about it. You know, I’m right where I want to be. Really? Yeah. I’m not I don’t I don’t need no whole lot. You know what I mean? Like I don’t need a lot. I mean, you pay when I come to Houston, huh? You pay it when I come to Houston. I’m what? You’re paying. You going to reach in your back pocket, pull out your I don’t know if you maybe you carry a a money clip or something, whatever. And you going to put that down on what? You know, I like, you know, I like on you. Yeah. No, bro. Hold up. How I’m going to come to Houston and you think I’m going to pay, bro? I’m in Vegas and I ain’t even had lunch yet and it’s it’s 6:00. I haven’t even had breakfast. I I’m trying to figure out how that get to be my fault. I’m doing club shay. We we we we you know tight budget right now. No [ __ ] Tight budget right now. No [ __ ] streaming. No. Absolutely not. Should so so should rappers take their their music off stream to to get it back to where people got to pay real money to get it? Yep. I would I remember when it was 99 cent to listen to Yeah. or something. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like so here’s the thing. Like it cost it costed us so much money to make those albums. It cost so much to pay a producer. But now, you know what? I think producers may make a beat for $200. Now, I’m not lying. But I know I know back in the gap, you know, a Dr. Dre beat was $250 grand. You know, Timberland beat was 150 $200,000. Wow. As as as the Neptunes and all of them that that [ __ ] was high. Yeah. So, it would be shameful to get a beat from these top-notch producers and then have to put your [ __ ] on a stream and wait for it to stream, right? You know, 4,000 stream a million streams is $4,000. What? Yeah. 1 million streams is $4,000. Wow. So, you got to get So, basically, in order to get some money, you got to do like a billion streams if you want some money. Yeah. So like Drake and Kendrick, they doing billions. They doing billions of streams. So they getting money. Yeah. Beyonce, Taylor streams, you know. But I don’t It’s It’s too much. It’s too much red tape, man. In between that because you don’t never know. It’s kind of like the record selling too. You don’t know how many records you really sold, right? You know what I mean? What they tell you. It’s just go by what they tell you, you know? But the streaming I still I’m still not hip to how this works, right? And that’s why I’m not uh putting out putting out any uh new music. I’m not releasing any new music because it would just be all done in vain because those people have come up with something so slick to cut us all the way out the money. You know, the mom and pop saved hip hop. The mom and pop saved our lives because if we couldn’t do anything else, we can sell a h 100,000 records and make a million dollars. God forbid you sold a million records and made $10 million, you know. But you but you used to go back in the day, you look forward to going to the shop and getting the vinyl. You did. And you read the credits. Yes. And you can roll a square on the record. You say, “Yes, yeah.” You know, you pop the cassette in. I introed my album, The Fix. I got this brand new face tape I’m about to pop in the deck for you. Turn up the radio. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we we had we had jams, man. And they sold, not just listening to [ __ ] man. And oh, I’m I I’mma listen to this and I’mma pay him half a penny, but after this I want to hear something else and pay them half a penny. No, you had to buy that body of work. Yeah. Like you can’t you can’t like a a a a real artist, man, you can’t judge their body of work by one song. Okay. I would way I would prefer way more if someone would just listen to an album from front to back. That’s why all my [ __ ] jam from front to back because I had a chance to listen to my album from front to back. Right. And it jammed. You were at Def Jam South. You was running Death Jam South when you South when you discovered Ludicrous. I can’t say I discovered Ludacris. He fell in your lap. A whole lot of [ __ ] fell in lap. Ludacris was already doing numbers, you know. He was already he was in he was on the radio. Y and he already 30,000 records sold already on that What’s Your Fantasy? Yeah. Um so he was he was like a handsoff artist to me. Yeah. And he just fell on the lap. Death Jam picked it up and and push it a little further. But you got to think about all of the other artists that slipped through the cracks. You had an opportunity. What? You try to get TI, try to get Ross. Yeah. David Banner, uh, start naming them. I tried to bring them over there. But back then, the music that was coming from down south was so iffy to them. Like the the music from down south was so iffy to them. They weren’t on it like they on it right now. You know, at first you never you didn’t hear that, right? coming from the east coast of of California. Now that’s all you hear. Even if you’re not from down south, your music still sound like you from down south. Correct. That’s crazy. Yeah. But it is what it is. What have you learned about money face? It’s only It’s money is like religion, man. It’s only as good as the person who has it or who believes in it. You know what I mean? Cuz you could be you could be a a a a very very rich person and create a facade, you know, for everybody else like you’re the best person in the world, right? But when you’re elected and the and the and the lights get put on you, then they realize what kind of piece of [ __ ] you really are. All right. Mhm. Or you can be just a regular person with no money and be the greatest person in the world. So it’s only as good as the person who believes in it or has it. It’s like religion. I think Fat Joe said on his his podcast uh Joe and Jada that rappers live paycheck to paycheck. You believe that? It’s possible. It’s possible because you got to think about it. You get paid. Well, I don’t know how to get paid now. I don’t know how to get paid now, but you got paid twice a year. That’s it. Mhm. So, you had to make that money last. Yeah. Oh, you had to do a lot of shows, right? Yeah. You got paid in uh September and March. Mhm. Oh, the game is the gaming is all the way around crooked, right? You know, and and and and you made you sold all of those records and you get paid twice a year. Mhm. And then they got something they call reserves. They put some records in reserves in case they come back. And it’s like, damn. Then you never see that happening. And then it’s like, wow, they got a cold system going on. But it is what it is, right? You know, that’s that’s that’s the way that that that’s the way they designed it. And I’m looking at all of the older artists that’s like older than me. I’m looking at uh uh George Clinton get all his [ __ ] back. You know, they got it to where So your your your thing is going to revert back to you after what, 25 years? 35. 35. So you ain’t got but like you ain’t got but like 10 to go. 10? Yeah. You ain’t got much longer. You think I’ll be here that long? Yeah. You be here. Okay. Yeah. I mean, come to Houston. Copyright. I’m not kicking it with you, bro. Face. No, sir. Same age. I mean, we you just talk age. You sound You say same age. We close in age. I said you didn’t say same. Close, bro. You almost 60. Well, damn. Faith. Why you giving up my info, bro? Ain’t nobody ask you that. But you I got the cards. Why you get why you get Hey, but you know what though? You just talked we talked about snitching early. You remember you mentioned snitching. You mentioned snitching. But you know what though? When you walked in the building, I said, “Man, that man walk like don’t nothing hurt.” They do. I got artificial hips. Your hips fake? Yeah. And then you don’t feel none of that pain. No. Boy, when I get up, man, I Everything hurt, man. You get your hips replaced, man. I mean, I’ve been there. I mean, hurt. Sitting down hurt, walking hurt, sleeping hurt, standing hurt, everything hurt. Man, I might need to get a new hip. They put You got two hips. Got both of them. They put two hips in. Yeah. What they look like? Perfect. I mean, cuz you got to realize your hips. No, I’m just No, I’m notic Your hips are they call probably arthritic. And so they go in. So you got you got like like some hips that came off of a a horse or they made you some hips. They they’re uh a ball cuz the hip socket is a ball. So they just took the old hip out. So a hip is a ball. Yes. Ball socket. Yes. Face. Did you see the Did you actually see the actual hip? Yes. I could have kept it. I was like, “No, I’m good.” You don’t ever want to remember that [ __ ] no more, huh? That was That was a bad years. Yeah. I got up out the chair, man, and Shannon was like, “Damn F. What’s wrong with you, man? Man, that [ __ ] hurt, man. I play golf every day. And I’m hurting right now. Look like you played football every day. K. Hey Sh, I’mma bake your ass, man. You better leave me alone. Okay, man. My bad. My bad. My bad. You got to leave me alone. But we let Can we just tell the truth? We told uh talking to face off camera. Face got kids. Six, seven, who cares? Hey, this sound like a uh a uh he sound like a he sound like a he sound like a old ass [ __ ] that coached uh uh little league T-ball. Everybody get over there. Everybody get over there and pick them balls up. Daniel, get the glove off the ground, son. What’s wrong with you? I But I read you where you said you were you were terrible at your bad father. You weren’t you weren’t No, I’m terrible. Have you gotten better? Cuz you got Have I gotten better, Chris? Damn. He all right. Chris said you ass. I missed the question. Oh, he said, tell a question again. So Faith said he uh he didn’t do too well as a father. No, he he better now, Chris. Uh yes. I say yeah. He say yeah. Chris wouldn’t lie. [ __ ] Chris lying now. I um Well, it happened because you were so young because your older I mean you had your oldest like 17. Yeah. I didn’t I didn’t I didn’t I didn’t really um I didn’t really look at fatherhood as like being a father. I just figured you throw money at it and cover it up. But uh watching my children with their children has made it made me a better father. I was like, “Oh shit.” So this is what it is. Yeah. You know, you’re a better grandfather than you are a father than you were a father. I can say that for sure. Yeah. My grandson come by the house the other day, man. And that that chump uh that chump walking and you know my other grand boy I chump walking and talking and every time he see me go hey that’s what I say to him be like hey be like when he see me on the face I hey hey what what they call you grandpa face G. Yeah. But but Chris, they call him Papa. Yeah, they call him Papa. Yeah, he started that [ __ ] That’s all right. I’ll get him back. That’s my That’s That’s what my That’s what my grand called me. My grandson called me Papa. I want to be Papa. Man, that’s too bad. What? What you What you think? You are. You’re [ __ ] 60, bro. You are 60. That’s close. I’m 36 months older than you, man. That man can count and [ __ ] I would been like that’s why I should have stayed in school, huh? Man, I can’t remember [ __ ] man. I can’t remember nothing, man. I can’t remember nothing, man. Are you cool? Are you you cool with the parents? With their mom, I think so. Yeah, cuz you ran into a And but you know what? At this point, it ain’t even about being cool with the moms no more. It’s about being cool with the kids. But you had a situation where you was giving cash to one of the moms and not through the court. Yeah. I mean, everybody’s going to go through that [ __ ] Yeah. Everybody’s going to go through that [ __ ] man. And I think that that is probably the most unfair thing that you could do to a man. As a matter of fact, that creates a um a strain uh in parenting. You know what I mean? You be like, “Man, I want to spend time with my dad.” And be like, “You was a you was a a token. You was a check. You wasn’t you weren’t you was a you wasn’t that, right? This ain’t that, you know. You was a pawn, right? For a bigger scheme. I don’t um and it’s sad, you know, that that kid has to suffer like that. Yeah. Because the lady want to drag the parent, the other parent through some [ __ ] And it’s all on us. You had to go through this [ __ ] too. I have. Yeah. So they they it’s everything fall on the on the dude you know when but we were young. I think the thing is face like when you young you don’t really it’s not like you know when you have if you have kids like in your late 20s early 30s but when you having kids as a teenager in your early 20s y’all don’t know how to be no parent and you do and you’re not doing what’s in the best interest for the kid. I get mad at you. I’m pun I’m trying to punish you but I’m actually hurting the kid. And it wasn’t until you start to realize like, look, come on now. It’s about them. It ain’t about us. And then once you realize that, you’re like, okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Well, in my case, big bro, and in a whole lot of cases, and I can speak for a lot of men out there like in that situation that had a lot of money. It’s it’s it’s guys that don’t want to parent them them kids though some some kids because the mother used that kid as a as a payday. He like, “Here, I’m just going to pay you off. I don’t want nothing to do with either one of y’all.” And and that that’s some bad [ __ ] too. [ __ ] Yeah, it is. Absolutely. you know, but it is what it is. If if mama would have been, you know, straight up in the beginning, then that wouldn’t have been the result in the end, right? And and don’t do bad [ __ ] to everybody else because, you know, the [ __ ] didn’t work out with you, right? You know, don’t be bitter at at him because it didn’t work out. You know, just take Yeah. You have to you sometimes you just have to bite your lip and do you know, hey, I understand you don’t like me, but hey, I’m still going to come get the kid. They going to the Super Bowl. I’m They going to be with me during the summer. They going to do all that stuff. All that [ __ ] All that. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. And and and it works like that in some cases. You have to Chris just left, but Chris is your son and he gave you second chance at life. He gave you a kidney. When you found he gave him the first chance. No, I’m messing with you. Go ahead. No, when when you found out because obviously you got to go to match. It’s not a match. That’s That’s not That’s not true. No. If if if me and you Yeah. Yeah. We have to see if we match, right? But he come out my nut bag, right? So I know that’s that’s that’s my kid. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, so how do you how do you ask a son? I did not. Really? He asked me. You broke down crying, did you? No, not then. I probably could now though cuz he he saved my life. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? I said, “No, I need a Ferrari.” That’s what you said, right [ __ ] That’s why that’s why I ain’t call you. That’s main reason why I didn’t call your ass cuz I knew what you was going to say. Chris. Hey Chris, you should have held out Chris. You could have got it. And then just this past I think it was what October you had the the August. August. Yeah. Yeah. Were you short? Were you were you having shortness of breath? What was going on? Uh, so I had aortic hernia back in 2014. [Music] And when they scoped me, they noticed that I had an aneurysm on my aorta, a small one. They was like, you know, we ain’t got to do nothing now, but we got to watch it. Mhm. And I was like, okay, cool. And I was like, well, y’all might as well gone on and fix it if you can, you know. Yeah. He said, no, we got to cut you off. And I was like, no thanks. You’re right. Yeah. No, thank you. Um, and as time went on, man, time went on, we was watching, we was watching it, we was watching it, we was watching it. Caught the CO. Mhm. Uh, kidneys fell, you know, running the heart, you know, they didn’t know what the CO was. I was probably one of the first people in America that have this [ __ ] Wow. Yeah. And they they seen what it did to your heart, seeing what it did to your lungs and all this, and they noticed that that little thing was getting bigger. The aneurysm was getting bigger. Um, fast forward to uh kidney transplant, it’s there. It’s time to go ahead and get it done, right? You know, but I pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off, pushed it off for years and and it kept getting bigger and bigger. It just wouldn’t go. It’s not going to go away. Right. That problem is one of those ones that just don’t go away. So, um, my, um, cardiologist, you know, did all he worked me up and looking at and introduced me to my surgeon. His name is Dr. Andrea Corti. Mhm. Probably the most soughtafter uh, best heart surgeon in the in the world. He did uh, he did babies, you know, he did their surgery, right? So, he’s he’s really really incredible. Uh, long story short, man, he was like, “Man, uh, he wanted to put me on a trans a transplant list to get a heart transplant.” Wow. Yeah. He said, “Man, why don’t you do the CT scan so I can just see what I’m up against, right?” you know, so that Friday, well, well, that whatever day that was, we did the CT scan, he saw it or whatever. And then I say, “Well, I’m going to be ready when I come off this tour.” And um I can’t remember what month that was. I think it may have been February or something. And um he insinuated to, you know, he said something to the extent of like I may not have that much time, but I didn’t want to have this [ __ ] done in the first place. So I was willing to run the run the risk of dropping dead on stage if I had to, right? It’s real [ __ ] This is real [ __ ] Um when I uh came back off the tour, I had an appointment and uh he said we’re going to schedule it. Um this was in April or or June. We were scheduling for August, right? All right. So time kept coming near, kept getting near. Kept kept it’s coming. It’s cycling, man. I go to the to to the doctor and they want to do another CT scan. I opted out of it Friday. That Friday, I said, I’ll come back Monday and do it cuz I got to be in here Tuesday to do the surgery anyway. So, I went in that Monday morning and got the the CT scan done and they were looking at it and everybody looked nervous and worried, right? And uh I told him, “Take this [ __ ] out of my hand. I’m not staying here. I’m having surgery in the morning. I’m going to go.” And one of those doctors came in and told me, he was like, “Hey, man. You coming in in the morning to have surgery?” I said, “Yeah.” He said, “Good. Don’t forget.” Right. I left I I’m I’m having uh lunch with uh with with um a good friend of mine and her uh bodyguard. And um they call my phone and uh she said it was a surgery coordinator that said the doc said you need to back in the hospital now. You need to be back in the hospital right now. I say well I got a tea time. tell the doctor, tell tell the surgeon to call me and tell me that himself. So two seconds later, my phone rings and I say, “Damn, doc, it busted.” He say, “I don’t know if it happened a week ago or 10 minutes ago, but you need to get back now.” So I went and I got me a pint of ice cream and some uh butter pean vanilla. Some homemade vanilla. And I went to uh uh Frenches cuz I knew that was it. So you said, “I’m going to have me some vanilla ice cream.” What you say? Some fried chicken. Fried chicken. Yeah. I went to the hospital, man. And I remember my mama saying that it’s just a win-win for him. If he lived, he win. If he died, he win. And uh [ __ ] I got up a couple of day. I didn’t even know I didn’t even know it was uh I thought it was like the same day, right? It was like two days later. It like a day or some change later. Damn. Yeah. Like I was out of there. And when I woke up, they had the tube in my mouth and and and I could breathe, but I couldn’t breathe. Right. So, Miss Felicia was like, “Put it back down. Put it back down.” Like, I was trying to take that tube out of my mouth, but they had me strapped down and I couldn’t breathe. Right. So they put me back out again. And then they So they put you in a coma, had you? They put me back out but the lady was trying to get me to do [ __ ] and I was like and then all of a sudden I just went cuz I remember calling you and you like man I just I said man stop [ __ ] Yeah I had it and I woke up man from that [ __ ] with everything and you the only one I let FaceTime be because man I said man you ain’t had no damn open heart surgery. He said, “Man, answer the He answer about answer the answer the phone. I know you I know you don’t FaceTime heart open.” No. Yeah, you got it. But but the first thing I said when I woke up, I seen my mama, man. I looked at my mama was some tough mama. Tough mama. Tough. And she said, “Yeah, baby, you tough.” But that was the first words to my mama, I’m tough, mama. Right. Yeah. Now you work out. You watch what you eat? Yeah. No, you don’t watch what you eat. Get up and walk away from me. Yeah. No, I’m just playing. It’s bad here. You said if you knew you going to live so long, you took better care of yourself. Hey, man. My mama used to say that, man. Now I understand why. Yeah. If I knew I was going to live this long, I’d take better care of myself. You still eat oxtails, though. You still eat fried chicken. You still eat pork chops? No, I don’t. You eat fried catfish? No, sir. You don’t eat nothing fried once in a while. I don’t really eat bad and I don’t eat a lot either. So, what’s a t what’s a typical meal? Okay. You going to be eat breakfast? You you a breakfast person? I am. Okay. You what? Grits, eggs. No, I eat a uh two uh two uh scrambled not scrambled over easy eggs. Okay. And I eat uh chicken sausage with it. Okay. And then for lunch I may eat a salad. And then for dinner it could be anything. E you don’t eat salad? Ah I mean I mean not just a salad. Yeah, I can eat a salad. So you have chicken on it. You have you like salmon? I love salmon. That’s my favorite. That’s my go-to. But now I don’t really I don’t really go ham on food no more because I’ve been fat before and I’m taking testosterone shots when I’m getting fed again. So you not working out? Not yet. What you waiting on, man? I got to get I Man, I just had open heart surgery less than a year ago. I don’t want to be lifting no weight this [ __ ] bust back open. I’m sitting on the football field with my little league football team and I’m excuse me trying to teach this kid Yeah. I do a goddamn uh push-up and I get down there and I feel this [ __ ] pulling apart again. I’m like, damn. Yeah. Well, you took the you took the shot before you started working out. You supposed to work out. Did take the shot. No, man. See, there you go looking at me. I can’t I can’t with you, man. You won’t take nothing serious. How did How did you How did you guys uh The ghetto boys, how did you How did that come about? Were you all friends? Did y’all know each other? I ain’t know him. But damn. Didn’t know him. Most people in a group start a group, they know each other. Went to high school together, went to middle school, lived in the same neighborhood. How the hell y’all form a group and not know each other from the jump? So, uh, the Scarface song, Jay Heard it, and then come to the crib, wanted me to be a ghetto boy. So, I get into the van. This is the infamous van and and Willie and Red and Bushwick. And I think Jukebox was there and he was Bushwick was a dancer at the time. He wasn’t even no rapper yet, right? And it was me, Willie D, and Jukebox that was rapping. That’s why when you listen to um trigger happy I can’t say it was that it was a couple of songs that uh Jukeboxer did when he was a part of the ghetto boys that knew when me and Bushwick I mean when me and Willie Bill wasn’t in the group he was just a dancer at that Um, let me remember this correctly, but um, some kind of way Jukebox had left the group. And I don’t remember if it was Willy’s idea or Jay’s idea whose idea was to have this little rapper talking cash [ __ ] and rapping, you know, right? A a little guy. And um so from that point on, Beo worked with him in the in the uh in the mirror, you know, helping him, you know, with his with his words, with his raps and and and Willie and I wrote records for Bill, right? While he recited them, but I didn’t know Bill and I didn’t know Willie. I didn’t know none of them, you know, right? And um Red left the group um before my mind playing tricks on me came out before that we can’t be stopped album, right? And um shoot. That’s kind of how it got it went. Yeah. I didn’t know nobody and they didn’t know me. But I would make a record with them and I would just be I’d be gone, right? I make a song and I would leave. But then Jay put us at the ranch and then we had to stay there, right? So we make a song and then start another song and then start another song, you know, and we did that for a week or two, right? We made that first ghetto boys album in a week or so, two weeks. If the if there was a biop about the ghetto boys, who’s going to pay Scarface? What age? Where you in the ghetto boys? What age? They got to say what? Like I’m talking about why the time I was in it. Yeah. I don’t know. I I’d have to use one of my kids like Cube did. Cube use his kid to betray him. But can your kid rap? Chris, can you rap? Yeah, you can’t. Brad can rap. Bryce can rap. Okay. Somebody can rap. If not, I would find an actor, somebody good. Probably the dude that played Bobby Brown or something. Jay Prince said the Fred the Feds tried to get you to flip on him. Do you remember that time? They always trying to get somebody to flip on Jack. Yeah. But you stayed 10 toes. It’s a J J Prince said him, SH got it was trying to create a distribution label and that’s when all the [ __ ] started. Really? I feel like that when they was talking about uh flipping the flipping the script and taking the power away. Mhm. You know, I think if you putting out your own, if you 100% independent and you putting out triple platinum albums independently then and you taking everybody out, can’t nobody eat off of it. But but y’all, right? Hell, somebody’s going to start paying attention because you with somebody’s money, right? You know, and this ain’t nothing but man, America ain’t nothing but money and law. That’s it. You got money and the law, right? That’s the only thing that separates money and law. That album cover, we can’t be stopped. Is that the greatest cover? I hated it. Why? If you look at my face on that on that album cover, I absolutely hated that cover. What the I just feel like it was, you know, I always say that too. Like I think I honestly think that that was Chief that pulled that patch down off Bill eye. Did his girlfriend really shoot him in the eye? That’s y’all made that up. No, his a a girl shot Bill in the eye for real. What you shoot him with? 22. 22. Yeah. Shot him in the eye. So he was making that up. in my eye. I wasn’t there. Oh, but I know that they he shot him in the eye. She shot him in the eye. That was hard cover though. It was a hard cover. But you know the man was Bill wasn’t even woke. He sitting up in that [ __ ] dead. He was like, “How y’all do to man like that, man?” That was See what I’m saying? That wasn’t me. Hey, but Chief had it with the phone in his head, too. Like, got to prop his ass back up. What’s up, Bill? [Laughter] Politics. You ran for uh Councilman. You going to council? Yeah, I ran for city council. You going to do it again? Will you do it again? I am. I was going to do it this time, but this snake in the grass. Yeah. Going to say no names, but he’s a snake. Um, he was telling me that he was going to do this in this seat and I was going to do that in that seat and yeah, man, we going to do this together, man. We going to be together, man. And then push turned into a sh and homeboy was like, he did something else. So, nah, I’m going to do it though again. You going to do it again? Yeah, but it won’t be on those terms though, right? and be on my own. Have you always been into politics? I have. I’ve always been into politics. Tricks. Politics. Politics. Okay. That’s what’s happening now, right? I think that if people really gave a damn about the condition of of black people, then they would do more than talk, right? you know, they would do more than um spoon feed us if you really really really really really gave any a damn about the condition of our community, then you would do what needs to be done for that community. And it’s not putting programs in place or it’s not, you know, government assistant or it’s not uh uh uh this or that or taking our education away from us so we’ll never know who the we are. It’s not that. All right. And I don’t I don’t know why a certain group of people feel like they have to continuously punch down, that’s a word, punch down on black people. I know for a fact that black people are so great. So great. I’m I’m talking about birthright great. Yeah. Birthright great. Until people would do anything to dim that light. Do anything to dim that light or make you forget who you are. And then impose and interject the you that they want you to be. And and that’s that would be the you that you become if you really think about it. I know you’re a sports fan and you guys got KD. Y’all going to win the championship this year? I like KD. I like KD, too. I asked you, are you going to win the championship? I said I like KD. Damn. We have a Y’all got a good ass team. We got a KD Almond Thompson. Y’all uh shingon y’all reside van shingun spell it never mind because look when I was a little boy hold up hold when I was a little boy right we say a big ass word and my grandmother be like so and so so and so spell it so when I heard sangon I said spell it I think it’s s e n gu however you spell it boy so one time um Brad was like four or five and Bryce was like too, right? And uh Bryce walked up to Brad and he slapped the [ __ ] out of Brad and I heard and I looked back and and Bryce said, “Oh, Brad, I’m sorry, Brad. I’m so sorry, Brad. I’m sorry, Brad. That was an accident.” And I said, “Accident.” Spell accident. He said, “Br. Accident.” It was an accident. He didn’t mean to do it. Bryce spelled accident. That was really good. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. So, y’all win the championship this year. What about I didn’t say that. The Texans. Y’all win the championship. I love CJ Stout. I love our head coach. I love uh I like Mo. I like De Mo. De Mo Ryan is a mean. He was a cold ass linebacker. I I I I I I don’t have nothing bad to say about the Texans, the Rockets, or the Astros. I think we got three uh uh different sport franchises that are excellent, right? Um I move that we can go to the games and stuff. I’m not going nowhere with you. I wouldn’t. And it’s not me and I’m not the junior. That’s why they don’t have me in that seat. But I don’t move Jaylen Green and a few uh first round draft picks for KD at this age. They’re trying to win now. Like tomorrow. Okay. Yesterday. I Man, I I don’t think there’s nobody in the league that’s going to be better than KD right now. Yeah. So, but he’s 38. 36. Oh, he 36. Yeah. Warren, why you tell me man was 38? Oh, he 36. Yeah. Oh, [ __ ] I would have took KD any any day. I thought he was old as hell. Nah, I thought you remember when the Rockets picked up Scotty Pippy. Scotty Pipp was like 42. Yeah. Like damn. Then they picked up He on his last leg. Yeah. Yeah. KD ain’t on his last leg. K means game. So now KD’s 36. Y’ made it. And Yeah. We’ll probably get to the to the dance, but we got to go see goddamn Steph, man. And Steph can shoot from outside in the parking lot. Y’all got to go see the Thunder, too. Oh, them young cats with no names. Yeah. You talking about the no-name gang? Ain’t got no names over there. They don’t have no big name. Do they got a big name over there? Jay the MVP. He a big name now. But was he a big game? Big name. I mean he I mean he just been averaging 30 the last three years. I’m just saying he’s a He wasn’t You ain’t LeBron James and uh uh Shay. You not you’re not Oh, that’s co like you know. Yeah. But yeah, but I mean you talking about historically alltime transcendent great players. They ain’t but ain’t but a thousand of them. But what I’m saying about these kids is they that’s a team full of no-name uh they’re not star names. They they great. They’re not stars. That works for them. And that worked, man. And they kicked ass, man. They kicked I’m so proud of the Thunder, man. Like them was little kids, man. Them kids can’t be What’s the oldest? 25. I think the average age is like 26. God damn. And you did that? They did that. Wow. I’m very That’s at coaching. Let me let me let me get off the players now and get on the coaching. Cuz they probably had that team a couple of years ago, too. Mhm. They got better. That coaching, man. That coaching, bro. Can’t beat that coaching, man. So, no, I’m proud of the Thunder. So, we got to get through uh Steph and then we got to get through the noame gang and then we’ll we’ll get to the dance face. Thank Thanks for stopping by, man. Don’t squeeze my hand hard, bro. I swear to goodness. Much love, bro. See you try to get me. I wasn’t trying to squeeze that [ __ ] I man his hand feel like two big ass ketchup miss right I’m trying to shake the man head hand scarf face ladies and gentlemen [Applause] all my life been grinding all my life sacrifice hustle paid the price want a slice got to roll the dice that’s why all my life I’ve been grinding all my life all my life been grinding all my life sacrifice hustle paid the Want to slice the bowl of dice. That’s why all my life I’ve been grinding all my life. [Music]
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Oh this was so good.
That's scary. I pray that no one ever finds that level of highness.
Deep conversation much respect 🙏🏽 👏🏾
Maaaaan this Scarface interview is SO DOPE!! 🔥💯🫶🏾
"Never seen a man cry" took Shannon back.
face supposed 2 sitting on some billions 4 sho…
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face…
how old were you when you started driving?
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face was grown at birth…
uh 90 year old 54 year old…
thank god he is here…
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warren lee is yo friend / brother…
done heard his name 4 years and heard it again tonight…
warren lee been there 4 it allll maiiine…
nevuh seen him like parlay…
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Wow, what an amazing artist I grow up with Scarface music he’s the best and listening to him talk he’s proved his point
These two are funny😅😂
Scarface has the greatest catalog in rap history, in my opinion… Always been my GOAT🐐🐐🐐…
"Up goes the hustle and 2x the mathematics, long as I can grind im scratching " 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯✡️✡️✡️
This is EPIC❣️
This 1 tops the Katt interview for me
Scarface your favorite rappers favorite rapper salute 🫡 Scarface salute 🫡 Shannon Sharpe
Shay don’t know the words to none of songs
K-Rino mentioned let’s goooooo! Greatest lyricists of all time!
This is the best interview I've ever seen, and I'm 45.
This is the best interview I've ever seen, and I'm 45.
The coldest to do it
FaceMob
SAW FACE DO 2 HOURS LIVE IN METRO DETROIT…ONCE IN A LIFETIME…this guy did MONEY AND THE POWER LIVE!!!!!!!!
Jesus Christ 😮
We need another album from you Face… At least 1 more, PLEASE!!! You are the Truth!
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Tawleeb Kwawlee…unc lol
THIS EPISODE IS SO COLD BRAD F’N JORDAN