The Rory and Scottie Show-Fairways of Life w Matt Adams Tues Sept 9

Matt Adams recaps Rory McIlroy’s incredible Irish Open victory and we take a deep dive look at the last 18 months for Rory McIlroy and Scottie Scheffler. These are historic times for golf fans.

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Welcome to the most listened to golf in the world. The Fairways of Life show on air, online, and around the world with the most candid interviews, unforgettable stories, taking you beyond the ropes. Here’s your host, New York Times bestselling author Matt Adams. World Tour. So Europe was a light because you had Rory back in Ireland trying to compete for his national open. And what did Rory do? He does what Rory does. So started out kind of slow. in fairness, right? And then steadily crept, crept, crept until Sunday. At one point, he ascended to top of the leaderboard, was unable to hold on to the position, setting up the drama that was 18 in regulation. That drama at 18 in regulation would require Rory Moy to make an eagle. He had, what would you say, Dom? 18 20 feet on that eagle putt on 18 in regulation. I can look it up, but I think it was more than that. You do? All right. Well, he’s going to look it up and see what it is. I mean, it was it was an excellent shot. I I know this much. A par five at the K Club and he had an eight iron. So, eight iron for Rory is going to be at least 175, probably more, although the the weather that day was kind of heavy air. Uh that was that was the way that Wayne Riley was describing it and I thought it was an excellent description of it. And Rory splits a hole in two, goes into the playoff extra holes ultimately he’s able to secure it winning. And remember this he’s already won an Irish Open at the K Club which which is interesting because it brings up a number of different questions to me. One of which is you know this was Rory Maroy that a few years ago told the world did you find it time? just bark in when you if you do. A few years ago, Rory admitted to the world that he doesn’t like to play in the wind and rain. And everyone was like, “What? Wasn’t that how you were? Wasn’t that how you were raised? Wind and rain?” And he was like, “Yeah, I don’t like to play in the wind and rain.” And if you look at his proficiency on the PGA Tour, right, in his wins, the K Club 28T 28 feet. There you go. Even more impressive, the K Club is a club that looks very much like you could find it in I’d say South Carolina. This Arnold Palmer design. It doesn’t really When you’re there, I’m I’m not trying to be critical of it. I’m just being honest. When you’re when you’re there, it feels very much like you’re playing a course in the USA and not so much that you’re playing a course in Ireland. I mean, even even uh Andrew, pull up the shot that you have in preview. I I’m not asking you to roll it. I just want you to pull up the shot and you’ll see in the background of kind of what I’m talking about. How lush it is. Look at the bunkers in the background. Those are not the typical bunkers that if you ask most people describe the bunkers in Ireland just in general. They’re not going to think about a Parkland style like that. US style, relatively flat. You can’t get up. You can see Rory doing this interview. We’re going to get to his sound in just a second. And interestingly this morning is that the sound that we’re featuring for you comes from multiple different media entities. They’re all kind of bites of sound, but we grab them because each provides a different perspective from Rory Mroy. One because he’s veteran enough and good enough that when you ask him a question, he’s not going to deliver the answer the exact same way every single time. you know, like you would see in like a political realm or something for an example. But this win by Rory Mroy at this time of year, of course, all of it in some way, shape or form, doesn’t it? Sets up the table for the RDER Cup and you’re always looking for form. Like this week at the Procore and the PGA Tour, 10 of the 12 USA RDER Cup members are in the field. 10 of the 12. and Keegan Bradley captain is while not playing he’s on site. I think the way the tour phrased it when I read the press release was to lend support. So Keegan Bradley will be there lending support but 10 of the 12 will be competing and I’m sure that they have the plans to get together and all that that’s out there. So let’s start with this. This is Rory Mroy winning his national open and there was so much emotion built uh into what happened. When I say his national open, you you can you can save me the the messages saying that he’s from Northern Ireland. This was in the Republic of Ireland. Golf in Ireland is governed under what umbrella that the golfing union of Ireland. So he has played under that flag for the entirety of his life, even in the Olympic Games. So this Irish Open, which has been competed in Northern Ireland multiple times as well, is considered the National Open for anyone that’s from the island of Ireland. So it means a tremendous amount to them. So this first interview is courtesy of Sky Sports and where we pick up is if he can describe the emotions in the wake of this win. Rory, um, nine years ago you won your first area open here at the K Club. Today you just won your second. Try and describe the emotions if you can right now. Yeah. Um, yeah. Look, I just I feel um just so lucky that I get to do this. I get to do this in front of these people. Um, the support has been absolutely amazing all week. And um you know I thought uh you know I thought it was going to be a nice homecoming obviously coming home with a green jacket and all that but uh this has been absolutely incredible. This has exceeded all of my expectations and um just so so happy I could play play the way I did um this week for all of them and and get the win. Didn’t get this at Augusta, did you? I didn’t. This was this is uh hopefully be getting a bit of it in a few weeks time at the Ryder Cup. But uh this is absolutely incredible. I I love coming home. I love playing in this atmosphere. And uh yeah, these are you know you know you know moments like this. This is these are the things you’re going to remember um you know well after your career’s over and you know this is a really special day. I could ask you about the P on 13. I could ask you about the T-shot on 15 that stayed dry. The put on 18 in regulation. In your career, have you ever felt a moment like that? Uh, I don’t think so. You know, I I had a putt on the last green last year at RCD to force a playoff with Raasmus. Um, and it just missed on the on the high side. So, felt like it was a little bit of uh it was a little bit of a redemption. Um, and I hit it and I I wanted to just be aggressive with it and um, but like such a such a cool moment, such a cool feeling for that to go in and um, you know, that gave me a chance in the playoff and the playoff the way the 18th was playing today. It just felt like, you know, it was a case of who was going to blink first and, you know, Wack hit, you know, hit a a per second shot in on that playoff hole and, you know, that opened the door for me and, um, yeah, just so happy to be able to win my second Irish Open. Just talk about the crowd once again cuz I saw you there talking like looking to the crowd there, how you look back at them running down the fair. How did that make you feel? There’s some running towards this way. It’s inc. You know, I look I again I feel very fortunate because there’s there’s probably very few golfers in in the world that get the support that um I get when I go home. Um you know, maybe John Ram in Spain. Um you know, there’s there’s maybe a few others, but uh this is this is absolutely incredible. I I don’t take it for granted. Um, you know, I I feel very grateful and and very lucky that I get to do this and um, you know, can’t wait to um can’t wait to celebrate tonight. You said to me at the start of the week that you felt this year was almost complete already, apart from the RDER Cup which is coming up. This week now, how much more complete and fulfilling does it feel? It does. I mean, to, you know, to do what I did earlier in the year and then to come home and and win my national open. Um, that’s a, you know, no matter what happens for the rest of the year, that’s a that’s a pretty cool year. Like 2025 is going to go down as um, you know, one of the one of the best, if not the best in my career. And but, you know, as I said, we’re not finished yet. I’ve got a big week next week at Wentworth. Uh, and then obviously every everyone’s looking forward to the RDER Cup. But, um, I’m just so happy my game’s in good shape. I feel like I’m playing well. Um, you know, and that that excites me for for what’s coming up. Rory, many congratulations on Irish Open win number two. I think you might be celebrating for quite a long time tonight. Thanks very much, Rory. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you. That is Irish Open win number two being referenced there. And the other one, as I mentioned to you, took place right where he won this one at the K Club. He’s had other close calls. He’s played well in other Irish Opens. he referenced last year when he just grazed the hole that would have forced a playoff against Raasmus Hoygard who incidentally is on that European Rder Cup team and he mentioned the Ryder Cup unprompted frankly but he mentioned it what two or three times in that interview alone. It is interesting that coming into this RDER Cup how uh I don’t know what to call it, confidence or bravado or a combination thereof uh carefully planned comments in the media where Rory is being very confident that Europe is going to win this. Uh he said it multiple times and in multiple different settings including the message that he sent to the uh GBNI Walker Cup team which incidentally congratulations to the USA Walker Cup team. They won convincingly when it was all said and done after the Sunday afternoon singles. So Rory also spoke with RTE. Now RTE now he’s going to be familiar with Sky for the most part but RTE is a little bit different because RTE is a national radio service of Ireland and it’s it’s an opportunity again to kind of touch on these emotional subjects. Obviously, uh, any win’s going to be an emotional for a player, but in particular, if if a player is winning their national open and so we pick up on that with the RTE with Rory Moy where the first comment and reaction therein is just about how special a day it ended up being. Yeah, really special. Um, yeah, just the the support of the crowds out there and just playing in that atmosphere. Um especially coming down those last few holes knowing what I needed to do and having the crowd sort of spur me on. Uh yeah, incredible day. Um you know that that eagle putt on 18 to get into the playoff is uh probably one to go down going to go down as uh one of the coolest moments of my career. You obviously had to chase it somewhat overnight. Not the start you wanted initially, but a really good response. Yeah. Um yeah, we sort of teed off in that little squall. thought it was raining and um I hit that chip shot on one. It just came out really really fast because of the moisture on the ground and um yeah, not the ideal way to start, but as you said, I responded well. Birdied um I think three in my next four holes. Um, so that was so that was really good and and then you know once I got into the back nine could sort of see what was happening a little bit more and um disappointed I didn’t birdie the 10th or the 16th the two par fives but thankfully made up for that on 18th when you come to these events these Irish opens obviously huge weight of expectation on you to deliver you’ve obviously done that is is that something you embrace absolutely um I think it’s taken me a while to get to this point where I do embrace it and I do enjoy it um but yeah absolutely I I mean, who, you know, after, you know, the the year that I’ve had and and the the career that I’ve had to be able to to come home, play in front of these crowds, and um, you know, really, you know, feel the love, but also, you know, show show them my appreciation for for their support over the years. Um, yeah, I love it. You mentioned the year you’ve had. Incredible. More to come. Wentward obviously coming up, but Ryder Cup at the end of the month. I mean, it could be an exceptional year for you. Yeah. Um, you know, we’ll we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it. But yeah, I’ve got, you know, a big tournament at Wentworth next week. Um, this has went a long way and, um, in the race to Dubai and just giving myself that little cushion again. Next week’s another opportunity for that. But yeah, as you say, the RDER Cup and um, you know, I just I’m so I’m so happy that my game’s in good shape going, you know, going into next week and and ultimately um, the end of September. So, you know, I saw some really good signs in my game this week and, you know, hopefully just keep it going now for the for the next few weeks leading leading up to to Beth Paige. And finally, I’m sure you had some words of sympathy for your opponent in the playoff. Yeah. Um, but still a great week for him. Um, you know, he he played great. He bounced back well after a tough round yesterday. And um yeah, you know, it’s I’ve been on the end of playoff losses. They’re tough, but um you know, no one no one beat him over the course of the week, you know. So, um, he can he can take a lot of positives from it. Yeah, a lot of golf for Rory actually at this time of year. It’s he he’s mentioning it with the RDER Cup being the cap and that comment that he just made, but it goes beyond that because of what he’s doing with the race to Dubai and his efforts to win yet again another uh race to Dubai. So, we’ll see how that plays itself out for Rory Mroy. He also spoke with uh I’ll call it a podcast, but it’s associated with the BBC called Off the Ball. And again, it gives us an opportunity to dig a little deeper. And this is what Dom and this is what Andrew have put together because finding these clips and they’re all relatively short as you’re hearing. It gives us an opportunity to have a perspective on Rory Mroy that’s different than what we normally get uh from one media source where you’re going to get, you know, maybe it’s a little bit longer than what we’re playing for you. But that’s pretty much it. That’s the only thing you’re going to get an opportunity to hear from. But in this case, because we have it coming in from different sources, it gives us different perspectives. I get it that yes, we’re talking about the same thing in the wake of victory of having won the Irish Open, but I’m looking both for themes that are are recurrent in the comments that he’s making to these different media entities and the Ryder Cup is very much one of those recurrent themes, which is really really cool in terms of the passion that he is harboring for that event. Uh, and also because it gives us opportunities, the perspectives, each one a little bit different like this one that’s coming up. Amongst those that he talks about is his caddyy Harry Diamond. And if you follow Rory and his career over the last few years, you know that he’s gotten a lot of heat from a lot of people that that has aggravated him. Uh questioning his best friend, Harry, who we put on the bag a few years ago. Harry’s a great player in his own right. And people say, “Well, he needs a more veteran caddy, etc., etc.” Well, here’s Rory Mroy with the year that he’s had this year. We’re going to get into that in in coming up here in a few moments to illustrate exactly what’s going on because it is a historic year by any measure. Uh but in this case, uh we start with Rory Moy with how he was reacting to the way that the the crowd just lit up with what he did from the finishing regulation through the playoff. Yeah, I needed to today. Um felt like not birdie and 10 and 16, the two par fives on the back nine. uh felt like I’d let my chance slip a little bit there. Um but then was able to pull something out of the bag on 18 and and make that eagle and um yeah, that moment will go down as one of the probably the coolest moments of my career. So yeah, just uh an incredible week. Just the the support, the atmosphere out there. Um yeah, just absolutely amazing to to play in front of those crowds and even more amazing to get the job done in front of them as well. Nothing will probably ever top what happened in April at Augusta, but I don’t think any golfer will have experienced what you experienced on 18 there. Can you talk through the putt and then the moments after the put and the noise and the wildness of it? Yeah, just absolutely incredible. Um, you know, I do I feel very fortunate that when I come home, I get the support that I do. I’ve had it twice this year up at Port Rush for the Open, here for the Irish Open. Um, yeah. I don’t know if there’s many other golfers that get the support that I do whenever they go home. And, um, I certainly don’t take it for granted. It’s uh, it’s incred. I I used I struggled with it a little bit earlier on in my career just with the pressure and the expectation, but I’ve learned how to embrace it and enjoy it. And, uh, you know, when I when I do it that way and I do embrace it, I think it brings the best out of me and I can really ride that wave of momentum that the crowd gives me. And um you know that was basically what happened this week. It must be so special to have that impact on people. There was a video you probably saw yesterday. You threw a ball to a young girl beside the media tent. She’s in floods of tears. Like to to be able to have that positive impact on on people is how how is it? Um it’s amazing. I mean just to think like a small uh a little random small thing of throwing a ball to someone. Um, and yeah, just the yeah, I I don’t know why, but the enjoyment that I give people because I play golf for the way I play golf for for whatever reason. But um I, as I said, I don’t take it for granted. I know that not everyone gets the support that I do and um I feel very very fortunate that I that I get to experience it. Hard to believe when you think back 12 months to even Royal County down and maybe Wentworth the week after and those disappointments and the questions that were being raised the year that you’ve had since. Yeah, I know. Um but I think those were important. You know, the the loss at the Irish Open, the loss at Wentworth. Um they because of those is the reason that I’m having the year that I’ve had. So, the more that you just put yourself in these positions and you give yourself chances to win. It’s not going to happen all the time, but it’s going to, you know, the more you put yourself in those positions, the more it’s going to fall your way. And I just think I’ve just I’ve I’ve got a lot of experience in those situations. And, you know, I I can just handle them a little bit better nowadays. And and that’s the reason that I’m picking up a few more trophies. And when we spoke earlier in the week, you spoke about Harry wanting a grand slam as well. You’ve given them a first Irish Open and you know second Irish Open maybe a good way to start winning things a second time now and the big ones. Absolutely. You know I won a second players this year, a second Irish Open. Um hopefully a second Wentworth next week uh and then hopefully a second away Rder Cup after that. So it would be a good it would be a good time to start the second. Amazing isn’t it? So again, the insight that you’re gaining from that, which is why we picked these particular cuts and went deep on them, is that Rory just told us that out of the rubbles of failing to achieve what you attempted to achieve is the reason why he’s having the success that he’s having now. Kind of let that settle for a second. Did he mention the BMW, the PGA Championship at Wentworth? He said next week, because next week is this week. That interview was recorded uh two days ago on Sunday and it’s underway. In fact, we reached out to Billy Horchel and Billy’s like, “Yeah, guys, sorry I can’t come on the show this week. I’m defending at Wentworth.” And we wish him the very, very best as well. So, there’s lots of golf still on the horizon. And don’t forget, right around the corner, there is that Rder Cup. Time now for the Flight Scope. Did you know? log on to flightcope.com and catch and see and understand all the details of their new i4 rangefinder. This absolutely remarkable piece of technology. Yeah, it has the magnets so it sticks right on the the frame of your golf cart, but this will tell you everything. It it’s like a caddy in your pocket. It’s going to give you all of these recommendations, including, as you just saw, personalized club recommendations. 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And it was an opportunity thus for people to pay a lot more attention to what was going on in the DP World Tour and what was going on uh at the Irish Open at the K Club. Uh I’m not crazy about the venue of the K Club for the Irish Open. I would have loved them seen them beyond one of the great links courses that exist in the country, but alas, that’s not the way the the wheels of commerce sometimes roll. But Rory Mroy was able to close a deal, was able to secure his victory, and he is trying to march to yet another uh race to Dubai. Used to be called uh back in the day uh order of merit. And Rory’s won what six Race to Dubai, Dom, right? I know that Colin Montgomery had eight orders of merit. I’m just out of curiosity I’m wondering did you in your research did you see who’s won the most orders of merit all time is it Colin Montgomery and is Rory within two that I don’t know that is not something I looked up but I’m going to find out right now yeah anyways it’s one of those things that that we’re going to be looking into I’m going to bring Dom back in in earnest here Montgomery won eight sevy won six so Rory is tied with Sevy and he’s about to become second alone and only one from Montgomery. That’s pretty incredibly impressive when you consider that the guy who’s leading in Colum Montgomery played the vast majority of his golf on the then called European tour. So Dom, you heard me just mention I was going to bring in an earnest here because you went crazy going into graphics and going into thus the uh data that was built upon them because and I’m not I don’t want to I don’t I’m not I’m not putting words in your mouth because of how remarkable this season is. So you mentioned to me while we were going to break that today’s question of the day plays into all of this in any of it. So what direction would you like to go? Uh, I mean, I’ll just read the question of the day to start things off. The the question of the day is, if Rory wins the race to Dubai and the European team wins the RDER Cup, does that put his season this year in 2025 as sort of a season that would surpass what Scotty Sheffller has done this year? Because ostensively, Scotty’s playing this week at the Pro and then he’ll play in the Ryder Cup. He’s basically done. He’s not really going to play any more tournaments this year, whereas Rory will probably play in a handful more plus the RDER Cup because the European Tour season just is a little bit longer and and it back it bookends up against the end of the the PGA tour season a little bit as Roy has done for many of the several past years. Now, right now, 69% Matt are saying yes. Yes, this would make Rory’s season better if he wins the RDER Cup and he goes ahead and wins the race to Dubai, which again I I couldn’t get a definitive answer on this Matt statistically, but I don’t know how he doesn’t ran the race to Dubai. He’s got a huge lead right now with that victory plus he’s got a Masters win. The points that he accumulates doing that I I you know I think if he finishes in the top 25 the BMW PGA Championship this week, I think it might be enough to like secure it. So, I think it’s a foregone conclusion a little bit on the race to Dubai front. But all of that being said, uh what it got me thinking was not Rory versus Scotty’s season, but more along the lines of are we witnessing something really unique and different and special this year, having two players play not only at the top of their games, which they both are, but also winning these massively important events. So, they’re not just, oh, they have a, you know, three wins each and they’re just sort of sprinkling around the PGA Tour season. We’re talking about major championships, major championships in playoffs, home opens, huge, huge events. These guys are winning the players championship. So, I’m not sure which graphic you want to look at first, Matt, but it there’s a lot to unpack here, and it’s really interesting to just discuss because again, I don’t want to look at this as versus Rory versus Scotty. I want to look at it as are we seeing something this year that we’ve never seen in the history of golf. I I don’t have a problem going down that road, but in fairness to the question of the day, you deliberately went headtohead with Scotty and Rory and you said, “Yeah, but the season Yeah, but that Yeah, but the question of the day is speculative because the season isn’t over.” All right, but let’s but let’s operate on that speculation. So, in terms of uh Andrew, do you have a a graphic you can show me that shows the season of Scotty Sheffller and the season of Rory Mroy? the date because we’re going headtohead with these two and suggesting that if Rory and when we say Rory wins the RDER Cup, bear in mind we’re talking about Rory’s team winning the RDER Cup, which is an important distinction. Uh if if we were going to nail that down even more, it might be a discussion of if Rory goes undefeated in the in the RDER Cup and his team wins or Rory has at least a winning record this year in the RDER Cup and his team wins. There’s a whole bunch of different ways that you could better define than than a broad brush of saying if Rory wins the RDER Cup, he’s got 11 other people that he needs something from in order to pull off that. All right. So, let’s take a look at the two players side by side this season with with the the theory being floated out there in Dom’s question that if Rory were to win the RDER Cup, as it was phrased, then he would go on to win, say, the race to Dubai. I I would even throw in this week’s BMW PGA Championship, the flagship event of the DP World Tour. Would his season eclipse that of Scotty Shefflers? So, in 2025, in 19 events, Scotty Sheffller, first of all, in 2025, 19 events, Scotty Sheoffller has five wins, two majors in 16 top 10s. And that doesn’t count obviously this week. He’s playing this week. He’s he’s one of 10 United States Rder Cup players that are teeing it up this week on the PGA Tour at the Pro. Rory Maroy in 2025. In 18 events, he has four wins in one major and 10 top 10s. All right, so let’s let’s concentrate on Rory just for a second. Let’s take Dominus theory. And again, I’m going to throw in the BMW PGA Championship to strengthen the position that that the question is taking, which would be for Rory Mroy. He would have four wins, the Masters, the BMW PGA Championship, a team win at the Ryder Cup, and a seasonlong win for the race to Dubai. And how would that So instead of being four wins that he currently has, it would bump that up again. So, and Dom, just for clarity here, your Rory run that you’re illustrating includes his Irish Open victory even though it was on the DP World Tour. Correct. Okay. So, because the Rory run includes um events on both tours because he truly is, which we can talk about later, a dual player and he lives over there now at the house in at Wentworth outside of London, etc. So, if I give him credit for winning this week at the BMW PGA Championship, he would go to five wins. Even if his team wins the RDER Cup, that’s not credited as an individual win. And the race to Dubai again is not credited as an individual win. Those are seasonl long accolades. So that would get us to a point where in 19 official events played, same as Scotty, he would have five wins. Scotty would have five wins in Scotty F. And that’s assuming Scotty doesn’t win this weekend at the Procore. If we’re giving Rory, handing all these cards out to to Rory, we might do the same for Scotty, but I won’t just for the purpose of having this discussion. If they have the exact same official events played, individual stroke play events in 19 and Scotty has five wins and Rory has five wins and Scotty has two majors and Rory has the players and the Masters, there’s and the Ryder Cup potentially. Dom keeps reminding me of the Ryder Cup. I I just explained if you win the Ryder Cup, it’s not an individual win. It’s an accolade to the season that would go with the race to Dubai banner as well, which I’m happy to throw in this in this conversation. I would take a look at that for me personally and I and I and I realize that I’m in defiance now of the majority, but you had nearly 70% that that would said Rory would be judged to have had a better season. When you have two of the four majors in one season, to overcome someone that has won two of the four majors as compared to one of the four, which is which is terribly impressive, but not as, there is no way that being a part of a winning RDER Cup team and winning the race to Dubai and having the same number of total individual stroke play wins and the exact same number of indiv individual stroke play starts, would equate to a better season on the part of Rory Mroy. I’m sorry rank and file one opinion as absolutely desperately disagrees with you. The only the only caveat I would throw in there Matt is that again just playing devil’s advocate. Rory is going to play in a number of events more events than than Scotty before the end of the year. Right. So he’ll play the Abu Dhabi event he normally plays. Sometimes he plays the Alfred Dunell. He’s going to play in the DP World Tour Championship. All these things will take place before years end, right? So, he could easily collect one or two or three more wins if that’s correct. But, and that number could be eight wins. Yeah. But let’s go let’s go back to you. You heard me mention Colin Montgomery and his eight orders of merit. Colum Montgomery never won a major championship. He was asked one time, how many regular wins, first time I’d ever heard anybody ask this question, how many regular wins equate to a major? Right. And I’m not suggesting that just because it came from him, it’s as if it was handed down by the golfing gods, but it gives us some relevant gauge from players. How many regular tour wins, no matter what tour event it is, or in this case, what tour it’s on, how many of those regular tour wins, equate to a major? Because that’s a whole another conversation if we started to say, well, yeah, but if he wins uh the Alfred Dunnhill links, etc., etc., etc., Uh, is that really equivalent to a signature event now? Limited field with the best players in the world. But I’m going to put that question aside and and ask the question to say how many regulator wins equate equate to a major. And the answer from Colin Montgomery was eight. Eight. That’s very specific. This guy never won one. So I I’m thinking he’s probably stared into the dancing embers in the fireplace and had this conversation. maybe smashed the glass against the wall, but you know, he’s he’s contemplated it. What’s the equivalency? So, does that mean if you divide his wins by eight, that’s how many majors he had? What’s his total wins? We saw it on the on the chart before. You don’t need to pull it up, Andrew. He I want I want to go back to this comparative chart that you have. I don’t think he was on that. Colin wasn’t. Not this one. No, Andrew, he’s looking for the dual one. No, I don’t think No, I’m not looking for the Andrew, you were doing right. I specifically said to Andrew, leave that. Leave the comparative one up. I was asking you, Don, you’re looking for Colin Montgomery. He’s not on this list. No, I know he’s not on that list. I was asking how many wins on the European tour Colin Montgomery has. He has 31. Okay. That you can divide by eight and that’s how many majors he feels like his wins were equivalent to. He’s in the World Golf Hall of Fame. He’s got He has 3.8 majors. 3.8. So just under four majors. Solid in ter That’s He’s trying He’s trying to get I wonder what a point8 I wonder what a point8 major looks like on TV. There’s a rain out. Yeah. But yeah, I mean you’d round in math we’d always round up. So say he’s at he’s at he’s won the equivalent of four majors. Basically now having said that as I say that to you there are people right now that are that are are spitting out their coffee and their tea and saying you can’t tell me that Colin Montgomery won the equivalent of four majors. That was his calculation that I was referencing. Right? They’re they’re going to think it’s a complete joke. And the reason why I’m bringing that up is not to denigrate Colin Montgomery’s feeling about the value of a major against regular tour wins. It’s to put the weight of a major on it. Because even as I’m saying that, the weight of winning the Grand Slam, Matt, what’s the value of that? Uh, that didn’t happen in 2025. He concluded it in 2025. In fact, it took a big long pregnant pause. There’s got to be some extra weight on that. There’s got to be extra weight on that. No, it’s it’s great for his career. His race to Dubai are great for his career. Uh being a part of another winning Rder Cup team, they’re all great for his career. They’re all accolades perhaps in the season in which he accomplished it. But the career grand slam was not done this year. The only player that’s had all four professional major championship trophies in his mantle at the same time is Tiger. And he didn’t get the credit that he deserved for it because it didn’t come in the same calendar year. Rory’s is separated by more than a decade. So, what I’m saying is if if I couldn’t have been more liberal in how many wins I was giving Rory in the next few weeks. And if you want me to throw a couple more on top of that, I’m happy to do it. But even if I do that, you’re going to get to six, maybe seven wins compared to five wins for Scotty Sheffler that included two majors. And those other wins cannot overcome two majors, even though Rory has won. That’s what I’m saying. I I just don’t I don’t see where this is a a discussion about Rory having had a better season. There’s no measure of that. So, what is what’s your what’s the uh survey coming in at right now? Uh your your ranting and raving has made it much worse. How so? 75% are said now saying yes instead of 69% are saying yes what Derek says I disagree completely Matt these people are all saying Rory if Rory wins if Rory’s team wins the RDER Cup and he wins the race to Dubai and possibly more events um the the people are saying that he had a better year than than Scotty did no way um no way Scotty won two majors just not I’m just not buying it and and Where’s Isn’t Derek from Morocco? He is. He says, “Disagree, Matt.” Danny says, “Sorry, Matt. My view Roy has had the better year with or without the RDER Cup win.” He says, “Where’s where’s where is How could How could that be? He has literally less weight right now.” Oh, wait a minute. But your question gave him those other those other things, right? I just need to make sure. What are you asking? Read your question. What is What is confusing about this? because I believe that you gave Rory things he hasn’t earned yet and we’re presuming that. Yeah, I gave Rory the race to the buy because he’s going to get that. And I did definitively say if they win the Ryder Cup, he’s going to win the race to the buy. Yeah, I don’t know if it’s statistically statistically I think it’s locked down. I think you’re right. Set, but it’s over and he’s going to win that and he might win another tournament because he’s probably playing in four more maybe, right? And considering how well he’s playing, I would I would argue that all three of them, three of the four he’ll finish in the top. Go ahead, Andrew. Back up to our comparative to win one more comparative. All right. So, you you gave him the race Dubai and you basically gave him a team win at the RDER Cup. He No, I didn’t. No, I didn’t do that. I said if they win the RDER Cup, right? Does that is that enough? That’s the only question. I didn’t add any victories. Well, that’s what I’m saying. that what what I’m getting at he has one less victory than Scotty Sheffller even with your convoluted Yeah, but you have people you have people writing in you’re you’re wearing US tinted glasses, Matt. Uh the pressure of Roy to win the Masters and the Grand Slam outweighs Scotty’s majors. I’m just reading comments here. Well, they’re dead wrong. Four wins against five wins and two of Scotty’s five wins are majors. I don’t care where they’re what country they’re from. Okay. All right. All right. I I wanna I want to pivot a little bit. All right. Go ahead. Andrew, can you go to uh the historic seasons graphic that I put together with historic seasons? Yes. Where I wanted to take this conversation. What I think is Hey, you’re the one that asked the the question of the day. Listen, where I wanted to take this is Jerry. We’re all I think we’re all missing the point. I think the point is this may be How can you accuse us all of missing a point when we’re reacting to your question? Because you’re making this about Rory versus Scotty. You made it about Rory versus Scotty. I was just asking a question of the day that was not supposed to be a a half an hour thing. Andrew, put the graphic back up. So, what I’m trying to get across here is that everybody is missing the point. The point is this may be one of the greatest seasons of golf that we’ve ever seen in our lifetime. Full stop. If you look at these, these are the only like if I I went back like 25 years and this is the best I could find, okay, in terms of having more than one player win more than one major. Like they both have majors and they’re both getting four or five wins or more for huge gaps in time. Tiger was winning five, six, seven, eight, nine events a year and other guys were getting, you know, two wins. There might be another guy had two wins or three wins. It’s not frequent, especially in the last 25 or 30 years, that you have multiple players on tour winning four or five times each. Oh, okay. So, let me just see. Let me see if I get this right. In 2005, Tiger Woods won five times. Tiger Woods won the Open. Tiger Woods won the Masters. Phil Mickelson won four times in the PGA Championship. So, clearly Phil Mickelson had a better season that year. I just want to make sure I’ve got the the template criteria correct. No, that’s incorrect. Stay with me on planet Earth. Can we have a real discussion about this instead of yelling at me in the audience for being wrong about whatever is in your head? You’re the one that made up that stupid question. No, I didn’t do anything. I’m just doing my job. So, 2014 2016, you can see those graphics. I’ll read them quickly for the radio audience in matches went over 2005. The next season is 20145. Jordan Speath and Jason Day. They both won five times. They each won majors. Jordan won two. In 2016 2017, Justin Thomas, Dustin Johnson, and Jordan Spe all had multiple wins. Justin had five wins. He won the PGA. Dustin Johnson had four wins. And Jordan Spith had three wins, and one of those was a major. Those were the only seasons, Matt, that I could find in the last 25 or 30 years where you had lots of like multiple players collecting piles of wins and major championships as part of that win. And if you look at this year, you’ve got Rory and you’ve got Scotty doing the same thing, except I think the difference this year, Matt, which I mentioned early on, is that the wins that these guys are collecting are big time blockbuster victories. Some of these wins in in these historic seasons that are on your screen are sort of a traditional event. We’re talking this year about guys winning players, you know, uh, you know, home opens, signature events, mass, every event’s a massive event. Rory’s other event was the Pebble. I mean, these are huge events that these guys are winning. So, I just feel like the pressure of that and the quality of the wins and the quality of the fields and Rory’s collecting the grand slam and Scotty is having an alltime tiger-like season. My argument, Matt, is that this is one of the better seasons we’ve had in the last 20 years on the PG. Well, I definitely think that we’re in golf. I definitely think that there’s a strong argument to be made that we are living through the midst of a modern golden age. And you know, we’ve had this discussion before that one of the ways that you can judge there’s there’s different golden ages. Obviously, the the period that I say when Giants roamed ran from I’ll I’ll define it roughly from 1962 to 1986. You can call that the era of Jack Nicholas’s major championships, but it also included the likes of on the front end of that, he beat Arnold Palmer in a playoff at Oakmont to win the US Open, his first major championship all the way up to that improbable Masters championship in 1986 for Jack. But in between that, you had so many. And here’s Jack Nicholas with 18 major championships and 19 second place finishes. He came in third another nine times. And along the way, if you took that time frame and looked at proficiency and great play, you would have a massive percentage of players who eventually made their way into the World Golf Hall of Fame. Right? That’s the highest judgment of a player’s career is whether or not they’ve been enshrined forever more. And so that was that period was definitive. There are per other periods before that. Uh the the early days from when you go from Francis we met in 1913 winning in the US Open and then in 1914 Walter Hagen wins his first major championship. The the very young Jean Sarah asserts himself only a few years later. that period uh and very much defined ultimately I believe by Bobby Jones in the impregnable quadrilateral the the winning of the grand slam in 1930 was definitely again another golden age and then the next golden age while it’s interrupted by the the second world war was primarily defined by another triumphant and that was Ben Hogan and Sam Smene and Lord Byron uh they weren’t the only ones, but that that was predominant. And then of course you had from there we go into uh that one that I’m defining by Jack Nicholas’s career, but again it included Gary Player and included Arnold Palmer and included so many great players. I could keep going down the list. Ray Floyd, etc., etc., etc. So many multipletime major champions, some of the toughest individuals that the game has ever seen. Lee Trevino, Hail Irwin. Again, that list is long. And then we went into a period before the advent of Tiger Woods where yeah, you had Tom Watson, but I’d put Tom Watson into that prior period with Jack Nicholas. You had the emergence of Greg Norman, Nick Faldo, and their domination through through these periods, Nick Price. But that period just in terms of the quantity of great players at the top of the game was just in my mind not quite deep enough to qualify for a golden age in their own right. Again, many many of those players fell into one or a latter one. And we have to put the Tiger Woods career. The qu the really interesting question here would be how do you define it when he won his last major in 2019? But he had his fow years. So I for Tiger Woods I would essentially define it by and and I could be convinced to to to move it one way or the other, but we know the starting point is 1997. It’s just a question of where you end that golden era. 2010 as high as 2012, maybe 13. whatever it again that side of it is is not quite as defined because then scandals and injuries and all these other things started to to take their hold. He still did what great champions often do and he still gave us a flash of brilliance at the Tour Championship and then the following spring at the Masters which was incredible. It was it was really neat that it happened uh for many of us during a part of our life that we can clearly remember and we knew exactly where we were when uh as it all happened. So it’s that was that’s again another period and then we went through kind I believe kind of a lull where we were waiting for these new players to start to emerge and I believe that right now we are sitting out now the the two tours splitting definitely interrupted where I’m coming from with all of this here it is post Tiger Modern era ripped three plus majors since 2013. Rory Maroyy’s had five. Brooks Kepka’s had five. Scotty Sheffller’s had four. Jordan Spe has had three. Right? That’s where we are right now. So, we’re starting to get a look at a pattern where we have players that have won multiple majors. Just like the the big golden age where I said when Giants roam, that would have been Jack Nicholas’s, which I think of all these different eras that I’m describing to you, the predominant era would have been that one because of the depth of the players at the top of these leaderboards. And I’ve I’ve described that that era as a knife fight because it just was so intense, right? Not taking anything away from the others, but the but the depth of field even at the top of the leaderboards, even during the eras of when Hogan and Sneed and Byron Nelson were trying to beat each other out in the golf course, uh they just didn’t have the same amount of depth. They had a lot of great players, but those players were so special in the game. That’s what raised that era up individually. Well, what we’re having now is we’re having a tremendous amount of depth. And as I was saying to you, yeah, the the the current era hit a speed bump when the tours when great players from the tours separated. I don’t know if that’s a rift in terms of I’m not talking about politics. I’m not talking about tours coming together, not coming together, any of that stuff. I’m talking about the players themselves. Now, I don’t know if that’s a rift that can be made up moving forward. In other words, what would it take to do that? Oh, it would take John Romwinning another major or two, maybe more. It would take Brooks Kepka getting back into the mix again. Um, it would take Bryson continuing to do his Bryson things. It would take maybe Jordan finding some form again, although I think there’s a lot of people that are starting to doubt that we’re going to see the magic that we saw in those early years of of his tour experience and what he did. So for a lot of reasons there’s, you know, despite the the big picture, I call I’m going to call it the ugliness that took place with just pure competition between the two sides and and insults levied back and forth and all that all that went into that ugliness that I I truly hope that we’re moving beyond. Although it still leaves a lot of big questions unresolved. What I’m saying is I’m hoping we move beyond the mudslinging back and forth, the we’re better than you because we have seen very dramatic ratings increases across 2025. The question is why? I think even though I was vocally uh against the signature events, I you know I didn’t like a field 70 80 players because golf to me has always been you eat what you kill. 70 80 players no cut increased points. You know it kind of seemed like a rich get richer. It’s easier to hold your position. It has had an impact on uh the RDER Cup team because the RDER Cup points are based upon money one and money one is more in the signature events etc etc. All of it has a has a cascading effect. But as we were told it would, which I’ll admit I doubted, the people have responded. They have responded to these fields that are topheavy and the events have delivered. You know, one of one of the events that was a standout to me that maybe it was because I was up there and I was hosting the the world coverage of it was the Travelers. And while we felt bad for Tommy, the sting of sorrow for Tommy not closing out at the Travelers, of course, is offset by what he did at the Tour Championship, but at the time, and then to have Keegan Bradley, the reigning United States Rder Cup captain, uh, come back and and catch him at the end and win the event, event that he considers his major because he’s a New England kid, was just mind-blowingly good. It was wildly good entertainment. And we saw so many events that fit that criteria. You know, it’s funny because when you when you think about the Open and Scotty’s win at the Open, one of the criticisms of that victory was that it seemed kind of boring. To which, you know, I took a step away from it myself and said, “Wait a minute. When you have dominance, and if you want dominance, there’s another question of the day for his do. Do you want parody or do you want dominance?” When you get dominance, you get boring. Again, cast your mind back. Go back to Tiger winning at Pebble Beach by 15, finishing 12 under par when the next closest Ernie Ell’s was plus three. Think about that when you were watching it through the the shroud of fog and all the rest that was that week. It was boring. gloriously boring because in retrospect we look back on that now and go that was one of the greatest major championship performances ever right then we think about you know Hendrickk and Phil and their heavyweight bout you can go back to 1977 in the duel in the sun with with Jack Nicholas and Tom Watson again another heavyweight bout at the time those are crazy entertaining so much fun to watch those kind of matches. But when history looks back on them, they all get bundled together into into great major championship wins because dot dot dot. It’s amazing. Uh Dom, any other graphics you wanted to go through as we’re as I went on that solidquy of of legends and eras and times? No, no. I mean, we we could do this for hours. I mean, the only other thing that I had built out that you t you touched on in our did you know today, which I just think is a it’s it’s another interesting factoid is just the reality that it may be not debatable anymore that Roy Moy is officially the greatest dual tour player in the history of golf. Um, Tiger, as you can see there, if you’re looking on the TV side, on the radio side, it’s dual tour legends graphic, and there’s only five players on it, uh, that have amassed a lot of PGA Tour wins and also a lot of European tour wins. VJ Singh, Greg Norman, and Ernie Ell’s. Neither of them, neither of those three had 20 or more wins on both tours. Rory and Tiger are the only ones to do that. And Tiger had 41 European Tour wins. 33 of those were major championships in WGC events. And to the best of my knowledge, Matt, I don’t think Tiger Woods was ever an actual member of the European Tour at any time. I don’t think he ever won an Order of Merit or Race to Dubai because he was never he never took membership there. Rory has been a dual member and has not maybe not every year, but as often as he can. I think there was a stretch there where he didn’t, but 29 PGA Tour wins and 20 European tour wins. And I fully anticipate with his age and his health m, you know, if he maintains those things, um, I don’t know why he doesn’t add to both those totals. Now, he might not end up with 50 and 50, but I think he’s going to add to both those numbers. And I just think it’s an interesting thing to discuss. I mean, to put it bluntly, would you agree with that statement that he is already like he’s alone right on the mountain of of of both tours? Yeah, because you’re you’re looking at Tigers 41 wins and what 36 of those, if I remember the math, 33 33 were either World Golf Championship events or major championships. So, they really weren’t what was then called European Tour events. They were He was never really a member of the tour either. So, that would bring that would bring his net number even though Rory has some some cross events as well in fairness, but he’s a member of that tour. So you could that you could make a different argument there. But yeah, in terms in terms of straddling the tours, it probably is Rory. I mean, that’s another whole another historic conversation to have because Sevy was the first player who really set out after after Tony Jaclyn. Tony Jaclyn tried it uh and it beat him up pretty good and those were during the days of the kind of uh Mark McCormack philosophy of to be truly an icon you have to be a global icon. And that’s the reason why he brought Arnold Palmer across the pond to compete in the open. And the concept of the modern grand slam between Bob Drum and Arnold Palmer, you know, conceived on an airplane flying flying over the ocean. Uh so Mr. Palmer would be arguably the first one I would say that would that would definitively fit that criteria. But the first from the at least English side was Tony Jaclyn and Tony Jaclyn won majors uh won the Open. He also won the the US Open. And so that was distinctive and that and that meant a great deal. Uh it wore Tony out mentally, physically, emotionally. There’s no doubt about that. Uh not enough that he didn’t deserve his entry into the World Golf Hall of Fame and certainly not enough that he didn’t redefine the RDER Cup as we know it. He doesn’t get the credit that he deserves for that, frankly. And we cannot wait next week to share with you the the example of exactly what we’re talking about. When when I say that, I like to hear from the players themselves, to hear from Tony Jacqueline’s words. Yeah, we’re going to share that with you um in just a few days from now in our kind of setup getting you ready for the RDER Cup and all that that lies in store. But but Sebie tried to do it. He tried he tried to do the two tours as well. And so that’s a whole another another conversation. But based upon the number of wins on the PGA tour, uh Rory has had more of them than anybody else that that tried to traverse both sides of the Atlantic in their playing career. Uh and Rory’s continuing to creep up with wins on the DP World Tour as well. And as Dom mentioned, he has more opportunities for the same in the year that remains. And now that he’s living primarily uh just outside of London at Wentworth in the new house that they have there, I wonder if that means he’s going to pop up more on the DP World Tour or will he try to keep essentially the same schedule and just fly across the Atlantic in his big private jet whenever he can? Uh it’s one of the advantages of of modern travel and and having a lot of dough that you’ve won in an incredibly successful career. So it’s fascinating stuff. There’s no doubt about that. 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