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05:33 The punt flag that broke the vibe
11:19 Why the next three weeks matter
22:14 Portal, trenches, and how to reload
26:25 BVR ST Co explained
36:51 Building a tech-driven Beavs program
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01:10:34 Grassroots beats waiting
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01:14:22 Tech can flip college sports
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01:16:04 Head coach as CEO
01:17:31 Where the team really is
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01:24:44 Game plan confusion
01:26:47 Where’s the creativity
01:28:06 Not using the weapons
01:30:11 Trenches are the tell
01:31:19 Player coach dynamics
01:32:48 Stretch the field already
01:34:21 Play the talented TEs
01:35:36 Inexperience in key spots
01:37:47 OC as the season’s anchor
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we have already made it further into this episode without fuck ups than the Oregon State
football team made it into the 2025 football season. None of us are on the field when we’re not supposed to be. None of us are wearing the same jersey number, fucking up a perfectly good three and out. We are here, episode 186. Oh, and one 2025 edition. Fire everybody, burn the stadium down, get the dump truck out, back it up, turn this place
into a parking lot, a la Dennis Quaden Major League Two. Hi everyone. I’m Terry Horstman This is the 186th of the Belligerent Beavs Podcast. I’m joined as I always am by my beloved best friends from college. Benny L1986 aka Benjamin Lawrence, Sebastian Wehage and JP Bertram aka at the Treal Jay
Normally I do your social media tags at the end, but we just got the shit kicked out of us by Cal. So I’m doing things a little bit differently and we are joined by PM aka at Digital Dam
aka Peter was not fired by Damnation. You get four, four for the price of three. The Beavs are 0-1 and as we speak, the Cal defensive line is burying Anthony Hankerson
nine yards behind the line of scrimmage before he even touches a goddamn ball. How are you guys doing? Happy Labor Day weekend, everybody. Wow, what an intro. in hot. Well, we normally talk about nothing for a while, when considering what happened on the
football field this weekend, I would love to just quote step brothers for an hour and a half or do literally anything else. nothing is more like just talking about the game. Right, because the game was way worse than nothing. It was very, very negative. Benny, you were in the house. Did it look as bad in person as it looked on TV? Yeah, man, it was, you know, was watching from the terrace, so I really only saw the half
half of the game that was played on, on our side of the field. but yeah, man, it was really bad. It’s, I’ll say the vibe down in Corvallis was just off. It was weird. And I think a lot of that has to do with, you know, being Labor Day weekend and classes
not being in session. But the student section was, I mean, it wasn’t filled filled, but it was, there’s a lot of
people there. it just felt so subdued and maybe I’m comparing that to the opener last year where the
brand new side of the stadium was brand new. and you know, everyone was excited about that, but it just felt like an off vibe to begin
with. and then Tara, you alluded to it. It was like that, that penalty, on the punt after the, the first what should have been third and out, three and out. I mean, that sucked a lot of energy out of the stadium, to be honest. And when they came down and scored a touchdown, you just sort of had that feeling of this
could get ugly really quick. And and it did. But yeah, not a lot of Cal fans there, which I think was the only sort of silver lining. So not a lot of people that were talking shit, that’s because it’s always a percentage of fans and Cal has no fans. As a Bay Area kid, I could tell you that Cal has no fans. if they do exist, but even if all of them were there, don’t you think you might still say
not a lot of Cal fans here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is… you just said is I’m curious because some of the thought is, well, it was dead. was quiet. The vibe was off because like schools not in session. Students haven’t moved in yet. They haven’t come back yet. But you just said that the Beaver Dam was fairly full. So. way fuller than what I thought it was going to be. It was the rest of the stadium. The rest of the stadium, like the new side, especially at kickoff, like there was, it
maybe was half full. And then the upper decks were, it did fill in as the game went on, but the upper decks,
the terrace was not full. It was very easy to get a spot right up front center. Beaver Street was, Full-ish, yeah, no lines at the restroom, no lines at concessions. Like I was able to get a beer, walk into that little grab and go section, get out within
like a minute. It was, I’ve just never seen it like that before. Well, you’re in. though, when you can walk up to a concession stand or a restroom or porta potty even and
there’s no line, it always feels kind of good, not in, but not in the circumstances of why it’s occurring. and it Benny that like it kind of felt like that in the streets, obviously the tailgating area
wasn’t completely sold out, which I think matches certain games on August 30th that I’ve been to before, but maybe not against an opponent like Cal, maybe not against… thing. that felt this important where it’s like, if we don’t go 10 and two this year, we’re
fucked. That’s kind of what we said on the predictions episode. And I think we maybe omitted that to nine and three. And I don’t think we’re doing either of those things anymore. m and to your point, Terry, like, so I went down with a super secret producer, Iskinder, and
we were commenting. Yeah, we were commenting. So we parked on the other side of Monroe and we were walking through campus and we were
going to a tailgater on the other side of Western. So we walked through pretty much the whole stretch of where people would be and we’re
walking through campus. And he looks at me and he’s like, you can hear the leaves falling on the ground. Like this is weird. And it was just so quiet. And part of that school not being in session, but that’s sort of the pilgrimage of walking
through campus to the stadium. And there was just no one. were like in two hours, hour and a half before kickoff. It was just weird. fucked up by not walking from the hyphy house. It’s on you. from the Hyphy house. We parked in front of the Hyphy house. Yeah, for good luck. said he parked on 15th and Western. No, he said he went from other side of everyone around to off of Western. Yeah, it was tough. We’ll get into specifics a little bit. Let’s let our guest talk for a little bit. PM, you mentioned before we started recording that your wife in the other room knew it
wasn’t going great because of the lack of clapping, the lack of let’s fucking goes, just the lack of, you know, anything resembling energy, which I’d say a complete lack of energy
describes Oregon State’s effort. until Ojeda made a 53 yard field goal with no time left in the first half, which felt like
the Cal game in 2006 when we got our asses kicked. But how is… so it was like it was like I took a Benzodiazepine and like that’s how I watched the
football game I was just like yeah this is football on my television okay that sounds good like and there was no enthusiasm the entire game you had it for the first three and out
but the minute I saw that guy run off the field I was like you’ve got to be kidding me like the minute I saw him run off and they threw the flag I was like like we’re cooked
like like that that hurt me really felt like the game. And it was like 1412 in the first quarter. And not running off, just lightly jogging off the field. Yeah. even worse is if you are a coach, how you don’t just look at the ref and go, hey, real
quick, time out. Like this is a monumental play. We just got a three and out. First series, we want to prove that the defense is great. We just got this three and out. I’m going to call this to preserve that and keep the momentum. And you didn’t. And you just thought you could like get away with this. highlight this, the player in question is Dexter Foster, who was a silver lining from last
year and a player we are excited about going into this and making it even worse, Dexter Foster is number seven. Point returner Trent Walker is also number seven. Foster can never be on the field. at the same time that Walker is on the field. So like, that could be a monumental fuck up on Foster, like I’m just gonna be out here in
case they fake it or something, but that has to be a major, major coaching snafu for that to happen. what’s even more frustrating? Was that same penalty happened last year with number seven and number seven. Early on in the season, it happened last year with Trent Walker returning. We had another number seven. He returned it pretty far, but they called it back. And I think it was against San Diego State because we had two number sevens in the field. my goodness. That was the worst. at the town. same issue. Well, that San Diego Seca game was the least… He was probably already on from third down. But like what PM said, like when you notice it’s the first half, just burn that fucking
time out. Like it’s not like early third quarter. Like it’s just like, holy shit. Like there’s two sevens out there. We can’t have this. So like either he heard something and maybe there was some kind of check that was like
like plague this conservative in case there’s a fake and he felt he was supposed to be out there. I don’t know. And I’m not trying to both sides it but like depending on the call, like there could have
been a call that that or yeah. like, everyone probably thought like it was, yeah, me, he’s talking about me, he ran out. so many double uniforms in college. And I’m like, I know college rosters are bigger than the NFL, but you look at any teams,
like numerical roster, there are so many duplicates. And I’m like, it’s not like you have 200 people on the team. Like make him wear eight, make one of them wear eight or six. Come on, like you don’t need this many people to be duplicated up. Dexter Foster should know on a third down stop, he needs to be running off the field every
time. Unless it’s like fourth and one from their 30 yard line. like some like a fourth in two. was fourth and short. That’s why I think that’s the basis. Yeah, that’s the basis of the confusion, I think. None of this would have happened if culture wouldn’t open up numbers for whatever the hell
you wanted it to be any position. As soon as that started, all hell broke loose. Right. So anyway, it really felt like we lost the game on that play. uh Dude, you ate all off-season and then the minute that happens you’re like, well that’s the
game. very excited to see a season opening three and out after this fuck shit that our defense
put on the field last season. I was like lit. then, and like the broadcast was the word, three of, Benny, you were there. The three of us all watched on TV. They like cut till just like a highlight package of Maalik Murphy. And I was in a bar, so like it was, I didn’t get the audio, but it just went, I thought I
saw Foster. run off the field and the snap happened before he got off. I did not see a flag. And then just instantly went to Maalik Murphy highlight package. And it was an extended lead long highlight package. And it came back from that highlight package to a ref just like, I’m an adult in the
fucking Peanuts cartoons and then points that way. And I’m like, great, season’s over. We’re not gonna win a goddamn game. And that was the feeling the rest of the night. Well, our offense got three snaps. We had three snaps and we were down 14-0. Like that, yeah, real fun. That’s a great way to start the season. But yeah, Jay, what are your thoughts? on everything about the world about the night sky on the game the night sky the night sky well I don’t Research Stadium as this ass kicking was going down so we can have something else to talk
about. I couldn’t see constellations. I couldn’t listen to audio for the first half. I was in Black Butte and it was smoky as shit. So I couldn’t see the constellations that were, you know, in the vicinity. Sorry. And then I couldn’t hear the audio, but I did not see Foster running off. I saw the punt go up and I’m like, hell yeah. Like, this is a great start of the is of Bray’s second tenure as our We might do it this year. Three and out, Walker, 10 yard return. I’m like, what? Why do they have the ball again? Like what is going on? And then they did cut back to the highlight a second time, but it looked like he had like
hit somebody in the back or had like they didn’t know what they’re even showing either. So it was like, okay, well, fuck like, let’s just get a stop. And of course it was like two plays later, they scored touchdowns. So you’re like, well, yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And as soon as that happened, I feel like I just lost all faith, honestly. And the emotion wasn’t there. The excitement was drained immediately. My thought at the time, to be honest, as like halftime approached, I’m like, I think
Benny, you texted us, like, if we get a touchdown here, we’re good. And that was right before half and we didn’t. And it was like, Okay, well, we got some points, but maybe we get the ball back and we do something. Yeah. And I started to wonder, like, is anyone else’s enthusiasm waning like this already? And but when I didn’t know how the crowd looked until it became a story and until you
talked about it, Benny, not tonight, but previously. And now I’m worried. Now I’m just worried in general because I feel like if you lose the momentum and the faith
of your fans. From one game, they should have been more competitive. I won’t come out and say that we should have for sure one. I think we all predicted that we’d win this game, but a lot of it was kind of like, hey,
circumstantially, this sounds like it’s going to benefit the Beavs and we’re feeling like we’re in a good spot to start this season. Yeah. If we didn’t have a crowd then and we lost that much like empathy from viewers and fans
alike after like the first five minutes, this could be a really tough season. And I think that was what was in my mind the entire game. was kind of another very important topic was, man, if we can’t excite the players and the
fans now, when will it happen? And if it’s not very soon like this season’s lost. Honestly. and I had said last week and I still agree with it that this was our most important game
because we have to beat Fresno State next week. Like we have to, because the way that they played, even if they play slightly better,
we’re gonna get smoked by Texas Tech in Oregon. Like you can’t play that way. I think I’m looking at a different way then I think we have to beat Fresno State to prove
that all of the wrinkles are ironed out. And if we don’t prove that, then yeah, I don’t feel very good at all about the two games
thereafter. If we can stomp Fresno State and show, yeah, sorry, a little bit of growing pains, a
couple new. Yeah, that’s what I mean. But I’m. But I don’t think that we, if like, by winning it means it saves our season because now
we’re one and three to open the first four. I think that we have, maybe can show what our potential and our ceiling looks like if we
could do what we’re supposed to do against President State, or at least on paper. win offensively. You need to come out and it needs to be an offensive win and you need to be in a position
where you say, yep, the Cal game was kind of a rough early fluke, we couldn’t recover from it, but we beat Fresno so bad and it’s humming and it’s looking good that we’re going into
Texas Tech and we might actually do something. We might not win, but it might be more competitive than we think, right? I think that’s what you wanna see this weekend. and you definitely want to see it and then think, well, then Houston will dominate. Wake Forest, we’re going to dominate, right? Like, I think that’s what you want to feel. Because even if you lose to Texas Tech and Oregon, the rest of your schedule is very
winnable. So you could still be nine and three, which is an incredible season. But if you struggle against Fresno, you start going, wait a minute, is this like a six and
six? Like, this is starting to look pretty difficult. it’s not about pocketing the W. It’s literally about showcasing that there’s other games that are winnable that we can
actually execute and, you know, get those wins. you don’t beat Fresno State and you start out 0-4, then yeah, you do have a cupcake
schedule in the second half of the season. But I mean, in college, if you go 0-4 and you have the ability to transfer, those players
are, not all of them are going to be invested in that team any longer. Like that’s just how college football works. So I mean, 1-3 is not great, but if you’re 0-4, before there’s the first home game of school and session. Like, dude, that is bad. salvage it if you beat Fresno State and one of those two games against Texas Tech or
Oregon is like a competitive loss, not even a super competitive loss, but like you look like a college football team. Like you hang with Texas Tech a little bit or or or when like you predict when it is, I
say they should start three and one. That’s just one guy’s opinion. Go out and win these next three games, Dreadprey. But yeah, think what the most disappointing thing is too, and I think we can’t have this
conversation and like give zero credit to Cal and like Cal was predicted widely to finish like 15th out of 17th in the ACC. And I think that’s just gonna prove to be wildly wrong. Jaron Chiave, Sanga Pulitele looks like a star in the making. We still weren’t good and there were some baffling decisions. like we’ll get into this like more and more, especially as the season goes on. Like maybe Cal’s really good and you know, I hesitate, it’s completely different time, but
was kind of every single Riley era team was like, okay, get hit in the mouth in an embarrassing way to start the season. Bounce back, win a handful of more games that you shouldn’t. lose a game that you shouldn’t and then finish eight and four, nine and four, eight and
five. And then no one really knows the difference at the end of it. That could still happen. But but the most frustrating part of it isn’t just losing to Cal at home. If like Jaren had come out and just carved us up and it was like, wow, we got beat by a
better football team. That’s what you like. Move on. Let’s beat Fresno next week. I think we got beat by a better football team. but we also looked like we weren’t ready at all in all three phases. Special teams was a disaster outside of Ojeda who drilled a 53 yard field goal and then
let them kick any of the extra points to run baffling two point conversion attempts. yeah, the analytics were there, just go for it. Peter, that’s why you need to get your coordinator up and running, everyone’s like, analytics, they go for it here. And the analytics don’t take into account the specific defense that you’re facing, or the
fact that you’ve been dog shit in short yardage situations, the entire game and what play are you running? Offensively, we couldn’t get the ball to someone other than Trent Walker, we were really
hoping that was going to be Darius Clemens that year this year. And he’s gone, not going to come and save us. Who is that going to be? The worst, the worst, absolute fucking worst pass rush in the country last year did not
look much better. There are more questions than answers after off season with a lot of questions. And I think Bray needed to answer at least a few of those questions and the team and
that’s whether it’s fair or not given the situation that he’s in. That’s where the eyeballs and the finger pointing and everything should be. And it’s it’s balls in your court coach Bray. And we need to you. You can’t beat Fresno 21 to 17 next week. Something like we need to see. Something regarding a confident competent. Football team that is in control because this team didn’t look in control at any point
last week. Terry, you brought up a good point and this is sort of the foundation of what my concern
is, is the defensive line didn’t look like they improved. The offensive line didn’t look like they improved. this is sort of like, and I’ll be the first to say when we got Maalik, I was so, so
excited. But. when your defensive line and off the offensive line is the foundation of your offense. It doesn’t matter how many people and how good they are at the skilled positions. If you don’t have an offensive line, they’re not going to be able to shine. And it doesn’t seem like we did anything to shore that up. And. say the offensive line did look like they were improving over the course of the game for
protection for Maalik. Yes. Not, but he couldn’t, you couldn’t let plays develop. Yeah. You couldn’t let plays develop if you aren’t running the ball. So. the offensive line at least lost a lot of people of any like position group. think they’re like not to give them a free pass or anything, but that was where you would
maybe expect some regression. But also that shouldn’t come as a surprise to the coaching staff at all. Yeah, that you have you have to fucking reload like if that’s through the transfer portal
and you have to spend NIL money and then don’t spend a What 1.5 million dollars on the quarterback and spread that out a little bit more to have an offensive line like don’t I don’t agree with that. I don’t agree with that, Benny. I actually truly don’t agree with that because I actually think that Maalik was one of the
very few shining stars of our team this last weekend. I agree. But what I’m saying is, is if you had an offensive line that could allow you to have one
of the best running backs in the country get more than 50 yards, like I’m not saying that another quarterback would shine as well as what Maalik did, but you could have a
quarterback that had a little less skill that had as good of a game if he had more time than what Maalik had. I do think scheme is kind of where you think like the, listened to a lot of like, or I
watched the game back a lot and I had audio for the third and fourth quarter and they were screaming it from the mountain tops basically that Maalik did a lot of tempo at Duke last
year and it worked great. And we were huddling up, putting them under, we did very little tempo. And that was something where slow, so slow to get these plays in. Maalik was a great tempo quarterback last year we did no tempo Maalik also there’s there’s
a racial component to this and the way like people analyze things. But Maalik didn’t run much at Duke last year. And like, three of our first six running plays were RPOs, which Maalik didn’t do a ton of
at Duke last year either. And he did he had he had he had a nice rushing touchdown and he is like he’s not he’s He’s not, he’s similar to DJ in like a handful of ways. They’re very different quarterbacks, but like kind of just that Dante called pepper build. If he does need to tuck it in, run, he can knock a guy over and make some things happen. But it’s not like we were going so slow. We’re going slow as fuck on defense too. I don’t know if you guys notice this every time Cal subbed, which gives the defense the
opportunity to sub. We were subbing as fucking slow. as the play clock allowed to try and run the clock down for Sangapura Tele, which, hey,
that’s a thought, but that clearly wasn’t working after the first three or four plays. And we just kept doing it. And it wasn’t working at all. I think we had one idea of how this game could go. And once we got hit in the mouth and the script flipped, we had no plan. And it honestly reminded me of that Air Force game last year, where they’re just like,
wasn’t. Anything in the game plan to get it going and they flipped it a little bit at the end the
guys on the field played their ass off I have kind of a list of silver silver linings dull very dull silver linings emphasis on you know Whatever guys who I thought played well
looked like college football players at the end But we got so vastly out coached by a more experienced coach, but a less experienced team and a game that We needed to win to have
the season that we wanted to have Let me ask you guys this, and I’m not suggesting that anybody get fired or lose their
jobs, but do you think that Bray is getting more of a benefit of the doubt because he is an OSU alum and because he did stick around during the toughest time in Oregon State
football history? unfairly, maybe. Yeah, we can jump into that. I think so. And I think a lot of the coordinators and everyone else that have come out to help at a
time of need, maybe. But I don’t think that’s going to be long lasting. I don’t even know how much of that’s lasting at this point. But I do want to say we did talk a bit about Murphy. We did talk a bit about NIL. We did talk a bit about money in college athletics. We’ve got a guest. We can come back and figure out what the hell’s wrong with this game. I don’t know if there’s much to analyze to be honest, but we have a guest who made a very
important announcement about a week ago. And I would love to hear one about his thoughts on why he got this ball rolling and two,
where he feels things are going to differentiate for his efforts and how that’s going to impact Oregon state. actually before we even jump into this all, PM, I’m gonna let you like introduce, you know, your whole, your whole idea, but there was
a little synergy and I don’t know how, how much of that was by design or not, Benny, but your, your posts, your AI generated posts this week on social media about essentially how
to, you know, how do we fix and save for Oregon State Athletics for the future? seemed like there was a lot of ideologies that aligned with what PM is building. So Peter G- about it. So that was, that was in the back of my head, I’m sure. Yeah, Peter give you the floor man. What is it? What is your building here? Why are you on here right now other than being a fun guest host? love talking Beavs, man. I could do it 24, 7, 365. I’ve seen people throw out the theory that I’m a paid shill and that I’m not a real Beaver
fan. And I’m like, okay, dude, I don’t think I would be a fan of a team that’s middling in
every single athletic program besides baseball. I don’t think I would actively want to do that, right? But no, I’ll do this. Since you didn’t do the segue, I’ll do the segue. It wasn’t popping on Beaver Street. Now, sorry! I decided to launch BVR ST Co. There we go. Boom. Done. No, yes, I’m glad. I’m glad to be talking about it with you guys. I think this is something that’s. boy, I’ve been I’ve been adding in about it for over a year, I would say, kind of in the
shadows. But there was a recent video which which I’ll talk about in a bit that kind of sparked
this interest. But essentially, for those who are not aware, because I feel like some of your listeners and viewers will definitely not be aware of this. I launched what is an innovative studio about, God, what a week now? Yeah, over a week. um And the core goal is to really leverage this phenomenal Oregon State alumni network
that is in tech to make forward thinking products, build fun services and experiences and just kind of turn Oregon State into the quote unquote tech university. I think the easiest way to explain this is, unfortunately, have a sibling to the South
who’s done a fantastic job with partnering with a brand, Nike, obviously, Oregon. And it’s proven to be incredibly successful. They are the leaders in this NIL space. There’s no debate about this. I’m not going to sit here and say, Ohio State. No, it’s Oregon and Nike, and they’re blowing everybody out of the water. And so in order to compete, you need to adapt something like that, right? Like that’s what you need to do. so weirdly enough, we’re in the most unique position where we have the largest company in
the world as alumni. it never made any sense why we never aligned with it. Whether it was culturally or making products, we just never did anything to align with it. And so I started BVR ST Co. Left the co kind of ambiguous. So it’s, it’s, you can write in collective, you can write in community, you can write in
company, you can do whatever you want to do. Right. And the whole premise is, is we are going to offer products and services that align with
tech are forward thinking or fun and exciting. But at the same time, any marketing opportunity we have goes to the athletes. And that’s the premise of it. So technically speaking, we’re not an NIL collected because I’m not going to collect your
money and then give it to the athletes. But we are going to do what’s called true NIL to like, you know, say, hey, we have a
product that’s sports specific for this. We’re going to use Jade Carey to promote it. Right. Boom. Done. So yeah, that’s the quick high overview of it. One thing I thought when I first heard from about this from you, Peter, was that it makes
too much sense. There’s nobody actually at the forefront of technology and athletics really publicly
anywhere, whether it’s professional or collegiate slash professional. And. The reason why Nike and Oregon worked. was obviously a brand perspective, but at the time when they gained a lot of traction,
think about that era. What made you feel as an athlete that you could succeed? Your gear, right? Do I have the right shoes? Do I have the right uniforms? And it was like, these are the best cleats on the market. These are the newest technology for uniform cuts and trims on the market. I go there, I get all this, plus all the free swag. That’s like a match made in heaven. I don’t blame anybody for looking at it that way. But I think we’ve all come to the realization that it’s very easy to enter a market with
sports performance apparel now and challenge Nike for what used to be their crown. And I think that there’s also a lot of young adults that don’t look at Nike the same way
because they think This is old news. Getting the best gear. Maybe it looks great. I like wearing it, but helping me performance wise, it’s not the same anymore. They don’t have the same kind of head start that they had 15, 10, 15, 20 years ago. I think that most 18, 17, 18, 19 year olds right now see technology as the way for them to
unlock their biggest potential. as athletes and pairing that up, whether it’s directly to impact their performance and
training and, development or to get them involved within technology is going to be a massive, massive difference maker. If we’re able to connect all the right dots, cause we have the dots to connect some easier
than others, but not making an effort to do so. yeah, it’s something that should never even be considered. yeah, you can do it organically. How many universities can say they do that, right? Like every aspect of modern tech, you can align with organically simply because of Nvidia. Like that’s all you need, right? There’s your story. Hey, we wanna do blockchain, we wanna do gaming, we wanna do AI. you you can sell that and then be like, yeah, but that’s cause know, Jensen Huang came
from Oregon State. Everyone’s gonna go, yeah, that actually makes a ton of sense. I can see the vision, I can align with that as a beaver, right? A beaver building this, that’s cool, I like that. And to just ignore that and not really do anything with it, to me feels like you’re doing
a disservice. And at some point someone needs to like grab it and be like, we’re gonna at least attempt
this and if it doesn’t work, we tried, but if it works, you could go from last to, I mean, you’re above everybody at that point. it’s not even like, Nike doesn’t even sniff you at that point. Yeah. if you hit the upper echelon of it. Yeah. And I would say like, if what you’re doing works, what my hope would be obviously is that
it attracts Jensen Huang to help fund the athletic program like Phil Knight did to Nike. But you would hope that the athletic program itself would sort of look at this and
incorporate some of it. And just like Oregon became sort of the Nike brand. The Nike brand in Oregon were sort of, you couldn’t disconnect them from each other. or their testing ground for all of their new everything, all their new technology. you need to do. Yes. same way you can make Oregon the tech, not you know, because Oregon State is the tech
university to us, or at least the AI university at this point with the research center that Jenset Kwong has helped funding. And if you’re the athletic program, it’s like you have to think outside the box and the
answer is sort of in your backyard. And how can you incorporate that? And JP, you had made a good point. it, right. Yeah. But you, pointed out a, made a great point of with Oregon and Nike, it was a relationship
that was made in heaven. It made sense. was easy to connect those dots, right? They were right there in front of you. How could you not see it? But with AI, I think there’s more potential, a ton more potential. Cause you can actually have it like. make your program better, not just look better, but be better. But it’s going to take work. And it’s going to take people like you, Peter, to go out on a limb and say, OK, the answer
is not right in front of us, but there is an answer here. And it’s about digging that out and finding and implementing it. So yeah, my hope is that the university takes what you’re doing and hopefully runs with
it. And what it’s going to be is, I think the reason why I felt like I, it’s not that I needed
to do this, but I really wanted to do it was because I do have a very extensive background in software engineering. And so like, I understand the space and I can build things. Like I don’t need to go out and see round and build things and like develop a team, right? Like I can, for example, take this little thing, build a tensor RT model, train it with
TensorFlow. update it to this NVIDIA Jensen, use my 37. I can do all these things in my basement, like in my garage here, right? And to me, it’s just like, cool, we can do that, bring in a couple of student interns from
the CompSci program. And all of a sudden, you’re just building this whole culture of like, hey, we’re going to
be this fun think tank, where we get NVIDIA involved. It’s cool, you want to be a part of it. And then the athletic program goes, actually, yeah, you are making something really cool. How can we integrate this within our systems or how can we at least include you in
marketing efforts or include you in branding or get some culture involved in this, right? And you start pushing that out, you then build that bridge for Jensen to be like, I see
what you’re doing. That’s actually kind of cool. How can I be a part of this in a bigger level? And that’s how you get him involved. Like it’s not gonna be, yes, go ahead. go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Finish up what saying. No, no, I was just going to say that’s this. think it’s got to be the opposite of the Phil Knight, even though it’s like the easiest
way to do this. Where Phil is like, I mean, you read his book and he in his book just says the only thing
I ever wanted to do was beat Oregon State in my Nikes. Like that’s literally was in his book. He was like, there was nothing better than beating Oregon State, but only beating them
when when they wore my shoes. Like he cared about that. Right. Jensen, his priorities. Align with his products. He is obsessed with the video like that is his life And so you need to meet him where he’s
at and he will he will embrace that he will eventually be like cool I’m glad you’re actually using this. This is awesome. We build all these cool things. I want to help you continue doing that I got a question because it was, thought I had actually earlier this week and maybe not so
much of a question, like a, even a suggestion. And it’s that, uh, with Jensen, like you just said, kind of more like, I know what I like,
what I’m passionate about, what I care about it’s technology, right? It’s pushing, it is pushing technology into the future. Uh, even if he that will circumstantially fell into it because of how the the company and the products that he had ended up working with what developed later on. He still has that passion and I’m not sure. I don’t know how much he gets involved with like incubators or accelerators, but there
could be even a play of being like, we’re not even just using your products to help, you know, look at sports technology. We’re bringing athletes in to develop the build. businesses with your products. Hey, Jensen, this is like, you know, our wide receiver, our running back, our alignment,
our center fielder, our center, whatever. They’re building something. We want to help them get funding and it’s using their product or using your products. Like how do we get that relationship started? I almost feel like that even is like getting it even closer to that whole his world versus
the athletes and I L and you know, current landscape. There’s two things, but one, I’m actually really glad that you brought that up because
there is one athlete that I am working on this with and he is a programmer and he is someone that reached out and he was like, dude, I can do this, this and this. What can I do to help you? And he’s in the football team and I’ll put this out later. So I’m going to keep it under wraps for now, but he’s very passionate about this and that
is another key proponent of. You’re just like, we’re gonna make programming cool. Like I’m gonna make it cool as shit, man. Like tech’s gonna be cool. Like you’re gonna be an athlete and you’re gonna be like, yeah, man, these Vikes are cool. But my 5090 gaming PC is fucking bad ass, bro. Like this thing is a fucking rig that I can play Call of Duty on for hours or like, yeah,
I built this whole fucking AI model that’s specific to me that helps me train. Like that to me is where I eventually wanna get. But I think another part of this and you kind of, I wanna say kind of floated around it
is, NVIDIA is not like the only company that’s involved in any of this. There are so many, so many incubators, so many VC funds, so many places just looking to
invest in these things. You can go out and get 20 different companies to be a part of this before you even get
NVIDIA, right? And you can still get funding in. So there’s more avenues for me to explore other than just being like, I only care about
NVIDIA and NVIDIA, that’s it, right? Like if AMD wants to do something that’s cool, Intel wants to do something that’s cool,
right? But Nvidia, think is the best way to sell the vision of like, we can change the culture
and embrace something that we should have been embracing for the last decade, to be honest with you. day one, Peter, how do you sell that vision to athletes that this stranglehold on the tech
industry or at least connections in the tech industry are as advantageous to athletes as Oregon did with Nike, you know, 20 some years ago, there’s obviously a lot of comparisons
we can make with this, but we’ve been talking about Oregon and Nike a lot because Nike which wasn’t a football company or a basketball company for a long time, but was at least
sort of in the sports space. I don’t think we would place in the video itself in the sports space. And we know that football has been high, a high tech industry for a while. It’s not like, you know, AI has been in the zeitgeist for a year and a half, two years,
but it has been a very high tech thing since the turn of the century. But there’s obviously a reason why a pair of Nike’s influences your game more than a 50 90 like gaming PC. So how do you kind of approach that element of it to sell that as a story to young
athletes and be like, this is why Oregon State’s association with tech is more important, more impressive, and also in a better position to help you than every other university
that will have, you know, some kind of like tech field as well. Well, think I think I really, I hate using Nike a bunch, I think another thing that was
really big with them was they early on said, we’re going to revolutionize the sneaker wear, right? The shoe is going to be why you perform better. We’re going to make it so unique and different that you will be a better athlete because
of the shoe, right? It evolved when, yeah, it evolved when Jordan came in and all of a sudden it was like,
wait, we can make these things cool as hell. That’s awesome, right? And so I think what you do from a grassroots level is you go to the athlete and you go,
hey, with angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… angi… and you start pitching them on the dream of like, you have a 40 inch vertical, we’ll get
you a 44 inch vertical, right? You’re benching 315, we’ll get you to 345, right? You start doing these things incrementally over time, that starts showing up on the field,
that’s what sells the athletes to come there. And then eventually it just becomes cool. Like culturally you start winning, winning is cool, right? And then you start kind of putting these like… together and then these companies go, wait, this is really cool. I wanna be a part of this. You have a fan base that cares about this. How do we be a part of it? We will give you funding for it, right? And I think where you really need to start is you need to sell the athlete that we can
make you a better athlete with tech. That is just the simplest way to put it. And it’s gonna be just marginal improvements over time, but eventually those will compound
into bigger ones. And you can put so… The amount of data that you can put into these AI models is just so ridiculous that you
can just be like, we’ll take your sleep schedule. We’ll take your eat schedule. We’ll take how long you walk to school, right? How often you’re sitting. Everything you have tracked on this watch, we’ll take that and do that too, right? Like you can take all of these biometrics, put it together and be like, cool, based on
this, this is what you need to do throughout the day. Off season, this is what you need to do. While you’re training, this is what you need to do, right? And those are like very, very basic things. And then eventually you get to the point where if we ever hit artificial general
intelligence, well, you have like your own super coach with you at all times, right? Who’s just constantly monitoring you and telling you what to do. And that’s when it becomes fun and cool for those things. And that’s when you really get that competitive advantage because you would hope at that
point, NVIDIA has looked at you and said, I’m going to make you my think tank. And every cool thing and new thing we do that is above the other thing we put out, you
will get first access to and play around with it. Right. you’re the guinea pig. Just like Oregon was the guinea pig for everything. Yeah, all the flash uniforms, all the cool like Nike tech fits, cool Oregon, you get them
first. Okay, all the cool AI and genetic coding stuff. Yeah, Oregon state, you get it first, right? Like that’s the best way to look at it. And again, it’s not just artificial intelligence. Like I think you can do some, like, you know, his products, our Bitcoin, literally power
Bitcoin at its core, right? His products are everything related to gaming, Everything related to 3D modeling,
rendering, video, all of it. He touches every part of it with this product. So there’s so much in tech outside of AI that you can get, but I think the easiest for
people to grasp initially because it’s the most revolutionary thing since the internet is artificial intelligence. So you would just kind of start there to build that story out and get people in as soon as
possible. But I think there’s also, and we’ve chatted about this a little bit, but like there’s also
those opportunities of, Hey, if you’re already streaming while you’re gaming, like you could easily plug a product that you’re using that was developed by an Oregon State
alumni. Like you can have that relationship. That is true. And I L as you had mentioned earlier, Peter, like, Hey, we have a product. You have an audience. Get your. audience interested in our product and we pay you money to do that. That is what NIL is for is to use your name, image, likeness to advertise and brand and
make money from the popularity essentially that you have. And that, that honestly, it seems like the most lowest hanging fruit to be like, yeah,
Hey, you can go stream playing whatever game you want on this rig that you have in your ear. Bio was like here are the components that you’re using. Here’s the build that you have. You can shout out this. exactly. And I mean, it’s already happening. It’s already happening. And the relationship makes a lot of sense, right? Like, I mean, for Oregon State alone. But the part of that I think is, I think that athletes are doing that. So it feels maybe not as exciting. because they’re like, yeah, but I can get a sponsorship anywhere and shout them out while
I’m streaming. Right? Like I could have the Joe Schmo’s coat shop down the street sponsor me. And as long as I give them a shout out during my stream, they know my audience size. They know my viewership size. So we’re good. But the part that I think that is the cutting edge and like maybe harder for people to
grasp is the AI, even though it is the, the best and biggest frontier that we’ve seen since the internet. But if you go to an athlete and you say, Hey, have you ever gone to ChatGPT and literally
asked it? Here’s my like training. Here’s my weight. Here’s what I’m trying to do. How do I do it? Well, it’s not pulling from your data, right? It’s literally pulling from everything has been trained on and it may have not been
trained on that much data sets around athletes like you specifically. But if you have an AI coach or mentor in a way that is purely trained on you, who you are, where you’re
at, where you want to get, what your needs are, and then how it best thinks it can get you there. Like that kind of stuff is like not just an NIL and branding advantage. It’s actually a competitive advantage that could carry you even beyond college and make
you a better professional athlete. Now here’s where the real money comes in. And this is, think JP, this will be right up your alley because I think you’ll get this. With, with Beaver Street, we’re going to be, be creating these products, right? Like I think the best way to look at it is we’re a startup and we want to come out with
products. Think like Anthropic and Claude right? Or, you know, OpenAI and ChatGPT, right? So what you do is you make a product that is so, so different, so unique, so forward
thinking that other universities go, Hey, we see this as working, can we white label this solution? We’ll pay you a fee, we’ll bring you in, you can, we’ll buy all the hardware for this, you
can train on our data, it’ll be proprietary and so on, right? That money then flows into the lab, into the studio. Well, there’s more marketing money for you to then go out and promote your products with
athletes, right? Like this is literally no different than, again, I hate to say it with Nike and Oregon,
all these schools are like, hey, yeah, we want to use your product, here’s money. fun night goes, cool, thanks. By the way, five star quarterback, here’s your paycheck, right? Like that’s how this is going. And so you eventually turn it into something that’s bigger than just this is Oregon State
specific. It turns into every university, every pro team, every pro athlete can use these kinds of
things, right? And you become the place that this gets birthed from. And I think that that’s, that’s a, it is a really good comparison. And I think, you know, trying to convince Nvidia, for example, if that’s the example that
we’re going to use and saying like, look, there’s this huge untapped market of college football where there’s billions of dollars that are being spent in one way or another in
college football. Use us to be a guinea pig to show the rest of college football. What. a leading a team that’s focused on AI can be and you open yourself up to a huge market,
you know, for massive revenue increases. So I think that’s an angle as well in this whole thing, because I think at the end of the
day, right? Like, I mean, what you’re proposing is fantastic in and of itself. But I think there’s sort of a larger goal of meeting Jensen where Jensen’s at. Exactly. Yeah. these components that if we take the right steps, if you take the right steps, like that,
I think that his attention can be got. And there’s a really compelling argument to be made to him of why investing in Oregon
State and using us as a guinea pig is a good idea. And he obviously is already, I mean, obviously he went to Oregon State, but he’s he is he
has shown that he’s willing to give back to the university. Right, he just gave $50 million. I think, I think another underrated part of that is, I mean, they, are quite literally
making products and saying, please make things with these things. Like that is their whole product of like, Hey, here is the, the brand new open source,
Nemo Tron, you know, reasoning model. Here’s cosmos, which is like image generation model. Here’s Jensen nano, which is a hardware for this. Here is. a 5090 GPU with this mini teraflop second, like he’s literally going on stage and going,
please make things with this, like do whatever you can to make it. And if you don’t do it, he’s not gonna pay attention. on the, on the planet. And I mean, their, their marketing arm is clearly missing. How do we package this as a product for consumers? But most businesses like theirs don’t get started with consumer traction. They get started with, you know, ancillary or professional markets. And that’s where I think this application. could be the most beneficial to them and also mutually beneficial for Oregon State. I, I do want to like, I don’t want to shift the tone on this in a way, but I am curious. I know that you said there was a video that you watched. wanted to talk about Peter, that really would push you over the edge. But what if what that you can speak of if there’s no NDA involved, like what, what, what
can you speak of from being technically on the inside with damnation? you know, following the strict compliance requirements and everything else that’s involved
with, being very strictly aligned with a public university. Like, what did you see on the inside that said to you, we should be doing this here? I’ve been told the XYZ are the reasons we can’t or aren’t, but I can on my own. can. I I think the best way to explain this is, as I pop Siri off, I think the best way to
explain this is Oregon State has a brand to protect. And that’s a good thing, right? They have a great brand. It’s very historic. It’s clean. It’s family friendly. It’s supposed to be that way, right? I think a lot of what can push innovation forward is considered very disruptive. and considered very like, okay, we need to go through legal and lawyers and all these
steps. And if you’re in tech, you know, you just got to ship fast and break things like you like
you can’t you can’t wait around for all that minutiae bullshit to kind of work its way. And so there were moments where I just felt like, hey, I think we can do this. Okay, let’s check back in like seven months. And it was just like, can’t really can’t really wait that long. Like if we’re going to do it, it’s got to be like now, like let’s go ahead and do it. And so like, think, I think when, when, when the transition happened from damnation and
blueprint, which started back in like the spring time when that started like to kind of build up, I just, I just kept going back to like, man, it would be a really good time to
just split off and do my own thing like this. Cause I, cause like, I know what I want to do. I know what the end goal is, but I don’t know how to tell the story. I don’t know how it’s going to resonate. I couldn’t think of it yet. And the video you’re talking about was the Max Brown video on YouTube, where it literally
just said, this small town could dominate college football. And it was a photo of Jensen Huang standing in front of Oregon State. And in the video, he just was like, he can make recruiting Totally favorite Oregon state every single last day of the day. And I was like, okay, like it’s clicking now. Everything that’s been like detrimental to us, we can just flip completely. Like everything can be flipped and all we have to use is his products, right? They’re right there for the taking. They’re all open source or they’re easily available to purchase. And so I knew at that moment, there was no way I could go to anybody in Damnation or anybody at Oregon State and say, I
want to pivot to this direction. Because they would have been like, And that’s totally fair. Because to them, that is a very sacred thing. That is a membership model. That is a very stable thing. And that’s great, right? The reason why I’m not asking for anybody’s money and won’t really ask for anybody’s money
outside of like, hey, here’s like, I don’t know, like a chat bot that you get the page is because server costs, right? is because I don’t want to deal with like, if I shit fast and break things and you get
upset about it, then like I’m financially in debt to you, right? Like that’s what I’m worried about the most. And so for me, I found that the best way to do that was to kind of split off, do my own
thing and figure this out. And I just, I think the best way to look at this is I’m not competing with damnation. Like I think some people might think that’s the case. It’s not. think if you can support them financially, do it. That’s fantastic. I believe we need to be a compliment on top of it that says, yeah, you go follow the
compliance. That’s great. I’m going to just break things over here. And if one hits, then we can figure out how to work together. But if 20 missed, then you don’t have to worry about it. It’s not your thing, right? Like you don’t get the negative to this. You don’t have to worry about it. I do. And that’s totally fine. So I think that’s where it was really crucial for me to not make this anything that was
preferred or partnered with Oregon State or Damnation at all, because I just wanna move and I just wanna be like, I’m gonna wake up today, I’m gonna build a Python script that’s
gonna do this, and if it works, that’s great, if it doesn’t, we’ll move on then, right? And so that’s kind of the nature of all that. But the video from Max Brown really like… took me to be like, all right, no, this is exactly what I’m trying to think here. And he put this in a way that makes the most sense. I saw that same video and yeah, that’s it was a good one. Why hasn’t Oregon State been able to engage Jensen Wong on the athletic front thus yet? I don’t know specifics as to why, but my inclination is it just hasn’t really been a
thing, if that makes sense. I think his… it? To be safe. If you were to ask me, I would say yes. I would just assume so, yes, because I think his academic contributions are so crucial
that I think that triumphs everything, right? Which is totally fair. I think that’s a great thing to have and his contributions to the university are
incredible. But I do feel like there is this sense of they’re walking on eggshells and it’s like,
okay, we have to be really careful with how we approach this. And I think that’s fair. Right? Like I don’t think you want to bite the hand that can ultimately give you the entire
spread. Right. But I do think there is there does need to be a little bit more of an urgency where it’s
like we’re slowly walking off the dock and I almost just kind of want to push you into the water and be like is it cold? Great. Cool. It won’t be cold for much longer. Right. Like that’s that’s kind of the mentality I want to do. But I know that the more official entities just just they just can’t take that approach. Yeah. think Oregon State’s in a unique… go ahead, Terry. I was just going to ask too, because I know, and this is from someone who isn’t nearly as
much a part of this world, but yeah, there’s that great connection with Johnson Wong. But in terms of shitting or getting off the pot, like there’s nothing stopping any other
university from developing its own strategy and approaching a company like Nvidia or any other company that is, is big in this space and being like, here’s how we can. You know, Mary, what you’re already doing with like our football agenda in this way. And just because Jensen cares about Oregon State and guys degree there doesn’t mean he’s
he doesn’t have an exclusive deal with Oregon State football. There easily could be another program that’s like, hey, let’s like. Yeah. Stanford could do it, right? Cause he has a tie to Stanford in some way, but like if you make it fun, dude, like, like,
yeah, like I was telling this pre show, but man, this guy wears the same leather jacket every time on stage, man. He was signing titties on stage, dude. He like holds big ass GPUs and like bites at like, he’s a dude. Like, like he gets it right. And like he wants to be a part of something that’s fun. This is not like an obligation to him to donate, right? Like he wants it to be fun. So I think if you make things that are fun and engaging, that is where you not only get
him to contribute, but him for like actively engage in it and be like, yo, this is really cool. By the way, like when I’m presenting each year, I’m going to highlight this and like
showcase this and I’ll be in Corvallis all the time to talk about this and like. That’s how you kind of progress this entire think tank forward. And eventually word will get out that the richest company on the planet is a part of
Oregon State. And I think student athletes see that and go, hey, you got money? Like, how can I be a part of this? And they’ll reach out immediately. that’s just the nature of it now. On the simplest terms, yeah, think when there’s money involved and maybe you’re not as
aware about what kind of affiliation it is, you just know that it’s there when you’re 17, 18 years old, 19 years old, you’re going to be drawn to that, especially if wins are
following with the money. I would say just as a last point, I could see why Oregon State has been slow playing it. besides the fact that he has been donating a decent amount already to academics is that
he’s come into a lot of this money very recently in the grand scheme of things. And you don’t want to look like a mooch. You don’t want to go up and just say, hey, now you got all these bills, let’s go. Let’s see what you can do with them for us, know, benefit me. And that’s actually why, Peter, I think that your approach about building a public, drawing attention, connecting those dots, letting them draw their own
conclusions as to why this is cool. This is fun. This is valuable. This is worth my time. Energy investment is the right, the right slow approach. It isn’t just waiting until you feel like he’s ready to talk about, hey, I’ve got excess
money and I’ve been just sitting on it and want to get rid of it. How can I help? I think you need to make him excited and interested. And by connecting the dots of athletes as end users, athletes, as people who are
benefiting from the technology is the really a forefront of NIL. And also we’ve got the best guinea pig company to test it on. So just want to say, Peter, thanks for jumping on. I we’ve had you on for a little longer than, than you had anticipated, but We love having you on. I think, I personally think this is like maybe one of the most exciting and like coolest,
new waves of college football that I have felt in a very long time and not even college football, college athletics in general, because yeah, it felt like NIL came out cool. This is a great idea. Athletes should benefit from their brand that they’re building. it quickly, quickly steered into this pay for play model that benefited literally nobody, not
the brands, not the athletes, didn’t set them up for anything. And if anything, like it just, you know, helped out the people who are super donors who
wanted to see their team successful, not fans. This could benefit students and fans and alumni alike. And so I appreciate you taking on this effort. and going full bore on it because yeah, hey, why not shoot our shot? Yeah, go B’s man. mean, like I’m doing it because I don’t think anyone else is going to right now. And I think now is the best time to do it, man. Like this, this conference realignment has given us a very natural way to reset how this
program looks going forward. I think the NIL has given us a great opportunity to provide what we need to provide. And then I think the alumni have given us the blueprint of how we shape this damn thing. And I just think eventually someone needs to architect it together to be like, this is
what it’s going to be like going forward. And if you hit, I think that’s when everything comes together and all of a sudden you’re
the leader. Yep. As if PM standard for project manager. Oh, there you go. project manager. Boom. Right there. Yeah, there it is. we’re going to kick you off the podcast now PM. So you can get back to work. not, not, not, not, not sleep or anything. but thank you. Thank you for joining, man. That’s where, where can people find Beaver street? interest you. I just want to interest you in this. feel like you guys would like it. It’s a little Gary Payton, little boo boo. So there you go. Yes, I was waiting to show that I’ll show, but I feel like you guys would like this. So. you custom print those when you ordered what? I love it. That’s awesome. yeah, go oh ahead. where can they find it and support if they want to slash have the means to? Yes, so any social media, yes that includes Belligerent Sky, I’m sorry to piss people off,
but that is it’s BBRSTCO. I need to get an arm red note too. Any social media is BBRSTCO, so that’s kind of the abbreviated. And then on online it’s BBRSTCO.com. And all that I ask man is just sign up for the newsletter or… Just follow on social medias. No money, no nothing. I’m not harvesting your data. I just want to find the best way to let you guys know when the cool shit comes out. That’s all. STCO for BVR ST Co. JP, go ahead. I can vouch. I can vouch. I send it for the newsletter. Not one spam, not even one email yet. Other than a welcome. Yeah, I’ll send you a welcome one just to let you know that like you got something. But after that, yeah, you’re not going to hear anything until I announce stuff. So, yeah. once asked who’s down with Hollywood Co. Today, belligerent bees ask who’s down with BVR ST Co. P.M. Peter, thank you so much for joining us tonight. He wasn’t fired by damnation listeners. Go follow and support BVR ST Co. Wherever you can. And we will catch up with you soon. Again, my dude, for sure. This conversation is not over. And thank you for all of the time, the insight and just breath like you. You gave a lot of talking points there. And we really appreciate it. yeah. I’m excited about it, man. Thanks, guys. dude. Thanks, man. Thanks for jumping on, Peter. Yep. Well, I’m excited now. I was excited before, because I knew some of that, but I’m really excited now. It just seems like such a perfect match, right? Like it seems like it’s something that is, it so clearly makes sense. Yeah, I think. I think equating it to the idea that athletes were drawn to a athletic apparel brand
because it could improve performance, and that was the premise that the company was built on and then continued to push in its own branding and marketing. Is that was the easy lever to connect like, yeah, athletes like that, and then they got
it. not only improve performance, but improve status and improve preparation and every part of
lifestyle. Yeah, I mean, they made it. They made it a lifestyle company. But like people are more savvy now. Kids are more savvy now. They don’t really trust brands and they love and embrace technology. They want technology to make their lives more enjoyable, easier and successful. I mean, they’ll like we are on that middle ground of like, yeah, a brand doesn’t really
matter as much to me. I’m just going to go buy this t-shirt. Right? Like we’re at that cusp, but we’re the, generation is the tipping point. us chop them on it, then it’s dope as fuck. That’s not the brand that’s. from from the top brands on print on demand. But I think one thing that sort of grabbed me is Peter had mentioned like, we’re gonna
make tech cool. And I got what he was saying, but I think at the same time, like tech already is cool
because you did have kids that were, you know, lining up in the street to buy the newest Jordan, but you also had kids lining up in, but you also had kids lining up in the street
to buy the new Xbox, right? And granted, Xbox isn’t exactly what we’d be doing here, but. technological innovation and having it be like solely for you, that is enticing. Like that’s really enticing. savvy of the three of us by by kind of a lot and I know I won’t get any argument there but
just like tech and like Jordans like like tech is so broad it’s it’s much like like Jordans are like shoes and sure and they were part of like the you know the sneaker world
that already existed and was kind of like a sleeping giant waiting to explode but making it digestible and in framing it in ways that, especially for student athletes of like, how is this going to
help you get to where you want to go? Because that is what every college recruiting conversation is ultimately about. Like this isn’t your final stop and this is how it’s going to help you grow, help you get
better and help get you here. And in a way that sets you apart from the same tired fucking story that they’re hearing
from a billion other institutions. So finding a way to grasp that and frame it in a way that places it directly in, you know,
Oregon State football or insert whatever other sport here is, I think the critical juncture for it and something that I think a lot of universities are reaching for right
now, but don’t necessarily obviously don’t have the same connection and don’t have the same type of ceiling with the connections that currently exist for Oregon State. Yeah, but also you have to think about there was that rush 10 years ago, 15 years ago of
every, every school signing like an exclusive, like merchandise and apparel and sports uniform and apparel contracts with one of the big three, right? It was Nike, Adidas or Under Armour. You mean like when Nebraska and UCLA signed up with Adidas like that timeframe? got their little Laffy Taffy uniforms that would be a smaller than my two year olds
t-shirt. And it would somehow fit a 380 pound Lyman and still look really weird on them while they
wore them. Okay. So my point is no one is breaking into that market period. So you’re, you have one, you have one crutch to lean on. If you want, if no one’s breaking into that market in a sense of the head start that Nike has on everybody else. And it’s clear when the next two biggest competitors could not do it. So if you’re Oregon State and you’re a Nike school, is that your crutch or is that your
concession? Because I feel like right now it’s our crutch and it could very well, very easily be our
concession. Fine. You have the best sports apparel. Cool, well we have the best force technology. So we have the upper hand. And that’s coming in one way or another. And whether we are there to be the leaders or not, it depends on grassroots efforts like
this that PM’s doing. And we are in such a prime spot to be and it’s, you know, we talked, we talked, we talked
a lot about, we talked a lot about meeting Jensen where he’s at. And I, I think that that’s probably one of the reasons why it’s sort of been silent on the
front of Jensen even being interested in Oregon State athletics is because I can only imagine, from what PM said and sort of what we’ve heard about the Oregon State Athletic Department
is that they’re not pitching Jensen on this idea that Peter has. They’re trying to get a 62 year old man. Who’s never been interested in football or basketball or baseball or whatever interested,
and that’s not going to happen like when you’re 62 years old, you don’t just fall in love with a sport that doesn’t happen. And so. And we are a golf school. Tree, baby. Tristan Tree. US Open to Tristan Tree, baby. US Open to Tristan Tree. you’re trying to fit a square peg into a round hole Yo, yeah, that’s the best. yeah, I think it’s more that that’s true. I think it’s more being patient because they are getting a shitload from him for various
academic pursuits. And they’re like, don’t piss him up. Yeah. Especially like what JP mentioned, like it’s relatively new money. And they care. There’s a lot of people at Oregon State. who don’t care about Oregon State football, and are getting money for a variety of things. I don’t think that’s President Murphy. Obviously, it’s not Scott Barnes. And Murphy has, you know, publicly said, I’m going to try to make him a football fan. And that’s obviously tough for the reasons you outlined, Benny. But they don’t want like they don’t want to bite the hand that’s feeding them in other
areas right now. And, yeah, so can to have something like this. the Max Brown video? I feel like that’s all it’s gonna take. not to diminish what we have. Yeah, I’ve seen it. It’s made too much, it’s easy. He could do it if he wanted to. Just show it to him. he doesn’t want to yet. That is the point. He doesn’t want to yet. I think the hardest part for people to grasp is that somebody that has millions of excess
funds doesn’t want to just give them away to something they don’t care about. And I think all of us could think… Yeah, and I think all of us could think… Yeah, if I had excess money, here’s what I would do with it. And somewhere on that list on a short list would be to donate to Oregon State Athletics
because we care about it without money. So imagine having billions. You would not like change and be like, now I care about academics and I’m going to donate
more to them. So why would you why would he be the inverse? Right? You have to you have to prove to him why those can why those bridges exist. like and that they do exist, that technology could transform not just everyone’s lives,
but sports as we know them. Like point blank. It could literally turn the sports world upside down. And if he wants to be the forefront of that, now I doubt it. Eventually, once he’s felt like he’s conquered everything else, probably. If we’re already proving we’re trying to use what he is built to do so. And not only you, so that was one thing, that was my last question that I had for PM is
what his thoughts were on involving the research center that Jensen is helping to fund. Because then if you’re showing an ROI on that and saying, hey, look, we’re using your
products, we’re using the resources that you helped give us. for him, but after talking to him, if I’m recalling it correctly, it was to make sure that
it was known that these things were being developed with students that were, you know, learning and using his products from his contribution. At least once it’s, once it’s all, you know, said and done with the bill. like, in the meantime, Hey, the, why not just buy his product? and say, I’m using your cool new product and we’re going to do something fun with it. And he like, he’s already gotten engagement. He’s already got acknowledgement. It might be a social media intern. So what it’s, it’s on the company record. It’s there. They acknowledged it. First step. That’s all you need. Yep. Yep. And we do, like you said, we needed somebody like PM to take this on because the
university for obvious reasons wasn’t going to. And I think PM laid that out pretty clearly. and I think probably rightfully so. so it, I’m not saying what PM is doing is for sure going to work, but if something was
going to work, it would take somebody like PM to get it off the ground and running. Yeah. Yeah. Yep, 100%. without the red tape. Yeah. Nice. there going back to the game, was there anything else that you guys wanted to discuss
about the game or did we did we get our vents out? thought I was, I wanted to move into positives a little. I thought Jaleel Tucker looked good in the secondary. I thought Trey Glasper in the secondary settled in after getting torched early. even sell them pretty well honestly like looked a lot better after those first two drives, even though we were just kind of buried
after that. I was harsh on the past rush earlier. And until you get a fucking sack, I will continue to be harsh. But there was more pressure. They didn’t get home. I just, I don’t know. I think. I think we’re in for, you know, I’ve been doing a Game of Thrones re-watch this summer. And I think we’re staring down the long night right now to borrow some terminology. I don’t think it’s going to be good. I think, you know, it’s a long season and everyone’s kind of, it’s kind of crazy right now
because, you wait, I don’t want you leave that topic because I have a question. And I’ll let you start, It’s question for both of you. If we’re staring down a long season or a long night. Quick answer, one word or two words, what fixes it? Money. This season. think that’s part of it. This season. Yeah. What fixes it? nothing. I would agree with Terry. This season, nothing. Long term. what fixes it this season fixes it this season in terms of the way we’re defining fixing
it, which is win nine games. Then. Nothing. But. They could be better. I don’t I no longer believe it, but it’s possible. I think that so I would agree with Terry this season. It would be nothing. But I think that to your point, Terry, we’re staring down the dark night. I think we were jaded and probably still are to a certain extent of the, you know, season
was at twenty nineteen. When we started to turn to 2018, I think is when we started to turn things around a little
bit. 2019 was a little bit better. 20 was sucked. yeah, but. see it. Yeah. Right. And so you could see this buildup, this buildup, this buildup. And then obviously we all know what happened, but it’s like, we’re waiting for that
rebound to come back up. And after last weekend, I sort of had this thought of like, we have this almost a built-in
inevitability that we are going to bounce back up and get to where we are at before, even if it’s not on as big of a stage. But we’re going to have those, you know, nine win, 10 win seasons like we saw in what,
2023, right? Yeah. But that’s not an inevitability. And I don’t think that that’s what I don’t think that that’s what we’re going to see at
this point. And I and I honestly, JP, you brought this up. And I think it’s worth noting that Trent Bray had said in when a question was asked of
something about Do you see yourself as a CEO? Yeah, right? And he said, I’m not a CEO. I’m not that type of guy. you had, right, and you had mentioned like that was alarming. And I 100 % agree with you. Like that is your job. You’re not the defensive coordinator anymore. You’re not a positions coach anymore. You are the CEO of a company. Like that’s how you have to view yourself. And your job is to is to people manage, not player manage. And I don’t think he understands that at this point. about that as a chief concern in the days after Smith left and they hired Bray and we were
all fully on board with that hire. And I’m not going to try and like walk that back. I would love to see something to be reaffirmed, but that was kind of the. They do. Yeah. That we hired Bray. That was JP. yeah, yeah, yeah, I do remember, yeah. was first on it. Man, we don’t need it. We don’t need it. ah But yeah, it’s… Yeah, well, and… Yeah, that’s what you wondered because he had very little experience being a coordinator. It had been that long and I think part of it What? Yeah is he ready? I hope so. I still yeah, it’s like there’s no way to know that until years later. So I’m not, I’m not at the point where it’s like, what the fuck were we thinking? I don’t think either of you are saying that. Yeah, it’s just like, fuck, this isn’t working. And there was like, it was magical when Bray replaced Tibisar in the middle of the 2021
season, how much better that defense was immediately. And the fact that like, But too little too late in a way. late in a way, then like last year it was just like, I’ve never been more embarrassed by
an Oregon State game than what we showed at Air Force. Never, never. And like, it’s not, it’s not, it’s not even Sac State. And it’s not because he doesn’t care. Like he doesn’t give a shit. Like that’s not the issue. It’s just not connecting and they clearly, clearly weren’t prepared. And like, let’s. like again, like I don’t want to just be the give credit to Cal. It’s not that bad. I’d like to do both here. Like Wilcox is in his ninth year at the same program. He’s been the coach at Cal for nine years. He’s a good coach. And you even though the schedule soft you run into good coaches like that happens. It’s not the worst thing in the world for Bray to get out coached by Justin Wilcox. But it was like, it wasn’t it was. Yeah, and it wasn’t just the finish line. And it was like, unacceptable hiccups. Like it wasn’t just like the had had it been like a closer game. And Kiawe Sangapulitele was just balling which he was and that was kind of the story of
the game. But it’s just like, all right, fuck, we got beat. Damn it. Like this. And that was some of the games last year too. Like guys make plays. It’s college football. Everyone at this level can make plays and is good to an extent. but it just, it felt like we weren’t, we didn’t even arrive at the game until it was kind
of already over and things were being thrown up just to see like if shit could stick and nothing really stuck. I will say we never arrived. We never arrived on offense and not the players. The line we have talked about it. We assumed there would be some regression. We lost some players, the NFL. We lost our offensive line coach. We brought back a familiar face, but we’ve got guys playing out of position. We’ve got guys who are first time starters. I get it. But, I would say that the majority of the players execution when the ball was in their
hands or supposed the play was called for them to be in a position to succeed did fairly well. wasn’t the whole lot of mental mistakes or hiccups on a player side, but it, in all
honesty, it felt like We didn’t even know what the score was or how much time was left in the game with our play
calling. It. we punted the ball when we were down by two scores with like eight, seven or eight minutes
left. it was like five minutes. And we only had two timeouts, because we had to burn a timeout on that stupid two point
when Maalik got hurt on the run when he ran to the ref, and we weren’t organized, so we burned a timeout. And then we punted like with the clock running with like, yeah, you’re not gonna win, but
fuck you could, it’s not exactly over who down 19 with six minutes left in the fourth quarter. It just, It didn’t make sense. was just all whack. It was all whack. It was a whack everywhere. I have to, again, I’m going to reiterate. I think the defense adjusted, whether that was the players in the personnel or it was the
scheme and play calling. It could be both. Nothing else adjusted. Nothing else even changed course at all. was a really frustrating game to watch. When it was like second and eight with the clock rolling midway through the third and
we’re throwing two yard outs and we’ve got a guy who’s known for his deep arm. I know we don’t have a lot of deep threats right now on the wide receiver front, but what
are you scheming up? What are you scheming up? they you know it’s it’s some someone besides Trent needs to emerge here and there needs to
be some creativity. issue. It’s the same issue. Yeah, it’s creativity because the same issue of, hey, we maybe don’t have the deepest wide
receiver room or we have a young wide receiver room, but we’ve got some pretty reliable tight ends. And we waited more than half a season to see them complete a pass to a tight end. Like, and I don’t think that that is a quarterback problem. Watching how that game went, knowing that the caliber of quarterback that we have under center. It is not a quarterback problem getting the ball to the right people. It is a scheme and play calling problem period. And that is honestly where I started to feel like, does anyone give a shit about this
game? Really? Like not players wise, coaches wise. it didn’t feel like then you could see, I like a PM shared this at least at least on blue
sky. And no PM was like, don’t want to piss anyone off on blue sky. Belligerent sky is basically all I’m on these days. But even blue sky saw that clip of Maalik Murphy, like freaking the fuck out like late in
the third quarter being like, let’s get it fucking going. I would love, you know, speaking of the tight ends, like, there is multiple plays. One play to Caulfield resulted in a fumble. Another one was one of the picks. So I don’t think it’s just all Price Caulfield’s fault. But we’ve got some young, talented tight ends. I would love to see Riley Williams worked into the game. He was on the field a bit. this is like, especially at this point where you get hit on the mouth that hard. every college football recruiting nerd around the country, the people who like, like truly
love college football and don’t give a shit. And they they’re they’re the ones watching all 22 of every program everywhere. People are really excited about t Andre Waverly. He’s like one of the most talented freshmen, freshmen in the country at the tight end
possession position. And I don’t want to just like try and use a red shirt on them and bank on like the fact
he’s going to be here for sure next year. I would love You can’t do that anymore. Waverly in the offense like right away like the dude is enormous like a true athletic
specimen and one of the true like blue chip recruit like it wasn’t just like this is a two star who’s raw and is athletic like he was a fucking forcer he could have gone anywhere he
wanted to and he came to Oregon State they they sold him something and just because he wasn’t utilized in right Here’s the three receptions are Tidehen Tide last year. the two times we threw to Jermaine Terry the second because there’s the two in his name. So we threw him two passes. I would love to see Waverly like, like find a wild card, find something, get some spice
out there, just mix it up. It’s not a quarterback problem though. It’s not even a blocking or scheming problem. It is a play calling problem to not get your tight end the ball. Period. Over four different quarterbacks in two different seasons. I think that, so there are two things that stick out to me as major issues or I guess
major red flags as to why this coaching staff is in over its head. Number one is the two position groups that we struggled at the most last year, offensive
line and defensive line, do not seem to have gotten better. important in American football? heard, I’m no football coach, but I have heard that. They did not address those two position groups. We knew we were losing Joshua Gray, right? And we did not address those two position groups. And the other one, like Terry, like you. what you could get. mean… Yeah, but I mean, I guess that to a certain extent, but the transfer portal is open and
there were better options than what we got. I’m not saying that we had access to all of them. line pisses me off more than the offensive line, because the offensive line lost to kind
of like really good players in gray and licked in hand. And then also we lost to van late had to replace him with Cavanaugh. The fact that I think you can scheme your front seven and pass rush a little bit more than your offensive line. Like if your offensive line sucks, your offensive line sucks. And I’m not sure this offensive line sucks. A lot of these guys are highly touted. These guys have stars next to their names. And a lot of a lot of them have been learning behind Joshua Gray and better fucking play
like it soon. But the fact that we just had a whole season of being the worst pass rush in the country. And it’s like you can’t find a way to move guys around or like find a different blitz that works, line people up differently,
like move some of the outside guys inside and the inside guys outside, do fucking something other than just accept not being able to hurry the quarterback, because that’s
what it feels like. So I’m with you on all the offensive line stuff, but just like the defensive line feels
more unacceptable to me, especially with a defensive minded head coach. Right, so okay, so there are those, that’s one thing. The other is what you alluded to, Terry. It took three quarters for our brand new transfer quarterback to go the fuck off on one of
our offensive assistants. That to me shows that there is very little faith in the coaches. Like, That doesn’t happen often in college football for a player to go off on a coach in the way
that Maalik Murphy did. And I think he had all the right to. I mean, the schematics were awful. Yeah, Bill Belichick might be open, available. Other than the NIL funds. What was he promised? Yeah. So where, like, you think that Maalik Murphy is like an idiot? Like, do we think that his agent’s an idiot or his family’s a full of idiots? No. So like, something was sold to him and it made enough sense and was packaged well enough
to resonate and then it’s not being delivered. Yeah, Gundy had a really good relationship with him when he tried to recruit him to UCLA. So I think that’s part of it. But he had to sell him on something other than it’s me. Yeah. remember me? Do you remember me? I mean like, I did that to bouncers at Peacock over and over again. Didn’t work. like Gundy for sure has watched every snap of Maalik Murphy last season at Duke, slinging
the ball pretty fucking well, more times than any of, I hope so. wants to go back and write them down and maybe add them to the playbook or maybe. From all, everything I’ve heard is that the playbook is very unique and that the playbook
is very robust. But I felt like we ran the same seven plays over and over and over again. I mean, I didn’t have the privilege of watching it on TV to really see the breakdown of
each play, but it did feel like it. Yeah. Will you play, dear players? Are you? where are the plays? Where are the plays? Why are we not calling them? Why are we playing it safe? you coach your players strengths. And I forget which one of you guys mentioned it, but right, but we weren’t, we weren’t
playing tempo. We weren’t trying to get our receivers down the field so Maalik could show off his strong
arm. And we were sort of playing to him running a lot, which he looked comfortable doing, but
it didn’t seem like that, that is his strength. we can’t send downfield if the line isn’t able to give him enough time and they gave him
decent time. give it a look that they’re going downfield and then let Hank like curl up in the middle
of the field or by the sideline and just hit him as a check down. Like I don’t care. But there was no there was no dynamicism or originality in the play calling period. Period. not that this is a competition, but I felt the team failed Hank more than it failed any
other individual out there because there’s all these like, there’s like these misdirections where like, you know, like, Hank’s got burst, but he’s he’s not weighing a
100 meter dash, like lined up next to some of college football’s fastest running backs. Like he is a tough motherfucker. He’s very smart, has great vision and you can’t bring him down easily once he gets ahead of steam. So if you were insisting on going under center and going huddle between everything, why is
he getting the ball with slow developing misdirections, like acres behind the line of scrimmage when it’s just like, quickest route between point A and point B is a straight
fucking line. Like get Hank on his horse behind Van Wells, one of your few experienced offensive
linemen. And if they read it right, it’s a gain of one, or a gain of two, or it’s a no gain. We had so many just negative ass plays where we’re looking at second and 15, they showed
it at one point in the game where like our average second down was like second and 11. That is crazy. It’s insane to have that be your average second down start when you have a running back as
talented Anthony Hankerson, who can at least minimize risk to a degree and at least get you to like second and sevens. and we were never taking those second and sevens and it seemed like we weren’t even
trying. I don’t know. and we seem to lack having any sort of electric play. Like that was one thing that I noticed, like there were no, yeah, there were no electric
plays at all. Yeah, yeah, there is nothing. I got this from Right for California. They did a like Know Your Enemy 2025 post and there’s Jesse Miller Gordon was the author
of this. It’s from August 30th. And The quote was the OC Ryan Gunderson in his second season as an OC hasn’t proven anything
yet. The team is going to lose a game or two that they could have and probably should have won
because of the inexperience in a lot of key places. And I think the inexperience through, I don’t know if I’m saying that Gunderson isn’t,
isn’t capable of being a good offensive coordinator, but when he doesn’t know his pieces well enough, We clearly suffer as a team. He did the same thing last year with McCoy where he’s trying to have McCoy throw across
the field and McCoy didn’t have a strong arm. um And I’m the biggest Gundy like champion. And I think it was obvious that he was out of his element. And like, I also think that there’s, you know, an element of Monday morning quarterback
where, you know, we’re not, we’re not football coaches, but I don’t, I can’t think of an explanation that would explain some of the coaching decisions and some of the strategy that we saw. Like it just seems so blatant to me. Well, and you can go look at like Murphy’s explosion on the sideline. That’s a quick example. And this is where I don’t know either. And I’ll admit it, but like he blows up on the sideline and clearly he wants the offense
to move better. Right. And is it a play calling? Is it a personnel thing? Is it a combo of both? I lean towards the ladder of those three that made him upset as to Like you could say, well, he didn’t even really try to throw out on field. Like he didn’t seem to even look like he was trying to throw in the field and whatever,
like the pocket started to collapse. He got happy feet and ran away, but Is that on him? I don’t think it’s on Murphy. I don’t really think it’s on the receivers. I don’t think we have a deep threat that can stretch the field that will get the defense
on its heels and then start to wonder who is in my cover zone and start to move around and let a guy get open. But I do think there’s somebody again on the staff that has known for a couple of weeks
who their personnel is and they did not tailor the game plan to what they could excel at. And that I think will be the anchor of this season. I hate to say it, I want it to work. I really truly think that Gunderson, I’ll name him, is the anchor for this team’s ceiling
this season. And if he doesn’t change course, because again, I’m not saying he’s not capable of it. But if he doesn’t just stop standing along the sidelines with his hand in his pockets,
like I’m just here to observe like and start to have some sort of confidence and swagger in his play calling and trust in his personnel. This is going to be a very long season and it’s going to be a lot of money wasted and
money from fans. That brought in Maalik Murphy and if that is the case. He is not going to make it through one more off season. Yeah, I agree. I am really worried what the future outlook of the season is. again, like we talked about at the beginning, but this game against Fresno State, there’s
no beating around the bush. If there’s a must win in week two, this is it. this the most important week two game? Right. Because it’s the next one. last week was the most important game of the season and you fucked it up week. Last week is gone. This is the biggest game of the most important game of the season. I like to use a positive, like remember, like, so 2008 was the year we beat, we beat USC
when, when they were number one. And we started that season with a loss at Stanford and then a loss at Penn State. And then they came back and they played Hawaii at Reeser. And it was like, if you lose this game, this season is over. And the Beavs ended up winning that game 45 to seven and a week later beat USC and kind of
all was forgotten. If there is a similar type of 45 seven win against this Fresno State team, a program that
we all respect, but we can all say is. down a little bit from what we’ve seen in like the most recent years. And Fresno State on the road is not the same as Fresno State at home. Devante Adams is not walking through that door. David Carr is not walking through that door. You gotta win this one and you gotta win it by a lot for people to place reasonable faith
in you for the rest of this season. And you can’t win by brute force. You have to win by showcasing showcasing your playbook. Like honestly. Yeah. Yeah, obviously clean up special teams. And I think that again, I think the defense showed more heart and a little bit more
structure in the second half. And I, I feel like that could carry over. I hope so. teams needs cleanup, offense needs to show some balls, period. needs to listen to lemonade and pray about it. As a great preacher once said, ah thank you. Man, I think we just negotiated every part of this game that that we could have. And we, got predictions? Yeah, what were the predictions and are we sticking with them? Bet or bail? Is that what it was called? Yeah. last year’s predictions. Where did I put… What? You have them right next to you? Last year’s… predictions are right here. Where the fuck did I put the other ones? shit. We might need to do that. No, we can’t do it another time. don’t have another. picked winning, but where did I? I think I picked a… Actually, I don’t think I picked a close one. picked them losing this game. I can guarantee you that. Wow, this is so embarrassing. I felt like Gunnarsson trying to pick a play. No. Hahaha! Terry 31 14 win Terry do you bet or bail? I don’t know. Well, you have to know. I don’t know you have to Bet 30 17 point win or more. I’m betting on it Sorry, 12 men on the field or one with the same number. There there there were 12 there were 12 men on the field and they’re all wearing number 12
Negative negative 12 points. They still win by 5. Ok beavers by 5 or by 17 plus I don’t know JP you picked a 28 to 17 beaver victory bet or
bail I’m going to bail, but I’m going to say, uh, 21 20. Bees. I was gonna say, I think it is gonna be close. 20 will never be more mad about a beeper way than if you beat Fresno State by 1.3 Benny
I’m yeah, I wish I could take that um I just I texted a friend a really long message about how we’re going to be awful this season like four hours ago and here I am like, no, I
think we’re gonna win by three scores. I hate myself. really, I need to get back to therapy so bad. Benny, original, your original, no I’m not. Your original prediction was 17-7. Benjamin, Lauren, Sebastian, hate you. Are you betting or bailing? Does the B in your name stand for better bail? I’ll uh I’ll I’ll bail on that I’m gonna I’m gonna say 28 24 I Think it will be I’ll think
it I think it will be closer and I think it’ll be more high scoring three or four touchdowns? Or do you think we’re going to get two field goals and we will successfully convert a two
point conversion? think we’re gonna get, I think we’re, no, we’re not gonna get, we’re gonna get 14 safeties
before we successfully converted two point conversion. But they’ll all be Dan Arlovski level safeties where the quarterback just runs out of the
end zone by accident. No, we’ll score four touchdowns. We’ll convert two of the four two-point conversions. all four of the touchdowns on offense? all our vehicles. Yes, all four of the the touchdowns are on offense I think I Three I think so I think that
Three will be in the passing and one will be in the rut running But I think it’s gonna be Maalik Murphy and not Anthony Hankerson I do not trust that Anthony Hankerson can get
stats packed and tell the offensive line shows me otherwise How disappointing will the crowd be? I think it will be better than last week. I think Labor Day and I do think it’ll be better than last week. the way they played last week. fucking hope so. This last week was like the most depressed I’ve ever seen Reeser Stadium. It was really bad. kick. I can see it. It’s gonna be a nice weekend. Hope so. All right. Well, let us know what your predictions are, Beaver Fam. Or don’t, if you don’t want to engage in toxically negative behavior, you do you. If you hate yourself, engage with this more. Well, anyway, with that in mind, I’m going to talk about not being able to spell chop them
without hope and shit because you can’t. All the letters are there. That’s all it is. It’s not a metaphor. Like Ross wants it. It’s not a metaphor. It’s just, Moby Dick’s not a metaphor. It’s just a man who wants to kill a shitty animal. And that’s how I feel about this fucking football. This has been episode 186 of the belligerent bees podcast. Thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you again to PM Digital Dam BVR ST Co for joining us tonight. My name is Terry horseman. can follow me at Terry horseman across a lot of social media channels and at Terrence
Holstman on instagram.com. Join as I always am by my beautiful beloved best friends from college, Benjamin Lawrence,
Sebastian Wehage, AKA Benny with the good guaff, AKA Benny ball game, AKA Benny Bedlam, because he’s fucking crazy folks, AKA Benny burner, AKA Benny blast off. You can follow him at Benny L 1986. on all your social media channels. Spell it with an E or an I. As in the number of rushing yards Oregon State will get this Saturday Also join the man
the ones that dudes Keep no matter what the bees do keeping our ships here in the right direction the JP Bertram That’s at the Trill J on Twitter. That’s at the underscore true underscore J because he’s too true to be real and at JP
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needs for the rest of this football season. The team might suck, but our drip does not. Hit up beligerentbeavs.com slash merch today. And no matter what they do, no matter what they say, no matter what they take away, no
matter how many two point conversions, We fuck up no matter how many players are on the field after a 3-0 wearing the same number
and we fuck it up. They still cannot, categorically cannot spell chop em without hope. So chop em. Chop em. Chop em I guess, baby. Just beat the Bulldogs.
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You guys hyped up “Night game at Reser” like it was some intimidating thing to start with and then proceeded to have a half-empty lifeless crowd at a tiny stadium. Cal will have more fans against Texas Southern this weekend. At least find something else to make fun of Cal for. That’s embarrassing.
Hey guys! Great cast!! I'm glad the proper responses are showing. I'm tired of other (unnamed broadcasters), being such homers that they don't see/ want to see that there are horrific issues with this team!
First…. Cal is a very good football team! They had a great plan coming in and executed it to near perfection!!
Now the difficult reality:
First, the number snafu is on the coaches. They should know every detail of their group. EX: SP Teams, needs to adjust for the double numbers. They should also have guys sprinting, not running off the field, period! Change the frickin' numbers or change the players. You also cannot tell me that T Walker is our best returner we have anyway! If so, we have monumental problems!
Defense first. The defense actually was worse than people actually think (especially in the first half). The first TD for Cal was very very preventable, especially if the pass rusher puts his hands up as he N Taylor) ran toward their QB. The ball literally went right over his head! Ridiculous. This (hands up), is a very basic pass rush rule. Period! There is NO excuse for that!! The other part about that is, on that play it was 3rd and 5. It's a freshmen QB and you run 3 man pressure???? Unbelievable. N Taylor was floating around in no man's land, right next to the strong side "Hook" zone defender. There also was ZERO pass rush contain on the weakside. This is completely unsound!
DBs needed a lot of help from the front 7 and got zero help. Cal's QB may be a True Freshman but he is extremely savvy. Most of the deeper throws were slightly underthrown, the WR has the advantage there. The hardest ball to contest for a DB is an underthrown ball. This was no accident.
Front 7, got raves during both Spring and Fall Camp. The truth is showing that both sides of the ball are not very good. So each one took turns, "having their day". Against decent to better competition , you see the difference, big time!
Now, the offense. We have to address the elephant in the room! Riley's staff that are back involved in this program. You nailed so many good points in your cast about; slow tempo, same route combos, ridiculously outdated play calls. Those play calls are from the guy that Malik Murphy was yelling at… Danny Langsdorf (Riley's old OC). He needs to go ASAP. I also think Gunderson needs to be replaced, but I'll get there soon :). You nailed it when you spoke of, what MM did last year at Duke (No Huddle O and innovation, especially in the quick game). He also had some good help on the perimeter. Let's go there next. A point I brought up, with another podcast a few weeks ago. The question was; "why did we bring in a big arm (expensive) QB and not get the OL protection he needs and an extra weapon or two on the perimeter (WR)??? This is like building a house while starting with the roof. So you all are right in so many facets here; Malik wont return to this. Other quality guys are going to exit. It will be the worst we have ever seen IMO. I am not hoping for this. I'm hoping we make the changes necessary, no matter how tough they are!
Solution:
In my opinion:
I have seen this a couple times, but I think hiring Bryan Harsin as our HC would be absolutely brilliant. Retain Trent Bray as the DC. Get a real OC. Why is Harsin a great fit? First, he sustained excellence at a very small market (Boise State) for many years. That, is not easy. But he recruits the NW well and he gets great trench play from his guys. I'm done with, "We need a guy that is from or just knows Corvallis". NO! We need a experienced professional.
Go Beavs!
Y’all jinxed it after clowning Cal
Another great pod, dudes!Is that digitaldam?? Big fan.
I had to watch this lol…….. how have the predictions changed??