Welcome to the FIRST episode of Off the Deck! In today’s show, Josh Decker sits down with longtime friend and former PGA & LPGA Tour caddie Will Davidson for an inside look at life “inside the ropes.”

Will shares stories from his whirlwind trip to Medinah for a charity event, near-albatross heroics, and some candid reflections on his 11-year career caddying for pros like Smylie Kaufman and HaoTong Li.

From wild travel tales—he’s logged miles in 43 countries—to laugh-out-loud caddie blunders (including a classic rangefinder fail) and the pressures of helping pros handle nerves on golf’s biggest stages, Will offers a fascinating, honest perspective.

Plus, we hear about his latest venture, Birdie Brands, and why his all-natural bug spray has become a tour favorite.

Stick around for plenty of laughs, invaluable golf wisdom, and of course the age-old debate: do you really like hitting it off the deck?

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never really thought I would ever be on tour. Uh obviously not playing, but uh once I I got through Auburn and um kind of re ran into my buddy Smiley Kaufman, who I grew up playing golf against. Um he asked me, he’s like, “Hey man, I’m turning pro in October.” I think this was August or so. I just had shoulder surgery. And uh he’s like, “Would you want to caddy for me?” And I was like, “Yeah, I could do that. Do Q school?” “Yeah, maybe carry my left, see what happens.” But yeah, let’s do it. [Applause] Welcome to Off the Deck. I am Josh Decker, your host. I am thrilled to have Will Davidson here today. Uh Will, how you doing, bud? Man, I’m great, buddy. It’s uh always good to see you. Great to be on. Great to uh to be your first uh first guest. I’m excited about this. Thanks for coming on. Uh I hear you’ve had quite a 24 hours. Uh, I want to get into your background and just everything you’ve done in the game of golf, but can we talk about what you did yesterday? Where did where where did you happen to tee it up? Yeah, so uh quick trip up to uh Madina. That was uh that was a bit of a treat. Wasn’t expecting it. got a phone call about 1:00 yesterday or excuse me, Sunday afternoon um saying, “Hey, uh we’ve got a got a guy that we got an extra um extra spot in this forsome up here for the American Cancer Society event at Madina. Need you to fly up uh and be a part of it.” And I said, “All right, well, I mean, don’t twist my arm too hard for that one.” Uh so that was 1:00 in the afternoon. I flew out at 4:30, got there about 7:00. Quick uh quick dinner and nap and uh I was up and ready to go at like 7:30, 8 in the morning, and then uh all day golfing at Madina number three, which was awesome. Championship course, fantastic. Newly renovated, by the way. Uh it is it was awesome. But uh yeah, flew back uh this morning. Had a little uh little incident with that, but we’ll uh we’ll get to that. But yeah, the golf course was phenomenal. The golf course was awesome. It uh it was truly a a treat to be able to go play a place like that. That’s excellent. How’d you hit it? Didn’t hit it great. Um did almost make an albatross though, so I was uh I was happy with that. I uh hit a little uh was a driver just in the edge of the rough uh hit a five iron kind of around a around a corner one hop, hit the pin, and uh kicked to about six feet. So, uh, it was coming a little hot, but I mean it did center the pin. Did make the putt. Made three. Yep. Nice. Very nice. So, three for two with the, uh, with my one pop. Or actually, I got three pops. So, yeah, one of my pops was on that one, which is nice. Oh, we love that. We love we love getting pops on par fives. Little little three for two never hurts the uh the team score. Uh, so so tell me about your history with the game of golf. Uh we’ve known each other 20 plus years, but I guess it’s been within the last probably five or eight years that we’ve actually played some together and and hung out a lot on the golf course, Ugly Sweat Cove at Pine Tree. But but tell me about how you fell in love with the game uh and just the evolution of your relationship with golf. Yeah. So grew up playing my my dad and granddad got me into it um you know when I was 3, four years old. Um kind of fell in love with it back then. obviously, you know, learned from from those two guys. Uh took lessons growing up, BGA, AJGA, all that going through middle school, high school. Played with some really good players. Now, hindsight, you know, guys like Smiley Kaufman, Trey Mullenax, Willie Wilcox. Um, you know, number of different guys that have, you know, played, Michael Johnson, guys that have played on tour. Um, and so never really thought I would ever be on tour. uh obviously not playing, but uh once I I got through Auburn and um kind of re ran into my buddy Smiley Kaufman, who I grew up playing golf against, um he asked me, he’s like, “Hey man, I’m turning pro in October.” I think this was August or so. I just had shoulder surgery. And uh he’s like, “Would you want to caddy for me?” And I was like, “Yeah, I could do that. Do Q school?” “Yeah, maybe carry my left, see what happens.” But yeah, let’s do it. So um got into that. We actually won first stage, finished I think fourth at second stage. Um, and I think we were like 60th or so in final stage. So, we had conditional status. And then our first event got a sponsor exemption into the Chidamacha Louisiana Open and we finished uh solo fourth and that day I was like I think I made like four or five grand um paycheck and I was like this is easy. I let’s do this every week. I’m in uh obviously not the case as as we all know it’s not that simple and not that always lucrative but uh yeah that started a uh I started an 11-year career catting on tour. So that’s kind of my you know where I’m at now. I kind of just semi-retired in in November and uh still staying in the golf world but uh yeah that’s that’s kind of my kind of my story with it. Been all over the world. Been blessed to go all all over the world. I think I’ve been to 43 44 countries now. It’s amazing. I’ve been been around the earth seven times. Five in one direction, two in the other. All 24 time zones. So, wow. We uh we have a few miles under our belt. Yeah. To say the least. Some airlines, hotel status. Yeah. Yeah. We’ve had uh there was one point uh in my life that I had uh gold or above on two airlines and silver above on two other airlines. So I uh I had a lot of status for a little while on a couple different airlines and two of those airlines were Qatar and Emirates. So that tells you how many times I flew flew in the uh into the Middle East. But so, so what’s one thing that me just as the the weekend hack doesn’t realize that a caddy does on a regular basis? Oh, the mental side of things. The the mental side of things to like where to miss, you know, what should we actually do in this situation? you know, when you’re out there playing with your buddies or, you know, playing at at uh Sweden’s or wherever you’re at, and you know, as a player, an amateur player like us, you know, you kind of think about, all right, well, I’m just, you know, I got to go with the flag. I got to go with the flag. I got to go with the flag. Whereas reality, you know, the best play might actually be, you might need to be five yards left this pin, seven yards left, even 10 yards left or right of this pen. Um, and as you know, amateur hacks like ourselves, we don’t always think that way. So, it’s it’s definitely something that Caddy can can really step up and say, “Hey, actually, you know, let’s be conservative here. Hey, let’s be aggressive here.” Or, “Hey, the miss is here or the miss is here.” Not so much the miss isn’t here, it’s where the miss is versus where the miss isn’t. And that’s something that that we don’t think about while we’re just playing with our buddies or stuff like that most of the time. Right. Right. So, you mentioned the middle side. on the middle side. Is it easier to to manage the mental side of your player if they’re playing great or if they’re missing shots? Because I can see both easier when when they’re playing well. When they’re playing well, it’s it’s easy. Like things are are simple. Um you know, you’re having a good time, you’re hitting good shots, you’re you’re kind of laughing and joking and and you get in a rhythm. A lot easier to get in a rhythm when you’re playing well. When you’re not playing well, it can be dicey. It can be um, you know, a roller coaster ride of emotions from being patient and reminding them to stay patient all the way to being super frustrated or, you know, even to the point where they just don’t care anymore. And trying to get them out of that is is a difficult thing to do because it’s, you know, as we’ve all been there, as any golfer’s been there, you get frustrated on the golf course and, you know, you start thinking, “All right, well, it’s not going to be a good day, so I really don’t even want to be out here and and stuff like that.” Even pros do the same thing. They have that thought. Um, it does creep in sometimes, and it’s it’s kind of hard to get them get them out of that mindset, but that’s part of it. You got to do it. And and that’s what makes a caddy great versus just having, you know, a regular caddy. Yes. So, you’re just as much therapist as you are trying to give somebody the number to hit. Uh, did you ever find a time where you just had to, and if you want to name the player, great. If not, that’s also great. Did you ever find a time where you had to just like put your hands on the player’s shoulder and be like, “Hey, like let’s just like, you know, from from a bad boy, just like woo off for a minute and like let’s just settle down, take a deep breath.” Do you have a memory of of that occurring course? Yes, I’ve had those happen with howong. Um the best instance is when we were coming down 18 at the Volvo China Open in 2016, uh with a three shot lead, which we did win. Uh he didn’t know we had a three-shot lead. I did. Oh. Uh he did not know that. And last hole at um Topwind Golf Club in Beijing is uh par five slight dog leg left and then it comes back to the right with a with water down the right side of the green. Um so he thought we we needed to have we needed to make birdie your eagle there. And knowing that we had a three-shot lead, we got he hit a great T- ball middle of the fairway. Um he reaches for the the 3-wood and I look at him. Yeah. He wants to send it and I told him I was like hey your yardage is um I said yardage is you know 279 or 289 pen whatever it was. Um I said but our layup is is you know 195. And he looks at me and he’s like layup. I said yeah. I said we need to lay up here. I said we’re not hitting three. We’re you know here. So here’s a seven ar. And he’s like, “What? What do you Whoa, what do you need? We got to We got to make birdie here. We got to make Eagle.” He was getting all flustered real quick and like real, you know, kind of high pitched there. And I looked at him. I said, “How tall?” I said, “We have a three shot lead, so you’re going to hit the seven iron.” And I handed him the seven iron right here. Said, “So, hit the seven iron.” And he was like, “How do you know we have a three-shot lead?” Said, “Well, uh, guy, I can’t remember the guy who who was leading at the time, but uh, said he hit it in the water on 16, made double, we birdied 17. and we have a three- shot lead. Um, so he was like, “Okay.” And he was all flustered and then he started going to, “Well, well, well, can I can I hit the can I get the bunker? Can I reach the bunker with the seven iron?” I said, “Hatan, the bunker is 225 to reach the bunker. Your 7 iron is never going 225. No matter how hard you hit this, hit the seven iron. We’re good.” But it was kind of one of those moments where I was like, “Hey, calm down. Let’s, you know, take a deep breath. Let’s go through our routine and hit the seven iron.” hit a perfect seven iron. He unfortunately when we got there wanted to go right at the flag a back right pin with water right and dead long did not want to Oh yeah, totally dead long. It was like three paces from the back, three paces from the right, water right, you’re dead long, you’re dead. Uh pen pen was 107 yards. I’ll never forget this. And he goes, “All right, so we land this 107.” I said, “No, we land this 103 uh to 100. 100 to 103.” He’s like, “No, no, no, no, no. We need to go 107.” I landed right there. I said, “Nope.” Said 105 is the max you can go here. Okay. 106. 103. Back to back again. So, we agreed on like 104. And of course, he one hops it over the back of the green, but had so much spin on it that he actually spun it back out of the rough onto the fringe. And uh we ended up we were able to two putt and you make our part and ended up winning that that event. But it’s just one of those things one of those times where it’s like hey dude calm down we’re fine you know stay in the moment and let’s go. Um that’s a positive version of that scenario. There are definitely negative times where, you know, there’s guys where, you know, it’s hitting the fan and it’s and it’s just not a fun scenario and they’re losing their cool and you just kind of have to look at them, put your arm around them and say, “Hey, you either have to pull yourself together right now or we’re just going to keep, you know, making bogeies, doubles, and we’ll just finish dead last.” It’s fascinating just from the middle aspect of the game of of what you just referred to with Hal Tong. He had a you said a two or three shot lead and after hitting that seven iron had 105 in and whether he disagreed with you or he was just that amped up at the moment of hitting that shot still flew it over the green. I I mean I think I think the average golfer doesn’t understand how difficult it is to win at the professional level. I mean you’ve seen it first. I mean, just like the story you just told, like it’s crazy to me someone who has played as much competitive golf as he has and that you’ve been around and yet still gets flustered in that moment where the only way he loses that tournament is if he rinses one. And that just right. And it it also lends, I guess, credit to what Scotty’s doing and how insane it is right now. It’s just it’s an unbelievable run. Oh, no doubt. Mentally, I think he’s in a place that none of us can really ever relate to. um which I have an incredible amount of appreciation and respect for. Um I mean think about this though. Think of how hard it is just to win win a a matchplay match at at your club, your home club, you know, or club championship for that matter, right? I mean multiply that by, you know, 1.8 million and you throw that pressure on, you know, it’s like that or or 700 if you’re talking about FedEx cut points. It’s just it’s one of those things. It’s like there’s so much more pressure that people don’t realize. Um, and that is another thing too that that caddies are really good at is is knowing when to control a player’s adrenaline in those scenarios and knowing that the ball’s going to go an extra five, six, seven, eight, 10 yards here. Um, and when obviously to, you know, tell them, hey, step on this when we’re maybe down a bit and say, hey, I want you to step on it. Get some get some anger out. You know, I don’t we if we hit this in the rough, then we hit in the rough, but I want you to flush one here. You know, so there’s those times, too. Yeah, you’re right. It is so hard to go down the stretch and win a golf tournament in a professional event. It’s just, you know, it’s just one of those things. It’s like, and no matter what level of golf you are, it’s hard to win. Yeah. And it’s always going to be. I remember making the shootout and a member guest here in Birmingham and I’ve never been so mentally exhausted once it was over. Like I we made the shoot, finished third. The Kolkata was amazing, but like I was just drained. And that was from that was from a member guest. Um, yeah. What What is the best and I would prefer you answer the next part or worst club recommendation you ever gave to one of your players? Um, best. The best has got to be one of the potentially that seven iron on 18 has got to be one of my best ones. Um, I’m trying to think of another one. Uh, if there’s you don’t want to tell the story, that’s fine. But I No, no, no, no. We’re happy to tell. We’re happy to tell. Um there was one um trying to think where we were. Who was the player? Uh Beef and then I’ve also done it with an Vanam as well. So, um it may have had one with Lexi or one or two with Lexi, but uh so beef that one we were playing um oh we’re playing the Hero Indian Open and uh that event they actually let us use rangefinders and I was was par five. Um and you know it was a really weird hole was number eight at at uh DLF or DLH or whatever it is um and in India and it’s a par five around a lake and this has a TV tower at the back of the back of the the green and so we were kind of in a hurry. We were a little bit behind. Yeah, we were a little bit behind and I didn’t walk off the yardage. I just used the rangefinder. And as we all know, rangefinders are great until you don’t shoot the right thing and you miss the flag. And so I shot the TV tower unknowingly. Now granted, we were hitting like a 3-wood or 5wood or whatever in anyway. I mean, it was well over 200 yards. Um, so I told him I was like, it’s like, you know, 281 or whatever. And in reality, it was actually like 260. Oh boy. And so yeah, he flushed one, never left the stick and goes ding right off the the TV tower and and it did luckily didn’t go like into the into the schmutz or anything. It it it kicked out and we were in the in the rough. But he looked at me and was like, I don’t think that was the right yardage and I was like I don’t think it was either. I shot it again and sure enough I missed it and I’d shot the the TV and I was like I felt terrible. Yeah. Uh because it was one of those it’s like you know fortunately it didn’t like Rick Shay in the water in the woods and we would have been dead. But yeah that was not a fun one with Ann. Um another instance with her we were playing at Atlanta Athletic Club uh KPMG PGA Championship and can’t remember the whole 16 actually. It was 16 and it’s a a short par4. She almost drove the green, but we were like 65 yards short of the green, but it’s a totally uphill blind second shot up to the green. You can only see the top of the flag. And she got there before me and the yardage marker wasn’t like the one that was right by the ball. Um, it wasn’t mismarked, but it was marked like, so if this one said 86, then that was 86, you know, middle or whatever. And realistically, it was actually like 64. Whoa. Okay. Right. So, like that’s the front yardage, right? And so she was like, “Oh, that’s the 86. That’s the 86 head.” Whatever. Well, the yardage marker behind it was actually 86 front. So it was the exact yardage as the actual head said. So I looked at the 86 head thinking that was 86 front, not 86 pin. So I then gave her the extra five six yards from the from there and then the uphill a little bit uphill there. And again, we’re we’re hitting I mean it’s a 75 80 yard shot, but we just air we air this entire green from 80 yards blind shot. She thought it was absolutely stuck the pen and we walk up and it’s over the back of the green, not in a good spot, very dead. And uh ended up making bogey from that. And I was just like, “Oh my gosh.” And I I couldn’t figure out why it was long that long. And then I go back and look at my book. I like, “No, that’s 86. That should be right. That’s my numbers right there.” But then I noticed that the other head said 86. And then the one above it was like 60. Was like 86 on the head but 60 front. And I was like, “And was this the 86 head or was this 86 front?” And she looked at me and she was like, “Oh, it’s 86 head.” I’m like, “All right.” So, but that was my fault because I didn’t walk it off. I just took her word for it. Um, but she also, she got mad at me for that one. But, she was like, “That’s your job.” And I said, “Well, you told me the number.” But yeah, I mean, it happens though. You get And that wasn’t really a bad I mean, it was a bad club. It was a wrong club. Obviously, it was the wrong yardage, but uh it’s never a good feeling when you you give a wrong yardage and then deep down you know it like as soon as they hit it, you know like, oh, that was wrong. Yeah, that’s not a fun feeling. So, and and uh and be from probably my two worst ones. Um but I mean, you know, you sprinkle some good ones in there, too, that are like, you know, they’re I think it’s a seven iron. I say, “No, it’s an easy six.” And they hit the six to three feet and they look at you like, “All right, good club.” Yeah. you know, you get some of those and those are great to feel as well. But for the most part, I mean, you know, we’re we’re pretty dialed and so I really haven’t had too many that are like, you know, overpowering like this is the right club, you can’t hit this. I really haven’t had many of those. So, a couple more questions about catting and then I want to ask you about what you’re doing now. Um, one of the cool things over the past, we’ll call it five, eight years is, uh, and I think it was it was primarily Jordan Speed that was referring to the team and my team this, my team that, him and Greller, the caddies that you’ve interacted with, which yardage book uh, of a of a fellow caddy did you see that just like blew your blew your mind? Like you saw their book and you were looking at yours and you’re like, whoa, hold on. What? Like did that ever happen to you of you seeing looking over someone’s shoulder and being like wait a minute hold that’s that’s a different level of of information and knowledge what was that like or who was that yes there are three guys that come to mind um one of them is Mike Burrow and Mike Burrow is he’s catting for um Bob McIntyre right now good done very well with Bob um was with Danny Willlet before that and actually was with Haong after me. So he won with him twice. Uh he’s a phenomenal caddy. U but his book is really really good and he always he color codes everything which which I do now as well but um it’s to a different level than what I I did um where his misses are green his his you know where you can’t miss a red and I kind of do the same but his are a lot more advanced than mine. Um, so for that reason, his his greenwork is really good uh with his book. Another person that is phenomenal is Ted Scott. Ted Scott’s book is always crisp, clean, the most organized book I I’ve seen. Um, it’s just on another level. He just and I don’t even think he’s one of those that yes, he walks the golf course and yes, he does his work, but he’s one of those that he is just so good at what he does and so good at managing the game that a lot of the information that’s in his book is just there by memory and that’s what makes him so so good. Um, the last one, I’m actually going to add two on this one. The last one is Billy Foster. He was a king of color coordinating his uh he was a king of color coordinating his his yardage books. So like his his greens on his green book or whatever were highlighted to every single different color for different um different slopes and and yeah and you’ll see his book pop up on Instagram from time to time. Okay. but his was really good with u with highlighted like slopes like he did really really good stuff with slopes. U last person I’m give give credit to is Drew Hinesley. Uh he is he’s ci Bryson he worked for NBC um still works for NBC but he also catties out at East Lake. So he is one of those that man he puts in a ton of work. He’s one that kind of puts all of those together with the highlighting of the greens and the the misses. Um, but he is always out there. He’s one of those guys that you always see walking a golf course at whether it’s 400 p.m., whether it’s 6:00 a.m., you always see him out there doing his work, putting in the time. Um, and so yeah, his book is always one that is is very impressive to me. Uh, how how early would you get to a course when you were working? Typically practice round I usually get there um maybe an hour to 45 minutes to an hour before he gets there. U and that’s just to make sure I can grab breakfast in case he doesn’t want to grab breakfast in case he’s already eaten or grabbed, you know, Starbucks on the way or whatever. Um but for tournament days, I was always 2 hours to 2:15 before our tea time. Okay. Um, and that was a pretty hard set, you know, deadline that I was going to be there before, unless we were like first or second off and it was like a 6:40 a.m. tea, then I was not going to get there for I remember texting you some early mornings being like, “I bet you’re already there, aren’t you?” Yeah. Yeah. No, there was some definitely early mornings, don’t get me wrong, but uh there’s been a couple 3:00 a.m. plus wake up calls in my my day, which is nuts to go play golf. But yeah, it’s it’s a 2-hour normal thing and and routine is get there, grab a quick bite to eat. While I’m eating, I usually put my pens in for the day. A lot of guys do it the night before, but I like to do it in the morning of so I can look through, you know, look through the hole as I’m putting the pen in. So, I kind of like play the hole in my mind as I’m putting where the pen is. Um, versus doing it the night before. Uh, and sometimes too, like if the conditions change or whatever, they’ll change a pen uh in the morning before and I don’t Yeah, it’s not very common, but like you’ll get the we they send us the um the t- sheet the night before, 8:00 p.m. the night before. And so a lot of guys can put in their their pens or whatever and do their work the night before, but sometimes they’ll they’ll change a pen due to like say if there’s uh they know a storm’s coming in um like in the afternoon, they may move it instead of being three paces from the left, they may move it to like six paces from the left so it’s not just an absolute like, you know, un unforgivable hole, right? Um so that sometimes happen. I hate moving pens on my my green because I usually do them in pens. So, I like to Yeah, I don’t want to have to scratch one out and and do that. But, yeah, that’s that’s usually so I do that. Um, you know, I I get the bag ready, go sit in the locker, get the bag ready, make sure we’ve got everything for the day between rain gear, umbrella, or even like um just the snacks that we’re going to have in the bag, you know, electrolytes, whatever. Yeah. Then, as soon as he’s ready, as soon as he gets there, we we chuck on some shoes and rock and roll. the rest. It’s a 45 minute to an hour warm-up and go. So, I’ve heard this story personally, but I would like Well, at least the one I think you were going to answer with. What is the the funniest or craziest thing that you’ve witnessed inside the ropes? Um, I’m trying to think of what story you’re thinking of. I’ve got a lot of them. The one I’m thinking about involves a lefty. Oh, was it down in Miami? No, it was at the US Open. Oh, that lefty. That lefty? Yeah, that one. That’s definitely Yeah, both lefties, actually. So, yeah, that was an Oshay lefty and a Phil Mickelson lefty. Yes. Um, so yeah, we’ll go with the Phil story because that’s that’s probably the best one and by far the craziest thing that has gone on uh while I’ve been inside the ropes. So that was US Open 2019 I believe it was at Shinikok and that was the year that the Greens were essentially unplayable on Saturday. Um I was with Beef. We played with Phil. Happened to be Phil’s birthday ironically. And uh we are a lot over. Both of us are. I think we shot 83 and 82 that day. Nice. Uh the pair did. Yeah. So that was the day that uh that Phil decided on the 13th hole that he had had enough and uh you know he chipped up chipped over the green. Bleed putted down put it back up puted cross again and was running down the the hill and decided you know what I’m not going down to the fairway again and just walked right by it. Smacked it right back about hold it. Lipped it out actually. Um but yeah that was the uh that was the running putt. the infamous running putt from Phil. Um, the best part of that story like like you and Beef, what did you guys do? Because you’re standing there on the green probably watching this legend of the game and he does that like I I mean I’m sure you had you were like, “Wait a minute, did this did this really just happen?” Yeah. So the the honestly the funniest part is is as soon as he he hit that running putt and it it hit the top of the hole and bounced over and and came to a rest, he just walked up nonchalantly said, “I’ll wait and marks it, picks up the ball and looks back at us.” And beef at this point is look, he turns and looks at me and he’s like, “What just happened?” And I didn’t really have anything to say. I didn’t know what to say. It was almost like, “Do I laugh? Do I do I stand there in silence? Do I I don’t know what to do because that’s never happened. You know, it’s I mean, I’m sure it’s happened somewhere, but it’s not in that stage. Not in that stage. So, again, when when he goes, I’ll wait. Beef just starts laughing and he can’t can’t really stop laughing. I mean, I looked at him and we start I start laughing with him. Uh we had about an eightfooter, six to eight footer and I knew we weren’t making that one. There was not a chance we were going to make that hit, right? Um because he was giggling. I’m sitting there just trying to think what just happened. You can hear murmurss of people behind us like, you know, talking like, “Oh my gosh, what was that? What was that?” You know, and then another thing too is a lot of people think that on the TV coverage, if you ever go back and watch the YouTube or the TV coverage, um after the hole, we were walking off the green. Well, going from 13 to 14, you actually have to walk through the parking lot of Shinikov. And the TV commentary goes, “We think Phil’s walking to his car. He’s just he’s walking off the golf course. Beef’s going with him, you know, like what’s going on right now?” And so he wasn’t. We were actually obviously walking to the next hole, but while we were walking, Phil goes, “I don’t really know what I made there.” And because I don’t I think it was a nine, but it might be a 10. I really don’t know. I’m just tired of being on this golf course and playing these greens. That’s incredible. And so, you know, a lot of people say he did it on purpose. A lot of people say he knew what he was doing. A lot of people say that, you know, he knew he was going to get the the two-stroke penalty, whatever. My honest opinion is I don’t think he really cared whether he was DQed or not. Um, I think that everybody was frustrated on that day. Uh, if you go back and look at the stats from that day, there were only two guys that shot under par on Saturday. It went bad. It was an absolute bloodbath. Yeah. Yeah. Fun to watch. I don’t know about this. It’s not entertaining. I see. See, let me see your knowledge here. Do you know who those two players were? Not a clue. 2018 US Open. 2019 US Open. They moved up 43 spots. They both shot one under and they moved up 43 spots on Saturday at the US Open by shooting one under. I don’t even know where they were. First off, so we play with one of them the first two days, uh, which was Daniel Burgerer. Okay. And the other one was Tony Fen. They were first off that day. They made the cut on the number first off. Wow. Shot one under and moved up 43 spots. So, do you think that’s because they got to play the greens before they were entirely baked out? Absolutely. 100%. And so that that’s another like kind of reason not to get into this portion of it, but it’s like, you know, that’s why in PGA Tour events or any any tournament event that there’s a round and a afternoon round. That’s why they switch is because it’s always the greens are usually almost always harder in the afternoon than they are in the morning. So they got pure untouched greens that had just been watered that morning. Um had some, you know, they were a little bit receptive. receptive enough to stop everything. And then, you know, you go out and hit hit the ball well off the tea. There was no wind when they teed off. You hit the ball well off the tee. Um that day, you can go out and and shoot a a really really good one under. And like I said, move up 43 spots. There wasn’t somebody else like in the the next pairing that did the same thing. That’s crazy. Only two underpar rounds that day Saturday at Shanikard. Well, I I personally loved keeping up with all of your Caddyy adventures. I mean, I remember texting you and you’d be in South Africa, you’d be who knows where. Um, but so now you have Birdie Brands. Uh, tell me about Birdie Brands, what you’re doing with that. Uh, I think launched a new website today. Um, but tell me about Birdie Brands and all your products and what you’re doing there. Yeah, so Birdie Brands was a a company that I developed uh about two years ago and it was when I was working with Lexi. Lexi was struggling to um we’re playing up in north uh New Jersey and the bugs are really bad and so basically she was really struggling to concentrate over the golf ball as you know you and I know in the south the gnats are terrible. Um they start flying your eyes and especially in the spring and summer um and so but she doesn’t like using uh harsh chemicals like in off or any of the big name brands with all the de and all the stuff like that which I don’t blame her. I mean it smells terrible. It feels horrible. Uh and they can’t be good for your skin. So, um you know, a product that has butane as one of its top top uh ingredients is probably never good for your skin. That’s probably why it’s all flammable. Um but anyway, so we I I kind of set out to develop a bug spray that would be an allnatural bug spray and kind of be something that we could put in the bag. And so, a good friend of mine from Birmingham u who had a skincare background, he helped me develop it and we developed a bug spray. smells like peppermint. Um, it’s all natural and Lexi loved it. Uh, ended up giving it to, you know, another 20, 30 players and caddies on tour. Still get people that use it on tour, probably another 20, 30. Bob McIntyre is usually in his bag. Um, Danny Willlet was in his bag. So, it’s a lot of guys that that, you know, I’d go stick them in the lockers and and they take it out and say, “Hey, you got any more of that? That was really good.” So, that’s kind of how Birdie Brand started. Um, and it’s it’s ultimately kind of grown to um, you know, be obviously more than just on tour. Uh, it’s great for kids. It’s great for, you know, moms putting them in soccer bags, stuff like that, whatever. Um, but yeah, we’ve been around for two years. It’s been um kind of a hobby that’s turned into a business that’s turned into a little bit more and a little bit more each year. Uh, unfortunately, and and you know, I’m a transparent guy. Uh we uh we got hacked a couple months ago and yeah, so we lost the lost the website. Um I was not not able to take sales. I was not able to to to check and see what you know who I needed to ship stuff to, whatever. Couldn’t even get on my website. It took me months to figure it out. GoDaddy, Shopify, the whole shebang. It was a it was a big big gut punch to a small business. It is. It is because, you know, I have people messaging me um because I’ve got player or caddies on tour that that wear the hat. So, the the logo is a double bird logo. It’s a really cool logo, red and blue logo. Um and it was, you know, like I said, I got like 10 11 Caddies on tour wearing the hats and you know, a lot of those guys, they promote it and they want to, you know, help out the business and and I try to give back to Caddies with this company as well. Um, and so when that website wasn’t working, it really took away from, you know, any growth that I can do any, you know, the socials. I couldn’t really do much in the socials because like I didn’t have anything to really show or promote or do anything like that. So, I missed out a couple months, which kind of stinks, especially because it was spring and summer, which is a big season for bugs, obviously, right? Um, but yeah, it’s it’s we’re back. We’re hopefully uh the the website is going to launch tomorrow. Um, so we’ll be up and live and ready and uh back at it. So we do, you know, kind of hats and bug spray. We got a couple other small products on there, but um yeah, that’s that’s kind of my my little my little uh little birdie brand nest egg that I I started building back a couple years ago. That’s, you know, we’re hoping to build and grow. It’s birdiebrands.com, correct? Yeah, birdiebrands.com. Yep. So, that’s what it’s uh that’s what the the website should be. Um, and you you told me a story once where someone used it turkey hunting. Like, it’s not just limited to sports activities. If you’re doing anything outdoors that’s not scent scent specific like deer hunting. I mean, it sounds like it’s quite a product and I I personally don’t like putting butane on my skin like that you find. But, um, it’s a fantastic product. I’ve personally used it. Um, but yeah, that’s uh birdiebrands.com. Make sure to check that out. Uh, okay. Well, you’ve you’ve been gracious with your time. Uh, one last question I got to ask you because it’s the name of the podcast. Uh, do you like hitting it off the deck? Man, I’ll tell you what, I did not like hitting it off the deck until I got a mini driver. And I love hitting that mini driver off the deck. So, especially if we got a little Zoya teed up real nice, send it. No, no, no free ads here, but which which mini driver are you playing right now? Uh, tailor made burner. Okay. Tailor- made burner. So, it is the bubble shaft like the old bubble shaft in or they they made it retro looking, right? So, yeah, they made it retro looking. The original one’s like a retro looking. Yeah, it’s the black and tan color. Yeah, black and brown. Yeah. But cool, cool, cool club. Love it. Um, hit little baby draws with it. So, yes, off the deck. 100% that bad boy. I love that. Love that. Will, thank you for hopping on. Really appreciate your time. Uh, check out birdiebrands.com for Will-Davidson. I am Josh Decker. Uh, you guys have a wonderful rest of your day. [Applause]

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