#WMMAMASHUP RD 14 Shevchenko Zhang, Hughes Bannon, Suarez Lemos, Fiorot Jasudavicius, Jandiroba Dern

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[Music] Hey, [Music] hey, [Music] hey. [Music] Hey, hey, hey. [Music] Hey, [Music] hey, hey. [Music] All right, y’all. Welcome back. Welcome back to round 14 of the WMA mashup. Of course, I’m combo breaking 99 and oops, let me go ahead and get this sit right here. Who else we got in the building? Got my man BJ in the building. What’s going on, man? Let’s see that audio. How that audio check one, two, I know y’all can hear me. Where you at? Uh oh, somebody having some audio issues. I don’t hear you. We We’re going to uh Hold on. There we go. Yeah, I’m good. Just checking my audio level, but um I’m fine. I think BJ trying to get straight. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, y’all can hear me. Everybody hear me? Two beasts, what’s up? He said technical difficulties. Yeah, we just waiting on my man to come through. What’s going on? Let me go ahead and see who’s in the chat first. What’s up, Paul? What’s going on, Marcus Bell? What’s up, Two Beast? Marcus said he can hear us just fine. 2B say technical difficulties. I think BJ trying to get his thing straight here. He said he said he can’t hear anything. Um, I see my mic level. You might have to switch in. You might have to come in and come back out, man. Cuz uh Mark said he can hear me. Everybody can hear me, right? Cuz BJ said he can’t hear nothing. But um yeah, we going we going to get this situated. Oh yeah, I’m just checking on my audio. Oh yeah. So in the meantime, while I wait for him to jump back in, good news, man. Good news. We can actually do polls now. I can actually create a poll now for y’all on u the live stream. I don’t need uh what’s it called? OBS anymore. I don’t need OBS. So uh I can create a poll right now if I wanted to, which I’m going to do. Let’s try this again. What’s going on? Where my man BJ? What’s up, BJ from No Filter MMA? Where he at? Where he at? I’ll let you back in. Um, unmute your mic. Oh, he’s struggling right now, I think. Man, hold on. Whatever you did the last show, man. You got to do that again. You got to He’s out again. I’m waiting for him to come back, y’all. In the meantime. Yeah. So, we can create polls now. Oh, there we go. There we go. Let’s try that. What? What happened? I was I couldn’t hear nothing. Hey, well, listen to you, man. Talking about what happened. Ain’t nothing happened, man. We hear you. Paul said we can hear you. Marcus said we can hear you. Now I see the no filter MMA icon. That’s what we needed. That’s what we need. Okay. You come up in here with no no label, man. You won’t get in. Hey, I made it. I made it. I made it. Can you hear me nice and clear? Yes, sir. That’s all that matters. What’s up, man? What’s going on? Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What’s popping, man? Hey, we back for another week. We back for another week. I mean, hey, fill in everybody on the good news. We got something to celebrate. We got something to celebrate, guys. Couldn’t have done it without y’all. We have reached 1,000 subscribers on No Filter MMA. So, yes, we made it, guys. I appreciate you. We in the game now. So, let’s go. Cheers. Oh, let me turn this down. Hold on. There we go. There we go. All right. Yeah. So, I’m good now. Yeah. Cheers. Cheers. Finally. One of the one of the biggest platforms for WMA out there. Yes. Yes, sir. Y’all better respect it. And that’s that’s not to just the fans or the haters, but that’s that’s to the ladies out there that don’t understand who’s promoting it, you know? Exactly. You know, I that’s something I don’t think I’ll ever understand. Combo. I don’t think I I don’t think I’ll ever understand that. What’s that? How do women do? Like how the fighters do, man. Like they should the female fighters should be should be flocking and running to us, man. Like the way we promote them and the way we talk about we talking about them every single episode. You know what I’m saying? Like we dedicated to them, you know? They they giving us stuff to talk about. They should be flocking to us in droves, dog. I don’t I don’t understand it. But you know, I guess it’s just I guess it’s just one of those things, you know. That’s why I’m putting names out there. Look, Jillian. Hey, your man over here been promoting you. Montana. Montana. Y’all know what’s up. Look, we got Casey O’Neal, Aaron Blanch, all of them. Aaron, all of y’all. Macy, Barber, couldn’t name. I should I should have had interviews with every last one of them. Don’t look, you know how many times and I’m gonna start Look, I don’t use IG much, but I’mma start putting it up there. like I’m going to start putting the channel up there too more, but I just haven’t. But like they don’t understand how many times people say to us, “Hey, thanks for um filling me in on so and so.” Uh like a thanks for telling me who Aaron is or telling me who um is, you know, I wouldn’t have known who this fighter was without you. You know, where you where you think your fans come from, you know? Right. Yes, sir. So, and that’s what I’m saying, too, man. like you know we we we let people know who y’all are. You know what I’m saying? And then y’all are giving us I mean say y’all y’all supposed to be giving us that kind of time. You know what I’m saying? Because if it wasn’t for us, if it weren’t for people checking in on what we said on the everyday thing, people wouldn’t have these people wouldn’t even know who y’all were for one thing. And for two, y’all would rather give people the time the the the outlets the time. Them people don’t even be watching y’all like that. Them people don’t even be invested in the story lines behind that because they too busy worried about Alex Pada. You know what I’m saying? Like we the ones we the ones that’s that’s that’s diving into the stories behind it and really diving in deep on y’all’s careers and y’all’s trajectories and y’all’s potential and what we think y’all could be. You know what I’m saying? Give it give that time to us, right? You know, especially if we a fan of you, right? Because it’s not like we do it because we want y’all’s your fight the fighters attention. We do it because we liking the sport. So you would think like if I was a fighter and I was on YouTube and somebody was actually talking about me or you know promote me, I’d be like, “Oh man, that that dude right there, he all right, man.” Like he out here putting me out there, you know, telling people about me, you know. Exactly. That’s that’s where it comes from. Cuz half the channels on here, you know, with a small few we got is just dieh hard fans, you know. It’s just die hard fans getting on here talking. But the fans that get on here found out who you were because of us, right? You know, so I don’t know. But congrats to BJ from Noil MMA. He at the 1K now. So, um, yes, sir. Interviews better be coming in droves over there because, you know, he dropped the real interview. I mean, better than all y’all big platforms. I’m just saying like I watch any interviews when I’m driving on like a six-hour road trip. Y’all just don’t know. Like when I hit me when I jump on the road, I be listening to BJ’s interviews. I can listen through all the way through. But some of y’all big big wigs, y’all got to step your game up. Y’all got to step your game up. I’m just saying. Yeah. Yes, sir. Hey, I appreciate the love, dog. Appreciate that. That’s for real. That’s for real. That’s real. He He said we tell the truth, though. He said a lot of fighters want somebody to kiss their butt. Yeah, that’s true. M yes. Yes. And and and that’s the thing, dude. Nine times out of 10, you know, for me, if if I’m asking you to do an interview, there’s some part of me that is a fan. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s there’s some part of me that’s like fanboying a little bit, you know? So, it’s like I’m not going to say anything. I’m not going to try to bring you on live to try to embarrass you or something like that. Like, I’m trying to have I’m trying to I’m trying to paint a picture. I want I want I want people to see the good side like the best side of the fighter and I try to bring the best side of the fighter out in the interviews for sure. Right. Oh man, I just found this out man. Like I’m about to ask everybody a question here BJ cuz first first things first we got to talk about man. We only got one fight this weekend but I kind of want to jump on it because if I don’t I think I can get it. But yes, let me see. It’s UFC France and we got Shauna, man. It’s a big fight for us over here. That’s S Paige. That’s S Page. What’s your What’s your take on this one, man? Like, as far as this matchup being made for uh for Sam, do you see it more as a stay busy fight or do you see as like a a real challenge for her? I I see if you want me to be honest, I see it as more of a a momentum builder for Sam. You know what I’m saying? Because the UFC likes the UFC likes Sam. You know what I’m saying? And I see it as like a thing. I see it. I’m not saying that Sam should be lax in this fight or she should not take Shauna Bannon seriously because I think that’s something that Pua Tomar didn’t do. You know what I’m saying? Puja Tomar didn’t take her seriously. You know what I’m saying? Because you know the lips and the hair and the way she is. You know what I’m saying? like it is what it is. But I think Sam Hughes is just more put together than than Shauna Bannon. I think I think Shauna Bannon has a lot of potentials. Like she’s good. You know what I’m saying? Like she she she works hard, but I think Sam is just more is just a little bit tighter. You know, like I just feel like, you know, Sam’s just more well-rounded and put together as a fighter. But what I do want to see out of Sam, though, I don’t want Sam to let Shauna Bennett get into any kind of rhythm. You know what I’m saying? the Shauna Bannon can that’s when like when she’s comfortable that’s when she’s at her best. You know what I’m saying? So I don’t want Sam to fall victim to a comfortable Shauna Bannon because Pooa Tomar let her get way too comfortable with those kicks, those sidekicks in there. Like I mean Puja did nothing to stop that from happening. Um so I mean I just feel like Sam Sam needs to really go after this is a fight where Sam can go after it. We can really she can really make a statement here and show like hey I’m ready to fight people in the rankings. So yeah. Yeah. I I think this is a good little active fight for her because once you look at Sam’s Chris, she’s she’s fought quite a number of fights. Like she’s fought a number of fights and got a lot of experience. So to me, y um I don’t really see this being something she’s never seen before. Like I actually thought, right, Jacqueline Amron was gonna be a test for like I was a little bit more worried about that fight because that girl can submit so quickly, you know, but Sam came in that fight and wrestled that girl for like three rounds, you know? So yeah, she did. Yeah, she put Yeah, she put something on her. So I’m thinking that Shauna Bannon is not really much of a threat to me like Jacqueline Ammer is. Like I don’t see her as like a submission threat. um not even like a striking threat to Sam Hughes. Like I think Sam her biggest uh I’d say her biggest loss out of all her fights was that Yasmin Harriy fight because the girl was faster and just more like athletic. But um even her fights like she lost to uh Julie, what was that girl name? Not not Pier Rodriguez. Pier Rodriguez. Pier Rodriguez. That was close. And then when they um gave that decision to Lana Pinro, that was close. So I thought that um Sam had won most of those fights, but uh she’s never I think early in her career, she wasn’t really stepping on the gas. Yeah, that might be that might have been mostly the issue. But if she step on the gas in this fight or even just like mix it up like strike or take this girl down Bannon, I I don’t really see Bannon winning this. Like to me this going to be more of an experience builder for for Bannon. Like I don’t think she’s really got enough in her experience in the UFC to win. Like I’m just being honest. Like Pua Tommoar, man. Like she just could not get by that kick, man. What’s going on, man? I don’t know, man. I’m telling you. I I don’t know what Puja Tommo had going on, but it just it wasn’t working. It wasn’t working at all. She just let this girl kick her in the stomach over and over. Like she’s kicking her in the face, like kicking her in the stomach. I’m like, “Grab that like grab the leg and take this girl down.” Like, what is going on here? Right. Yeah. Just so you see, BJ, I I see YouTube let you add on YouTube. Um, they let me add the polls here. Sam Hughes got 67%. Somebody Somebody actually voted for Shauna, man. that 33%. Who that 33% man? [Music] Somebody like Shauna Bannon. Uh somebody hating on Sam Hughes, but it is what it is. Uh you know, there may be some Shauna Bannon fans out there. I mean, like what does her record even look like? Like who has who is other than Fuja? Has she does she have a win in the UFC? Um let me see. She lost that. I think she fought Bruno Brazil and lost. But other than that, I mean, oh man, remember she fought that girl Alice? What’s her name? Ardon. Ardan. Yeah. Did she Did she beat her? She won. It was like a close. It’s a split decision. Must been really close. Okay. Yeah. So, she’s won. She’s two and one in the UFC. I mean, okay. Um, 2B said hopscotch kick of death. Yeah. Yeah. cuz that’s pretty much what she was doing was out there playing hopscotch. I mean, but she was kicking the hell out of Puja tomorrow. I was like, man, what? Like, what is going on? Can’t even be a fan of Puja like that. No. Uh, like I wanted to be like I was all bought in on the first female Indian fighter in the UFC. The first Indian fighter. Like I was I was I was all in on that, man. And Poocha got in there and did let that girl beat up. Like that’s what I No, I can’t be no Poocha fan. Yeah, we got to pump the brakes on on it. Like she got to come back with something to me. So yeah, that’s that’s the only other women’s fight on this card this weekend, BJ. But um I keep forgetting, man. Like we got to talk about this cuz we won’t be on for this show next week. But this is next week, man. This is next. Yeah, that’s next week. Yeah, I was looking at that today. I was like, man, that fight kind of that fight kind of came up quick, though. It did, man. UFC Noj like this next week. I was like, “Wait a minute, dude.” Well, either it was either it came either it came up quick on us or it was so much stuff has been out in between, you know, since that fight has been announced, so much other stuff has been announced and we’ve kind of been swept up in the black hole of all these announcements coming out that that one kind of slipped. the time kind of because it’s already September, dog. Like the whole month of August, we’ve been talking about possible fights, you know what I’m saying? We’ve been talking about like Strawway been dominating us for the month of August. Like July and August, it’s been a Strawway thing, you know? So, um, yeah, this fight is happening, man. Like, ne, like you said, next week. Yeah, next weekend, man. I was like, wow. you know, I was still trying to get locked in for like the announcements of these other fights, but here this fight’s already going down. So, um, your first look at it, well, now that you we down to, you know, like two weekends, like what’s your take, man? Like, where do you see Suarez going from here in Lamos? Like, what are they going to do? Like, what do they both have to do in this fight to make a statement? Um, This is what as far as Lamos Lam we know we know what Lamos has to go in there and do you know Lamos got to go in thereize Tatiana Suarez is like for you know and and I hate to say it but just I’m saying this saw against way Lee she is tailor made to be to be knocked out by Amanda Lamos. I’m just gonna say that. You know what I’m saying? like if if Tatiana come out like that and I’ve been watching her training videos. I’ been, you know what I’m saying? And um Tatiana Suarez has been working a lot on her striking, which that’s what she needs to work on. You know what I’m saying? Like the striking and the entries to the takedowns, like she needs to work on that stuff. You know what I’m saying? But uh I don’t know if I don’t know if I would play that striking game with with Amanda Lamos because McKenzie Durn to me is a more solid striker than Tatiana Suarez. And you know what I’m saying to on the feet, she kept she got hurt bad on the feet. But McKenzie is the type of person that if even if she does get hurt like that, like she can still scramble. Like she’s a good scrambler. She’s a good oh, you know, I’m not going to let you know that you clip me up, I’mma grab you and sling you to the ground and put me back put myself back in, you know, advantageous position. That’s what she did against. like those submissions were close, you know, like she was trying to lock in those submissions on Lamos, you know, but I don’t I don’t see SW as a type of person that would scramble like that. She was trying to do that like she had she was giving these sloppy entries in on Jeang Lee, you know what I’m saying? And like I don’t want Tatiana to be desperate out here. Like she can’t be desperate out here. like she got to set up these takedowns because I still believe even though Jeang Lee she wasn’t able to hold Jeang Lee down, Tatiana Suarez wasn’t getting those takedowns like she wasn’t going for those takedowns in in the best possible ways. Like she wasn’t hiding those takedowns behind something like she was just blindly desperately shooting on Shane Lee. Like I don’t want her to do that against Amanda Lamos. I want it to be I want to see some calculated destruction by Tatiana Suarez. I don’t want to see, you know, I don’t I I hope to not see that kind of performance we saw against Jan Lee. I’m just going to put it like that. I want to see a much better improved calculated Suarez. Yeah, I want to see the same thing too, man. Because I think that um Suarez has kind of missed a few like levels over the past few years and that that’s kind of been her setback, you know, um that inactivity definitely played in fact, you know, with that and the injury. So, I think that this was this was actually the kind of fight she should have taken maybe before the championship fight. Yes. But yes, you know, just what could she do really, you know, cuz it was almost like she was the only one there and you know, and I think Suarez was like, I have to take it now just in case I anything happens, you know, like as far as injury. So, I think she just wanted to clearly test herself. And I mean, we saw like we saw like how far back she was, you know, um a little I mean, I hate to say a little outdated, you It was a little It was like watching a fighter Yeah. from 2018 take on somebody from 2025, you know? Yep. And so many things change in like seven years. So I think that in a way probably woke something up in Suarez. But um this here I think is a good one because it’s going to force her to be a little bit more disciplined and not go back to those sloppy entries like you were saying, you know. Um she’s always been that big strong fighter in all her fights, but got to go back and remember a lot of the girls that she was fighting to didn’t have power like Lamos or they weren’t as strong Lee, you know. So now and have the speed that way has and the speed. Exactly. Like that’s why I always wanted to see her fight Yana back in the day, man. Like back then I think Yana would have been the one to like actually beat Suarez. Like I think she would beat everybody else like Rose included. But the way Styles play like I think that consistent jab of Yana and that speed would have been like issues and that takedown defense, you know? So yeah, that that’s something I kind of see now like there’s some problems there for uh Suarez like is the you know striking the lack of striking IQ and you know Suarez she ain’t she’s tough but I wouldn’t go in there I wouldn’t advise to stand too long with Lamos. You know don’t go in there and stand too long with her. just use the striking enough to get inside and get this fight where you know where you know where you you’re most comfortable. That’s all I can say with her on that because this ain’t really the fight to want to test your striking for three rounds straight. You know what I mean? Like you want to build off a jab but don’t be up in there standing. I mean way Lee can do that because she faster and she’s got better footwork because I remember in that fight with Lamos Way Lee did drop Lamos with a big right hands, but I really don’t see Suarez dropping Lamos like that. Like her main focus just has to be like jab to set up like entry. That’s it, you know, and and fight on the inside. So hopefully with her striking that she’s working on, it’s just like getting the basic fundamentals. But I hope they don’t get like striker happy, you know? Like I used to say that about Cynthia Cavillo. That girl became a boxer overnight. She became a boxer overnight and it kind of cost her career, you know, and I always thought she was like a better grappler, but I don’t think as far as to go that crazy with it. But Lamos, man, she been kind of a man, like I won’t say one trick pony, but she just get caught up in that power, man. But when’s the last time she really knocked somebody out, man? She ain’t knocked anybody out in a while. Like it’s been I mean, she she came close to knocking Darren out. Mhm. She came kind of close to knocking Darren out, but that was really about it. That was it. Yeah. I haven’t really seen her. She knocked out She knocked out Hrigz, didn’t she? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She did stop her on the feet, but like she hasn’t really had one of them crazy knockouts where she just put somebody out out, you know? Like I don’t really see her setting up her punches either anymore. Like I see some regression in Layos. like I’m not seeing her build like like a Aaron. Maybe it’s the age thing. I don’t know. Maybe it’s maybe she getting a little too comfortable, but I think both of these fighters, you know, with where they’re at, it kind of it breaks even for me. I think I I can really see it going either way. What about you? Yeah, that’s that’s that’s that’s kind of what I’m feeling too. Um, and it’s I never thought I would be saying that when it come to Tatiana Suarez, but you know, it just I feel like it could go either way, man. You know, just the way Lee showed so way showed so much, you know, what was lacking with Tatiana Suarez, you know, so that just kind of put it there, you know, just kind of put things into perspective and Suarez got some holes she got to work on. I mean, you know, she always says, “Oh, my standup is good. I just don’t have to show it.” Oh, it’s not good. You know, I mean, let’s just be 100. But her and Patchy Mix both need to be working on some some some things in that cage because they both look like dog poo poo in their last fights. Like, I can’t believe Patchy Bixs came in here and got done like that. Like, bro, you just you was one of the killers at Bellator and you came over here and got beat like that. You know what I’m saying? Like, I mean, bro, he looked frozen. He looked he looked, you know, a lot of times when somebody comes into the UFC for their first first fight, you know, first fight in the UFC, they always say, “Oh, maybe it was a nerves thing.” And I never really agreed with because I’ve never seen somebody frozen like that. Patchy Mix was the first fighter that I seen that look that looked like a deer in headlights in his first UFC fight. Like, he literally looked like a deer in headlights. Like, he just didn’t know what to do. He was frozen, you know? And I’m just like, man, like that’s not a good look. You know, him and Tatiana don’t they didn’t look neither one of them looked good in their last fight, man. So, I mean, they both got some things they got to work on for real. Like, in all honesty, like I think when it comes to training, I think they should separate training camps between the two. Like I don’t think either one of them should work together when it comes to like their standup game because no matter what you say, oh, you know, I’m this my wife or this my husband, I’m gonna be honest, 100% honest. You still don’t you still ain’t going to give them the same uh you still ain’t gonna give them the same uh what’s the word I’m looking for? assessment or truth that Yes. Dewey like a Dewey Cooper would or Dean Thomas. You know what I mean? like right you going to be holding back. So to me it’s like you get your striking coach, I get mine and we we separate. Like when it comes to our boxing and our striking, we need to be in separate camps just so we don’t we don’t Yeah. lie to each other. I’m just saying maybe they did do that. I don’t Well, I I don’t think they did do that. Like they didn’t do that the first time around. They was working together, but they worked together. Yeah, they they worked together their first Yeah, that first camp. So I I don’t think Yeah, you’re right. combo. That might be a thing, you know, like maybe, you know, like I still love you, but let’s let’s do our training separately so we have somebody that is being brutally honest with us. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s all I’m saying. Like I just think that from what we seen, how both of them just got completely destroyed on the feet and looked like they didn’t even belong on the feet, it was like, okay, um there’s some work that needs to be done big time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Do you do you see uh who do you see finishing the other fighter? Like who do you think has the ability to actually get a finish over the other? I mean, dude, that’s how 50 That’s one. Like, when you say 50/50, that’s that’s what I mean by 50/50. Like, I can see Suarez cuz if Suarez lands a takedown, she can get she can get Limos out of there. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? Like, I mean, let’s just keep it 100. If she gets a takedown on Limos, she got Limos is out of there. But if Limos can sting Tatiana Suarez, you know what I’m saying? Like if she can sting her and and and and and jump on it early when she’s not tired like she might get Suarez out of there, dog. Cuz Suarez has a bad thing. I told you, you got to watch these tendencies, man. Suarez got a bad tendency of when her back get to that cage, dude, she just she breaks like she doesn’t know what to do in that situation. Like when her back start skate, like you seen it, I seen a little bit of it in the Andra fight. You know what I’m saying? When Andra was started putting pressure on Suarez and Suarez back got started skating along the back of that octagon, she kind of and and you know start swinging like Suarez look lost in those moments. She don’t defend herself well. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Catch catch that. Catch that. I know. I know. Like when she seen that speed and then when she felt that power away Lee, it put her in a whole different world. You know what I mean? like she was she was like, “Wait a minute.” She was like, “Am I supposed to be here tonight?” You know what I mean? It was like that kind of reaction because way Lee wasn’t way Lee was not stopping. Way Lee was putting some work in that night. And I after that first round, I was like, “Oh, this is going downhill. This really going downhill.” All because of that like that element, man. That stand up. Yeah. That that reversal. So I just think man like she got to put that work in with a separation there and you know we ain’t hating or nothing like that. We just telling you the truth. No, we ain’t hating. Yeah. Like you just got to be in there I think 100% focused with somebody that’s going to tell you straight up that hey like you are stiff as a board. U you have no head movement things like that. So no foot movement. No foot movement at all. Huh? Yep. No, but I can’t give a early pick right now, man. I can’t give a I mean, I’m kind Yeah, me either. I’m kind of like you 50/50, man. Like 50/50. Like really, it could be Limo’s getting the knockout or Suarez getting the finish on the ground. I don’t know. Either way it go though, combo, if we not going to give a pick right now, we ain’t got but a week to do it, dog. That’s true. That’s true. If I had to kind of I’ll be I’ll be I’ll be nice on this one. If I had to pick, I’ll lean more towards uh Suarez on this one. I think Suarez. Yeah, I kind of lean towards Suarez, too. But, um, this fight, this fight really did sneak up on us, though, dog. It stuck up. It stuck up on me cuz with all this stuff that’s going on now, I’m going tell you that’s one of the last fights that’s that’s really been on my brain. Yeah, that’s what’s crazy. Like with so much other stuff going on, like this is a fight I would have been really like keeping up with, but you know, there was just so many other things that overshadow like which was crazy. I was just like, man, like I look Yeah, cuz I looked the other day, you know, when we were going to jump on the show, I I was just on Google, you know, typing in UFC schedule and I saw this next. I was like, damn, okay, we we got to get this in now because, you know, next week we won’t be on. But I I’ll say I’m leaning towards Suarez right here, you know, just Okay, a little bit. A little bit. But yeah, I can see it. Yeah, I I’m not mad at that pick. That’s a good pick. Okay. All right. So, next BJ, uh, I know we were um talking about this one cuz said we might do some round by rounds and I know you want to we haven’t really discussed this together yet. October, man. Like, we got a big fight every month. It’s one reason that we do we do this one. Fior and Jazzy Vicious, man. Like I mean I I you know I’m really really really interested in what your pick is on this fight. You know what I’m saying? Because I mean you’ve been you’ve been pushing Jazzy like as much as you don’t want to say that’s your girl. I get it. I know you don’t want to say that’s your girl. Uh, you know what I’m saying? But I mean, you’ve been pushing Jazzy. So, see, that’s the perfect example I’m talking about, BJ. That’s why Suarez needs like an outside influence cuz somebody from the outside can always see what you saying and what you doing, what your moves are. So, you basically saying that you hear me pushing Jazzy, right? See, I don’t see it, but you went outside looking in. So, that’s what you I mean I mean you you recognizing her as a threat. You know, you recognizing her as a threat, but you didn’t want to recognize some other people as a threat. But, you know, that’s neither here nor there. Um, wait a minute, wait, wait a minute. But, wait a minute. Who’s this other person that’s a threat, man? I mean, because you see you realistically saying that Jazzy is one fight away from a title shot, but Aaron Blanchfield probably need a couple more fights, which is crazy. Which is crazy. I was like, this man said Jasmine Jazz and Viz is one fight away from a title shot, but Aaron still need to fight a couple more fights. Here we go. All right. All right, BJ. This is like the Lamos knockdown argument. We We ain’t never gonna agree on it. Layos get knocked down by Angela Hill. We just Angela Hill dropped Lamos. She dropped. She dropped Lamos with that spinning elbow. I’m telling you, she did. Oh my goodness. Oh man. Here we go. But seriously though, man, Jasmine is on her way to a title shot with this, man. We got to be fair, man. Like, if she beats the girl that beat Aaron, why not, right? Why not? Yeah, I get it. No, not even. Why not? I mean, yes. Yes. I mean, yes, she beat I mean, Manown is Manown was so highly regard. First of all, Manown was highly regarded. Second of all, she beat Aaron Blanchfield. And third of all, she challenged for the title. You know what I’m saying? So, there’s a lot of reasons. There’s a lot of evidence to push Jazzy over Aaron. I know. I get it. Like, I completely agree with that. I think you said that in one of your other videos. Um, you know, but the problem for Jazzy is is can she be a a motivated man? A man that just come off of her first UFC loss that it just happened to be a title shot. Like, can she beat that? Are we going to see like what kind of Manown are we going to see? You know, like that’s going to really answer the question like, and can Jasmine can she overcome that? Because now Jasmine fighting these big girls, you know what I’m saying? Like Jasmine fighting Yeah. like she fighting somebody that’s bigger than her now. You know what I’m saying? So Jasmine is is is at that disadvantage cuz these small girls, these girls that are smaller than Jazzy, she ms them. We’ve seen it over and over. Like she moss these girls that are smaller than her. But Manown, it’s going to be a lot harder to do that with Manon, you know? I mean, I just I just got to be I got to be real because Manon is big and you can see Manon is so physically imposing. You can see her muscle fibers through her skin. Mhm. You know what I’m saying? Like that. Like you can see her muscle. You can see her build. Not and I ain’t even talking. It’s not even like forming, you know, somebody who’s never seen, you know, Jasmine. I mean that’s never seen when you know thinking maybe I’m talking something like Kayla Harrison. I’m not talking like that. Kayla Harrison is very bulky. You know what I’m saying? So that’s a different I’m talking about a different sort of build here. Like Manon’s muscles are are are not the same kind of muscles as Kayla Harrison. Like I mean just the way her body is built is different, man. Like when she was in there with Valentina, she looked massive in there with Valentina. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s why it was so crazy to see Valentina beat her up like that, right? Man, like you just Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say right because my whole game or Yeah. The game plan I come up with in my head is just like why are you not putting every bit of that muscle like on with on Valentina? Like why you trying to play the same game with somebody small? Cuz Valentina coming in knows she’s smaller so she gonna be like I got to use my quickness and stay away from her. You know that was just me, right? But what were you saying? Oh no, no, no, no. You was good. You know Paul says that Paul says tapology says they’re the same height but Jazzy has a two inches of reach on her. Yeah. Um, but they use their reach. They use their very they use their reaches very differently. And I guarantee you Manown Manown cuts a lot more weight to get 25 than Jasmine does. But, you know, but J but I have to say this in Jasmine’s defense. You know, as I was talking about Manown size, Jasmine’s good at taking you down, though. Like, she’s her takedowns are good. They are. They are. That’s my thing. Like, that’s been pushing. That’s what I’ve been pushing cuz I’ve been watching this. Yeah, her takedowns are good. Yeah, but so I got to give that respect to Jazzy. Yeah, definitely. Like this fight, man, it’s a much needed fight for Manome because it’s um it’s it’s something that’s going to keep her momentum going. Like once you lose to the champion, I don’t believe somebody that fought like Manome all the way to the top deserves anything soft. Like no, like right go back go right back in there and and get in get that work in against, you know, a dangerous opponent. Like on paper, yeah, like Jazzy, when you look at the resume or just like the styles, you might say, “Okay, she’s slower or this and that.” But I think it’s a dangerous fight off of the uh momentum alone. Like yeah, two questions I asked, man, are like, did Manon learn from that fight against Valentina or did she lose something in that fight? You know what I mean? Like now that she got the shot, would she come back just as hungry now that she already lost the shot? Like is she going to still be on fire like she was, you know, after the sixth win, the seventh win? So yeah, those are the kind of questions I have to ask about her. Uh because now, you know, you going in there with somebody that was in your place, you know, you got Jazzy up in here tearing through all these Brazilians now. You know, she’s up in there and yeah, looks better in her in in her last couple fights as far as her standup, you know. So, it doesn’t even have to be about, okay, Manon’s most experienced and she’s faster, she’s done this and that. Like, this MMA, man, like all it takes is just like a couple of off rounds or, you know, doesn’t have to be, like I said, a whole off night. You give up one minute or one second against somebody that’s trying to make a statement and that’ll cost you a fight. Yep. That’s true. I’m thinking, you know, like Jasmine right now, she definitely ain’t one to sleep on. Like technically on the feeton is better, but who’s going to be who’s going to be on fire? Who’s going to be coming with that energy all night? Just don’t know. See, but the thing is the thing on the feet is, you know what I’m saying? Like Manown kind of tricked us. Like she kind of tricked us. Like she ain’t she ain’t really that heavy of a puncher though. Like that’s the thing about it. fight. I think she kind of holds back. I think she holds back because I went back and looked at some of her fights and her punches do damage, but I think she’s so keen on getting out that she’s not fully sitting on them. Because if you look at like Rose and Aaron, their reaction in their faces, like when she punches them, right, there’s like a there’s like a reaction to it, but she kind of draws back and gets out fast. like it’s still that karate style which I think, you know, kind of takes away from her as a big fighter, you know, like if she fully went in on a shot, I think she could probably hurt a girl and knock him out, but you know, when you peck him like that, it kind of takes away, you know, you’re not getting your full respect from opponents. You know what I mean? And that’s so crazy. That’s so crazy. That that’s a testament to the speed of Valentina Shvchenko because Manown Man being so cautious of a fighter like it’s like Manown fights like she’s ready for the counter all the time. Like you said, like that in and out that pull back style, you know what I’m saying? Like not get hit a lot, you know what I’m saying? In in a lot of other fights, that’s what I’m saying. Like Valentina was like Manown knew those shots was coming. It was like she didn’t know those shots was coming. She’s she just couldn’t do anything about it, right? like she couldn’t do anything about it. Like go back and look at look at when Manon throws a jab versus when Valentina throws hers. Like there’s a lot more pepper on Valentina’s jab. That’s why it was keeping her back, you know, and that’s why she was hitting Grasso with it so clean at times because um it it’s it’s like the style of how they throw it, man. Like I think Valentina’s more committed to it and she believes in it. Well, I won’t I can’t say but no it’s not that she don’t believe in it. I think that her technique is to like you were saying anticipate the counter which is dangerous. Yes, that’s dangerous cuz it might not come or you might be all you might get hit with something like Valentina did. So my thing is like when you go back and look at how Valentina throws that jab, look at look at her face when she throws it too. She throwing everything behind it yet still not throwing everything behind it if that makes sense. Like when she stab you with it, it’s like ping. You know what I mean? And like Yeah. Lighter in front of her is just like, “Oh, what hit me?” You know? Yes. It’s like a blunt shot. It’s a blunt shot. Yeah. It just come in there and smashes you in the face and then it’s already back in place that you’re like, “Oh man, like I don’t want to get hit with that again.” So I see that the thing with it manon was like she was like um she was like pawing with that jab though like with her jab she was kind of using it. I don’t know. I’m trying to figure out what she was trying to use it for. She was like she wasn’t committing and it was like while she was in the middle of pausing like pausing in the middle of pawing with the jab, Valentina was like sticking her like like you said stabbing her, you know what I’m saying? So like but the thing man can play like she’s not facing somebody that’s kind of level in this fight, you know? So it’s going to be it’s going to be up to Jazzy if this turns into a striking fight. It’s got to be up to Jazzy to to to to show what she’s made. I Jazzy’s a big girl. You know, if if she’s if it’s gonna turn into a standup fight with Manol, Jazzy gonna have to throw something. She can’t throw those little touchy touchy punches that she was throwing in there with Andra. You know what I’m saying? Like, I mean, those punches were landed, but they didn’t have they didn’t have a whole lot of They were frustrating, don’t get me wrong. Like, they was pissing and off, you know what I’m saying? But, you know, it wasn’t anything like that was really I don’t know. It wasn’t like it wasn’t a stick, you know. They weren’t sticks. They were just like felt like touches. They look like touches. So, we’ll see. It’s going to be interesting though. Like, but I think this the perfect fight for Manon to work on that jab business in this fight. It’s the perfect fight for her to execute that jab, man. because I mean you you’re dealing with somebody like Jasmine who is dangerous in close quarters but um also is working on her stand up too and ain’t the best at it yet and you know she’s a little bit slower than you. So this the fight where she need to be sitting on the jab. Like that’s pretty much the difference between like the striking of her and Valentine. Valentina is going to sit on it, but Manon’s quicker to get out instead of, you know, Yes. committing. And when you that big, I would commit to it. You that big, you sit down on that jab because you would knock a girl back so quick, you won’t have to worry about a counter. You know what I mean? Like there’s many times like again the Graasso fight when Graaso put the right jab in Valentina’s face followed by the left. Valentina didn’t have time to counter right away, you know? Right. Yeah. It was like boom boom two shots and Valentina had to reset. So just little things like that’s a good that’s a good comparison combo. Yeah. Yeah. Um Easy said so easy. Yeah. Hold on. Go ahead. Easy. Easy. That’s my man Chris Bird. That’s my man. He was he he been on the show a little while back. I you didn’t know that. I interviewed Chris Bird like maybe four or five years ago. I had him up here, man. That’s my man. But I know what you mean. Like the jabber the jab is light. But um no, she need that uh she she got to have that yana jab, man. She got to put that thing out there. She got to put it out. But that’s the thing. I’ve seen Mon good jabs. Yeah. Yeah. Like she she landed a couple like she was who was it? Jennifer Maya or somebody. I can’t. I know she beat up Maya Bueno Silva. Uh man, she she beat her up. Like she beat her up. She l she look like she gassed in that fight a little bit. But um what I was going to uh what Easy said was that’s why I hate French kickboxers. I always have. Is that a thing? Because I mean if you think about it, Sirill Gan kind of fights like that. Yeah. So is is he kind of fights the same way? Mhm. A little bit. But the thing about the thing about Surreal Gun, you know, like once he he has hurt people with with his jab. I’ve seen him do it. And when he hurts him, like he goes in and he finishes him. You know what I’m saying? Like I would like to see Manon do that. Like if Manon can get off some good stiff punches, like I want to see her go for it. You know what I’m saying? Like you know she went after it with Tabitha Richi, but that was Tabitha Richi. She knew she was going to get Tabitha Richi out of there. You know, she hurt one of these big girls. I want to like she she never did really go after Mao Silva like that. Like she was content just boxing her up from from range. Like I want to see her try to finish her, right? Yeah. Yeah. There was a couple girls like I I think honestly I think there was more of a submission threat from Myra Bu Silva, so I kind of gave that one a pass. But I wasn’t taking any exceptions against Rose. like easy easy be getting on me about that cuz I said she should have stopped rolling cuz he be like oh you know maybe she wanted to out strike her she wanted to do this no man get that little girl out of that’s what you supposed that’s what you supposed to do that’s how I felt like she had the power and the strength to get Rose up out of there I was like get that girl broke her finger in the first round get her out of there no no no love you got as far if I was in the corner that’s what I’m saying like I’d be Like, uh-uh, we we going for the kill. We going in for the kill. So, if you got somebody little like that, Caitlyn Chagan, like Caitlyn Kagan is tall and long, but yeah, she can be stopped. She can be man or woman handle, whatever you want to call it. Like, I mean, look what was doing. What? Yeah. Eboss was tossing her like a like a damn jump rope. Yeah. She tossing her up, man. She playing, you know, double Dutch up in there. So, it’s like you got to use that size, man. That’s my big thing. Like, I I don’t want to see her go in here and put herself at risk against Jasmine as much with the size thing, but the striking has to be like worked on in this fight. Like, she got to put that jab in the face, man. Like, hey, take take a page out of the girl that beat you’s book. That’s all I’m saying. Valentina, hey, ain’t no shame in your game, you know? Just take a page out of her book. Yeah. Yeah. And I And and another thing another tip for Manon is keep working on that wrestling. Like keep keep taking girls down. Don’t let that be don’t let that be a a plan B. Like no. Work that in. Like keep doing that. You know what I’m saying? Because she can do like that’s that’s one way that Manown can really put her size to use, man. Is taking these girls down and holding them against the cage like she was doing Valentina. Like she if she if that would have been her game plan from the beginning like the way she was you know take the way she was controlling Valentina like if that would have been her game plan that would have been a good good game plan for Manown. Like I would have respected that game plan better than her going to it as a plan B cuz that should have been that should have been easy science for Manown. Like like I you know I know this girl was fast but I’m bigger and stronger than she is. Like let me show her that I’m bigger and stronger than her. You know, like I just hate that that wasn’t what her her plan A was. 2B 2B says it again. We got to answer 2B’s question. He keeps saying top five jabs in WMA, but go ahead and answer that combo. Okay. Um I’ll let you answer that first, but I’m I wanted to say this. Yeah. Um yeah. Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. Yeah, we we man, if I have a fighter like that that’s that big and dominates the division as far as size, I would have been like, “Hey, hey, we going in here and we about to muscle Valentina. That’s our main key.” You know, we going we going we going to get some people. We got to get Mar in here. You know, we got to get Mar. We got to train and roll with him and work on this wrestling, you know, work on this pressure fight because you can’t be big for nothing, man. Like I was looking at a couple of Dakota’s fights and I’m like, “Okay, Dakota’s not a great grappler or wrestler, but I’m seeing her like grab these girls up and lay on them, you know, just cuz she’s so big, you know? She’s like, I’m going just lay on this girl.” Like she’s not looking for a submission, but there was a few fights that she had and she would just kind of lay on them. Um there’s a fight where she went the distance for the first time and she just laid on the girl like she was clenching up with her. Girl was struggling, you know. So yeah, man. Like do that to Valentina. You know those we never know them 37 year old legs might not be able to hang. You know, we just never know. I’m just saying like that’s how you have to think about it, man. You got to think like you know your legs ain’t the same as they are when you’re in your your 20s or 30s. You got to look at it like that. That’s what I’m saying. No, you right though. You right. It’s just funny. your legs might not be able to keep up with. I’m just saying, man. Um, top five jabs in WMA. Um, I’ll let you go be there first. What you think, man? See, I think I I I like to be I liked your your comment video for that. I think that maybe needs like that needs that’s not an answer on the fly type of question. Like that’s something that I’m really going to have to Yes. Like I’m gonna have to maybe me maybe me and Combo will do a pre-recorded little mashup video talking about that and then release that on both channels so y’all can see. Yeah, that’s a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got to think about that too. I gotta think about Yeah, that’s something that’s Yeah, I gota think about because I gotta think about all because we’ve been seeing a lot of good jab. We’ve been seeing a lot of good jab lately. We’ve been seeing we’ve been seeing some good jab some good jabbing across all the divisions lately. Yeah. Yeah. I’ll hold off on that one. So, are you since you say I love Jazzy so much, um are you seeing what I’m seeing though like as far as her threat level in this fight and Yeah. Oh, absolutely, man. Yes. Absolutely. Like her her like we’ve been talking about, you know, big girls fighting big. She gonna have to fight big. But I still I don’t want Jasmine I don’t want Manon’s size to make Jasmine fight in a different way. I don’t want her I don’t want to see that happen. I don’t want the size of Manown to affect the game plan of what Jasmine does. I still because I still think Jasmine who is a big girl that fights big herself. You know what I’m saying? I think she’s fully capable of taking Manon down if she wanted to. like she’s she Jasmine is is is is built to be in the clinch with somebody like Manown. You know, I don’t think I you know those two big girls if if if Manown has an advantage over Jasmine in the clinch, I got to see it. You know what I’m saying? Because you’re talking about girls that, you know, physically imposing flyweights, you know what I’m saying? And we always talk about like it’s, you know, their size is a thing. You know what I’m saying? Like that’s that’s a thing. So, uh two big flyweights like that lock. I’m If Jasmine needs to wrestle, I want her to wrestle. Like she wants to wrestle, wrestle. Oh, I got a good question for you. Um, who do you think starts fast in this fight? Jazzy think so. Yes, that was that was an easy That was an easy one for me. That was And that benefits her. Do you think it benefits her to start? Yes, it does. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, because Manon is a picture taker. Yeah, I Let’s just be real. Yeah, that first that first round against Valentina, like come up. Don’t be big for nothing. Facts. Yeah, that first round, man. Like against Valentina, you got you got to get started early, man. Um Tyler did, Graasso did. You got to get it going, man. Like you can’t wait for Valentina. So, um, if she come in here starting slow, like you might fall behind and Jazzy get into a rhythm. But Jazzy, yeah, she started Jazzy started fast in her last couple fights, her last three, four fights. So, yeah, against the Andra, she start putting them little paw putting them little baby paws on Andra. I seen that. I said I said, “Okay, Jazzy.” All right. She put them little baby paws on Andra, though. Yeah. Andra didn’t know what to do after, man. Andra was like, I gotta respect this girl. Yeah, Andra be getting mad when somebody hit her, though. Like, she don’t like getting hit. And yeah, it’s it’s crazy. No, she don’t, man. But, um, yeah, I think in the coming weeks, man. Yeah. We’ll probably do a couple round by rounds with these girls, you know, Jazzy or u Manon. Um, pick a fight. You know you I’ll pick You want me to pick a man known fight? I’ll pick a man fight. You pick a jazzy fight. Nah, I’mma let I’mma pick a man fight. You No. No. Yeah, I’ll pick a jazzy fight. I’ll pick a jazzy fight. You sure we can switch it now? We can switch it. No, I’m gonna pick a Jazzy fight. All right. Don’t pick Natalya Silver now. [Applause] [Laughter] I know you. No, I ain’t going to pick that one. Okay. I ain’t gonna pick that one. No, I ain’t gonna pick I’m No, I’m gonna show I’m gonna show her at her best. You know what I’m saying? Like when I do round by rounds, I like to show them at their best. I know. Yeah. Yeah. We always try to get the best fight, you know? Yeah. Round by round, man. We did one of this fight. But hey, um BJ, I heard your video, man. I definitely see where you coming from, man. Like I don’t understand like the the hate behind why Durn is getting the title shot cuz look at the rankings. Like there’s nothing there’s nobody else that you could argue in front of her right now to get it, you know? So I do stand with you on that. I just I don’t know, man. Like if she was to win, I don’t know how consistent Dur would be, man. Do you think it would wake something up in her or do you think she would maybe lose the belt in the next fight? What? You know, see, that’s what I’ve been thinking about that, man. I’ve been thinking like if Durham becomes a champion, like what kind of champion will she be? Like how beatable is she in comparison to the girl she’s already fought? You know what I’m saying? because a lot of those girls that could possibly be her next fight, you know, her first title defense is a girl that she’s lost to. You know what I’m saying? So, it’s like it could be like a way Rose situation. You know what I’m saying? So, I don’t know, man. Um, I think she’ll fight. I think we’ll see the best Mackenzie Dur if she wins the belt. You know, it’s kind of like a Misha Tate type thing. You know what I’m like if she wins the belt, we’ll see the you know, however long that lasts. I don’t know how long it’ll last, but we’ll see the best Mackenzie D. I think like she’ll fight like a champion for sure. And I think she’ll be wanting to get she going to have to get some of that get back, you know, unless her first fight is is Suarez. You know, Suarez beats Limos. You know what I’m saying? The Suarez is most likely her next, you know, her first title defense. That’s that’ll be a tough fight. You know, I think if Suarez can get past Lamos, then Suarez is a problem for Durn. You know what I’m saying? So, we’ll see. Yeah. But, but this will be But the fight with Suarez will most definitely be. And even this fight with being a Janjoba. Janjado is also a grappler. You know, these fights favor Mackenzie Durn. You know what I’m saying? Like, these people want to go to the ground with Mackenzie Durn. Like, this this is where she wants to be. It’s it’s people who take Dur out of her element that beat her. You know what I’m saying? Like, you know, is she has she ever been beaten on the ground? No, she hadn’t been beaten on the ground. She hasn’t been outclassed on the ground like that. Unless I’m missing something, you know, unless I’m not remembering something. You know what I’m saying? So, like these two fighters right here that like to fight on the ground, it’s favorable for her. It’s favorable. It’s favorable for Durn. I mean, I have to say she could defend the belt a couple of times if you want me to be honest. Like, is if her next fight, let’s say her next fight is Suarez and she goes out there and Suarez takes her down and she subs Suarez, you know what I’m saying? And then her next her next fight is Yan Shaan and she gets Yan to the ground and subs Yan. Like, I mean, that’s possible. Yeah. Um, I think that between those two, like man, Suarez versus Durn, that would be a dangerous fight I think for both, but there’s a little bit more of a danger threat there from Durm just because of that close quarters fighting. I mean, like Jan I think will always be a tough style matchup for Durm. That’s if Jan is able to keep it standing for three or four or five rounds. But um when it comes to somebody she can always touch and put her hands on, that’s always a threat, you know, that’s always a threat for the other opponent. So um that’s a fight. Yeah. Like Suarez Dur, that one could be a title defense for her, you know. You know, like I don’t know. Yeah. So she Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say I don’t know what would awaken in in Durn if she won the belt, you know? Like if she did win the belt, it might turn her into a monster, you know. You just never know. Yeah. Yeah, you know, she could defend the belt twice and then lose the belt to Jillian Robinson in a bonafide jiu-jitsu match. So, you know what I’m saying? You know, defend her belt once or twice and and and and and get in there with the Savage, you know, and the Savage taps her in the second round, you know? I mean, it just it is what it is. All right. I knew that was if if Jillian if Jillian were to submit Mackenzie Durn, that would be crazy. And but the thing is the thing the thing about that fight is you literally have the two best grapplers in the division if you want to be honest. Like you got the two best represent. If anybody can if anybody can walk into a fight confident going to the ground with Mackenzie Dur, it’s Jillian Robertson. You know what I’m saying? It’s It’s literally Jillian. Maybe Tatiana Suarez is you know I don’t I don’t know if her jiu-jitsu is that good. You know what I’m saying? But if anybody can say they could if anybody can call out Mackenzie Dur to fight on the ground, it’s most definitely Jillian Robertson. And you know, and yes, they’re both jiu-jitsu girls, but their their styles are totally different on the ground. Like Jillian will frustrate you to the point where you make a mistake. And she can if Julian can force a mistake out of Mackenzie Durn like that’s crazy because that’s what that’s how Jillian beats girl she forces mistakes out of. So if she can for if she can force a mistake out of out of Mackenzie Durn that if she can get top position I’m getting chills thinking about it. If Julian can get top position on Mackenzie Durn and and and and do and be heavy on top of Durn, you know what I’m saying? And force a mistake out of Dur or start unleashing that that crazy ground and pound of Jillians. Like that is a wild scenario, you know. Um we said the two best grapplers, but shouldn’t there be three? Like aren’t we looking overlooking Ver? We overlooking Vera. Yes, I I and and accidentally, yes, I am overlooking, but I you know what I’m saying? Yes, Vera is there, too. Vera is there too. And this very well could be the type of fight that Go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, yeah, don’t forget because you know Vera, she took Lay Mosa’s arm home. She did. Yes, she did. Yes, she did. And but this fight could play out differently than the first fight did. It could like completely completely different. You know, if they go to the ground, I want to see I want to see I really want to see if Vera can hang though. Like is Vera’s jiu-jitsu like I know her jiu-jitsu is that good, but is her jiu-jitsu that good though? I think it is like I think some of the people that she been up against just had because you got to think I think overall they have her and Dur might be maybe one Vera might be like one shy submission under Durn, you know. um remember of checking you know I think that they might be neck and neck with submissions and I’m looking at Vera like I expect fighters like Marina or Angela to survive at some point because their submission defense is solid like they get taken down they you know they be squirming big time so um I think they kind of have two sim different styles when they get to the ground like I think during her jiu-jitsu now in MMA Hey, like she works ground and pound a little bit better whereas I think Vera kind of swarms you and she looks for position more, you know? Yes. And that’s where it might get interesting if it go to the ground this time. Like you might see uh Dur hammer fisting more, hitting that body or head, whereas Vera is going to be looking for more control. So, um I think it’s all in who makes the mistake in that moment. Like if if Durn loosens her up, maybe bust her up a bit, she could weaken her and submit her, but Vera might find the neck or something, you know, in her control time. Yep. Yep. So, I think yeah, the these they’re on like the same almost the same level, you know, then throw Jillian in there. So, yeah, I think those are your three best grapplers to me, you know. I think Vera’s earned that spot. Uh, True Beast. Yes. Jacqueline Amram is is is is right behind those three for sure. Um, come up. Yeah. But, you know, you know, but as far as Oh, I I even forgot what we were even talking about. I forgot what the topic of the conversation was. We didn’t went so far off of the deep end. Yeah. We brought up Oh, what kind of champion Dur would be. Yeah. Uhhuh. Um, we’ll just have to see, man. We have to see how she looks before we make that before we make that assumption. These these are just assumptions. These are no possibilities in my head. You know what I’m saying? But let’s see how she looks and that’ll really tell us what you know if she wins what kind of champion we’re looking at. But I don’t see Dur turning away a fight with anybody though. You know, maybe maybe Whey Lee, she did say that comment about Way Lee. You know, I’m not ready to fight Way Lee. That’s just Dur being honest. You know what I’m saying? But way has earned the right for people to talk about her in that way. I’m not ready to fight her. You know what I’m saying? But you know, anybody else, I whoop their ass, though. Like that’s pretty much what Durn said. You know what I’m saying? But if but you know, if Dur actually gets that strap and Wayley says, “Oh, let’s say Way loses to Valentina and she wants to come back down to 115, they’re going to give her a title shot.” You know what I’m saying? Like Dur will will make sure she’s ready for that fight. She ain’t gonna pull a Nico Montano on us. I ain’t even gonna talk about that. You said she ain’t gonna pull Oh yeah, man. We got to save that for maybe a little later cuz I didn’t watch it yet. I I Yeah, you gotta watch that. Okay. Yeah, I pulled it up. I saw it on there. What’s it called? Warrior Spirit or something. Yeah, Warrior Spirit. Y’all gota Listen, if y’all got Prime Video, Amazon Prime Video. Yeah. Warrior Spirit, the Nico Montano documentary is on there and I feel some type of way about it. Okay. But it’s ve but it’s very compelling though. Like it’s very like it’s easy for I feel like a lot of people failed Nico. I’m just going to put it like that. Like I feel like a lot of people failed Nico. M um you know I know he’s he want to see that’s his girl you know he was a fan of Nico for real I was a big I was a big Nico fan too dude like I was a big fan of that season of tough dude like Montana and Jillian and Nico yeah Roxy like I was a huge fan so that was like was a big fan of Roxy though I think no I’m serious is I think he is right. Yeah. Yeah. Um I think he is you know but but Nico But I have to do I do have to say though like Nico did she was cutting the weight. She was cutting the weight but Nico Nico Nico body was messed up though. Like her body was messed up. You y’all just have to watch it. Y’all y’all really just have to watch it. But I do feel some type of way about some of the things that were said in the video. You know I mean in in the documentary. But we’ll talk more about it after you’ve watched it. Okay. Yeah, when I’m watching. Yeah, we’ll definitely um we gonna definitely speak on that. Um but yeah, I think Dur Oh, I was going to I was just Yeah, I was just throw Yeah, I think that Durm she definitely may be this wild card right now. And if she was to win, like I said, she could get this belt. She could. But I gota she got to prove me wrong. You know, like I always say, she got to prove me wrong. But if she do, I’m I’m I’m going to be like, “Hey, I had to we need it.” You know, if she proves me wrong, we need it. We need somebody that can get in there and take over. And I’m sure she has her hit list, you know, because everybody that’s going to be a title defense aside from Suarez is going to be a rematch for it, you know. So, her work’s going to be cut out for it, too, if she’s to win the belt. U Do you think Vera was That’s That’s the next question. Do you think Vera though, do you think she would be a dominant champion? Yeah, I do. I do. I think Vera would be, you know, but Vera’s a champion though. You know what I’m saying? Like Vera’s a champion. She was the Invicta champion. Like, you know what I’m saying? Like, she knows what it’s like to be a champion, you know. So, you know, I got to give I got to give that that part of it to Vera, man. You know, and she works hard. Like, Vera done put in some work since coming into the UFC, you know what I’m saying? and her goal ever since she was the invict champion was to come into the UFC and become the champion. So, you know, I think Vera will fight with the heart of a champion for sure. There’s no doubt in my mind whatsoever that if Vera wins this belt that she wouldn’t fight like a champion. They both are g They’re both gonna fight like a champion. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think Yeah. Two beasts, he agrees, too. Yeah. Since she fought most of the top five. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. All right. Um, last thing, BJ, because I we’ll be talking about this fight anyways, but just one more question for you on this one. Uh, this fight coming up, you know, the main one against uh Way Lee, Valentina and Way Lee, man. Like, do you think Way Lee is making a mistake by not fighting someone else at 125 first? Like I know she was a champion and everything but when you look at other fighters like Rose kind of struggling now and like how it benefited Graasso like do you think because of way’s championship aura as a two-time champion and defended so many times that that kind of helps her skip a level just absolutely yes absolutely 100%. But I think that Wayi is all about like Wayley’s a ninja, man. You know what I’m saying? Like she’s she’s a ninja. Like, you know what I’m saying? There’s no task too too too tall for Wayi. You know what I’m saying? Like she’s she’s built for this. You know what I’m saying? You know, that’s what she wants. She wants the best. She wants to fight the best. She wants to challenge herself. You know what I’m saying? That’s what makes these wins so great for people like Amanda Nunees when she went up and knocked out Cyborg at 145. You know what I’m saying? Like clearly Cyborg had the size advantage and Cyborg is Cyborg, you know what I’m saying? And the man of Nunees goes up there and waxes her like that. Like it can always happen, you know? Um, but way’s a champion for a reason. She’s a champion just like Valentina’s a champion. You know what I’m saying? If you’re a champion, you can call yourself the best of the best. You know, you’re the you’re you’re the top 1%. Yeah. You know what I’m saying? So, you know, she can go up and you know, she deserves this challenge. Like Valentina is a challenge all the way around. You know what I’m saying? So, you know, it’ll be even better if she wins, but Valentina is also recognizing Wayi as a challenge. You know what I’m saying? Like Wayi is not going to be something that Valentina’s I don’t think Valentina’s going to dispatch way like that. It’s going to be a good fight. It’s going to be a good fight. Yeah, I think so, too. Yeah, I agree. Because I know sometimes we think, okay, if a person moves up, like I was just thinking about that today, too, like, okay, maybe she could have fought somebody else. But the thing is, like she’s still she’s still a champion. Like it’s not like she lost the belt and chose to move up like Rose was in that position. And you know, Rose, like Rose might have those wins over way Lee, but we Lee’s like mindset is just different, you know, like Yep. They’re two different kinds of champions. Like Rose is good in her own way, but I see like way le shooting for greatness in a different way, you know, like where like some people say it’s it’s a little more inconsistent with Rose. You don’t know if Rose is going to show up sometimes, right? That’s true. I think in every single fight way Lee’s fought like she’s shown up. Even the fights that she lost to Rose like she showed up. Yeah. Every single fight. Yeah. been different where it’s been a little different with Rose. So, her coming up, nah, she would have to fight. She would have to fight somebody. Same thing with Grasso cuz yeah, Grasso wasn’t strawweight champion, you know. So, right, she kind of had to jump in the mix at 125 and fight some people, you know, you fought Macy Aruo and then prove that she belonged there where way having a belt for so long way is like, hey, let me fight your best, you know. So yeah, exactly. What about this man? Like do you think if Mano had beat Valentina, do you think Way Lee would have moved up to fight her? No. No. No. She’ have took a fight with Val a non- championship fight with Valentina. I think I think she just want to fight. I think Way want to fight Valentina because when Alexa Graasso was champion, you didn’t hear Wayley calling out Grao. Yeah, they were locked in a trilogy, but still Wley wasn’t holling about Graasso. So, right. It’s more of a name thing. You think name name? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that’s that’s why I was kind of thinking too. I was like, I wonder if she gonna do that like when that belt like when she gonna come up to 125, she probably be like, nope, next fight Vern is in the room. Yeah, that’s true, man. Um, but you I see you in the thing here. you put in um you got a picture of Melissa Gado and Casey O’Neal. Is that fight rumored? Well, that’s a fight that uh Melissa Gado asked for, you know, I I hit her up on IG. I asked her, you know, like when she fighting again, you know, she said hopefully soon because, you know, she’s been training and um you know, this is a fight she asked for because, you know, it’s a ranked opponent and she know Casey needs a fight so she wants it. Um, I like to talk it up because yeah, I want to see both of them return, you know, like, yeah, it’s about Casey to come back, too. Casey’s young, but it’s like, man, like come on. Like, when’s your next fight? Like, you you you’re in the top 15, you know? So, we just can’t keep going around you saying, “Okay, like, okay, Miranda here. Who she fighting?” Kareem. No. Well, Casey, you got a spot. It’s been August 17th was her last fight over year. Yeah, time’s been flying. So, um Yeah. Yeah. Dag, man. UFC 305. So, that was something I was talking up, man, because she wants it. So, maybe Casey will acknowledge, man. Like, what do you think? No, that’s a that’s a good fight, man. You know, it’s it’s a good comeback fight for O’Neal. Um you know, Melissa Melissa Gado’s looking to get back in there. It’s been a when the last time we saw God like you know what I’m saying like when’s Yeah. Let me see. She fought cuz she was fighting up at She was fighting up at 135. Wasn’t she fought at 135 against that girl Vid Doll. She stopped her I believe. Yeah. She stopped that girl. That was Yeah, that it was longer. It was May. It was May of 2024. Yeah. When she fought Tamir Fid. Yeah, it’s been it’s been a minute. It’s been a minute since she fought at Flyweight. She her she took two losses in a row to Tracy Cortez Tracy Cortez and Arian Lipsky at flyways. So yep. Um and then she went up and stopped Tamir Vidal. That’s right. Um I don’t know man. You know she she gonna have to I mean she’s only got two other fights. They’re wins win over Victoria Leonardo and Sajara Eubanks. So she’s got four fight four flyweight fights. She’s two and two at flyweight and one and0 at bantamweight. So, and I will give a a pass, too, because she was going to fight Dudakoba one time last year, but Dudakoba pulled a similar situation to how the Aaron and Macy fight went. Like, as they were wrapping hands, Dudaka pulled out of the fight, so that left Yeah, I do. I kind of remember that. Yeah. Yeah, I kind of remember that. Um, but Casey O’Neal, man, you know, coming back, I want to see how she looks. I want to see if she still got that same like and whatever injury she’s had. I hope it’s not slowed her down. I want to see if she comes out with that same pace. You know what I’m saying? But she looked it I loved how she looked in the Lana Santos fight. Like I loved the patience. I loved the length. I loved everything. I loved the range, how she was fighting. I loved it. Um but Melissa Gado’s a little more tougher in there. Like she’s a little more grittier than um Luana Santos. So, you know, this fight could get gritty. You know, it could turn into a dog fight cuz Melissa God like she she comes to fight. I got to give her them those props. Like Melissa Gado comes to fight. Uh I was I was so ready to put her in my triple threat too, man. But that was like I think the first one or second one. But yeah, I was ready to put her in there after fight after the Cortez fight. But when she wind up losing, I was like I can’t now. Yeah. Um but it’ll be a good fight, man. You know, we’ll see how they both look coming back. Yeah. Yeah. Um that would be good. So hopefully the UFC throws that her way. You know, those are their ways. I don’t I really don’t want to see I really don’t want to see either one of them on their return get into a gritty dog fight. You know what I’m saying? Like I don’t want to see that. Like I want to see them win and kind of, you know, get the get back into it and not, you know, be at the risk of taking much injuries. But these two might go in there. These two might go in there and bang it out if they get, you know, if this fight gets made. Yeah, because it’s been so long. They want to go in there. But my thing, I’m like you like, yeah, I want to see them go patient because I want to see where they grown, you know? I really grown. But yeah, man. Hopefully they make that thing happen. Um, other than that, bro, I mean, like, shoot, we think we talked about everything on here, man. Like, anything else you had to jump on or say? No, man. Uh, we we covered all we covered all uh bases here. You know what I’m saying? So, we’re going to watch this. We got this Sam Hugh, Shauna Bannon fight, uh, this week, and then next week we got the Suarez and Limos fight. So, we got some things some of the stuff that we’ve been talking about is starting to, you know, get on through the conveyor belt. So, um, yeah, I’m just excited to watch, man. And once again, thanks everybody for getting getting your boy to 1,000 subscribers, you guys watching, you guys comment, you guys liking, that’s just putting my channel more and more out there. So, I I appreciate y’all doing that for me. Y know, I’m not big on subscribers and stuff like that, but, you know, it’s a nice little milestone and I appreciate you guys. So, for sure. Yeah, definitely, man. Definitely. Um, definitely gonna keep it growing, man. Because, uh, like I said, got some of the best interviews out there. So, yeah. Yes, sir. Also, uh, just a heads up, uh, the Shauna and Sam fight is at 12 noon Eastern time. I’m off. Good. It’s the first fight on the card, just so you know. It’s the first fight on the card. So, I’ll be I’ll be up and ready by 12 noon to be watching. So, I’m I’m good. Okay, cool. Yeah, cuz I might sleep in somewhat, but yeah, I’m I’m going to jump up for the fight. So, yeah. Yes, sir. Did I miss Aaron and Tracy? Um, we didn’t talk about it. We didn’t talk about it. We still got a little ways to go for that fight, but yeah. Yeah, we good. But yeah, on that note, mate, uh, BJ, I I will um, another good show, first of all. Good show, man. Absolutely. What week is this, man? Like what week is this? Got to be week 28 if this is 14. So yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. 28 weeks of the matchup. Yes, sir. Hey, we gonna have some Hey, you gonna have some good clips coming out of this one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I’m g, you know, send them your way. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right, bro. Well, u I’ll catch you in 14 days. You know it, man. Peace out. Peace. All right, y’all. Hit that like button and subscribe as always. Appreciate y’all for coming through for another mashup. And yeah, again, congrats to BJ hitting that 1K mark. Keep on going over there to subscribe and uh we’ll catch you in yeah, two weeks. And peace.