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As a golfer, days like today don’t come much better. I’m at Callaway Golf headquarters for a custom fitting to test out the latest golf equipment and see what new golf clubs end up in my golf bag. Today’s custom fitter is Luke, and he’s going to take us through the fitting process and get me into the best possible irons for my golf game. Before we get into the video, please do consider hitting that subscribe button if you enjoy the content. Let’s get into it. New irons are out. Yes. And I’ve come to update my Apex Pros. Yeah. What have we got? So, AI50 now. So, coming as a direct replacement for that. Uh 1020 forged hollow body iron. Kind of taking what is the chassis of our TCB, so our tour model rather than the AI200. Making it more compact and smaller. So, you’re going to get basically better performance through the turf out of this type of head now as well. Updated looks. You know, we’re moving more in the direction of the rest of the line. So, keeping it nice and progressive. been really really solid so far when I’ve had fittings and testing. So, should be exciting to see the comparison. And this is the direct replacement to the Pro to the Pro from Yeah. I haven’t even seen it yet. Land it across. Okay. So, a bit of shine on there. Bit of matte out look on the back as well from the top. Is that a bit more squatted than mine? I I’d say yeah, it definitely looks a little bit shallower from the top end. I think the finish is helping that as well. Where we were full satin previous, I think the kind of more shiny look to the top line definitely thins it out a little bit. Yeah. But as I say, basing this off TCB, the kind of model that ZB Blade is using has really helped the shaping and actually when you hit it, the feel off this iron is much much better than maybe previous editions as well. So no Apex Pro anymore. We’ve got AI 150. AI 15. Okay. And what’s the other model as AI 200? Yep. So you’ve got 300 which is our largest kind of more offset most forgiving. Then you drop to the 200. There is now a new iron in between those called the TI 250 or the TI 250. That’s kind of its own world uh which is just a bigger version of the Fusion. Yeah. Then you drop from 200 into the 150. Uh and then below that currently it’s CB and MB below there. So So are you seeing like combo sets with these going up to the bigger models than the longer? Really good question. in this iron actually we don’t have to do that. So what they’ve done is the face design in the core iron. So you’re talking kind of six iron down to pitching wedge a wedge is what we call a 17-4. So that’s kind of a standard AI face that we use. Good at generating spin and a lot of consistency. Yeah. But most golfers in this head still want that extra bit of help and launch when they go kind of five iron up. So we actually go into our 455 face cup which is kind of wraps underneath the bottom of the head. Gives you more launch, more ball speed. So you don’t almost need to combo these because you’ve got face design that’s progressive. Yeah. Yeah. In the longer irons to help you with that issue of maybe launch or or some forgiveness. So So I What am I I got longer chunky ones in my bag. Yeah. Have a look. The UTS. Yeah. Yeah. So am I going to be staying in this as well? Do you think then? I think the idea for us with the 150 is to try and keep the sets completely together. I like that cuz I’m a bit OCD. Yeah. Now, if you need like the lower lower lofts, so we’re talking anything sub let’s say free iron, then the UT’s there. But yeah, for the moment that’s going to be what we’d recommend the whole way through. I’m thinking like seven would nine wood. And that’s that’s where I think most players should, right? Do you see that a lot? Like you you said you’ve done like two custom fits already before me here. Yeah. Yeah. Like you must be stopping at because of lofts as well at like six five iron loft. A lot of the time, yeah, five iron is kind of where we go to. Yeah. And I would say way more players now, hope, good thing is on tour it’s happened. Yeah. Are putting in the nines and the sevens and are more open to that idea. Yeah. You know, ninewood for the right player is a miracle worker. Yeah. They’re way easier to hit. The golfer that’s been a long iron player all their life, aren’t you? And stuff, which I understand. and they’ll say that you hit it better and now you can’t do hybrids and nine woods and stuff. But like you say, the mass market out there, mass people watching this video, ninewood, sevenwoods, like roll and bulge, all that sort of stuff, just designed to help you get that ball launching, get it curving back to target when you miss strike it, all those sorts of things. So, yeah, maybe we’ll stop at a five. We don’t know. I’ve got a fivewood in my bag and I was thinking about a seven. So, um we’ll see how we go. Let me hit them. Yeah, they look great. Like, um you match my shaft. Yeah, I basically matched your spec as close as possible. So, loft and and shafts and lengths are all matched up here. So, right. Nice clip to it. What do you want me to do? Like hit a certain amount? Yeah. So if we hit four or five and then we can kind of dive into what we’re seeing and then jump back into yours if we need to and we can kind of compare. Right. Are you seeing any distance changes with these to to be honest? Yes. I’ve actually seen a bit of an increase. Now the standard loft of this head has changed. Okay. So the standard loft has come down a little bit. So we were 33 in pro. It’s actually 31 here. Okay. Now when I asked you know when I first saw the specs I asked and said like okay why have we done this and the argument is that basically a lot of the other brands in this world sit at that kind of loft for this type of head so we wanted to align up with them but on the other side of that as well is they felt what they’ve done with AI design in the face and the chassis we’re actually generating some good spin rates and what I have seen is the spin even at a lower loft is doing very well here now I have cranked this back up to try and give us the best comparison to what you’re currently playing so this is up to 33°. So, it’s set the same as your current iron. Um, but I just wanted to see there. Interesting. We have seen on those two a little bit of a yardage jump, but we’ll see, you know, when you hit a few more. Nice. But it’s uh No, it’s a good improvement what they’ve made. Cool. Is there anything that you’d say jumps out to you when you’re hitting them in comparison? The sound. It definitely sounds slightly different. More of a clip to it than my ones that sound more soft and 4G, would you say? Yeah. Mine again, I’ve got thick grips on mine, which this hasn’t. So, a feel aspect is a little bit different straight away because what I’m holding is slightly different. Yeah. Um, shaftwise and stuff, the weight of it all feels very similar. Definitely a cliff, isn’t there? That’s a nice strike and kind of a shot that I would expect it to be. Yeah. 170 something like that distance with strike probably if I’m matching loss with my club. If I was to look at your data here just between the two and we’re looking at averages there of a similar kind of strike. It’s interesting where okay, there’s a smidge less spin so far on these shots. So, we’re down a few revs. Yeah. Um but actually the launch and the ball speeds are still very good. So, it’s actually launching a hair higher. You know, only a few degree point of a degree. Yeah. Ball speed is up though. So, something that Modern Head’s doing very well is quite efficient across the face. So, we’re at 122 ball speed against let’s call it 121. So, we’re up a little bit there. And actually on a yardage base, we’re maybe up three or four yards carry just in that iron. Now, we’re not trying to change the world here because we’re still aiming this at the same type of player. We’re just trying to get incremental gains through the design of the technology, which is what we’re kind of seeing. And it’s what I’m seeing a lot of my fittings. You know, it’s a slightly better looking head at the golf ball. Feels slightly more, as you say, of a firmer clip to it, more like you maybe associate with your CBMB type club, but then we’re still with the forgiveness and the and the balancing of what the numbers are giving you. So, I’ve been really really happy with this head so far in the fitting sense. and and it’s doing a very good job for the type of player. We kind of tag this our fastest players iron. It’s there for speed but still with that look and that feel you’re aimed for. So there’s a lot of golfers, decent golfers and aspirational golfers in that kind of mid-team to lower handicap where this just falls perfectly into their hands. They want something that’s nice looking in their bag as well. Like no clubs, but not like blades that are pretty hard and scary to look down at. You’ve still got that really nice top line look. Like you can’t see any of the back out the back. I reckon even in five iron and stuff like that, you won’t be able to see it. So, it’s going to look smart and like that player’s eye, which like you say, lots of those mid high single figures, mid handicaps want to have the ambition to use something like this. And even your even your older low handicap golfers, those golfers that used to be the, you know, the best golfers at your club that just put a bit of age on and maybe have lost some speed that like a good-looking club but don’t have the power. The amount of golfers I see walking here where that’s just in their hands straight away and they they like what it’s doing. Yeah. Yeah. It’s so good, which was what the Pro used to be, but I think if anything, this is now doing that job better for those guys. As I say, because of the chassis we’re building off, you get that bezled out front edge, so it almost wants to work into the turf. So, when I’ve hit these on grass, the big thing I noticed is actually turf interaction. Yeah. It really likes to just work through like a better iron would do, whereas that was always my main critique of the Pro. I liked it, but just turf interaction wasn’t as good as a club that should be in that area. It’s kind of like uh like wedge, isn’t it? Yeah, exactly right. It’s got like a C kind of shaped grind at the front of it there. Yeah, 100%. You’re bang on. Yeah. Using a bit of bounce there and then trying to get you down into the turf to begin with and work yourself back out on the back edge. So nice. You know, we do a bit of that in our Z grind in the platinum has that kind of same idea, you know, working you down into the ball. Tigers wedge grinds have always been like that. The initial front edge and then quite a bit of bounce on the back because Yeah. And mine doesn’t have that, does it? No, not as much. We’ll have a little bit of it, but nowhere near as pronounced as what you’ll see like properly seeing that in the light that I’m in here and everything. Like I can see that that literally looks like a wedge on the bottom of that. Um yeah, that’s interesting. I always find it like hard to talk about interaction with the ground and stuff. Um I find it really hard to feel these kind of things and especially when you’re on the golf course, you’re in so many different types of lies and things, aren’t you? back. It’s going to be different with each shot, but if there is something there that’s maybe helping you just that tiny bit, like every golfer is looking for small margins that going to help them improve a little bit, aren’t they? So, if it’s there, like cool. Um, and if you can feel it, great as well. Another good strike. That’s like 170 probably. That’s longer than that. 175. And and what I’d like to point out there is it’s still spun at 6,700. So it’s not like we’re taking spin away. We’re trying to keep that spin. You know, the big focus on this is it’s not just distance orientated. We want the control. Yeah. Cuz like rule of thumb is like whatever number is on the bottom of the club is the thousands of revs that you want. Is it 7 will be 7,000? And you’re like cranking that 31 which is like old money. I’m no club geek, but that’s probably six iron. Yeah, something like that. Could then be 6,000 revs and that’s still spinning really well, isn’t it? Yeah, for sure. And you’re getting that ball speed. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of ball speed. Hollow body is just great at doing that. Perhaps I’m not an AI 300 player just yet. Still got it. I would say you’re going to be fine. That’s really solid, isn’t it? Yeah. It’s consistently just that four yards up from where we average in with yours. And yeah, it’s spinning really nicely and it’s just I had a few funky strikes on my one. Like if you took out a few of the outliers, the 151, that’s just horrible. Yeah, I’ll go I’ll get rid of the 163 and then we had a 161 in ours. So take that one out. Take the 158 out of our lap as well. Yeah, they are about three between spin rate like the spin rate are pretty much identical. Mhm. And the standard deviations are overlapping. Um your yours is all lined up different to mine. I have to try and work out where is ball speeds. Look at it. Ball speed like that’s up there, isn’t it? And even with standard deviations, that’s faster. Yeah. Interesting. And what and five yards carry. Interesting. For me as well in the fitting world, we’re looking at kind of peak heights. The ball’s going a little bit higher as well. So, the misconception is that, oh, oh, you know, they’ve just knocked the flight out of it and made it go further. Well, actually, no, it’s the opposite. Still going higher to a better yardage as well. So, in theory, more control in the in the shorter clubs as well. Yeah, that’s interesting. So, if I’m looking at that as a fitter, I’m going, well, that’s bang on the numbers. You know, we’re in the right spin window. We’re getting a good height. It’s coming. Yeah, it’s coming in from a good height as well. Nice and steep. So, you got a lot of control. Yeah. With a little bit of extra yardage, you know, it’s just ticking every box that we’d be looking for. I guess when I get these, the loft will be the 31. Well, we it could be put as the same as my old one. Build them to spec. Yeah, we we could go 33 and and do it that way, you know, and and see because the only the only worry about that for me is when I get down to wedges, like I’d have to put another one in, wouldn’t I? Kind of thing. Well, in theory, no. So, the pitching wedge of this set is 44, but if we’re weakening it by two degrees like we have here, yeah, you’re at 46. So, I’m in the stronger lofts, then I have to put something else in. I don’t really want to do that. Like, I know 58 52 wedge is kind of like my your goto stops kind of thing. Then, if I work from there, that’s how I kind of like it to work. Yeah. And if we were to go two degrees stronger, would it be two degrees stronger on the wedge or would it be like gradual? No, it’s all done platform. So yeah, obviously where we’re kind of currently 33 there would be 46 in pitching wedge. If we were to then go the other way, as you say, 44 does bring in that gap the other way for you in this situation. Yeah. You’d look at your launch angles and go, you know, we’ll we’ll try it and see what happens because you might be surprised, you know, we don’t we don’t know. So, let’s try putting it back to just completely standard. Yeah. And see what happens. This going to go like five yards more again. Or maybe a bit further. Bit more than that. Yeah. We might see 180 creep up on the screen at one point, which is all good. Again, like I don’t mind it if my seven iron goes that distance. I just need to understand that it goes that distance. But when I get to my wedge, I’m like taking too much off it now to find that gap between my 52 and that pitching wedge. Absolutely. We do as much work as possible with CG placement and face design to try and negate that issue. Yeah. But it is going to be you can’t beat loft. Loft is a very, you know, regimented thing that will do what it does. So we can do as much as we want, but especially when you get down into smaller heads, you can’t move that weight around as much. Yeah. So that’s why like in drivers and stuff, you can kind of get away with it and you can take some loft out and do some funny things. But yeah. Yeah. When you get into a pitching wedge, it’s, you know, put a bit of loft on there. Well, that felt like powerful. So, there you go. 180, right? So, put my cap on now. Wasn’t a bad shout. I started doing some more course logs again with Mark Rosfield like the old days. And if I get a seminar and like pass him like that, then that’s good fun, is it? So, there’s another side of me that thinks I’ll have that distance and then not worry about more. Well, what’s what’s interesting, right, is again, we look at ball flights and and because the ball speeds are so much higher at the lower loft and it still spun very well, like only 63. Yeah. It’s still hit 100 ft. So, in theory, that’s still gone higher than the average of your current irons. Now, I know you struck it well, but it’s interesting there, isn’t it? Where the design of what that’s trying to do at the standard loft is still working in terms of fly. It’s still going to stop. It’s just the other one’s going to be even more controlled and even better. Yeah. But yeah, I mean cranked it up like that’s 13 yards against you. Something like that. It’s quite a big difference. A club and a half. It is basically a club, isn’t it? Like the loft and the Yeah. Yeah. Staff. Oh yeah. It just feels like meaty consistent though. Yeah. Very 180 180. So, if you can keep that distance up and the spin up, then you’re you’re doing well. Yeah, you’re doing really well. Putting yourself in a great spot. Yeah, that I can see the lofts being taken off there. But again, top line looks good. Yeah. Oh, that’s so straight. Still good though, isn’t it? I mean, that’s still 64 spin. Still got to 102 ft. Yeah. So in the fitting world that is still well good enough to play on a golf course but as we said why not just crank the loft give yourself even more consistency and that’s where a fitter you should have that discussion you know I’d always push people to say you know your game better than your fitter will do. Yeah. Unless it’s your coach. Yeah. So the reality is talk to them about what you do on the course and for you saying I get worried about that shot. I don’t even look at that’s great. I just go right let’s get some spin in there. Golf ball as well. We’re using the X ball. I’d stay where you are. That’s a good golf ball. Looking at the numbers here. Um, but no, it’s doing a really solid job. And the reality is if you look at your shafts and how you’re performing, this is a good setup fitwise. And this is a great example where just bringing in some new technology is just giving you that little bit extra. Yeah. You don’t always have to change shaft every fitting. It’s something I try and say to people is like just because you’re here for a new set of clubs doesn’t mean you need new set shafts. Yeah. Yeah. Um, which I see all the time because I changed these in my last fit. I was just project X, you know, like rifle. So yeah, standard ones. Um, this was put in and I could just feel the head loads more because it kind of felt like the weight went down there. Yeah, you got a bit bit less weight in the shaft end on that on the IO than you do the rifle. So So shaft wise, are we sticking with that? For me as well as a fitter, if I see no issues with strike and dispersion, and you know, the shaft is the steering wheel. It’s it’s just a tool to get the club in the right position. Yeah. Yeah, if the club’s getting into the right position and you feel comfortable, I don’t need to mess around with that side of things. Obviously, we’re doing some head dialing in, which is where again, I’m looking at going right, more loft, that’s going to be better. But here, plus two degrees of loft at standard length in that shaft seems to be doing the money, you know, numbers. So, you would go 33. Yeah. If I was to go 31. Yeah. What’s the club’s makeup? Is it free to a wedge, three to pitching wedge? What are they? Um, so I mean in terms of what’s available in the clubs. Yeah. Like if someone was coming in here, can they get an a wedge? Like if that gap between the um their gap wedge and pitching wedge is too much. Yeah, 100%. So we do free to a wedge in the 150. Um, so 150 a wedge will be I’m going to say top of my head 49 or 48. What is it? It’s 49. I was correct first time. That’s right. So if I went stronger Yeah. just to win it further on the course. Yes. Um and I went to a wedge. Yeah. At 49, then I could go 54 58, couldn’t I? Mhm. In theory. Yeah. Sure. Or 53 58. Yeah. And if obviously we did the other way, we bent it to 33 and the seven and it became a 51 degree awedge, you’d probably just do the split, you know. Yeah, I’ve got I’ve got 52 and that’s probably fine. Yeah. So, you probably wouldn’t do the the A and you just go to pitching wedge. Oh, choices choices. Now, you could go down the middle and go one degree extra, you know, extra loft. Give yourself maybe 70, you know, five yards extra uh and still a bit of spin, which we can again we can try. So, we can see 49 in the A wedge, one degree strong would be 48. And then I go 52 58. Sorry, weaker even. We go one degree weaker. Sorry, weaker. Yeah. So, we would basically go one degree more offer and then go to a 50 degree in the a wedge and then 54 58. Yeah. Which would almost be a better blend and you still get your benefit of a little bit extra yardage. So, that’s your middle point. Maybe it’s that, isn’t it? Let’s try it. So, I can crank to one. It to one and this will probably go 175. Yeah, 175 is what we would maybe expect. So, so this is 32. Yeah, correct. So 32 degrees. We’ve just added only one degree off rather than two here just to check. And this is going to go 175 on the line. Bang. That’s the one. Okay. 174. Yeah. 3 of a yard. Pretty straight. You’re 7 short. I’ll give you that. And the spin’s crept up a smidge as well. Yeah. Just cuz of that loft. Exact. Exactly. You’re right. And it’s come up about what we’d expect. Half a degree in launch, spins up actually quite a bit of revs on that shot. So, that was a really good one. Um, so the argument would be, yeah, we go one degree of extra loft, but no more than that. And then that gives you a really nice blending through top of the bag and I get an a wedge. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Correct. So, we basically go pitching wedge will be 45, then you’ll have a wedge at 50. So, there’s a 5 degree gap between those, but then you can just do your normal split 54, 58, and then you’re sorted. Yeah. So, it’s nice and easy that way. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you very much, Luke. How long will they take? Couple of days for me. I’d reckon we can go in the thingy now and get them. Yeah, we can start building them up. Yeah, that’s fine. I’ll do that. That’s great. They’re nice and uh Yeah, I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much.
8 Comments
Stay with last year's Apex Pros! Underrated. Or the X Forged Max this year .. should steal traffic from all the numbered series this year.
Interesting that you only fit the 7-iron. Wouldn’t adding a 4-iron and the Wedge make sense to check flight windows and height for consistency?
Great fitting.. This Friday I'm going for an iron fitting and I'll be comparing these Callaway AI 150's to my gamer Titleist 2021 T100S irons and also Mizuno JPX 925 Forged. My T100S irons have a sharp leading edge and at least one time per round from a tight fairway lie, i dig them into the turf and come up just short of the green… Love the feel & forgiveness of my T100S irons but can definitely use the forgiveness on the soles from either the 925 Forged and the AI 150's. Maybe a change coming.
"The launch is up by a decimal of a degree from the old one" 🙄
Love to be able to afford new clubs, but at today’s prices not a chance. 🤣🤣
Only thing I don't like about the Halo body to irons is they have a sound it's kind of like the old ping putter not as loud as that but similar
Did you try the new Callaway X Forged Irons?
Didn't know mason mount done fittings!
Got these coming next week in graphite mmt 95 shafts. Only problem is my 7 irons go 190 so hoping my new shafts and heads help me out.