DEBATE: Tiger Woods or Jack Nicklaus? Hal Sutton Weighs In
Hal Sutton’s two most impactful victories came in head-to-head duels against golf’s greatest: Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods. In this clip, Sutton reflects on those battles, breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of both legends and sharing his thoughts on who was tougher to beat.
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If Jack played today his chipping and sand play would be worlds better than it was back then because it would have to be to be competitive.
Career for career, Jack wins. The first ten years of their career after major #1, Tiger wins. End of.
Jack is #1….Tiger blew his chance by changing his swing 3 times and trying to bang every waitress from Palm Beach to Jupiter Florida
I’m 53 so only really remember Jack’s last major. Tiger has more pga tour wins he was leading money winner more times than Jack but the only statistic that counts is 18 to 15. If they both played at their peak I have no doubt Tiger would win. However Jack is the greatest Tiger no.2 Jones 3rd Hogan 4th. The most underrated player in history has to be Hagen.
18 majors and 19 runners up. Jack is the best, and even Tiger knows it.
Jack.
Hal's talk reminds me of the best golf book I've ever read, Golf the Great Revealer. I felt like it was too expensive when I bought it but after reading it, and making some changes in the way I practice, I would have paid ten times that amount because I went from a 22 hdcp to a 7 hdcp in one year.
It goes into how each golfer can play the closest to their potential by becoming a mental fortress on the course. Trust me on this, every golfer should read that book… three times! I bought the Kindle version, liked it so much, bought several paperback versions, and then gave them to friends and family. Then I got the audio version so I could listen to it on the way to work everyday.
One warning though, all woke people will hate the book because it exposes how the woke attitude sabotages almost anything a person tries to do well. One of my friends who is very liberal told me that he stopped reading it because he felt like the author didn't understand what woke is really about. Never in the book does it go into any kind of politics but it does expose how people handicap themselves with wrong thinking patterns. The author does mention how the woke attitude is destroying lives.
I wish the book would've been available when i was young because it literally changed my life and made me a much stronger golfer. Listening to it frequently has helped me see so many things I missed out on while reading it previously. That is why I got the audio version. I tried to buy the audio version from Amazon but there is only one store I know of that sells the audio version, BookBaby!
Now I will tell you why I tell so many people about the book. I have gotten much more out of it by discussing different chapters with my friends who have read it because they saw things I didn't. It is the most thought provoking book I have ever read.
Hal is exactly right they were both great in their own era. Maybe if we’re lucky, we will see another great player such as them too and today we’re seeing one in Scotty Scheffler
In addition to his victories, Mr Nicklaus finished second 19 times in majors…. no one is close to that record, and Jack did it in a time when there were many greats playing the game….
Hal looking good. Great analysis!
If I could pick only one aspect of golf to be exceptional at it would be to be able to stick a long iron 10 feet from the hole on the green. Long iron play is the most underrated and overlooked aspect of golf. Unfortunately in today's game, it is all but forgotten in the bomb, pitch, and putt game. If you can maintain a good ball striking and scoring long and mid-iron game, a person could play golf at a high level until they basically can't walk or see anymore.
18-19 GOAT
Halimony Sutton, LOL. Worst Ryder Cup lead ever. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
If Tiger hadn't fucked up his personal life he would have broken Jack's majors record years ago.
Jack has those 18 majors 20 if you include the ametuers… Tiger won in a more dramatic and never seen before dominating fashion but only 15 and 18…
Methodical vs Magical but both great.
Love Jack Nicklaus, but to me, any comparison between him and Tiger Woods has to consider their relative strength of fields. Nicklaus competed against a much smaller group of players, especially early in his career. There were very few golfers from Asia and South America. Africa was represented by Gary Player. Even Europeans comprised a small minority. Tiger Woods, on the other hand, competed against a huge international pool of players from every corner of the globe. That's not to say Nicklaus wouldn't have bested Tiger if their careers had crossed, but I think Woods faced a much steeper level of competition. In short, Jack beat America, but Tiger beat the world . . .
There a reason tiger and jack give the same answer Hal just did. It’s dumb to compare things on what ifs. Those that want tiger to be #1 will dismiss the 18 majors and say he was only playing a bunch of old white guys and if you want it to be Jack you ignore tigers margins of victory. This is an argument for PLEBS.
Sutton should have won POY in 2000 for beating Tiger at TPC…that was epic.
Two unbelievable greats. So happy I got to see both play. And to see Hal play also.
Very insightful
Peak Seve would destroy peak woods head to head.
Seve was notorious for fearing where his ball went, of course.
This is the stat I was trying to find, from Brandel Chamblee…In their first 22 majors, Jack won 7,
Tiger won 8, Jack was +40, Tiger was
-81, for a difference of 121 strokes. In the 4 majors Tiger won in a row(2000-2001) he took 55 fewer
strokes than his nearest competitor. (Well, 2 stats)
The craziest thing I remember is when Tiger started his run Jack was interviewed and he said Tiger has a chance of breaking his records if he fixed his swing. He said if he didn't Tiger's body would break down in the exact way it did. The interviewer thought he was crazy. I can't believe Jack called it exactly!
Mr Nicklaus has 56 top five finishes in majors….just unreal.
Jack is the GREATEST
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Nobody BEATS anybody in golf. There's no head to head competition in golf. The winner is the guy who plays the GOLF COURSE better than the next guy.
Ball or ball's 😅😅
You can't blame the player for the Era they were born into however Jack played against legends and dominated tiger played against way lesser talent and dominated to me Jack is the goat. Jack was also a better human being he never got addicted to pills or had affairs with escorts and strippers he wasn't an asshole to the media.
Jack was the better golfer, husband, and person.
I think the biggest difference is one steroids!
More majors jack end of debate
If I'm not mistaken, I believe Walter Hagen was similar to Tiger in the "fearless" category. It's what made him must-see, and what put professional golf on the map.
No one comes close to prime tiger….
It’s like trying to put Kareem over Jordan. Tiger and it’s not even close Jack you can take 2ed , again.
As the bishop of Muncaster the right reverend Leonard Shitcat- Arsefeel once said " Has anybody seen my foot cream?"
Jack has 18 majors. Tiger has 15. Jack has 19 SECOND PLACE finishes in the majors. Tiger has 7. One didn't leave his wife and kids!
Nicklaus was the first guy I ever heard talk about how the golf ball had tamed golf courses and allowed for easier scoring. When I started playing the Titliest and Maxfli balata balls were the top balls and had great spin and feel but they sucked at distance-the Pro V1 added 20 yards to my drives and lowered my handicap with the same skill level. You can’t compare me to me and get a fair assessment (pre/post ball advancement)
Jack was scoring what he scored hitting 5, 4, 3, 2 and even 1 irons ROUTINELY! To compare Jack’s stats for fairways hit, greens in reg to Tiger is a joke. Plus I miss hit 8 iron up and down is way easier than a miss hit long iron up and down. Jack had the better more fundamentally sound swing by a lot. What would Tiger have shot with dud balls?
Mad respect to both because they've just different players. Jack was the best of his era and Tiger was the best of his. It's looking like Scheffler is going to be the best of his.
Tiger was more spectacular and Jack was more consistent.
Tiger is the greatest player, Jack the greatest golfer. The depth of quality players in Tigers era was 4 times that of Jacks era. That's unarguable. In Jacks era, 10 to 15 players won most events. In Tigers, anyone of the top 50 could win in their day.
Hale sutten had a couple good years!!! Thats all..
Jack was the greatest no questions ask look at his record nobody is close. Fact jacks span of top 10 in majors from 1960-1998 no body will. Match Jack record fact
You can’t compare different era, different equipment.
As applies to formula 1 with drivers, different cars
Crap debate..
Short games are hard to compare. The wedge use to be the only wedge. Even in the late 90s and early 2000s you had a p, s, l. Every tour player. Not to mention the advent of lies and grinds and all that. Same could be said for the ball. So many factors to consider
Wish Hal Sutton was still doing his pod cast.