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show tonight. The listener text line 6057201067. All right. Uh question of the day right out 
of the gate. Let’s do this. So I just have a question for you. Let’s just stop the stop your 
Tuesday drive home um distractions. I have I have a question for you right off the bat. What do 
you think of college athletes betting on college sports? Because over the last couple of years, 
there’s been numerous stories and investigations of college athletes betting on college sports. 
There’s been big investigations even at Iowa for that matter, right? Was that just last year? So, 
so there’s been investigations on alleged bets and I’m just going to ask you question of the day. 
How big of a problem are do we have with college athletes betting on college sports? Because this 
is an interesting study today in 2025. I feel like we bend the rules. We really bend the rules in so 
many ways. We all do it. Well, yeah, we’re going to let this go. Yeah, it’s it’s 2025. Get over it. 
Ah, the Wild West, man. College sports is full of just nonsense. We got millions of dollars being 
thrown around to college athletes. Are we really worried about them betting on sports? So, these 
are the uh narratives I’m hearing today. Why do I bring this up today to start the show? This is 
something we’ve talked about. I’m a sports better. I don’t do it all the time. I’ve enjoyed it. 
Entertainment purposes only. Won some, lost some. You know how this goes. Is a sports better. You 
think you’re really good and and most of us aren’t really really good. Otherwise, we’d be, you know, 
wouldn’t be working, right? We’d be pros in Vegas, the quote unquote pros. I’m a sports better. I 
love watching games. I like putting some skin into the game. Um and and there’s this avenue now 
that we’ve gone down where sports betting is more prevalent. We know this. You can bet legally in 
a bunch of states like almost 40 and it’s soon going to be nationwide. I mean there’s there’s 
hardly going to be any states hanging on to No,   you can’t bet here. I mean so many states year 
after year they’re passing laws where you can have sports betting. South Dakota we still have 
it through Deadwood. Okay. A lot of people East River have said, “Why? We need to get this uh 
mobile app statewide so we can bet on sports. Run it through Deadwood.” And I get you. That’s 
my preference, too, is run it through Deadwood,   but have a statewide sports app. That’s another 
story for another day. We’re not going to go there today. But but my point is sports betting 
is very prevalent. You guys as sports fans know this. It’s in everything that we have. It’s in 
everything that we see. DraftKings, odds. I mean, it’s in every show darn near. We don’t talk 
about it every show here, but it’s in every show. You TV, radio, I mean, it’s just in your 
face. And the advertising is out there as well. I love my BM MGM sports book partners. I mean, I 
it’s it’s absolutely something that people love to do. And so, this is the category now. College 
athletes are also being talked to and marketed to. This is right in all these college football 
stadiums and these guys are on their phones. They have all these fantasy sports apps, underdog and 
everything else. I mean, it is just wild. And so, are we surprised at all that numerous 
college athletes are probably betting   on college sports? And I bet you we don’t have 
a clue. It can’t be one of those things. Well, yeah, we’re we’re catching everybody that’s doing 
it. We’re catching everybody that’s doing it. No, there that can’t be the case. But I’m telling 
you today, do you have a problem? Do we still have a problem with college athletes betting on 
college sports? That question of the day here on the Nate Brown Show for you tonight. Um, I’ve got 
my answer, but I want to know yours. 6057201067. Baron Wilson text line is open as well. Same 
number. If you can’t call, you can text the   show on this Tuesday. That’s my question. Do we 
have a problem with college athletes betting on college sports? Because in the rules, it’s a big 
no no. It’s a it’s a massive no. So, in the rules, you can’t do it. Okay. And I understand it’s 
like the integrity of the game and and all that stuff. We’ve had scandals going all the way 
back for a long time. Um but today in 2025, I’m hearing more and more people even today say, 
“Why are we why are we worried about this stuff? This isn’t a big deal.” What do you say? Thanks 
for getting in. You’re live and you go ahead. Hey Nate, thanks for taking the call. Appreciate 
it, man. What do you say? Hey, uh, honestly, I’ve been betting college football along with 
college players since 1960s. I believe that. I think I mean, come on. We all know I mean, I 
told you five years ago about betting on high school football games. You thought I was crazy and 
then Yeah. Yeah. So, let’s just be real. So, so, and that was my whole thing with Pete Rose. You 
know, I’m still 5149, but on that, but it’s there. You got to let it go. Advertisement is So, you say 
college athletes are doing it and it’s just the way it is. No, they’ve been doing it, Nate. Poker 
games, it don’t matter. It’s all gambling. All right. You think they’re honestly going to school? 
And I’ll tell you, I looked up Miles Garrett I looked up GPA and it gave me his high school 
GPA which was 4.04 and then it didn’t give me a college one. Oh, you lost it. And I’m like, 
okay. And you know, he’s not going to school. He’s going to school to play football. Yeah. And 
he he don’t have a degree. Just let me ask you, what percent what percentage of college athletes 
are betting on sports today? What percent? I bet you it’s 45%. 45%. All right. Very interesting. 
Yeah. You know that swimmer’s not getting that wrestler is not getting any twist of money. 
But if you can make a couple hundred bucks on   college football, what the heck? Okay. I see it. 
I I I know what you’re saying. I may disagree, but I know what you’re saying. Thanks, man. I 
appreciate it. Thanks for getting in. Um I don’t disagree with him that, you know, he says 45% of 
college athletes, that’s just a guess thrown out. just a guess thrown out there. I don’t know what 
percentage it is. I don’t disagree with him that there’s a big number of male college athletes 
doing that. As a matter of fact, I remember this behind the scenes um like report. There was 
a behind-the-scenes thing, like an anonymous thing that the NCAA actually did saying, “How many of 
you bet on sports?” And there were significant numbers. There were significant numbers. As a 
matter of fact, I worked at a university. That was one of the big things we talked about. We had 
to educate our student athletes. You cannot do this. That was before sports betting really went 
wild in the last few years. So, so we were we were in on that at the university saying, “You cannot 
do this. This is a big no no.” The NCAA is still trying to hang on to that and our world today. It 
feels like we’re ready to let that go. I myself cannot go down that road. I myself cannot say it’s 
okay if this guy’s betting on college sports. I I don’t know if I can compromise with you guys. 
Maybe I can compromise like um our caller just said. He said like a wrestler, why can’t he bet 
on the Iowa Nebraska football game? Why can’t a wrestler bet on the football game? Well, there’s 
there’s other things there that you may say, well, they he goes to st class with these guys. Do they 
go to class? Um the wrestlers go to class. You know this. Um so they go to class. They know these 
guys. It just opens up too many things, too many possibilities, too many influences. that that’s 
what people would say in the well that’s the dark side of sports betting can a wrestler can a cross 
country runner should a cross country runner be able to bet on Ohio State and Texas coming up to 
start the year see I think most of us in society today I think most of you would say probably and 
I and I’m almost uh when I say that out loud a track athlete can they you know a track athlete at 
South Dakota eight. Can’t can’t bet in Brookings. You got to come to Deadwood. But um a track 
athlete, can they bet on Texas Ohio State opening game of the football season? They cannot. It’s 
a huge problem. It’s a huge rule violation. Yet, I’m starting to wonder, is that something we’re 
really going to keep track of? Is that something we’re really going to keep on trying to to monitor 
and hold to and the the rules of college sports because look at what we’ve done with the business 
of college sports. So, I can’t go there. I’m not there yet tonight. I still think there’s you can’t 
have this uh why I brought this up tonight. You saw the story about this John Matir. This is the 
transfer from Washington State down to Oklahoma. So, so this quarterback, he he goes to Oklahoma 
and supposedly there’s leaked images of his Venmo account, uh, description of he’s he paid people 
for sports. He labeled it sports gambling. Now, I don’t know where this story’s at because 
everything’s a fake show today. Some people   are saying this was manipulated and this was 
a scam and somebody was trying to get him in trouble. He’s denied it. If it’s real, it says 
sports gambling USC versus UCLA from uh 2022. And I know Venmo, if you don’t make your account 
private, like everybody in their mother can see   it. So, is this real from the Oklahoma quarterback 
today? I don’t know if it’s real or not. I mean, I have a tough time deciding what’s real today. 
How scary is that? I do this show and I research   for the show and we plan things out. Sometimes I 
see stuff, I’m like, is this right? Is this real? And me and Matt Carney have to go on a research uh 
frenzy to find out. No, this is bogus. And that’s where we’re at on this John Matar story. This 
quarterback now at Oklahoma from three years ago,   his Venmo account supposedly released that he 
had sports gambling where he paid guys and it was labeled sports gambling. Now, it’s either a a 
big miss there um or it’s manipulated and he said, “Hey, this was an inside joke.” So it sounds 
like he was saying it was real. The quarterback in Oklahoma said, “I didn’t do sports gambling at 
all. It was just an inside joke with my buddies   that I have not been on sports.” And so the 
the question goes out to everybody. How bad is sports gambling for college athletes today? 
And that’s the Nate Brown Show question of the day. 6057201067. If you want in, let’s get to 
the text line. Uh let’s see. A listener text, get rid of the betting. Athletes should 
not be betting on sports at all. Um, listener text 6057201067 if you want in tonight. 
Another one. Would not be surprised if 80% of athletes are gambling right now. 80%. I don’t 
think it’s quite that high, but um, let’s see. Listister text. I believe a huge problem is prop 
bets. That’s one of the things that seems to be the easiest type of bet to manipulate. Oh, 
for sure. For sure. The prop bets thing is a problem. I like uh betting on sports as much 
as other people. The prop bets thing has gotten people in trouble. We’ve seen that. Under five 
rebounds in an NBA game that nobody cares about in February. Whoops. Now we get flagged. This guy put 
a 100red grand down on under five rebounds. Huh. That’s interesting. Um, and then we’ve had 
sports gambling scandals already in college. Remember the baseball one a couple of years ago, 
the baseball one, random college baseball game and the the coach and and the the betting, you 
know, somebody laying a bunch of money down on a certain game in the SEC. Uh, let’s see. Lister 
text for college athletes. Nate, it should be okay for college athletes to gamble on sports that they 
don’t compete in. College athletes should be able to bet on pro sports as well. Should be allowed 
to gamble on pro sports, pro athletes. So, I know what that guy’s saying right there. That’s that’s 
where I’ve I’ve got some wiggle room tonight. I don’t have, you know, I can’t sit here and say 
this isn’t a big deal if the Oklahoma quarterback tonight labeled sports gambling and was doing 
sports gambling in 2022. I I I’m not going to be one of those guys that say, “Oh, it’s not a big 
deal if because just that guy that example there, those allegations today, that makes it seem when 
you say it’s not a big deal that anybody can now, you know, then you got a guy at Texas 
thinking, well, I I’ll bet on Yeah. this game in the Big 12 or the SEC or the Big 
10 can, you know, it’s a it’s a it’s a line that you got to be careful to cross. There is 
a line for me still, but I see the can I be a basketball player betting on the Nuggets and 
Wolves? Can I be a college basketball player   and bet on the Nuggets and Wolves? It may not be 
good for you. It may not be recommended for you, but is it a strict rule that we have to really, 
really get after? That’s the wiggle room today for me. I’m not going to go across the line. 
Yeah, college athletes can just bet on sports. Just call it good. They could just bet on sports. 
I I can’t do that today. But I am I am a little iffy on how strict it was in the past and trying 
to hold on to that. Uh, we’ll get back to this. 6057201067 is our number. And the question of 
the day, how big of a problem do you think we have with college athletes betting on college 
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for the best FCS coverage. This is the guy I’m telling you. Herosports.com. Samurder FCS. That’s 
where his ex account is. Sam herder FCS. Sam, good to have you on. How are you? I’m doing good. 
Thank you as always for having me on the show.   I appreciate it, man. We’re getting close. It’s 
getting close now. Football’s officially going. We having practice. We’re having team pictures, 
all that good stuff. We’re ready to go. So, I’m   going to get your read on um some of the teams, 
some of the headlines. I want to go to a tweet that you put out which I find really interesting 
and it kind kind of ties into what I wanted to ask the audience is who really has the best fan base 
in FCS football today. I asked my audience that on social media and I’m gonna I’m gonna update 
those poll results, but your tweet was, “Hey, we do football previews here at uh Hero Sports and 
here’s the number one or here’s the top viewed FCS uh football previews for each um Google 
Analytics uh fan base.” And so you were able to find this out and you kind of listed them 
out. It doesn’t surprise me like the top four, but what did you take away from it? I see Montana 
got the most clicks. Explain that. Yeah. So, pretty much the process is we have our preseason 
media poll um that we released uh back in late May. Um and then that pretty much determines how 
I do my team previews because I I just don’t have   the bandwidth, you know, to preview all 128 
teams. And so it’s it’s 25 team previews and then whichever teams receive votes uh you know so 
in total I think it’s like 32 33 team previews and um you know just through our Google Analytics you 
can see how many people clicked on each story and   how many reads you know each one gets and you know 
I I’ve done this in the past of of just saying hey here here are the most red team previews we’ve 
done um and it’s typ typically been you know these same teams here you know Montana NDSU Montana 
State South Dakota State. Um they’ve typically been uh you know the top four and uh you know they 
are pretty basic team previews and so it’s not the end all be all. You know there could be plenty 
of South Dakota State fans that didn’t read the   story because they said hey I already know all 
I need to know you know about the team. I don’t need to read a team preview. So it’s not you know 
um you know the you know the best gauge. Uh but at the same time it pretty much adds up with you 
know whenever I do a podcast or whenever I tweet about one of these teams or I do an article about 
one of these teams uh the analytics for for these top teams in the valley in the Big Sky uh far 
outweigh analytics when it comes to some of the other teams across the FCS. Yeah. And it’s got 
to be um heavily weighted. we know the top tier programs in FCS football and there’s a gap on the 
football field and to me there’s a huge gap with the passionate uh passion of the fans and so I’m 
from Montana Sam I’ve seen the Grizz fans for a long time um they’ve been really passionate I go 
back since the ‘9s early 90s and so Montana comes out as the most team uh viewed team preview I know 
you say well you never quite know because maybe te people want click on Montana and they’re from 
South Dakota State, whatever it is, but Montana comes out number one. How passionate do you think 
Grace fans still are today, even though Montana maybe not the powerhouse they were? Yeah, I think 
you could probably say they’re as as passionate as ever. You know, season tickets continue to 
uh to go up. you know, I believe they they sell those out, you know, every year and their their 
season of ticket their season ticket season ticket aotments, you know, far outweighs, you know, a lot 
of FBS uh, you know, programs. And so the passion   is there. Um, they eat up any content uh, you 
know, about their uh, team, whether it’s locally, regionally, or or or nationally. And so I think 
Grizz fans um, you know, certainly are among, if not the most just pure passionate fan base in 
the FCS. Okay, I’m going to ask you. I asked my audience, who’s the most, you know, who’s the best 
fan base? Who’s the best fan base? I have a South Dakota sports talk show. The Jacks are winning 
right now. Um, South Dakota State fans to you, Sam. Here’s here’s how I’ve seen it. They really 
came along towards the end of Stigle Meyer, the new stadium. They used to not get people at 
that new stadium when it was right when it was first built. the last few years after winning 
the title, uh, Granowski, then I felt like this fan base has exploded. What have you seen? Yeah, 
how I’ve described Southakota State’s fan base is they have a a um maybe the best mix of passion and 
rationalism, you know, which can be really hard, you know, to come by. Um, you know, is South 
Dakota State’s fan base, are they as ferociously passionate as, you know, the hardcore NSU fans 
or the Montana fans? I I don’t think so. But are overall, are they more reasonable uh than those 
two fan base? I would say I would say yes. Um, you know, and you’re always going to have, you 
know, a mix within each fan base of some people   who are just totally irrational and they just 
can’t, you know, see straight when it comes to their favorite teams. But for the most part, the 
Southakota State fans I’ve interacted with online um you know are pretty reasonable. They’re they’re 
passionate, but they’re pretty reasonable. Um and   so I think that is a really good blend to have 
uh when it comes to Southakota State fans. And it’s still, you know, a growing fan base if 
you kind of look at the the macro view. Um, I know South Dakota State’s been, you know, 
at or near the top of the FCS for a while,   but at the same time, it’s really only been a 
little more than 10 years, uh, since they’ve had, you know, national FCS success. Before that, it 
wasn’t a whole lot. The D2 days, it wasn’t a whole   lot. And so, there isn’t necessarily a generation 
after generation after generation of South Dakota State football fans that are just super super 
passionate. So, I still think that is building.   Um, obviously the regular season attendance uh 
has has been been climbing and has uh, you know, done super well. You know, playoff crowds, that’s 
obviously always a discussion during December,   but you know, overall it’s definitely a fan base 
that, you know, they just like Montana’s fan base, they eat up um whether it’s a tweet, podcast, 
story, any type of um, you know, picture or video, anything that has to do with South Dakota State 
football, they are definitely engaged with it.   Sam Herder put out uh the 10 most read FCS team 
previews on his site herosports.com. Uh the 10 most read. So you can find it there. The top four 
most read team previews. This is for the football season. Montana number one, North Dakota State 2, 
Montana State 3, South Dakota State 4. Sam, do you buy into North Dakota State fans being bored? Is 
there a chunk of fans bored with how much they’ve won and what’s next? Yeah, I think that is fair uh 
to say, you know, I I always struggle to kind of come up with, you know, with the best word because 
I think bored is fair, but at the same time,   you know, maybe, you know, that fan base will come 
back and say, well, we’re not necessarily bored. We just want to, you know, move on to to the next 
thing. And that’s certainly understandable. Um, you know, I lived in Fargo for a number of years. 
You know, I’ve covered NDSU in some capacity since 2012, so I know the fan base well. I know the 
local media well. You know, I know the overall   football program well and the administrators and 
coaches and all that. And so, while a lot of FCS fans will say, you know, how can you get bored of 
winning national championships? Like, how can that   ever get boring? You just can’t put yourself in 
that situation until uh you’ve lived through it. And then for for NDSU, I mean, yeah, they’re still 
passionate. Yeah, they want to win. You see them, you know, sell out, you know, the semi-final games 
or they still arrive in droves to to Frisco. Um if they make it to Nashville that they’ll, you 
know, fill out that stadium pretty well. And   so the passion is there from a week- toeek basis 
of just wanting to see their team well or wanting to see their team perform well. You know, how 
they support them uh through just, you know, donations and that type of support has never been 
stronger. But when you win 10 national titles, um, and you know, you do the whole FCS playoff 
song and dance year after year after year and then you’re routinely at the top and you’ve seen 
some of your top competition move on to the FBS. I don’t think you can really blame that fan base for 
saying, “Yeah, we’re kind of over the FCS.” Like,   while we’re here, yeah, let’s keep on winning 
national titles, but if there’s an open window, let’s go to the FBS and and continue to to move 
this program program along. I think that to me is a very understandable rationale to have for that 
fan base. You just did a poll to your audience and these polls on Twitter, I do them every day. 
They’re not scientific. I get it. But you put a   poll out there saying which conference is going to 
have a team go to the FBS next, like the Big Sky, like UC Davis, um, or like Missouri Valley, like 
NDSU. So, I think Missouri Valley was what people were voting for. What do you think is the best 
chance? Like, if you’re thinking about the next   team to try and get in, I don’t know, the Mountain 
West, is it UC Davis or is it North Dakota State? Yeah. So, that poll, um, the Big Sky got 39.1% of 
those votes and then the Valley got 38.2% chance. Uh, so the big guy, you know, edged out the valley 
a little bit as far as which which team will go to the FBS next. It’s interesting because I think 
if you had to put odds on it, um, you know, I think the UAC would be the odds on favorites and 
they got the least amount of votes just because,   uh, you know, Tarl, when it comes to actual 
smoke and in reporting going on out there, the next FCS to FBS move up, the only reporting 
out there, I I believe was Pete Tamill saying uh, when he reported that Louisiana Tech was was going 
to be leaving for the Sunb Belt, he also reported   if Conference USA wants to expand, Tarlton State 
is is most likely going to be that target. And so there’s actually reporting out there that Charlton 
State is is a, you know, a legit candidate to go   to the FBS. There’s no reports out there that 
the Mountain West is targeting UC Davis or North Dakota State or Sacramento State. And so to me, 
you know, the answer is the UAC. Now, obviously NDSU fans and Montana, Montana State fans probably 
looked at this poll and said, “Well, we I want to   go to the FBS. I’m going to vote for my conference 
because I want my team.” Um, and so like you said, these polls aren’t an exact science. Um whether 
the Mountain West extends an invite to an FCS team or not, um we’ll see. You know, I know there 
are some areas on Twitter that that thinks it is likely that the Mountain West uh is going to add 
some FCS teams. I I’m just a little bit skeptical just because I I’ve heard enough to to know that 
Mountain West presidents are are turned off at   the idea of adding any FCS teams and if they just 
want to stay at what is it, I believe 10 members and not divvy up that revenue pot even more, I 
can see them just standing pat. And so I’m not   sure how quickly how quickly the Mountain West 
plans on moving if at all on on adding any FCS programs. Okay, so here’s the big question of the 
day for Sam Herder. We’ve got him and I’m going to put him on the spot across South Dakota. Who 
does have the best fan base in FCS football? Yeah, I think you got to go with with Montana. um just 
another a combination of um just passion uh you know supporting their team um engagement selling 
out the stadium you know probably having or not probably you know definitely having the best 
home field um environment in the FCS at least in today’s age um you know so I think you got 
to go with Montana on that one Sam Herd’s on the record uh FCS senior analyst good discussion 
follow him at Samurder FCS if you’re a football fan you got to be schedule getting ready to 
pop. We’ll get them on for some previews here   at games in a few weeks. Herosports.com. Until 
then, Sam, good to have you. Thanks a lot. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate your time. 
Herosports.com FCS senior analyst, that’s Sam herder getting the show going tonight on Fox 
Sports Radio. Um, let me ask you that. Throw it out to the South Dakota audience, college football 
fans. What is the best fan base in FCS football right now? Who has the best fan base in FCS 
football right now? Be honest. Be honest. Think this through. Think this through. 6057201067. 
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There’s four that you can think about. Montana, South Dakota State fans have really come along. 
North Dakota State, and I’ll put Montana State in there. They used to not sell out games at Montana 
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I’m wearing my Indiana fever shirt today. Am I the only guy in South Dakota wearing an Indiana 
Fever shirt repping Caitlyn Clark today? Am I? I hope not. Brian No is on tonight. Countdown host 
on Fox Sports Radio. Every weekend you can hear him right here. Counting down to kickoff. Man, 
Brian, welcome back on. How are you? I’m good, Nate. Always great to be with you. How about 
you rocking out the double deuce Caitlyn Clark jersey? I like that. Very nice. Well, it’s 
it’s Indiana Fever shirt. I don’t have the   Caitlyn Clark jersey. My kids have that. But 
I got the shirt cuz I’m going to I’m going to support the team. I don’t want to be accused 
of being a Caitlyn Clark uh bandwagoner. So, um do you Okay. Uh, if you were taking bets from 
Las Vegas, am I the only guy in South Dakota today wearing an Indiana Fever t-shirt? Wow, dude. 
That is a great question. I will say you are not alone. I will say there is someone somewhere 
that’s fired up for the the Fever to take on the wings tonight. and they’re rocking either a 
a fever t-shirt, a jersey of Caitlyn Clark, a jersey shirt. You know, those are sometimes 
popular. I’ll say someone somewhere is rocking   Fever gear today. I started thinking not in South 
Dakota. We got a small population, but but I think you’re right. I think there’s somebody out there 
channeling me. Um, okay, I’m good. I’m not I’m not   in a bad spot. Brian O is on tonight. Okay, here’s 
one thing I want to get in. Brian, you do a lot of sports betting analysis and I talked to you 
about breaking down games. I do sports betting, Bet MGM Sportsbook and Deadwood. It’s it’s our 
headquarters. So, I I get the thing. I really I enjoy it. Entertainment and and the whole thing. 
I’m I’m in this college sports landscape now. And I don’t know if this story is wacky. I don’t know 
if it’s real. I don’t know if it’s what it is. But the Oklahoma quarterback, John Matir, today 
had to say, “I haven’t bet on sports.” Even though the Venmo transactions reference sports gambling 
from 2022, I I didn’t do that. It was an inside joke. It was an inside joke with my buddies. 
So, I’m going to ask you this. Where are we at in 2025 with college athletes betting on sports? 
It’s a big no no. Where are we at in the public? Wow. Well, that that’s pretty interesting 
with Matias just transferring over there.   And I love that. Like Yeah, that’s the new thing. 
You just you label things, Nate. Like if you went to I don’t know, you went to dinner at KFC or 
something with buddies, you just label that   sports betting transaction. You know, that really 
means KFC. That that’s right. Come on, man. Like, we weren’t born yesterday. But as long as he’s 
not doing it today, I I don’t know that you would go back in the archives and and penalize him. 
But that’s the thing, Nate, is it’s it’s just this it’s this trend where I mean, think how many 
examples there are of athletes that think they’re going to get away with something. Whether it’s 
a it’s Jonte Porter, uh you know, who’s the the brother of Michael Porter Jr. and who is guilty 
of sin and we’ve got telegram receipts and he’s he’s having a whole conversation with the you know 
the these dudes that have got their hooks in them and all this stuff you know there’s Louise Ortiz 
uh Emanuel Class A where it’s the micro bets and it’s the first pitch that looks so shady and now 
there’s a full-blown investigation Malik Beasley the list goes on and on and on but the point is 
there are so many athletes that just have this mentality of I I’ll probably be fine. I probably 
won’t get busted. And they’re getting busted, Nate. So, I hope that’s not the case with 
Matier. And if he was sports betting,   which I’m almost positive he was, you know, a 
couple of years ago, hopefully that is a thing of the past because I’m here to tell you, Nate, 
if you think you can get away with, you know, I’m going to bet 10 bucks here or there and no one 
cares, they’re going to find out and you’re going   to get busted sooner or later. It’s happening. 
They track your phone. They know where you’re at. It’s the whole thing. So, it’s better to stay 
away if you’re an athlete these days. Okay. So, here’s the big question to me. I’m seeing a lot 
of uh people online today, and I know that’s not always real life, but I’m seeing a lot of people 
say this this I mean, this is what we’re worried   about in college sports as if guys are like making 
a bet or you know, the Venmo transactions. And I it sounds like people are like, “Hey, there’s so 
much going on in college sports, million-dollar   deals and transfer portal and all this stuff. We 
don’t need to be worrying about college athletes betting on sports. I worked at a university 
years ago. That was like the big talk to our athletes in the athletic department. It was it was 
a huge talk. Do not do this. What I’m asking is is it have we moved in society? You know, there’s 40 
states where it’s legal to bet on sports or more. Can can the cross country runner bet on Texas 
Ohio State to open the football season? H have we moved as a society or is that still no? You just 
can’t do that if you’re a college athlete. Well, I I’m of the belief and some might disagree with 
this, but I think you know as long as you’re not betting on your specific sport, you should be 
able to have at it just like everybody else is. Like how your example, the cross country runner, 
how does that have any influence whatsoever if they’re betting whatever amount it is, could be 20 
bucks, could be something significant, thousands   and thousands of dollars. How does that have any 
significance on a college football game? You know, if there’s some sort of college football 
player betting on a college football game, that is a gigantic no. No. So that’s where I would 
disagree with some of your listeners. if that’s what they’re saying. Like that is a big deal. 
We have to we have to believe that what we’re watching in sporting events is real and it’s not 
doctorred and athletes aren’t you know that hey take under five and a half rebounds and they just 
have five rebounds and it’s like it’s okay. No, no, you can’t have anything like that because 
it can lead to far worse and it can lead to the results not being real. But I think like your 
example, man, like a college football player, if he’s betting on the NFL or NBA, great. Have 
at it. Hopefully your parlay’s hit, you know, like but as long as they’re not betting on their 
own sport. That’s kind of the NFL thing, right? Like they’ll let you bet on everything else. 
They just don’t want you to bet at the facility,   which I think is stupid, too. I just think 
that’s putting a hurdle in front of yourself. So, I can cross the street and bet, but if I make that 
same bet in the locker room, it’s a no no. That’s just stupid to me. I think that’s unnecessary. 
And I think it creates headlines where it’s just in your face all the time. Another player gets 
popped for betting. Another player gets popped   for betting. Why would you want that as a league? 
So, I would get rid of the headquarters thing, but the NFL, they let you bet on everything, 
just not the NFL if you’re a player. Okay. So,   college sports right now, the NCAA still holds 
to the firm. It’s a huge no. If you’re a golfer, you’re a a swimmer, you can’t bet on the 
Buckeyes in Texas to open the year. Um, here’s the devil’s advocate on that, and I’m with 
you on this. I’m starting to shift like I don’t want college athletes betting on sports because I 
I just, you know, you got to be careful with this. I bet on Ohio State Texas. Well, hey, that worked 
out pretty good. I’m a cross country runner. Maybe I could bet on this race that or whatever, 
you know, baseball player. Let’s use one that you can actually bet on. Um, I might be able to get a 
little bit here. So, so it opens the door to well, I won in football and basketball. Maybe I should 
do baseball, my own sport. Well, I mean, yeah, you always run that risk, but that’s the thing is 
you could play that game with anything. you know, you you’re you’re of age to drink in this country, 
really young, you know, and so, hey, maybe you go to a frat party and you bend a couple elbows, but 
nothing crazy. And wow, that was fun. I’m going to do cake stands next time. You know, you always run 
a risk with many things as a young college kid, a teenager. But I don’t I don’t think sports 
betting is like so dangerous and so evil that it, you know, it makes everything pale in comparison, 
you know? I just look at it where there’s risk all over the place and as long as you’re, you know, 
not blowing it out of proportion and you’re not,   okay, we’ll use your example. You’re the uh 
you’re the cross country runner again. Hey, I bet on Texas and uh and Ohio State. Man, I won. 
I’m hot. You know, let me bet on the baseball team and you know, hey, as long as you’re not talking 
to the baseball players and saying, hey man, I got a I got a nickel on you, you know, I got one large 
on you. like just take a dive this game, you know, just come on. As long as it doesn’t progress to 
that as long as you’re just betting, I have zero issue what issue with it whatsoever myself. Very 
interesting. Brian No is on tonight. He is host of Countdown on Fox Sports Radio. Glad to have him 
here on South Dakota Sports Talk Show on a Tuesday   hitter. My question of the day, how big of a 
problem do you think we have with college athletes betting on college sports? 57% of my audience says 
they’re betting anyway. Who cares anymore? Um, okay. Let’s go to the NFL. Brian, talking 
some ball. I I went out yesterday and said, “The national media can’t get away with wanting 
to kill Shadore Sanders. We wanted to kill him and then he played well Friday and then everyone’s 
like, “Yeah, I think it’s I don’t know. He did   fine, but he’s still cocky and he’s still I mean, 
let’s do it again. I want to see if he fails now, the next time. I think he’s a good player and our 
judgment is clouded by his arrogance, his flash, his whole thing. Can we say he’s a good player or 
not? Well, I don’t know if the haters can say it, Nate. That’s the thing, man. Is this guy, it’s 
crazy if you think about it, Nate. Think about he’s a fifth round pick. Now, we know he’s much 
talent, much more talented than that, but and he should have gone higher, but at the end of the 
day, he’s a fifth round pick who is the story of rookie quarterbacks. And meanwhile, Cam Ward, 
who is the number one overall pick, is a total afterthought. No, no one cares about this guy at 
all. He is not a story whatsoever. It’s just when can you say that ever in the history of the NFL 
that the number one overall pick is a nonstory? And a fifthrounder is the story. But that’s where 
here’s where we are with Shadur. And I agree with you, man. It’s one of these deals where I don’t 
understand why the dislike is so strong. If you didn’t know anything about Shadore and you 
were just going based on the, you know, the   hater comment, you’d be like, man, Shadur sounds 
like a maniac. Like, what’s his deal? What’s he done wrong? It’s like, well, you know, he’s he’s 
flashy. He celebrates a little bit. He’s kind of   got like this wristwatch dance that he does. And 
I’d be like, “That’s it? That’s all we got?” Yep. That’s That’s pretty much Oh, and he speeds. 
He speeds. So So there’s that. Wow. I don’t understand all the animosity, but man, there are 
a lot of people I think this Nate, my two cents, don’t let like or dislike destroy your opinions. 
That’s what I would say because there are a lot of people with Shadur that dislike him strongly 
or like him strongly and both sides make a lot of comments that are really dumb. I would just put 
that like or dislike to the side for a little bit. Be as objective as possible evaluating the guy. 
Don’t go ballistic because he had one really good preseason outing like this is going to be the next 
big thing. Let’s give it a little bit of time. And the dislike, man, before he was drafted, there 
were people hitting me up saying, “Oh, this guy,   he’s not even accurate. He’s not tough.” I’m like, 
“What are you talking about?” If you watch him at Colorado, his offensive line sucked. He’s very He 
completes 74% of his passes. He’s tough as nails. Like, we’re just making stuff up. So, I’ve heard a 
lot of people make up a lot of stuff. And I think it’s born out of that like or dislike for Shadore. 
You got to check that. You got to make sure that is not destroying your opinion. Yeah, I’m with you 
on it. Uh, totally. That’ll be interesting. Um, that Friday night game was was good and I wonder 
if the Browns, what are the Browns going to do? It’ll be interesting. Brian No is on tonight. 
Follow him at the No Show. That’s where he’s   at. Interact with him on X and listen to him 
here on Fox Sports Radio every weekend. The show is Countdown with him and the crew. Brian, 
always good. Thanks a lot. Thank you, Nate. And I will say anybody that’s tweeting me today, tweet 
your Indiana Fever Caitlyn Clark gear, you know, getting ready for game night so we can verify 
this, right, Nate? We’ll do a little South Dakota   experiment tonight real fast. I would like that. 
Good luck. We’re trying to find if anybody in South Dakota is wearing an Indiana Fever t-shirt 
or a Caitlyn Clark shirt or whatever. I think I may be the only one today. Brian No says not. 
Okay, I got it. I got it going on. Um, I think I may be the only one, but uh you you can you can 
give me some evidence if you have it out there in Sou Falls in Rapid City. Who’s wearing an Indiana 
Fever shirt or Caitlyn Clark jersey outside of me, Nate Brown? I’m repping strong today. All right. 
Um, let’s go to the best fan base in FCS football right now. That’s my question of the day for 
the South Dakota audience. Would you say South Dakota State has come along? Who has the best fan 
base in FCS football in the country? There’s only four schools you can you can really put up there. 
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Second hour ready to go. Hang on. We’ll go out to Williamsport tonight. Going to get an update 
from the Sou Falls Little League head coach Ryan Verusa. He is on tonight from Williamsport. Sou 
Falls Little League has made it again backtoback years. They’ve got a team out of Philly. Yeah. 
Hometown. Little Pennsylvania advantage there in Williamsport. They got a team just outside of 
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the answer to the question of the day. I don’t know. I’ve got the answer though. I’ve got it. 
I’ve asked you uh college football fans in South Dakota here on the program. What is truly the 
best fan base in FCS football right now? Now, I’m going to break this down a little bit. Um, 
South Dakota State has to have a case. I can’t pick the Jacks right now. I got to be fair. I got 
to be fair and balanced on the Nate Brown show. South Dakota State’s fan base has exploded in the 
last 5 years. So, we’ve been doing this show for a while. We used to look at this and say even some 
of the regular season games after the first couple the crowd would dwindle years ago. You had this 
new stadium come online. It’s like we we got to get fans here. And Coach Stig would come on the 
show and say you got to make a difference. We we need you there. And they kept that up. They 
kept that up. And now you see sellouts. You see big crowds at regular season SDSU games. A ton of 
them. like deep into the season. You used to not see that. So, South Dakota State winning national 
championships, that’s put them at another level. The fan base is now consistent. It does fall off 
in December cuz the kids leave and it’s cold and and that playoff thing, you just can’t figure it 
out. That’s a lot of FCS teams, though. But there is um a fan base up north. North Dakota State 
would say, “We sell out the Fargo Dome.” I mean, this place is ruckus. There’s no better support. 
We have all of the support financially and the fan base is huge. And we were the first ones on 
College Game Day, and we have the biggest fan base across the country. Well, they’re up there. North 
Dakota State’s up there. South Dakota State’s up there. Montana State I is is up there. They’re not 
with NDSU. Not Not long enough at Montana State. Boseman’s going though. really growing market and 
Bosezeman Stadium, they they redid that years ago, a few years ago, and it’s packed. So, Montana 
State has a real deal fan base. Real deal. There’s three. South Dakota State, North Dakota 
State, Montana State. Real deal. The one that surpasses and and it’s not getting votes on the 
show tonight because I think a lot of folks in South Dakota maybe haven’t experienced it. I 
have and it’s Washington Grizzly Stadium on a college football Saturday in Montana. I’ve seen 
FCS football be on the level it it feels like of like SEC football. I’m I’m serious. I’ve been to 
Georgia. So, I went to a game a long time ago. You remember a guy named Champ Bailey? Yeah, you 
might remember uh Quincy Carter. They had this team in Georgia. I went to a game in Georgia years 
ago between the hedges and SEC football. Man, it is it is a religion. They say that it is 
Montana Grizzly football uh in Missoula FCS. I don’t say it’s different level. There wasn’t 
much difference there. The place is wild. The fans across the whole state. The brand is unbelievably 
strong. And it’s been like that since the ‘9s. Montana Grizzly football’s been selling out. It’s 
been going crazy since the 90s. And they’re not   even as good as South Dakota State, North Dakota 
State, even Montana State really. But the fans are just off the charts. It’s a statewide thing 
from one end of Montana to the other. And Montana State’s made inroads. The Montana Grizzlies. 
That game day atmosphere I would put up there with almost I mean a ton of FC FBS atmospheres. 
I’ve been to some FBS good atmosphere. Ohio State, I’ve been there. Georgia, I’ve been there. I’m 
not telling you it’s at 95,000 fans. I get it. But for what they’ve got, that place for football is 
really, really good. Really, really good. So, to me, Montana’s got to win the best fan base in FCS 
football still today. And if you haven’t seen it, I would go to Montana, a Montana Grizzly game. I 
I would try and go sometime. Great town. Missoula, great place. Montana Grizzly football on a college 
football Saturday is off the charts. Off the charts. So, who are people voting for on the Nate 
Brown show? Um, who has the truly the best fan base at FCS football right now. So, my question 
of the day for you, 52% have checked in with South Dakota State. We’re going homers. No. And I 
will say the growth of the Jacks fans and the game um game atmosphere in Brookings and stuff is 
is tenfold what it used to be. I mean it’s it’s it’s good now. 52% South Dakota State 
best fan base. 27% say North Dakota State, 16% voting Montana. No, no, no, no. Should like 
flip that around. Should be like 61% or more. It’s Montana still today. They are wild up there. 
And if they ever get really, really good again, I mean, they’re competitive, but if they ever 
get really, really good again, it’s one of the   hardest tickets to get. It’s a hard ticket to get. 
They pack that place. It’s loud. It echo echoes up against the mountains. It’s good stuff, man. Um, 
let’s get into the second hour on the Nate Brown Show tonight. Uh, I have some baseball fans 
listening to the program, right? some baseball fans. So, I’ve got two questions I’m going to 
ask about baseball. Is there a player that we’re watching that is already the best of all time? 
The best of all time. That’s a big statement. That’s not just a hot take. That wasn’t said by 
me. It was said by a Major League Baseball analyst   today. We’ll get into that. And by the way, who 
has it worse? We’re finally going to answer it. The Twins or the Rockies? Next. This is the Nate 
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baseball, let’s go to some baseball topics. It’s time. I mean, we’re going to be heavy football. 
We’re heavy this, we’re heavy that. I’m going   to do some baseball love. I know the consultants 
don’t don’t like the baseball talk, but I’m going to I’m going to go to something here. There’s a 
guy named Ben Verlander. Ben Verlander is a Fox Sports Major League Baseball analyst. If you’ve 
listened to this program, we get him on. We get   Ben on. Ben, if you’re listening, we want you 
on. Ben Ferlander said this. Show Otani is now the greatest baseball player of all time. It’s 
settled. He struck out eight batters in four innings and destroyed an oppo homer the same 
day. He homers for the 42nd time last night. Shoi Otani is the MVP and Shoi Otani is already 
the greatest of all time. Baseball fans unite here on the Nate Brown Show. Baseball opinion. 
I know there’s baseball fans out there. It’s a big statement. I mean, we can’t ever get 
over who’s the greatest basketball player   of all time. It’s Michael Jordan. Okay, let’s not 
let’s not let’s not steer off course. Show Otani, you can say right now, is the best baseball 
player of all time. Does Ben Verlander have a point? Ben Verlander, I love having Ben on the 
show. We’ll get him. Uh we’re trying to track   him down. As a matter of fact, busy time for him, 
I understand. But we get him. And Ben’s brother is Justin Verlander. They’ve been in the game a 
long time. He’s convinced he and he’s been a show Otani fan for a long time. Ben’s out in LA at Fox 
Sports. He’s been show Otani fan for a long time. Is this fandom or is he actually correct? And then 
I actually want to say you guys if if anybody’s biased out there, who is the best baseball player 
of all time? like is there somebody that’s settled that I need to have on my list that’s the 
best baseball player no doubt of all time. So, you know, people go way back. Well, of course it’s 
Babe Ruth. It’s Babe Ruth. He did the pitching and hitting thing. The legend of Babe Ruth. Well, 
if you’re really looking at best player and the homers and all that, it’s Barry Bonds. I mean, I I 
it’s Pete Rose. best baseball player of all time. You tell me if there’s anybody on the list because 
Ben Verlander saying no for what he does. How, you know, he’s pitching and he’s hitting at this 
level. 42 homers this year for Otani and he’s back to pitching. This is settled. He’s the greatest 
of all time. So, we’re watching in 2025. It’s hard to say this because it’s like, wait, this is 
just a player. I mean, yeah, he does this stuff. athletes are better today. So, yeah, I mean, 
we just kind of expect this stuff, but he’s at another level as Ben Verlander is saying. He’s the 
best baseball player of all time. It’s settled. We’re watching it right now. Do you believe 
that? Um, give me a read on that. 6057201067. I’m a baseball fan. I’m not a baseball researcher. 
Like I I can’t go back through and say, “Well, no, you know, this this number and this and that and 
because of this, Shoi Otani is pitching at this level and hitting at this level.” Here’s the only 
way I would stop Ben Verlander from saying that right now. Can Show Otani continue this the 
rest of his career pitching enough the eight strikeouts the other night. Can Can he continue 
the two-way play if he continues it for I don’t know however long. Probably going to be talking 
about that. I would just say to Ben Verlander, my buddy, I wouldn’t say it. I wouldn’t say 
that yet. It’s kind of like when Tom Brady was playing. We couldn’t quite say it. Tom Brady is 
the greatest of all time. Oh, it still sounds bad coming out of my mouth, but I have enough respect 
for his uh what he’s done to say I I don’t think there’s anybody else that you can put that um name 
on in the NFL. I’m settled on Michael Jordan and I’ll I’ll be on my deathbed saying that. So, 
don’t don’t even go there with uh LeBron James and whoever else. But the baseball one to me I 
have a harder time with because everybody has the records and well this guy hitting record and 
home run record and the whole thing. But two-way does he have to go his whole career? I would say 
to be the best of all time he has to because that makes him stand out more than anyone else. Um, 
lister text. Otani is great. I’m not sure he’s the greatest. There’s too much history to issue 
a blanket statement like that. Okay. I And I get that. That’s right. I caution. I’m I caution 
Ben Verlander. He says, “Otan is the greatest baseball player of all time.” To me, not yet. 
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Brown Show is South Dakota’s sports talk show. Welcome back in. The Nate Brown Show is live 
tonight. Fox Sports Radio, South Dakota Sports Talk Show. Glad you’re here. Appreciate you 
being a part of the program, making this show   possible. Really appreciate that. Ryan Veruska is 
coming up. He’s the head coach. Sou Falls Little League. We’ve got him tonight from Williamsport. 
What’s going on in Williamsport? They had a parade tonight. All the teams, all that stuff. I’ve never 
been to Williamsport, Pennsylvania. There’s been plenty of South Dakota teams there now. Rapid City 
a few times. Sou Falls four times now. Wow. Brian Babus, the head coach this year of the Sou Falls 
Little Leaguers. He’s coming up. Craig Maddox on from SDPB. His podcast. He’s getting ready to 
work on some. I mean, summer’s over, Craig. So, it’s time to get to work. His podcast is in play. 
Greg, welcome back on. How are you? I’m great. My workouts have continued throughout the summer. I 
have not laid off like others like others might do. I know you’re just tough. You are tough. By 
the way, I have to ask you a an NFL question. I never thought this would come up. Who is the 
greatest NFL player of all time in Craig Maddox’s book? Who’s the greatest of all time? Uh, what 
would qualify for greatest? Is it titles? Is it records? Well, that’s I’m asking you. I mean, I 
got one guy that’s the greatest of all time. You just have to put him there. It’s Tom Brady. I’m 
not Tom Brady. Certainly would would would be in the same breath. I mean, you look at, you know, 
the Walter Payton and you look at I mean, other offensive stalwarts. Uh, anybody on the defensive 
side? Probably not. We’re always looking offense, aren’t we? Yeah. Certainly Brady with with his 
Super Bowls probably would be right up there. Okay. All right. I just wanted to make sure. I’ve 
got some Joe Montana coming in. Joe Montana. Well, he was until Tom Brady came around. I think 
that’s right. I mean, Montana was got those titles and then Brady surpassed it. I mean, 
you just can’t touch seven Super Bowl titles. It’s uh it’s something. Okay, let’s get to 
the South Dakota sports side of things. Um, I want to start with this and get your thoughts. 
More and more Division 2 conferences are now doing pay-per-view deals with their online streamers. 
So, the Armac just announced that they they’re going to have pay-per-view now for all of their 
games. Northern Sun’s not there yet, but they do postseason pay-per-view. There’s there’s 
this company going around. There’s division 2 conferences that they’re signing deals with and 
it’s pay-per-view. I’m asking the audience, is that going to be the right call? To me, it’s not, 
but what do you say? Yeah, I think it’s going to be a tough go. Um, there’s still a lot of people 
people aren’t paying for newspapers, right? I mean, people aren’t I mean, there’s subscriptions 
with newspapers. People aren’t aren’t doing that. And for the most part, people are not doing the 
perplay thing. I know Minnesota uh for their high school events, uh state tournaments, they 
they do pay-per-view. Um I I in South Dakota, I just certainly South Dakota, I just don’t 
see that being very successful. I really don’t. um for the uh for the Northern Sun, the best 
thing that they do is not charge um for for their fan bases. But it’ll be interesting to see 
what they do. I I just don’t think nationally it’s going to be anything that is a new trend coming 
your way. Here’s here’s where I’m at on it. I did fundraising for an athletic department and so 
I connected with alumni all over the country, Phoenix, Houston, all over. They watched the 
games because it was a free online stream and it kept them connected to the university. Division 2 
athletic departments really need support and they think they’re going to get a portion of these 
funds and that’s what the deal is. It’s like,   well, we’ll get some revenue. That’s going to pale 
in comparison. I think I I think we’re not seeing the big picture. That’s my read. What they should 
be doing is they like the Northern Sun, you offer the free stream, but you go out and sell the ads 
that appear on those game sites and the websites that the folks are going to to watch those games. 
Yeah. No, I mean that the way that’d be the way to do it. So, I don’t know if all the ads were, you 
know, they have to vote for this stuff and the   Armac. And so, the Armac just announced they’re 
going to go pay-per-view for all athletic events, volleyball, basketball, football. I don’t like 
it. I don’t think it’s um going to help out the D2 universities. It must just be tight. How tight 
do you think it is at D2 Sports for an athletic budget? It is very tight. It is, you know, it 
is it is so tight that I I am surprised that uh a lot of these D2 programs have the number of 
programs that they have. Um I I’m just surprised that you know even like uh Augustana, what do 
they have? 13 13 men, 13 women’s sports, a lot of double-digit sports. A lot of these D2 schools 
have uh you just wonder why they have so many because it does cost a lot of money. Craig Madic 
on tonight talking South Dakota Sports, SDPB. He’s with them. Longtime broadcaster, his podcast is in 
play. So, I had you on last week, but right before this story broke, the eight newspapers in Wyoming 
that shut down and then four in South Dakota. So, so the Brookings Register, for example, how can 
Brookings not have a local newspaper, Craig? I think it all comes down to it happens in radio 
and it and it happens in TV as well where you get a owner that owns multiple sites, you know, 
multiple newspapers, multiple radio stations, multiple TV stations. There’s a ton of companies 
out there that have uh ton a bunch of they own a bunch of of these outlets and I think what happens 
is they lose track of what happens locally. Um you know like the Argus leader here in Sou Falls for 
a long time that paper was printed in De Moine uh in Iowa and uh and and ownership kind of fell 
off on what is really happening in in in Sou Falls. What’s what is happening in this town? I 
think that’s what happened to Brookings. You know, unless you have local ownership and you 
are a prime example of that, Mr. Brown,   is you are the guy that calling the shots for this 
station and what’s happening to your listeners. you have the local pace on what’s going on and so 
you know what is happening and hopefully you run that business that way where sometimes the local 
owners the the national ownership they lose track of the small towns the smaller municipalities 
and eventually it just goes bye-bye cuz uh it is surprising that in Hiron and Brookings 
yes that they don’t have a local newspaper but again the the track of newspaper business has been 
going down the tubes for a long time. But here’s here’s where you’re right on that. Um, if I own 
30 stations and there’s a music, there’s a here, there’s a here, and I got a sports station and 
it’s like, well, yeah, we’ll see who’s doing   the best. Let’s look at the bottom line. And so, 
if I have 30 newspapers like this company had, I see Brookings as the same as Lusk, Wyoming. I I 
made that point. It’s like they’re not the same, but on the spreadsheet it’s like, well, I’m not 
going to carve out one and sell that to somebody.   I’m trying to sell all of these or we’re going to 
shut this down. Do you think Brookings can make a comeback? I’m hearing people are like, “Hey, 
there’s some interest here.” The the editor   up there is like, “We we might be able to do 
something.” Brookings has South Dakota State, Brookings High School. Uh that’s a 25,000 
population community. Can you make a comeback there in the news business? They they might 
be able to out of the shoot, but you know, how how are they going to do it? Um are they going 
to request that it’s going to be a pay-per-view where you got to pay to to read the news? Uh 
because that particular business model is not working very well in in a number of towns. Um 
so so I don’t know. It it’s one of those where uh if if someone in Brookings believes that 
they know the city, they know the community, they know what’s happening in the sports world and 
the news world, and if they work hard at it, they could probably make it. But I I just don’t know 
if there’s someone there that will do it. Okay,   I want to go now with Craig Maddock to the big 
question. Um, there is sports gambling going on in in all of these states. And how many wins for 
the Vikings this year? Is that what you’re asking? Not quite. Hang on. We’ll get to that. Okay. Um, I 
want to know if you think college athletes should be able to bet on sports, not their own sport, but 
right now the NCAA is held firm on this longtime rule. No betting at all. I’m a swimmer and I 
can’t bet on Texas and Ohio State. Are are we in 2025? Is that an archaic rule? We We cannot have 
athletes at any level being able to to bet on any of their sports. Any sports? Any uh Well, I’m not 
saying any sport. The sport that they’re involved with. Oh, okay. The NCAA swimmer. You can’t be 
uh you know uh betting on the swim team either if it’s yours or it’s not yours. I mean we just 
you can’t do that. Um I know they’re trying to get it where you can’t bet on anything if you’re an 
athlete. Yes. Nothing. And um I’m not so sure on that one. I’m I’m I I think it’s more of you can’t 
you can’t be betting on the sport that you’re involved with. Okay. I think that’s where I’m at 
with you. But right now, the NCAA is holding firm. You can’t bet on any sports. Zero. As a college 
athlete, and I I used to work in a university, and that was our big thing. You cannot bet on sports. 
It’s an NCAA violation. And so, do you think the public is saying, “Hey, the way this has changed 
over the years, it’s probably okay for the golfer to bet on a college football game at Iowa.” Are 
you okay with that? Uh, I’m okay with that. Um, remember the NCAA wouldn’t allow you to pay 
a a meal to a to a lacrosse player because, you know, maybe they were down and out and you 
wanted to take them out for lunch. You couldn’t   you couldn’t do that. No. Um, you need to evolve 
a little bit. Yes. I don’t I don’t like college athletes betting on sports either. I don’t. And 
I don’t know how you track this like, oh, well, you can’t bet on your sport. Well, okay, but we’re 
going to let them bet on other sports. It’s harder than it sounds, but I I’m with you on that. Uh, by 
the way, Craig Madic, will you be buying? I I want to know your sports viewing habits. You’re you’re 
a guy that’s you might turn this on, might turn   that on. Are you a streamer now? Have you joined 
the 2025 age where you where you and Matt Kernney are streaming everything? Well, Matt and I are 
are brothers uh very much uh because we do a lot. Uh we think a lot the same, we do a lot the same. 
Okay. Uh it it’s amazing that um it it’s it’s not surprising that Matt is as successful as he is. Um 
because what he’s doing following your lead. What was what was the question again? I’m sorry. Do you 
stream? Yes. Do you stream? Uh I do stream. Well, there’s a new bundle coming out, so break out 
the checkbook. Uh, ESPN, I’m watching closely. And yeah, the whole ESPN Plus thing in the NFL. 
Who knows where that where that’s going to go. I I I don’t I don’t buy the like the NFL Sunday 
Ticket. I don’t I don’t do that because I’m I’m gone almost every other weekend at a Vikings 
game and so that means I’d miss out on the NFL Sunday Ticket every other weekend. So, uh, so 
I don’t I don’t buy that one. Okay. Well, you   can buy it’s Fox is teaming up with ESPN for a new 
streaming bundle. So, if you buy it, then you get everything that Fox has and everything that ESPN 
has. You know what that’s called? Covering the   WNBA with Ka Caitlyn Clark. Yeah. Yeah, I think 
so. You know, you know what that’s called? That’s called TV. I have it still. I have it. It’s It’s 
really easy. It used to be called cable where we used to have all of this. I’m not paying I’m not 
paying a lot. I I need to know what the rates are   going to be and what is available and uh yeah, I 
got to see that first before I’m going to jump in. $40 a month. You used to be able to get internet 
for less than that. Good luck. Um well, you and Matt can stream everything from here on out. Craig 
Maddock on tonight. Uh SDPB Sports, I know some in players are getting ready to go. Craig, we’ll 
talk to you soon. All right. I appreciate it,   Nate. See you around. Thanks a lot. Craig Madak on 
tonight. SDPB sports broadcaster from Sou Falls. He’s now a streamer. He’s a streamer. I’m going to 
start calling you guys streamers. I’m a streamer, too. Give me a break. But here’s what I’ve been 
arguing. You’re going to be doing all this ESPN Fox bundle and you have it on your TV. You had 
it. We had it, Jimmy. And then you let it go to the streamers and now they got you again. So 
now we got cable because we got to have certain   games. Now we got to go from app to app. So here 
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Hey, I’m excited for uh Thursday night. I’m going to be watching this one. Sou Falls Little League 
taking on Midatlantic Little League World Series. Mid-Atlantic regions, Pennsylvania, Maryland, 
and the team they’re going to face just outside of Philly. They got the Pennsylvania team in 
Williamsport. That might be tough. Might be tough. head coach at Sou Falls Little League. He’s been 
on this journey since Indiana. They went out to Williamsport. They’re there ready for the opening 
game coming up. Ryan Vuska back on the Nate Brown Show. Coach, it’s good to get you on. How are 
you? Oh, I’d be lying if I didn’t tell you I was a little bit stressed. Um, but uh overall we’re 
in a good spot. Okay, that’s good to hear. You you It’s exciting, but that’s interesting. Stressed. 
You got you’re trying to get things handled. Uh there’s all sorts of stuff. I will say this, these 
teams that have done this, you guys have it seems like Fast and Furious. You you go to Indiana, you 
play, you you stay there a long time, you get on, you head out to Williamsport, you’re there a long 
time. What What is the stress part of this? How do you guys h how have you been handling it? Well, 
I mean, we got here late Saturday at about 7 and basically ate supper and went to bed and then the 
next day we got up and it’s been go go go go go um with the the ESPN side of things with getting them 
all the new swag that they’ve got with credentials um different different stuff and practices as 
you can understand with with 20 with 20 teams here. It’s It’s been kind of difficult to schedule 
as well and accommodating to every team here. So,   there’s just a lot of moving parts when you 
get here that you um I mean, you can ask the guys that have been here before, but until you’re 
here, you don’t quite understand the significance   of everything that’s around. At the end of the 
day, as a coach, you want your kids to enjoy the experience while you’re here, too. And and 
give them time to build relationships and make new friends with all the other countries and and 
uh different teams on the the US side. So, it’s it’s just a lot to to absorb in a well a three-day 
span that we’ve been here. Yeah. Um Ryan Vuska is on tonight. He’s the head coach for the Sou Falls 
Little Leaguers. They made the Little League World   Series now. back-to back years for Sou Falls. 
Um, are you soaking it up, coach? Tell me what the atmosphere is like. You you talked about the 
teams and all the requirements and the production side and and the stuff. What’s Williamsport in 
this scene like? It It’s unbelievable. Um the the boys actually had an opportunity to practice 
on the main field yesterday for 45 minutes and it was a surreal moment for me walking out onto 
the steps and I’ve seen it from afar on TV, but being the coach that gets to walk out and 
guide these 12 boys uh on Thursday at 7:00 p.m. It was it was quite breathtaking for me. Um but it’s 
it’s been a great experience. We actually have a um they call them uncles around here that kind of 
guide us around the property and make sure that   we’re we’re actually up in the morning that we’re 
getting breakfast that we’re getting to practice on time and all the the stuff like we just went 
through. There was thousands upon thousands of people in the town of Williamsport. We just did a 
parade and it was one of the coolest things I’ve   experienced and I know the boys were you like why 
do we have to do this before we got there and as we left they’re like that’s one of the coolest 
things ever. These guys are here for us. Um, so the experience that Little League puts on for 
these boys is second to none. That sounds great. I’ve heard about Williamsport. I’ve heard 
about the fanfare and all that stuff. Um,   it feels like the whole community, the whole town 
must get behind this thing. Um, now for you on the baseball side, has it been a little bit hard 
trying to dial it in on the baseball side? You still have a couple of days, but what are you 
focusing on on the baseball side for Thursday? Now, one of our uncles actually told me yesterday, 
um, it was it was really weird, another grown man telling me that he was proud of me. Um, because 
we’re we’re we’re really us in Japan are the only teams practicing as much as we are. Um, he’s like, 
I’ve never seen a team practice three times a day. So, the first couple of days, that’s what we did. 
We we especially yesterday when we we practiced on the main field. We got 45 minutes there. Then 
we went to a cage and then we actually had a a practice off field because they don’t let you hit 
on the field here or inside the facility. Um so they practice you outside of the facility. But the 
focus for us is is really been the the small ball side of things. Um moving runners over whe they’re 
on second and first and doing it the right way. Um because I I feel like these games are going to be 
extremely competitive. So it’s it’s not going to   be that 7 to one like we might have experienced 
down in Indie. It’s going to be more like a 3 to2 or a four to or one zero. Um so we’ve really 
stressed to the boys to play small ball, put the ball in play to the right side, uh move runners 
over, lift the ball in the right right counts. Um just so that they understand the significance 
of every run is is going to come at a premium. Is it hard for these uh 12y olds to think about 
that stage? They’re going to be on ESPN. Um yeah, I mean, we weren’t on that stage, coach, back in 
the day. So, it’s like, how do you deal with that mentally? These are kids. Uh how do you try 
and keep them focused on the real thing here? The thing you know, that is that is one of the 
difficult things. I’ve we haven’t had that that talk, I guess, if you want to call it that. I I 
think these guys know being the team we play is   from Pennsylvania. They’re they’re expecting 
anywhere from 25 to 30,000 fans for our game. And I’ve said it to them before and I’m going to 
say it again that this is probably going to be   the biggest crowd that they they’ll play in front 
of through the probably through college if they, you know, move on to play college baseball because 
those types of things just don’t happen overnight.   Um, but the head coach, uh, Tim Corbin, actually 
came and spoke to us, coaches from Vanderbilt actually came and talked to us, coaches, and he 
had some kids come through his program, and they   don’t remember anything about what happened during 
the game. They remember everything that they did outside of the game. So, I’ I’ve kind of walked 
a fine line to to keep them focused on why we’re   here, but then also experiencing everything 
outside of of baseball, and I think I’ve done a pretty good job of that so far. Ryan Vuska is 
coaching the Sou Falls Little Leaguers. They’re   representing the Midwest. They’re taking on 
Mid-Atlantic. Um Thursday night, we’ll be watching Six Central. So that’ll be a six central start, 
Five Mountain um from Williamsport. Mid-Atlantic is this team just outside of Philly is what I’m 
seeing. Do we have any idea about them? Yeah, we’ve we’ve actually watched every game that 
they had in the regional. Um they have some good   arms at the top just like we do. Um it looks like 
their first five or six hitters are very similar to ours. Um so we we’ve done our homework as far 
as coaches go. Um and I think we got a good game plan to combat uh putting some runs on the board 
and and uh putting us in a good position to win the game. It’s wild, man. Sou Falls has been back 
to Little League World Series now backtoback years numerous times for the Sou Falls Little League 
charter. The head coach this year, Ryan Vuska,   getting set for Thursday night. Coach, we’ll be 
watching less stress. I hope everything gets taken care of behind the scenes and we look forward to 
Thursday night. Wish you the best of luck. Yeah,   we’re looking forward to to to getting out 
there and and showing the world what we’re made of. Thanks a lot. Appreciate you coming on. 
Ryan Vuska from Williamsport tonight. He’s got a lot going on. So, I appreciate him coming on 
Fox Sports Radio giving us a little preview.   It’s Mid-Atlantic against Midwest. It’s the 
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