Tony Ruggiero sits down with his long time student Robby Shelton as they talk their instruction journey from high school golfer to the PGA Tour.
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Offer includes price reduction below MSRP and purchase allowance not available with special financing lease and some other offers. Take retail delivery by 9:3019. See participating dealer for details. [Music] Hi, this is Tony Rogerro the due sweeper. You’re about to listen to an episode of the tour coach, which is going to give you an inside look at coaching golf at the very highest level from on the PGA Tour with my guys all the way to here at Mobile Alabama in the DWER Dome as we help folks of all skill levels, all walks of life learn to achieve their golfing goals. So, it’s New Year’s Eve, um, end of a decade. We got a new podcast coming out uh tomorrow and this is the intro for it. So, it’s uh it’s a cool one for me. It’s uh somebody that I’ve taught for 10 years, spent 10 years watching him grow from 14 years old um all the way to a PGA Tour star uh rookie. Uh Robbie Shelton, who would uh as he would tell you, I guess he’s the longest tenur continuous douche sweeper uh student of mine and um it’s a cool thing. when I started teaching under my mentors, Wayne Flint, Mark Wood, who you’ve heard on here, and Hank Johnson, uh, started teaching because obviously I love golf. Never thought I’d probably teach tour players, uh, but I love teaching junior golf, and I still remember, um, the time when I got the call to, uh, uh, give a lesson to Robbie Shelton, his I think his mom or his dad called. And anyways, we met over at a golf course uh the eastern shore of uh outside of Mobile Rock Creek. Uh remember my assistant at the time, Drew Armacost and I were together and we taught for the day and then Robbie I think was the last one of the day and he’d already had some national notoriety as a 14-year-old. He beat Jordan Speath and the uh US junior up in Michigan and I remember seeing little bits of that. that I was up there with guy I taught Bobby Wyatt and uh who they became teammates at Alabama and um anyways I just remember watching him and I remember seeing sitting down and showing him I guess for the first time him what he looked like at impact and I remember Drew and I looking at his irons while we were teaching him and you pull the iron out or the wedge out and the impact was like a little dime I mean only spot that was like he hit it perfect every time I remember thinking wow how good how good Robbie was and So, um, it’s been a cool journey, 10 years with one student. You know, he was the best in high school and in college at sticking with whatever it is he was working on. Um, he’s a grinder. He works his ass off. Uh, but it but over 10 years, you watch a person go from 14 to 24, you see them grow in life and is a person. And it’s been a honor and a pleasure to watch Robbie go from the quiet 14-year-old all the way to what he is now as a rookie on the PGA Tour. And uh and as much as I love watching him hit golf balls and walking nine holes with him at a tour event, I I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to continue to know him and and to spend time eating dinners with him and uh teach him a little bit about rum or a little bit about red wine. I think you’re going to enjoy this. And if there’s one thing I would say or the one thing I’m most proud of is there’s, you know, lots of fs of us get to teach tour players and it’s a challenge to teach somebody from junior golf or high school all the way to the PGA Tour. And uh if there’s one thing I’m most proud of is it would be that uh I didn’t mess Robbie Shelton up. I think Robbie Shelton would have got to the PGA Tour regardless of who had the good fortune and the opportunity to watch him and spend time with him. But, uh, there’s also tons of people out there that get their hands on young folks and they make a bunch of changes and they they mess folks up. And thankfully, I had enough wise people around me and enough good sense to stay out of the way of Robbie Shelton for most out of his way for most of the past 10 years and maybe be a little bit of a rudder and a guide and help him develop his golf swing and his game. And, uh, it’s going to be fun to continue to watch and continue to be part of. And uh I have no doubt that you’re going to enjoy watching Robbie Shelton play golf. And I have no doubt you’ll enjoy this sitdown with Robbie Shelton here on the tour coach. Sitting in here at the new crib on St. Simon’s Island. We got Jackson Court with me. Say hi, Jackson. Hello. What’s your last name? Court. Court. Okay. Y’all are close. Just curious. And Robbie Shelton. Um this is actually the second version of this. We Somebody forgot to hit record last night doing this. So, uh, we’re going to go ahead and do it again. These are the secret tapes. These are the secret tapes. So, I’m double recording. So, obviously, you’re the longest tenure due sweeper. Started with you 14 years old, we said. Yep. Freshman year. Um, watched you go through high school. Jackson later is going to post when this airs, you’re going to post a video from YouTube of him in high school. Yep. Right. And um just watch Anyways, watched you grow up. Great player at Alabama, freshman of the year, all that stuff. Come out. You leave after your junior year, right? Yep. Right after your junior year. June of 2016. June of 2016. And everybody says, “Hey, like fast track the tour. You played your exemptions, you got your exemptions, you did all that. You played you played fine. I mean, went to the and then you then took a year, went to Canada. Mhm. Then went to the web. Two years on the web. Last year on the web, I mean, you kicked ass. You won. We’ll get into the sabbatical later, but let’s talk a little bit about what was the difference. So like going from college to the to the web, it’s now the corn ferry or from college to can Canada Mhm. to the web to the tour. What’s what have you learned each step of the way? And also talk about some of the people that you’ve played with or that you’ve met along the way that have helped you learn stuff and that you’ve learned stuff from. Um yeah, just coming out of college, I mean it’s been it’s been a journey the whole way. Um, you everybody expects to come out and just go straight to PJ tour, but um, you know, my path was a little different for sure. Um, you know, I got four starts coming out of college and it’s kind of hard to keep your card after four with only four starts. So, uh, you know, I played decent, made a couple cuts and, um, didn’t do anything special. And then, um, had to go to Q school on the web or cornfairy and, uh, you know, missed it second stage, made it through first, missed it second, and, um, you know, didn’t, you know, was kind of down after that. I, you know, I knew for sure there were different ways to get there. So, I remember when you texted me, this is going to be tell I was getting out of the shower and you were but like I remember you were in Arizona. Mhm. And I remember but you were like I knew you were down. One of the few times in the whole time I’ve taught you I knew you were down. Yeah, for sure. But you were like but I but we texted and I was like, you know, you’re going to get there and but I could tell you had you were resolved to get there. Yeah. And I knew you were down, but I also knew that wasn’t going to determine you, you know. I mean, it was interesting. I remember that clear as could be that you Yeah. I mean, I knew there were there were different ways to get to the tour. And um my journey was going to be a little longer. Um so I went up to Mackenzie Tour and you know, went up there and uh played really well. Played What did it teach you up there? played nine events and I think I had six top 10s out of nine events and uh you know just taught me you know I just I don’t know just to beat people just uh you know same thing as college is to go out and beat people um that’s what coach always told me too as well just you know just go carry your bag go beat people that’s the key and um just beat people at every level um and that was you know once I beat people on the the Mackenzie tour Um, you know, it took me to the to the corn ferry and uh, you know, same thing. I had conditional there. Played well. Not well enough to get my PJ tour card, but um, didn’t play bad though. Didn’t play bad. No, I had conditional, so you know, I kept my card, which was nice. And I was in a good spot. Um, and then once I got full status, it kind of calmed me down a little bit. and uh I knew I could pick my schedule and you know just uh stuck to my routine and stuck to my you know things that I knew that I could do do well and ended up winning twice last year and you know it’s been it’s been awesome since. Was there a difference between beating people in college and Canadian and then Canadian web and or cornfairy and not really I mean there were just learning it. Yeah, just learning, you know, I won a few times in college, but you got to once you turn pro, it’s a different it’s a little different. Um, why is that? You know, just the the depth of the fields are a little little a lot deeper. Um, everybody’s out there, you know, they got and as you go up like like But I was shocked when you were in Canada. I had never paid a ton of attention to be fair. But then, so you’re you’re on the Mackenzie tour and I started looking through the list of names. I’m like, “Well, hell, I know 80% of these people like were great college players that I remember from from, you know, from the people that I taught along the way. You and Bobby, different people and whatever.” But like, I mean, that that that tour was pretty deep. Yeah. I mean, especially that year, there were so many great players. Um, just to, you know, try to finish top 10 on that tour was was an accomplishment. And finished second got me on the grand fairy. And um you know it’s just another step. It’s just you know ever since college it’s just a process. It’s just you know you got to keep climbing the ladder. And um I think once I’ve done that and proved to myself that I could do it um it finally got me to the PJ tour and got me in a place where you know I know I can make it. Um it was just a different journey for me and different you know coming straight out of college. It’s just I wasn’t able to skip those steps. I needed to go through the, you know, just go through those tours and just learn more. [Music] Like, no, high school players don’t come, you know, like Major League Baseball drafts, pitchers or baseball players out of high school or college, and they don’t put them in the major leagues first, you know, first week or first month or whatever. They go to double A then AAA and they come up and yet we expect every person that’s good in college that’s a great player in college to instantly go to the PGA tour and yeah everybody wants right but it’s like but like but that’s just not how it happens and I think people it’s like I listen to parents and I listen to people and you listen you listen to people talk it’s like there’s nothing wrong with it taking a couple I mean, in the old days, I’m 48. Like, everybody used to say like nobody expected young people to come out and win. They always would say, “Oh, it’s going to take them a while.” Now, it seems like everybody expects everybody to win when they come right out. And I mean, I think that’s just natural. I think that’s part of the process. Golf Channel calls me. He’s like, “Hey, what have you been working on, Robbie?” I said, “I don’t know.” Cuz we went to Key West January. It’s where we kicked the year off. Although now the tours kind of messed up the schedule for be completely fair. I mean, tours kind of hurt us a little bit. A little bit. Sony’s in the way. Yeah. Sony’s in the way. And I I’d like to actually start a petition if they’re listening to this podcast to maybe move it two days back. Yeah. It’s all we need. That’s all we need. Right. Because traditionally Robbie and I start the year off at Key West and we went and we played nine holes. It was it was fairly competitive to be fair. I got three shots. Um still remember how I kind of six and seven I played really good and uh not to digress but you on the ninth hole. So when the golf channel called me, you hauled out from about 140 yards from a bag of 138 140. Yeah, it was to beat me. We were tied with my strokes. Oh, you had a putt and a tie. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean I I couldn’t top I mean you hold out I mean to be honest I thought I wanted to make I was going to make it. I didn’t want to take it from you that way with a way. But anyways, you hold out on the ninth hole at Key West Golf Club where I’m now a member and we’ll probably play the member guest. Um, but I felt like that’s kind of what started your year off. But well, we joke, but like so we work down there and then traditionally we kick the year off going to South Florida. We work down in the last 3 four years we’ve gone down to Jupiter and hung out Lucas and the guys and Wilson and everybody. We go down there and practice and play and we got a lot of work done and then you went off and you just played golf. Yeah. I mean I had a full schedule this year and uh and you played a ton of golf but like we didn’t really work I didn’t really see you to watch you hit balls where like I said anything of any consequence other than like hey you want to go grab dinner. Yeah. Until Vegas on the PGA tour. Yeah. And there I told you get your feet wider cuz Right. But like lots of people are like, “Oh man, I mean like what’s going on? You hadn’t watched.” I’m like, “Dude, you’re playing good golf.” And we joked last night. I said like I called it a sbatical. You’re like, “I was winning, right?” But but like but people worry about that. Like and there’s people that are need. But like I think that’s a great lesson. Like if you’re playing good golf and you like So Golf Channel says to me like what what are you talking about Robbie? And I’m like you just shot 63. What the hell am I going to tell you? or two 62. Sorry, I didn’t mean to short change this shot. Um, just point them to the bank. Yeah. But yeah, but you know what I’m saying though? Like, but like we’re talking about like people want to know about instruction and stuff, that’s why they listen to this cuz have a colorful figure. But like you said, once you get on something and you stick to it for, you know, couple months and which is what you’ve always said about Robbie. Yeah. Right. like in college you said like the best thing about him is you have a lesson you have one or two things that you work on. He’s the very best a month or two months and he’s still working from high school. His first lesson in high school when I saw him. It was at Rock Creek. That’s where dad your dad brought you over to filmed him and I showed him where he was at impact which you can’t see this. Hello in there. Right. You can’t see this but he was shaft leaning backwards. wasn’t very good at impact, but you still hit the center of the face every time. And I remember rolling, I don’t even remember who it was, but I put a side by side up. It was Bobby, Bobby White, ran him to impact. He was a couple years older. And I said, “Look at the difference at impact.” And so we did a bunch of work of like hitting small shots. This is where you want the shaft at impact versus where you are and how you turn to get there. And from that point on though to all the way to now, the very best quality about you from a teacher from my point and there’s nobody I’ve ever seen that’s better at it is that if we decide or you decide you’re working on one thing, you could leave you for 8 months and come back 8 months later and you’re still trying to do the exact same thing. And that’s such not only is it a great lesson for a tour player, but anybody that shoots 90 that takes a lesson Yeah. could learn from that because you don’t go to the golf course and change what you’re working on based on Yeah. what you did that you know what you need to do. When I go to the course it’s it’s usually one maybe two things I’m working on and it’s it stays that way for you know it takes a while to change something. So um it stays that way for you know a month or two at least. um you know just grinding on that one thing and once you get that right you can go to the next step. Um it’s kind of a you know just a building block with your swing. Um you work on one thing at a time and um it’s pretty much impossible to work on six things at once or think about six things when you’re standing around with the ball. you and you well you obviously on tour you see it like and you know we all know people but there’s so many people that work on something for a week or two and they don’t strike it, they don’t cure it, they don’t make a cut, they don’t win, whatever it is, and they think they’re on the wrong thing and they assume that it’s the wrong thing. And I think that’s like the opposite of how it is sometimes. I’ve always said we always think we always assume as humans that if we’re trying to do it, we think we’re doing it exactly right and if it doesn’t work out, we’re going to be doing the wrong thing. But in reality, sometimes we think we’re doing something or we’re just not doing it as good as we need to or as much as we need to. And I think that discipline that you have and the ability to work on that and the and I would use the word conviction like when you’re when you’ve decided you’re going to do something. I mean you just decide you do it. Mhm. And I think that’s why in the long run I think you’ve gotten better every step of the way and I think getting better every step of the way is also something that it’s one thing to be a great college player and come out and be a great pro, but your entire game’s gotten better every step of the way. Mhm. I agree. I mean, my my whole game all around, you know, I hit I hit more fairways now. I hit more greens and u hit it longer. I hit it longer for sure. Um but yeah, like you said, I mean, it’s just gradually getting better and better and um that’s the only thing you can hope for. And so, we’re going to talk. So, as you transition from college to pro, you know, you add pieces to the puzzle. So, you’ve added people to your team and so we’ll start with talk a little bit because I found this fascinating this week. We’re at RSM. We’re at the new condo here on Wimbledon. New grill tonight. Big purchase. Still think you should have got the Trager Jackson. Um, so you and Hunter Hunter’s been working with you on wedge work. Mhm. He’s you’ve guys done some stuff to control. talk about controlling distances and the importance of that cuz whether it’s a guy aspiring to be a tour player, a guy that’s the average golfer, it’s not something they pay enough attention to. And talk a little bit about why you think what why you decided to make it such a focus. Yeah, just being, you know, I had Hunter Stewart to my team. He’s helping me with wedge work and stats on the course and just course management all around. and um he you know he came down to Birmingham and helped me out with the track man and just dialing in numbers with each club and um just getting my wedges more dialed in. I have three or four shots with each club and I think it’s just, you know, I’m more, I don’t know, dedicated to, you know, to having those those numbers ingrained in my mind. And, um, I used to not have that. Even in college, I’d work on my wedges, but it was just sloppy. And, um, it’s a lot more structured now. What was sloppy? What would you consider sloppy? and I just go out there and I’d work on different shots, but I never wrote them down or just had had that number, that 67 yard, 730 waist to waste number. Um, I didn’t have that. Um, now it’s, you know, I’ve got it set. I’ve got waste to waist shot, shorter shoulder shots, uh, full back foot draws, 730 choke up to the shaft. Um, what’s a 730 choke up at the shaft? you chug all over the shaft with a 60°ree and swing it to 7:30. Um it’s a little bit of a clock system and um but for me it’s I call it waste to waist, shorter, shorter um and full but it’s just different shots and different tools in my tool belt. Um just trying to you know create more shots and not let it not be a guessing game out there on the course. Um, just having, you know, having those shots and and being dialed in. When Brad says, my caddy, he says 90 yards. Um, it’s into the win 90 yards. I hit, you know, the shorter shoulder 55°, you know. Yeah, I know. It’s just ingrained and it’s not it’s not a guessing game and it’s a lot easier, a lot easier for me just to, you know, process that information. Jackson, that was great. die. I mean, I think it’s awesome to hear how like you use the word dialed in, but like I think how specific it is with and having a system that applies yardages to using yardages to using mudges for every situation that he’s going to come across on the golf course. Yeah. I mean, there’s so many different shots on the course that um you have to experience and you know, into the wind off the left is just, you know, a harder shot for me, I guess. And, you know, you have to have that 50°, you know, the little punch waste to waste to skip it back there to a back pin or something. There’s always that, you know, that difficult shot that you need and you don’t want to be under pressure and have to hit that when you’re guessing. Um, that’s just, you know, in the back of my mind. It’s nice to, you know, have that ease, I guess. What’s the next thing that you have to sharpen in your toolbox? Right? Because like as far as your game, you’re complete from te to green. Well, you’ve had three top 10s. What’s it going to take? What do you have to What What’s the next little improvement? Yeah. Just uh I don’t know. Just being a little more a little more Yeah, just being more dedicated to my my process and being more specific about my week in and week out routine. Um, you know, I get a little away from my routine. If, you know, won’t do the same thing on the putting green or won’t chip as much or something, I need to set more of a routine for me and stick to it. Um, something that changes a lot week to week and it needs to not to be the teacher here, but I’m going to teach for a second. But one thing I think that you and everybody could do better is I think you could pay a hair more attention to setup fundamentals. Mhm. Ball position, shoulder, hip, forearm alignments at a dress. Those things I think mean Yeah. not getting on your ass. You know what I’m saying? Like I said it on the range today, but I think that those things like because like a player always like, “Wow I played good last week.” Why does it feel different this week, right? Well, it feels different cuz the ball’s not Well, one, you’re in a different part of the world. You’ve traveled, you’ve flown, you’ve stayed in my travel is a big part of I think just riding a car for a few hours or flying or just whatever, you know, tweaks your body a little bit. Sleeping the wrong way tweaks your body. Staying in my estate. Yeah. standing in this place. I mean, palatial, you know, it’s tough, but but I think that being committed to to those setup fundamentals, and there’s people out there, you know, that put out there like that setup doesn’t matter where your aim doesn’t matter. But I think I think that being consistently aimed the same way, whether whatever it is you do, and postured the same way is important. And I think that if you’re not, then the club’s going to feel different going back. club’s gonna get in a different position going back. Um, and I and I think but I but I think that’s a good lesson. I mean I that would be something like if you said to me like hey what do what do you need to do better coming out in January is like think January you ought to be more diligent with your setup work when you practice. You do so awesome with like your fitness stuff and we’re going to talk about that in a minute and your wedge work. I think if you were just as diligent with your setup as you are with that, I’m actually teaching here on the podcast, but like I I think that like you’d have the same like I think that stuff’s just as important as the stuff you do with Thomas, you know, and with the wedges and stuff and everything. I And Hunter, I really do. Do you disagree with that, Jackson? No, I agree completely. Like you talked about it yesterday or the day before like the wind on this range is always straight in. I could not practice on that range and teach on that range or I’d have everybody shoot a thousand on both and it blows wind on both those golf courses. So like ball positions creep back. I’d like to teach the astronome, right? Like people start to get the ball back and they lean forward and they start to hit stuff kind of trappy. Mhm. Gets narrow, right? Like you just have tendencies in that in those situations. So I think but for a good player, it does the same thing to everybody. That’s right. And I think like having that base set up like you’re talking about and it might even be important to just go to the range and hit 20 balls afterwards and just get back to basics. Doesn’t matter what you hit or what it does in there. You just get right back to it. Find the center of the face with that setup and leave. I think there’s a reason that every teacher and every player likes that the second event of the year is Palm Springs cuz it’s basically a plane in a dome. Yep. Right. No wind, perfect turf, everything’s flat like you know. And so I think but I think that that’s why everybody likes it because like you can get everybody’s fundamentals set to start the year. I mean that’s why it’s like you know it’s always the first one I go to. I’m taking you this year Jackson. You just found that out yesterday. We’re going to stay at the Lintita. I like that place. Gets a fireplace in the room. Love walking around in the robe with fire. Okay. Yeah. That’d be nice to see him in a room. But uh the first time but uh anyways I think uh but so anyways I didn’t mean to get off on a tangent and teach here but I think that like so if you said to me what would be our what would be a challenge and our goal for first part of 2020 would be to be more committed to that. Um Jackson’s taking a selfie here. I don’t know why but he’s taking a selfie. tend to do that. This this episode of the podcast is brought to you by Floridaana Rum. Um, [Music] when you ventured out to play professional golf, did you say, “Hey, I’m going to go ahead and add people to my team or have a team,” or was it just something that just happened? Honestly, just happened. I uh I moved to Birmingham after going to Alabama and uh you know I knew I needed a trainer, needed a fitness guy in Birmingham and I reached out to a couple people and you know found someone that really clicked with what I do and what Tony teaches and um I’m right here. You don’t have to call Yeah. Thomas I mean Thomas Twitty uh it’s it’s incredible what he does and what uh what he does to my body and my weaknesses every week in and week out and that helps me you know try to feel the same every week I guess um if possible but um you know didn’t try to expand my team but it it just kind of happened with him and Hunter and um I think it’s good though you know guys that I wanted to be around and wanted to surround myself with. But yeah, Thomas on the fitness side, I talk about that cuz it’s been a big deal for you. Yeah, for sure. I think you’ve always of all the people one of of all the people I’ve talked um I think Lucas is huge in the fitness side and like Kobe’s helped him a ton, but like you’ve really enjoyed even in high school or college, you enjoyed the workout stuff. Yeah, I mean I think everybody’s different and every every swing is different. Um, you can, some people don’t want it or don’t need it, but you know, I like to be I like to be a little sore the day I play. Um, that’s different for a lot of people, but you know, it’s it’s something that makes me feel feel what I’m doing. Um, and talk about that. Why do you like to be sore? That’s something that folks like to I just like to be sore. I can feel how far I move, how what’s going on in my golf swing. The sensitivity side is way higher. Um just a little sore. Just a little sore. You don’t want to be where you can’t walk. You can’t walk. Yeah. But if you’re a little sore, your your sensitivity is just so much higher. You know what part of your body is moving. You know your core is activated. You know your you know your shoulders are turning whatever. Um, that’s something that’s helped me. And, um, you know, that’s what I’ve learned, uh, with Thomas is just, you know, trying to get that better and get my stability better, mobility better. Um, my body has never been, you know, my rotation, my pivot is is good, but it can always get better. And, um, that’s something I’m trying to improve week in and week out. and even when I’m home in Birmingham, I try to go see him and um you know, get the best out of week in and week out of of what he he has to offer. Well, and I think it’s important that like you have a you have a fitness and Thomas that the stuff he tells you is the same basic fundamentals you’ve tried to build in your golf swing. Yeah. In your career. because we’ve all been around. I mean, there’s people I’ve seen where like they go to they go to fitness people and it doesn’t it doesn’t mesh with what they’re doing in their golf swing or they’re teaching in the in their instruction program and it’s a problem. Um, but I want to fast forward to something really entertaining, which is like, so it’s coming up on the off season. This is the most golf you’ve ever played in your entire life. Last 18 to 20 months. Yeah. 100%. played 30 events in a year. This is the first time. Yeah. And it’ll probably be the last time you ever played 30 events in a year. Yeah. I don’t Everybody thinks professional golf is glamorous. I’ve been to 28 events this year. It’s fantastic. Um, talk about talk about I mean like looking forward to offseason. You got to be looking forward I mean you’re going to get five weeks off. You got to be looking forward to it. Yeah, I am. Uh we know where you’re going to go. Yeah. You know, I’m gonna go hide in the woods for you, a couple a couple weeks. Uh we won’t get out the bow and uh you know, just try to try to get after some whitetail. Um I just enjoy that. I love getting away from golf and uh you know, kind of resetting my my just my whole system, I guess. Just resetting it. And um you know once I’m away for a couple weeks and you know it makes me want to get back and want to practice and want to grind again uh have something to work on and um you know it’s just it’s it’s going to be nice. These next two weeks will be off but after that it’ll be back to the grind before before Sony in January. Um and it’ll be a little different this year you know going to the going to the PJ tour and not having uh you know full status I guess. Um, I’m going to have to be a little more dedicated and not spend You’re in good shape after this fall. Every day in the woods. So, you’re in good shape after this fall now. Yeah, for sure. 100%. Um, that’s just a different schedule. I don’t think people understand that like you get in a habit. Like college golf is obviously more golf than high school golf and junior golf, but like that step and I told Andy Ogleree this, you know, we like I was like, you’re getting ready to play the most golf in a stretch once you turn pro that you’ve ever played in your entire life. You’re going to play a spring schedule, which as you remember from being your last year in college is super super important. And then he’s going to have US Open Turnp Pro and all these starts like Mhm. He’ll hate golf at the end of the year, right? I mean, like because you play so much and I mean I just think it’s healthy. I always thought one of the things cool about you other than the fact that like during those two month stretch you don’t return calls when you disappear like in the woods cuz I’m not a hunter. So I started hanging out with with you know I didn’t realize that like it’s a thing like but like you really disappear. Yeah. Oh yeah. you get places where there’s no service and um I’ll get a text. Sorry, been in the woods, right? Yeah. It’s not our fault. It’s just uh I don’t know. You just need that time off, I guess. And that’s where I go back to reset. You’re looking forward to it. Mhm. I am for sure. Jackson, some stuff to add. That’s great. I think it’s good. Like you’ve talked about it before about having a balance. Like there’s a bunch of people now that come out and it’s just golf, golf golf, golf golf. And like kids don’t play multiple sports or they don’t have stuff outside of golf to kind of get them to refresh or hit the reset button. I think and I think like doing stuff like that, like being alone, I know that’s weird, but like being alone and being on your own is very good. Yeah. I mean, all the things I do, golf, you got to be quiet. Hunting you got to be quiet. fishing, you got to be quiet. You’re not talking to anybody. And um the whole time you’re just thinking and just, you know, how hard was it to travel and like playing golf where you’re the dealing with being in a hotel all the time by yourself and stuff? Cuz that’s different cuz I know there’s been people that we know that have like quit playing professional golf cuz they didn’t like it basically. I mean, it’s when you’re on the road 30 weeks, um it’s, you know, sometimes it can get lonely unless you bring bring someone along, but um it can get lonely for sure. Uh lonely and just you’re you live out of a suitcase week in and week out. And those those weeks you do have home, you you don’t take for granted. You uh you know, you love being home and love being with your family. But um yeah, I mean, some people aren’t fit for it. And um you know, you just have to be kind of a you know, a different bird, I guess. Yeah. Like I get it’s weird. I always like this time of year. So, this is the last event of the year for whether you teach, play, whatever. And I’m so ready to be home. And so Ivonne always is like, you know, I’m like I’m always talking about like I text her night. I’m just ready to be home. She says the same thing. She’s like, “But by like the middle of December, oh, I’ll be itching ready to go back. I’m like, I’m so ready to go to South Florida with the group and then I’m so ready for Palm Springs.” It’s weird though, like at this time of year, all of us are like, I don’t want to go on the road anymore. I’m ready for But isn’t it funny though how we are? Yeah. Just human nature. And you know, two weeks I think is all you need is a, you know, teacher or a human or whatever player. Two weeks you can reset and really Uh, you know, get you. Yeah, this is good. It helps. Anything else you want to ask Mr. Sheldon here? This was good. I think this was as good as the first version that I forgot to hit record on. So, people listening, this one might not be recorded either. We’re just we’re just winging it. We’ll see you tomorrow. Yeah, but 3.0 tomorrow night. Coming at you. But it’s been cool like for me. And I’m going to close this out by saying like I teaching tour players is fun watching somebody go from being 14 to playing the PGA Tour is the coolest thing I’ve ever gotten to do in my entire life. It’s the coolest thing. And watching him go from I mean you were kind of goofy to like you know I don’t mean goofy in a bad way. I mean right quiet right? But going to where you are now as a person, as an individual, like I mean, it’s a cool deal. It’s a cool thing to be part of. I mean, it really is. And I mean, you know this. I mean, you know, I’m incredibly proud of you. And I mean, it’s been an awes It’s been an awesome thing to watch. All right. Out. Hey, let’s cheers one last time. 2.0 is out. [Music] Thank you so much for listening to this episode of The Tour Coach with Tony Rouiro. 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